From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:27:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNRVQV007187 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNRO2U002490; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNLrdQ013094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNLrMY039387; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNLm3H039306 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231232143.LJCE4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:43 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231232142.ASG1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:42 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 12:21:47 +1300 Message-ID: <008901c60e60$f8987c70$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153013.73cjd3wknnvos00k@www.goldsword.com> Subject: multiple copies Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B713DC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I think you've nailed it spot on (as my overseas friends would say). > Every now and then you'll see a painter do more than one copy of a > given painting that's slightly different -- Artemesia Gentilishi's > "Judith with the head of Holofernes" comes to mind. You'll often see a > student copy a teacher -- I've seen them, but I can't call them to mind. Holbein's Jane Seymour for instance;) http://www.artcyclopedia.com/commons/hans-holbein-the-younger.html (Though there is a third somewhere.) Corneille de Lyon painted a few copies of a girl. I'll see if I can hunt them all down. http://www.clevelandart.org/oci/magnify/1942/1942.48.jpg http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/gggg2165b.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/refo/hod_29.100.197.htm (though there are some larger differences bwtween this and the other two.) The Cranach family painted Hercules at the Court of Ophale several times. I have a few copies linked online, but I have found more. http://www.artunframed.com/cranach2.htm http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=468 (will resize your window) http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/gabriuscran.htm A few on Gabrius. http://www.internationalauctioneers.com/int/lot_detail.asp?LotID=207&AucID=5885 Though this is an imitator. And let's not go near the multitudinous Salomes and Judiths which were excuses to paint pretty girls (from imagination I'm sure.) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNbY9g007305 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:37:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNbQ3M005052; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNb4Kf014554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNb2je046462; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNaxjY046441 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so1705889nzh for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=J5k7xlk4x0Gj2IiB/A0kugGZpjunUxTE59ZWrBUnVqAV4UnJMc5zQOVNz6BE0FJKrCqEalHl+I8vB4gs78TzHbCcUQ7/fBrLVZIpgo4pcH1nOqDlLgI3CY70ZYd/28G8cB3N94HaM7QYcQ2SFsL0Kp3enGSg1B0k2GIYe09fIwk= Received: by 10.36.221.56 with SMTP id t56mr9287504nzg; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [58.165.58.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 7sm3801581nzo.2005.12.31.15.36.57; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060101103139.0455ae18@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:36:56 +1100 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: multiple copies Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO At 10:21 AM 1/01/2006, you wrote: >Holbein's Jane Seymour for instance;) >http://www.artcyclopedia.com/commons/hans-holbein-the-younger.html >(Though there is a third somewhere.) I thought there was four? IIRC Janet Arnold in a Handbook of Costume has the different portraits side by side. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 20:53:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k011rrr2009062 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k011riAH006264; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k011r91B027802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k011r3ke005237; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k011qxwj005164 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m17.in-tch.com [216.166.191.17]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k011j1b01581 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B73628.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies? I'm not referring to the largely mythical we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset, though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same area on a woman less rounded and endowed. The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset. Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o) --Sue in foggy-drippy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time > periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments > than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce > "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a > cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). > Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather > large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real > life, but we're talking about the ideal. > > And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a > folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and > bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing > one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and > young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could > keep covered. > > And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, > ethnicities, yadda yadda. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 01:40:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k016eY6X011812 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:40:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k016eOWf007170; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k016dxmM054750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k016dt9U018140; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k016dpQV018026 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.109.43]) by tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060101063945.UUNX5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:39:45 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060101013330.00b63288@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:39:35 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Looking for a fabric store in MI X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B77959.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I was told there is an absolutely amazing fabric store in Bay City, Michigan. The friend who told me about it couldn't recall the store name. I was wondering if anyone on this board would be able to help me out? I'm not from Michigan, but have been considering a trip and would love to make a visit to "an amazing fabric store". Does this ring a bell for anyone and if you may know of the store could you also include an approximate location if you're able? There's such a wide expanse of knowledge on this list, I just thought it might be worth asking. Thanks so much! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 04:26:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k019Q38M021894 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:26:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k019Ps8b027371; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:25:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k019PPSl081837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k019PMjD080942; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k019PIKl080913 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0256C33A61 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:25:17 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:25:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 04:25:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B7A022.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is cone. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg my def. on MoaP this is not (though loud) MoaP http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/PSClaudeandPetronella/?action=v iew¤t=PC36.jpg It's when the bodice is cinched in such a way that the bosoms have no room but to pop out. http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=jmstrange&gallery_id=25 2009&image_id=11 Though these are wenches, I have seen women suppose to be nobility and looking like tarts. http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/CommercialShoot/?action=view&cu rrent=Commercial95.jpg This isn't as bad as I have seen in the past. Now I have no problem MoaPs except that it has become the belief that this was the norm for women of that century. This is not saying that the blooming bosom wasn't seen but it wasn't common. De -----Original Message----- > am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. Hi Becky, I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. Kelly/Estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 11:20:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01GKrNJ032338 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01GKict026629; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01GK8nh022136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01GK3PN040959; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn3.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01GJxnZ040875 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 798AF233FE; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:03 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Received: from [207.161.60.7] by mprdmailfe9.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:20:03 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 384cdcd8c61b9666eaf2b127c7b452e6 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060101162003.798AF233FE@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:20:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8015C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and
inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and
RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies?
I'm not referring to the largely mythical
we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st
century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have
us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed
to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid
having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset,
though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same
area on a woman less rounded and endowed.
The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was
the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from
a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset.
Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o)
--Sue in foggy-drippy Montana

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To: "Historical Costume"
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Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms


>
> > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan,
> > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are
> > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher
> > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than
> > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times.
>
> It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time
> periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments
> than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce
> "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a
> cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together).
> Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather
> large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real
> life, but we're talking about the ideal.
>
> And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a
> folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and
> bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing
> one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and
> young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could
> keep covered.
>
> And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions,
> ethnicities, yadda yadda.
>
> -Carol


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Status: RO Another thought also is, could the English women of the 16th century been more likely to be less endowed as a general trait? I wonder sometimes if this was the reason that the corset was an okay thing for the English, while other areas of the world at that time, like the Germans were developing a soft line that allowed the curved of the bust, and is easier for the more well endowed to wear. alex Wendy wrote: The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies? I'm not referring to the largely mythical we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset, though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same area on a woman less rounded and endowed. The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset. Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o) --Sue in foggy-drippy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time > periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments > than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce > "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a > cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). > Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather > large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real > life, but we're talking about the ideal. > > And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a > folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and > bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing > one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and > young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could > keep covered. > > And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, > ethnicities, yadda yadda. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. 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Status: RO > You get somebody who's well-endowed > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, >and I *can't* > avoid > having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. >In a corset, > though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when >compared to the > same > area on a woman less rounded and endowed. I can understand your point. We are a bit heavier in general, but I think it'd effect the cleavage line than anything. You are getting a shelf in you corset because it doesn't fit quite right, comercial pattern? Your modern bra is because of the same problem. Often times comercial pattern makers will scale up from the perfect sixe 12 manikin. Not many people are that perfect. Store bought bras are the same way. They don't actually make my size in bra...a 34DDD1/2, so I usually have the four boob effect, or the band moves around too much, or I alter. For your corset, try raising the front a bit. Make a mock up, too long in height from the armhole depth line up. Try it on, adjust where you want your breasts to sit, and then get someone else to mark your top of corset line. You should have a nice rounding, but no spillage/shelving. Hope that helps, and I'm not offending anyone. Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 14:17:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01JHjwS002528 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01JHbJV012733; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01JHAFN041390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01JH7G9017540; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01JH42w017472 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E3EBA540A4 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (pri-nat-163-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.109.163]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C7EA540A4 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060101162003.798AF233FE@mprdmxin.myway.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcYO71o0ojOzMdkPT++yxc7Biu6HGwAFySKw Message-Id: <20060101201434.73C7EA540A4@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B82AD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A few years ago I read a research study discussing the effects of diet on body shape, if I remember right it was about modern diet but touched on historic times (I might have that reversed) today's diet is much higher in fat (which we don't burn off) and women do in fact have proportionally larger breasts. I believe if you look at older standardized size charts that can be confirmed. Combine that with the numerous chemicals which we consume with estrogen-like properties and it really does seem like breasts are getting larger. Look at a bunch of 16 years old girls - twig thin and huge bustlines, my friends didn't look like that 25 years ago. One of the differences between the early American diet and the European diet was also the amount of fat (more meat being available to the average person in the U.S. in the 18th & 19th centuries). Supposedly the first generation of women raised here had larger breast than their mother's did, one generation is too fast for it to be genetic. I'll see if I can find the article so I've got citations. Beth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:20 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and
inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and
RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies?
I'm not referring to the largely mythical
we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st
century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have
us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed
to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid
having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset,
though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same
area on a woman less rounded and endowed.
The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was
the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from
a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset.
Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o)
--Sue in foggy-drippy Montana

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>
> > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan,
> > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are
> > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher
> > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than
> > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times.
>
> It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time
> periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments
> than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce
> "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a
> cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together).
> Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather
> large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real
> life, but we're talking about the ideal.
>
> And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a
> folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and
> bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing
> one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and
> young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could
> keep covered.
>
> And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions,
> ethnicities, yadda yadda.
>
> -Carol


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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 15:14:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KECbH003627 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KE397030261; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01KDcF2046790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KDXW6040846; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KDUow040831 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m1.in-tch.com [216.166.191.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k01K5Vb03238 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:05:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60f10$cb631700$01bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:20:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:14:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8380B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Uh, nope. Custom-made corset (by me, and it's fair to say that I know what I'm doing with 16th century costuming, at least for myself...got recognized for it mumblety-mumble years ago with an SCA peerage). It's more the effect that proper lift and support will have on a 56G chest. I do get minor spillage (*koff*) if the outfit I'm wearing isn't properly fitted, or if I've wiggled the corset too low, but the shelf's there, regardless. There's just too much to squish flat into the proper 16th century silhouette. Or 21st century, for that matter. I'm not quite this large (thank goodness!) at a lower weight, but structurally, the ratio remains the same. No offense taken, either, over your advice. Many of us appreciate hearing about different fitting techniques! ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > You get somebody who's well-endowed > > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, >and I *can't* > > avoid > > having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. >In a corset, > > though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when >compared to the > > same > > area on a woman less rounded and endowed. > > I can understand your point. We are a bit heavier in general, but I think > it'd effect the cleavage line than anything. > > You are getting a shelf in you corset because it doesn't fit quite right, > comercial pattern? Your modern bra is because of the same problem. Often > times comercial pattern makers will scale up from the perfect sixe 12 > manikin. Not many people are that perfect. Store bought bras are the same > way. They don't actually make my size in bra...a 34DDD1/2, so I usually > have the four boob effect, or the band moves around too much, or I alter. > > For your corset, try raising the front a bit. Make a mock up, too long in > height from the armhole depth line up. Try it on, adjust where you want > your breasts to sit, and then get someone else to mark your top of corset > line. You should have a nice rounding, but no spillage/shelving. > > Hope that helps, and I'm not offending anyone. > Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 15:14:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KEjDp003646 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KEbPh006031; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01KEOdC046862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KEOip041089; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KELnJ041035 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from niknjami@nouveauwest.com) Received: from c482216b (c-24-5-192-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[24.5.192.81]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060101201415014008jbnae>; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:14:15 +0000 From: "Nick &/or Jamie" To: Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200512310936.jBV9a9aR066313@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:14:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8382D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne: It could be exactly as you see it - Three buttons closing it at the top, and one or two closing it at the waist. Note that the entire body of the doublet is slashed into panes. You see this quite a lot in German woodcuts of the era, and not a few English portraits - Although in both cases this kind of closure tends to appear on leather jerkins. I've actually made a jerkin in this manner. It closes with a point at the waist, and two points at the top. Works quite well. The gaps between the panes open and close to show the doublet below. Of course it is possible that in the portrait in question the doublet is mimicking this style. Since the image is in black & white it's difficult to know what the full details are. Best Guess: Either exactly what you see, or hidden hooks and eyes. Would depend on the effect trying to be achieved. Nicholas Worthington -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >the top, where is the rest? >Is it laced at the back? > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a .htm > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 18:59:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01Nx2wG007704 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:59:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01Nws7X023934; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:58:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01NwVSd068028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01NwRHq027544; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav7.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01NwOY5027524 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:58:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 23:58:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:58:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2006 23:58:24.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[4037DC00:01C60F2F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] corset construction help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:58:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B86CBE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k01Nx2wG007704 Status: RO When constructing a corset, you really have to start with a good fitting basic block. This first step is crucial to obtaining a good fit in the final dress stage. Some commercial pattern companies still carry block, or slopers in their line. Build one in cotton muslin and get it fitted, by someone else. It is essential to have someone else take your measurments and do the fittings. No matter how much experience you have, or how much education or training you have, it is physically impossible to do accurate measurements on your own body. Once you have this block, you can then begin to develope your corset pattern to fit you. Norah Waugh's "Corsets and Crinolines" and Robert Doyle's "Waisted Efforts" have good methods for determining the pattern, but you can also use the diagram of a period corset as a guide, and remove darts to achieve the desired look. If you have a large bustline, it may be necessary to carve out an 'armhole' along the top edge, and raise that top edge over the center front/bust area. It really is that easy to prevent spilling over. A good shoulder strap, well placed will add to the support needed. Tabbed corsets are much more comfortable to wear over the waist and hipline. I am willing to help anyone with corset problems. I want to help stamp out any myths about uncomfortable corsets. Properly fitted and constructed corsets are comfortable. I teach historical tailoring and cutting for the modern body. Kelly Grant Dalhousie University Costume Studies dept. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 19:46:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k020ktgo008460 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:46:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k020klo3010327; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:46:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k020kRxT072305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k020kQ15046546; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k020kNJG046485 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010200461601300ca89de>; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:16 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:13 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:13 +0000 Message-Id: <010220060046.6457.43B877D5000D14AA0000193922007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:46:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B877F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would like to thank Joanne Jones for the lovely gifts that she sent me. She gifted me with a blackwork book, black silk thread to do blackwork with (wonderful thread, Joanne!), and a paternoster (it's even made up of the colors of my device). The gift I was supposed to send out before Christmas is delayed because I took a nasty fall - luckily my right hand and wrist is improving and I have been able to work diligently to finish the holiday exchange gift. It will be sent out this week. It'll end up as a 12th Night gift instead of a Christmas gift. ;-) Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 20:25:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k021PopR008723 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:25:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k021PfCN026182; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k021O5a4075743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k021NxiK062653; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k021NtBe062619 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m77.in-tch.com [216.166.191.77]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k021Fwb18993 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:15:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c60f3c$28eccda0$4dbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010220060046.6457.43B877D5000D14AA0000193922007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:30:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B88115.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hoo-rah, my Secret Santa package arrived this weekend! Debbie from West Yorkshire sent me a lovely package (twice...it's quite the story!) with several nice skeins of naturally-dyed silk and wool embroidery threads made by a lady in Wales, a small bag of dyed merino-cross wool for my spinning, a cute little book on York, and a frame-able scroll/poster on the highlights of the history of York. Very cool, since I'm big on embroidery (and like to experiment with natural dyes), AND York is one of my favorite places in Britain. Poor Debbie had to send the package twice, because the eejits at the Royal Mail somehow misunderstood the customs declaration label AND the address label for the U.S., and sent it *back* to her (at the return address). It must have had quite the trip, because I'd managed to goof up the address info when I sent it to Dawn, so it's more than a little bit of a miracle that it made it at all! I'm going to have lots of fun spinning my dyed merino fluff at the next SCA event I attend--I have a modern wheel that I use a lot at home, but use my little dropspindle at events. ;o) --Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:27:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025RQ1I013191 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:27:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025RHFj017027; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025QY4W004274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025QT1S068707; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025QS3f068690 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1930118wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=m/Dv+IeCk5eiJOI89+m/HvG8OCfTJbQVHFpPAzTGUWe6xsODG0mYnMQw7S0jfBrBtc7LnyA9gjil49sJ/WWU1VgRcrwv8hS7uZCweJeyUCV0avDFnqTlCYQx7KTF8AfZZo7FE33vxG+iECtQ/ZuGUDgksUm1yunZfv+kbAKsWAU= Received: by 10.54.114.4 with SMTP id m4mr31722wrc; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm12832796wrl.2006.01.01.21.26.27; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <019a01c60f5d$188bfb40$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com><20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> <001201c60dc7$09c81b80$8ebfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: Pattern for Eleanor Painting was Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen thispainting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:27:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8B9B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest > I've >> found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of > pattern >> I'd need to make it? >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg Try www.margospatterns.com or www.reconstructinghistory.com . They'll need a little bit of fiddling, but both should work fine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:30:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025UgrD013270 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025UYX8018391; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025UJW7004744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025UJpG070412; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025UHQh070394 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1930383wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=mXpsgsXE1J5sHsDb9FEdPDxWAyZrQF6iIcTov2SoPYlp+MYeIIsUtskTO9h1vuC4VrXjTeSUef0CSOO27+mNPCOXAVKcSHz43poC87LFv6qwEoUnnH6nRi9TcmfmVFbqHU1bCudujg4aVbCAD9BaZwjs6e0sqcDkrGnHmucSvRE= Received: by 10.54.114.7 with SMTP id m7mr32041wrc; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d74sm14082927wra.2006.01.01.21.30.15; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:30:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BA7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I found this image on IMDB: > > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) Frankly, I find the look very unflattering. Not alluring at all to see her breasts squished like that. Weird. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025glHt013472 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025gcKo023076; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025gIVk006363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025gG03075171; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025gF8k075161 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so99363wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=TWduqAJ03FzYaMRdjCCwETPrnkdhMODm2yVd7y69gmY72w2Jkqk2JvPLCDtSV+BER1e9HwOvTEjVanVgOFvJy22flAUnKmA8rpoBdnUIuj/0pxsA8stOzvXYeGh4vnTuXe9CJEfCj+n2MOdxF44nm3ef2lCWQNIVyLEOKOZDOOY= Received: by 10.54.89.2 with SMTP id m2mr36964wrb; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d6sm6977473wra.2006.01.01.21.42.14; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:42:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BD4E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > You get somebody who's well-endowed > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid > having a shelf. Maybe. But a shelf in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they overflow over the top of the bodice, or when the bodice is cut so low they actually fall out. Or when they push their breasts high enough that they end up higher than their armpits. I mean... with a correctly cut and sized corset, the most you'll get is a horizontal plane on top... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025kGMC013561 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025k8FJ024350; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025jtvP006751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025jtTP076555; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025jqLp076519 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1931917wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=SXXOO3XD/L31+klEnZS8/24psJI5AScjyyHbM+gpA5V9LMjvAaSksTb2URzlWItALjN5JOIrbqn/hwF7ZEQfDE5kjLo/8w+/uQ0NfiXa5sPJh9wFpJ7eUHrzfEixNXAqa0OM/NVqlPxEno+exdfAYO4YFD8IqHyg4rIqpvY1Iww= Received: by 10.54.76.4 with SMTP id y4mr41058wra; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d7sm6203727wra.2006.01.01.21.45.51; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:45:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BE20.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is > cone. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4 hips! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:04:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02643rF013924 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:04:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0263tL9031779; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:03:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0263ccG008489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0263ZXC083747; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0263VfM083689 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m72.in-tch.com [216.166.191.72]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k025tYb02850 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:55:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005101c60f63$379c31c0$48bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:10:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8C24B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That would be the Truly Bad Taste (tm) part . --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > You get somebody who's well-endowed > > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid > > having a shelf. > > Maybe. But a shelf in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they > overflow over the top of the bodice, or when the bodice is cut so low they > actually fall out. Or when they push their breasts high enough that they end > up higher than their armpits. I mean... with a correctly cut and sized > corset, the most you'll get is a horizontal plane on top... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:33:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026XDno014549 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:33:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026X4uF010880; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026WAh1011545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026W5YS096269; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026W1DF096233 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E78D836208 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:32:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:33:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8C920.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I still consider this conical. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary1.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth5.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/IsabelPortugal.jpg this almost can be tubilar http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBBodenham.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo.jpg -----Original Message----- Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4 hips! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:49:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026nM0E014881 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:49:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026nDMs017142; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026muhk013609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026msGf003360; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026mprC003344 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF6F83621E for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:48:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:49:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8CCE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You do have these http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg note she is a bit hunched over. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BassanoConcert1.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/MadonnadelleRose.jpg among the working class http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk8.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk9.html The thing is that these are all "Italian". There are a rare few Landsknecht. I have a hard time finding the sort of squeezed melons on a platter in other countries until the early to mid 1600s. I think that the reason that women from the RenFaires like to wear the MoaP is because 1. they are told the myth that that is how it was worn and 2. It makes them feel a bit sexy. A note on a previous post about modern women having bigger breast and heavier weight then they did back when. I don't think that the person who wrote the article you read had a look at late 1500s "Italian" paintings. IMO De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:54:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026s5NJ014950 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:54:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026rvbV018913; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026rgCb014152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026rgZW005135; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026rdC3005120 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C9BB3F0 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISG00GOMDTBYL@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:53:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:53:33 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] More info museum pictures In-reply-to: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43B8CDED.7000007@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8CE05.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks! That helped. Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Some more info on the pictures > http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Roger _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 02:45:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k027j6Gt026210 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:45:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k027ivXC006033; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k027iQxm022176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k027iNRD029699; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k027iI15029652 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c0.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.192]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4277D26285C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:44:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:44:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bossoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:45:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8D9F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Take a look at the movie : "Let them eat Cake" with French and Saunders. The big lady is laced in a beautifull 18th century corset, and it is so well done. I have always admired the costumer who made that. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 04:28:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k029S48p014674 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:28:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k029RtIx013316; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k029R9fm032795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k029R2FO070738; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k029QVkR070596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-40-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.40]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k029QTlG024097 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:26:30 +1100 Message-ID: <001b01c60f7e$9bb90e10$28daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:26:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:27:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8F21B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? >I still consider this conical. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary1.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth5.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/IsabelPortugal.jpg > this almost can be tubilar > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBBodenham.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo.jpg > I think the point Audrey is trying to make is that although the earlier tudor styles were not entirely cylindrical there was less emphasis on the small waist and large bosom that the later Elizabethan (or 18th Century) styles although much of the cone shaped appearance is an optical illusion caused by things like triangular stomachers and long points. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 09:04:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02E42ME020847 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:04:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02E3rQJ000719; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:03:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02E3Qw8064402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02E3JpN084386; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav4.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02E3E0n084323 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:03:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:03:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2006 14:03:13.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[453FFE00:01C60FA5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B932C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That and there is a huge difference in cut between the early elizabethan stays and the 18thC stays. Even the effigy stays are cut with only three pieces...the 18thC ones are cut in five or more. That seaming adds a lot to the position of the breast within the stays. Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? >> Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is >> cone. >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg > > Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really > empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late > examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size > 4 hips! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:26:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FQqXg022854 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:26:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FQh6K009723; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02FKS06084428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FKPZR024948; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FKMZ8024918 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02FCOb22633 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:12:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60fb1$02521680$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:27:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:26:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B94633.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That was my post, and I didn't read an article to come to that conclusion. In fact, it wasn't a conclusion, really, just a "toss it out there" idea, based on my own personal experience and observation. I'm aware of the paintings in which fleshier women appear (some of the Dutch ones in that same time period show the same sort of voluptuousness, too), but when you look at the nudes, it always seems to come down to an exaggeration of the sitter's hips/thighs. It's also an obsession that didn't show up everywhere, even in Europe, and certainly didn't maintain its presence in later centuries. I don't seem to recall something similar showing up at all until the lateish 19th century. I'm really trying to avoid starting some sort of hot-and-bothered, flaming thread here. It's not my business to be berating modern people for weight issues, and I wouldn't, anyways, having suffered from society's reaction to my own shape most of my life. So no value judgements. I was just wondering if the reason some of us see so many badly fitting bodices on women now is a combination of many of the women simply being larger, combined with some amount of bad taste, and a fair quantity of misinformation. I've done a lot of historical costuming over the last 2 decades (much of it for myself), and I know how many fittings of patterns and whatnot I've had to do to get the right look with my modern body. --Sue, in grey pre-dawn Montana, where it looks like our unseasonably warm weather has gone away again, alas! ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > The thing is that these are all "Italian". There are a rare few Landsknecht. > I have a hard time finding the sort of squeezed melons on a platter in other > countries until the early to mid 1600s. > I think that the reason that women from the RenFaires like to wear the MoaP > is because 1. they are told the myth that that is how it was worn and 2. It > makes them feel a bit sexy. > A note on a previous post about modern women having bigger breast and > heavier weight then they did back when. I don't think that the person who > wrote the article you read had a look at late 1500s "Italian" paintings. IMO > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:30:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FU785023642 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:30:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FTxo4011383; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:30:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02FTWCH086037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FTVPI029700; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FTP1F029645 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02FLSb23853 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:21:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:36:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:30:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B946F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't seen that movie! Is it an American production, or done by another country? (I'm asking because my local video stores tend to put American drama in a "drama" section, and non-American films in a "Foreign" section.) I'm in the mood for a few costume movies ...have "Restoration" on my list, since I haven't seen that in a while. And "Dangerous Liaisons." --Sue, in a mood to watch and sew ;-D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] bossoms > Take a look at the movie : "Let them eat Cake" with French and Saunders. The > big lady is laced in a beautifull 18th century corset, and it is so well > done. I have always admired the costumer who made that. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:56:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FubXH024640 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:56:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FuSaE024452; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02Fu87G091694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02Fu43S045030; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02Fu0k3044989 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=AcNUaeiGyQgX3QBgpdiBnKewRTEAUBKzq5+hL0xz0SFM2h/6jEgWIPrnoa7lQP0i; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.198] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EtS2Q-0004gl-Tc for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01c60fb5$052780d0$c6159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:55:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bb2fac561a2c28c27b2d0161184d659c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:56:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B94D2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Let Them Eat Cake" was a very short-run British comedy set at the cusp of the French Revolution, starring the comedy team of Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders (of Ab-Fab fame). It's out on DVD, but not in the US. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 11:14:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02GEhR2024970 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:14:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02GEZP0000629; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02GDvIU093296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02GDtpp055083; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02GDqAR055046 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02G5tb02420 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:05:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003f01c60fb8$7bffd240$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> <008c01c60fb5$052780d0$c6159b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:20:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:14:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9516B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bummer! *sigh* (sue scratches it off her list).... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms > "Let Them Eat Cake" was a very short-run British comedy set at the cusp of > the French Revolution, starring the comedy team of Dawn French and Jennifer > Saunders (of Ab-Fab fame). It's out on DVD, but not in the US. > -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 13:13:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02ID08I029854 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:13:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02ICpHt032432; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02IBmPS008170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02IBg1j027745; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02IBXAq027658 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so1830084wxc for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wf+F/NX061MFeSyc3vB4XNfXOvwAE0i9zvnH0kQeuZcd0dOwp1iylAZCWVbxrJ4FapFYr/VPelzkDnzkkc3XGJPvwZd4ISf55ivniuCeRs21uHaWm3Gdtqw3T3CG0hFsLDAFr6FC2mocndNvmUvDnrgUHj5T8Rfl0GrPJKAuo5Q= Received: by 10.70.104.3 with SMTP id b3mr12746600wxc; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.18 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e6527830601021011x440fb7d5t535d27010fc0f79e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:11:32 -0600 From: jordana robinson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k02IBXAq027658 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B96D23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO this is another plot spoiler, so... spoiler space... another reason for the weirdness of that corset may be that there were some action scenes coming up, as she and casanova make a dramatic escape from the scaffold. there may have been need for a harness or some sort of safety gear or padding underneath? (they jump from the scaffold onto a moving carriage/horses.) i was watching a sort of "behind the scenes" thing the other day, and it looked like they were doing their own stunts, but i fully admit i was only really giving close attention to heath ledger at that point :) just playing devil's advocate, as i agree it looks really ugly in that photo. i wish i were an actress in these movies -- i would be so happy to get to wear corsets and get paid for it! i loved the film, and because the plot and humor were a bit anachronistic in flavor, i expected and allowed for inaccuracies in the costuming. (there was also a dress at one point with a very 19th-century-looking back bustle thing going on, which also jarred me for a second.) i think since the film as a whole was not aiming to be a recreation of real historical events, then just giving the "look and feel" of the period is appropriate. it's just supposed to be a fun romantic comedy with pretty outfits, after all :) -jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 20:24:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031O1qU011152 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:24:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031Nrwf020604; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k031NIMk063795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031NCm5098099; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031N9FL098080 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B72A233877 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:23:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:23:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <000801c60fb1$02521680$09bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:23:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9D229.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for reminding me of the Dutch paints, I had forgotten about them. :) Though I am bias I do not think that my post was flaming. Your statement is not the first time I have heard about comparison of weight from the Renaissance to modern. I may have assumed that you had read the article that someone told me about a few months back. I may not be a big wompin' momma but I come in a close second, so it isn't a weight issue, it's an information issue, with me. I don't think that it matters of the size of the woman but I think you are correct about poor fit, and poor information. My friend who is into fetish and historic costume corsetry once told me many of the women she encounters from RenFairs have ill-fitted corsets.(roughly 60% have the wrong century corset) She has had women come to her and ask how can she wear that corset because they wore a corset for a RenFaire and was so uncomfortable. After explaining proper fit, she would offer to either fit them with a store bought corset or make one. 99% of those who take up her offer are satisfied with the results. I hear many think that the bawdy look is the norm and rampantly crosses the classes. Many assume that the head costumer is well read in historic costuming (usually they are) there are also those that show up to the RenFaire who have copied a gown that they saw at the faire the previous year not knowing whether it is period or another person perpetuating another person's fantasy. And then there are the major pattern companies and their "Renaissance" patterns that don't help the matter. Now this is my opinion and doesn't mean that it is 100% fact. De -----Original Message----- That was my post, and I didn't read an article to come to that conclusion. In fact, it wasn't a conclusion, really, just a "toss it out there" idea, based on my own personal experience and observation. I'm aware of the paintings in which fleshier women appear (some of the Dutch ones in that same time period show the same sort of voluptuousness, too), but when you look at the nudes, it always seems to come down to an exaggeration of the sitter's hips/thighs. It's also an obsession that didn't show up everywhere, even in Europe, and certainly didn't maintain its presence in later centuries. I don't seem to recall something similar showing up at all until the lateish 19th century. I'm really trying to avoid starting some sort of hot-and-bothered, flaming thread here. It's not my business to be berating modern people for weight issues, and I wouldn't, anyways, having suffered from society's reaction to my own shape most of my life. So no value judgements. I was just wondering if the reason some of us see so many badly fitting bodices on women now is a combination of many of the women simply being larger, combined with some amount of bad taste, and a fair quantity of misinformation. I've done a lot of historical costuming over the last 2 decades (much of it for myself), and I know how many fittings of patterns and whatnot I've had to do to get the right look with my modern body. --Sue, in grey pre-dawn Montana, where it looks like our unseasonably warm weather has gone away again, alas! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 20:49:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031nPhO011691 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:49:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031nGCj010571; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k031hI97066153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031hGNE010502; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031hB4B010437 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k031ZDb15595 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:35:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101c61008$048a67c0$14bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9D81C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Gack! I wasn't, really, trying to aim the "flaming" reference at you! Heavens, no. I'm sorry that wasn't clear (mea culpa!). What I was trying to say, in my clumsy/wordy fashion, was that I really didn't want this thread to degenerate into another tirade on fat Americans. We've had those on this list, unfortunately, and I'd be pretty content if they didn't occur in the future. I'm laughing at your description of a "big wompin' mama" . I qualify, although I'm more fire-plug shaped, being short and not amazonian-tall. ;o) I don't have much experience at all with RenFaires (they just don't occur in my part of the world, so what I know is all 2nd-hand), but I've seen plenty of the same sort of ill-fitting bodices and bad information occur at SCA events. Not at all familiar with the article you're mentioning--if you remember more specifics, it'd be great if you'd post them. I'd like to read it. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > Thank you for reminding me of the Dutch paints, I had forgotten about them. > :) > Though I am bias I do not think that my post was flaming. > Your statement is not the first time I have heard about comparison of weight > from the Renaissance to modern. I may have assumed that you had read the > article that someone told me about a few months back. > I may not be a big wompin' momma but I come in a close second, so it isn't a > weight issue, it's an information issue, with me. > I don't think that it matters of the size of the woman but I think you are > correct about poor fit, and poor information. > My friend who is into fetish and historic costume corsetry once told me many > of the women she encounters from RenFairs have ill-fitted corsets.(roughly > 60% have the wrong century corset) > She has had women come to her and ask how can she wear that corset because > they wore a corset for a RenFaire and was so uncomfortable. After explaining > proper fit, she would offer to either fit them with a store bought corset or > make one. 99% of those who take up her offer are satisfied with the results. > I hear many think that the bawdy look is the norm and rampantly crosses the > classes. > Many assume that the head costumer is well read in historic costuming > (usually they are) there are also those that show up to the RenFaire who > have copied a gown that they saw at the faire the previous year not knowing > whether it is period or another person perpetuating another person's > fantasy. > And then there are the major pattern companies and their "Renaissance" > patterns that don't help the matter. > Now this is my opinion and doesn't mean that it is 100% fact. > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 00:45:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k035jeDp015684 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:45:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k035jVcA019220; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:45:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k035j3Zr095664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k035isRC045679; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k035iqXe045659 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A171333A32 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:44:51 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:44:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <001101c61008$048a67c0$14bfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA0F7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, okay. :) I don't recall the magazine she said it came from I just remember that what my friend relayed to me sounded like the person didn't do very good research. Also had the myth in the article about people in the Renaissance never bathing. De -----Original Message----- Gack! I wasn't, really, trying to aim the "flaming" reference at you! Heavens, no. I'm sorry that wasn't clear (mea culpa!). What I was trying to say, in my clumsy/wordy fashion, was that I really didn't want this thread to degenerate into another tirade on fat Americans. We've had those on this list, unfortunately, and I'd be pretty content if they didn't occur in the future. I'm laughing at your description of a "big wompin' mama" . I qualify, although I'm more fire-plug shaped, being short and not amazonian-tall. ;o) I don't have much experience at all with RenFaires (they just don't occur in my part of the world, so what I know is all 2nd-hand), but I've seen plenty of the same sort of ill-fitting bodices and bad information occur at SCA events. Not at all familiar with the article you're mentioning--if you remember more specifics, it'd be great if you'd post them. I'd like to read it. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 02:19:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k037JZkM021627 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k037JQHH001895; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k037IqGM004086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k037ImjB089971; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k037Ii49089929 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EtgRP0MQ6-0006T4; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c61036$01a189c0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ten Years! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:19:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA257E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k037JZkM021627 Status: RO The Costume Gallery website's 10th year Anniversary is Jan. 6, 2006. Many, many thanks to all of you for making my dream job come true. A very heartfelt thanks to the h-costumers who have been around for all these years. You encouraged me and gave so much guidance from the very beginning. For our anniversary, I am opening up the online Library for free access from Jan. 3 - 6. You may invite your family and friends to use our Library during the free access period. The passwords are only good for our Library section of our website. These passwords will change on Jan. 7 at 12 am. The new passwords will only be available to subscribers at that time. Go to www.costumelibrary.com and click on the SUBSCRIBER LOGIN button. Library Passwords good only from Jan. 3 - 6: Login: cg2003 Password: budnan5 NOTE: Remember to use all lower case letters and no blank spaces before, after, or in-between the passwords. Blank spaces are recognized as characters and will give you an error message. It is so hard for me to believe it has been 10 years! In 1996, the website was called Historic Costume Research and the Library was all that was on the site. The growth continued with The Costume Gallery in 1997, Online Costume Ball in 1997, the Costume Classroom in 2000, A Year in Fashion series in 2000, Designer's of Their Time series in 2003, and Fashion Color Database in 2005. Many thanks again, Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 09:46:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03EknJp024264 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Ekcdf026887; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03EkHgh066631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03EkGaP036033; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Ejsqn035793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k03EjmP84675 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:45:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 03 Jan 2006 08:45:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:45:47 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:45:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bosoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA8E4E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! my def. on MoaP this is not (though loud) MoaP http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/PSClaudeandPetronella/?action=v iew¤t=PC36.jpg It's when the bodice is cinched in such a way that the bosoms have no room but to pop out. http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=jmstrange&gallery_id=25 2009&image_id=11 Though these are wenches, I have seen women suppose to be nobility and looking like tarts. http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/CommercialShoot/?action=view&cu rrent=Commercial95.jpg This isn't as bad as I have seen in the past. Now I have no problem MoaPs except that it has become the belief that this was the norm for women of that century. This is not saying that the blooming bosom wasn't seen but it wasn't common. De ================================ Sigh, I have to take responsibility for some of these, this is my home faire :). I think you are right though, in the business part of the rennfaire world, this is a *very* accepted look for any female in costume. It is expected by the majority of the patrons too. There is little tolerance for authentic costuming when what they want is 'St. Pauly Girl' both for serving the ale and wearing the crown. I just try and tell myself it is at least fairly close to 17th C :). That being said, this group of wenches actually do a pretty good job of staying away from TOAP and overflowing cups. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 09:46:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Ekn1a024265 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03EkcVO013873; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03EjAT8066510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:45:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Ej3wF035373; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Eiw0U035252 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C08319209 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:44:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:44:50 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060103144451.B0C08319209@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Japan Vakation question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA8E4E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Does anyone kow more about interesting sites to visit in Japan? We would like to go somewhere in april/mei. I know you can make an appointment to see part of the digitial collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute. http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/coll-e.html This sounds quite interesting. I have the fashion book of the institute. Has anyone has any experience with their digital collection? Is it hard to get permission? The Japanese costume Museum sounds interesting too. Things I am most interested in are Historical costumes, Fabric stores, Gothic Lolita clothing. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 10:38:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fc9ff026320 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:38:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fc1XV021165; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03FbcjZ073981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03FbaMc070051; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03FbWiL070018 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8BD1810398; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: <43BA99D1.5060501@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:35:45 -0500 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Daguerreotypes of 1840s & 50s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA9A59.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you are interested in this period, you will want to see the exhibit Young America: The Daguerreotypes of Southworth & Hawes. I saw it at the George Eastman House in Rochester, NY over the holiday and the images are superb. It features over 150 images by the photographers from the 1840s through 1860s. The exhibit includes the original daguerreotypes and painting of Nancy Southworth featured in Joan Severa's Dressed for the Photographer. The details you can see in the originals are amazing. There is a massive catalog for the exhibit, but it runs $120 and the photos simply cannot convey the details visible in the originals. The show in Rochester closes this week (Jan. 8) and it will run Jan 28 to April 9 in Andover, MA in its final run. -- Anne Dealy adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 10:52:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fq0Fr027121 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:52:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fpqua032129; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03FpFrD076200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03FpAOD080303; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Fp7rN080237 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.193]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BDEE47FF06 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:51:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c6107d$8242a540$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:51:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] solved email problems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:51:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA9D98.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi the list, Sorry if this is off topic, but if some of you have sended me emails lately, i probably never got them. I have solved the problem now, so please if you had something send to me, please send it again. I hate to think of all those mails i never got.............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 11:44:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Gisfr028241 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:44:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03GijQb011403; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:44:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03GiNT1084822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03GiL5I024649; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03GiG8x024531 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 51991 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2006 16:44:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NveL71vb5uQfCMV3h9MrRbmHaxCI7mhU3E0QWhEiQAMDeyqrMha0V6nsrM3KM/v9w5T23pbM2vsp1PUTj0wzHKa1afjrz9CLemA15uw8qRdZnXK2Sc7CfQVqdoU8a0bRmBHDitYg/iBw3lhJKn3BjTAv85IZdIt4NcdjxrBG4SI= ; Message-ID: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.249.220.59] by web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:44:10 PST Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:44:10 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Hello-new member X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:44:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAA9FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings, I was so pleased to find this resource. I am in need of guidance and after reading through some of the archived messages, this sounds like the place to find it. My son will be playing Capt. Martin Frobisher at a Renaissance Faire this summer and has asked me to make his outfit. Up to this point he has been supplied with Yeoman garb. I have loads of sewing experience, but none in historical accuracy. Where would be the best place to start? I also don't have the luxury of time, since he needs to submit fabric swatches by the end of February. I have asked him to find contact information for the person in charge of costume at the Faire, so I will know just how deep the accuracy needs to go. I have done theatre costuming, but I think this needs to be a little more in-depth. There is a portrait of this gentleman to use as a guide. How do I tell what kind of fabric to look for? My local fabric sources are limited to Joann's and Wal-Mart. Are there good resources online? Any guidance/assistance will be appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 12:23:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HNRdM028821 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:23:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HNIpe011398; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:23:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03HMj9G090702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HMgcv059527; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:22:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HMcTL059347 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:22:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.7b.53232c78 (17228) for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.53232c78.30ec0cd2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:22:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Daguerreotypes of 1840s & 50s To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:23:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAB306.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/3/2006 10:43:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com writes: > Young America: The Daguerreotypes of Southworth &Hawes Yummy! On Amazon.com the book is $75....with used ones for $70. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 12:25:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HPEqu028834 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:25:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HP5Oh003415; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03HOjmW090968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HOhox061231; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03HObx6061037 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5XN3LAEWTQMJ for (sender ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDTBRVAT; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:23:14 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:16:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member Message-ID: <20060103.111654.-115765603.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2, 5-6, 19-22, 24-26, 28-31, 33-34, 37-38, 43-44, 47-48, 52-62, 64-101 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 34:17:4059408920 X-MAIL-INFO: 2655cd41cdfde419fde45110e45154f9e124a4ad50d124f41de0506df4d944a5f484b9d45549557dc9519de45510 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn79mV6GDCcUQI9zBxNVlGKcv374nRnKxjXA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAB371.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! I am a long-time member of the group your will be costuming for (Bristol RenFaire Guilde of St. George) and I can give you some pointers, but Kate Bailey will be your final word of approval. I can tell you that authenticity is very important- some people use theatrical cheats, but it's rather discouraged. It's important to use fabrics with lots of natural fiber as we will be performing in the dust and heat of high summer. Try to get fabric with as much cotton in it as possible. Take a good look at other Renaissance portraits and try to train your eye as to what patterns are appropriate- many modern upholstery fabrics are a good pattern but be careful that they aren't too big to go on a human body. When in doubt, use a plain fabric and go wild with the trim. Make sure your colors are correct to period- it's hard to go wrong with greys, browns, and golds. As a knight and a sea captain, you should probably err towards the side of simple and practical. It's better to do a fairly simple outfit well than to do a really complicated outfit badly. The parts of the outfit you will need to make/provide are: period correct shirt (preferably two so he can have a clean one on Sunday) breeches (slops or venetians) doublet sleeves (they are detachable so you could make him a couple different matching ones....) a cloak or jerkin (sleeveless over vest) hat He will also need period correct shoes/boots. Most men wear men's theatrical/ballet tights underneath. For a good set of men's patterns you can't go wrong with Margo's Patterns, she has a complete outfit in one pattern package along with excellent instructions. Consider using several layers of trim as decoration to give it depth and interest rather than one wide trim. You will need to buy more trim than you thought possible to trim the outfit- I never buy trim in less than 15 yard lots these days and you could probably use 20-30 yards on the breeches, doublet and cloak without even trying hard. Since he is a knight, you won't need to worry about beading and jeweling, but he should consider getting at least one piece of really nice jewelry to decorate the outfit. Don't limit yourself to just locally available fabric resources- the Web is a great place to shop and most fabric sellers will send you swatches. My personal favorite is Fabric.com but I'm sure other people will have other resources to share. Karen Seamstrix Lady Philadelphia Carey, Baroness Le Scrope of Bolton Guilde of St. George, Bristol Renaissance Faire On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:44:10 -0800 (PST) REBECCA BURCH writes: > Greetings, > > I was so pleased to find this resource. I am in need > of guidance and after reading through some of the > archived messages, this sounds like the place to find > it. > > My son will be playing Capt. Martin Frobisher at a > Renaissance Faire this summer and has asked me to make > his outfit. Up to this point he has been supplied > with Yeoman garb. I have loads of sewing experience, > but none in historical accuracy. Where would be the > best place to start? I also don't have the luxury of > time, since he needs to submit fabric swatches by the > end of February. > > I have asked him to find contact information for the > person in charge of costume at the Faire, so I will > know just how deep the accuracy needs to go. I have > done theatre costuming, but I think this needs to be a > little more in-depth. > > There is a portrait of this gentleman to use as a > guide. How do I tell what kind of fabric to look for? > My local fabric sources are limited to Joann's and > Wal-Mart. Are there good resources online? > > Any guidance/assistance will be appreciated. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 12:31:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HVIeC028897 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:31:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HVAC9018417; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03HUiNb091926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:30:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HUdPZ066697; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HUUBA066551 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([70.18.149.60]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ISJ000GJ1YOHSH3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:30:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:30:24 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAB4DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hey I played Sir Martin Frobisher myself for a few years at a Rennainsince faire ( in California)! I also did have a costume based upon the painting that you speak of, though I used wool for all the pieces. It is diifficult to be precise about some of the fabric in that painting, at least when using reproductions of it in books. I susppect it would be more obvious if the actual painting is viewed. The portrait shows what is I believe a silk or satin doublet in white. This part is clear. The sleeves of the doublet are shaped in a sort of "leg of mutton" style. Very full in the shoulders, thight in the forearms. They appear to be cut longer than needed as well. The doublet closes with several small buttons set close togetherand has a very narrow skirt at the bottom. What is a harder to determine is the fabric of the other garments. Over the doublet he wears a jerkin and he wears a pair of venetians. These items are both constructed of the same material and match. There seem to be two opinions out there on what the fabric is. One would theory is that it is leather, the other wool. If it is leather, it is a soft finished leather, like proper deerskin as opposed to the modern stuuf easily available. A plushness is cleary apparent in some copies of the painting. The jerkin is laced up the front with points (a seperate tie at each place rather than a long cord like a woman's pair of bodys or corset). The jerkin is finsihed with rolled piccadills at the waist and a double set of similiar piccadils at the top of the armscye. If you make the jerkin of wool, do yourslef a favour and do not finish the edges of these piccadills. You will be dealing with a lot of fabric in those seams as it is. The outfit is finished with a THIN sword belt over the doublet (but under the jerkin) beige shoes, ruffs at the neck and wrists and a cord around his neck. Hanging from the cord is what I have aften heard described as a 16th century bosuns whistle, but what looks to me far more like a ring hanging from a cord. Bosun's pipes do exist in the period, and in most cases look quite different from modern ones (not always though). I think that in this case though the item has simply been misidentified. There are a number of sources for fabrics online, and if you intend to make this in wool you may need them. Wool selection tends to be a little dicey at least at my local versions of the two stores you mentioned. I have purchased some for reasonable prices from Hamilton Drygoods, who is online. B. Black in Sons also have an online page. They provide most of the finer wools you will find at places like Hancocks or Joannes. I am not certain if they do retail business though. I know when I lived in California still we needed a business license to buy from them. They are one of the things I most miss about California! Great people to do business with, and they would give you great deals when you were there in the shop. My friends here where I now live at Burnley and Trowbridge have a great selection of historic appropriate fabrics as well as some books that will help you weith patterning for the period. There webpage wont help you with their fabric though. You will have to either call them, or order their catalog WITH the fabric swatches. I have found some good deals on Ebay as well, including several yards of a biege that would work well for Frobisher. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Hello-new member > Greetings, > > I was so pleased to find this resource. I am in need > of guidance and after reading through some of the > archived messages, this sounds like the place to find > it. > > My son will be playing Capt. Martin Frobisher at a > Renaissance Faire this summer and has asked me to make > his outfit. Up to this point he has been supplied > with Yeoman garb. I have loads of sewing experience, > but none in historical accuracy. Where would be the > best place to start? I also don't have the luxury of > time, since he needs to submit fabric swatches by the > end of February. > > I have asked him to find contact information for the > person in charge of costume at the Faire, so I will > know just how deep the accuracy needs to go. I have > done theatre costuming, but I think this needs to be a > little more in-depth. > > There is a portrait of this gentleman to use as a > guide. How do I tell what kind of fabric to look for? > My local fabric sources are limited to Joann's and > Wal-Mart. Are there good resources online? > > Any guidance/assistance will be appreciated. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 13:44:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03IimgI029963 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:44:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03IieZ1016262; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:44:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03IhcKT004532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03IhSgU033065; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03IhFNh032934 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:43:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 32136 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 19:38:22 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:38:22 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:44:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAC618.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Rebecca, I have a fabric website specifically for people making historical costumes. http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/ I carry wool, silk, linen, and some cottons. For a hot summer and historical accuaracy, I recommend linens for shirts, pants, and maybe a doublet. Lightweight wool is even better for a doublet and can also be used for pants. Most people think wool is too warm but it breathes so it isn't that bad if you get a lightweight kind. And it is more historically accurate than cotton. Silk would be accuarate as well, but if he is going to be outside in hot weather, silk is impractical because it will get sweat (salt) stains. You could use it as a trim fabric, though. Someone mentioned Margo's patterns. They are awesome and heavily researched and tested (I know her personally). I recommend them also. And someone else said to use cotton for his outfit. I would recommend linen over than cotton because it is sturdy and more accurate. I also carry a cotton/linen blend that is good because it isn't as expensive as pure linen but it has a better look than 100% cotton. I also can order other colors than the ones listed on the website so if you are looking for a specific color, let me know and I will see if it is available. Other websites you can check for fabrics are www.fabrics.com, www.denverfabrics.com, and www.fashionfabricsclub.com I am a costumer myself so I will be happy to answer any construction or other questions you may have! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 15:45:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03KjOx8031983 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:45:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03KjFxY017426; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:45:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03KgvBJ023679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Kgr4G039319; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03KgoL6039178 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:42:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62890 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2006 20:42:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QFtC12iCHeR1x7wWi0RATEAHZ4MrAhiF9u2qzP1ZoVY7VB93fjMP8v4GyhPckkRPThHudP+xUUs0Vbj9xX026l2fgSNcaVJH9GGQJ8oclefUzI13yLCMxnhrNLcgcd/VtnRX5pcOei4J03SLSd73OpKgal6Cg8AbxJJ7i+ro2eo= ; Message-ID: <20060103204243.62888.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:42:43 PST Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512291730.jBTHTxVf018489@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:18th c polonaise. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:45:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAE25C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Huum You are on the big place on the other side of the world, so I can't loan you any of my patterns. That leaves Big Pattern Co's. where I haven't yet seen anything that really turns me on, or books, Some of the good ones have pattern drafts right in them. The easiest to deal with, and ones that you might actually be able to get to are: Arnolds books, Fitting and Proper and the Williamsburg Costume in detail. . some of the others. And there is always the rumor that I wait for, that the Simplicity line is coming out with 18th c patterns in their Martha McCain costume historian line. I think she's done quite well in the American Civil War (War between the States, the late Unpleasentness)... Real nice looking, they look like REAL THINGS and adaptable to period sewing techniques for those of us with less than adequate pattern drafting skills. (No I find fitting a real, true problem!!! ) Mia in Charlotte, NC, just catching up to the rest of the world after 10 days off work --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Mazel Tov Penny! You're making me feel old! My my, has it been ten years already? angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ten Years! The Costume Gallery website's 10th year Anniversary is Jan. 6, 2006. Many, many thanks to all of you for making my dream job come true. A very heartfelt thanks to the h-costumers who have been around for all these years. You encouraged me and gave so much guidance from the very beginning. For our anniversary, I am opening up the online Library for free access from Jan. 3 - 6. You may invite your family and friends to use our Library during the free access period. The passwords are only good for our Library section of our website. These passwords will change on Jan. 7 at 12 am. The new passwords will only be available to subscribers at that time. Go to www.costumelibrary.com and click on the SUBSCRIBER LOGIN button. Library Passwords good only from Jan. 3 - 6: Login: cg2003 Password: budnan5 NOTE: Remember to use all lower case letters and no blank spaces before, after, or in-between the passwords. Blank spaces are recognized as characters and will give you an error message. It is so hard for me to believe it has been 10 years! In 1996, the website was called Historic Costume Research and the Library was all that was on the site. The growth continued with The Costume Gallery in 1997, Online Costume Ball in 1997, the Costume Classroom in 2000, A Year in Fashion series in 2000, Designer's of Their Time series in 2003, and Fashion Color Database in 2005. Many thanks again, Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 17:27:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03MRj0n001488 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:27:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03MRa4M031926; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:27:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03MR0aO040066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03MQvlF028043; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03MQrfM027993 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 318463628F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:53 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello-new member Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:27:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAFA58.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Some help http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?LinkID=mp54600&rNo=2&role=sit The best I can do in getting the portrait that Cornelius Ketel painted. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0300083807/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-4894048-4326327 #reader-link If you copy this you will definitely want the shirt to be linen. I don't think that MF would be wearing the full ruff while working. The off-white doublet looks satin but it is not the same "satin" as modern satin. Might substitute the satin for polished cotton. The jerkin looks to be leather. Recommend these patterns for assistance if needed. http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html Good luck, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:27:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NRFbd002488 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:27:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NR6kr005423; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:27:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NQPGd049925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NQKQW080974; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NQHaZ080863 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k03NQBu13806 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:26:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Althea Turner Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:26:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Laura de Pola X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:27:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB084A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello, I've been asked to help with this costume. 1544 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of what/ how it's made? thanks! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:31:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NVxXN002591 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:31:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NVoWv008516; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NVLgn050792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NVGMG085710; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav12.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03J1CNj049146 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.59.237 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:01:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.59.237] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:01:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:01:05 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 19:01:06.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D2D8C00:01C61098] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:31:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB0966.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k03NVxXN002591 If you are going to follow the advice (which I agree with) to use layers of trim generously, you'll need this site: http://www.cheeptrims.com/default.asp Janet Davis _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:32:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWGG2002598 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NW8QE027728; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NVecF050845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NVc7J086046; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Jos0f094028 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so2080980wxc for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Nn4E/TfX4HTOo+DQ0Ajhz4H1LFLEQUmM28sQjTBE7VHDz+PZshxaRSs9x7wte++jRrkSgmeGsBz3O7pYuH4qAdqvpdRGpEn5v/ZpXah6clO1HaSEY1IY+5KYgXQShL3GBjZYtZTAGw2vcdM0DS1atTjiAWPVRfAcITHpwR3SRak= Received: by 10.70.13.4 with SMTP id 4mr6859234wxm; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.80.8 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:50:53 -0500 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member In-Reply-To: <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:32:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB0978.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k03NWGG2002598 re: wool breathing I have a slightly fulled wool flannel dress that I wear with linen undergarments, it has done well for me in windy, 35F weather and fairly muggy 82F degree weather. Admittedly, I was *warm* in the heat, but not dying by any stretch, and this is a dress that was designed for *cold.* I would imagine something in lightweight wool would be even better. -Irmgart On 1/3/06, Diana Habra wrote: > > Rebecca, > > I have a fabric website specifically for people making historical > costumes. > > http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/ > > I carry wool, silk, linen, and some cottons. For a hot summer and > historical accuaracy, I recommend linens for shirts, pants, and maybe a > doublet. Lightweight wool is even better for a doublet and can also be > used for pants. Most people think wool is too warm but it breathes so it > isn't that bad if you get a lightweight kind. And it is more historically > accurate than cotton. Silk would be accuarate as well, but if he is going > to be outside in hot weather, silk is impractical because it will get > sweat (salt) stains. You could use it as a trim fabric, though. > > Someone mentioned Margo's patterns. They are awesome and heavily > researched and tested (I know her personally). I recommend them also. > > And someone else said to use cotton for his outfit. I would recommend > linen over than cotton because it is sturdy and more accurate. I also > carry a cotton/linen blend that is good because it isn't as expensive as > pure linen but it has a better look than 100% cotton. I also can order > other colors than the ones listed on the website so if you are looking for > a specific color, let me know and I will see if it is available. > > Other websites you can check for fabrics are www.fabrics.com, > www.denverfabrics.com, and www.fashionfabricsclub.com > > I am a costumer myself so I will be happy to answer any construction or > other questions you may have! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:32:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWbWs002608 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWSNY004124; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NW2V8050935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NW1fX086459; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03LM1mS073668 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060103212203014008qqshe>; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:22:03 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:01 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:01 +0000 Message-Id: <010320062122.4068.43BAEAF9000C03DF00000FE422007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:32:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB098C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Beth, Sorry for the delay, mundane life got a hold of me. :-) The book I have is: Le Costume - De L'Antiquite A La Renaissance Francaise by L. Lejeune-Francoise and L. Lamorlette. The book is so old that there is no copyright in it. Happy New Year, Rose -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney > Oh that hurts. I had a bad one on concrete about a month ago. > > Please let me know which one you have. I've been collecting quite a bit on > archaeological textiles and costumes (SCA period), but need more on France. > > Take care. > Beth > > At 10:32 AM 12/17/2005, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 > >From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > > > >Beth, > > > > I know I have a French costuming book somewhere in my library, let me > > see if it is the same one or not. If it is, I like the book except for > > the fact it is in French - there was a chapter in it that I wanted > > translated, luckily I had an acquaintance who could translate the chapter > > for me. Must go and let arm and wrist rest, had a nasty fall last weekend. > > > >Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:32:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWs5M002612 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWjIv004389; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NWPhP050999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NWN6w086804; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03N9iYF065205 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 7271 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 00:04:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:04:53 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:12:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1150.67.188.164.116.1136329938.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:12:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:32:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB099D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am SOOO sorry! That was supposed to be private! Diana > Rebecca, > > I have a fabric website specifically for people making historical > costumes. > > http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/ > > I carry wool, silk, linen, and some cottons. For a hot summer and > historical accuaracy, I recommend linens for shirts, pants, and maybe a > doublet. Lightweight wool is even better for a doublet and can also be > used for pants. Most people think wool is too warm but it breathes so it > isn't that bad if you get a lightweight kind. And it is more historically > accurate than cotton. Silk would be accuarate as well, but if he is going > to be outside in hot weather, silk is impractical because it will get > sweat (salt) stains. You could use it as a trim fabric, though. > > Someone mentioned Margo's patterns. They are awesome and heavily > researched and tested (I know her personally). I recommend them also. > > And someone else said to use cotton for his outfit. I would recommend > linen over than cotton because it is sturdy and more accurate. I also > carry a cotton/linen blend that is good because it isn't as expensive as > pure linen but it has a better look than 100% cotton. I also can order > other colors than the ones listed on the website so if you are looking for > a specific color, let me know and I will see if it is available. > > Other websites you can check for fabrics are www.fabrics.com, > www.denverfabrics.com, and www.fashionfabricsclub.com > > I am a costumer myself so I will be happy to answer any construction or > other questions you may have! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 19:16:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k040GAQN003382 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k040Fxh7000920; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k040Ex6M056266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k040EuLi020371; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k040ErQu020239 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6223CEF1 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:14:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:14:48 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:16:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB13BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Althea Turner wrote: > Hello, > > I've been asked to help with this costume. > 1544 > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html > > I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a couple > gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. > > I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon > appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really understand > the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of what/ how it's > made? thanks! > The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. Not sure what's going on with the headdress in the same fabric. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 21:07:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k042730f005115 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:07:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0426sHJ030456; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:06:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0426Rfl070171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:06:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0426Lmv091155; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0426H3q091049 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C2E3D473 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:06:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:06:16 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hatmaking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:06:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB2DBE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Those of you who make hats... Would you suggest a good book or two? I'm totally intimidated by the process but eager to try it if I can get good instructions. I've seen one book that makes it look easy, but then if it was easy everyone would be doing it, so I have to wonder. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 21:17:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k042HrhT005299 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:17:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k042HiQ1003827; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:17:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k042H4gn071063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k042H0Sr096637; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:XSfZp6u9GNj6QChjMxGLxV8BCshind2Y@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k042Guih096579 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.4] (206-124-5-4.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.4]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k042Fts21297 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:15:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> References: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:17:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB3048.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have From the Neck Up, which I highly recommend. Sylrog On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Dawn wrote: > Those of you who make hats... > > Would you suggest a good book or two? I'm totally intimidated by the > process but eager to try it if I can get good instructions. I've seen > one book that makes it look easy, but then if it was easy everyone > would be doing it, so I have to wonder. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 01:27:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k046RhO3008560 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:27:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k046RYU3005152; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:27:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k046R9Si098821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k046R5tJ027270; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k046R0Ro027131 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc66v.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.24.223] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Eu26s-00059y-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:26:58 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.10/218]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:26:35 -0600 Message-ID: <43BB6A9A.60004@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:26:34 -0600 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book References: <010320062122.4068.43BAEAF9000C03DF00000FE422007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <010320062122.4068.43BAEAF9000C03DF00000FE422007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:27:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB6AD6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Beth, > > Sorry for the delay, mundane life got a hold of me. :-) The book I have is: > Le Costume - De L'Antiquite A La Renaissance Francaise by L. Lejeune-Francoise and L. Lamorlette. The book is so old that there is no copyright in it. > > Happy New Year, > Rose I did a quick check of Worldcat. The only book by those authors I found is titled "Histoire du costume". The only copy is in Brussels and the entry lists the date as "1950-1957?". --Charlene -- Plagiarism: Failure to adorn stolen ideas with footnotes, as opposed to scholarship, which repeatedly acknowledges the theft. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 07:39:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04CdQhb011198 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:39:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04CdIEI017346; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:39:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04CcKJY051610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04CcFSF098222; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04CcBYU098140 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.284.3641558 (62976) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <284.3641558.30ed1ba9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:38:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:39:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBC1F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/3/2006 9:18:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: have From the Neck Up, which I highly recommend. Another that I recommend, unfortunately out of print (but our local library has it): "Classic Millinery Techniques" by Ann Albrizio It has more detail on building a buckram frame than "From the Neck Up" does, which I found very helpful--although I haven't actually tried it yet! That is on my list of things to try. I've been getting along modifying straw hats for early 19th c. day wear and making turbans for evening wear. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 09:44:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Ei70a013442 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:44:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04EhwA7013435; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:44:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04EhOYb066883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04EhKUD067553; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:43:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04EhDAk067429 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 17943 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 14:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 14:43:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:43:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBDF2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy the movie, but I'd rather not!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 09:54:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Es9rC013726 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:54:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Es0Es022049; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04ErZBc068271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04ErUSX073440; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04ErRnL073340 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.27d.3893851 (4568) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27d.3893851.30ed3b60@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:53:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:54:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBE188.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/4/2006 9:44:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > Can you not rent it? I worked on "Interview" and I don't remember this dress. I thought everything Claudia wore was blue or green...except the pink dress she "kills" Lestat in. Must be a bustle gown...while they're in Paris [the unions [not a member] wouldn't let me go to Paris] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:14:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FEA64014120 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:14:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FDvDH005988; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FDH0k071183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FDGkb087546; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:13:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04FDB5Z087430 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82729 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:13:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104151112.01d96b28@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:13:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: <27d.3893851.30ed3b60@aol.com> References: <27d.3893851.30ed3b60@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:14:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBE635.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:53 04/01/2006, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/4/2006 9:44:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > > I may have to go and buy > > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > > >Can you not rent it? > >I worked on "Interview" and I don't remember this dress. I thought everything >Claudia wore was blue or green...except the pink dress she "kills" Lestat in. >Must be a bustle gown...while they're in Paris [the unions [not a member] >wouldn't let me go to Paris] Yes, it was a bustle gown. I copied the blue dress, from a borrowed DVD, but cannot get it again from the owner. You have to "Join" the shop here to rent videos and DVDs, and I feel it is a nuisance for just one movie! Thanks anyway Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:29:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FTCRK014445 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:29:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FT4xK018937; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:29:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FRe4F073262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FRaGw098988; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FRWCD098865 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:27:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter61.comcast.net ([204.127.205.161]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010415272601100djrofe>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:27:26 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter61.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:27:24 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:27:24 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBE9C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. :p XxX, Traci www.crimsonvision.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source > please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:33:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FXhfB014554 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:33:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FXY5o023017; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:33:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FX8fG074128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FX5Tl003727; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FX03p003576 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.87]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060104153254.BXLX8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:32:54 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060104092412.026085c0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:27:12 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book In-Reply-To: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> References: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:33:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBEACE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Rose, Thanks for the info. I know how the real world can do! Take care. Beth At 08:53 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:01 +0000 >From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > >Hi Beth, > > Sorry for the delay, mundane life got a hold of me. :-) The book I > have is: >Le Costume - De L'Antiquite A La Renaissance Francaise by L. >Lejeune-Francoise and L. Lamorlette. The book is so old that there is no >copyright in it. > >Happy New Year, >Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:35:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FZ21V014589 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:35:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FYrNh024820; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:34:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FXI55074170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FXHVN003889; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FX3is003608 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.87]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060104153257.BXOG8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:32:57 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060104092833.02609b20@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:32:18 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book In-Reply-To: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> References: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:34:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBEB1D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks for checking.. Beth At 08:53 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:26:34 -0600 >From: Charlene Charette >I did a quick check of Worldcat. The only book by those authors I found >is titled "Histoire du costume". The only copy is in Brussels and the >entry lists the date as "1950-1957?". > >--Charlene _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:40:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Fen90014706 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:40:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Feeld029689; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:40:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FdMk1074956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FdELs008503; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai01.charter.net (mtai01.charter.net [209.225.8.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04Fd9df008374 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip22-10.charter.net ([10.20.202.72]) by mtai01.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060104153522.RLUZ3280.mtai01.charter.net@mxip22-10.charter.net> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:35:22 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip22-10.charter.net with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2006 10:35:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:35:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104151112.01d96b28@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcYRQXuMYE8y7UfySZKhJbn9RY5HfAAAsvvg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:40:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBEC78.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, I would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very small fee, depending on your library) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > > > Yes, it was a bustle gown. I copied the blue dress, from a > borrowed DVD, but cannot get it again from the owner. You > have to "Join" the shop here to rent videos and DVDs, and I > feel it is a nuisance for just one movie! > > Thanks anyway > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Fgkvk014735 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:42:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Fgcar027402; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FeiBX075114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:40:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FehVR009562; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:40:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04FeD23009164 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 75690 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:40:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104153808.01d97b68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:39:34 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE020 1079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> References: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:42:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBECEE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 15:27 04/01/2006, you wrote: >These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg > >I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the >movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for >the detailing. :p > >XxX, >Traci Thank you that's two more than I found. I gave in and bought the DVD - it was really cheap so I crumbled. Yes, I borrowed the customer's DVD for the blue dress - would never have managed without!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 11:07:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04G7HMY015209 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:07:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04G77ej021885; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:07:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04G6bf4080190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04G6V8B031458; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:06:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04G6Rv0031410 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 27754 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:01:41 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:08:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1077.67.188.164.116.1136390939.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002 019C03079D0C@comcast.net> References: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:08:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:07:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBF2AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg > > I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the movie; I > made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. Well, if people on this list barely remember that she wore a gold dress and it is difficult to find pictures of it, I wouldn't worry about copying it exactly. Who will know if it is a good reproduction or not? Just a thought.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 11:23:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04GNKhw015451 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:23:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04GNBgW003084; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:23:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04GDBpP081608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04GD8GM036913; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04GD4Px036674 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter71.comcast.net ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200601041612460130093cnve>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:12:46 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter71.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:12:46 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:12:46 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061612.822.43BBF3FE000153C0000003362200763692CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:23:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBF66F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Well, if people on this list barely remember that she wore a gold dress > and it is difficult to find pictures of it, I wouldn't worry about copying > it exactly. Who will know if it is a good reproduction or not? Heh, I've answered this question quite a few times to people trying to talk me in off the ledge for a detail on a costume not going the exact way I would want it to and my answer to them is 'I will know!' ;) XxX, Traci www.CrimsonVision.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 12:00:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04H0taZ016196 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:00:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04H0klV003861; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:00:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04H0DaK088633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04H08Ii080046; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04Gxs7k079783 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95680 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 16:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 16:59:49 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104165357.01d97a68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:00:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: <010420061612.822.43BBF3FE000153C0000003362200763692CE02010 79C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> References: <010420061612.822.43BBF3FE000153C0000003362200763692CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:00:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBFF3E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:12 04/01/2006, you wrote: > > Well, if people on this list barely remember that she wore a gold dress > > and it is difficult to find pictures of it, I wouldn't worry about copying > > it exactly. Who will know if it is a good reproduction or not? > >Heh, I've answered this question quite a few times to people trying >to talk me in off the ledge for a detail on a costume not going the >exact way I would want it to and my answer to them is 'I will know!' ;) I will copy it as nearly perfectly as possible because that is what the customer is paying for. It is her wedding dress, and she will want it to be perfect. It is my job to do the research and get it right. *I* will know if it is a good reproduction, and it will matter to me. Traci, that's you and me both! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 12:58:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Hw9AE017488 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:58:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Hw1QV018718; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:58:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04HvQtc098881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04HvLg3031704; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04HvFlV031515 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78319 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 17:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 17:57:10 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104175557.01d969a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:57:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104153808.01d97b68@127.0.0.1> References: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104153808.01d97b68@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bought the DVD - was Slightly OT on Movie Costume source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC0CA9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 15:39 04/01/2006, you wrote: >At 15:27 04/01/2006, you wrote: >>These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: >> >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg >> >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg >> >>I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the >>movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable >>for the detailing. :p >> >>XxX, >>Traci > > >Thank you that's two more than I found. I gave in and bought the DVD >- it was really cheap so I crumbled. Yes, I borrowed the customer's >DVD for the blue dress - would never have managed without!! > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 13:42:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IgqBr018294 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:42:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Iggan022694; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04Ig65X006060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:42:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04IfwrO073161; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-22.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-22.bluehost.com [70.103.189.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04F7Ddx083223 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 2676 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2006 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box16.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.16) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from 193.84-48-130.nextgentel.com ([84.48.130.193] helo=acer) by box16.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EuAEK-0005OF-3Z for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:07:12 -0700 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:06:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {32532:box16.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp 84.48.130.193 authed with g.vinje@drakt.org} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: g.vinje@drakt.org,hotpop@drakt.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box16.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32532 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - drakt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:42:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC1722.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:43:21 +0000, Suzi Clarke wrote: > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the Vampire" > and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is the gold > ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she dances with > Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? I suspect it is this one; http://www.bradpittnow.com/movies/interview_vampire/94f.jpg Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 13:44:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IiVoo018315 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:44:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IiNdL018539; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:44:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04IhPlQ006208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04IhJ6p074275; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:43:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FNjjj095117 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter71.comcast.net ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010415230301100ddqgge>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:03 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter71.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:22:51 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:22:51 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061522.22879.43BBE84B00009F530000595F2200763692CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:44:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC1787.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Here are the only two images I could find after a bit of a search: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg I'm thinking you might have to buy the movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. XxX, Traci www.crimsonvision.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source > please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 13:47:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IlpXC018367 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:47:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Ilfp3026473; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:47:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04IgtPa006136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:42:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04Igmuo073761; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:42:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FNjji095117 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter61.comcast.net ([204.127.205.161]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010415230201100di1r2e>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:02 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter61.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:23:00 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:23:00 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061523.22004.43BBE854000C907E000055F42205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:47:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC184D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Here are the only two images I could find after a bit of a search: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg I'm thinking you might have to buy the movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. XxX, Traci www.crimsonvision.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source > please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 17:49:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04MnCje023650 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:49:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Mn1o8028331; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04Mm9h6044690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04Mlv8P018529; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04MlrT7018406 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 24323 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 22:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 22:47:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:42:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:49:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC50DD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to know that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online catalogue and ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If anyone has problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the information. www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 20:55:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k051tCSm027125 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:55:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k051t4DO012709; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k051rtxY069647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k051rpnV055001; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav6.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04MD7Pe089216 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:12:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:12:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:46:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2006 22:12:02.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3BD6E50:01C6117B] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC7C78.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I learned at a recent workshop that linen can have the same sheen as satin if the treatment is done correctly. It takes ironing the wet fabric until it shines. Lines should not be placed in a dryer. It will remove the sheen. Air drying retains the shiney surface. Once it'sbeen put in a dryer that sheen is gone forever. That is why we have so many linen textiles in museums... no dryers bach then. Dry gets too hot. I'd suggest going to a second hand store, find a piece of linen fabric and test the ironing suggestion. I need to do that myself. I weave and that is one of the things I'll have to do next year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello-new member > Some help > http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?LinkID=mp54600&rNo=2&role=sit > > The best I can do in getting the portrait that Cornelius Ketel painted. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0300083807/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-4894048-4326327 > #reader-link > > If you copy this you will definitely want the shirt to be linen. > I don't think that MF would be wearing the full ruff while working. > The off-white doublet looks satin but it is not the same "satin" as modern > satin. Might substitute the satin for polished cotton. > The jerkin looks to be leather. > Recommend these patterns for assistance if needed. > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html > > Good luck, > De > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 00:37:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k055bBU0030528 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:37:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k055b2cn011453; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k055Z1NL093649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k055YpKL083450; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k055Ym0E083373 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1E3D462 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:34:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43BCAFF7.8080505@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:34:47 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking References: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BCB07E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I have From the Neck Up, which I highly recommend. > I think that was the book I looked at that scared me so. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 05:35:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05AZu53013539 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:35:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05AZlY7003054; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:35:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05AZ6Fi026711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05AYxd1040895; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (fed1rmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.241.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05AYuZ5040815 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060105103401.RHXF15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:34:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@indra.com From: Max Callahan Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:33:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Secret Santa and Christmas Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:35:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BCF683.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Wow ...I work a lot, don't look at my emails, and now have a ton to look through! I'm the one who sent you the silks, Genie. I'm very glad you liked them! I was tempted to keep them for myself once I saw them! ;D And I must thank my secret santa for the wonderful embroidery books! One is a Reader's Digest with great reference pics for stitches and the other's a cute little hardback called Stitches in Time. I love them! I think my secret santa was Lalah. (?) I hope that's right. I had so much going on when I got the package I'm afraid like a lot of others it got thrown out before I wrote down who it was from. As for other costume related gifts, I got a copy of All About Wool, Nineteenth-Century Fashion in Detail, and Cut of Men's Clothes! My wonderful husband got me a set of the Hercule Poirot series with David Suchet. Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 06:40:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05Berr1025540 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:40:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05BeiU9007144; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:40:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05BYZ6u032712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05BYXl0069588; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05BYToq069553 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k05BWDZ8001920 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:32:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060105052814.01c61160@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:30:26 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking In-Reply-To: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> References: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:40:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD05BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! "From the Neck Up" is the obvious one but the millinery school I took a course from has some books for sale that are worth checking out: http://www.how2hats.com/booklist.html I found it very easy but made much more sense once someone showed me how to do things rather than trying to read about it. Best of luck, I love millinery, it is a blast and completely addictive! Cheers, Danielle At 08:06 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >Those of you who make hats... > >Would you suggest a good book or two? I'm totally intimidated by the >process but eager to try it if I can get good instructions. I've >seen one book that makes it look easy, but then if it was easy >everyone would be doing it, so I have to wonder. > >Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 09:44:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05EiqhK004449 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:44:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05EigqU031956; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:44:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05Ei6Yb070733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Ei0Jc080959; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Ehv9W080910 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5507.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.7]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A3FD26283B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:43:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c61206$7b2b5920$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net><6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:44:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:44:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD30DA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Suzi, I am so glad you posted this. They simply have all the things i cant have here in Denmark including furfelt blanks for new hats......... Tada da da............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers > > Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to know > that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online catalogue and > ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If anyone has > problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the information. > > www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > > Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 14:20:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JKSlw009956 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:20:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JKH5T009187; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JJeOw042344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JJSG2028339; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k05JJALl028033 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angelalazear@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 4597 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 19:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 19:19:04 -0000 Message-ID: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "angelalazear" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:18:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD7171.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A friend has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of any 'tricks" offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. Thanks in advance, angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 14:33:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JXrhn010139 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:33:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JXjR2023395; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JXJIM044910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JXHTd040527; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JXDX7040449 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:33:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:33:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:33:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 19:33:13.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE212EB0:01C6122E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:33:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD7499.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If the linen is really fine, I'd suggest a hand rolled hem. Most of the time, the standard hemming techniques work with linen. Linen is one of those yummy fabrics that just does what you ask it to. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "angelalazear" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen >Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:18:50 -0800 > >When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A friend >has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of any 'tricks" >offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. > >Thanks in advance, > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >Theatrical Costume Design >"Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: >be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, >and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: >be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." >All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram >W. Shakespeare > >http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 14:35:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JZ1H5010160 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:35:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JYrRb004718; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:34:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JXblZ044949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JTWDT037566; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:29:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JTLd2037366 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuanN-000Ki4-99 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:29:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:28:04 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:34:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD74DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Oooooooo! That takes me back. My mother taught needlework in South London schools, and I can remember going into McCulloch and Wallis with her to order supplies, from an early age. Aladdin's cave! Jean Suzi Clarke wrote > >Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to know >that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online catalogue and >ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If anyone has >problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the information. > >www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > >Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 15:33:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KXaEN011094 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:33:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KXRVN014021; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:33:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05KU50w056189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05KU1OF092914; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k05KTrOh092716 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52841 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 20:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 20:29:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060105201609.01da2a10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:29:32 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola In-Reply-To: <9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> <9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:33:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD8297.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 19:33 05/01/2006, you wrote: >I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet >and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied >cording, but am not quite sure. > >I've been asked to help with this costume. >>>1544 >>>http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >>>I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >>>couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >>>I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >>>appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >>>understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >>>of what/ how it's made? thanks! >> >> >>The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a >>heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small >>for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. I found a fabric with a raised pattern for "Anne Boleyn" a year or so ago. It is red/gold brocade and has a raised pattern all over. It is very lovely and very expensive. It would not do for copying the portrait, but it is an example of a raised pattern being made today. The original might have been "stamped" with a die? You can see mine here if you want. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Cropped-Boleyn.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 15:47:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KlNpY011357 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:47:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KlFQQ026487; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:47:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05KfOfc058115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05KfDor003755; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:41:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Kf9Nh003663 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so2507736nzd for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O8/4PuMqoIa02nBgTqWyhkE4RhfHqcuHYTRJ0tH/+YO772bPE+/OL+E8IqvvIh5+Uk2tdqVvTVXid61xLnPbbSy0B6wDyV0lVW8ihLwQUiL1LDhtuHvgkxlHWGxTQwloDhytXfczfqodPY0GRLPlyaJrXQDlgNbeYfC0h1ooyac= Received: by 10.64.208.18 with SMTP id f18mr1581356qbg; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.16 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:41:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660601051241n43b9884ay774a19591842f3dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:41:08 -0600 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen In-Reply-To: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k05Kf9Nh003663 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:47:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD85D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! There are several things that pop to mind. Most of it depends on the weight of the fabric. In general open work hems for heavy to medium weight and rolled hems for lightweights. If you have a delicate hand an open work hem on a lightweight linen can be lovely. Do be warned though it's very delicate an can be snagged. Openwork hems can be made in one pass to create little open triangles, one additional row can create a serpentine effect or open squares depending on whether you offset it or not. More rows can create further detail. For example a secondary row of squares (made by two extra rows of hem stitch gathering) can be filled in with a ribbon or other decorations. Good Luck. Mari On 1/5/06, angelalazear wrote: > When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A friend > has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of any 'tricks" > offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. > > Thanks in advance, > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 16:26:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LQ2XE012304 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LPrB2026808; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05LLKSM066285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LLE5e039861; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav3.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LL7AE039779 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:21:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:21:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net><9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060105201609.01da2a10@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:21:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 21:21:07.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0F45FD0:01C6123D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:25:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD8EE1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From the portrait, I think these raised circular areas are thread bound rings, such the technique used for thread covered buttons. It might just be that kind of decorative embroidry for that time. If it's embroidry, it looks like the satin stitch in aa heavy thread or metalic yarn. It might be bobbin pace wrapped around the rings. I've never seen that before but the gown designers often tried different things to make something that no one had before. I found this site that talks about raised Elizabethan embroidery: http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/oak/15/eliz.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola > At 19:33 05/01/2006, you wrote: >>I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet >>and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied >>cording, but am not quite sure. >> >>I've been asked to help with this costume. >>>>1544 >>>>http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >>>>I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >>>>couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >>>>I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >>>>appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >>>>understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >>>>of what/ how it's made? thanks! >>> >>> >>>The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a >>>heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small >>>for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. > > I found a fabric with a raised pattern for "Anne Boleyn" a year or so > ago. It is red/gold brocade and has a raised pattern all over. It is very > lovely and very expensive. It would not do for copying the portrait, but > it is an example of a raised pattern being made today. The original might > have been "stamped" with a die? > > You can see mine here if you want. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Cropped-Boleyn.jpg > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 16:32:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LW7dS012422 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LVxZZ031696; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05LVYB0068146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LVSak049050; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LVNe8048879 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-40.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.40]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2006 05:31:17 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:38:25 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD904F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've often looked at the fabrics at http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking about some of these fabrics. Regards, A. Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 16:56:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LuqCI012802 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:56:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LuhEg019154; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:56:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05Ltwvc072534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LttTE069966; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Ltq17069830 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:55:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:55:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:55:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net><9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060105201609.01da2a10@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:55:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 21:55:46.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[C88B1F20:01C61242] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:56:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD961B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you look closely at the pattern of the threads over the circular shape, it does follow a specific pattern. 2 of fabric color then 1 light one. This looks to me as if it is natural brown linen with silver threads on the circular work. The linen may not have any treatment for a shine but used for texture. The petal shapes in the center seen to use 2 stitches for each petal. I see one that has 2 but that one may be painted wrong. I've seen beads that look like that. SO I concluse this is the embossed embroidery with beadwork on natural linen. I think I could create this same texture with these suggestions. The best way to judege it is to try to recreate it using materials of that period. I know you will not find that in modern textiles. This is just my opinion. I have a degree in fabrics and ancient textiles. I was taught to look at the details, research ideas and draw conclusion without being able to test the original fabric. I studied Peruvian mummy fabrics, Egyptian linen and Japanese stitching through history of fabrics. It was a pretty well focused curriculum. I learned lots by just looking at photographs or portraits. I love the details in fabrics, building and nature. I'm a detail person all the way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola > At 19:33 05/01/2006, you wrote: >>I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet >>and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied >>cording, but am not quite sure. >> >>I've been asked to help with this costume. >>>>1544 >>>>http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >>>>I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >>>>couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >>>>I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >>>>appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >>>>understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >>>>of what/ how it's made? thanks! >>> >>> >>>The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a >>>heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small >>>for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. > > I found a fabric with a raised pattern for "Anne Boleyn" a year or so > ago. It is red/gold brocade and has a raised pattern all over. It is very > lovely and very expensive. It would not do for copying the portrait, but > it is an example of a raised pattern being made today. The original might > have been "stamped" with a die? > > You can see mine here if you want. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Cropped-Boleyn.jpg > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 17:02:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05M285N012862 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:02:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05M1xaU023649; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:02:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05M1RqQ073777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05M1L7A074802; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05M1GpT074570 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6838982 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:01:08 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c61243$9828d740$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:01:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:02:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD9757.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I purchased some of the Celtic Cross from them. I used this on my daughters gown. I find it a bit to light weight for myself. If you would like a swatch of it lmk email me directly Lori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 17:13:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05MDJrj013042 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:13:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05MDBoO032018; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:13:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05MCTlg075932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05MCNTM084893; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05MCCN9084714 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6839282 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:12:04 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c61245$1f6146b0$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:12:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:13:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD99F7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.verymerryseamstress.com/court.htm above is a link showing several gown using that fabric. You will have to search through all of the pictures. She might be using of of the same in this one as well http://www.verymerryseamstress.com/maryt31.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 18:38:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05Ncj5J014978 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:38:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05NcZaU023681; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:38:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05NaWhh092830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05NaUfl056630; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05NaOI7056398 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:36:18 -0800 Message-ID: <43BDAD77.6090808@msn.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:36:23 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , Suzi Clarke References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 23:36:18.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3E60A70:01C61250] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I have the Interview with Vampire movie and can help....was movie source.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:38:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BDADFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suzi, if you can't readily come up with a copy, I have the movie and can capture shots of the gown for you and send them to you. Saragrace Suzi Clarke wrote: > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? > (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy the movie, > but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 01:51:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k066pTID024160 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:51:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k066pK7Q004522; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:51:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k066oruO045581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k066omJX026645; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k066ojxd026621 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A050172DF for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISN00712SC9GQ@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:50:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:16:13 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43BDB6CD.6050702@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:51:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE1368.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I personally use a narrow-hem presser foot if the linen is light enough (pick a scrap and test it). I got my NH presser foot from one of those sew-n-vac places for a few dollars; most places that carry presser feet have them for not very much more (the Viking dealer here carries them at $15 or so, as I recall). Roger Kelly Grant wrote: > If the linen is really fine, I'd suggest a hand rolled hem. Most of > the time, the standard hemming techniques work with linen. Linen is > one of those yummy fabrics that just does what you ask it to. > Kelly > > > > "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, > faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers > in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, > despite your fears" > Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > >> From: "angelalazear" >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: >> Subject: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen >> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:18:50 -0800 >> >> When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A >> friend has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of >> any 'tricks" offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> angela >> +++++ >> Angela F. Lazear >> Cabbage Rose Costumes >> Theatrical Costume Design >> "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: >> be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, >> and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: >> be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." >> All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram >> W. Shakespeare >> >> http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 06:10:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BAW63013099 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:10:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BANDf007677; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:10:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06B8OqP073775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06B8OJE050081; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06B8K2M050056 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:08:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ad.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.173]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7C6262859 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:10:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE501F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it in use. I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap that closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished the ground embroidery and have started with the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves and a calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with Eterna Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 greens, and then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with silk. I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole motif has the same flower mirrored 1 time. Its the latest at the bottom: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the grey waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a white watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 06:35:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BZdoM019891 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BZUZi020469; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06BZ0Zj082027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06BYwCO061833; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06BYtai061780 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1078.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.84.56]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D3A3198AC for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:34:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:34:52 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery References: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060106113450.54D3A3198AC@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:35:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE5602.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It is so beautifull! I never thought of making 3d embroidery but it looks so lovely! The hardshaped piece with roses is very nice too. It makes my hand itch to try to make something as nice as your pieces. Your a huge inspiration! Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it > in use. > I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap that > closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished the > ground embroidery and have started with > the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves and a > calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with > Eterna > Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire > embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 greens, > and > then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with silk. > I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole > motif has > the same flower mirrored 1 time. > Its the latest at the bottom: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the > grey waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a > white watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 07:50:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06CoQbT028686 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06CoHPm027061; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06CnWA6092717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06CnUGC092741; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:49:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06CnQQY092700 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Eur240DO4-0003bd; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:49:25 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c612bf$a0513d50$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:49:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FAQs Library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE6789.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k06CoQbT028686 Jumping back online for a little while... I am determined to get things organized around my house and in my office before being on the computer very much. My office has gifts all over the floor for our subscribers who won a contest. In the middle of all that, is a sewing machine I bought yesterday... still in the box! Because I am running behind, I am extending the free access to the Library until Monday at 12 am. Many, many thanks to the people who sent me congrads... I will get back to writing you personally. I hope everyone is enjoying the free access to the Library. For those who are familiar with our policies and why we have them, you can skip to near the end of this message for an update on recent purchases of books, etc. for the Library. For those not familiar with our websites, here's the answers to your questions. An explanation about the rules for the Library and why we charge for access: We do not allow people to download our images to their computers because of the vast amount of time spent restoring the images...also, all the money spent purchasing the originals. Where we differ from a lot of websites is the amount of time we spend restoring our images. You can take a look at http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html to see the process we use for the restoration. Every image on our site goes through this process. We do not simply scan our images and put them online. Another reason for the limitations is the amount of money to purchase these collections. We can't do all this work and not be paid. I have well over $10,000 dollars in publications in my office waiting to go online. Over the years, I have purchased almost the entire decades of publications like Delineator, Ladies Home Journal, lots of Peterson's yearbooks, etiquette books, hairdressing manuals, photo collections, etc... we have teams of people who type the site's contents, others who clean images, and 2-3 webpage designers. The work everyone does is very detailed and time consuming. Then add on the cost of the webspace... which is a LOT per month because for 9-10,000 webpages and over 35,000 images. It took a long time to find a web host who could support the sheer volume of traffic the sites receive, averaging over 500,000 unique visitors per month, and the large amount of content of the websites. On top of that, this is my full time job... not a hobby. I work every night of the week. Those who know me, know I go to bed at 6 am. LOL! Plus, monthly, the student loan people remind me how much three decades of going to college cost. A question frequently asked.... Why don't you just scan the pages and put them in Acrobat? First off, I really dislike the Acrobat software. We spend all this time on the images and text because we believe that the material should be presented in a manner that is easily to read, laid-out format that is pleasing to the eye, and organized. A lot of 19th Century publications aren't formatted in the reader friendly manner. Sometimes the fashion plates were painted the wrong color or the painter missed all the details. This is so common of the pre-1890 fashion plates. Sometimes the descriptions were even mixed up with another one in the issue. We hand-type instead of using a text reading software, because these programs are not 100% accurate. They may be good for a present day text but not very inaccurate for old text on aged paper. Every little speck on a page is picked up by these programs as a character. This causes more time editing. When we do our final edits we may break a very lengthy paragraph to make it easier to read. Sometimes in ( ) I give a brief explanation of a term. Example: waist (bodice) or waist (waistline) OR girdle (sash or belt) not a 1950s foundation garment. Copying rule.... I do not allow people to make more than one copy of a webpage and then to go to a class/workshop and make copies for their friends. Or broadcast the text across email. Or worse yet, put the work on a website and claim it as their own. The last thing has not happened to me, but I do know other webmasters that this have had this upsetting experience. The only exceptions are for groups that purchase a group subscription, such as a school or organization. We also do not allow people to copy and paste our content. This is mainly because students like to go to sites, like mine, and copy and paste our work into their term papers, then claim it is their own work. The no copy/paste rule cuts down on time talking with their teachers about where their students got the information. That's why you see copyrights all over our sites. We have worked on security for years for the sites. A student can't say they weren't warned. We are always trying to stay one step ahead. Some of our collections are not listed in the books on the Library's frontpage. I am waiting to compile more articles in certain subject areas before adding their book to the front of the Library. A good example is a series called Queens of Society. This project started with a book in my collection. It was written in 1860, but when QoS area is complete, it will also include more women's biographies/articles from other publications. I have a very massive collection to add to this new area. To view the items added to the Library over the past year, go to http://www.costumegallery.com/updates.htm . Make sure at the bottom of that webpage to click on PREVIOUS MONTHLY UPDATES. There are no updates for Dec. 2005. Since it is our slowest period of the year, we use Dec. through Jan. 15 to organize. Two areas you may not have been able to access are the Fashion Color Database (FCD), www.fcdatabase.com and the Costume Encyclopedia. I had a tech problem with the FCD earlier which is now resolved. This week, I am typing a new color article to go into the FCD from an 1861 Peterson's magazine. The Costume Encyclopedia is not open even for subscribers yet. There links on the bottom of the some webpages, but are there but not functioning yet. I have the webpages ready for the Encyclopedia but need to do the input into the database. I placed links on those webpages so that I don't have to go back to the pages and add the URL. At this moment the Encyclopedia consists of costumes from three books. You can get previews of some of the Encyclopedia webpages from the Library Updates webpage. Some of the costumes in the Encyclopedia are based on historical figures, some from plays, books, holiday celebrations, fantasy, etc. It is very extensive and a huge organizational project! Look for it to open in 2006. The FCD, Encyclopedia, and Library all work together. So you may see links or logos back and forth to one another. The databases have certain fields listed and links to the direct articles/fashion plates where the costumes or colors are mentioned. Subscribers have access to Library and FDC presently and eventually the Encyclopedia. To do a Search or View All of the contents of the FCD you will need to use these passwords: budnan5 You do not need the login: cg2003, for this section. Below is a listing of some of the publications that I purchased in over the past couple of months. These items will go on the Library's website one day. ***1897 book of illustrations by Charles Dana Gibson with his Gibson Girls. ***1897 book of a year's worth of issues of a German fashion magazine, Der Bazar. ***1860 & 1861 Peterson's Magazine (entire years of magazines) ***Large collection of original costume renderings for French plays from 1890-1909 ***Another large collection of L'Art La Mode French fashion magazines from 1907-1919. These magazines cover all the top fashion designers. ***A History of Men's Hairstyles book ***Three 1892 Young Ladies Journal Magazine... one issue contains embroidery patterns and dozens of fashion plates. ***1913 biography of Rose Bertin. She is considered the first fashion designer. She designed for Marie Antoinette and the French court. I plan to have the entire book online in the Library one day. ***1847, 1860, & 1906 Fashion History books with lots of fashion plates to add to the Costume Encyclopedia. ***1900 Men and Children's Advertising book. This is a book of blanks ads for a retailer to add his business name to. It is a really interesting book from the business side of the industry. ***1918 Pictorial Review Pattern Catalog. Lots of color plates in this one! ***1920 Milady Beautiful magazine... hair and makeup. ***1922 Fashion Theory book, "Color and Design in Dress." This one is different from the one already on the website. ***Fashion Production Terms, Sewing, and Design book. ***1854 & 1914 Etiquette book for Ladies. ***1910 Ladies' Home Journal ***1950s Simplicity catalog will not be in the Library, but fashion color description with be used in the Color Database. ***1856 Frank Leslies fashion magazine ***1926 French civilians costume history book with 300 illustrations ***1812 book with 50 large color costume illustrations of occupations of the people of Britain... I can't wait to get started on this one... everything from the chimney sweep to the military with complete job descriptions. ***Fashion and Famine... won today. ***Another Butterick pattern catalog for fancy dress and masquerade. These are going in the Encyclopedia too. ***1980s "Dress, Journal of Costume Society of America" with an article about Queen Victoria's Masquerade Balls. YIPPEE! I am doing a series in the Library about her Balls from the Illustrated London News. The article gives me a good perspective as to why she gave the Balls. ***1916 book of children's plays including costume illustrations and descriptions. ***Collection of Needlecraft magazines from 1920-1930. Thanks again to all for making it 10 fun years. Well it is 7:49 am... I am an 1 1/2 hours past for bed. The gifts didn't make it into their shipping boxes and the sewing machine is still in its box. They will be tonight's project....along with my Christmas cards that have turned into New Year's cards. LOL! One year they were Mardi Gras cards! Everyone had a good laugh! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 10:34:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06FXsC4031456 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:33:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06FXjRk015569; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06FWg1c010378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06FWanZ086210; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06FWV4c086069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06FWPbG068982 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <23875.65.117.156.5.1136561545.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:33:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE8DD9.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! OMG ... that is just beyond words. Your talent never ceases to amaze me Bjarne. Chiara On Fri, January 6, 2006 5:08 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hi, > As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it > in use. > I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap > that > closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished > the ground > embroidery and have started with > the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves > and a > calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with > Eterna > Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire > embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 > greens, and > then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with > silk. > I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole > motif has > the same flower mirrored 1 time. > Its the latest at the bottom: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the > grey > waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a > white > watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 11:09:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06G9a07032132 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:09:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06G9Rh7012324; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:09:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06G8vjj015239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06G8rgE017188; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06G8lTd017029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k06G8gL70138 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:08:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 06 Jan 2006 10:08:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:08:40 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:08:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:09:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE9637.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, life jumped up and got in the way... So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. Kathy ===================== OHMYGOD! I am green with envy :). Any color pics would be great, references for colors will be fantastic. Pics of the embroidery w/ something to put it in scale would also be very much appreciated. How about pics of the reverse side as well? And best estimates on types of embroidery stitches used? Close-ups of the construction seams and how they are stitched would also be good. Enjoy the 'high' and thanks for being willing to share :). 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Suzi, Try this site www.costumersguide.com Click on the Research link and Interview with a Vampire is one of the movies listed. There are sevral shots of the blue and the green gowns. Enjoy! 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Suzi, Try this site www.costumersguide.com Click on the Research link and Interview with a Vampire is one of the movies listed. There are sevral shots of the blue and the green gowns. Enjoy! Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 12:23:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06HNfYj001068 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:23:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06HNW4H007433; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:23:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06HMsDR031852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06HMpF7084843; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06HMkmG084708 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59316 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 17:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 17:22:40 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060106172109.01d4f738@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:22:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear/late or missing messages In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:23:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEA794.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:08 06/01/2006, you wrote: >I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century >Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to >delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down >from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, >life jumped up and got in the way... > >So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and >wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to >my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am >fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. > >Kathy >===================== > >OHMYGOD! I am green with envy :). > >Any color pics would be great, references for colors will be fantastic. > Pics of the embroidery w/ something to put it in scale would also be >very much appreciated. How about pics of the reverse side as well? And >best estimates on types of embroidery stitches used? Close-ups of the >construction seams and how they are stitched would also be good. > >Enjoy the 'high' and thanks for being willing to share :). Is it just me, or are others missing posts. I didn't get Kathy's original on this topic, and would have like to read it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 13:29:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06ITJov002145 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:29:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06ITAEW030222; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:29:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06ISDKk042975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06IS8Zi048684; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06IS15W048439 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006010613270724894 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:27:07 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id k06IQjMA016133 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEB6F6.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm doing a production of "CATS" and need some advice. - Best paint for painting leotards? (nylon/spandex? cotton/spandex?) I've dyed them solid colors, but only had moderate success with fabric paint in a tube. I need larger splashes of color than those little tubes. My inclination is to use Roscoe supersaturated paints (watered down) 'cause I know they won't wash out...and these will probably need to be washed at some point. Any better ideas? -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas for painting to retain the velour feel? Any help would be appreciated! Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 13:43:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Ih5Gv002363 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Igv7J011717; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06Ig5cv045036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06Ifw5T062317; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:41:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06IfkQu062213 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.129.248.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.129.248] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EuwX2-00034x-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: <43BEB9C7.8080809@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:41:11 -0800 From: Red Bear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! 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I got a lovely piece of wide lace, some chiffon with a woven spot pattern, and very nice roll of gold and white trim. My wife is thinking partlet on her new Italian, I am thinking very fancy ruff for ME. Stephen - Who is never moving during the Holidays AGAIN! Lavolta Press wrote: > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 14:04:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06J4OB9002711 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:04:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06J4FDV001330; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:04:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06J3Ofw048040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06J3JrL082469; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:03:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06J3FPw082350 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:03:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:03:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:03:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 19:03:11.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E7B4A0:01C612F3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:04:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEBF2F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If grad school we used a algae based pigment to make paints to paint on canvas and any other fabric. The mix was mixed up to look like pearly soap then the pigment was added. The color was heat set and permenant when completely dry. Completely laundry friendly once heat set. Check your local fabric store. I know that Walmart has a wide variety of long furry materials, and by the yard at regular width. I saw various colors and definetely "cat" colors and patterns. If you don't find the exact pattern or need slight variations on one pattern, the fur can be painted with acrylic paint, but it will need to be very watered down. Blow dry to make it really permenant. I learned that when my daughter painted on some of her stuffed animals. I don't know if dye will work but I guess that would be according to the fiber content. Attaching it to lycra or stretchable fabrics is usually done with fabric glue in a bottle. In certain areas that have more stretch, you might want to place velcro dots and attach fur after the person has the costume on. Otherwise the lycra will get small and the fur stay large. Most of the fur fabrics do not stretch more thatn a tiny bit. How it affects the stretch is determined by where it is on the dancer/performer. Note of fur: BEFORE you dut the fur, seal the edges with FrawCheck. (or super glue). Be prepared with a hand vac or lint brush. That furry hairy stuff makes quite a mess when cut. It'll get on your face and make you sneeze. Loose little bits can be picked up with the sticky side of duct tape, too. I do just about all of this to keep the flying fur (sorry about that) to a minimum. Remove all fur before drying. DO NOT PUT FAUZ FUR in a dryer. It melts the fur into little stiff puffs. Brushing it out does not remove the damage or return it to the orginial condition. I now air dry all fauz fabrics and puff with low heat dryer. I use a dog brush to brush the fur into shape. I make toys and dolls. This is one of the things I learned when I just threw the toy into my dryer.... then I wondered why it looked so funny. I realized that I melted the fur. Leo the Lion still doesn't look right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur > I'm doing a production of "CATS" and need some advice. > > - Best paint for painting leotards? (nylon/spandex? cotton/spandex?) > I've dyed them solid colors, but only had moderate success with fabric > paint in a tube. I need larger splashes of color than those little > tubes. My inclination is to use Roscoe supersaturated paints (watered > down) 'cause I know they won't wash out...and these will probably need > to be washed at some point. Any better ideas? > > -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? > > -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? > > -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger > actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas > for painting to retain the velour feel? > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Kate > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 15:49:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06KnMQl004625 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:49:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06KnEVN030315; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:49:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06KmcNt062395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06KmWiN071723; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.89] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06KmOaF071591 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:48:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.56.15 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:48:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.56.15] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:48:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:48:25 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 20:48:22.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[8899A1F0:01C61302] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:49:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BED7CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k06KnMQl004625 I like Jacquard products http://www.jacquardproducts.com/ , although I've never tried to use them with fur. Their Neopaque line has great coverage and the Luminere line is good for glitzy effects. I think all of them become permanent with heat-setting. 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Could it be stump work? De -----Original Message----- I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied cording, but am not quite sure. Thanks! Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:20:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LKAOg005023 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:20:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LK1RO012654; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:20:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LJohk066166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LJaD1097462; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05KDX2G078053 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k05KDWKI002092 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:32 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.48.151] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-48-151.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.48.151]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05KDIKh022153 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060103115729.0395ea98@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:12:49 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] photo-decorated dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:20:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEDF01.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have now seen two photographs of dresses from, I'd say, the early- to mid- 1890s, each decorated with photographs. The first photo I saw was published in _American Album_ (SBN-01892-3-395), a paperback 1968 compilation of photographs by American Heritage. This photo is at the bottom of page 9, and the wearer is standing next to a camera on a tripod which bears a sign saying "Felfer the Artist". The owner of the second photo asked a friend of mine, both of whom wonder why the wearer did it, and my friend asked me to post here about it. My guess is that both dresses have to do with the wearer being a photographer's assistant. My friend guesses that their photo might be of a girl in a graduation dress, as the subject looks to be about the age of a high-school senior. Any other opinions? 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Try looking at some of the other dresses in the shots. I found some that were called ball-gowns for that period. Just different colors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" ; "Suzi Clarke" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] I have the Interview with Vampire movie and can help....was movie source.. > Suzi, if you can't readily come up with a copy, I have the movie and can > capture shots of the gown for you and send them to you. > > Saragrace > > Suzi Clarke wrote: > >> >> I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the Vampire" >> and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is the gold >> ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she dances with >> Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? (Tracie Arnold >> does not have it.) I may have to go and buy the movie, but I'd rather >> not!! >> >> Suzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:21:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LLVMY005059 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:21:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LLLPf000530; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:21:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LKm6J066317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LKhY1098156; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Niikr065241 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so2529011wra for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:44:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oi6sZiPmGedPfidT0NkmLNiGxY3G0fus0qsIkrXgoaGgVVFx8jYUQ7pJIfw/VJdkDFVRxLN/T+UdfmQe4ocnNSz/nn5UnNYDsdYOVY9508nZEEo5e2nFit9P+SVFwQD3O3TMxnECTURk6RrWudtixt4Q+HCRYyFl0in6VnbfNiE= Received: by 10.64.148.14 with SMTP id v14mr1677863qbd; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:44:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:44:43 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k05Niikr065241 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Japan Vakation question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:21:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEDF51.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have posted answers to all of these questions. Please check the h-cost archives for Bunka Gakuin, Omotesando, Okadaya, Hanazono, Oeno Park and the Kyoto Museum of Costume. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Japan Vakation question To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20060103144451.B0C08319209@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Does anyone kow more about interesting sites to visit in Japan? We would like to go somewhere in april/mei. I know you can make an appointment to see part of the digitial collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute. http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/coll-e.html This sounds quite interesting. I have the fashion book of the institute. Has anyone has any experience with their digital collection? Is it hard to get permission? The Japanese costume Museum sounds interesting too. Things I am most interested in are Historical costumes, Fabric stores, Gothic Lolita clothing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpcQq005597 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpRtS020178; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LnOP5070231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LnI0v022735; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52106.mail.yahoo.com (web52106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06CmNdI092222 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 2236 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2006 12:48:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PDbs7Q/kR5T7vi+J/HDOlW62oXK/tTLakPJtJq4GCgrOaqXSOdjmOolMIctPsJVOXJsagLqTCWHsfBiOA958VQHIPwQXoDaQv1/v1W2VlWISiSsNyCBILMas9oFOhsSROw40LLs6wUL+x+npX0qy3jN/JsUjf0gd3vSRdWwaC8Q= ; Message-ID: <20060106124817.2234.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:48:17 EST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE660.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, life jumped up and got in the way... This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair of stockings and a pair of chopines. Although I don't have pics of everything I am viewing that day, these are what I can find: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/extcam1.htm http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Drawers.JPG http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ItalianDrawersQEWUMed.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/08/eustn/hod_1973.114.4a%2Cb.htm These items have been variously pictured in books like Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, History of Underclothes, and two of the items will be in the upcoming posthumous Arnold Shirts book - however if my guess is right, they won't deal with actual colours of the embroidery, but most likely will have brilliant drawings of it. So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. I have all kinds of supplies and equipment allowed to me as long as it is non-destructive, which means as long as I don't use a flash, cameras are allowed. I will be bringing along with me a linen tester, magnifying glass, a DMC floss chart for the polychrome embroideries, measuring equipment, drawing supplies, cotton gloves and of course my camera. Adele and I will be measuring everything initially in mm but will translate that to imperial while processing our data so that it is universally readable. Anyone else out there have burning questions you'd like answered about these garments? Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Lphwa005602 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpYjK032252; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LnPgl070242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LnKSN022786; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06Ck0aS091195 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:45:54 -0800 Message-ID: <43BE6688.40509@msn.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 05:46:00 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 12:45:54.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[22203F30:01C612BF] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:51:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE666.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, I may not order much from it as I am across the pond, but it sure looks nice...I can window shop! > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Lpcuk005596 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpSvK022715; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LoaoJ070407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LoWTT023785; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06KJGau046200 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06KJCCZ007871 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:19:12 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:08:09 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601061900.k06J0Dk2079596@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE660.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny: Thanks for sharing all your thoughts about how and why you do so much to your materials. I know what you mean about pages in Acrobat -- they can be a real bear to read, and personally I never touch anything on a website that has to be read in Acrobat, if I can possibly help it. But I do have a question about the work you do to the images, one that I thought others on the list might be interested in also. I wouldn't call what you do "restoring" the images, but "retouching" or even "redoing" the images. The example your web site shows, for instance, explains quite clearly that the *originals* were poorly colored. So changing the color is not restoring, it's redoing. Redoing is a fine goal, but it's a completely different goal. I wondered why you chose to do this in what is in many ways a scholorly venue, where many users (I would think) would be interested in seeing the originals. Or are most of your users not particularly interested in that? I don't mean any criticism of your amazing accomplishment! I am just curious. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:54:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Ls47w005632 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:54:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LruBN022217; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LqcgM070717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LqZQk025501; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LqVlU025342 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1078.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.84.56]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB63BE7B4 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:52:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:52:29 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Japan Vakation question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060106215226.3DB63BE7B4@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:53:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE6F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have tried but I don't get any results Cin wrote: >I have posted answers to all of these questions. Please check the >h-cost archives for Bunka Gakuin, Omotesando, Okadaya, Hanazono, Oeno >Park and the Kyoto Museum of Costume. >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com >Subject: [h-cost] Japan Vakation question >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <20060103144451.B0C08319209@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi, > >Does anyone kow more about interesting sites to visit in Japan? >We would like to go somewhere in april/mei. > >I know you can make an appointment to see part of the digitial >collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute. >http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/coll-e.html >This sounds quite interesting. >I have the fashion book of the institute. >Has anyone has any experience with their digital collection? >Is it hard to get permission? > >The Japanese costume Museum sounds interesting too. > >Things I am most interested in are Historical costumes, Fabric stores, >Gothic Lolita clothing. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:19:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MJUGC006071 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:19:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MJMvx008499; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:19:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MHd4W074024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MHYil046645; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06MHUVP046499 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 13673 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 22:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 22:17:24 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c6130f$407c1a30$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:19:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:19:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEECEA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Dharma (www.dharmatrading.com) has some really nice fabric paints that I have successfully used on some nylon lycra content fabrics. Nothing quite so stretchy as what you're undertaking, but they (the paints) were very washable and were all water-soluble) I was creating a jumpsuit for the Pharoah in "Joseph...Dreamcoat" and utilized stamps to press on my designs in the paint. You might be able to stamp on your animal print. The stamp remains on the surface, giving good color, yet leaving the fabric stretchy underneath since not completely saturated through. > > -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? Fur outlets on the net: http://www.fauxpawfurs.com/; http://www.furoutlet.com/ > > > -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? I usually cut the fur from underneath to avoid the "shedding" problem. It can be sewn that way as well. However, given the show and the kind of fur you will want, I would consider utilizing the new chenille yarns that are available. I recently used them on a dance costume to create a shattered look, and they would probably read as fur if you used the right quantity. The yarn would be easily attached, either by hand or with zig zag stitching. If I were doing the project, I would probably attach the yarn to a loose sweater knit and create my own version of long haired fur. Perhaps even a combo of both, with the yarn providing some length sewn into the fur patches would work. The fur I have found available is all somewhat stiff and does not lend itself to being sewn onto a dance leotard without limiting some of the flexibility a leotard is intended to provide. > > -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger > actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas > for painting to retain the velour feel? > Again, I had success with stamping. You might even use a large piece of sponge to apply the paint to the surface of the fabric. Best of luck angela +++++ Angela F. 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Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:27:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MRrtd006239 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:27:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MRiVU014999; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:27:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MR7qC075618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MR4S5054645; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06JTswm005272 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.250]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060106192947.FESP8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:29:47 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060106131858.02a66490@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:29:43 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200601061900.k06J0Dk2079596@net.indra.com> References: <200601061900.k06J0Dk2079596@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:27:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEEEE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century >Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to >delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down >from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, >life jumped up and got in the way... > >So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and >wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to >my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am >fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. > >Kathy Textiles (weaves, weights, threads and fibers) are what I'd really like to know as well. Mazzaoui documents cotton being used in undergarments by this time, so linen cannot be assumed. Drewl, drewl.... Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:28:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MSBl8006247 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:28:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MS3un032627; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:28:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MQqjS075537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MQmqT054344; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06BqMXI069003 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:52:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:52:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:52:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 11:52:18.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[A558C050:01C612B7] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEEEF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Wow! I'm speachless! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:45 +0100 > >Hi, >As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it in >use. >I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap that >closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished the >ground embroidery and have started with >the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves and a >calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with Eterna >Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire >embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 greens, and >then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with silk. >I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole motif has >the same flower mirrored 1 time. >Its the latest at the bottom: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the grey >waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a white >watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. > >Bjarne > > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:58:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MwdCX006704 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:58:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MwVcs004165; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:58:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MtR9R080434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MtKpS077970; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MtEo1077813 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E04334FA1 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:55:14 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:55:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:58:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEF617.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How odd, this post was sent two - three days ago way before another person had said anything about the possibility of it being stumpwork and now it shows up. Anyway, I have seen something like this partlet but for the life of me I can't seem to remember where or what kind of technique it is. I have a feeling that I have seen the technique done by a long past relative but not sure. De -----Original Message----- Could it be stump work? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 18:00:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06N048n006726 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:00:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Mxtev007837; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MxYod081031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MxUD6081318; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MxOhF081207 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B64334F60 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:59:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear/late or missing messages Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:59:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060106172109.01d4f738@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:59:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEF66C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think the system is hiccupping. I just got one of my posts that I had sent days ago. De -----Original Message----- Is it just me, or are others missing posts. I didn't get Kathy's original on this topic, and would have like to read it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 18:13:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06NDMSP006893 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:13:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06NDElu014298; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:13:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06NCQGE082995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:12:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06NCO4c091958; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06NCJT8091778 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060106231213.RFRC4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:12:13 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060106231213.YKVF18564.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:12:13 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.15/223]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:12:14 +1300 Message-ID: <005001c61316$a19850c0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:12:14 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEF98A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > How odd, this post was sent two - three days ago way before another person > had said anything about the possibility of it being stumpwork and now it > shows up. > Anyway, I have seen something like this partlet but for the life of me I > can't seem to remember where or what kind of technique it is. I have a > feeling that I have seen the technique done by a long past relative but not > sure. There is a pair of sleeves cut from late 17thC fabric that is decorated and has a very similar texture. A close up is seen in Historical Fashion in Detail.. or Historic Fashion in Detail.. I can never remember. Also the sleeves are seen in a catalogue from the Ehizabeth I exhibition at the National Maritime Museum (UK.) Fat cord is covered in the came colour silk as the ground and sewn down with stitches in the same silk. The stitches seem to rest in the grooves of the cording underneath so you get the same texture as the cording. There are bugle beads sewn down and tufts all worked with the same silk as well. I think this is going tobe the closest technique for the partlet. In regards to the recent bugginess. I have requently in the last few months had posts arrive out of order. Not just on this list either. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 6/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 20:51:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k071pilC008889 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:51:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k071pZZJ016386; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:51:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k071ow9I003171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:50:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k071otS6002376; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k071opPw002258 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from MLaventure@aol.com) Received: from MLaventure@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8b.35a99401 (58435) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:50:44 -0500 (EST) From: MLaventure@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.35a99401.30f07874@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:50:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:(h-cost) hatmaking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:51:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BF1EA7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dawn, What kind of hatmaking are you interested in? Do you want to do buckram, felt or straw? Are you looking at flat pattern construction in buckram or pulling on blocks? I have been a professional milliner for 16 years working for Disney and for 10 years at The Pageant of the Masters in Laguna Beach. >From the Neck Up, as others have mentioned, is considered the best reference, but there are other choices based on your area of interest. Millinery requires patience and practice. Lots of both. If I can answer any specific questions, please let me know. Mary LaVenture _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 05:09:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07A9jLw005932 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:09:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07A9S1F013007; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:09:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07A6sKk070376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:08:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JYGHj041399; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net ([216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JY59i041143 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05JXse06863 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:33:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:33:51 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:09:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BF9358.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied cording, but am not quite sure. Thanks! Althea On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Dawn wrote: > Althea Turner wrote: > >> Hello, >> I've been asked to help with this costume. >> 1544 >> http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >> I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >> couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >> I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >> appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >> understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >> of what/ how it's made? thanks! > > > The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a > heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small > for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. > > Not sure what's going on with the headdress in the same fabric. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 05:28:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07ASYE5011039 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:28:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07ASQgC021310; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07AS9Ws072254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07AS5rd036761; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07AS2wp036739 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvBIm29A8-0006QS; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c61375$0b0e0f50$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:28:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:28:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BF97CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Gail, I do the same thing. If a site goes to Acrobat, I shut it down. I gave the software many chances... still don't like it. A very good question... I don't mind answering about my usage of the word restoration. Three definitions of restoration from my old gigantic Webster's Dictionary. LOL! Dusting the book off. Only for you Gail will I dust today! 1. A restoring or being restored. 2. A putting or bringing back into a former, normal, or unimpaired state or condition. 3. A representation of the original form or structure. Reconstruction. Syn. replacement, re-established, renovation, reinstatement, revival, recovery. A modern word in the recording industry is digitally remastered. YUCK! My son gave me a CD for Christmas that wasn't digitally remastered. Sounded like 1960s AM radio. Only gift I have ever returned! The problems with the originals images is that they are in such poor condition.. Water stains, age stains, chipped pages, torn pages, color faded 75% of the time, people writing on the pages, etc. If you could see the condition of some of these images in their raw form, you would say a prayer over them and never touch them. Now some of our collections are in excellent conditions: 19th Century French Peasants book, Bon Ton collection, my recent purchases of the French play costume renderings collection, and the 1814 British occupations books. The 1814 book was made exclusively for a wealthy person in England, and had been in a family collection for years. But I purchased all these at top dollar for my budget. Those purchases are rare for me but I believe their contents will greatly help our website visitors. I actually purchased them more for the subject matter than the condition of the images. Those images need very little work and are more from an organizational project that cleaning the graphics. Go on eBay and see how much the Bon Ton images starting bids are. I will pay high end for certain topics. The money spent on one high-end collection, I could have purchased several other collections in not-so-good condition. Now high end for me, is definitely not what high-end for the art world. Sometimes, I will see these items on eBay and they have no bids because the starting price is too high. I then privately write the dealers or private owner and ask if they can pull the auction and sell to me privately. I explain to the dealer my purpose for needing the collection or book and let them see my online Library. I feel that I am saving a collection that is being split up and sold individually. I can present the collection as a whole. This was the case of the 1814 British collection. The dealer took book apart and was selling them individually. After explaining to him and that I want to save the collection, he came way down off his eBay price and sold me the entire collection. Not only did he sent me the plates, but he included the book's description pages of the occupations. Those pages would have probably ended up in the garbage. What a wonderful soul he is for wanting to sell it as a collection to me. It took a lot of emails to convince him that the entire collection needed saving. As for the French plays renderings... I saw two of these plates on eBay. I wrote the dealer and asked if she had more like it. She had a collection of a couple of hundred of renderings that this artist did for the plays and some for fashion designers. She wanted in the thousands for it. No way! I'm not rich. She gave me an option to purchase the theatrical or fashion designer collections at a lower price. I love the designers, but couldn't pass up the theater. So the fashion designer collection was broken up and sold individually. Made me feel like I had Sophie's Choice. Which child do I love more? When our images in sad condition are repainted, our first step is to make a palette of the colors on the images. Sometimes we do not need to repaint the entire image. But a majority of the pre-1870 images need to be partially or completely repainted. The worse years for bad paint jobs in the books were the 1830-1860s. I have one sad-looking lady (my images are called ladies, men, or children) that I have been working on back and forth for a year. The original painting is so messed up. Kimiko worked on the majority of 1838 images for me. She can testify as to how bad those images really looked. I scanned the illustration pages and photocopied the text pages of that book then put it back on the shelf. It will probably never be open again as long as I own it. When Kim worked on each image, she had a full description of each costume. The original scans are at a high resolution to try to pick up the original colors as much as possible. Believe me when you are repainting these images, you get to a point you want to pull your hair out. The originals are in such bad condition. You just have to get away from it for a few days. When an image is complete, we are on top of the world. It is such a wonderful feeling to completed an image, as the description's author had intended for it to look like. YIPPEE! After 160 something years later, the author's vision has been fulfilled! Other problems occur with these illustrations in the book. The ink in the type in the books have bleed through on the images. The type letter were struck so hard that the ink or impression would go through to the image. When you scan these problem images, the ink or impression shows up in the scan. These problems even hurt the b&w images. So we have to clean that up too. This happened so much in these 1838 images. Being a teacher I learned to read students work upside down or backwards. On a few of these images, I could read the entire corresponding text page *backwards* on the color fashion plates. Want to hear our graphics people grip... work on one of those images! You have to take lots of breaks! When I decided to start this repainting or restoration project of fashion plates, was when I went to the London Gallery and saw a very popular painting. I have forgotten the name of it, but it is the medieval pregnant woman and the man in the beaver hat. I was so-o-o disappointed to see the original, that I almost cried. The oil paint was so cracked and was badly in need of restoration. I thought please just put it in a safe place out of the light to preserve it. If our images were being presented as a piece of artwork or for reselling the actual fashion plates, I could see showing the original scans. But our goal is education of past fashions. I believe people would like to see the details of the costumes and previously didn't even notice them because a painter of the time did a poor job. Our graphic artist who have worked on these images can tell you how frustrating it is to have a dress described in the text as having blue skirt with violet trim and the trim was painted yellow. Or if that dress had a violet sash and it was painted over green because the painter was in a hurry to be paid by piecework. I truly don't believe that the intentions the fashion author was to have these goofs or they would have printed the descriptions as they did. The problem why these goofs were allowed was because these magazines were very popular and I think they needed to speed up production time. The ladies who painted the plates needed the money and were paid by piece. To get more pieces done *some* did sloppy work. Prior to this period the fashion plates painting was so much better. But not as many people had access to these publications, so the demand was low. The painter could take their time. Generally when the painter took their time, their is a big difference in the quality of the images. This is so true in the original renderings of the French plays. My lot contains the original costume designer's renderings for these plays. They are SO beautiful it is unreal! Going on memory, but I think there are about 20 plays represented in the collection. Each sheet has app. five costume renderings. FYI, the bulk of the work behind this project will be the research. I am not that familiar with French plays of that period. I do recognize some of the actresses' names, but I want the homework done before they go on the web. I will spend little time working on the images on the computer because of their excellent condition. The amount of research that goes behind these projects can go on for years. I can't even try to guess the amount of research projects that are on-going. Even when they are on the web, the research continues. Costume research is like genealogy, you turn over one stone and then the next one needs turning over. And then, Oh my goodness, you find a skeleton under all those stones. That leads you to a whole new train of thought. My newest venture is a computer drawing tablet (WACOM to the computer Geeks). I have wanted one since I first saw it at a publishing house in 1996. My husband got me one for Christmas!!! I won't touch tablet until I have read the manual. It looks so promising for speeding up the time we use on images. That leads me to technology.... Once you move into the 20th Century, the printing technology became so much better. The 20th Century images take far less of our time to work on compared to the 19th Century. The 20th Century image colors aren't as faded, the description generally matches the fashion in the plate. The machine print image details are more defined than the 19th Century hand-painted. LOL! Back to the CD being digitally remastered from the beginning of the message. Compare what we do to what the music industry is doing to old recordings. I don't want to call what we do to the images as digitally remastering.... don't think I have mastered but a couple of thinks in my life but giving birth to only male children, and collecting dust. Those things I have mastered! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 08:43:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07DhJ86018433 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:43:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07DhAi4015846; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07DgbOV087839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07DgWIe014903; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:42:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav23.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07DgTTa014869 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:42:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:42:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:42:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 13:42:28.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[337EBC80:01C61390] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:43:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFC56E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have used them in the past, for Renn stuff and 18thCstuff. I like how the fabric drapes, very rich. Not sure I'd want to use this fabric if I were wearing the garment outside, say in Pennsic heat, or warmer. But for indoor events, and where I live, it worked out well. There's a photo of one of the dresses on my projects page http://www.goldenoakinn.com/projects_estela.htm scroll down to the bottom, it's Gavlinne's crown tournement dress. The 18thC dress fabric came from another supplier, long before EBay. It was covered in chrysanthemums, yummy, and made a really nice sacque. Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? > I've often looked at the fabrics at > http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had > used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what > are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you > think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets > you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking > about some of these fabrics. > Regards, A. Garden > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 10:20:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07FKGY8020722 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:20:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07FK5Dk032397; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:20:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07FJNxF012515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07FJLDr054910; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07FJINJ054826 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.24d.4d10468 (15974) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-r28 (mblk-r28.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.18]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-3e6643bfdbe52de; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7E1B4D2ABE78A-C4C-2C53@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> From: taniampembroke@aol.com References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Received: from 65.10.249.52 by mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.18) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? 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Garden writes I've often looked at the fabrics at http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking about some of these fabrics. Hi, I just recently bought some brocade from this store for an elizabethan gown. The fabric is beautiful. The colors are vibrant and the pattern is great. I haven't finished the dress yet, so I don't have pictures, but as long as you know that the fabric isn't period correct I would go for it. Tania M. Pembroke -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:38:25 +1100 Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? I've often looked at the fabrics at http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking about some of these fabrics. Regards, A. Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 11:05:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07G5kZG022040 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:05:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07G5bDT025049; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07G58d3016664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:05:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07G55O2076379; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k07G52bO076307 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 25674 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2006 16:04:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gvke9T+dzkrSbZkWeVX7epcB9opM3q9mpU3WhZ5SLU4N7go+o8yKnHowkwiPDr7UlHColSAzjPf7WfSX0vE7uEOXuOczwcaXbBoNBXZCcNV7bJcMJ6/HJt+J/Y+xAQbzPREP1mI9m3GgQS7WgH1/OGw0xNQzOrIBd1zNmRxBOdA= ; Message-ID: <20060107160457.25672.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.168] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:04:57 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002601c61375$0b0e0f50$6400a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:05:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFE6D1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That's an interesting process. Since I haven't been to your site, these not being my era's of interest, I'll make a suggestion that you may have already done. To help explain your process, show a sample of one of these images in the before and after states. I would think the appreciation factor would go up if it was understood a little more of why you working these images as you are. just a thought alex Penny Ladnier wrote: Hi Gail, I do the same thing. If a site goes to Acrobat, I shut it down. I gave the software many chances... still don't like it. A very good question... I don't mind answering about my usage of the word restoration. Three definitions of restoration from my old gigantic Webster's Dictionary. LOL! Dusting the book off. Only for you Gail will I dust today! 1. A restoring or being restored. 2. A putting or bringing back into a former, normal, or unimpaired state or condition. 3. A representation of the original form or structure. Reconstruction. Syn. replacement, re-established, renovation, reinstatement, revival, recovery. A modern word in the recording industry is digitally remastered. YUCK! My son gave me a CD for Christmas that wasn't digitally remastered. Sounded like 1960s AM radio. Only gift I have ever returned! The problems with the originals images is that they are in such poor condition.. Water stains, age stains, chipped pages, torn pages, color faded 75% of the time, people writing on the pages, etc. If you could see the condition of some of these images in their raw form, you would say a prayer over them and never touch them. Now some of our collections are in excellent conditions: 19th Century French Peasants book, Bon Ton collection, my recent purchases of the French play costume renderings collection, and the 1814 British occupations books. The 1814 book was made exclusively for a wealthy person in England, and had been in a family collection for years. But I purchased all these at top dollar for my budget. Those purchases are rare for me but I believe their contents will greatly help our website visitors. I actually purchased them more for the subject matter than the condition of the images. Those images need very little work and are more from an organizational project that cleaning the graphics. Go on eBay and see how much the Bon Ton images starting bids are. I will pay high end for certain topics. The money spent on one high-end collection, I could have purchased several other collections in not-so-good condition. Now high end for me, is definitely not what high-end for the art world. Sometimes, I will see these items on eBay and they have no bids because the starting price is too high. I then privately write the dealers or private owner and ask if they can pull the auction and sell to me privately. I explain to the dealer my purpose for needing the collection or book and let them see my online Library. I feel that I am saving a collection that is being split up and sold individually. I can present the collection as a whole. This was the case of the 1814 British collection. The dealer took book apart and was selling them individually. After explaining to him and that I want to save the collection, he came way down off his eBay price and sold me the entire collection. Not only did he sent me the plates, but he included the book's description pages of the occupations. Those pages would have probably ended up in the garbage. What a wonderful soul he is for wanting to sell it as a collection to me. It took a lot of emails to convince him that the entire collection needed saving. As for the French plays renderings... I saw two of these plates on eBay. I wrote the dealer and asked if she had more like it. She had a collection of a couple of hundred of renderings that this artist did for the plays and some for fashion designers. She wanted in the thousands for it. No way! I'm not rich. She gave me an option to purchase the theatrical or fashion designer collections at a lower price. I love the designers, but couldn't pass up the theater. So the fashion designer collection was broken up and sold individually. Made me feel like I had Sophie's Choice. Which child do I love more? When our images in sad condition are repainted, our first step is to make a palette of the colors on the images. Sometimes we do not need to repaint the entire image. But a majority of the pre-1870 images need to be partially or completely repainted. The worse years for bad paint jobs in the books were the 1830-1860s. I have one sad-looking lady (my images are called ladies, men, or children) that I have been working on back and forth for a year. The original painting is so messed up. Kimiko worked on the majority of 1838 images for me. She can testify as to how bad those images really looked. I scanned the illustration pages and photocopied the text pages of that book then put it back on the shelf. It will probably never be open again as long as I own it. When Kim worked on each image, she had a full description of each costume. The original scans are at a high resolution to try to pick up the original colors as much as possible. Believe me when you are repainting these images, you get to a point you want to pull your hair out. The originals are in such bad condition. You just have to get away from it for a few days. When an image is complete, we are on top of the world. It is such a wonderful feeling to completed an image, as the description's author had intended for it to look like. YIPPEE! After 160 something years later, the author's vision has been fulfilled! Other problems occur with these illustrations in the book. The ink in the type in the books have bleed through on the images. The type letter were struck so hard that the ink or impression would go through to the image. When you scan these problem images, the ink or impression shows up in the scan. These problems even hurt the b&w images. So we have to clean that up too. This happened so much in these 1838 images. Being a teacher I learned to read students work upside down or backwards. On a few of these images, I could read the entire corresponding text page *backwards* on the color fashion plates. Want to hear our graphics people grip... work on one of those images! You have to take lots of breaks! When I decided to start this repainting or restoration project of fashion plates, was when I went to the London Gallery and saw a very popular painting. I have forgotten the name of it, but it is the medieval pregnant woman and the man in the beaver hat. I was so-o-o disappointed to see the original, that I almost cried. The oil paint was so cracked and was badly in need of restoration. I thought please just put it in a safe place out of the light to preserve it. If our images were being presented as a piece of artwork or for reselling the actual fashion plates, I could see showing the original scans. But our goal is education of past fashions. I believe people would like to see the details of the costumes and previously didn't even notice them because a painter of the time did a poor job. Our graphic artist who have worked on these images can tell you how frustrating it is to have a dress described in the text as having blue skirt with violet trim and the trim was painted yellow. Or if that dress had a violet sash and it was painted over green because the painter was in a hurry to be paid by piecework. I truly don't believe that the intentions the fashion author was to have these goofs or they would have printed the descriptions as they did. The problem why these goofs were allowed was because these magazines were very popular and I think they needed to speed up production time. The ladies who painted the plates needed the money and were paid by piece. To get more pieces done *some* did sloppy work. Prior to this period the fashion plates painting was so much better. But not as many people had access to these publications, so the demand was low. The painter could take their time. Generally when the painter took their time, their is a big difference in the quality of the images. This is so true in the original renderings of the French plays. My lot contains the original costume designer's renderings for these plays. They are SO beautiful it is unreal! Going on memory, but I think there are about 20 plays represented in the collection. Each sheet has app. five costume renderings. FYI, the bulk of the work behind this project will be the research. I am not that familiar with French plays of that period. I do recognize some of the actresses' names, but I want the homework done before they go on the web. I will spend little time working on the images on the computer because of their excellent condition. The amount of research that goes behind these projects can go on for years. I can't even try to guess the amount of research projects that are on-going. Even when they are on the web, the research continues. Costume research is like genealogy, you turn over one stone and then the next one needs turning over. And then, Oh my goodness, you find a skeleton under all those stones. That leads you to a whole new train of thought. My newest venture is a computer drawing tablet (WACOM to the computer Geeks). I have wanted one since I first saw it at a publishing house in 1996. My husband got me one for Christmas!!! I won't touch tablet until I have read the manual. It looks so promising for speeding up the time we use on images. That leads me to technology.... Once you move into the 20th Century, the printing technology became so much better. The 20th Century images take far less of our time to work on compared to the 19th Century. The 20th Century image colors aren't as faded, the description generally matches the fashion in the plate. The machine print image details are more defined than the 19th Century hand-painted. LOL! Back to the CD being digitally remastered from the beginning of the message. Compare what we do to what the music industry is doing to old recordings. I don't want to call what we do to the images as digitally remastering.... don't think I have mastered but a couple of thinks in my life but giving birth to only male children, and collecting dust. Those things I have mastered! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 11:26:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GQEsD022488 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:26:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GQ6BT003416; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:26:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07GPVej018810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07GPSpa088582; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f35.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07GPPB9088525 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:25:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:25:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.138.123.124] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601062118.k06LIEID096368@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:25:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 16:25:25.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6E576D0:01C613A6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: MacCulloch and Wallis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:26:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFEB9E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you so much for posting that, Suzi - I find the staff in the shop very intimidating, so it will be great to order via the safe distance of the internet! Kate >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:42:22 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to >know that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online >catalogue and ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If >anyone has problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on >the information. > >www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > >Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 11:31:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GVING022934 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:31:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GV9x3006411; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07GUf1B019261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07GUeGV091638; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52115.mail.yahoo.com (web52115.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k07GUcTQ091554 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 66128 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2006 16:30:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Enb2VZF6cXwjihinlV3OppevUWIKKXjiYo8hs7ABxiC/mN8HMF8W9pHXEkLV5m63aC/WUeI8jHSG7T/8KJyesZXZ80jV7c+C3A52gcbDEMh4iZy1Gw2xqgOJyMSkWbnNexd0Ej3WKwqsfO5nntBAu4Jp1gcq7vZ8K6T49UjvGaA= ; Message-ID: <20060107163033.66126.qmail@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:30:33 EST Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601061900.k06J0Dk1079596@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFECCD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm still in shock they are letting me do this, to be honest. :-) I'm waiting for the "HA! We got ya!" when I arrive for my appointment. ;-) > OHMYGOD! I am green with envy :). I can take colour pics, but I can't publish them without permission. I can draw to my hearts' content based on my photos, however. I might just set up a photo gallery for like a week or something and say go nuts, I'm taking it down in 7 days... but you never heard me say that. ;-) That was my big sticking point with the photos they have on file- no size reference. I could count the thread of the fabric they were so close up, but with no point of reference, it's useless. I am hoping to get some construction pics and specs as well, I am not sure if they will allow me to move the garments that much though. I really, really hope they do. Ahh, good point, I'll bring my embroidery encyclopedia so I can compare them to something with a proper name, since the world of embroidery and sewing have such inexact or multiple titles for their techniques. I'm trying my best to make this as concrete as possible. I am also going to attempt to "reconstruct" the original wearer so I can better understand *how* these garments were worn. Looking at the underwear, they have significantly different crotch depths. One must have been worn at the hip, the other at the waist. If so, then that alters the length of the leg - did it come to her knee? Above? Below? The sleeves look a bit long just hanging there, just how much was fullness, and how much was arm length? I can't really estimate her girth really since I am dealing with ease in the cuffs, but I might be able to get something out of the stockings with a calf or ankle measurement. My sister-in-law was pre-med and still has ber biomechanics books kicking around. She's going to dig the one up with the human anatomy formulas in it, hopefully I will be able to extract some useful numbers from the clothing and have a better guess at the size of the woman whom used to wear these clothes. Kathy > Any color pics would be great, references for colors > will be fantastic. > Pics of the embroidery w/ something to put it in > scale would also be > very much appreciated. How about pics of the > reverse side as well? And > best estimates on types of embroidery stitches used? > Close-ups of the > construction seams and how they are stitched would > also be good. ******* > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear/late or > missing messages > Is it just me, or are others missing posts. I didn't > get Kathy's > original on this topic, and would have like to read > it. Suzi, As a side note, I am in the middle of scanning the Livrstkammaren Journal right now. I hope to have it done soon. I'll be starting on the translations right after that. This is essentially the original post: I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, life jumped up and got in the way... This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair of stockings and a pair of chopines. Although I don't have pics of everything I am viewing that day, these are what I can find: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/extcam1.htm http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Drawers.JPG http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ItalianDrawersQEWUMed.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/08/eustn/hod_1973.114.4a%2Cb.htm These items have been variously pictured in books like Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, History of Underclothes, and two of the items will be in the upcoming posthumous Arnold Shirts book - however if my guess is right, they won't deal with actual colours of the embroidery, but most likely will have brilliant drawings of it. So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to my own. I have all kinds of supplies and equipment allowed to me as long as it is non-destructive, which means as long as I don't use a flash, cameras are allowed. I will be bringing along with me a linen tester, magnifying glass, a DMC floss chart for the polychrome embroideries, measuring equipment, drawing supplies, cotton gloves and of course my camera. Adele and I will be measuring everything initially in mm but will translate that to imperial while processing our data so that it is universally readable. Anyone else out there have burning questions you'd like answered about these garments? It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k07HwoO5024811 Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my costumes. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k07HxjY2024836 Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my costumes. Sincerely, Becky Rautine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 13:19:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJgws025288 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJXCJ004287; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07IJ5Sd030555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:19:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07IJ0sp053564; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07EcM7v036953 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:38:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:38:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:38:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 14:38:21.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D0DDA0:01C61398] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:19:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C00635.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I found this fashion plate that looks very similar to the one in the movie. It may be a starting point for you. 1870 time period. http://www.costumegallery.com/LadysFriend/Dresses/Color/cos3.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source > > Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, > I > would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very > small fee, depending on your library) > > > ******************************************************************* > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > ******************************************************************* > > >> >> >> Yes, it was a bustle gown. I copied the blue dress, from a >> borrowed DVD, but cannot get it again from the owner. You >> have to "Join" the shop here to rent videos and DVDs, and I >> feel it is a nuisance for just one movie! >> >> Thanks anyway >> >> Suzi >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 13:19:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJvnd025291 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJn3f014723; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07IIJoN030426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07IIIrF052926; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07EVjRB034311 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:31:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? 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I saw this vender at the Ren Faire this year and the assortment was wonderful. I had a hard time deciding what to buy. I found one that is the right color for me and them had to choose the pattern. It was a hard decision. I wanted them all. I bought the garnet and gold Fleur-de-lis fabric. I showed it to a lady that makes costumes for that period and she said it was a great fabric. It isn't the historically correct fiber but it looks like the rich brocades of the 1560 1580. I plan to use my gabric to make a costume similar to one worn by Elenora de Toledo portraits. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? > I've often looked at the fabrics at > http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had > used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what > are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you > think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets > you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking > about some of these fabrics. > Regards, A. Garden > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 13:23:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07INBcx025325 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:23:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IN340006589; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:23:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07IMXJj031057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:22:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07IMUVT056967; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07ILJXx056051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:21:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07Jxl9T025209 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:59:47 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:25:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601071325.00521.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:23:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C00707.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Saturday 07 January 2006 12:58 pm, you wrote: > Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold > > I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this > book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if > you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my > costumes. I don't own a copy, but have you tried Interlibrary Loan? It may also be possible that a local college or university might have a copy. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 14:31:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JVlEJ026791 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:31:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JVc6H018372; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:31:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07JVDwi039740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JV61V096772; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JUJtk096331 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:30:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0C94025F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb40.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.aeb13 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DwBbKQX84wgIAAAAB,a61c022e3b84116b9fb4c9a08332c08a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060107113018.515B0FD0@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k07JUJtk096331 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:31:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0171A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- Althea Turner wrote: Hello, I've been asked to help with this costume. 1544 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of what/ how it's made? thanks! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com Althea, This isn't really an area that I'm very familiar with, so I'm going on what I can see in the portrait. As far as your base fabric goes, wool or silk sounds fine. But as far as the pattern on the fabric goes, I think that you're wrong about velvet ribbon. I agree that the pattern is most likely appliqued, but I don't think it's ribbon - I think that it's cord. Do you have, or can you look at a copy of 'Historical Costume in Detail - the 17th & 18th Centuries' by Avril hart and Susan North? ( Yes, I know the painting is dated 1544 - bear with me :-) ) If you enlarge the portrait ( click on it and go to 100%, any larger and strangely it seems to lose definition ) and look at the edge of the Laura's right sleeve at the shoulder, you can see the profile of the cord above the fabric. I think that I can even make out a twist in the cord, too. Anyway, there are a pair of sleeves, made of green silk, featured in the book, which are decorated/patterned with cord which has been couched on. ( Description on p.28, picture on p.29. There is an even larger picture over pp.10 & 11. ) When ! I first looked at this portrait closely, this form of decoration and these sleeves leapt straight to my mind. As far as the partlet-collar-shawl-thingy goes, my first thought was that it looked like chenille! e.g. http://www.cocochenille.com/2brdichbe.html http://www.home-decorating-co.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=THDC&Product_Code=arabo_toffee_649720&Product_Count=&Category_Code= http://www.minkydelight.com/chwr-110.html http://www.fabric.com/home-decor-fabric-upholstery-fabric-chenille-upholstery-fabric-chenille-fabric-br-diamonds-taupe.aspx Most of these designs are probably too big, but you get the idea. On closer inspection, I have no idea, really, but I think you could probably make a good approximation of the design with this technique: http://www.quiltbus.com/chenilling.htm Or use something like Rya stitch. The headgear is odd, but it certainly looks as if it is the same fabric as the partlet-thingy. Perhaps it is a close-fitting cap or coif, rather than a wrap or headband? Sitting over braids wrapped around the head, which give it that bulgy/padded look? If you made the cap of your base fabric and then added the 'rosettes' to it after you had the shape right...... no, I went back and looked at the picture again, whatever the fabric is, it was woven that way - you can see the partial rosettes on the edge of the partlet and on the front of the headgear, just above Laura's right ear. Well, that's how the original is, but you'll probably have to reproduce the fabric by some kind of embroidery, so my first suggestion is still valid, I guess. Whatever you decide, good luck with your project. Post some pictures when it's done, please? My 2 cents worth. Joannah _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 14:57:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JvD9T027532 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:57:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07Jv4iZ000733; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:57:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07Juhux043231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JucR3012529; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JuTAu012396 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:56:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.157] (pm5-157.eos.net [205.133.149.157]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07JuP4u012253 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:56:25 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:45:15 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601071817.k07IHsWD052591@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C01D10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny: Thanks for that long and detailed explanation. It makes perfect sense that, if your user's primary goal is to get an idea of what the clothes and trims looked like, you would fix up the old engravings rather than redraw them. It's just a different emphasis. I know only a little bit about computer retouching, but I think I know enough to understand how much work is involved. Wow, you all work VERY hard. And you certainly have my sympathies for explaining to ebay sellers that entire old books/collections are important to someone, not just the pictures. Many people don't understand that, and so many great old books/magazines/etc. are destroyed because of it. I think what you do is a wonderful, and I hope you and your workers are proud of your accomplishment! Gail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 14:58:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07Jw1TN027559 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:58:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JvqtV003079; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:57:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07JvOOm043281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:57:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JvOPt013018; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:57:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k07JvJhV012865 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71108 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 19:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 19:57:10 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060107195349.01da5b00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:56:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: References: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:57:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C01D40.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:38 07/01/2006, you wrote: >I found this fashion plate that looks very similar to the one in the >movie. It may be a starting point for you. 1870 time period. >http://www.costumegallery.com/LadysFriend/Dresses/Color/cos3.htm >> >>Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, I >>would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very >>small fee, depending on your library) I have bought the movie, so will have the "real thing" to use. Becky Thanks for the fashion plate - it's lovely. However, I have discovered who made some of the dresses for that film, and they are colleagues of mine, or rather, I was at college with them. This means that once I have a decent shot of the dress, I will know which pattern they used, in all probability, so will be fine. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 16:42:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07Lg0nq029953 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:42:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07LfpOg026785; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:41:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07LetfP053559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07LejiO069040; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07LedAR068945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:40:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EvLnX-0007O4-Ov; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:27 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:27 -0600 Message-ID: <20060107154027.f3je8i1bo7usogkg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:27 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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I got a dressmaker's dummy for Christmas (WooHoo!) It's a Uniquely You off of eBay. :-) And she's just my size. :-) I'm wondering about how compressible that they are. Will she squish down indefinately with a corset? Say, should I have one that fits, and then lace her into it to *that* place because on her it will tighten far more than it does on me? I even wondered about making a couple of different shells -- say one for the appropriate level of "squished-ness" for an Italian -- because I generally don't wear a corset with those. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:04:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M4WHQ030622 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:04:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M4OJN006761; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:04:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07M3weS055972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:03:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M3tOo081727; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M3nYW081655 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:03:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:03:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060107195349.01da5b00@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:03:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 22:03:42.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[38C60B30:01C613D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C03AE8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That might be a good way to "share" what you find out. I love those dresses especially that gold one. Good luck on your search. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source > At 14:38 07/01/2006, you wrote: >>I found this fashion plate that looks very similar to the one in the >>movie. It may be a starting point for you. 1870 time period. >>http://www.costumegallery.com/LadysFriend/Dresses/Color/cos3.htm >>> >>>Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, >>>I >>>would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very >>>small fee, depending on your library) > > > I have bought the movie, so will have the "real thing" to use. > > Becky > > Thanks for the fashion plate - it's lovely. However, I have discovered who > made some of the dresses for that film, and they are colleagues of mine, > or rather, I was at college with them. This means that once I have a > decent shot of the dress, I will know which pattern they used, in all > probability, so will be fine. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:08:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M8TpR030673 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:08:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M8LPR008909; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:08:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07M7fPL056317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M7fNR083890; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M7RbA083731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07Nju7D031290 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:45:56 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:11:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601071711.09640.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:08:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C03BD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Thursday 05 January 2006 4:38 pm, A & J Garden wrote: > I've often looked at the fabrics at > http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here > had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, > what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what > did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or > doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am > thinking about some of these fabrics. I've used two of their brocades for 16th c costumes, and I like the way they handle (haven't tried to clean them yet, though). You can see a gown I made from one of their brocasdes here: http://slumberland.org/moodle/file.php?file=/5/moddata/forum/36/5855/ren1.jpg -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:10:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MAxLh030702 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:10:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MAoNQ010440; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:10:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07MAI8N056544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:10:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MAHCT085366; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MA3Vq085188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07NmWFR031365 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:48:32 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? 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On Saturday 07 January 2006 5:11 pm, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: [snip] > I've used two of their brocades for 16th c costumes, and I like the way > they handle (haven't tried to clean them yet, though). > > You can see a gown I made from one of their brocades here: > > http://slumberland.org/moodle/file.php?file=/5/moddata/forum/36/5855/ren1.j >pg One more thing; you'll need to "log in" to see the picture, but you can do that by hitting the button marked "log in as a guest" and won't need to give any information to do so. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:13:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MDvpW030742 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:13:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MDnqG012043; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07MD1lg056764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MD1x9086742; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MCwjZ086669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EvMIo-0001Qq-ME; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:12:46 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:12:46 -0600 Message-ID: <20060107161246.01djkholmgzocs08@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:12:46 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Dress Dummy ... 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Hopefully it's fixed now. Quoting "Susan B. Farmer" : > I got a dressmaker's dummy for Christmas (WooHoo!) It's a Uniquely You > off of eBay. :-) And she's just my size. > > :-) > > I'm wondering about how compressible that they are. Will she squish > down indefinately with a corset? Say, should I have one that fits, and > then lace her into it to *that* place because on her it will tighten far > more than it does on me? I even wondered about making a couple of > different shells -- say one for the appropriate level of > "squished-ness" for an Italian -- because I generally don't wear a > corset with those. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 23:26:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k084Qc7i004311 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:26:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k084QTqY005246; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:26:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k084PtLR091920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k084Pnmr069845; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k084PjGp069809 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 31626 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31615, pid: 31618, t: 1.7443s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 20:25:43 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:25:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member In-Reply-To: References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:26:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C09475.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 11:01 AM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >If you are going to follow the advice (which I agree with) to use >layers of trim generously, you'll need this site: >http://www.cheeptrims.com/default.asp > >Janet Davis Catching up here. They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you won't be able to use them (recent personal experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is fine. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 00:32:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k085WrW1005080 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:32:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k085Wid9006378; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:32:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k085Vs53096683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k085VpIT096992; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k085Vjlf096969 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-110-126.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.110.126]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k085RJdw027895 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:27:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20060107233224.00a1a1c0@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:39:20 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:32:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0A3FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The Harrisburg near Elizabethtown? If so, there should be a college library in Lancaster that has it - Franklin & Marshall College in the Shadek-Fackenthal Library. According to my map, that's only about 30 miles away. Sheryl N-D At 12:58 PM 1/7/06 -0500, you wrote: > >Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold > >I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this >book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if >you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my >costumes. >Sincerely, >Becky Rautine >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 02:20:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087KQ2T006833 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:20:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087KI88025389; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k087JCo6006087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k087J8Zm044460; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k087IvRA044381 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bhEn6lSbIvOf7jC/dv2Gps4aaVgmEPV9J9BBhIRIfHmsYASHdiz+wLPV+vEWVCgi; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvUpM-0005yj-CR for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims--was, Hello-new member Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:19:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48977b0ca818907a3be2ae89920b5bc1293d22eb99cf5c6dcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0BD32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Catching up here. > > They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you won't be > able to use them (recent personal experience). Fortunately, I have a > friend with a resale number and I just pay him the wholesale plus state > sales tax and everything is fine. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 02:58:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087wb4l007321 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:58:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087wSTX007322; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k087t8pY008758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k087t18Y060841; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k087sCL0060551 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 21732 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 23:54:12 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 21721, pid: 21725, t: 1.0020s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 23:54:11 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:54:01 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims In-Reply-To: <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0C624.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: >>Catching up here. >> >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you >>won't be able to use them (recent personal >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is fine. >> >> >>Joan Jurancich >>joanmj@surewest.net > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > >Melusine My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not fill my order. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 04:30:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k089UieA016690 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:30:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k089UaPt029735; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k089TuJX015200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k089Todc097722; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42410.mail.yahoo.com (web42410.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.233]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k089TmxE097651 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22787 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2006 09:29:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M7GKbDR7f7IGC2wNH3egN/yx9wRsMlfl+WrzWZLs0nzgvHsMNm/Nw/EPXhcaVaUSLYFVGhzo8IUT2+Bp/uLpE2FqBDoCMt7+IMuwAHocDYQ9ylrzBqsMeb2amy9+7GG34XbkK+dxXAYCtLOTAhjlVOFvzdC7YbM+wQgi6uT0bvA= ; Message-ID: <20060108092943.22785.qmail@web42410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.66] by web42410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:29:43 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:30:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0DBBC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! Apologies for leaving this a little late, but I have been trying to get back to normal after the holiday period (cleaning, sorting out, etc), but I received by holiday gift last week. I got a beautiful Elizabethan style necklace, which my daughter has also taken a fancy too! Also, a large bag of sew-on pearls, which I haven't decided what to do with yet. Very many thanks to Wendi for these! Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 05:54:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08AsrWC017860 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:54:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Asi5N030809; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:54:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08AqxEx038288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08AqteT030966; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Aqqkg030946 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvYAN1oBc-0006N1; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:52:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c61441$aef4b3e0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:52:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0EF74.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you Gail. It is truly a labor of love for all of us at the Gallery. We learn so much as we work. I am working on an 1861 article about color usage deals with fashions in paintings. Some eye-opening stuff for the time period. I have a page and a half to type yet. I am surprised how good the eBay dealers are with working with me. Once they see the purpose of the Library, they are very willing to come down on prices and pull their auctions. These dealers in the U.S., England, and France watching out for specific topics for me. Most of these dealers purchase from estate sales. We do have some people who loan their collections to be put in the Library. A member from h-costume has been very gracious to loan some of her collection. In exchange, she receives a free lifetime Library subscription. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 05:55:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Atsjf017894 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:55:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08AtkwV007813; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:55:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08AtUc3038514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08AtT6v031859; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08AtR47031837 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5583.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.131]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CACB55EE034 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:55:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:55:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:55:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0EFB2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise with lots of embroidery, now it is time. In about 14 days i shall remove most of the pictures. Page is here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm The dress is finished and are packed and send away tomorrow. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 06:04:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08B4vON018085 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:04:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08B4mIE002143; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:04:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08B4L0B039371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:04:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08B4IaR035569; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08B41hO035410 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvYLA1DEL-0006PK; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c61443$3d9bc1a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060107160457.25672.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:04:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:04:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0F1D0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Alex, The link I gave, http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html , shows the process of how we clean the images. We have a link on the front page of Library. What time frame are you in? We are adding some costume history books to the Library this year. I already have some of the history book Corsets and Crinoline online. This is not to be confused with the modern day book of the same name. This book was written in the 1860s. The Encyclopedia also touches on other time period. Our biggest problem getting into 18th Century and older is the price of the publication are VERY high. One day maybe we will make enough money to be able to purchase the older items. But for now, I have to depend on the history books, and the 19th & early 20th Century publications. Hopefully this year, we will go into earlier years of the publications to put into the Library. U.S. copyright will not allow us to use publications earlier than 1923. We are going to be stuck with that date for a long time. But France's copyright are for 70 years. I have been collecting French fashion magazines from 1924-1936 to put online. I am wanting to learn French so I can translate them. My husband says that there is a program for learning French. I need to know how to speak, read, and their grammar. I will give that program a try. If I don't get what I want from that, I will take a class at the community college. BTW, I do have a beautiful 1950s Russian pattern catalog. Their copyrights expire very quickly. So that will go online this year. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:27:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DRqSU024476 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:27:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DRimW002436; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:27:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08DR6ZK053256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DR3SP002302; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DR0Pb002243 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A31D01EC; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:26:53 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 08:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c61457$63dd5e00$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:28:14 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:27:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11350.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Re the long fur and washability, any of the types that I have used (in the affordable price range) will matt if they come in contact with heat from either the water or dryer tempts. In my business of more than 20 years, I have had more animal costumes ruined by well meaning customers who washed the costume to save me the trouble! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur > I'm doing a production of "CATS" and need some advice. > > - Best paint for painting leotards? (nylon/spandex? cotton/spandex?) > I've dyed them solid colors, but only had moderate success with fabric > paint in a tube. I need larger splashes of color than those little > tubes. My inclination is to use Roscoe supersaturated paints (watered > down) 'cause I know they won't wash out...and these will probably need > to be washed at some point. Any better ideas? > > -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? > > -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? > > -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger > actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas > for painting to retain the velour feel? > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Kate > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:48:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Dmhnd024842 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:48:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DmZ4B013187; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:48:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08DmFqS055944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DmDfR011585; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DmA9F011534 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A81301E0; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:48:03 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 08:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c6145a$5c793fa0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93><7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims--was, Hello-new member Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:49:32 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:48:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11833.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a resale number and have never been asked for it. The bigger problem is that the minimum order rate is high. (presently, about $75) It is not hard to meet this since I have a business and keep a likely stock for customers in shop..But occasionally I need only one thing and find it annoying to have to fill up the order with "possibles". Kathleen From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims--was, Hello-new member > > Catching up here. > > > > They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you won't be > > able to use them (recent personal experience). Fortunately, I have a > > friend with a resale number and I just pay him the wholesale plus state > > sales tax and everything is fine. > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net > > I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a resale > number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > > Melusine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:51:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Dp2EI024896 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:51:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DosV1014202; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:50:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08DoWrw056097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DoXHx012544; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DoT3S012453 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A89E0248; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:50:22 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 08:50:16 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93><7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net><041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:51:52 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:50:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C118BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had the problem you speak of. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: > >>Catching up here. > >> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is fine. > >> > >> > >>Joan Jurancich > >>joanmj@surewest.net > > > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > > > >Melusine > > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not > fill my order. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:53:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DrMi4024938 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:53:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DrEhV015285; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Dr1hl056212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Dr0nL013572; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DqvuA013538 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:52:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:52:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20060107233224.00a1a1c0@pop-server.kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:52:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 13:52:56.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3D917F0:01C6145A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1194A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Than you!!! I will definitely check it out. I will try my local library and see if they can sen for it. Sometmes they do when it's from another library that isn't in their system. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheryl Nance-Durst" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area > The Harrisburg near Elizabethtown? > If so, there should be a college library in Lancaster that > has it - Franklin & Marshall College in the Shadek-Fackenthal Library. > According to my map, that's only about 30 miles away. > > Sheryl N-D > > > At 12:58 PM 1/7/06 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold >> >>I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this >>book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if >>you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my >>costumes. >>Sincerely, >>Becky Rautine >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:08:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8ObH025260 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8GXm022538; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08E7uUf057319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E7ruu020970; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E7l16020869 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACAA0148; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:07:38 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 09:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c6145d$18cdeaa0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002601c61375$0b0e0f50$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:09:07 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:08:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11CD0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny, another curious question re these pictures.. I cannot remember if there has been any mention of just how these pics were colored originally. I have come across volumes of the same date and publisher in which the colors of the costumes for any given costume plate are entirely different. And not just in tone or quality of brush work. So to follow through with this entry, How Come? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery > Hi Gail, > > I do the same thing. If a site goes to Acrobat, I shut it down. I gave the > software many chances... still don't like it. > > A very good question... I don't mind answering about my usage of the word > restoration. > > Three definitions of restoration from my old gigantic Webster's Dictionary. > LOL! Dusting the book off. Only for you Gail will I dust today! > > 1. A restoring or being restored. > 2. A putting or bringing back into a former, normal, or unimpaired state or > condition. > 3. A representation of the original form or structure. Reconstruction. > Syn. replacement, re-established, renovation, reinstatement, revival, > recovery. A modern word in the recording industry is digitally remastered. > YUCK! My son gave me a CD for Christmas that wasn't digitally remastered. > Sounded like 1960s AM radio. Only gift I have ever returned! > > The problems with the originals images is that they are in such poor > condition.. Water stains, age stains, chipped pages, torn pages, color > faded 75% of the time, people writing on the pages, etc. If you could see > the condition of some of these images in their raw form, you would say a > prayer over them and never touch them. Now some of our collections are in > excellent conditions: 19th Century French Peasants book, Bon Ton collection, > my recent purchases of the French play costume renderings collection, and > the 1814 British occupations books. The 1814 book was made exclusively for a > wealthy person in England, and had been in a family collection for years. > But I purchased all these at top dollar for my budget. Those purchases are > rare for me but I believe their contents will greatly help our website > visitors. I actually purchased them more for the subject matter than the > condition of the images. Those images need very little work and are more > from an organizational project that cleaning the graphics. Go on eBay and > see how much the Bon Ton images starting bids are. > > I will pay high end for certain topics. The money spent on one high-end > collection, I could have purchased several other collections in not-so-good > condition. Now high end for me, is definitely not what high-end for the art > world. Sometimes, I will see these items on eBay and they have no bids > because the starting price is too high. I then privately write the dealers > or private owner and ask if they can pull the auction and sell to me > privately. I explain to the dealer my purpose for needing the collection or > book and let them see my online Library. I feel that I am saving a > collection that is being split up and sold individually. I can present the > collection as a whole. This was the case of the 1814 British collection. > The dealer took book apart and was selling them individually. After > explaining to him and that I want to save the collection, he came way down > off his eBay price and sold me the entire collection. Not only did he sent > me the plates, but he included the book's description pages of the > occupations. Those pages would have probably ended up in the garbage. What > a wonderful soul he is for wanting to sell it as a collection to me. It > took a lot of emails to convince him that the entire collection needed > saving. As for the French plays renderings... I saw two of these plates on > eBay. I wrote the dealer and asked if she had more like it. She had a > collection of a couple of hundred of renderings that this artist did for the > plays and some for fashion designers. She wanted in the thousands for it. > No way! I'm not rich. She gave me an option to purchase the theatrical or > fashion designer collections at a lower price. I love the designers, but > couldn't pass up the theater. So the fashion designer collection was broken > up and sold individually. Made me feel like I had Sophie's Choice. Which > child do I love more? > > When our images in sad condition are repainted, our first step is to make a > palette of the colors on the images. Sometimes we do not need to repaint > the entire image. But a majority of the pre-1870 images need to be > partially or completely repainted. The worse years for bad paint jobs in > the books were the 1830-1860s. I have one sad-looking lady (my images are > called ladies, men, or children) that I have been working on back and forth > for a year. The original painting is so messed up. Kimiko worked on the > majority of 1838 images for me. She can testify as to how bad those images > really looked. I scanned the illustration pages and photocopied the text > pages of that book then put it back on the shelf. It will probably never be > open again as long as I own it. When Kim worked on each image, she had a > full description of each costume. The original scans are at a high > resolution to try to pick up the original colors as much as possible. > Believe me when you are repainting these images, you get to a point you want > to pull your hair out. The originals are in such bad condition. You just > have to get away from it for a few days. When an image is complete, we are > on top of the world. It is such a wonderful feeling to completed an image, > as the description's author had intended for it to look like. YIPPEE! > After 160 something years later, the author's vision has been fulfilled! > > Other problems occur with these illustrations in the book. The ink in the > type in the books have bleed through on the images. The type letter were > struck so hard that the ink or impression would go through to the image. > When you scan these problem images, the ink or impression shows up in the > scan. These problems even hurt the b&w images. So we have to clean that up > too. This happened so much in these 1838 images. Being a teacher I learned > to read students work upside down or backwards. On a few of these images, I > could read the entire corresponding text page *backwards* on the color > fashion plates. Want to hear our graphics people grip... work on one of > those images! You have to take lots of breaks! > > When I decided to start this repainting or restoration project of fashion > plates, was when I went to the London Gallery and saw a very popular > painting. I have forgotten the name of it, but it is the medieval pregnant > woman and the man in the beaver hat. I was so-o-o disappointed to see the > original, that I almost cried. The oil paint was so cracked and was badly > in need of restoration. I thought please just put it in a safe place out of > the light to preserve it. > > If our images were being presented as a piece of artwork or for reselling > the actual fashion plates, I could see showing the original scans. But our > goal is education of past fashions. I believe people would like to see the > details of the costumes and previously didn't even notice them because a > painter of the time did a poor job. Our graphic artist who have worked on > these images can tell you how frustrating it is to have a dress described in > the text as having blue skirt with violet trim and the trim was painted > yellow. Or if that dress had a violet sash and it was painted over green > because the painter was in a hurry to be paid by piecework. I truly don't > believe that the intentions the fashion author was to have these goofs or > they would have printed the descriptions as they did. The problem why these > goofs were allowed was because these magazines were very popular and I think > they needed to speed up production time. The ladies who painted the plates > needed the money and were paid by piece. To get more pieces done *some* did > sloppy work. Prior to this period the fashion plates painting was so much > better. But not as many people had access to these publications, so the > demand was low. The painter could take their time. > > Generally when the painter took their time, their is a big difference in the > quality of the images. This is so true in the original renderings of the > French plays. My lot contains the original costume designer's renderings > for these plays. They are SO beautiful it is unreal! Going on memory, but > I think there are about 20 plays represented in the collection. Each sheet > has app. five costume renderings. FYI, the bulk of the work behind this > project will be the research. I am not that familiar with French plays of > that period. I do recognize some of the actresses' names, but I want the > homework done before they go on the web. I will spend little time working on > the images on the computer because of their excellent condition. > > The amount of research that goes behind these projects can go on for years. > I can't even try to guess the amount of research projects that are > on-going. Even when they are on the web, the research continues. Costume > research is like genealogy, you turn over one stone and then the next one > needs turning over. And then, Oh my goodness, you find a skeleton under all > those stones. That leads you to a whole new train of thought. > > My newest venture is a computer drawing tablet (WACOM to the computer > Geeks). I have wanted one since I first saw it at a publishing house in > 1996. My husband got me one for Christmas!!! I won't touch tablet until I > have read the manual. It looks so promising for speeding up the time we use > on images. That leads me to technology.... > > Once you move into the 20th Century, the printing technology became so much > better. The 20th Century images take far less of our time to work on > compared to the 19th Century. The 20th Century image colors aren't as > faded, the description generally matches the fashion in the plate. The > machine print image details are more defined than the 19th Century > hand-painted. > > LOL! Back to the CD being digitally remastered from the beginning of the > message. Compare what we do to what the music industry is doing to old > recordings. I don't want to call what we do to the images as digitally > remastering.... don't think I have mastered but a couple of thinks in my > life but giving birth to only male children, and collecting dust. Those > things I have mastered! > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:08:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8oUS025270 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8g2X005744; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08E8UP5057370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E8TeH021387; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E8OoB021324 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:08:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:08:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 14:08:23.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC772010:01C6145C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:08:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11CEA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > Hi, > I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of > you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise > with > lots of embroidery, now it is time. > In about 14 days i shall remove most of the pictures. > Page is here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > The dress is finished and are packed and send away tomorrow. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:18:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EITCm025509 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:18:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EILOB026995; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:18:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08EHW8Z058379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08EHTnd025814; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08EHP0M025752 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 63746 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 14:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 14:17:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:17:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:18:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11F2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play >of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how >to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about >this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've >looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as >large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions >on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 >yards across? It has to be large for that character. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on a computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern paper, but there are various methods that will work. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:34:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EXwKd025812 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:34:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EXobp002080; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08EXPRI060342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08EXHfU033643; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08EXEfJ033612 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:33:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:33:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 14:33:14.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[753EBE60:01C61460] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C122CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the >>Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the >>hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the >>first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for >>a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the >>pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how >>to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It >>has to be large for that character. >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >> >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > > If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by > Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply > widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre > front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it is > on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on a > computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern paper, > but there are various methods that will work. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 12:13:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08HDtd1029576 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:13:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08HDjnb025029; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:13:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08HDFY9076042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:13:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08HD9ds018078; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08HD67T018049 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8B0183E3 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:13:05 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb25.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.43aa525b.bdf7c for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DwUggUBl/vQIAAAAB,7c3b29bdf756d4de61ea61f3ba4d89dc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:13:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C14849.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank-you for the info, Suzi. I am certainly having problems with it. It could well be a bug on my end, but whenever I go to 'enlarge view', the website freezes, and the only way to close the site is to 'control,alt,delete'. Yup, just went back and checked, as long as I don't try to 'enlarge view' it's fine, as soon as I click on 'enlarge view' - freeze! Frustrating. Otherwise, I found materials on there that I wasn't aware existed, so that's good. Joannah ( who now has to go 'ctrl,alt,delete'..... ) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Suzi Clarke" > > Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to >know that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online >catalogue and ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If >anyone has problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the >information. > > www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > > Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 12:47:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08HlsIX030423 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:47:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Hlk8X012296; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Hklwd080167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Hkj8w037631; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08HkeYr037542 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 93412 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 17:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 17:46:31 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060108174548.01da5528@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:46:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers In-Reply-To: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:47:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C15042.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 17:13 08/01/2006, you wrote: >Thank-you for the info, Suzi. > >I am certainly having problems with it. It could well be a bug on my >end, but whenever I go to 'enlarge view', the website freezes, and >the only way to close the site is to 'control,alt,delete'. > >Yup, just went back and checked, as long as I don't try to 'enlarge >view' it's fine, as soon as I click on 'enlarge view' - freeze! > >Frustrating. > >Otherwise, I found materials on there that I wasn't aware existed, >so that's good. > >Joannah >( who now has to go 'ctrl,alt,delete'..... ) Thanks. It isn't happening to me, but I will pass on your message to Victoria. suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 13:02:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I2ZVo030778 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:02:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I2RHN021067; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08I16b0081541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08I15FI044884; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08I12i9044859 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 4983 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 10:01:01 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4976, pid: 4977, t: 0.7396s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 10:01:00 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108095724.02342bd0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:00:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060108174548.01da5528@127.0.0.1> References: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060108174548.01da5528@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:02:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C153B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 09:46 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >At 17:13 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>Thank-you for the info, Suzi. >> >>I am certainly having problems with it. It could well be a bug on >>my end, but whenever I go to 'enlarge view', the website freezes, >>and the only way to close the site is to 'control,alt,delete'. >> >>Yup, just went back and checked, as long as I don't try to 'enlarge >>view' it's fine, as soon as I click on 'enlarge view' - freeze! >> >>Frustrating. >> >>Otherwise, I found materials on there that I wasn't aware existed, >>so that's good. >> >>Joannah >>( who now has to go 'ctrl,alt,delete'..... ) > > >Thanks. >It isn't happening to me, but I will pass on your message to Victoria. > >suzi I didn't have any problems with the enlarged views. I am running Windows XP and have a cable internet connection. I did notice that the fabric widths are not always given (the trims I looked at had the widths). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 13:09:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I9Fru030885 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:09:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I97he025013; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:09:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08I8d98082171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08I8cf5048718; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08I8YHN048687 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 11521 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 10:08:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 11514, pid: 11515, t: 0.8903s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 10:08:32 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108100144.02446e98@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:08:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims In-Reply-To: <007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net> <007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C15543.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time. And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It was $60 when I ordered in June 2005. Joan At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had >the problem you speak of. > >Kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joan Jurancich" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims > > > > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: > > >>Catching up here. > > >> > > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you > > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal > > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and > > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is >fine. > > >> > > >> > > >>Joan Jurancich > > >>joanmj@surewest.net > > > > > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a > > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > > > > > >Melusine > > > > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, > > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had > > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not > > fill my order. > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:24:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JOXw7032460 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:24:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JOPVU006150; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:24:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JNuvt089945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JNpX1090424; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JNlXS090358 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so3091912nzd for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:23:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j+QsA2KKwBIX2jOfrp7dq2ZHrvfjnd2AEz32yx5GeaMBeeJC3lNWvuXJgfkR28gv4vODTrYx/Xz4zGb0c49AiL/gIlmfpSVqaOTNtCet0x9mYNT9w7QBJ5raLDgfCCj4+sh3OWZ4drqNhkASmLtvkgrSLmv7SprJhMUnJ/iFctU= Received: by 10.65.119.10 with SMTP id w10mr2349123qbm; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:23:41 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k08JNlXS090358 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Japan Vacation question (was: re: Japan Vakation question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:24:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C166E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>re: Japan Vakation question >I have posted answers to all of these questions. Please check the >h-cost archives for Bunka Gakuin, Omotesando, Okadaya, Hanazono, Oeno >Park and the Kyoto Museum of Costume. Deredere, Sorry you didnt find the words in the archives. Try Kyoto, Tokyo, Japan, kimono, they all come up with Japan related messages from me & others. You can also try the email address I used when I lived/worked in Tokyo. I posted as cynthia_barnes@phoenix.com. The words I gave you previously might be useful in searching the web. Bunka Gakuin - a womens college and fashion museum, look thru their older catalogs, I bought everyone ever published when I lived there. Omotesando - where the cosplay kids hang out, also Tokyo's answer to the Champs Elysee Okadaya in minami-Shinjuku, Tokyo - the best sewing store on the planet (beats G-Street & Britex hands down) Hanazono - temple with flea market sometimes Oeno Park - Tokyo National Museum, cherry blossoms, just plain lovely park. the Kyoto Museum of Costume - wonderful, often closed for rearranging the displays. Meiji-jinja - an imperial museum, sometimes it court clothing, sometimes armor, sometimes just dec arts owned by or given to emperors. and if your trip gets postponed, which I hope not, check out the Gion Matsuri (festival of the ages) in Kyoto, maybe July, maybe August. I've heard that there's a historical parade of fashions from the 9th to the 19th c. I thought I had the catalog from 2001 and cant seem to find it. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:38:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Jcl2r032678 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:38:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Jcdo4014507; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JcKXd092437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JcJO8099541; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JcHBI099520 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:38:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so3820059nzp for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DpsML1KxVzZtAaRZTcWBRzWRKqHqf5oTpHUbaF7EwUN5ZBSKC8cfcwnIdPgp1ptMunL6S/3fK0ZPyZWdu/VbGhYx+UHRHU7SRhwP5hi+Lu/8XaqYA3qqNUoFqUCE39wyRyLyIm0pj2u+SicvIigQvBm4hfRVa1SK73lGZTaCXzU= Received: by 10.65.133.10 with SMTP id k10mr2354592qbn; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k08JcHBI099520 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Japan Vacation question (was: re: Japan Vakation question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:38:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C16A3F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On 1/8/06, Cin wrote: > >>re: Japan Vakation question Minor corrections: Omotesando - Tokyo's answer to the Champs Elysees Harajuku - where the cosplay kids hang out near Yoyogi Park, also a stop on the Yamanote train line --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:42:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Jgpc9032736 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:42:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JghH4016809; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:42:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JgMQI093034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JgMGG002429; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JgFqr002314 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04322 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:10:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:10:24 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108100144.02446e98@surewest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:42:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C16B33.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Joan Jurancich wrote: > Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business > is located. That is very likely the case. At least one of the wholesale dealers I order from (out of state to me) notes that if you live in their home state, you need to provide a resale license, but otherwise they don't seem to care. A few of my dealers require it of everyone. It's possible that the laws on this vary by state, too. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:56:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JusNg000413 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:56:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JuiA0024701; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JpAG2094131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:51:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Jp9hg007887; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Jp6XA007808 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k08Joxp21261 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060107113018.515B0FD0@dm20.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060107113018.515B0FD0@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <31AD7C7A-6A92-401C-BE68-E0F0E142ABB1@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:50:57 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:56:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C16E7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My grateful thanks to all who commented on this painting and garments. I think I have a handle on what is going on, at least enough to make a fair run at it. I will stop by the library to day to pick up Fashion Detail. I was also looking at Patterns of Fashion and found some similar couched cording in some of the photographs. I look forward to working on this. :D As for the design on dress, I agree with Joanna and it was likely a cord or braid. I gave the client the option of velvet or braid, depending on her comfort level. Again my thanks! Althea On Jan 7, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > --- Althea Turner wrote: > > Hello, > > I've been asked to help with this costume. > 1544 > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html > > I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a > couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. > > I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon > appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really > understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of > what/ how it's made? thanks! > > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > Althea, > This isn't really an area that I'm very familiar with, so I'm going > on what I can see in the portrait. > > As far as your base fabric goes, wool or silk sounds fine. But as > far as the pattern on the fabric goes, I think that you're wrong > about velvet ribbon. I agree that the pattern is most likely > appliqued, but I don't think it's ribbon - I think that it's cord. > Do you have, or can you look at a copy of 'Historical Costume in > Detail - the 17th & 18th Centuries' by Avril hart and Susan North? > ( Yes, I know the painting is dated 1544 - bear with me :-) ) If > you enlarge the portrait ( click on it and go to 100%, any larger > and strangely it seems to lose definition ) and look at the edge of > the Laura's right sleeve at the shoulder, you can see the profile > of the cord above the fabric. I think that I can even make out a > twist in the cord, too. Anyway, there are a pair of sleeves, made > of green silk, featured in the book, which are decorated/patterned > with cord which has been couched on. ( Description on p.28, picture > on p.29. There is an even larger picture over pp.10 & 11. ) When ! > I first looked at this portrait closely, this form of decoration > and these sleeves leapt straight to my mind. > > As far as the partlet-collar-shawl-thingy goes, my first thought > was that it looked like chenille! e.g. > > http://www.cocochenille.com/2brdichbe.html > > http://www.home-decorating-co.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? > Screen=PROD&Store_Code=THDC&Product_Code=arabo_toffee_649720&Product_C > ount=&Category_Code= > > http://www.minkydelight.com/chwr-110.html > > http://www.fabric.com/home-decor-fabric-upholstery-fabric-chenille- > upholstery-fabric-chenille-fabric-br-diamonds-taupe.aspx > > Most of these designs are probably too big, but you get the idea. > > On closer inspection, I have no idea, really, but I think you could > probably make a good approximation of the design with this technique: > > http://www.quiltbus.com/chenilling.htm > > Or use something like Rya stitch. > > The headgear is odd, but it certainly looks as if it is the same > fabric as the partlet-thingy. Perhaps it is a close-fitting cap or > coif, rather than a wrap or headband? Sitting over braids wrapped > around the head, which give it that bulgy/padded look? If you made > the cap of your base fabric and then added the 'rosettes' to it > after you had the shape right...... no, I went back and looked at > the picture again, whatever the fabric is, it was woven that way - > you can see the partial rosettes on the edge of the partlet and on > the front of the headgear, just above Laura's right ear. Well, > that's how the original is, but you'll probably have to reproduce > the fabric by some kind of embroidery, so my first suggestion is > still valid, I guess. > > Whatever you decide, good luck with your project. Post some > pictures when it's done, please? > > My 2 cents worth. > > Joannah > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 15:26:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08KQ8Cn000985 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:26:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08KQ0NC008850; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:26:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08KPQmY097427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08KPMqM027361; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08KPIV5027331 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:25:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.162]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F83747FE91 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:25:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004501c61491$b25f20b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:25:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:26:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C17558.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Becky, Is it an oval pannier you are looking for? Should it be straight at the top, or curved in the sides? If you are going to make such a huge frame, i would suggest you to use another hoop wire. I have used Wissners krinoline wire in the heavy weights, but if your frame is going to be straight in top, it will not hold. I would suggest you to use a thick cane in stead. Jean Hunnisets panniers are good. If you want the french shape, the top hoop hangs two far down. I have altered the frame because i wanted it to be at elbow hight. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the >Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the >hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the >first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for >a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the >pictures I've found have been very helpful. > Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how > to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It > has to be large for that character. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM > Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >> Hi, >> I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of >> you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise >> with >> lots of embroidery, now it is time. >> In about 14 days i shall remove most of the pictures. >> Page is here: >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >> The dress is finished and are packed and send away tomorrow. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 15:55:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08KtseB001736 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:55:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Ktjcc026132; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:55:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Kt4Tn099912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Kt1q3043002; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Ksvsh042943 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.162]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B50EB262850 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:54:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c61495$d41311e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:55:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:55:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C17C51.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread was two slippery, i lost the stitches all the time. Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a little easyer for me. I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches to each cm. This meens that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 16:16:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08LGakT002293 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:16:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08LGRLn005693; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08LGBUW001573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08LG7Zx053385; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08LG2JB053354 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4569A8AB97 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:16:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C1814A.5070708@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:16:58 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1812B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin Netherton wrote: > At least one of the wholesale dealers I > order from (out of state to me) notes that if you live in their home > state, you need to provide a resale license, but otherwise they don't seem > to care. Businesses are required to collect taxes (or note exemptions) for in-state sales. If you mail-order from another state they aren't required to collect or report sales taxes for the other state. Or that's how it used to work, anyway, back when I had a business. So out-of-state sales require no extra paperwork. In-state retail sales means there's tax forms to fill out. Speaking of trims... I recently found TrimFabric.com as an interesting supplier of discounted trim. The selection varies considerably, though. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:33:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MX8bt004271 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:33:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MX0ku015699; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:33:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08MWPlj007795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MWKpe090686; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MWG6d090646 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so54416nfc for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:32:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f0pLGYc+L11lcfMTDXwNTcsYUHnHlZYpFwkV2HvmMkT5QaNXlno6gWC93dn9kGUdHcFDNoqD3yXBMh/wY+B1H9cwP0+K/OkPGR37xy6p19u71mJcYoYKSiOK8UeL+Xk1Q8DWNn5JFj+3QSmfNUrEh5d2JyzZQK/mOAZtmzANGzo= Received: by 10.48.30.19 with SMTP id d19mr868439nfd; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:32:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601081432q190f8e1ei@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:05 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise In-Reply-To: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k08MWG6d090646 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:33:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1931C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of > you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise with > lots of embroidery, now it is time. Thank you for warning us. I grabbed pictures for inspiration. And let us know how the client likes it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:38:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08McBFe004406 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:38:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Mc3bv018412; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08MbVhd008330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MbU0e093377; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MbQU3093303 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05416 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:05:29 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:05:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:38:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1944B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a "Camelot" calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular image of the medieval. My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the Hildebrandt or movie stuff. Almost went for Hiroshige. I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space photos, and Edward Gorey.) I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a better time of it than I did. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:43:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Mhhps004772 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:43:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MhZqZ021110; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:43:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Mh57N008759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Mh3Ar096023; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MgnsV095886 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:42:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:42:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:42:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 22:42:45.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[D81DEDF0:01C614A4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:43:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C19597.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have used Ms Hunnisett's 18thC hoop pattern, it balances beautifully! All I did was scale it up! At the bottom edge mine is 2 yards across. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >> At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the >>>Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the >>>hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the >>>first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere >>>for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some >>>of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how >>>to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? >>>It has to be large for that character. >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>> >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >> >> >> If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by >> Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply >> widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre >> front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it >> is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on a >> computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern paper, >> but there are various methods that will work. >> >> Suzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:56:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MueZB005290 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:56:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MuWOw027840; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:56:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Mu5lZ010103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Mu3Zm002829; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MtxTQ002737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k08MsXLv031261 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:54:33 -0600 Message-ID: <43C198AA.2080208@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:56:42 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:56:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C198A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Bjarne, I hope the lucky recipient of the dress sends pictures wearing it! Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 18:32:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08NWgaX006135 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08NWYGB015381; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08NVvbh013647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08NVpBa021771; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08NVhE3021659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 7088 invoked by uid 507); 9 Jan 2006 10:31:34 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 10:31:34 +1100 Message-ID: <01a201c614ab$a6f67290$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c61495$d41311e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:31:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1A112.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Have you taken into account the stretch of the stocking? 40cm seems like a very large diameter. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] knit stockings >I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread was two slippery, i >lost > the stitches all the time. > Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a little easyer for me. > I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches to each cm. This meens > that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. > Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 19:33:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k090XCbH007609 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:33:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k090X3uJ015366; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k090WPLG020361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090WIK1052428; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090WEYK052366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Evkx8-0003sE-9F; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:02 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:02 -0600 Message-ID: <20060108183202.rmrqqgir4hpkosg8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:02 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1AF3F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Robin Netherton : > > I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall > calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing > medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, > neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a "Camelot" > calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen > before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy > over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular > image of the medieval. *giggle* I got that one too. > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > photos, and Edward Gorey.) Wonder if the publisher would respond to a letter writing campaign? Wonder if some other Calendar publisher might pick up on the idea? > > I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a > better time of it than I did. > Not calendar-wise, but I am waiting on my copy of "Moda a Firenze" to show up! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 20:25:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091PtDn008939 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:25:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091PkJX011476; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:25:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k091PR1O030117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k091PPjh081110; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k091PKZB081072 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from felis.lover@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so1458474wra for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:25:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hvRpbHmePM2NHg7pSB4ynQGPTiLPrd9Mhc/eqY3CzSti+z9iPO29mfhfOblHaqAm0YntjRiqFgOnTMejzAqRdtj6pCza+Z9tlAz/uMaFzC+SHJ0F/REuaa6+zvphFfXrtSvw9hSdTuSvU2gBonLghhisMpFXmxFD9GpqczNe0/I= Received: by 10.54.132.15 with SMTP id f15mr7100379wrd; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.105.18 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:25:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:25:19 -0800 From: Karolee Smiley To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another period program on tv X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:25:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1BB9A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k091PtDn008939 Costume related viewing, Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? The title seemed dubious, but I thought I would check it out anyway. (It just started on the National Geographic channel for those interested) So far it appears to be a standard documentary, with just a sensational title. In the short bit I have seen, costumes superficially seem okay. And the history is correct so far (although we are still on Catherine). Its not my focus period and I haven't seen much yet. I'll have to keep watching to see how the program turns out. Kaitlin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 20:55:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091tDgr010187 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:55:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091t5ri028750; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k091sUNs034681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k091sRXr097703; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k091sPwY097645 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9806 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 01:54:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xoTlt26EBVM+DSKodnuOX5j93xEWsyXLY8uzsvMPOaJBNk9ZuPn6net3a1nmATCP96QSna73lBrlj7CRaWuYN4ekrPEmp0eQjr2VFiuNvYw91hFiosgChAsTbpGacT6kq57V2uWV0YAVGvihueQjXQn2QS7yKmWXtp5oCya9C4I= ; Message-ID: <20060109015419.9804.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:54:19 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000b01c61495$d41311e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:55:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C279.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread > was two slippery, i lost > the stitches all the time. > Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a > little easyer for me. > I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches > to each cm. This meens > that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. > Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? > > Bjarne Ok, that translates to 12.5 sts/inch--I believe that is in the range for good stockings in the eighteenth century. You may also wish to try, if you are not allergic, a fine worsted-prep yarn for your stockings. Use a similar size thread of wool that you have been of cotton. Wool is much, much, much nicer to knit than cotton or silk. And 40 cm is only about 16 inches (to respond to another poster), so that is not ridiculous. If you knit [wool] stockings to the measurement of your leg, they will be all baggy & not sleek and smooth. I've heard between 75% and 90% of your leg measurement, but 100% at the ankles for ease to don the stocking. 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:08:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0928Mpc010326 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:08:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0928EPv004157; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0927rNC036395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0927rgw004726; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08NLQis015402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k090xobN007888 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:59:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:08:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C58E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sunday 08 January 2006 6:05 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall > calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! You can say *that* again. I was really frustrated when I did my calendar shopping. Sally Queen & Associates's 2006 calendar features costume of the American "Wild West" period, a period in which I have almost no interest. > I saw nothing > medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, > neither of which is very useful for costume. Saw those too, and agree. > I settled for a "Camelot" > calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen > before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy > over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular > image of the medieval. I settled for the "Old Masters' Paintings" calendar, which has some nice closeups of 16th c portraits with nice costume detail. I know that's not your area of interest, Robin, but I ended up making an Italian Renaissance gown for a LARP this past summer, and have developed a slight interest in that area as a result. > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it. > Almost went for Hiroshige. > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > photos, and Edward Gorey.) I miss the Medieval Woman calendar too. > I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a > better time of it than I did. I suspect not. I looked pretty hard for calendars with costume-related images, and the selection was truly dismal. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:09:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0929Kp1010337 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:09:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0929CDq005520; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:09:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0927eJY036352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0927dSu004605; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MpHck000143 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.105.6faea5f5 (4539) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:51:06 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:51:06 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:09:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C5C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it means? Thanks. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Save the earth; it's the only planet with chocolate. "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:11:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BVSc010366 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BMRe005935; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0929UAw036661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0929UkS005715; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090mITA060707 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06241 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:16:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:16:31 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection In-Reply-To: <20060108183202.rmrqqgir4hpkosg8@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:11:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C64A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > > photos, and Edward Gorey.) > > Wonder if the publisher would respond to a letter writing campaign? IIRC, we (on this list) tried that a few years ago when the series was discontinued. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:11:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BgRP010373 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BYfN006035; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0928k3k036526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0928keS005271; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090W2LV052287 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.106.34.135]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:32:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c614b4$163aaa10$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93><7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net><041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris><7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net><007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> <7.0.0.16.2.20060108100144.02446e98@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:11:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C656.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! What company are you all talking about? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims > Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business > is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they > only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since > they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have > found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or > 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time. > > And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It > was $60 when I ordered in June 2005. > > Joan > > At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had >>the problem you speak of. >> >>Kathleen >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Joan Jurancich" >>To: "Historical Costume" >>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims >> >> >> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: >> > >>Catching up here. >> > >> >> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you >> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal >> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and >> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is >>fine. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>Joan Jurancich >> > >>joanmj@surewest.net >> > > >> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a >> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. >> > > >> > >Melusine >> > >> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, >> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had >> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not >> > fill my order. >> > >> > >> > Joan Jurancich >> > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:38:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092cxll011093 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092coPt021790; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k092bDqX039340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092b8OC019923; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k092b5Dx019900 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 10636 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 18:37:04 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 10629, pid: 10631, t: 0.6789s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 18:37:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108183337.02448630@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:37:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" In-Reply-To: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:38:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1CCBA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 02:51 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a >"twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know >what it means? Thanks. > >Nancy In order to extend the life of a dress, one can take it apart, turn the pieces inside out, and turn the skirt top to bottom and back to front as well, then sew it back together. That way the faded outside is turned inside, and the worn parts are put in places where the fading/wear is not as obvious. It's a sign of extreme poverty to turn a dress a second time. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:54:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092slxj011559 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:54:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092scKX031183; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k092r3jL041192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092r1L9028789; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092qoDQ028671 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07132 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:06 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:05 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection In-Reply-To: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:54:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D06E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. > > Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it. It has been in every store I've seen. The cover is yellowish background with the big illustration of Smaug on the hoard of treasure, and the word "Tolkien" at the top, and "The Hobbit Calendar 2006" at the bottom. If you look at Amazon's listing, they have the *wrong* image -- there's an Alan Lee "Lord of the Rings" *2007* calendar shown as the main image (customer-submitted). Click on the small image, and you'll see the correct one, but with a green background color; probably a pre-publication image made before final printing, or maybe it was done in several colors. Walmart has the same error; maybe the image was sent from the publisher by mistake. The description also does not match the contents of the one I bought, even though the ISBN is the same. What a mess. Ah, here: Correct image, different ISBN: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0007208138 Lord knows what you'll get if you try to order any of these :-( I actually have all of the images from this calendar in a 1979 large-format, slipcovered edition of his paintings, but it's nice to have them on view on the wall. (OK, I also have most of them in oversize postcard prints, too, of which I framed seven many years ago, but those pictures are in a box somewhere. Am I a geek? I bought these when they were first released, in the late 1970s.) I have always liked Tolkien's art; it's got a rather spare, primitive (in the artistic meaning of the term) feel to it -- not what you'd expect from an English intellectual! In fact, I almost bought the calendar of Hiroshige (Japanese) landscapes because they harmonized nicely with the Tolkien images. (I keep my calendars side-by-side on the wall, to show two different months for reference.) (I also display Japanese Imari china alongside my medieval art museum posters in the dining room; the color choices and decorative elements are very harmonious. A perfect blend, in fact, with the minium-orange and lapis-blue French provincal print I made into curtains. I am a period-purist in my historical reproductions, but not in my home decor.) OBCostume: Ouch, that's hard. There's absolutely no costume content in the Tolkien images. He showed very few people, and these are very tiny. It's mostly landscapes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:58:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092wU9U011636 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:58:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092wMEZ000743; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:58:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k092vtJZ041722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092vp83031311; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092vmeR031274 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k092vk4u000965 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:57:46 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:46:00 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601090208.k0927vc6004788@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: twice-turned X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:58:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D14E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Nancy: If I recall my Louisa May Alcott years correctly, a "turned" dress was one that had been taken apart and put back together with the fabric that used to be on the inside now on the outside, so that it did not look as worn or stained. So I guess a "twice-turned" dress was on that had been taken apart and put back together a second time. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 22:29:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093ThGW012912 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093TYKu019921; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k093TEEF044477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093TDTT047143; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093T9cG047100 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvniW1fT0-0000rq; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:29:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c614cc$dda4d950$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D89E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin, you are lucky girl! I love coming across sales like that! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 22:29:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093ThGQ012913 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093TZcl021570; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k093T5Yv044449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093T2cJ047011; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093SxZh046970 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y25so524419nfb for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:28:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IW9Xtw+Yk6BNQ8CscDjSoBk+ZRDXXcBYBrx3UNvv2C0SqrCYsDtFHCDFBXbTa39CK3RumngIud1FrJc3/JUSqTfwyCsSiunA9Kpj3R1OR1H0VEII6QZhtWtu6XDZcQQWcrCRMsCEc/PbHCRImmi7KbqzbnsOElpmM6WoJbamXiU= Received: by 10.48.30.17 with SMTP id d17mr874408nfd; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:19:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601081819h737202a5g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:19:52 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" In-Reply-To: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k093SxZh046970 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D89F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a > "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it means? This is just a guess, but I know that when suits got old and stained, they took them apart and resewed them with the pieces inside out, so that the side that was against the body would end up on the outside. That side would be less damaged than the exposed side. Speculation here, but a twice-turned dress could have been remade twice so the better side was facing out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:17:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094HVcH014234 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:17:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094HMef017650; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:17:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094GmpG049454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094Gjjr072131; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094GdJl072025 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006010904163301400qdrj1e>; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:16:33 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:16:30 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:16:30 +0000 Message-Id: <010920060416.8844.43C1E39D000EE63D0000228C22007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E3D2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We also had the same problem finding any calendars with a medieval theme. So this year we bought a calendar that dealt with France. Each day has a picture that dealt with a place or object of France; and each month dealt with a different location in France. We decided to choose this calendar because it is my long time wish to go to France. My fiance' has already been there when he was stationed in Europe. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Robin Netherton > > I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall > calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing > medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, > neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a "Camelot" > calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen > before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy > over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular > image of the medieval. > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. Almost went for Hiroshige. > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > photos, and Edward Gorey.) > > I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a > better time of it than I did. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:21:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094LcYE014305 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094LUos020147; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094L8B2049909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094L89d074524; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav24.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094L4Gq074456 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.38.123 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:20:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.38.123] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060108183202.rmrqqgir4hpkosg8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:05 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 04:21:00.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[189666D0:01C614D4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:21:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E4CA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k094LcYE014305 While not as useful as The Medieval Woman calendars, there were a couple of possibilities out there if you didn't wait for the after-New Year sales and patronized the right bookseller. Pages from the Spinola Hours were reproduced on 1 calendar and are beautiful examples of "squashed bug" style illumination. Pages from the Kennicott Bible, a 1476 Spanish manuscript, were reproduced on another. Several years ago, my local newspaper had a piece on BrownTrout Publishing and how they had achieved success in the calendar business by going for "niche" topics and I've thought they would be a good place to try for a "People in the Middle Ages" calendar. (Even if they aren't still publishing it, I'm sure Workman would be inclined to lawsuits if someone else did a "Medieval Woman" calendar.) They have a web site, http://www.browntrout.com/index.asp , if anyone wants to write them. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:24:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094OVFa014339 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:24:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094ON6l021874; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:24:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094NnOH050132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094NnHT075887; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094NjJ8075838 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:23:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:23:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:23:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 04:23:40.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[78210510:01C614D4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:24:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E577.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How might I get that pattern? Is it in a book I might find at the library? It seems I need to find the library that has all these costuming books. I plan a day to go over to Lancaster, PA to visit one of the libraries recommended for me. I'll ask my local library if they can borrow the ones we can find in the area. I appreciate the help. I know what I want to make just not sure how to MAKE it work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >I have used Ms Hunnisett's 18thC hoop pattern, it balances beautifully! All >I did was scale it up! At the bottom edge mine is 2 yards across. > Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >> Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Suzi Clarke" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >> >> >>> At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>>>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of >>>>the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make >>>>the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since >>>>the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked >>>>everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I >>>>need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>>>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on >>>>how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards >>>>across? It has to be large for that character. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>>>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >>> >>> >>> If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by >>> Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply >>> widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre >>> front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it >>> is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on >>> a computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern >>> paper, but there are various methods that will work. >>> >>> Suzi >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:28:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094So7r014404 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:28:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094Set9024130; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:28:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094SE1O050477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094SD0M078126; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav18.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094SAxh078082 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:28:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:28:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 04:28:06.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[169EE720:01C614D5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E678.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! HI NANCY!!! This is Becky Rautine. I'm in the same costuming discussion group. I just saw your post and recognized your name. Maybe I need to just ask you these questions. You'd be my expert... and within reach of my home. I will share my sketch of the dress as soon as I get it into the computer. I'd appreciate any advice you can give a beginner. I'm very good at the sewing and stitchery, but the period costumes are new to me. I'm making a Mother Hinger costume for my daughter's ballet this next Christmas. Any suggestions? It's a robe a la francaise type like Marie Antoinette puffy one. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" > Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a > "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it > means? Thanks. > > Nancy > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Nancy Spies > Arelate Studio > _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ > (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) > > Save the earth; it's the only planet with chocolate. > > "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, > someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares > about > the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, > their > jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who > believes > we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our > policies > abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm > a > 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:09:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09591mL015461 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:09:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0958p0j016458; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:08:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0957oYS055077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0957lha099987; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0957hPH099942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-158.sonic.net [209.148.113.158]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0957ecu007715 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:07:42 -0800 Message-ID: <43C1EFA0.1070200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:07:44 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection References: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:08:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1EFE3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>ear! >> >> > >You can say *that* again. I was really frustrated when I did my calendar >shopping. Sally Queen & Associates's 2006 calendar features costume of the >American "Wild West" period, a period in which I have almost no interest. > > I'm interested in a wide variety of eras. I used to get the Medieval Women calendars. I have gotten all of the Sally Queen costume calendars except this year's, and the year when they did children's costume. For 2006, I got a calendar of fashion plates from the _Gazette du Bon Ton_, called the "Golden Age of Fashion." It is sold on this web page: http://www.rsvp.com/index.cfm?function=home&SubCatID=9&catid=19 I haven't seen it, but Workman Publishing did a 2006 calendar called "Shoes Gallery." Bata Shoe Museum has done a nice calendar or two--I got one a few years ago, but haven't seen one for 2006. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:23:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095NKVw016538 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:23:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095NABu024056; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:23:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095MdCk056438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:22:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095MbWU008044; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095MWAL007969 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.13d.2296dee4 (57365) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:22:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.2296dee4.30f34d0e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:22:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:23:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1F33E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:28:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: I'm making a Mother Hinger costume for my daughter's ballet this next Christmas. Any suggestions? It's a robe a la francaise type like Marie Antoinette puffy one. ********************** We did "Nutcracker" every year at school [NCSA]. I remember our Mother Ginger was played by the tallest man in the dance department. The huge pannier was at 1st made of plywood and weighed like 800 pounds. Later it was fashioned out of PVC pipe....the plastic piping plumbers used. What a relief for the dancer! He also wore plasterer stilts....or something like them, that made him over a foot taller. We made long frilly pantaloons to cover these....and you did catch a glimpse of them when the children [8 or them] promenade out from under her skirts and, after their minuet, run back under. The contraption looked like an open robe with a contrasting petticoat but in reality the skirts were all attached to the pannier and the bodice was separate. The dancer would pull a cord at the point of the bodice and the [faked] petticoat part would draw up like an Austrian curtain to let the children out and back in. The gown was all cinnamon and coffee-with-cream colored taffeta with lots of swags and huge satin flowers and bows in pastel colors at the top of the panniers....decorated with white lace. She looked like a big fancy iced cake. She had a towering 1770s do with a huge delicate mob cap with lace and bows and things perched on top. A great costume. The dancer would swing those big "hips" back and forth while the children danced their minuet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:32:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095WJCe016823 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:32:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095WBma028966; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095VjUS057076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095Vhcb012952; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:qui/XAf0PeeTSHPxkZESpdVuMpfNS3eT@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095VeBN012922 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.62] (206-124-5-62.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.62]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k095UWm11358 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:30:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:32:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1F55B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:41:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095fHVQ016949 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:41:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095f7JD001101; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:41:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095edfd058038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095eaJ4017633; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095eVES017537 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.230.4e39c93 (57365) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1F773.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? ******************************* It doesn't do that in "Lady Jane", does it? Must be the cut of the dress....unless she is pregnant [with Elizabeth?] :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:54:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095shCD017628 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:54:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095sZHP007741; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095s3Za059716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:54:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095rubT024881; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095rlUA024677 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.96.355b3874 (2519) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:53:39 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:53:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FA9B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I usually do English. And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It gets COLD there. Thanks for your forbearance, Tea Rose In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:34:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair of stockings and a pair of chopines. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:57:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095vWPW017786 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:57:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095vOYp009012; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:57:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095uXQf060122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095uXQu026873; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095uSe4026746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097Z4VO021842 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:35:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:00:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601090100.17367.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:57:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FB44.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:21 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > > > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. > > > > Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it. > > It has been in every store I've seen. The cover is yellowish background > with the big illustration of Smaug on the hoard of treasure, and the word > "Tolkien" at the top, and "The Hobbit Calendar 2006" at the bottom. I don't remember seeing it here, and the picture on Amazon (that you give the URL for below) would not have sold me; I was thinking of line drawing instead of color art for some reason when I thought of Tolkien's own art. [snip] > > (I also display Japanese Imari china alongside my medieval art museum > posters in the dining room; the color choices and decorative elements are > very harmonious. A perfect blend, in fact, with the minium-orange and > lapis-blue French provincal print I made into curtains. I am a > period-purist in my historical reproductions, but not in my home decor.) Of course not. Our home has a bit of an international flavor too. > > OBCostume: Ouch, that's hard. There's absolutely no costume content in the > Tolkien images. He showed very few people, and these are very tiny. It's > mostly landscapes. Right, I know that. Even so, I was having trouble finding landscapish calendars I'd want to buy. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:59:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095xMoV017802 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095xD9o017799; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095wZJG060322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095wZfw028014; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095wWwB027951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097b7F7021896 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:37:08 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:02:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> <43C1EFA0.1070200@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <43C1EFA0.1070200@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601090102.22031.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:59:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FBB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Monday 09 January 2006 12:07 am, Lavolta Press wrote: > >>ear! > > > >You can say *that* again. I was really frustrated when I did my calendar > >shopping. Sally Queen & Associates's 2006 calendar features costume of > > the American "Wild West" period, a period in which I have almost no > > interest. > > I'm interested in a wide variety of eras. I used to get the Medieval > Women calendars. I have gotten all of the Sally Queen costume calendars > except this year's, and the year when they did children's costume. I have almost all of the Sally Queen calendars myself. I too am interested in a wide variety of eras; it's just that the Wild West is one of the few that I'm *disinterested* in. > > For 2006, I got a calendar of fashion plates from the _Gazette du Bon > Ton_, called the "Golden Age of Fashion." It is sold on this web page: > > http://www.rsvp.com/index.cfm?function=home&SubCatID=9&catid=19 > > I haven't seen it, but Workman Publishing did a 2006 calendar called > "Shoes Gallery." Bata Shoe Museum has done a nice calendar or two--I > got one a few years ago, but haven't seen one for 2006. I need a wall-sized calendar with spaces for the days big enough to write in; I saw the "Shoes Gallery" calendar; I believe it's small sized-too small to be useful as a calendar to me. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 01:00:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0960ond017826 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:00:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0960g3e010750; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:00:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09602qY060459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k096027f028841; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095xvGJ028737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097cWeL021948 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:38:33 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:03:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601090103.46619.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:00:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FC0A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Monday 09 January 2006 12:31 am, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham > Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down > from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making > her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's > silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it > pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. > I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who > can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the > actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Is it possible that the *actress* was pregnant at the time of filming and the costume was deliberately cut to obscure that fact? I have no idea, I don't follow what goes on with actors, it was just a thought. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 01:13:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k096D85G017962 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:13:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k096CxET016855; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:13:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k096CMqt061324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k096CLMc035169; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k096CGgb035100 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58576 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 06:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 06:12:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:11:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:13:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FEEB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >sylvia@ntw.net writes: > >I don't think I've ever seen it >pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 02:37:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097bYpe028928 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:37:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097bPhA024803; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:37:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097axFX067739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097asIX076072; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097anHt076016 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2892C5E133 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IST00CNTEHCGT@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:36:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:36:47 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: [h-cost] English underwear (was: Italian Underwear) In-reply-to: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43C2128F.8010709@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:37:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C212B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Generally established as true. Yes, England is cold. And, no, not everybody wore 70 pounds of clothing (I exaggerate!). But - Go to http://costume.dm.net/overview.html and read. There could be 8 layers of cloth (or more), and while many of them could be silk or linen, in cold weather you can bet there was wool also. That site (http://costume.dm.net) is an excellent one to peruse, particularly for doing English 16th century. Roger TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: >Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear >drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I >usually do English. > >And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It >gets COLD there. > >Thanks for your forbearance, >Tea Rose > >In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:34:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) >From: Kathy Page >Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear > >I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document >their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning >collection and a pair of chopines. >This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, >knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short >period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the >collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure >with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair >of stockings and a pair of chopines. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 02:50:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097oBqi032375 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:50:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097o3So031208; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:50:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097nLe2068737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097nJlv082553; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097nF7D082496 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k097nB9v015563 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:49:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:49:06 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-Reply-To: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:50:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C215AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings! Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going to make much difference except for possibly during activities like horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles (rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers would be rather immaterial. Cheers, Danielle At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear >drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I >usually do English. > >And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It >gets COLD there. > >Thanks for your forbearance, >Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 03:00:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0980kw0002638 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:00:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0980c7C004178; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:00:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097xpZM069311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097xlVj087922; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097xhM4087879 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k097xb9v017082 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:59:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014913.01d0f040@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:59:31 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv In-Reply-To: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com > References: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:00:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C21826.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 07:25 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Costume related viewing, > >Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? >The title seemed dubious, but I thought I would check it out anyway. (It >just started on the National Geographic channel for those interested) >So far it appears to be a standard documentary, with just a sensational >title. In the short bit I have seen, costumes superficially seem okay. And >the history is correct so far (although we are still on Catherine). >Its not my focus period and I haven't seen much yet. I'll have to keep >watching to see how the program turns out. > >Kaitlin OPINION ALERT! Well, I watched it tonight - I thought the women's costuming was 10x worse than the men's (as usual) with rather odd headdresses in particular. In my opinion it greatly resembled the 19th century view of the 16th century - it was to Henry and his wives what many in the 19th century thought of "poor Mary Queen of Scots" and "the evil Queen Elizabeth" - their ideas (not mine!!!!). I found it to be rather tabloid feeling in its approach to the entire thing, and while strictly correct in facts, attributed a lot of emotions that I think they would be hard pressed to document. Catherine of Aragon came across as the wronged noble, almost saintly queen, and they stated outright that Henry went mad as he got older! Anyway, it was an interesting counterpoint to Starkey's account and worth watching once. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 03:32:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k098W3f8011271 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:32:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k098Vtg0020538; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:31:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k098VXwA071921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k098V3nD002053; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k098V1av002039 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so3467545nze for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FaPVRqPUAeA/xli/qak85jT1zWxNyIYT4dhmJqwidSwMTfzRyleUcCM+L9GpTUTJNR6wWjSsUdcQvMQ0c60dkWvbnUbzid+gFu/rX7PW7rpXqlEeIyN4TtBW10F7Ko9ymdRXgmA2m0aw9o3+YzZRBaO1EZFJymID9n9uss+GIs0= Received: by 10.65.177.14 with SMTP id e14mr6314084qbp; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k098V1av002039 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:31:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C21F7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello all- I'm sending this post to literally everyone in my email address book, (most especially the h-costume list.) At a minimum, it will serve as a sad reminder to never leave anything of value in your car even if you're too tired to take it inside after the event. One of my sewing buddies, Toni Whyte (SCA Genevieve de Vendome), had her beautiful Elizabethan 12th Night costume and jewelry was STOLEN from her car in front of my friends' house in Fremont, Calif last night. Below is a detailed list of the missing items which are of great sentimental value (not to mention a lot of work on the part of many SCA artisans). Several pictures are also posted online at: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos The album is "Stolen gown belongs to Toni aka Genevieve." Please cross post his missive to any and all lists that you can think of in hopes of locating the stolen items; with only six degrees of separation, hopefully someone somewhere will see these if & when they surface. (It's already gone to several SF-SJ-Oakland area SCA groups.) If anyone hears or sees anything resembling these at pawn shops / antique stores / clothing resale shops / email lists/ ebay, please let me know: rachael DOT keish AT gmail DOT com. I'm offering a reward for the gowns and pendants, no questions asked, just to try and recover them. Sincerely, Marguerite du Royon AKA Rachael Keish (and Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com) ____________________________________________ Stolen item descriptions: - A custom made rennaissance-type pendant of 22 kt. gold, emeralds, and a black baroque pearl. Piece is a dolphin being ridden by a sea-nymph. Black baroque pearl forms the dolphin's head, and the dolphin is suspended from a green emerald pin by two chains. An emerald dangled also below the dolphin. - Laurel's medallion pendant in a renaissance style. Cloisonnee, with a background of gold with a green laurel wreath, within a silver frame. The laurel pendant is suspended from a pin by two chains, and three freshwater pearls dangle from the bottom of it. - Custom-made 16th Century Elizabethan gown, with hoop skirt and corset. White brocade, with gold trim. Sleeves are made of strips of brocade with gold trim, that have white silk organza puffs between 2 kinds of buttons. - The matching gold pill-box-type round hat has embroidery and pearls around the sides, and a red cross of toulouse embroidered on top. - Custom-made red velveteen open gown/ropa/overgown with gold silk lining. Short rounded sleeves, made of crossed-strapwork trimmed in red and gold braid, with white silk-organza puffs showing through. The collar shows the gold lining and has two red Cross of Toulouse embroidered on it at each corner. - Ruby cabuchon earrings, with three seed-pearls. - Costume jewelry set of necklace, bracelet, and earrings. Gold plate with red marquis shaped stones. (If you're in the 'hood & can lend a hand, thanks for the help. And if you're too far away to help, go ahead and look at the pictures anyway. Toni's workmanship is quite something.) --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:14:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BEO0Y012646 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:14:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BEDBB008727; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:14:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BDZHO084953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BDSaP074396; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BCpAl074157 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:12:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:12:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:12:51.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1702FC0:01C6150D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:14:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C24585.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A twice turned dress would mean that the skirt was first taken off and flipped upsidedown, so the former hem is at the waist, then taken apart again and flipped inside out, or maybe the panels are sideways to what they were. Poverty sucks! But, often you could tell the stature of a woman, because she worn fabrics that could not be 'turned', the fabrics with large prints along the bottom, that fade to smaller ones at the waist, for instance, would be difficult to turn nicely. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" > Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a > "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it > means? Thanks. > > Nancy > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Nancy Spies > Arelate Studio > _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ > (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) > > Save the earth; it's the only planet with chocolate. > > "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, > someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares > about > the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, > their > jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who > believes > we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our > policies > abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm > a > 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:24:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BOrrh014841 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:24:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BOjP9014254; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BOKSf086160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:24:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BOCfQ079591; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:24:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav11.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BO1ew079505 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:23:58 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:23:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:23:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:23:58.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F2D79C0:01C6150F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:24:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C247FD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I had some serious issues with a lot of H Bohnam Carter's clothing in the episode I watched last night...What were those things on her head??? That and the shape of the dresses. The stays in this period would have been close to what she had on, but would have come in to her actual waist, while not chinching it. Her breasts totally disappeared in the bodices, they would have shown a bit, it looked like the bodices were biult for another actress who was much larger. The shape of the skirts also bothered me a bit...too linear, without any bell at all in some of them. But that's my opinion...take it for what it's worth Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham > Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down > from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making her > look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's > silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it pooch > out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know > there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise > if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own > shape (on the busty side)? > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:26:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BQZNW015094 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:26:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BQRSJ010926; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BQBCJ086240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:26:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BQ4sc080440; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav13.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BPmBo080301 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:25:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:25:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:25:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:25:45.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EFEC180:01C6150F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:26:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C24863.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: >> >>In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>sylvia@ntw.net writes: >> >>I don't think I've ever seen it >>pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >>I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >>can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >>actress's own shape (on the busty side)? > > > Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, > hence the rather odd costume shape. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:29:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BTFWE015500 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:29:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BT7OH016401; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BSich086429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:28:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BSUCD081688; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav11.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BSCIT081456 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:28:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:28:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:28:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:28:07.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3A793B0:01C6150F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C24903.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett is the book, and should be in your local library. ;-> If you have any questions, I'm sure a lot of us can help you out. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > How might I get that pattern? Is it in a book I might find at the library? > It seems I need to find the library that has all these costuming books. I > plan a day to go over to Lancaster, PA to visit one of the libraries > recommended for me. I'll ask my local library if they can borrow the ones > we can find in the area. > I appreciate the help. I know what I want to make just not sure how to > MAKE it work. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kelly grant" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >>I have used Ms Hunnisett's 18thC hoop pattern, it balances beautifully! >>All I did was scale it up! At the bottom edge mine is 2 yards across. >> Kelly >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Becky" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >> >> >>> Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Suzi Clarke" >>> To: "Historical Costume" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >>> >>> >>>> At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>>>>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of >>>>>the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make >>>>>the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since >>>>>the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked >>>>>everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I >>>>>need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>>>>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on >>>>>how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards >>>>>across? It has to be large for that character. >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>>>> >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>>>>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >>>> >>>> >>>> If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by >>>> Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply >>>> widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre >>>> front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it >>>> is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on >>>> a computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern >>>> paper, but there are various methods that will work. >>>> >>>> Suzi >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> h-costume mailing list >>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 08:43:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09DhIWG031913 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09DhABg029730; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Dgj1v099038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Dgc9B049497; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f36.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09DgZPB049448 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:42:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:42:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.137.4.157] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601090831.k098V5ra002067@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:42:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 13:42:35.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CA20EA0:01C61522] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2686E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This quote from Helena Bonham Carter is from an interview with her on the PBS website: "I was pregnant during filming, making dressing up in the lavish costumes required for a Tudor queen no mean feat! It's not exactly suitable maternity wear! But the corsets gave some continuity while I got bigger each week. Luckily they are not too tight or I may have ended up with a baby with a flat head! Some of the costumes were re-cut up to four times during filming. The dresses were designed with longer bodices than typical Tudor dresses to distract from the waistline and the lacings were placed at the backsides for ease and comfort." Kate > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:48 -0700 >From: Sylvia Rognstad >Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham >Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down >from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making >her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's >silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it >pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >actress's own shape (on the busty side)? > >Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 08:54:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ds8gr032721 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:54:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ds0Yp005203; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:54:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09DrhDm000252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09DrdnY055257; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav6.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09DrZYe055208 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:53:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:53:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13d.2296dee4.30f34d0e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:53:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 13:53:32.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[142BD260:01C61524] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:54:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C26AF8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That is what the idea is here. Same concept of the stilts and panier underneath. Do you have a pattern for that? I have lots of online "Gown" patterns that I might be able to use but none of the exact one to use. Can you send me a copy of your costume stetch or what pattern you used? We WILL NOT BE USING YOUR DESIGN, just how to make ours. We had planned to use PVC pipe or bend bamboo for the skirt roundness/shape. Someone told us about how to make the skirt like a float with a base. This way we don't have to use the stilts. I'm not sure the base will work or not. If we can get it to work, the kids will ride onto stage and jump out when it stops. It'ss be on casters with the dancer standing in a secure frame so he can be taller than normal without the stilts. Whoever is chosen to be Mother Ginger won't have to know how to walk in stilts. we hope to ask a local celebraty to "become" Mother Ginger. We also thought that some of the decorations on the skirt look like those little cookies that are on a gingerbread house. The kids will come out from under the skirt and pull one of the cookies off the dress. It becomes their hat. The hat is on with velcro. That was my idea. It also gives them something more to do than just jump out and dance. It adds a bit of humor ot the scene. My daugher thought it would be funny for the wig to fall off. Maybe the character can remove it in curtain call. That would be funny for people to see that it is the celebraty. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" > > In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:28:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: > > I'm making a Mother Hinger costume for my daughter's ballet this next > Christmas. Any suggestions? It's a robe a la francaise type like Marie > Antoinette puffy one. > > > > ********************** > > We did "Nutcracker" every year at school [NCSA]. I remember our Mother > Ginger was played by the tallest man in the dance department. The huge > pannier was > at 1st made of plywood and weighed like 800 pounds. Later it was fashioned > out of PVC pipe....the plastic piping plumbers used. What a relief for the > dancer! He also wore plasterer stilts....or something like them, that made > him > over a foot taller. We made long frilly pantaloons to cover these....and > you > did catch a glimpse of them when the children [8 or them] promenade out > from > under her skirts and, after their minuet, run back under. > > The contraption looked like an open robe with a contrasting petticoat but > in > reality the skirts were all attached to the pannier and the bodice was > separate. The dancer would pull a cord at the point of the bodice and the > [faked] > petticoat part would draw up like an Austrian curtain to let the children > out > and back in. > > The gown was all cinnamon and coffee-with-cream colored taffeta with lots > of > swags and huge satin flowers and bows in pastel colors at the top of the > panniers....decorated with white lace. She looked like a big fancy iced > cake. > > She had a towering 1770s do with a huge delicate mob cap with lace and > bows > and things perched on top. A great costume. > > The dancer would swing those big "hips" back and forth while the children > danced their minuet. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 09:10:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09EA4YY000490 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:10:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09E9sJ3016808; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:09:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09E97cr002641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09E96jC064405; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09E93Hl064275 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40100 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 14:08:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CeRL/vmZcrHZjUKfEzGXVKuCRECv5FnpDdanUdsvv+UUroN8Gzva0EsV2C/zDTek/Q+O+wH/ZAcIuwIR7MeU+h8JKigeDrVoK6JoW9wVHtyfMmzx20C8FMl/fZb8/1fYN3V6GAwKV+zGlLObyAJiq+9TWE1ADkux0FBIuk/Yslo= ; Message-ID: <20060109140855.40098.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:08:55 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:08:55 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:09:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C26EB2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello all This is /kind/ of costume related - I've just had to design my first corset with straps for a lovely customer who is a) self-conscious and b) lop-sided, after a very dislocating shoulder finally got operated on... What can I say, it doesn't seem to matter how carefully I fit the strap, one or t'other creeps down. Since the corset will be used for ceilidhing and general dancing, she's going to need them to stay in place. Does anyone have a tip on making those gummy strips I've seen on the inside of some ready to wear garments that hold semi-off the shoulder straps in place? I'd thought of some kind of glue or silicon sealant (hmmm - might stain the shiny fabric on top). Many many thanks, Katherine who's based in the UK so some suppliers are out. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 10:25:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09FPrZb003384 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:25:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09FPi6q018450; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09FOi3V011698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FOCcm014509; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:24:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav10.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FNTOO014061 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:23:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.149.20.116 by BAY108-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:23:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.149.20.116] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:23:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 15:23:28.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[A45DEBF0:01C61530] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland, Ohio X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:25:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C28078.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k09FPrZb003384 I will be traveling to Cleveland, Ohio next week - any suggestions for must visit fabric or bead stores, museums, etc? I've been invited to give a talk for "Quester's" group there by a friend; the title is "From Here to There and Back Again: A Guide to Travel in Antebellum America". As I don't have a "proper" travel gown, I plan to dress entirely inappropriately, i.e.. too colorful, too high style, large hoop, too much jewelry, too much hand baggage, etc Thanks for any suggestions on places to visit, Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 10:49:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Fn5gh003613 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:49:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Fmujm007319; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Fh1Dq018634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FguKx030043; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FgqDD029969 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51228B037 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:42:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C284BE.2000808@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:43:58 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv References: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:48:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C285E8.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Karolee Smiley wrote: > Costume related viewing, > > Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? I thought it was okay. I would have liked to have heard more about Henry in his younger days and more about his later wives. The show was 90% about Anne, and they spent all of 15 seconds each on his last marriages. Still there were some interesting historical tidbits about his reign that I hadn't heard before. The costumes were just costumes. Somebody tried, but the women obviously weren't in corsets, and it looked like a lot of the layering for both sexes was faked. For a 1 hour tv drama I was ok with everything except Anne's hat. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 12:12:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09HCNAd006654 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:12:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09HCFKS016622; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:12:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09H4CM9044559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09GtESQ095623; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09GsYjU094994 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: <43C2954D.8090507@msn.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:54:37 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 16:54:25.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[590891C0:01C6153D] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:12:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2996F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Fynes Moryson notes that women in Italy (and in parts of Germany) wore "breeches" under their gowns...(I think this is online at project ) Gutenberg, if you want to read the account.) He notes these exceptions in this period (~1598~1604) of time as an anomaly. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 13:50:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09IoCcI009671 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:50:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Io24i030322; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:50:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09InLYf061824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09InI7Y007360; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.216]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09E3GEv060762 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.56.83]) by omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:03:11 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:03:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:03:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:03:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 14:03:11.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CD61320:01C61525] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B05A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That is awfull!!!! That is such a beatiful costume. I'd send pictures to every pawn shop in 100 miles of the place where it was stolen. I sure hopw someone filed a police report on it. Then the pawn shops HAVE to report it as stolen. Otherwise there is no official "stolen property" report to make them give you your costume back. Contact the local paper and have them write an article on it. That way the news will get out to the local area. Call the tv station. Whatever will give you their time. I know it doesn't replace the costume, but it may fall under your car insurance policy... BUT it needs the police report. I found that out the hard way. I had a camera stolen from my purse. Good luck in retrieving the costume. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN > Hello all- > I'm sending this post to literally everyone in my email address book, > (most especially the h-costume list.) At a minimum, it will serve as > a sad reminder to never leave anything of value in your car even if > you're too tired to take it inside after the event. > > One of my sewing buddies, Toni Whyte (SCA Genevieve de Vendome), had > her beautiful Elizabethan 12th Night costume and jewelry was STOLEN > from her car in front of my friends' house in Fremont, Calif last > night. > > Below is a detailed list of the missing items which are of great > sentimental value (not to mention a lot of work on the part of many > SCA artisans). Several pictures are also posted online at: > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos > The album is "Stolen gown belongs to Toni aka Genevieve." > > Please cross post his missive to any and all lists that you can think > of in hopes of locating the stolen items; with only six degrees of > separation, hopefully someone somewhere will see these if & when they > surface. (It's already gone to several SF-SJ-Oakland area SCA groups.) > > If anyone hears or sees anything resembling these at pawn shops / > antique stores / clothing resale shops / email lists/ ebay, please let > me know: rachael DOT keish AT gmail DOT com. I'm offering a reward > for the gowns and pendants, no questions asked, just to try and > recover them. > > Sincerely, > Marguerite du Royon > AKA Rachael Keish > (and Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com) > ____________________________________________ > > Stolen item descriptions: > - A custom made rennaissance-type pendant of 22 kt. gold, emeralds, > and a black baroque pearl. Piece is a dolphin being ridden by a > sea-nymph. Black baroque pearl forms the dolphin's head, and the > dolphin is suspended from a green emerald pin by two chains. An > emerald dangled also below the dolphin. > > - Laurel's medallion pendant in a renaissance style. Cloisonnee, with > a background of gold with a green laurel wreath, within a silver > frame. The laurel pendant is suspended from a pin by two chains, and > three freshwater pearls dangle from the bottom of it. > > - Custom-made 16th Century Elizabethan gown, with hoop skirt and > corset. White brocade, with gold trim. Sleeves are made of strips of > brocade with gold trim, that have white silk organza puffs between 2 > kinds of buttons. > > - The matching gold pill-box-type round hat has embroidery and pearls > around the sides, and a red cross of toulouse embroidered on top. > > - Custom-made red velveteen open gown/ropa/overgown with gold silk > lining. Short rounded sleeves, made of crossed-strapwork trimmed in > red and gold braid, with white silk-organza puffs showing through. The > collar shows the gold lining and has two red Cross of Toulouse > embroidered on it at each corner. > > - Ruby cabuchon earrings, with three seed-pearls. > > - Costume jewelry set of necklace, bracelet, and earrings. Gold plate > with red marquis shaped stones. > > (If you're in the 'hood & can lend a hand, thanks for the help. And > if you're too far away to help, go ahead and look at the pictures > anyway. Toni's workmanship is quite something.) > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 13:59:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ixtrp010285 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:59:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ixluh006428; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09IxAUx063508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ix4jc017403; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09ER8Df074316 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47873 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 14:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 14:27:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109142307.01d9ee00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:27:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? In-Reply-To: <20060109140855.40098.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060109140855.40098.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B2A3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:08 09/01/2006, you wrote: >Hello all > >This is /kind/ of costume related - I've just had to >design my first corset with straps for a lovely >customer who is a) self-conscious and b) lop-sided, >after a very dislocating shoulder finally got operated >on... What can I say, it doesn't seem to matter how >carefully I fit the strap, one or t'other creeps down. > >Since the corset will be used for ceilidhing and >general dancing, she's going to need them to stay in >place. > >Does anyone have a tip on making those gummy strips >I've seen on the inside of some ready to wear garments >that hold semi-off the shoulder straps in place? I'd >thought of some kind of glue or silicon sealant (hmmm >- might stain the shiny fabric on top). > >Many many thanks, > >Katherine who's based in the UK so some suppliers are out. Katherine Contact MacCulloch and Wallis - they have, I think, special straps to add to underwear. www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk Otherwise, use a piece of elastic, made slightly shorter than the strap, stitched at both ends, and herringboned across the length. Sew it to the underside. That one works for me. Or use elastic to attach the straps at the front. That also works - might not be "authentic" but needs must sometimes. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:01:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09J0xxb010313 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:00:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09J0pBY004561; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09IxxOd063687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ixq9s018217; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav11.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09H5NP4005408 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:05:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.149.20.116 by BAY108-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:05:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.149.20.116] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:05:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 17:05:19.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[DED64DA0:01C6153E] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=44% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:00:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B2E3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k09J0xxb010313 Have you considered doing a "cut and sewn" stocking? I have used the pattern from Kanniks Korner (www.kannikskorner.com #KK-6001 "Stockings, Pockets, Mitts) with great success using both cotton and wool knit fabric. I've not yet found an appropriate silk knit fabric, however, this fall when unpacking my winter clothes, I had an "Aha!!" moment - and am considering utilizing the fabric in a pair of silk long johns; they are not quite a pure white, but pretty close. By doing some simple customizing of the pattern, you can have perfectly fitting stockings; no more baggy ankles or heels half way up the calf. An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under Civil War items. (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by far the most common for our time period) And of course, you could do some fabulous clockwork before assembling them. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:15:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JFYq2010599 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:15:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JFQQH020510; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:15:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JECYS065884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JE8DN031823; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05BNwUr064373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-156-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.156]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k05BNsNp005279; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:23:55 +1100 Message-ID: <003a01c611ea$b4aaa6e0$9cd7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:25:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:00:15 -0700 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:15:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B64E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Good evening all, Many of the costumers out there will already have heard about Am I Period or Not but recently the flow of new photo submissions has slowed to a trickle, so for those who have never heard of it or those who have new photos (or even new outfits) please consider submitting a photo of your work and enjoy the virtual adulation of people all across the globe. Those who have a new outfit for 12th night celebrations remember to take a camera with you and ask somebody to get your photo. If you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. The 16th century costumers still seem to be the most productive set (with more photos submitted than any other era), with the 19th century a close second. But there are so many other styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed like Lord of the Rings) Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your webpage for more info). If you are unfamiliar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. While the original site was for pre 1600 costume only The New Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday (plus imaginary eras). I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this email. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:18:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JImcV010760 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:18:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JIeC9023337; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:18:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09J4DP6064503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09IjrBP003763; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09BWBgJ083584 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:32:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 45058 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 11:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 11:32:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109113101.01d9bc10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:32:12 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII In-Reply-To: References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:18:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B710.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry >>Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. >> >>Suzi >Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) >Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! >Kelly Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? Suzi >>>I don't think I've ever seen it >>>pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >>>I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >>>can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >>>actress's own shape (on the busty side)? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:20:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKjK9010970 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKbpk010917; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JJjGZ066711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JJdCr036843; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09IGCQi073076 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1348B2B2 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:56:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C2A424.9060602@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:57:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] paging Alex, aka "Garbaholic" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B785.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Please contact me off list. I don't think my email is getting through to you. Dawn (Apologies if you see this multiple times, I'm having problems with my mail server. ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:20:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKjk5010971 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKbDj016691; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JED8c065889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JE8wL031829; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:OcXfMb5u93QhxdmdDzwPwUjmgBTXyGzn@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ft0au040792 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.164] (206-124-5-164.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.164]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k09Frqm12499 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:53:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9b6edf5b7578fa1826517b11d3de02e7@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:55:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B785.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Why on earth would they cast a woman who was that pregnant at the time of filming? Did they think no one would notice her odd shape? Sylrog On Jan 9, 2006, at 4:25 AM, kelly grant wrote: > Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network > right now) > Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! > Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:11 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > > >> At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: >>> >>> In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> sylvia@ntw.net writes: >>> >>> I don't think I've ever seen it >>> pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham >>> Carter. >>> I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list >>> who >>> can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with >>> the >>> actress's own shape (on the busty side)? >> >> >> Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, >> hence the rather odd costume shape. >> >> Suzi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:21:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JLZVl011061 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:21:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JLRvY025688; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:21:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JFOXk066049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JEFd6032010; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09HInb2018177 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55cc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.204]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 832B326289C for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:18:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c61540$ce074130$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060109015419.9804.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:19:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B7B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Ann, Oh thanks for your reply. I am only at the beginning, and the first rows surely are difficult to make, but i made 2 rows now, and it gets much better. Ill start to make pearl pattern in stead of ribs, and then it will be easy with the rest. I use a DMC embroidery floss to knit the stockings with. Thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Catelli" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings > > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews > wrote: > >> I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread >> was two slippery, i lost >> the stitches all the time. >> Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a >> little easyer for me. >> I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches >> to each cm. This meens >> that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. >> Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? >> >> Bjarne > > Ok, that translates to 12.5 sts/inch--I believe that > is in the range for good stockings in the eighteenth > century. > > You may also wish to try, if you are not allergic, a > fine worsted-prep yarn for your stockings. Use a > similar size thread of wool that you have been of > cotton. > Wool is much, much, much nicer to knit than cotton or > silk. > > And 40 cm is only about 16 inches (to respond to > another poster), so that is not ridiculous. > If you knit [wool] stockings to the measurement of > your leg, they will be all baggy & not sleek and > smooth. > > I've heard between 75% and 90% of your leg > measurement, but 100% at the ankles for ease to don > the stocking. > > Good luck. > > Ann in CT > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:23:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JNtF8011299 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:23:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JNlYx027586; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:23:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JN0Lm067359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:23:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JMuS9040284; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:22:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JMpCO040177 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55cc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.204]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1255F26285E for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:22:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:knit stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:23:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:23:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B843.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kelly, This was very generous of you to give your knolledge with this. May i ask where did you buy your knitted material. I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg i could use. Dont mind if it is cotton knit, it is better than my nylon ballet danse tricot pans i use............. laughs............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "KELLY" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings Have you considered doing a "cut and sewn" stocking? I have used the pattern from Kanniks Korner (www.kannikskorner.com #KK-6001 "Stockings, Pockets, Mitts) with great success using both cotton and wool knit fabric. I've not yet found an appropriate silk knit fabric, however, this fall when unpacking my winter clothes, I had an "Aha!!" moment - and am considering utilizing the fabric in a pair of silk long johns; they are not quite a pure white, but pretty close. By doing some simple customizing of the pattern, you can have perfectly fitting stockings; no more baggy ankles or heels half way up the calf. An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under Civil War items. (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by far the most common for our time period) And of course, you could do some fabulous clockwork before assembling them. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:30:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JUNhf011500 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:30:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JUE6l000537; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:30:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JTDY5068516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JT9iO046425; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JT52x046238 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:29:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fd.102c3902 (15889) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d34 (mblk-d34.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.218]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1143c2b97625c; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7E36A100705E5-CEC-1C46@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200601090831.k098V5ra002067@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200601090831.k098V5ra002067@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.218 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:30:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B9C6.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Huh, so where did the drawers originate, then? Italy? Moorish women wore pants under their dresses; was it adapted from them, maybe? And you're probably right about warmth being a matter of perspective (I grew up in South Texas, about a day's drive from the tropics), but I also know it was supposed to be colder back then. Tea Rose Message: 12 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:49:06 -0600 From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Drawers arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:41:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JfC6r011760 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Jf0Ff009995; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Je1p6070142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Jdura056594; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Jdn0m056391 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2e0.4bd8db (4380) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2e0.4bd8db.30f415fc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:39:40 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:41:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2BC4C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Apologies for going completely o-t, but I hope nobody (especially those involved) will mind me posting this here - am trying to spread the word as far as possible as quickly as possible. A garage used as a store by some members of Conquest has been raided, with some kit being stolen and the rest torched (burnt to ashes, for those not familiar with English slang). As I understand it, of the stuff in the garage, one tunic survived. Everything else is gone. This is thousands and thousands of pounds worth of kit which took decades to assemble. A full list of the stolen kit can be seen here http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1651 Please keep an eye out for any of the kit that will presumably at some point be for sale. Thanks Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:41:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JffRK011777 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JfWQp017557; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JYN6F069261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09J5DTU023339; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09J53k6022951 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.15d.5f17165b (4468) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.5f17165b.30f40dc7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:04:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:41:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2BC6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:48:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? **************** LOL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:59:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Jx82A012703 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:59:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Jwx0F025511; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Jql4e072115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:52:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JqfGx069234; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pqueueb.post.tele.dk (pqueueb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Jqa61069108 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by pqueueb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A263DE8B7 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:25:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55cc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.204]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B1055EE072 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:25:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c61552$95c62450$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003a01c611ea$b4aaa6e0$9cd7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:26:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:59:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2C083.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Elizabeth, I have considered i could post a picture with me in the copy of Gustav III's wedding suit i made in pale blue duchesse satin. But i never got a propper photo of it. I will propose to Leif and beg him to make me a picture next weekend. But another story is that pale blue is not my colour, but never mind............ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not > Good evening all, > Many of the costumers out there will already have heard about Am I Period > or Not but recently the flow of new photo submissions has slowed to a > trickle, so for those who have never heard of it or those who have new > photos (or even new outfits) please consider submitting a photo of your > work and enjoy the virtual adulation of people all across the globe. Those > who have a new outfit for 12th night celebrations remember to take a > camera with you and ask somebody to get your photo. > If you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of > history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. The 16th century costumers still > seem to be the most productive set (with more photos submitted than any > other era), with the 19th century a close second. But there are so many > other styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what > costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed > like Lord of the Rings) > Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all > it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) > than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you > can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your > webpage for more info). > If you are unfamiliar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send > in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded > onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate > they > are and leave comments. While the original site was for pre 1600 costume > only The New Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you > like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday (plus > imaginary eras). > I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this > email. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 15:14:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09KENiV013044 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:14:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09KEFTf007942; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:14:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09KC0qN075593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09KBrcs088874; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09KBeep088605 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73452 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 20:09:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WeAI1T8izPQsPSnSJWwpJQFVsOZVG4IpSLQNYkMBf+HxiGc1LUO2ft678+GerOoph2X2DiE3pq0CPBDn3+h7PmtYTd0L1g4wqX76f5A5c3iPbB3fITBsSVcb9RztBEMItJaxbbYwx1YanVBX4Jxan0zyvylnD6x9Hb1E0expHok= ; Message-ID: <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:09:48 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:14:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2C417.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And try knitting them on circular needles. It makes a world of difference. THat silk is impossible to knit on straight doupble pointed needles. THey make circular needles in american 000 and 0. Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. Right now my silk and wool stocking experiment is on hold because the circular 000 I have is too large for the diameter of the stocking right now. I need another needle, but several projects and the holidays have interferred. And someone does make silk knit and sell it on the web, its jersey I think. I will have to look for my bookmark. G Street in MD/VA might even have some yardage, but it's been years since I've been there Making a pair of silk 18c stockings is on my list. Mia in Charlottetowne, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 15:49:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Knk8c014317 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:49:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Kncs5007809; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Kn7Tg082076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Kn1xr025784; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09KmkY2025587 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.256.470f865 (4468) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:48:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <256.470f865.30f42627@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:48:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:49:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2CC62.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/9/2006 2:15:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: Why on earth would they cast a woman who was that pregnant at the time of filming? Did they think no one would notice her odd shape? Sylrog ********************* Well, she may not have been [or didn't tell anyone she was] pregnant when the contracts were signed. She may be involved with more than just acting in the show [like producing it or putting up money somehow]. And, yes, no one may a cared anyway. Welcome to the entertainment industry! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 17:24:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09MO4Q3018932 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:24:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09MNuxG021970; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:23:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09MNFZ8096903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:23:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MMiAk014937; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MMYfC014804 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:22:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06371 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:22:33 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:21:39 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Thread-Index: AcYVVMhdBEGIZkM4RAmzmzZnc1x7iwAFQbRQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k09MMYfC014804 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:23:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2E27C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! No, it doesn't explain the Indian sari silks(well, Henry as a monarch, especially once ultra wealthy Wolsey crashed and burned, could import anything he wanted, even things that didn't exist at the time). It is all production values anyway and even in big budget Hollywood films, sets and costumes are just a small fraction of the budget. The main thing has always been to put what looks good onscreen to the majority of the audience viewing the drama, not historical accuracy. At least today's costumers aren't further limited by the old Hays code, just trying to keep some reasonable accuracy or any at all with the pressures of budget, the present aesthetic and whatever the director's vision is. I just kept waiting and wondering what went on during that rainy jousting scene. Did they plan to endanger humans and horses jousting in the rain, was it planned that way, or was the shooting schedule so tight that even when the English weather wasn't cooperating, they had to shoot rain and mud or not? Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 17:52:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Mqnlo020059 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:52:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09MqeKc008893; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09MqKaJ001226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MqHPu041178; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MqEHe041143 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:52:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p46so1722317nfa for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:52:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LLygoLAddYm9tt9dnAP2p9brVUvLdc4zxZphRZw8s5g8gP9E9n0KdDll1gXfn/sJbGX9qmjq8LF+zqOB7oKpyx/iohs9JEoaw3WiEY9OasUcbKwjS6hw4ZgGA76SLK9OiRpPxuefE88rpanqDvHlGGx4L7+DWRbjmN9VP6JB8HI= Received: by 10.48.255.7 with SMTP id c7mr941955nfi; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:01:14 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings In-Reply-To: <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k09MqEHe041143 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:52:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2E938.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. How do you knit two stockings at the same time? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 19:19:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A0J433022947 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:19:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A0Iuef001293; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:18:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A0HtC5012908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A0Hk7q014496; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn4.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A0HgXG014406 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id B808F233E0; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:17:44 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Received: from [206.45.181.50] by mprdmailfe10.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:17:44 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = a9d1485ab7398ed9f0c1678092c712ba From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:17:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:18:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2FD70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The site is called Cheeptrims (2 e's), www.cheeptrims.com. They sell a lot of drek, but there are some real gems in there as well. They're really cheap (2 gross of buttons for $3.00 for example). The last time I ordered from them (last April?) they sold to anyone and the minimum was $60. Sadly it looks like that's changed. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ --- On Sun 01/08, Sue < sue@victorianmillinery.com > wrote: From: Sue [mailto: sue@victorianmillinery.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims What company are you all talking about?
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Jurancich"
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims


> Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business
> is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they
> only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since
> they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have
> found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or
> 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time.
>
> And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It
> was $60 when I ordered in June 2005.
>
> Joan
>
> At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had
>>the problem you speak of.
>>
>>Kathleen
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joan Jurancich"
>>To: "Historical Costume"
>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims
>>
>>
>> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>> > >>Catching up here.
>> > >>
>> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you
>> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal
>> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and
>> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is
>>fine.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>Joan Jurancich
>> > >>joanmj@surewest.net
>> > >
>> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a
>> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it.
>> > >
>> > >Melusine
>> >
>> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order,
>> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had
>> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not
>> > fill my order.
>> >
>> >
>> > Joan Jurancich
>> > joanmj@surewest.net
>
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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:50:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1oxVg026110 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1oova026688; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1o6sD025195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1o521079658; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ml0Ti036710 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:46:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109113101.01d9bc10@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:46:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 22:47:00.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[99FC1C20:01C6156E] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:50:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C312FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! nope, nore does it explain the silver lame Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > > >>>Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, >>>hence the rather odd costume shape. >>> >>>Suzi > >>Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right >>now) >>Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! >>Kelly > > > Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? > > Suzi > >>>>I don't think I've ever seen it >>>>pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >>>>I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >>>>can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >>>>actress's own shape (on the busty side)? > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:50:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1oxG9026111 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1opnm021041; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1nSE6025128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1nO69079197; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MaOKT027226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k09M2pLv004719 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:02:58 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:02:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59363.64.156.242.51.1136844176.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:02:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:knit stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:50:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C312FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kelly said, > An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under > Civil War items. > (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a > great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by > far the most common for our time period) Mid-19th century is different than 18thC. From what I can tell, stockings cut from knit yardgoods were only in use for a short time. If you have infrmation about this for 19thC, I am very curious! From what I can tell, cut and sewn was not at all common for the 19thC. The 1790s saw some very complex knit patterns in use that could be made "sideways" from the way stockings were normally frame knit. Also around that time was the use of the thread carrier, which made it faster (and cheaper) to knit yardgoods rather than the pieces knit to shape. "Cut ups" were a very cheap stocking, and their economic impact was the cause of Luddism of 1812, and the smashing of stocking frames by people who were put out of work. As machinery developed further, stockings were still knit to shape and also the circular knitter was used (examples are seen from the 1840s, with darts to shape them). The cut & sewn stockings of the 18thC (Bjarne's era) were actually made from woven cloth. Making stockings from silk knit fabric (for 18thC) is a good fake, however the seam allowances need to be treated carefully. The 1790-1810 cut-ups did not last long and were considered to be poor quality goods because of this. I did find a decent silk knit in New York a few years back, unfortunately not in white. I managed to use color remover on a few of the pastels to some limited success, and it could of course be dyed darker colors. Having examined quite a few 18th frame knit stockings, I am picky about the fabric. Most modern knits are made to be very stretchy, and the 18thC stockings are not. There are silk jersey knits out there, but I only found the one that was not very stretchy. Bjarne said, > There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg I could > use. That's from a frame knit silk stocking, and the pattern was done while on the frame as the stocking was knitted. It can be faked with a duplicate stitch. That technique fell out of use around 1750, which is why I asked what era you were aiming for. It all comes down to whether the stockings are supposed to be specific to an era or appropriate to a particular event or oufit, and exactly how particular and detailed anyone wants to be about it. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:51:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1pCVK026120 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:51:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1p4DY014201; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1oGKe025241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1oF0A079807; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09NN91g069163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k09NMmwj002980 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:55 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59387.64.156.242.51.1136848973.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:51:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C31308.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > How do you knit two stockings at the same time? One inside the other, with two sets of stitches (every other stitch from the other sock) on your needles and two yarn sources. With my luck I would mess up and knit them together at some point. :-) But I have heard of this as a "normal" way to knit socks. Something I did once was to have two socks going on two sets of needles. I would knit one row around to the center back, then do the same with the other stocking, and back and forth like that. I was playing with a diamond pattern and increases/decreases at the same time, so it was the only way to maintain a bit of sanity. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1qMtQ026138 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1qEiG029523; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:52:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1pq7Z025439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1pq82081027; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn4.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A0LZON017177 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 6F45B233DB; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:38 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Received: from [206.45.181.50] by mprdmailfe10.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:21:38 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = a9d1485ab7398ed9f0c1678092c712ba From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060110002138.6F45B233DB@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:52:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3134E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I live in Winnipeg, Canada and they had no qualms about mailing out of the States. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ --- On Sun 01/08, Sue < sue@victorianmillinery.com > wrote: From: Sue [mailto: sue@victorianmillinery.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims What company are you all talking about?
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Jurancich"
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims


> Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business
> is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they
> only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since
> they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have
> found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or
> 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time.
>
> And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It
> was $60 when I ordered in June 2005.
>
> Joan
>
> At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had
>>the problem you speak of.
>>
>>Kathleen
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joan Jurancich"
>>To: "Historical Costume"
>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims
>>
>>
>> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>> > >>Catching up here.
>> > >>
>> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you
>> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal
>> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and
>> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is
>>fine.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>Joan Jurancich
>> > >>joanmj@surewest.net
>> > >
>> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a
>> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it.
>> > >
>> > >Melusine
>> >
>> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order,
>> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had
>> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not
>> > fill my order.
>> >
>> >
>> > Joan Jurancich
>> > joanmj@surewest.net
>
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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 21:15:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2FHBb027014 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:15:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2F8xD009143; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:15:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A2Edth028350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A2Ec7C094997; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A2EYjO094959 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 2257 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:13:04 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:13:04 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1661.67.188.164.116.1136859419.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:15:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C318AC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I was thinking about Toni Whyte's costume and jewelry being stolen and it is a terrible thing to have happen. It has been cross-posted to almost every list I am on so the word is definitely getting out. My question is....what is one supposed to do if they find an item on ebay or for sale somewhere? How can the item be recovered safely and who are you supposed to tell? I am sure someone out there has had experience with this--please share your knowledge! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 21:21:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2LriR027168 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:21:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2LjZJ013457; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:21:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A2L9pN029150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A2L8IE099126; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A2L3QT099026 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6GGR6AAA3GWS for (sender ); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEBQV3DF; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:20:33 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:19:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv Message-ID: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,21-24 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 9:4:254661621 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7lzTZljtbXiWpYgSTKchNehijUW5dvTi8A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:21:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C31A39.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > OPINION ALERT! > Well, I watched it tonight - I thought the women's costuming was 10x > worse than the men's (as usual) with rather odd headdresses in > particular. In my opinion it greatly resembled the 19th century > view > of the 16th century - it was to Henry and his wives what many in the > 19th century thought of "poor Mary Queen of Scots" and "the evil > Queen Elizabeth" - their ideas (not mine!!!!). I found it to be > rather tabloid feeling in its approach to the entire thing, and > while > strictly correct in facts, attributed a lot of emotions that I think > they would be hard pressed to document. Catherine of Aragon came > across as the wronged noble, almost saintly queen, and they stated > outright that Henry went mad as he got older! They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. Leah *Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 22:08:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A38HMg027863 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:08:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A3881Y010666; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:08:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A3738j034315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A36wHq027430; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A36tlm027390 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m132.in-tch.com [216.166.191.132]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0A2wpb16624 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:58:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:13:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:08:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C32518.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! There are apparently several very inventive methods, but the one I've heard of most often involves creating a loop of some sort in the cable for the circular needle--there are actually books available on the technique, here in the U.S. Not something I've tried (I'm plenty happy knitting mine one at a time with DPNs), but I've heard of them. You could probably find something online pretty easily. I just googled for "magic loop" and "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf Hope that gives you some idea of what the technique is.... --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. > > How do you knit two stockings at the same time? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 23:05:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A45MYe028822 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:05:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A45Amg012741; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:05:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A42vp0040830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A42txu060687; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A42qeS060653 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:01:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:01:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1661.67.188.164.116.1136859419.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:01:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 04:01:25.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[86B518C0:01C6159A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:05:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C33276.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If is shows up on eBay contact their customer serivce. To sell items on eBay you can have customer protection and use their policies against the perpuratrator. They will end any auction if it is suspected as stolen property. They will also notify the police. Each account that sells on eBay MUST have a bank account. Someone had to list one to place an auction on eBay. I'm sure they will try to help recover the costume IF it shows up on line. I'd write and ask their customer serivce department. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question >I was thinking about Toni Whyte's costume and jewelry being stolen and it > is a terrible thing to have happen. It has been cross-posted to almost > every list I am on so the word is definitely getting out. > > My question is....what is one supposed to do if they find an item on ebay > or for sale somewhere? How can the item be recovered safely and who are > you supposed to tell? > > I am sure someone out there has had experience with this--please share > your knowledge! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 23:21:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4LXUk029055 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:21:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4LOtA022596; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:21:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A4Kch4043083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A4KQ9a072433; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A4KCZa072268 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p46so1749552nfa for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:20:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=duNR8+oAdAu+ytSlwZO7AnA9d52azL8XFqs8iBLRoGjaV4iOMdKhO7v/xPl6YrNMdDCXWe9AqpcHsX6xWCqcXEczzk6KrSiHOVPihTrIcSC7xozg7iF97Dl5zdYViU0CfrYqwAYxm73bwUdLEfLiqJFrUmB8ez9pbE/oOgDsTgg= Received: by 10.48.48.12 with SMTP id v12mr45315nfv; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:20:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601092020t171e6cf8m@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:20:01 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings In-Reply-To: <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0A4KCZa072268 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:21:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C33644.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I just googled for "magic loop" and > "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: > http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html > http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf Hm. Thanks. It doesn't look practical. I was hoping it would be something I would want to use, to avoid my tendency of getting bored after I've understood how to do something (i.e. I'd love to knit one stocking, but would never finish the second because I've already done it and would prefer moving to something else - knitting both at the same time would have solved the problem). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 23:57:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4vCh4029391 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:57:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4v4CQ010166; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:57:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A4uUK2048274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A4uP3E093400; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A4uLne093322 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 4879 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 04:56:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WTKJVXv5EaR+JZzjeySbiQT0X8Iihn5BorukKPGgwl2HJGaMNuI60adXInjqVxEhxviZ/T+vCyBU0hxnh7sX/fHF2RqsCH3yHRGX8sDHEDGmPskYYsL79wr0pFzRxI2a2gUBsRi5H8UgwN+mVMAq+BttDJaSI1vPyycEh4JbZkE= ; Message-ID: <20060110045614.4877.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.168] by web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:56:14 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:56:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003001c61443$3d9bc1a0$6400a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C33EA0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny Ladnier wrote: Alex, The link I gave, http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html , shows the process of how we clean the images. We have a link on the front page of Library. What time frame are you in? Ah, excellant then. I do 16th century primarily, sometimes 14th century. I've toyed with the idea of doing other eras, but I really feel if I can't wear it somewhere, it's not practical for me to make. And I have so much on my plate right now, that finding another group to play with is right out. There are times when I'm very tempted, but I try not to stray too much. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 01:26:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6QfHK030843 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:26:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6QW0i028040; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:26:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A6Ps5V057271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6PpA4043552; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6Pkps043513 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=phY2ck+lMBfGTLWROJq3bebSWHG6WCPr/McMTu6LBV86vcozmNC6WgRa2XaypKwI; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.147.78] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwCx0-0005jM-U3 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:25:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74249692-6643-4F5F-9DF8-567A037E7043@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:26:01 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478e4518b16d6a8a9855becb85a31de5a0748b72bd3abe6003f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.147.78 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:26:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C35398.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) > From: Kathy Page > Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear > > I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document > their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning > collection and a pair of chopines. > This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, > knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short > period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the > collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure > with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair > of stockings and a pair of chopines. On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:53 PM, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, > possibly? I > usually do English. > > And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > gets COLD there. > > Thanks for your forbearance, > Tea Rose > My observation, in my research on this general topic, is that logic and practicality are absolutely no guide to the attitudes of a given culture at a given period towards women and underpants. Women either wore them or didn't wear them because it was the appropriate thing to do in their social context and not for any other objective reason. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 01:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6glTf031208 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:42:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6gc3d003987; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A6gNbL058759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6gJkK051942; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6gEIn051837 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:42:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elinorsalter@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.127.101] (c-24-1-202-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.202.223]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2006011006420801500e02v6e>; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:42:08 +0000 Message-ID: <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:42:06 -0600 From: Elinor Salter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv References: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:42:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3575E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > > >They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was >suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" >with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line >about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't >menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only >remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses >at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. > >Leah > >*Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the >syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. > Have you also read the theory that one reason for the development of the codpiece was to help serve as a pouch to disguise (or prevent staining on clothing by) external treatments for the rashes caused by syphilis? What's the name of your book - I'd like to keep an eye out for it. I do love the genre of diagnosing past medical mysteries. -- Elinor Salter _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 01:50:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6nwl4031384 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:49:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6noIJ007321; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:49:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A6mweA059508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6muBh055560; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6monw055497 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-2-227.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.2.227]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2006 14:48:45 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43C35A75.8010609@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:55:49 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sewing Classes in Canberra, Australia X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3590E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, starting in February, Aylwen Garden be teaching some daytime sewing classes for women through the Brain Gym in Woden, Canberra. Cost per 8 week class is $150, with materials extra (ie, light linen). Benefit of this - you are taken through everything, and you work together in a social environment. Please let Aylwen know asap if you're interested. Numbers are limited. Venue: 87 Schlich Street, Yarralumla Times: 9:30am - 12pm. Weds: Historical Sewing Projects - Renaissance Ladies Underwear - smock, partlet & cap and an introduction to blackwork embroidery. Materials cost extra. Friday: Historical Sewing Projects - Regency Ladies Underwear - bodiced petticoat, pantalets and chemisette. Materials cost extra. Regards, Aylwen aylwen@earthlydelights.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 04:47:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A9ldwe002038 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:47:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A9lVle006748; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A9kWJt079674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A9kP1A055899; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A9kNLZ055845 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freyalynn@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97522 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 09:46:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0/Kn8t9yMfWR9Q6lyul73NBdUFbyKgqUfDEuaHzZSlNOBkl5Jer5ZmgRtIVBE6Nj7+rs86AUlcqcxF4YaRJiYnptuPdiWmUVZiLcajM4pB8ExZ0BGkFTQsguddmLEcgtv4CUDxd9h5ULEnB1lJ/qIt5iAJglZtFPrRglEkxaPPo= ; Message-ID: <20060110094618.97520.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.168.163] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:18 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:18 -0800 (PST) From: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601100150.k0A1oNIT079901@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:47:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C382B3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Is there anyone else out there who hasn't had their Christmas Santa swap prezzie yet, or is it just me? With it now being a couple of weeks past Christmas, I think mine must have disappeared into the postal service's black hole rather than just being delayed. Freyalyn in West Yorkshire, England --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 05:52:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AAqjgh017347 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:52:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AAqbTi010911; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AAq2HO087309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AAq0QL093227; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AApupi093162 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [212.227.126.203] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1EwH6Z-0007Sy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.152] (helo=pustefix152.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1EwH6Z-0004XF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 +0100 Message-Id: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> From: feudtner@festefeiern-online.de To: Subject: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 5525480 X-Routing: DE X-Message-Id: <5525480$1136890315119172.23.4.15224127242@pustefix152.kundenserver.de-1790217657> X-Received: from pustefix152.kundenserver.de by 213.69.142.158 with HTTP id 5525480 for [h-costume@indra.com]; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 CET Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 +0100 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de ident:@172.23.4.152 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AApupi093162 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:52:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C391F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I did not get mine either. I am in Germany. Michaela >Is there anyone else out there who hasn't had their Christmas Santa swap >prezzie yet, or is it just me? With it now being a couple of weeks past >Christmas, I think mine must have disappeared into the postal service's black >hole rather than just being delayed. > > Freyalyn in West Yorkshire, England > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 06:11:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ABBPE3019119 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:11:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ABBHS7021420; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:11:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ABAvKm089037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ABAukZ003242; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ABAsTG003225 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so4801427nzn for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:10:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=qgqotis5w0w31K/xVzTBh+eQtHLZq4EwnNjQzksYj+N5G87+r4vUMDLUD4BaQ4AK10nAlUpUJG8ynpQCp+19jJrCBZ8Sp9n9R0t4hYDv+MdwkptHTTyUa3aMNYOUSSyTejX2OyQOKewFzl54MniDNKI6Mc26froJFyhpObDfo80= Received: by 10.36.72.12 with SMTP id u12mr1408072nza; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [58.165.60.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm1562561nzn.2006.01.10.03.10.51; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:10:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060110220518.03c21190@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:10:50 +1100 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap In-Reply-To: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> References: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:11:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C39655.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Perhaps it would be best for people to email Dawn directly as she has the master list of who was suppose to send to who and also has all the contact details and would therefore able to help? Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 08:47:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ADlOtr003926 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:47:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ADlEDr018438; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:47:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ADkUTC006062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ADkPGp092673; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ADkIVe092559 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0ADkCO29852.; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:12 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:12 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:00 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ADkIVe092559 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:47:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3BAE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I found it hard to believe that women used not to wear drawers until I saw Rowlandson's "Exhibition Stare-Case" - admittedly not 16th century, but... http://www.wisc.edu/english/tkelley/NASSR/images/2Rowlandsonstare2.jpg No doubt in cold weather they put on extra petticoats. After all, underwear was simply a washable lining to your outer clothes; if you didn't wear breeches, you didn't need drawers. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> heather.jones@earthlink.net 10/01/2006 06:26 >>> On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:53 PM, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, > possibly? I > usually do English. > > And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > gets COLD there. > > Thanks for your forbearance, > Tea Rose > My observation, in my research on this general topic, is that logic and practicality are absolutely no guide to the attitudes of a given culture at a given period towards women and underpants. Women either wore them or didn't wear them because it was the appropriate thing to do in their social context and not for any other objective reason. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 09:15:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEFAXG004370 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:15:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEF2fs009227; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:15:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AEDR1l009211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AEDOdQ014122; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AEDKGU013910 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A0F90278; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:13:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Jan 2006 09:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:14:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:15:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3C166.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can even turn a heel!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > There are apparently several very inventive methods, but the one I've heard > of most often involves creating a loop of some sort in the cable for the > circular needle--there are actually books available on the technique, here > in the U.S. Not something I've tried (I'm plenty happy knitting mine one at > a time with DPNs), but I've heard of them. You could probably find > something online pretty easily. I just googled for "magic loop" and > "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: > http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html > http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf > > Hope that gives you some idea of what the technique is.... > --Sue in Montana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > > > > Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > > > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go > to. > > > > How do you knit two stockings at the same time? > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 09:24:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEOX4x004474 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:24:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEOMRE017319; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:24:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AENpfF010379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AENoOq021984; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0AENlr4021908 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94841 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 14:23:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kyiW6k2WeeI4hLu8cHntRJ1HDNbh1kdyOB/NEkE4I6gzHwLY5uLbNfF2sBkzOaDpLMm/ypWk//i+48DNGu7m8w/PuCDfrFTBd0bGMgruU7bQBfplqk18NoqdAJhmdrWTqKm4okOJR91httsZXflH765IiDuJ9n3ktmGMxv017KQ= ; Message-ID: <20060110142341.94839.qmail@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:23:41 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601100150.k0A1oNIT079901@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:stockings/two socks at same time X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3C396.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just finished a pair of knit from the toe up/ knit two at a time socks on two circular needles. While it was an intersting challenge, I don't think I'll do it that way again. Didn't like the toe and didn't like the binding off at the end of the cuff. I did like the use of two circular needles though I've used cotton jersey sheets to good effect in the constuction of 18c stockings (hose?).. They are a bit more stable and a bit less stetchy and while they don't last too to long, they are cheep. Truly period? probably not, but I'm one of the one's that has to be very careful of their feet and legs. I can control the size better with hand done stockings than with store bought. Needs must when the devil drives, especially on tender feet. And no more blisters (or at leat LESS blisters) Now i'll have to go look at the historic knit site, just what I need, another distr4actions ah well, it's wehat makes life intersting. Mia in Charlotte NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 12:18:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHIhiU007248 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHIXfb006400; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AHHcPA050609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHHI4E071752; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHHEkI071592 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISV005SBZYNLDE0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:15:56 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another period program on tv In-reply-to: <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3EC6A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Actually I saw that codpiece info also, and it was written , I believe, by a doctor, not a costume historian. If I can find it, I will post a link. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Elinor Salter Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv > > >They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was >suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" >with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line >about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't >menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only >remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses >at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. > >Leah > >*Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the >syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. > Have you also read the theory that one reason for the development of the codpiece was to help serve as a pouch to disguise (or prevent staining on clothing by) external treatments for the rashes caused by syphilis? What's the name of your book - I'd like to keep an eye out for it. I do love the genre of diagnosing past medical mysteries. -- Elinor Salter _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 12:36:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHaGt8007610 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHa5TR021130; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AHYOYX053016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHO6qe078264; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHNrSk077986 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISW002BO0ALHC20@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:23:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:23:05 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3F085.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did 16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I know, but how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to be dealt with, though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once had an article on 19th C. inovations. Dame Catriona MacDuff Interested in 16th C. womens issues -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:46 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear I found it hard to believe that women used not to wear drawers until I saw Rowlandson's "Exhibition Stare-Case" - admittedly not 16th century, but... http://www.wisc.edu/english/tkelley/NASSR/images/2Rowlandsonstare2.jpg No doubt in cold weather they put on extra petticoats. After all, underwear was simply a washable lining to your outer clothes; if you didn't wear breeches, you didn't need drawers. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> heather.jones@earthlink.net 10/01/2006 06:26 >>> On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:53 PM, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, > possibly? I > usually do English. > > And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > gets COLD there. > > Thanks for your forbearance, > Tea Rose > My observation, in my research on this general topic, is that logic and practicality are absolutely no guide to the attitudes of a given culture at a given period towards women and underpants. Women either wore them or didn't wear them because it was the appropriate thing to do in their social context and not for any other objective reason. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 13:27:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AIRVwc008506 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:27:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AIRMtW004222; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:27:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AIQlaV068376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AIQJEN040480; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AIQ9Vd040239 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:26:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s13so2397194wxc for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fIV93XMl/08/mVXgGOhmIogyv87xK3z24Bz7trpgg9VWVE0m4Wx8Y09a+0sqroEofRKOh9veUF5LIWTghdfqO/utCjyUKkt3DkMXb/HbqJksqg20eMqthDvj+ofwlBDcwr80Ld6FxjCFgt4IDfCp/yhy82KDbqiXCKoJpn1JxIo= Received: by 10.70.89.3 with SMTP id m3mr591759wxb; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.18 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e6527830601101025n4dbc9f71u63224de3b7076c10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:25:58 -0600 From: jordana robinson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AIQ9Vd040239 Subject: [h-cost] victorian millinery - faux feathers from silk ribbons? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:27:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3FC8A.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! a few years ago i took an accessory design class which had a millinery component. when we were learning how to make silk flowers, the teacher brought in a reprint of a victorian (at least i think, but possibly 1920s) millinery trimmings manual that included directions on how to make realistic faux feathers out of silk ribbon. has anybody on the list heard of anything like this? i've been unable to track down that millinery manual or any other reference to making silk feathers online. i'd like to eventually make a german renaissance gown, accessorized with the big foofy hat, but i'd like to avoid trimming the hat with actual bird feathers due to personal ethical concerns. thanks, jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 14:19:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJJRuT009297 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:19:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJJJOb018318; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AJIjaP076339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJGP07089544; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJGJ6d089436 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EwOyg-000DiB-8E for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:16:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:15:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:19:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C408B7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got "The Letters of Abelard and Heloise" for Christmas, and was interested to come across this quote today. Heloise is asking Abelard to draw up a rule for her convent, pointing out that the existing monastic Rule of St Benedict makes no provision for nuns, so they cannot follow it properly. And the first example she cites is: "Leaving aside for the moment the other articles of the Rule; how can women be concerned with what is written there about cowls, drawers or scapulars? Or indeed, with tunics or woollen garments worn next to the skin, when the monthly purging of their superfluous humours must avoid such things?" Of course, this is a 1970s translation of medieval latin clothing terms, but I think we can probably rely on "drawers" and "woollen garments". Caution probably required with "tunics" ;-) Jean Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote >Greetings! > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers >would be rather immaterial. > >Cheers, >Danielle > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I >>usually do English. >> >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It >>gets COLD there. >> >>Thanks for your forbearance, >>Tea Rose > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 14:41:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJfuiK009623 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJfl8h005349; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AJeOat079470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJeJX0012198; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJeEkB012040 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006011019400801400qcg07e>; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:08 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:07 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:07 +0000 Message-Id: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C40DFB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! But Danielle, I was under the impression with reading and the History Channel, that during the Medieval and Renaissance periods Europe was going through what historians/scientists considered a "mini Ice Age". Plus, my finace' who was stationed in Europe has mentioned that when he was involved with Ren faires and the like that the castles were quite chilly. Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did women do during their monthly cycles? And why was it more common for men to wear underwear and not women? I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) Roscelin > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote > >Greetings! > > > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers > >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered > >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until > >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't > >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. > >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going > >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like > >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles > >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat > >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers > >would be rather immaterial. > > > >Cheers, > >Danielle > > > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: > >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear > >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I > >>usually do English. > >> > >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It > >>gets COLD there. > >> > >>Thanks for your forbearance, > >>Tea Rose > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:06:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK66Qm010011 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK5wId026719; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AK4KsK082607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHsYvu008415; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHsO6e008234 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0AHsIj23780.; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:18 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:18 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:01 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AHsO6e008234 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C413A6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We don't really know - such information was too well known/too distasteful to be written down anywhere. Protection that sticks on to the underwear is a very recent development, however. Previously a belt arrangement was used, for which pants were not strictly necessary. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> monicaspence@optonline.net 10/01/2006 17:23 >>> This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did 16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I know, but how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to be dealt with, though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once had an article on 19th C. inovations. Dame Catriona MacDuff Interested in 16th C. womens issues ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:06:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK6DXJ010015 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK65cG028935; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AK4KsQ082607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJDX7B086789; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJDDAZ086436 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24974 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:41:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:41:32 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C413AD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >>> monicaspence@optonline.net 10/01/2006 17:23 >>> > This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did > 16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I > know, but how were they held up? > We don't really know - such information was too well known/too > distasteful to be written down anywhere. Protection that sticks on to > the underwear is a very recent development, however. Previously a belt > arrangement was used, for which pants were not strictly necessary. Self-stick came in when I was in high school. When I started needing protection in the mid-1970s, we used belts, and belt-style pads were still sold for many years after that. There are occasional written references from the middle ages to menstrual cloths (the one I recall was in the context of a nasty comparison of someone/something as being as foul as one, but I'm afraid I read that before I started keeping track of citations, so I don't recall where it was). For someone who isn't starting from an assumption of the presence of underwear, it's a no-brainer to assume the cloths were either tied up with a diaper sort of arrangement or held in place via a belt. And in fact, Poul Norlund's team found the remnants of a sort of belt on one of the female corpses in Herjolfsnes, Greenland. If I remember right without hauling down the notes, it was an arrangement of linen (rag?) pad within a piece of sealskin slung between the legs, which was held by a linen cord around the hips -- sort of a string bikini. The information is tucked into the medical section of the 1924 archaeological report, not with the clothing, so is often overlooked by people who see and read only the clothing section written by Norlund. I don't think it's mentioned at all by Else Ostergard in Woven into the Earth. The doctor writing the 1924 medical analysis concluded from the deformities in the woman's bones that she might have been incontinent, and deduced that the pad was thus an incontinence pad. Heather Rose Jones has pointed out on this list (and I agree) that it could as easily have been a menstrual pad, a possibility not mentioned at all by the doctor. Either way, though, it shows that at least one medieval woman had a means for catching fluids. (I find it particularly interesting that the people preparing her body for burial did not remove the pad.) (In case all that looks familiar, I cribbed most of it from a post I wrote to this list in September 2004, the last time this came up. And that wasn't the first time we talked about it!) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:11:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKBEBM010131 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKB608030990; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AK4KsM082607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHufmF010540; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHuS27010311 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006011017562301300dcjhhe>; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:23 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:20 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:20 +0000 Message-Id: <011020061756.22382.43C3F54400035AB70000576E22073000339C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C414DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The gift I am supposed to send out is going out to my giftee late because I had a bad fall and screwed up my hand and arm (which is a lot better now). Actually it will be going out this week. Unfortunately, the gift is not to anyone in Europe. It would be nice if those who owe gifts to anyone contact Dawn, as I did, and let her know that there has been some sort of delay. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth > Is there anyone else out there who hasn't had their Christmas Santa swap prezzie > yet, or is it just me? With it now being a couple of weeks past Christmas, I > think mine must have disappeared into the postal service's black hole rather > than just being delayed. > > Freyalyn in West Yorkshire, England > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:38:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKcmb5010663 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKcdS8021580; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AKanoQ087426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKahNa065542; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav16.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKadcS065409 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:36:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:36:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 20:36:35.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C8A6940:01C61625] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C41B4F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Up until recently...like the late 1960's, women didn't need underwear to deal with the products used during their cycles. Belts and rags were the choice of the day. Since skirts were worn by women, and their smocks, shifts, chemises were long enough to protect their dresses from any body dirt, along with petticoats, you don't really need underwear. But then men didn't really wear much in the line of underwear for the most part either. Their shirts would have been breeched up around their knarly bits to protect the inside of their breeches. Weird practice though, to my modern eye...why would you give up wearing underwear? Men were wearing braies very early on in history...why give them up? Ahhh! Fashion...it's a fickle thing! Kelly > Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did women do > during their monthly cycles? 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Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 16:06:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL6Lrp011663 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:06:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL6BLb012450; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:06:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AL4LVL091893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKxVYG089147; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKGmI7046868 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so2475930wra for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D2HZye7wJKN83wAFwnmOe4i6BwM3t5YHxzGNlKnzCLqbwf2Y0fnaaRMK4yabzJJb/+7KDEdY2obZTN6Io/kaLojkeidqZQ2vNKdcYA+E44fqK+FnpdaxrNymRnrNPsBt0mD158oBGYwvk6M4wiuJgw2aB/RkNjnrD8dKYMiFLSw= Received: by 10.65.133.10 with SMTP id k10mr3304738qbn; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.112.6 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000601101216w16f7c6c3g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:16:48 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-Reply-To: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C421C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0AL6Lrp011663 If you are pregnant or breastfeeding you are unlikely to have monthly cycles. Admitted women who are not sexually active won't be pregnant much but once you take nuns out of the equasion most women wouldn't need sanitary protection much during their life. On 10/01/06, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > > But Danielle, I was under the impression with reading and the History > Channel, that during the Medieval and Renaissance periods Europe was going > through what historians/scientists considered a "mini Ice Age". Plus, my > finace' who was stationed in Europe has mentioned that when he was involved > with Ren faires and the like that the castles were quite chilly. > > Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did women do > during their monthly cycles? And why was it more common for men to wear > underwear and not women? > > I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) > > Roscelin > > > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote > > >Greetings! > > > > > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers > > >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered > > >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until > > >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't > > >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. > > >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going > > >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like > > >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles > > >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat > > >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers > > >would be rather immaterial. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Danielle > > > > > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: > > >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > > >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? > I > > >>usually do English. > > >> > > >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > > >>gets COLD there. > > >> > > >>Thanks for your forbearance, > > >>Tea Rose > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >h-costume mailing list > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > -- > > Jean Waddie > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 16:07:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL7Igu011678 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL7A7j013949; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AL4LVJ091893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKxW7Y089170; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJtDKs026707 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688002748E for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D398EDBB for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:58 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:58 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:57 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Thread-Index: AcYUQwusrceFrMLKSk6F74z3bikTSQB02y7w From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 19:53:58.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[983AB7A0:01C6161F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AJtDKs026707 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C421FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'm wondering about how compressible that they are. Will she > squish down indefinately with a corset? Say, should I have > one that fits, and then lace her into it to *that* place > because on her it will tighten far more than it does on me? > I even wondered about making a couple of different shells -- > say one for the appropriate level of "squished-ness" for an > Italian -- because I generally don't wear a corset with those. This replay is a little late, but I didn't notice anyone else answering, so here's my experience: I have a Uniquely You dress dummy, and she doesn't compress well at all -- this may be due to the fact that I'm on the small end of the size dress dummy they suggest I buy. I have a great deal of trouble zipping up the sloper that compresses her into my modern shape - I needed my husband to help hold the sloper together while I zipped, and he didn't think we could do it! My corsets will not fit on top of her -- she doesn't have enough squish left. I've considered making a second sloper of me in a Victorian corset, just to try and see. The reason I haven't done so already is (1) I've lost weight and the form doesn't fit me at all anymore. (Sigh. It's a good thing, but sad when your garb don't fit no more). And (2) that the dress form's bust is so firm that I'm not convinced that I can move it into the proper corseted location. However, this is what I'd recommend trying in order to represent your different levels of squish :-). Do note, that if you leave one sloper on the dress form, after awhile the padding will squash into that shape, and won't "rebound" well. Good luck and enjoy! -sunshine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 16:49:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ALnwjA012769 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ALnmQG015310; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ALn4fO098088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALmr4D032689; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALmfQB032462 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF67D24690 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903D7729 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:34 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cleveland, Ohio Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:33 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071701A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Cleveland, Ohio Thread-Index: AcYVUyGOQEhDF2U+SfeoNtqT1JNdrgAyOCBw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 21:48:34.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B1E0E30:01C6162F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ALmfQB032462 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C42BFC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! I didn't see anyone else answer this so I'm going to take a stab -- I just moved to Cleveland though, so I may not be the best person :-) Unfortunately the Cleveland Museum of Art (which has a lovely armor collection) is mostly closed for the next 2 years :-(. They do have one (and only one) exhibit open right now - its on the Arts & Crafts movement of the 19th century. There is one "artistic" dress displayed (I can't remember if it's a day dress or a tea-dress) which has absolutely lovely embroidery. Unfortunately they don't put a mirror behind it, so you have to kind of crane your neck and risk setting off the "you're too close to the artifacts" alarm to see the back side. Overall the exhibit has some lovely furniture pieces - and some fab glasswork, but I was rather disappointed. They didn't put a lot of context around the items so I didn't learn much that I hadn't already known. If you are interested in 20th century stuff the Case Western Reserve Museum had a lovely 20s exhibit. Very inspiring -- I scribbled all over my lunch bag - having forgotten my sketch book. I went a number of months ago, so they may be displaying something else, but they are always displaying _some_ fashion exhibit. Also the tour of the mid-late Victorian town house that is associated with their museum is great fun. :-) I can just imagine children sliding down the long wooden-floored hallway in "the children's wing" :-). I've been dying to get to the Kent State costume museum, but I haven't done so yet... It's not directly in Cleveland, but half and hour to an hour outside. There are probably more textile-related places to see, but those are the only ones I know about so far. Oh, no, that's not true -- the CSA lists the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as having textiles. But I haven't been there either, and I'm positive it's 20th century only :-) -sunshine > I will be traveling to Cleveland, Ohio next week - any > suggestions for must visit fabric or bead stores, museums, etc? > I've been invited to give a talk for "Quester's" group there > by a friend; the title is "From Here to There and Back Again: > A Guide to Travel in Antebellum America". As I don't have a > "proper" travel gown, I plan to dress entirely > inappropriately, i.e.. too colorful, too high style, large > hoop, too much jewelry, too much hand baggage, etc > > Thanks for any suggestions on places to visit, Kelly Dorman > Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 17:21:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMLKv4013815 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:21:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMLAOf005837; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:21:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AMKRVZ002276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMKMgF058769; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMKHgj058576 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110222007.BHWG2765.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:07 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110222006.EIDB14226.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:06 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.17/226]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:08 +1300 Message-ID: <004501c61634$04125aa0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c6162d$db5b7020$6401a8c0@PYC64> Subject: refitting smaller sizesRe: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:08 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:21:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C43356.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > But so much easier to take in than let out, isn't it? Not if you have changed shape or gone down more than a dress size:) Your proportions change and often shoulders and armscyes are the hardest to reshape after taking in elsewhere. It's often easier to make a new sloper etc than refit an old one. Last time I lost a lot of weight due to exercising and extremely restricted calories I totally changed shape and my forn still reflects it. My hips got narrower and my sholders broader. I really need to cut my dummy down and reshape the hips and shoulders. > Betsy, (with the same problem in the opposite direction, but resolved to > remedy the situation this year!! Using Walking/archery/low-carbs so far) Heh, I just rely too much on bread as a protein substitute. As a vegetarian I find protein sources either too expensive, too chemically enhanced or too filling (combining for full protein.) I do love tofu though so I may look into some more options to use it other than the obvious. Yay for it being summer here, I can eat salad until it comes out of my ears. And for the costume content: I need to lose a couple of kilos so I can happily wear a pretty dress or two for some singing comps in April. Two songs in costume! Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again for the musical theatre and What Would I Do for the G&S. Nice contrasting pieces, both options for costume I wanted to do for ages! http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/wishing.htm I've had the fabric since 2001 for the purpose but had no reason to make it. The other will be an early 18thC Mantua:) Or 1780s ensemble.. it depends on what is closer to the original concept of The Grand Duke. And now I need to decide on a song for the restricted section and possibly a sacred song... I don't want to do more than 4 classes. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 10/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 17:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMqNuv014602 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMqFFv028310; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AMpkVd006173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMpeDk084870; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0AMpaV9084729 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45958 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 22:51:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g/pt16mN8hjm+/uuSu8EtPcANZkpdTk2l9HUxR9U8AwitiUHUZ1bAM7YQJxDz2kVJeyPl0wps5QcYhizkoR2lkop9dzyNmV4hnTdM+6T2WpMIVi8c1UgpL49HbulI+U8uevWSSbADOxzkNSrzfo7GYtHuig5fRIvRPO/7sfhr4s= ; Message-ID: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:51:31 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109113101.01d9bc10@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] att. Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C43A9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Bjarne. I have just discovered a source for "kammerdug" very fine linen. I don't know if it is of the right quality, but seems to. I have boiled it and it has kept the crisp hand. You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm wide. Hope you can use this info Tania --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 19:06:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06Mx9016641 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06Er4011089; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B04Pwe015071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMBJVG051233; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMBDWr051036 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110221042.QNHD10467.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:42 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110221041.CNAA1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:41 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.17/226]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:42 +1300 Message-ID: <003301c61632$b2838f20$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C44BF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Self-stick came in when I was in high school. When I started needing > protection in the mid-1970s, we used belts, and belt-style pads > were still sold for many years after that. And tampons were even older though apparently morality issues kept many women from wanting to try them, and advertising was pretty difficult for some time. http://www.mum.org/tamad36.htm And there was a dgap between European women getting to use them and American: http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/359/Kohen.html It's hard to believe a plug like option was never thought of before the 20thC http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/01/sarahk/hers/school/tampon.html Though I'm sure I read someone had found some better evidence somewhere.. But I can't find it. I'm sure there is a real research paper in there, but it's not going to be easy concidering the shame still felt by a lot of women from discussing their periods. I have a book called "The Woman Beautuful." In it menstruation is discussed, but wow! What a lot of hooey! A period should be clear or only lightly tinged with blood and if it was heavy you were guilty of "amavitive thoughts." My latin grammar is dreadful but it was along those lines. In other words shame on you for having a normal period for you must be lustful! And this book was written at the start of the 20thC. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 10/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 19:06:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06MT9016640 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06DAL025526; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B04Pwc015071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALaH1C021878; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALaAeA021736 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:32:54 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... 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But so much easier to take in than let out, isn't it? Betsy, (with the same problem in the opposite direction, but resolved to remedy the situation this year!! Using Walking/archery/low-carbs so far) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of sunshine_buchler@agilent.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:54 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... snippage I've considered making a second sloper of me in a Victorian corset, just to try and see. The reason I haven't done so already is (1) I've lost weight and the form doesn't fit me at all anymore. (Sigh. It's a good thing, but sad when your garb don't fit no more). Good luck and enjoy! -sunshine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 19:28:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B0SDMB017167 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:28:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B0S4QY025802; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:28:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B0RfSF018329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B0Rdjk063681; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B0RZGL063630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:19910 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EwSbb-0004K1-2X for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:08:43 -0600 Message-ID: <02d501c6163a$c82eeab0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:08:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:28:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C45114.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: << I've considered making a second sloper of me in a Victorian corset, just to try and see. The reason I haven't done so already is (1) I've lost weight and the form doesn't fit me at all anymore. (Sigh. It's a good thing, but sad when your garb don't fit no more). And (2) that the dress form's bust is so firm that I'm not convinced that I can move it into the proper corseted location. However, this is what I'd recommend trying in order to represent your different levels of squish :-). Do note, that if you leave one sloper on the dress form, after awhile the padding will squash into that shape, and won't "rebound" well. >> You might want to try what I wound up having to do to fix mine (the bust was about 4 inches too low, and it was just plain too big to compress in various spots): I split the foam thing in two, along the plane where the two halves had been glued together. Then I carved out a bit of the foam from the inside, at the waist and hips, and across the upper bust (so that I could pre-compress the foam there) and glued the two halves back together. Worked like a charm, except that afterwards I had to trim 4 inches off the bottom of the back half so both would be the same height! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 20:13:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B1DDOr018286 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B1D5es022368; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B1CJvR024606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B1CFEK093842; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B1CBUn093793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:20362 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EwUWs-000414-ON for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:59 -0600 Message-ID: <02e801c6164b$ffa3a1f0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen burn test & other tests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C45BA1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Speaking of fine linen, I think I may have just gotten quite a bit of that myself. It's pure linen according to the manufacturer, but... If you saw this stuff, you'd understand why I'm hesitant to take their word for it. (Especially since the pure linen thing is second hand info, albeit from a source I trust.) It looks like a high quality cotton muslin, or maybe cotton sheeting old enough to be worn thin, and though there are a few very faint slubs you have to look at it from a few inches away to notice them. It's not fine when compared to finely woven cottons; it's only fine when compared with other linens. I've done a burn test. However, since this stuff is so thin, the results aren't entirely clear to me. For example, it ignites quickly, but so would just about anything that thin. It burns black then after a couple of seconds leaves a thin feathery gray ash, in the same shape as the fabric, which pretty much dissolves at a touch. The fabric near the edge of the ash is a bit brittle, but not enough that I can really distinguish it from cotton that way. I also tried unraveling the fibers, but again, they're so tiny it's hard to tell or even to unravel them at all. Overall, they're no longer than an inch or so, but from what I've read it's common for fabricmakers to treat other fibers as cotton, and to shred 'em so that they can be spun on their cotton equipment. This stuff does have a bit more stretch to it than cotton would, but less than lycra cotton would; it's also got a bit of that 'cool' feel to it, but it's hard to tell for sure, again, because it's so finely woven. When wet, it does seem to hold a bit more water than a cotton of the same thickness. I have about 8 yards of it in white, and about 16 of it in lavender. The lavender is less stretchy than the white, but still has about the stretch of a linen. The lavender is apparently unbleachable! but lately I've run into several linens that I'm sure ARE linen but have been dyed with some mutant unbleachable dye, so I'm not going by that. Besides, if I did, I'd have to assume it was some sort of man-made fiber, and I'm positive as I can be that it's not. Any ideas? Any other tests I could throw at it? (I have no microscope, btw.) I'd really love for this stuff to be linen, but since it just plain looks so un-linen-like I have to be as sure as I possibly can be before I'll use it AS linen! I'm used to being able to pick out linen just by looking and touching; this is frustrating! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 22:07:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B36w4T025014 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B36nCu028720; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:06:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B35t6R038692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B35n42065208; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:05:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B35hqG065131 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.37] (acty2037.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.37]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E005C276 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:05:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C475FF.7020305@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:05:35 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv References: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:06:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C47649.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >> > Have you also read the theory that one reason for the development of > the codpiece was to help serve as a pouch to disguise (or prevent > staining on clothing by) external treatments for the rashes caused by > syphilis? > > Classic situation of somebody with a PiledHigh and Deep degree working > out of their area of knowledge. The 16th Cent. codpiece was a logical > extension (pardon the pun) of the earlier versions which covered the > join of hose. That is like saying that the rise of poulaines as a > footwear was in response to an historical elongation of the middle > toe, or the Elizabethan ruff as a preventative for the gathering of > dandruff on fashionable clothing. Poor grasp of the subject combined > with a taste for the theatrical does not a reasonable theory make. > Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 22:20:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3JwKq025244 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:20:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3JnaC003848; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B3JO3f040727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3JMfG074629; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3HDRn073139 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.37] (acty2037.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.37]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457A65C272 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:17:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C478B2.3070201@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:17:06 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:19:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C47955.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, All. There was also a consideration that the belt was there to help keep in place a pessary of cloth, a sort of "plug" to assist with a condition called "prolapsed uterus". With no real human tissue left in place, it was an assumption, but a proceedure similar to it is mentioned in 16th Cent. medical texts. Mike T. >And in fact, Poul Norlund's team found the remnants of a sort of belt on >one of the female corpses in Herjolfsnes, Greenland. If I remember right >without hauling down the notes, it was an arrangement of linen (rag?) pad >within a piece of sealskin slung between the legs, which was held by a >linen cord around the hips -- sort of a string bikini. The information is >tucked into the medical section of the 1924 archaeological report, not >with the clothing, so is often overlooked by people who see and read only >the clothing section written by Norlund. I don't think it's mentioned at >all by Else Ostergard in Woven into the Earth. > >The doctor writing the 1924 medical analysis concluded from the >deformities in the woman's bones that she might have been incontinent, and >deduced that the pad was thus an incontinence pad. Heather Rose Jones has >pointed out on this list (and I agree) that it could as easily have been a >menstrual pad, a possibility not mentioned at all by the doctor. Either >way, though, it shows that at least one medieval woman had a means for >catching fluids. (I find it particularly interesting that the people >preparing her body for burial did not remove the pad.) > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 22:26:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3PsKn025351 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3PkWp007479; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:25:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B3PRRx041691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3PQUQ078696; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3PNIG078649 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LXN8ZW0Z74ACABUP@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:25:04 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LXN8ZOBFW29VVOH0@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:24:54 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:25:06 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-reply-to: <43C478B2.3070201@dandy.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43C47A92.1060308@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <43C478B2.3070201@dandy.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:25:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C47ABA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. There was also a consideration that the belt was there to > help keep in place a pessary of cloth, a sort of "plug" to assist with > a condition called "prolapsed uterus". With no real human tissue left > in place, it was an assumption, but a proceedure similar to it is > mentioned in 16th Cent. medical texts. Mike T. Wait, wait, I have an Occam's Razor here somewhere! -- Adele de Maisieres ***************************** Book now for Canterbury Faire http://sg.sca.org.nz/cf.htm ***************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 23:15:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4FxBw026609 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4Fopg004107; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B4E8L9047228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B4E35L010019; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0B4Dubl009911 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 43206 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 04:13:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vMa0HAAXcbgPJS6soCmKm4uAGNbf553hS1cOP219B4j6PsaTMt0mLTn18XlKoHHN/DSFS3Ru9g3FYrr8oLvR9FvJ8bw4yMQBy63Pjpv2WvJp8g9PoMgIMDogtf8e+8NY5xStjJY51dJ6ROW3QWEzBFq2w8VadVUVlF3bahAPBY4= ; Message-ID: <20060111041351.43204.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.168] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:51 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:51 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen burn test & other tests To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <02e801c6164b$ffa3a1f0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C48676.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Any ideas? Any other tests I could throw at it? (I have no microscope, btw.) I'd really love for this stuff to be linen, but since it just plain looks so un-linen-like I have to be as sure as I possibly can be before I'll use it AS linen! I'm used to being able to pick out linen just by looking and touching; this is frustrating! Try scrunching up a fist of fabric and hold for a moment and release. If there are lots of sharp creases = linen/ lots of soft creases= cotton/ a few soft creases= blend of natural fiber/polyester/no creases = polyester. If you need to, do this with fabric you know the content of to see what the fiber does. This works great when fabric shopping because no one has to get upset about a lighter in the store! alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 23:29:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4TltA026925 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4Td3B012754; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B4TKqu048828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B4THqg019173; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B4TDex019134 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TP9l4zirLKUvYM9u1C0SwnIpZ87/WSZwtLLNSaDj+yBSntN7vII/dvdBZLyHdGNL; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.147.78] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwXbk-00067d-Rz for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:29:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478e4518b16d6a8a9851439337dc81901df8616b08e54dce06d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.147.78 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C489B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > And why was it more common for men to wear underwear and not women? > > I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) There's a lot of evidence that medieval Europeans considered underpants to represent "masculinity" in a symbolic way. That is, men wore underpants and women didn't because underpants were intrinsically a masculine garment. This may seem like a circular argument, but social attitudes towards gendered clothing always seem to end up that way. For a 21st century comparison, substitute "dresses and women" for "underpants and men". There's no logical reason why women wear dresses and men don't other than because society says that dresses are an inherently feminine garment and therefore it's inappropriate for men to wear them. All the logic and reason in the world can't fight it. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 00:08:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B58QYK027810 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:08:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B58GLA001622; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B57kH3052826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B57hNo041751; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B57eNx041685 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29529 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:01 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:08:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C492C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Heather's point about drawers/braies/breeches = masculinity is paramount. Beyond that, though, the lack of underwear on women is not nearly so "impractical" as some people seem to assume. To begin with, it's worth noting that underwear worn with a long skirt can make toileting really awkward, especially if you're squatting over a chamberpot/ditch/whatever. If you have to pull everything up so that you can then pull something down, and then you have to straddle and squat over a target ... quite a balancing act if you're wearing drawers, and even with slit drawers (that don't need pulling down), you still have to reach under the skirts to get the fabric out of the line of fire. Without any drawers, it's an easy matter to step over the pot and squat, using your knees to help spread the skirts away from the body. Of course it would be more complicated during menstruation, but it is for us too. (Spread-and-squat is still typical in certain cultures in which women wear long robes. I remember a picturesque description by a Western female traveler on a bus ride through the middle east: When it came time for a pit stop, the bus stopped out in the middle of the desert. The women went on one side of the bus and sank gracefully down to the sand, their skirts spread in circles around them. The men went to the other side of the bus and peed against the bus [what is it about having to have a standing target, anyway?]. The pants-wearing female Westerner had a much harder time of it -- I believe she learned to carry an umbrella to use as a portable wall.) For men, toileting is done differently from women at least half the time, which changes the mechanical considerations. It's interesting to note that in tunic-wearing periods, men often had shorter garments than women did, which would mean less bulk to lift out of the way. Of course there were many influences on style besides anatomical ones, but this issue may have been one factor in the gender differences in hem length. And as someone else has noted, braies/breeches/drawers were not universal on men even in these periods. It's quite possible, too, that men found it equally useful to go without underwear under long, full robes like houppelandes. Several people have brought up the question of cold climate with the idea that drawers would be logical/necessary for warmth. Just as one data point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, and I have never noticed any chill up the skirts; the only parts I've noticed to suffer in cold weather are the feet. Given the proper number of layers in the skirts and the use of insulating natural fibers, the area under the skirts seems to maintain its own warm environment. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 01:41:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B6fQ4P029892 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:41:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B6fIOY017946; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:41:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B6eV1p061370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:40:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B6eQf6091845; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B6eMtm091825 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tUg6++g4gOwV3NhoSHVNxt+guZ3QtweNuAuv/VJwqmkaTW3apEWOduNbx/lBIHFI; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwZeg-0000u3-MA for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:40:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00d201c61679$e5d54110$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:40:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48c08465ff5b5ce66334bb5c0d4135677e3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:41:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4A88E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! snip > Several people have brought up the question of cold climate with the idea > that drawers would be logical/necessary for warmth. Just as one data > point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, and I have never > noticed any chill up the skirts; the only parts I've noticed to suffer in > cold weather are the feet. Given the proper number of layers in the skirts > and the use of insulating natural fibers, the area under the skirts seems > to maintain its own warm environment. > > --Robin I've found the only time that I really 'need' to wear drawers under my costumes, are when it's really hot. In hot weather having split crotch drawers on keeps things from chafing, and the split enables me to still answer nature's call when wearing a corset and several layers of skirts. That somewhat explains why Italian women wore them and English women didn't. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 02:36:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B7aAWE006178 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:36:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B7a2dS012580; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:36:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B7ZDXQ066587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B7ZA4c021667; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B7Z65U021555 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.77.53fa491a (63000) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <77.53fa491a.30f60f20@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:34:56 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:36:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4B562.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! was about to suggest that - although sometimes treated cottons do the same thing. the other thing is something you start to notice when you handkle linen a lot - and apologies that this will sound a bit vague and away with the fairies, but if you run your hand over the cloth, linen threads have a kind of hardness to them - it's as though you can feel each individual thread - with cotton it feels much smoother - more like a single piece. (sorry - told you it woould be vague). Also there's the rip test. If you have enough fabric, make little snip about 2 inches from the cut edge, then rip down the weft. 9 times out of 10, the cotton will have a flat, soft (if feathery) edge, linen will crinkle and curl at one of the ripped edges. It comes from the fact that cotton is't as strong as linen, but is less britle, so when the threads snap, they do so with less force - linen is very strong, but also quite britle, so when it does snap, the linen will snap more violently, in its own little way. Plus linen will almost certainly be harder to tear than cotton. Although, again some modern treatments can alter the properties, it works most times. debs In a message dated 1/11/06 6:41:45 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Try scrunching up a fist of fabric and hold for a moment and release. If > there are lots of sharp creases = linen/ lots of soft creases= cotton/ a few > soft creases= blend of natural fiber/polyester/no creases = polyester. If you > need to, do this with fabric you know the content of to see what the fiber > does. > This works great when fabric shopping because no one has to get upset about > a lighter in the store! > > alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 03:30:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B8UEnp019998 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:30:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B8U4ij005138; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B8Sfak071462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B8SaFP054064; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B8SWdr054022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:28:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 5963 invoked by uid 507); 11 Jan 2006 19:28:30 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 19:28:30 +1100 Message-ID: <06e301c61688$ff111230$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <77.53fa491a.30f60f20@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen testing Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:28:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:30:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4C20C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My test is that I find the linen cut edge to be stiff when you tap your fingers on the ends of the threads (I usually peel some of the cross threads away, giving about 5mm of end threads). Cotton has a soft feel. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 04:07:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B97fHN028073 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:07:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B97XJ2023876; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:07:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B96NV9073964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B96Kaw072454; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B96GFm072374 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0B96BR02275.; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:11 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:03 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman drawers, was Medieval quote on underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0B96GFm072374 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:07:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4CAD5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> robin@shell.nightowl.net 11/01/2006 05:36 >>> wrote: >For men, toileting is done differently from women at least half the time, >which changes the mechanical considerations. It's interesting to note that >in tunic-wearing periods, men often had shorter garments than women did, >which would mean less bulk to lift out of the way. Of course there were >many influences on style besides anatomical ones, but this issue may have >been one factor in the gender differences in hem length. And as someone >else has noted, braies/breeches/drawers were not universal on men even in >these periods. It's quite possible, too, that men found it equally useful >to go without underwear under long, full robes like houppelandes. Apropos of that, I noticed that in the TV series "Rome", which has recently ended in the UK, the soldiers wore thigh-length "shorts" under their tunics. I thought I had read that these were only worn when campaigning in cold climates? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:19:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCJjPG003442 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:19:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCJaZd023226; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:19:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCIwup011354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCIhLB077822; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCISkN077644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 13519 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 03:04:55 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13448, pid: 13513, t: 0.4047s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1237 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 03:04:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c6169e$db2bea50$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:04:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Where to Go In London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:19:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4F7D8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi All, this might seem like a strange request from a brit but I'm having a day to myself in London tommorow and i wondered if anyone has any ideas of where to go that's costume related? My original plan was 'Handweavers Studio then the museum of childhood, but just discovered museum is closed until later in the year. I thought of asking people here because I've noticed how often we don't notice what's on our own door step. Much as i love the V&A, National Gallery, MOL, Portrait Gallery, wallace collection etc. I'd love to try somewhere new. All ideas gratefully recieved. cheers Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:30:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCU0bR003701 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCTqTJ028749; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:29:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCTTNd012144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCTR2r083774; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B2OhXi038435 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.110.151]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060111022442.QPLY20927.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:24:42 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060110211439.00b9c8b0@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:24:31 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Linen burn testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:29:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FA40.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Use your microscope and have a look at your fibers under 250x to 500x magnification. Flax fibers (linen) have a somewhat bamboo looking shape. You get the bamboo like segments and when viewed in cross section there is actually a dark looking (hollow?) centre like bamboo has. Cotton fibers on the other hand is long with a gentle twisting to the fiber. In cross section cotton appears as a kidney bean shape. Cotton also has a dark centre but it is a squashed line instead of the more open looking centre of linen. Hope that helps! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:30:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCUIUn003718 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCU9DQ029766; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCTiL1012195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCThGj084000; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B38mR6067176 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.37] (acty2037.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.37]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924F85C1E7 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:08:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C476B9.3000203@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:08:41 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FA51.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Now that's reenactment that I can get into...Whoohoo! Mike T. >I found it hard to believe that women used not to wear drawers until I saw Rowlandson's "Exhibition Stare-Case" - admittedly not 16th century, but... http://www.wisc.edu/english/tkelley/NASSR/images/2Rowlandsonstare2.jpg > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:35:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZZqs003830 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZRdk032164; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCZ3rF012704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCZ0C3086994; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B41a6l002432 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC4B8C749 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C48370.4080609@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:02:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap References: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> In-Reply-To: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FB8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! feudtner@festefeiern-online.de wrote: > I did not get mine either. I am in Germany. > Michaela, Your exchange partner says she's been ill, but will be able to mail it this week. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:35:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZiul003833 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZZiS030739; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCZD3d012716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCZCNT087130; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B438si003507 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC398C6EF for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:03:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C483D0.3070403@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:04:32 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap References: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> In-Reply-To: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FB97.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And one of these days I'll remember to check before sending private email to the list. Sorry. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:45:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCjLj4004060 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCjDcf005272; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:45:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCil9T013681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCikvT092612; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCieFY092532 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00426 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:13:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:13:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20060110211439.00b9c8b0@pop8.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:45:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FDD9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Dawn Luckham wrote: > Use your microscope and have a look at your fibers under 250x to 500x > magnification. Flax fibers (linen) have a somewhat bamboo looking > shape. You get the bamboo like segments and when viewed in cross > section there is actually a dark looking (hollow?) centre like bamboo > has. Cotton fibers on the other hand is long with a gentle twisting > to the fiber. In cross section cotton appears as a kidney bean shape. > Cotton also has a dark centre but it is a squashed line instead of the > more open looking centre of linen. How do you get the cross-section in a nonprofessional setup? I have used my microscope on fibers, but have never figured out how to see anything but the side view. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 08:17:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BDHlhE004827 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:17:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BDHcFM025301; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:17:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BDHANo016741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BDH6EU010310; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BDGXN8010047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 26006 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 03:58:59 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25854, pid: 26001, t: 0.4184s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1238 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 03:58:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:58:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Delicate Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:17:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C50572.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.mum.org/ fascinating website. Quite a bit of evidence that for some women nothing was used! With regard to sanitary protection, for some women perhaps they didn't need protection that often anyway. A combination of pregnancy and full breast feeding could mean only a fraction of the periods modern women experience. I myself experienced almost 3 blissful years with the pregnancy and feeding of my youngest! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 09:06:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BE603K006011 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BE5qqa027588; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:05:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BE5FfF022386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BE5Dfp040072; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BE59B0040033 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.171.225] (dialup-4.249.171.225.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.171.225]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BE51XK012546 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:05:04 -0800 Message-ID: <43C5109A.3080200@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:05:14 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:05:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C510C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > I have a Uniquely You dress dummy, and she doesn't compress well at all -- this may be due to the fact that I'm on the small end of the size dress dummy they suggest I buy. I have a great deal of trouble zipping up the sloper that compresses her into my modern shape - I needed my husband to help hold the sloper together while I zipped, and he didn't think we could do it! My corsets will not fit on top of her -- she doesn't have enough squish left. it's always a wrestling match. I have one, and since I'm larger than the size of the dummy, I didn't alter the sloper at all - and STILL wanted another hand or two to put the thing on. I remember when a friend got one years ago, it took both of us, nearly actually on top fo the thing to get the shell on it. But then, that's the point: the shell is supposed to be tight like that to make the foam compress like under skin and you are struggling with being on the small edge so you have more to compress in. T'ain't easy, though! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:15:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFFh1Q007833 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:15:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFFYev019108; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:15:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFEYgI030919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFETuI092466; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFENAt092339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0BF53fN013735 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:04 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C520CA.1080507@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:14:18 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delicate Subject References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> In-Reply-To: <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:15:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52116.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Joy Shillaker wrote: > A combination of pregnancy and full > breast feeding could mean only a fraction of the periods modern women > experience. I myself experienced almost 3 blissful years with the > pregnancy and feeding of my youngest! On the other hand, even nursing twins, my period was back in about 4-5 months. I don't doubt that it works for some women, but I'd be reluctant to assume it was this way for a majority. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:32:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWfI9008261 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWX1S001097; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFVxa8033389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFVtFp006826; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:31:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFVptQ006756 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.186]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0833B5EE062 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:31:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001e01c616c4$215816a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000a01c6169e$db2bea50$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:31:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52511.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Joy, Kensington Pallace. The entrance is at Notting Hill Station, and trough the gateway into the park. They usually have exhibition about court wear, and last i was there, there was a tailors shop with mens tailoring for the 18th century. Gorgeous embroidered suits!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Where to Go In London > Hi All, this might seem like a strange request from a brit but I'm having > a day to myself in London tommorow and i wondered if anyone has any ideas > of where to go that's costume related? My original plan was 'Handweavers > Studio then the museum of childhood, but just discovered museum is closed > until later in the year. I thought of asking people here because I've > noticed how often we don't notice what's on our own door step. Much as i > love the V&A, National Gallery, MOL, Portrait Gallery, wallace collection > etc. I'd love to try somewhere new. All ideas gratefully recieved. cheers > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:32:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWkgQ008262 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWcjX011659; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFWGNp033422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFWFdt007066; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFWB5G007025 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from psouper@verizon.net) Received: from Owner ([70.105.91.83]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ISX00GD9PTGZ290@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:32:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:03 -0500 From: "P. Ekin" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <000601c616c4$2cf2d270$2f01a8c0@Owner> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> <43C520CA.1080507@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Delicate Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52516.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Average length of amenorrhea for mothers who are exclusively breastfeeding is 14 months. A nice phase to be in! <<< -- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:34:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFYua8008332 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:34:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFYm1F002999; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:34:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFXTkC033590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFXPrx007952; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav9.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFXDbr007704 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:33:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.111.133.86 by BAY108-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:33:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.111.133.86] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 15:33:07.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[527D6AF0:01C616C4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:34:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52598.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0BFYua8008332 >May i ask >where did you buy your knitted material. >I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. >There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial >Williamsburg i could >use. >Bjarne I have found cotton knit at any of the lower end fabric stores here in the States, especially in the summer, although I do have to watch carefully to make sure it's 100% cotton. I also found the lovely white lacey fabric used for the stockings shown on my site on eBay. For wool knit (jersey)I need to go to the high end fabric stores which cater to those of us looking for "real" fabrics. I'm sure it is also available at online stores. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:46:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFkgxo008628 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:46:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFkYcl013753; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:46:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFk2IH035939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFk0Eo020181; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFjtkT020101 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.186]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A1AC1262876 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006a01c616c6$1eb67ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:46:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5285A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Tania, Yes i have found out of this. This was a surprise to me two, because this quality is simply the finest i have ever seen. It would be lovely for fine chemises and mens shirts, and also for chemise a la reine with laces. But thanks for thinking of me! Also for trimmings it would be perfect....... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > Hi Bjarne. > > I have just discovered a source for "kammerdug" very fine linen. I don't > know if it is of the right quality, but seems to. I have boiled it and it > has kept the crisp hand. > > You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm > wide. > > Hope you can use this info > > Tania > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:56:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFuFZA008886 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:56:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFu59E021935; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:56:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFtXnh037410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFtVnU028863; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0BFtRtL028763 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93734 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 15:55:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gUE8SyQFj1/V/TysbSQCYnajQFSwDyH6dUJvjzuR2ttljvi+7/Sv/pD0awJJ/Ze1g83lDikmIPooNvH90a/i6vzDxEocN18ewKzt8I8AiB6wci9AFJcp3HSaCBhTwPrRu/DYs4Mb7Ks3hj0ghjx3paASD1P8iANy42peieQwpZo= ; Message-ID: <20060111155522.93732.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:55:22 PST Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:55:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601081433.k08EXI0X033654@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52A95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:59:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFxfIW008960 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFxWZd024813; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFwmYr038070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFwiv5032078; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:58:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFwWaI031907 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.186]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 337FB47FF02 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:58:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00ad01c616c7$dda04910$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: knit stockings Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:58:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52B64.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Kelly, Thanks for this................ Ill go looking at my fabric stores here in Copenhagen. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "KELLY" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings >May i ask >where did you buy your knitted material. >I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. >There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial >Williamsburg i could >use. >Bjarne I have found cotton knit at any of the lower end fabric stores here in the States, especially in the summer, although I do have to watch carefully to make sure it's 100% cotton. I also found the lovely white lacey fabric used for the stockings shown on my site on eBay. For wool knit (jersey)I need to go to the high end fabric stores which cater to those of us looking for "real" fabrics. I'm sure it is also available at online stores. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:13:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDSa5009364 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDJCI003968; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGCVjT040231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCRY9045118; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCME8044996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0BG31fN016121 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:03:01 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:03:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:12:15 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52EA0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! To satisfy my calendar urge, I ended up getting the new calendar from Chick-Fil-A, which is medieval and renaissance cows. The reticulated hennin one isn't too bad. "Cows in shining armor" http://www.shopchick-fil-a.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/74/category/Bookstore/browse/null/MenuGroup/Home/desc/2006%20Chick%252Dfil%252DA%25AE%20Calendar%3CBR%3E%2593Cows%20In%20Shining%20Armor%2594.htm -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:13:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDZSp009374 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDRfY024220; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGCwA0040296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCwin045627; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCsUi045560 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:12:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:12:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060111155522.93732.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:12:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:12:54.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CEE1D0:01C616C9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52EA7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I would appreciate seeing other costumes for Mother Ginger. We want to put it on wheels as well. maybe I can tell from the pictures. Thanks for the offer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > Hi Becky, > > My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M > Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. > You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could > be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to > create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape > and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape > and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to > come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold > the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers > who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is > attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M > Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. > > We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that > their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about > that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing > the costume and it "glides" across the stage. > > I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if > you'd like to see them. > > HTH, > ~mary > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 > From: "Becky" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the > Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the > hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the > first > of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a > pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the > pictures I've found have been very helpful. > Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how > to > make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It > has > to be large for that character. > > > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGmIC009491 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGcth006557; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGG4h0040796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGG0e3048361; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav14.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGFrOF048160 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:15:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:15:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060111155522.93732.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:15:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:15:44.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[463D1190:01C616CA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52F66.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Where did you see the ballet last year? Maybe I can contact the company for ideas on the costume. If you don't mind telling me that is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > Hi Becky, > > My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M > Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. > You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could > be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to > create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape > and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape > and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to > come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold > the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers > who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is > attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M > Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. > > We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that > their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about > that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing > the costume and it "glides" across the stage. > > I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if > you'd like to see them. > > HTH, > ~mary > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 > From: "Becky" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the > Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the > hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the > first > of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a > pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the > pictures I've found have been very helpful. > Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how > to > make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It > has > to be large for that character. > > > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGmAT009490 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGdRP025129; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGFnKd040769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGFegZ048109; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGFZgB048040 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.110.151]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060111161534.QFVA8316.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:15:34 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060111110605.00b9f600@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:15:14 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] linen testing / cross section X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52F67.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! [How do you get the cross-section in a nonprofessional setup? I have used my microscope on fibers, but have never figured out how to see anything but the side view.} LOL! Truth be told, I don't often manage it myself. :P I try to cut very short, fragmented pieces of fiber (almost like dicing an onion). Every once in a while one or two pieces of fiber end up in the right position on the microscope slide to be viewed as a cross section. Linen really doesn't need to be viewed this way to be recognized though, as the bamboo like characteristics are very recognizable when viewed as full length fibers. - It'd be great, on the other hand if I could reliably get a good cross section view for cottons. :o) Dawn L. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:26:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGQW59009767 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:26:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGQObY014565; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGPooe042191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGPkXA057648; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav2.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGPXOo057415 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:25:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.111.133.86 by BAY108-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:25:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.111.133.86] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:25:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:25:31.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4431630:01C616CB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:26:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C531B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0BGQW59009767 >Mid-19th century is different than 18thC. From what I >can tell, >stockings cut from knit yardgoods were only in use for a >short time. >If you have infrmation about this for 19thC, I am >very .curious! From >what I can tell, cut and sewn was not at all common for >the 19thC. From The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. Hosiers: A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into the articles wanted. Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. From: The new American cyclopaedia: a popular dictionary of general knowledge. Ed. by George Ripley and Charles A. Dana ... Ripley, George, ed. Dana, Charles A. ed. (Charles AndersonNew York [etc]: D. Appleton and company1859-1863. Stocking: The shaping of the web to fit the foot is matter of no little ingenuity. The flat web is either knit in long strips of sufficient width to make when turned over several stockings which are cut out from the web. From: The Hosiery Resource Centre Full-fashioned stockings are knitted flat, than fashioned, or shaped, by hand manipulation and hand seamed up the back. Knitting is back and forth across the fabric (weft knitting) on a straight-bar machine invented by William Cotton in 1864. The stocking is started at the top with the welt, an extra-thick section for gartering. The fabric is shaped by reducing the number of needles at the ankle, then adding needles at the heel, and again reducing the number through the foot. Seamless stockings are knitted on circular machines, brought out in the mid-19th century. For many years such stockings were a straight, knitted tube that did not fit as well as the full-fashioned, because stitches cannot be added or dropped in circular knitting by machine. (I've seen reference to these as "leg-bags", obviously not a compliment in an age which prized a trim ankle!) I agree that modern knit fabric is stretchier than that found in earlier periods, based on the originals I have been able to examine. However, with this method I am able to mimic the technique used in the period with 100% natural materials and end up with a product that fits and is closer to period stockings than anything currently being offered by vendors - it works for me Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:34:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGYUwG009967 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGYMem020904; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGXtew043542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGXptU065440; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGXiQC065324 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:33:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:33:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601110640.k0B6eRtu091855@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:33:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:33:40.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7B141E0:01C616CC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5338E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Just a couple of bits. First, it's unlikely that any Herjofsnes garments were found with linen pads of any sort (linen has not survived in the conditions at Herjofsnes). What may be being remembered is the polar bear breeches from Angmagssalik (now called Tasiilaq), and may not be even Norse. It's also possible that they are thinking of whatever those seal skin things that I've heard Robin mention. Women and breeches. In a recent work by Margarette Nockert, the Skjoldehamn trousers were redated and also were described as a woman's garment. This doesn't really bother me since in one of the Sagas (sdon't ask me which right now) a woman was accused of wearing "gusseted trousers, like a man's", which could be construed as meaning that women (in that time and place) might wear ungusseted trousers. And quite honestly, "little ice age" or not, I think that NOT wearing something under your skirts in a Scandinavian winter is unlikely. In Italy, things might be different. I have rants on the ubiquity of the "little ice age" as an an excuse for things, and the "women were pregnant all the time" myth, but I think they may be off topic for this list. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:38:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGcCBC010039 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:38:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGc4nC024148; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGbioL044187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGbdVH069004; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f26.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGbXsD068875 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:37:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:37:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601111612.k0BGCVtk045174@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:37:31.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[5151CD20:01C616CD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:38:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5346C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:57:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGvNcP010536 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGvFvH007983; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGugLF047062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGuTWt086914; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGuN0V086821 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joycebre@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so183529wra for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=E7AtlWg5PP5Ru58N2ruO8CDHkyIw4Q17m1QjuMLE5lCLryYXaSkM+1lJUeInvT1xOZ/6lik7Qv2hEh1g/ltY68YEi0E0YoIBN0wHJ0eY5s2UQlqmBt6/cctWhYbX75qOYJEqzVVUySkLSYV3+tNJmTRUK5TXsLlhK4lBZMFUvRU= Received: by 10.54.139.12 with SMTP id m12mr2322476wrd; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.65.19 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:21 -0800 From: Gianetta To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601110640.k0B6eRtu091855@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200601110640.k0B6eRtu091855@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 28 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C538EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0BGvNcP010536 Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:46 -0600 > From: "E House" > Subject: [h-cost] linen burn test & other tests > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <02e801c6164b$ffa3a1f0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Any ideas? Any other tests I could throw at it? (I have no microscope, > btw.) I'd really love for this stuff to be linen, but since it just plain > looks so un-linen-like I have to be as sure as I possibly can be before > I'll > use it AS linen! I'm used to being able to pick out linen just by looking > and touching; this is frustrating! > > -E House I use the 'washing machine test'. It's not scientific, but it's helpful for me. Put your linen and some fabric that you know cotton (about the same weight/weave) in the washer. After running it through a cycle, pull and tug both fabrics. Linen is stronger when wet, cotton is weaker when wet. You should be able to tell if there's a difference. -- Joyce _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 12:36:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BHaogd011563 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:36:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BHagDT009540; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:36:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BHZosg052980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BHZNlT025494; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BHZELO025236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EwjsC-0007H1-Eu; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:35:00 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:35:00 -0600 Message-ID: <20060111113500.4ootk03jlc9wwkkk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:35:00 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting Dawn Luckham : > > LOL! Truth be told, I don't often manage it myself. :P > I try to cut very short, fragmented pieces of fiber (almost like > dicing an onion). Every once in a while one or two pieces of fiber > end up in the right position on the microscope slide to be viewed as > a cross section. That's probably the easiest -- (mind you, I've never done this with fiber -- it didn't dawn on me at all to try and have a lookie-see. *duh* smacks self in forehead) > > Linen really doesn't need to be viewed this way to be recognized > though, as the bamboo like characteristics are very recognizable when > viewed as full length fibers. - It'd be great, on the other hand if > I could reliably get a good cross section view for cottons. :o) > And it makes sense, now that I think about it. What you have in linen, if I'm not badly mistaken, are the vascular fibers in the stems. And that (bamboo) is what they should look like. You may even be able to see the spiral thickenings in the inside of the tracheids. I'm going to have to do some investigation. Cotton, on the other hand, is composed of the fibers that surround the seed. Each individual cotton fiber is a single, elongated cell -- we call them hairs (for an analogue that you're probably familiar with -- the inside of an orange!). The linen fibers are multicellular. Of course, I had to go poke around the web, so ... http://tinyurl.com/86kls (you have to follow the links to the pictures) http://tinyurl.com/7uvql microscope images of various fibers http://tinyurl.com/8a9xo from the USDA. unfortunately, I can't find one for linen like this. http://tinyurl.com/bhvz6 from this page http://invsee.asu.edu/ImageGallery/Real/LifeSciences/Em/FIBERS/ with micrographs of *lots* of fibers both animal and vegetable. and for some pretty polarized light micrographs http://tinyurl.com/d6lvc Jerusha, the biology geek ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 14:06:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJ6UAn014037 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:06:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJ6LwV014717; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BJ4YFB066597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:05:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BI7P3Q057193; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0BI7DmB056900 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58494 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 18:06:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IovLrwDL5xXtNJCM9wGsubUBXh0Jz3yVaFnJwAebJBLK7/oFT/eP9tla1xz77zF3V+ukgIBKXb6lwTLQyl1LWs+UAnVMP53U7u91T8lHpAJhVjZfpj9O/zSUwBkPkXJ9oT2tYqzhdD697xCqFmOmfcCol/LQetaSYX16af3oiNY= ; Message-ID: <20060111180658.58492.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:58 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:58 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] please send me old digests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:06:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5572D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello could someone please send me (OFF LIST) digests 22 to 27 - if they have them? My in box has just not collected them for some reason, although I've had 28 and 29. It's weird to come into conversations half way through! many thanks, Katherine S. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 14:16:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJGVYC014338 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:16:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJGNKi022445; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BJFdDS068324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BJFXIA027317; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BJFQQn027188 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [80.184.157.117] (helo=michaela) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1EwlRM0D7Y-00078r; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c616e4$a5950840$0202a8c0@michaela> From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000a01c6169e$db2bea50$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:7e614aaf292c2b5ff52c82c5afb1ffa4 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:16:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C55987.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you really have some hours, I would like to suggest Kenwood House which is in Hampstead. A country manor in London! Lots of wonderful furniture and paintings. It has been a while since I've been there but I seem to remember they had some clothing as well (not much, but still...). Anyway have fun! Michaela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Where to Go In London > Hi All, this might seem like a strange request from a brit but I'm having a > day to myself in London tommorow and i wondered if anyone has any ideas of > where to go that's costume related? My original plan was 'Handweavers Studio > then the museum of childhood, but just discovered museum is closed until > later in the year. I thought of asking people here because I've noticed how > often we don't notice what's on our own door step. Much as i love the V&A, > National Gallery, MOL, Portrait Gallery, wallace collection etc. I'd love > to try somewhere new. All ideas gratefully recieved. cheers > Joy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 15:12:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKCYmh015959 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:12:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKCPkM006036; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:12:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BKA93r078351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKA5VF082644; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BK9u96082491 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04550 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:12:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C566A9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote: > I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that > extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get > pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. It does both. Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You don't have periods without ovulating. (It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.) (The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into this discussion, in any case.) Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit it just as your ovaries get back in action. --Robin medical editor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 15:25:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKPEDV016301 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:25:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKP6mq016055; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:25:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BKODhT080568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:24:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKNx3V096204; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKNk5E095882 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1963B7675 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC94F41E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:36 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:35 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B07170788@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Thread-Index: AcYWy2jmNygp7/LgQDS6tfodRh+VHgAIAMyg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 20:23:36.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6A00EE0:01C616EC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0BKNk5E095882 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:25:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C569A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have two lesser-known favorite museums in London, neither of them have textile stuff but they're still quite fun: 1) The Geffrye Museum (http://www.geffrye-museum.org.uk/) which is a museum of interiors -- it's got a room decorated in the style from the reign of each major monarch starting at about 1600 (I can't remember if it includes Elizabeth I or not...). The museum itself is in the suburbs of London. 2) Sir John Soane's Museum (http://www.soane.org/) which is the house of a regency architect (quite lovely) and includes his painting collection (which has the complete Rake's Progress by Hogarth in oils!) and his Egyptian mummy! Hope that helps, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 15:39:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKdbaN016784 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKdT1w027548; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BKcPbv082887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKcLlK011105; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKcHFB010903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EwmjO-0001Q1-2w; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:06 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:06 -0600 Message-ID: <20060111143806.tsizd6ho46iskcs0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:06 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C56D01.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote: > >> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that >> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get >> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. > > It does both. > > Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops > menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You > don't have periods without ovulating. > *snippage* > > Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start > ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had > your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods > come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally > advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you > can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit > it just as your ovaries get back in action. > Yeah. I have a rather surprising number of friends who have childres 11 months apart. They forgot the cardinal rule -- you ovulate *before* that first period (generally) not afterwards! My grandmother was so irregular, she never knew when she was pregnant until she started growing out of her clothes! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 18:07:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BN7Rtu019924 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:07:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BN7JPS004156; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BN6ZlF007883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BN6Ni1055456; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn3.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BN6BMa055208 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 29ACE60327; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Received: from [142.161.144.66] by mprdmailfe5.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:01 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 17fdb5a5be73fecb400dab6095d88574 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060111230602.29ACE60327@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:07:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C58FA7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On the non-physical side, having a small child forever attatched to you makes it difficult to get the chance to get pregnant. Wendy --- On Wed 01/11, Robin Netherton < robin@shell.nightowl.net > wrote: From: Robin Netherton [mailto: robin@shell.nightowl.net] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote:

> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that
> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get
> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation.

It does both.

Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops
menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You
don't have periods without ovulating.

(It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal
uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but
typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.)

(The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use
of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced
bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into
this discussion, in any case.)

Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start
ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had
your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods
come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally
advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you
can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit
it just as your ovaries get back in action.

--Robin
medical editor

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote:

> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that
> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get
> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation.

It does both.

Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops
menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You
don't have periods without ovulating.

(It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal
uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but
typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.)

(The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use
of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced
bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into
this discussion, in any case.)

Breastfeeding doesn't always stop >pregnancy, since when you start
ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had
your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods
come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally
advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you
can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit
it just as your ovaries get back in action.

--Robin
medical editor

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No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 18:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BNtbfJ020771 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:55:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BNtTDg018717; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:55:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BNt7r8015425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BNt607097699; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BNt1rO097574 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.184] (pm5-184.eos.net [205.133.149.184]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0BNsq9N001018 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:54:54 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:43:10 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601102220.k0AMKNnb058786@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "feminine protection" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:55:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C59AF1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Caroline wrote: > If you are pregnant or breastfeeding you are unlikely to have monthly > cycles. Admitted women who are not sexually active won't be pregnant much > but once you take nuns out of the equasion most women wouldn't need sanitary > protection much during their life. This is not exactly true. Number one, there were thousand of nuns throughout the period (ha ha) we are discussing. Number two, there were thousands of other unmarried women, women whose husbands were away for years at a time (sailors, crusaders, and traveling merchants come to mind), barren women or women with impotent husbands, and widows. Number three (I know this from experience), breastfeeding tends to suppress menstruation, but it doesn't for everyone, at least not for the same amount of time. So that leaves out a considerable number of women. It doesn't follow at all that "most" women wouldn't need sanitary protection much during their life. But even if that were true, they would still need it sometimes, so they must have had established ways of taking care of it. 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Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 19:37:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0bt8F021530 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:37:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0blKq027302; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C0a1Yl020096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0ZxDl027608; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0ZqoT027450 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2e3.6d1568 (16781) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2e3.6d1568.30f6fe5c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:35:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:37:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5A4DB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/11/2006 11:38:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marccarlson20@hotmail.com writes: could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. The two kind of go together, don't they? However, when I was researching various "behind closed doors" topics, I found that breast feeding does delay onset of the cycle, and hence the possibility of pregnancy. Women were aware of this and sometimes used breast feeding deliberately to delay pregnancy. However, my sources said that how breast feeding delays onset of the cycle is not perfectly understood. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 19:55:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0tGVT021803 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:55:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0t7bp004944; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:55:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C0serw022301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0scU5040745; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav5.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0sYl4040689 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:54:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.111.133.66 by BAY108-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.111.133.66] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:54:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 00:54:34.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[C10CCE90:01C61712] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:55:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5A8EB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0C0tGVT021803 >Mid-19th century is different than 18thC. From what I >can tell, >stockings cut from knit yardgoods were only in use for a >short time. >If you have infrmation about this for 19thC, I am >very .curious! From >what I can tell, cut and sewn was not at all common for >the 19thC. From The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. Hosiers: A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into the articles wanted. Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. From: The new American cyclopaedia: a popular dictionary of general knowledge. Ed. by George Ripley and Charles A. Dana ... Ripley, George, ed. Dana, Charles A. ed. (Charles AndersonNew York [etc]: D. Appleton and company1859-1863. Stocking: The shaping of the web to fit the foot is matter of no little ingenuity. The flat web is either knit in long strips of sufficient width to make when turned over several stockings which are cut out from the web. From: The Hosiery Resource Centre Full-fashioned stockings are knitted flat, than fashioned, or shaped, by hand manipulation and hand seamed up the back. Knitting is back and forth across the fabric (weft knitting) on a straight-bar machine invented by William Cotton in 1864. The stocking is started at the top with the welt, an extra-thick section for gartering. The fabric is shaped by reducing the number of needles at the ankle, then adding needles at the heel, and again reducing the number through the foot. Seamless stockings are knitted on circular machines, brought out in the mid-19th century. For many years such stockings were a straight, knitted tube that did not fit as well as the full-fashioned, because stitches cannot be added or dropped in circular knitting by machine. (I've seen reference to these as "leg-bags", obviously not a compliment in an age which prized a trim ankle!) I agree that modern knit fabric is stretchier than that found in earlier periods, based on the originals I have been able to examine. However, with this method I am able to mimic the technique used in the period with 100% natural materials and end up with a product that fits and is closer to period stockings than anything currently being offered by vendors - it works for me Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 20:04:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C14oDH021972 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:04:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C14fYX010588; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:04:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C0xQoN022894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0xQvC044170; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0xMEC044130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 29855 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 16:59:16 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29793, pid: 29850, t: 0.3799s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1238 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 16:59:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c61713$6a21df20$6501a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601120022.k0C0MFpd017965@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:59:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:04:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5AB29.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thankyou Michaela and Sunny for your suggestions. looks like I need another trip up to London! Fortunately I only live in Portsmouth and the mega Bus gets me up there for £2.50 return! (About the same cost for me to go to portsmouth Dockyard and the historic ships!) And thankyou, Robin for the fascinating information about the Herjofsnes garments. With regard to the menstruation discussion, it would seem that there are many factors to take into consideration. It's a long time since my degree but from what I can remember about fertility and family size in Early modern Europe, women's experience varied according to social status,(e.g.wet nursing = more births) environmental factors, ( eg. crop failure = poor nurition = fewer births) and of course locality. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 20:10:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C1AWNP022046 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:10:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C1AOCv013905; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:10:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C19uBu023877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C19qFR050955; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f16.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C19oWC050872 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:09:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601120022.k0C0MFpe017965@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 01:09:39.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCA28120:01C61714] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:10:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5AC80.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From: Robin Netherton >Marc, I'm the one who brought up the sealskin belt/pad arrangement from >Herjolfsnes. There were a few fragments of bast fibers (some pieces of >cloth, some microscopic fibers) found in various spots at Herjolfsnes... I know that we'd discussed this one in the past. >...Lots more about bones, skin, hair, body oils, etc. for people who don't >mind wading through 1920s medical terminology translated from the Danish. >His descriptions seem sound, though his conclusions are sometimes a bit >weird. I'm just sorry that there was so little opportunity to do more of a study at the time, since it may not have survived even since 1921. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 21:18:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C2I0jV023202 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:18:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C2HqmL021929; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:17:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C2Gt4D030504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C2GkbJ092761; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C2Ge8q092659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-69-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.69]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0C2GbBF016739 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:39 +1100 Message-ID: <001301c6171e$35aa0370$45d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:32 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:17:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5BC50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start > ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had > your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods > come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally > advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you > can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit > it just as your ovaries get back in action. > > --Robin > medical editor > And as a general rule breastfeeding will only stop ovulation while it is baby's only food, so once they start on other foods the milk production reduces and ovulation starts again. That's not a hard and fast rule that applies to everyone but it's the most likely time that you will get caught. I actually came across this site on 'natural' fertility and contraceptives http://www.sisterzeus.com/directory.html it even includes a section on herbal abiortifacients (something for cooks to look out for, although most of these herbs require pretty massive doses to terminate pregnancy smaller doses could still be harmful) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:07:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C37Z4k024163 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C37RTR016803; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C369p7035558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:06:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C366O4024873; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BK0D7B072313 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04456 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:28:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:28:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C7EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote: > First, it's unlikely that any Herjofsnes garments were found with > linen pads of any sort (linen has not survived in the conditions at > Herjofsnes). What may be being remembered is the polar bear breeches > from Angmagssalik (now called Tasiilaq), and may not be even Norse. > It's also possible that they are thinking of whatever those seal skin > things that I've heard Robin mention. Marc, I'm the one who brought up the sealskin belt/pad arrangement from Herjolfsnes. There were a few fragments of bast fibers (some pieces of cloth, some microscopic fibers) found in various spots at Herjolfsnes. The cloth bits are mentioned in Norlund, and Else Ostergard summarizes them, but IIRC she misses the reference related to the item I described -- not surprising as it is one of the microscopic ones, and would not have been housed as a textile find. However, I misremembered that the cord on the sealskin also was linen; it was wool, and sheep's hair and moss were also the materials found under the sealskin covering. The item was mentioned only in the medical section of Norlund's report, written by Fr. C. C. Hansen, professor of anatomy, Copenhagen. From p. 322: [as part of a discussion of possible incontinence of one of the women] <> Later, in the discussion of this particular skeleton (I forget which one, the numbers are different than in the clothing analysis and I'm not going to hunt all through right now to match them up), there's a much more detailed description. Bits follow, pp. 332ff. Be aware that the translation into English is a bit askew. Parentheses are theirs, square brackets mine. << On a small perfectly well-preserved bone (by os sacrum), which could be clearly recognized as the 2nd vertebra coccygea, fitting aginst the also quite uninjured and well-preserved 1st vertebra coccygea subsequently found, was found adhering to the posterior surface a piece of sealskin (microscopy!) with the hairs on; in this little piece of sealskin were the remains of a little twisted rebrown woollen cord or string (microscopy!) with the remains of a strongly twisted knot. [There are references to figures that I thought I had copies of but can't find now. I know I've seen a drawing of this fragment, but I may have missed xeroxing it.] As on os pubis this cord was very frail and crumbled easily. ... When this little piece of sealskin with remnants of a small twisted woollen cord with a knot, has remained quite firmly attached to so small a bone as the 2nd vertebra coccygea, which like the 1st vertebra coccygea was perfectly well-preserved and uninjured, the reason must be as follows:-- When the body was laid in the grave there must have been lying on the back of os coccygis ... a strip of sealskin to which was fastened a redbrown woollen cord to keep the sealskin in place, while in front on mons pubis it was also kept in place by a couple of woollen cords which probably passed up to a cord or belt about the hip-region, thus representing a kind of bandage passing from mons pubis between femora down before pudenda and anus and up between nates in the sacral region. As the body was laid on its back in the grave the point of the sealskin with the woollen cord was wedged into sulcus inter nates and secured in its position to os coccyis where, as its shown by the state of these bones as well as of os sacrum, which is well-preserved, the putrefaction and destruction was least, and when the cold subsequently increased, so that the earth became permanently frozen, just these small bones were preserved with cohering remains of hair, sealskin, and woollen cords. We must assume that even more remained at the exhumation than we now possess, but that most of it decayed or crumbled away before it reached the Museum of Normal Anatomy. Finally fibres of a plant substance (resembling hemp microscopically) were found close by, and in the layer beneath the sealskin on the symphysis were found, besides the human pubes hairs, loose hairs of sheep's wool of a light colour or only slightly pigmented, and lastly, small leaves of moss, this latter perhaps an accidental admixture(?). >> Then a long discussion of the procedure for investigating the sealskin pieces, human skin, and hairs. The hair from the head was light brown, that in the pubic area "fairer and less pigmented." Among other points worth noting: There was a mix of different types of sheep hair among those found, some pigmented and others not. (Perhaps a combination of rags/bits from different sources?) The sealskin was apparently old and long-used; its hairs were in bad shape, unlike the human hairs next to them. Also: <> Lots more about bones, skin, hair, body oils, etc. for people who don't mind wading through 1920s medical terminology translated from the Danish. His descriptions seem sound, though his conclusions are sometimes a bit weird. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:08:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38DL6024178 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C385Y5025546; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C37XLc035768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C37Wc2025840; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BNFaEx064096 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B074933A0D for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:15:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:15:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C815.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? De -----Original Message----- You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm wide. Hope you can use this info Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:08:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38g73024188 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38YpI020749; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C37fvR035807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C37eJF025936; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0Kp4E017001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 8005 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 16:20:51 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 7935, pid: 7997, t: 0.5662s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1238 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 16:20:51 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c6170e$0c5b5150$6501a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601111612.k0BGCVtj045174@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:20:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kensington Palace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C832.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thankyou Bjarne, Kensington palace sounds perfect! I'm not even going to see if they have a website so it will all be a lovely suprise. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38iws024192 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38a6k029043; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C37n8V035849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C37los026038; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0MBdr017815 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.154.5f580748 (16781) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <154.5f580748.30f6fb2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:22:02 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C834.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:45:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: How do you get the cross-section in a nonprofessional setup? I have used my microscope on fibers, but have never figured out how to see anything but the side view. I've rigged up a system at home that works sometimes. You need a dark thin plate with holes in it. Run a bunch of fibers (you need to untwist the yarns) through the hole, then seal the two sides with nail polish (we had a different sealant in lab class but clear nail polish is a home substitute). Let dry, then shave off both sides very thinly with a single-edged razor blade. I've been successful with this technique about 50% of the time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:25:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3PMpQ024514 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:25:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3PE67027644; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:25:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C3Oglq038081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3OdhZ036252; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3OZFg036182 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.159] (pm5-159.eos.net [205.133.149.159]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0C3OP9P018245 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:24:28 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:13:17 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601110640.k0B6eRtt091855@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: drawers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:25:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5CC1A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin wrote: > Just as one data > point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, Too much information!! Too much information!! I prefer not to know who is "going commando" in my vicinity. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:28:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3SIwf024583 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3SAL2029506; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C3R4ZA038245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3R40d037560; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3R2Ek037547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eliz@net.indra.com) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.12.9/Submit) id k0C3R2qZ037546 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eliz) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:02 -0700 From: Elizabeth Lear To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Message-ID: <20060112032702.GB24472@net.indra.com> References: <001301c6171e$35aa0370$45d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001301c6171e$35aa0370$45d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5CCCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! According to advice from La Leche League (breastfeeding support and promotion group), for breastfeeding to be really effective in holding off your cycles, you need to be nursing during the night. I considered night-weaning my toddler because we wanted to start trying for another, but I managed to get my cycle back after he cut back to just one overnight nursing session. My son night-weaned shortly afterwards anyway, but had taken 19.5 months for me to become fertile again. And then I had just one period before becoming pregnant again. :) ...eliz, list admin and mom to a 2.5 yr old and a 7-week old -- Children are made up of genetics, blind luck, and the stories you tell them. - The Flying Ks _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 23:26:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4QIlK026233 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4Q0Gk030633; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C4PaOX045661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4PX43074472; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4PSIu074400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C64KBV023286 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:04:20 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. 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On Wednesday 11 January 2006 6:15 pm, otsisto wrote: > Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) > Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? www.xe.com will convert the Danish kroner to US dollars (or just about any other currency) for you. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 23:47:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4lt4O026875 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4lljN010180; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C4lTMg049303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:47:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4lRxT089403; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:47:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4lPZB089372 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so284346wra for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=a0UalWXIqzaWCJSts9nm0RbUAyhV/cCBMFZ3yBqQqKBxLnxkWTkXD+4j1VBbiVDYwquPgvDarLpxtw231PalumKAuVLP6CnNshsQOEnx81BLal2S+GI6bmd9ad60gI3p0T8GJeChb9kKOFhNq1ybO14+i81zDlAwSfA1aaIbhBU= Received: by 10.65.241.13 with SMTP id t13mr554826qbr; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0C4lPZB089372 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How did your winter fashions turn out? 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Anyone have lovely pictures or horror stories to share? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 23:54:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4slt2027010 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:54:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4scJ5013795; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C4rtkp050063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4rtkF093039; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4rpCg092993 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFD62C740428; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:49:26 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:53:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c61734$2d275b10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20060111230602.29ACE60327@mprdmxin.myway.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I remember that whenever my husband and I tried to start something, the baby would wake up, even though he/she was in the next room (and, yes, we were being very quiet. ESP at work. Built in birth control. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses On the non-physical side, having a small child forever attatched to you makes it difficult to get the chance to get pregnant. Wendy --- On Wed 01/11, Robin Netherton < robin@shell.nightowl.net > wrote: From: Robin Netherton [mailto: robin@shell.nightowl.net] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote:

> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that
> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get
> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation.

It does both.

Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops
menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You
don't have periods without ovulating.

(It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal
uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but
typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.)

(The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use
of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced
bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into
this discussion, in any case.)

Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start
ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had
your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods
come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally
advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you
can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit
it just as your ovaries get back in action.

--Robin
medical editor

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 00:28:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5S2IJ027946 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:28:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5RrIA030131; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C5QkZW054860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5Qd5c012440; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5QZIU012395 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E27A3580E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Underwear Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:27:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5E8D9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From what I was told from a meteorologist student- there were several "mini" ice ages, not just one. Told by someone who lives on the Rosebud Reservation, you adapt to the cold. And you will find in paintings where the gown is lined in fur. So I don't think that drawers would have been worn for warmth, in all likelihood skirts are warmer then drawers. The skirts contain the body heat, the trousers separate. The discussion of the "little ice age" would be slightly on topic as it would pertain to possible reasons why/why not certain things were worn or the validity of using LIA as a basis for use of a garment. De -----Original Message----- Just a couple of bits. And quite honestly, "little ice age" or not, I think that NOT wearing something under your skirts in a Scandinavian winter is unlikely. In Italy, things might be different. I have rants on the ubiquity of the "little ice age" as an an excuse for things, and the "women were pregnant all the time" myth, but I think they may be off topic for this list. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 00:54:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5suMa028518 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5smVE011446; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C5sKrB057904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5sIoH029266; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0C5s8Mx029165 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12133 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 06:50:29 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:50:29 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:56:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:56:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] How did your winter fashions turn out? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5EF28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Anyone have lovely pictures or horror stories to share? > --cin I finally finished a German Waffenrock for my fiance that was 4 years coming. He bought the fabric shortly after we met 4 years ago and I started making it about a year ago. He said he wouldn't go with me to the fancy event (12th Night) last weekend if I didn't finish it. So I did....and he got all the oohs and ahhs!! I looked pretty good, too but everybody was looking at him! So I would say my project was a success :~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 00:58:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5whhM028602 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:58:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5wZf3013341; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C5w0g3058296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5vxqD031494; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5vtuK031397 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-187.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.187]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 12 Jan 2006 13:57:47 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:58:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5F00B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:09:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C69jQp028878 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C69bq3018441; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C68qNG059410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C68o4I037433; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C68kcg037354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0042.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.42]:4139 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EwvdW-0007CP-53 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:08:39 -0500 Message-ID: <43C5F263.4000506@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:08:35 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200601120305.k0C35C6S024313@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200601120305.k0C35C6S024313@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5F2A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:31 -0600 > From: "Marc Carlson" > Subject: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses > > I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that > extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get pregnant, > not that it stopped menstruation. In LaLecheLeague we learned that you were only protected as long as mothers milk was the only form of nutrition that baby recieved, and that if you had Any menses, you were vulnerable to get pregnant again. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:45:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6jCXf029907 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6j3om003142; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C6iZap062511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6iSR2056054; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6iNLb056003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.52] (pool180-55.patriot.net [209.249.180.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0C6hcmE015699 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:43:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:43:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5FAEF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kelly, Ok, I'm convinced the cut-from-yardgoods stockings existed. Come to think of it, there is a stocking I looked at from around 1880 that fit the category - one of the fancy knit fabrics that probably could not have been done any other way. However, I thought you said the cut & sewn were the most common for mid-19th century. I have not seen that in extant stockings in museum collections. There are certainly hand-knit stockings, and those that are knit to shape. >From >The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. >Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. >Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. > >Hosiers: >A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said >to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's >knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do >well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' >doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a >straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into >the articles wanted. >Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well >made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are >employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. Is this an advertisement for ladies to buy this machine and use it at home? It's a bit confusing considering they mention steam power. Having to cut the yardgoods to shape does not seem like knitting the perfect stocking. >From: >The new American cyclopaedia: a popular dictionary of general >knowledge. Ed. by George Ripley and Charles A. Dana ... >Ripley, George, ed. Dana, Charles A. ed. (Charles AndersonNew York >[etc]: D. Appleton and company1859-1863. > >Stocking: >The shaping of the web to fit the foot is matter of no little >ingenuity. The flat web is either knit in long strips of sufficient >width to make when turned over several stockings which are cut out >from the web. And this was common? What I've seen in machine-made originals is cotton stockings getting finer and finer, as the spinning and the knitting machines become finer. Clocking is done with openwork stitches, which becomes more and more subtle as the gauge gets finer. The examples I've seen are knit to shape and seamed up the back, which I can tell because the seam allowance is very tiny - a stitch or two wide. >From: >The Hosiery Resource Centre > >Full-fashioned stockings are knitted flat, than fashioned, or >shaped, by hand manipulation and hand seamed up the back. That seems to say the shaping is done after the knitting. The earlier machines did require hand-manipulation to make the increases and decreases, but that was on the machine as each row was knit. These days full-fashioned means the item was shaped as it was knitted and then assembled. I'm not sure what the meaning was at the time this was written. >Knitting is back and forth across the fabric (weft knitting) on a >straight-bar machine invented by William Cotton in 1864. The >stocking is started at the top with the welt, an extra-thick section >for gartering. The fabric is shaped by reducing the number of >needles at the ankle, then adding needles at the heel, and again >reducing the number through the foot. So this one is shaped by the machine, not shaped by cutting. > Seamless stockings are knitted on circular machines, brought out >in the mid-19th century. For many years such stockings were a >straight, knitted tube that did not fit as well as the >full-fashioned, because stitches cannot be added or dropped in >circular knitting by machine. (I've seen reference to these as >"leg-bags", obviously not a compliment in an age which prized a trim >ankle!) The circular machine was first seen in the 1790s, first used for hats. The earliest stockings I've seen (extant) are dated 1840. (I'm not sure when this type was first made, but the machine capability was there earlier). Anyway, these 1840 stockings are quite interesting - the foot is seamed with the typical flap heel, and there is a dart taken in the ankle/lower calf area for shaping. The other unique thing - the few examples I saw have the design printed on rather than embroidered or knit in. It's curious that someone in 1840 would think to do this, but it was not done later. But these things happen. Another thing I noticed developing in the 19thC - reinforcement threads added to the heel. I'm not sure if that is something reenactors do for the Civil War era. > I agree that modern knit fabric is stretchier than that found in >earlier periods, based on the originals I have been able to examine. >However, with this method I am able to mimic the technique used in >the period with 100% natural materials and end up with a product >that fits and is closer to period stockings than anything currently >being offered by vendors - it works for me I heard that someone was knitting stockings on some sort of machine for Civil War reenactment use. But then he stopped for some reason? Making them from knit yardgoods is a good way to get something better, short of handknitting. Since the original question was about 18th century, it may or may not be perfectly authentic - depends on the decade being reproduced. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6mCpE030042 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6m4ml004591; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C6lZTO062920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6lZXA058111; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6lVWq058068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.52] (pool180-55.patriot.net [209.249.180.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0C6ksCb006675 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:46:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web 30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:47:21 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5FBA4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathleen said, >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can >even turn a heel!! People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:50:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6obKX030130 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:50:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6oTDI005821; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:50:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C6nfkp063067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6nfNY059168; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6nbaR059117 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:49:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09599 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:18:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:18:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:50:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5FC35.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Robin wrote: > > > Just as one data > > point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, > > Too much information!! Too much information!! > > I prefer not to know who is "going commando" in my vicinity. Sorry -- given the topic (whether cold weather requires drawers), I didn't see any other way to phrase it to establish that I was speaking of findings from personal experiment rather than simply hypothetically! Enough years doing theatre, not to mention more years pushing around people's soft bits for purposes of costume, and you get a rather skewed sense of modesty. It's all rather clinical to me now, as anyone who has survived one of my fittings can testify. Of course, I'm also the person who routinely instructs women to remove their panties during dress fittings because the elastic waistband interferes with the action of the fabric on the figure. Funny how obvious this is, and yet how many people fail to realize what's causing a tummy roll or hip roll ... which disappears the moment the modern underpinnings go away. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 02:39:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7dp6h006909 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:39:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7dhj7029313; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:39:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C7Xdlh067431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7XYAl085855; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7XUZS085817 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-77.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.77]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k0C7XRoA012118 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:33:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112012004.01d7f3c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:30:04 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:39:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C607BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, the only reference I have ever seen to women's menses or the items associated with it, was in Philip Stubbes "Anatomy of Abuses" (can't remember the page # off the top of my head) when he referred to someone as a "menstrous clout". I would hazard a guess that there might be other references hidden in odd places like Stubbes but they will take some dedicated digging. It's funny, for me, this reference always started a word association "game" in my brain which ended with visions of a nappy/diaper like arrangement. I freely admit that there is no basis in fact that I have been able to discover, for this idea but the word "clout" just always triggered a train of thought that at some point ran through "breech clout" and ended with the nappy/diaper image. Cheers, Danielle At 11:23 AM 1/10/2006, you wrote: >This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did 16th >women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I know, but >how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to be dealt with, >though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once had an article on 19th >C. inovations. > >Dame Catriona MacDuff >Interested in 16th C. womens issues _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 02:50:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7o5Zw009652 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:50:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7nvb7001884; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:49:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C7mj1l068802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7mago094641; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7mTYj094592 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-77.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.77]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C7mRnB008007 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:47:27 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:50:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C60A25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, I certainly am not in any position to debate the validity of the "mini Ice Age" theory but, I have spent the weekend at an event in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. As for cold I still hold that it is a matter of perspective I grew up in Ottawa, Canada and to me living in Manchester, England for a year was delightfully warm! On the other hand, I currently live in Minnesota and I'm constantly freezing. The one thing I did learn growing up with cold winters was lots of layers was the way to keep warm and if you look at historical clothing the first thing you encounter is...lots of layers. Anyway, as other people of mentioned, menstruation and preparing for it is something we no almost nothing about in any historical period. It is a topic that belongs solely to women, and very few women's voices survive the ages to reach us, and almost none on any personal topics. This is knowledge that has always passed from mother to daughter, and is usually viewed as an "unclean" topic by men. I think that Stubbes is a perfect example of that. The only reference I have ever encountered and he is using it to insult someone by calling them a "menstrous clout". Either way, that does give us at least a bit of information that our mother's or grandmother's "rags" probably wasn't far off the mark. Cheers, Danielle At 01:40 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote: >But Danielle, I was under the impression with reading and the >History Channel, that during the Medieval and Renaissance periods >Europe was going through what historians/scientists considered a >"mini Ice Age". Plus, my finace' who was stationed in Europe has >mentioned that when he was involved with Ren faires and the like >that the castles were quite chilly. > >Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did >women do during their monthly cycles? And why was it more common >for men to wear underwear and not women? > >I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) > >Roscelin > > > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote > > >Greetings! > > > > > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers > > >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered > > >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until > > >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't > > >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. > > >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going > > >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like > > >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles > > >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat > > >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers > > >would be rather immaterial. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Danielle > > > > > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: > > >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that > ladies didn't wear > > >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I > > >>usually do English. > > >> > > >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN > to England. It > > >>gets COLD there. > > >> > > >>Thanks for your forbearance, > > >>Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 03:22:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8MksT018393 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8MbpA021241; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C8MHfT072281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C8MGQ8017353; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C8MDZ2017328 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E177BCA5 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:54:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:40:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes In-Reply-To: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> References: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C611CD.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 08:12 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: >To satisfy my calendar urge, I ended up getting the new calendar from >Chick-Fil-A, which is medieval and renaissance cows. The reticulated >hennin one isn't too bad. > >"Cows in shining armor" >http://www.shopchick-fil-a.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/74/category/Bookstore/browse/null/MenuGroup/Home/desc/2006%20Chick%252Dfil%252DA%25AE%20Calendar%3CBR%3E%2593Cows%20In%20Shining%20Armor%2594.htm > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho I have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. I just loved April's Boldhoof in kilt and claymore, and August's Kobe Kowsumoto. I was rolling in laughter. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 03:57:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8voSO028432 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:57:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8vgBh005371; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:57:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C8tT4T076244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C8tNHB036051; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0C8tHVw035942 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 12184 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 08:55:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cOj5Emq+qMlnpBnQN+q8g51WsTjpA7n+lFJyhl0GWEVaHr8IGTkuCXQKb5wWq3QdHfNZdZM7GGJzjQvfzwoOpVSbKuH2klooWh+/JGL27n2zMAXRXPIAMyXKV6rIuBNOrtmLPWRcibfAKWOue9AMcijW1sR/sgVe3zDsJWSMG8o= ; Message-ID: <20060112085508.12182.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:55:08 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:55:08 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] old digests no longer needed thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:57:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C61A06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you to Beth for sending me the digests (22-27). I noticed this morning that I got 31 and then sometime later 30, so summat weird is going on... Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 05:05:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CA5QJg008119 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CA5HAO003205; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CA4SKE081964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CA4OKJ070669; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52215.mail.yahoo.com (web52215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CA4Na2070626 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 44818 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 10:04:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I+oc9tvV6d+h1ec61bfcl4lHwuAWxG9iF28WQqC8FYm2Q9TWrhcMZUId5gXsX5ZoBbIoLl0/3CHwXuB3+CCRgzfkrLDb8OPoiX1yRGS1nnYt7NIxGkbNW2DJBI36g7KRZnUi/aFroEE7rsShxyMjUqeC4i5ldanywYXNQv6jtgs= ; Message-ID: <20060112100417.44816.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.195.58] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:04:17 EST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:04:17 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C629DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I bought it for a friend here in Canada. He was thrilled as his wife had even phoned the company to see if she could get the calendar. The Company said they would not ship it to Canada as the coupons were no good here but for some reason online they ship it anywhere you want it to go. Who wants the coupons??? Brin Kendall Kimiko Small wrote: At 08:12 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: >To satisfy my calendar urge, I ended up getting the new calendar from >Chick-Fil-A, which is medieval and renaissance cows. The reticulated >hennin one isn't too bad. > >"Cows in shining armor" >http://www.shopchick-fil-a.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/74/category/Bookstore/browse/null/MenuGroup/Home/desc/2006%20Chick%252Dfil%252DA%25AE%20Calendar%3CBR%3E%2593Cows%20In%20Shining%20Armor%2594.htm > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho I have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. I just loved April's Boldhoof in kilt and claymore, and August's Kobe Kowsumoto. I was rolling in laughter. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 06:00:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CB0jDT021187 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:00:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CB0btP030504; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:00:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CB09WY086409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CB05GM097884; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CAxxs1097795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0CAoefN029903 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:50:40 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:50:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C636AD.4040608@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:59:57 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes References: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:00:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C636D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kimiko Small wrote: > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho > I have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. It's a fast-food store specializing in chicken and fries; often seen in malls. They've had cows as their mascots for a while, usually with awkwardly-lettered signs which say "Eat More Chicken!" The calendars can be bought from the stores, directly, but no price savings. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 09:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CEKWqa014759 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CEKOVH022326; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CEJZwx004192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CEJRPA013676; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CEJNMU013542 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A55D026C; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:19:09 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 12 Jan 2006 09:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com><005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion><006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C665A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ah, but I mentioned yesterday that I have a friend who has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her era for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she is very fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > Kathleen said, > >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting > >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with > >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the > >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can > >even turn a heel!! > > People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. > "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a > machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a > small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no > evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:04:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CF4wHC017939 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:04:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CF4ock011056; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:04:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CF4GRU010275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CF4F5O045893; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CF4B5V045850 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A2E992628BD for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:04:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c61789$762e44e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:04:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:04:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67012.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Its about 55 dollars for a fine linen 56 inches wide. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) > Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? > > De > > -----Original Message----- > You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm > wide. > > Hope you can use this info > > Tania > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:15:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFFHqO018183 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:15:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFF975016086; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFEElM011564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFEDZP053813; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFE9hb053727 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 61B613387C for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:14:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:14:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002001c61789$762e44e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C6727D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And my pocket book goes OUCH! :) Thank you, De -----Original Message----- Its about 55 dollars for a fine linen 56 inches wide. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:28:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFS8QT019368 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFS0NM022299; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFQp1e013429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFQmr7063897; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFQinj063833 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F244D262888 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:26:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:26:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67580.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght would be hopeless to get anymore. I will happily give this, for that quality! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > And my pocket book goes OUCH! :) > Thank you, > De > > -----Original Message----- > Its about 55 dollars for a fine linen 56 inches wide. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:36:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFavE3019574 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:36:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFanIh027407; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:36:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFaEeR014678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFaAv1071733; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFa5dK071641 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DA5B347FE3C for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:36:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009501c6178d$eac58a80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601111612.k0BGCVtj045174@net.indra.com> <000401c6170e$0c5b5150$6501a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kensington Palace Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:36:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:36:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67791.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Joy, I wish you the best of enjoying this. You wont regret it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] kensington Palace > Thankyou Bjarne, Kensington palace sounds perfect! > I'm not even going to see if they have a website so it will all be a > lovely suprise. > > regards > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:56:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFumSP020746 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:56:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFubOj005180; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:56:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFuGDW016995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFuCAX087919; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFX2SG069251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0CFWPhZ000444 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:28 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60068.64.156.242.51.1137079964.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com><005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion><006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:56:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67C36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kathleen, My area of study is 18th century hosiery, and I was doing reenactment of that era for about 18 years. Knitting needles are an even simpler tool, and can deal with different sizes of items. As a cottage industry, that's all a knitter would need. Some homes did have a knitting frame. We don't have extant wooden frames from that era except for possibly the purse frames, and no artwork or descriptions of that method. Until we do, it counts as experimental archeology. If she does have information, there are many people who would like to know about it! We've talked about it on the HistoricKnit list, and I think there is also a new list for peg-frame knitters. Can the peg frame increase or decrease for the calf and ankle? That is a feature of 18th century hosiery, whether it's hand knit or framework. -Carol > Ah, but I mentioned yesterday that I have a friend who > has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for > herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her > era for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she is very > fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame > method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. > > Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the > concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage > crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Kocian" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > >> Kathleen said, >> >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting >> >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with >> >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the >> >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can >> >even turn a heel!! >> >> People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. >> "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a >> machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a >> small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no >> evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. >> >> -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:58:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwRAp020784 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwJIY020291; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFvnVI017227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFvhqS089354; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFc4C7073412 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p46so265222nfa for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RUYKNt+EDOrD3n5FlQjI6cJJEczDUJcwkS2f1o2sv/k+QWAegHsVIMvSAZRAS8LZg2Zs6aE6S1Ppa0hSLlBqwoEhwJnRW5H/WQYfyzXzR/UIKfAMmuly54ZJZwIPAPkaJdgmj0xnXF7yNKZoGIvWrkuaXq0oKaMS41J9dXeq7cw= Received: by 10.48.142.3 with SMTP id p3mr147430nfd; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:38:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:38:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:38:02 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0CFc4C7073412 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67C9B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I have spent the weekend at an event > in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:58:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwkhZ020796 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwc39028098; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFwCwN017317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFwBML089827; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CFfa9l076149 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71162 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 15:41:29 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112154024.01d3d940@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:41:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne In-Reply-To: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67CAE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 15:26 12/01/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from >Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me >doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght >would be hopeless to get anymore. >I will happily give this, for that quality! Bjarne Do you have an address for this? I have a friend in Copenhagen who will be visiting in a few weeks, and could maybe bring me some. You can mail me off list if you like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 11:26:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CGQ7NU021361 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CGPtFR020193; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CGNoHM021300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGNe0D013741; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGNaN3013647 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F0D52628E2 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:23:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c61794$8fea8d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060112154024.01d3d940@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:23:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C68313.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Suzi, Its no problem. Here is their website, even in english: http://www.broderiantik.dk/english/index.html Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > At 15:26 12/01/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from >>Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me >>doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght >>would be hopeless to get anymore. >>I will happily give this, for that quality! > > > Bjarne > > Do you have an address for this? I have a friend in Copenhagen who > will be visiting in a few weeks, and could maybe bring me some. You > can mail me off list if you like. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 12:06:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CH63wA023689 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:06:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CH5s29007186; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:05:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CGw7Fw027382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGRUuq017136; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGQqdW016630 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F293320C50F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:42 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> References: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th cent circular peg knitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:05:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C68C72.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 8:56 AM -0700 1/12/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I have a friend who > has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for >herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her era >for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she is very >fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame >method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. >Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the >concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage >crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. But it's not commonly mentioned nor pictured in any 18th cent sources I've seen (and I've been looking!)...there was a knitting frame--much more like a modern flat bed machine...If you have sources PLEASE PLEASE share!!!! I wanna know!!! Tho I fear this may be yet another case of they shoulda but they didn't :-( Ta Carol--knitting away on the forever socks (18th cent, combed, worsted, 2 ply blue/white ragg, ~12spi, ooooo needles) -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 12:22:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHMj7r024102 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:22:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHMbHV015318; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CHMBwP031846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHM5Jj069857; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHLoZo069605 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:21:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:21:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601121557.k0CFuYAR088289@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:21:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 17:21:49.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD41DA0:01C6179C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:22:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C6905D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! "Menstrous clout" Just to add to your mental games, a clout is also a medieval shoemaking term, probably for patching, or adding a new outer sole over a damaged sole. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 12:27:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHRfO7024208 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:27:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHRTx9017433; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CHQnpO032533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHQl5E074199; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHQb11073985 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1d8.4cf30a0d (15864) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d30 (mblk-d30.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.22]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df843c6913d90; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7E5B4706E4674-13F0-1DD5@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.22 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C69181.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just bought and made that pattern in November, and found that there were several corrections to pattern pieces, directions left off in some places, and at one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to me that doing what made sense at the time was the right thing to do. I would not recommend this pattern for someone who is not already familiar with basic construction techniques for this type of garment. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 13:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIGtDF027045 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIGkoa007260; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CIG0PL040856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIFo0m021503; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIFgr4021244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CIFbvE028758 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:09 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0CIFgr4021244 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C69D0E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. 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Kimiko wrote: > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho I > have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. I just loved April's Boldhoof in > kilt and claymore, and August's Kobe Kowsumoto. I was rolling in laughter. The calendar is even funnier close-up and in person, since there's a lot of detail you can't see in thumbnails. Chick-Fil-A is a fast-food chicken place, slightly more upscale than KFC. (Disclaimer- I've never eaten there; I've only been in one last month to buy calendars...) You can either buy the calendar on-line at their website or save on postage and get one in-store. http://www.chickfila.com/home.asp The calendar comes up on the home page, and if you click on "locations" on the top bar, you can search for a location near you. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 13:36:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIaKlL028383 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:36:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIZxUL015744; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:36:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CISkrA043485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CISfV0034694; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CISZTA034466 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 39652 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 18:28:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OTmpbEltlFDRTAmVwFo6xU03192siMesqs+ccIba375GHmXlbcG37UgJ5fsspwRly4rZ45QGvnPhr4iZVAoHWiK6qpMdDOK3/dAeGqCoiC428J9L5Yzu4cxfNf1IXBt0FzfokDG8pd2l3NKs5s3CsBMiXT3BMp38kkrsr5d22NA= ; Message-ID: <20060112182830.39650.qmail@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.49.181] by web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 PST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8C7E5B4706E4674-13F0-1DD5@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:36:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C6A194.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. --- chindora@aol.com wrote: > I just bought and made that pattern in November, and > found that there were several corrections to pattern > pieces, directions left off in some places, and at > one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I > cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so > I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember > fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to > me that doing what made sense at the time was the > right thing to do. > > I would not recommend this pattern for someone who > is not already familiar with basic construction > techniques for this type of garment. > > ~Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: A & J Garden > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens > pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an > answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that > needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but > I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten > me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 13:39:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIdTpm028429 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:39:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIdItj017191; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CIblCg045298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIbjGs044098; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:37:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIbehR043838 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c2.3848fbf1 (15974) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M10 (mblk-m10.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.43]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-3e6643c6a1e3310; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 From: taniampembroke@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7E5BE5CECE31F-CCC-5C0@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 65.10.249.52 by MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.43) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060112182830.39650.qmail@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.43 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:39:24 -0500 (EST) I've always had good luck with Margos patterns. It seems to me that no matter what pattern or company that you go with you always have to tweak something. Tania Pembroke -----Original Message----- From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. --- chindora@aol.com wrote: > I just bought and made that pattern in November, and > found that there were several corrections to pattern > pieces, directions left off in some places, and at > one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I > cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so > I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember > fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to > me that doing what made sense at the time was the > right thing to do. > > I would not recommend this pattern for someone who > is not already familiar with basic construction > techniques for this type of garment. > > ~Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: A & J Garden > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens > pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an > answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that > needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but > I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten > me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 14:13:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJDIJw029888 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:13:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJD9UW016042; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:13:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CJCGTD050873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CJC6DO077764; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52108.mail.yahoo.com (web52108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.111]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CJC3GL077634 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:12:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 21274 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 19:11:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r3KvVh6Ye/W3N9jbThd8249byLsj3KJQeTBpfvyFFrRFGCdEr8WliU6Imvm7OGnSEaJ5DIvTLzSm7F4Sj4SmZZpzxGFgCxdpitde/Aue4Wa5HLtPLfuoTNQisM7R/tJKriDGHfXbVvzlZ+2Ha7s0aLqjQnxeGMWRFWCqs1ZsD0E= ; Message-ID: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:11:57 EST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601121556.k0CFuYAP088289@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: drawers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:13:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6AA45.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've been quiet and watching this convresation evolve, and honestly I have been enjoying myself. It gives food for thought as to why these underwear, and another Venetian pair that indeed look like men's breeches, exist in the first place. It also further develops the question as to why one of them is stained in a strategic place. I'll throw some opinions and theories out there and see why others think... conversation fodder. This collection is referred to as the Sicilian Bride. Following along with the lingerie philosophy that "it's not the contents, but the packaging that make it sweeter" would it be a habit to "wrap the prize" of marriage to further entice the couple into consummation? By extension, the other pair that are listed as undergarments: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/extdraw2.htm and given the blatant nature of the phrase all over them, are we back to the "underwear on women are for enticement" theory? It also seems odd to put so much decorative effort into a marginally functional garment if they were not in regular use. I think it was Lawner that mentioned a text reference to courtesans and prostitutes being church sanctioned in order to try and turn the homosexual males back to a more biblical way of life. I think there was also mention of some women cross dressing for this very reason - playing an erotic cross-gendering game. Would it not be another type of erotic game to dress like a woman but wear men's underwear underneath all that obvious femininity? I think too that we have to take into account the culture these underwear are attached - Sicilian, not Italian as many people believe. Sicily is more attached to Spain than it is Italy at this time. I am rather vague on both Spanish and Sicilian 16th c. cultures to really make any comment on the commonality of intimate undergarments for women. I think our general ignorance on the subject of feminine hygiene has nothing to do with it not being written down. I suspect it's more due to it being hidden away, my guess would be typical of the Victorian, possibly earlier depending on the social mores of the time and place. I have an entire book written on childbirth and its' associated rituals in Venice. It contains some surprisingly frank art within it's covers. Unfortunately, since it deals with childbirth as an event, there is no real mention of how menses are handled in it. I would suspect though, that if we followed the authors' original sources, we would find more than our share of information. In all of the primary texts that I have come across relative to sexuality in general, the Venetians at least, are very straightforward and have a rather colourful and broad vocabulary covering such private topics. Looking up "sangue" in Florios' 1611 Italian-English Dictionary garners me a broad variety of derivatives that can be applied to a woman's menstrual blood. Looking up "menses" I get a period (pardon the pun) term for a woman's monthly: "Mnstruo: a womans monethly(sic) termes, issues, fluxes, sheddings or flowers. Also silver(?) among Alchemists." Flowers?! So they really weren't any less frank about it than we are, really. And honestly we are just as allusive today as they were then - that whole "period" and "flowers" thing. Therein lies a possible explanation as to why we know little about the topic - code words that were used amongst familiar groups that are meaningless to us today. Either way, it bears looking into. My general opinion on the stained underwear I mentioned above is the possibility of proof of consummation. The provenance of the garments suggests that the woman in question was possibly not that well-to-do, perhaps from a convent orphanage. If she married above her station, mayhap this was her insurance against annulment? It would seem odd to save stained underwear in a time when all fabrics were too precious not to put into regular daily use, or sell off for rags. I suppose I will know more when I see them in person - if the stain looks undisturbed or washed several times since their discolouration. Anyway, food for thought. Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 14:26:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJQX85030256 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:26:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJQPp1024650; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:26:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CJPfaM052835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CJPcUb090407; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CJPYs2090247 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44223 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 19:25:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WHaRzfek8fRzyPChIFlnwQckob7E3T19SIuurCHYvWydWd7meMKBwpZRPL5WcGzZ+0hLdooFIvVykJObFiJFUt5dQ/ikLtlcOhV03X/BEXNK69MkI/9J+hhxfvHQsY5539y20kSBY6vfhtjfUsNSrVImngjiY8KsvNW6uIqv7ic= ; Message-ID: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:28 PST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601120644.k0C6iaF6056139@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:26:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6AD61.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hey Carol K, e-friend and sock guru, thanks for all the info on machine/frame knit sock (what is the correct term, or are all the terms correct, but for different techniques?) The spousal unit (Corporal Dappert) bought a pair or the machine knit Civil war socks. in coton. they look good (to me, but I only know enought to be dangerous), they are in natural color cotton, and have no elastic. and very little give. They are supremely hard to get on and off.. I'll have to dig them out and look at the heel to see what kind of heel was put in. real period socks and stocking can be a challenge for those of us in the reecacting world.....Which is why I went to not-so-authentic, but faster to produce cut from whole cloth stockings. The have that clock, which is missing from so many commerically availble socks. I'm still experimenting with differen fabrics for the stiffness factor. I have a piece of wool jersey that has been washed and fulled up nicely, AND is a bit stiffer. Do you know what the frequency is of stockings done in wool, but not knitted (Just general is good...) MIa in Charlotte, headed to Cowpens SC, where she won't be needing ANY stockings cause the weather here is in the 60s --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 17:32:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWTfV006814 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWKOu003365; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CMS9u7080403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CKtYl4075961; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:55:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CKtEFL075607 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 88836 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 20:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 20:55:03 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112205329.01da6e08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:54:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. 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At 16:23 12/01/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >Its no problem. Here is their website, even in english: >http://www.broderiantik.dk/english/index.html > >Bjarne > > >>At 15:26 12/01/2006, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>>Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from >>>Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me >>>doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght >>>would be hopeless to get anymore. >>>I will happily give this, for that quality! >> >>Bjarne >>Do you have an address for this? I have a friend in Copenhagen who >>will be visiting in a few weeks, and could maybe bring me some. You >>can mail me off list if you like. >>Suzi Thank you so much I was just talking with my friend, and she is coming over in about 4 weeks, so that gives her long enough to go and have a look and maybe buy some, or get a sample. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 17:32:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWTGR006813 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWKmZ014706; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CMS9u9080403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CK0Gct022444; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CJxsjV022158 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0CJxmeY022874 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:59:48 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.40.77] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-40-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.40.77]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CJxJAO025256 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:59:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060112115357.0355b0c8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:58:44 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. In-Reply-To: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200601120644.k0C6iaF6056139@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6D8F4.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > real period socks and stocking can be a challenge for those of us in > the reecacting world.....Which is why I went to not-so-authentic, but > faster to produce cut from whole cloth stockings. The have that clock, > which is missing from so many commerically availble socks. I'm still > experimenting with differen fabrics for the stiffness factor. I have a > piece of wool jersey that has been washed and fulled up nicely, AND is a > bit stiffer. Do you know what the frequency is of stockings done in > wool, but not knitted (Just general is good...) I'm not much of a knitter, but I have a book called "Folk Socks", which has every kind of heel I ever say, and several I never did before, all with knitting instructions for them. (I haven't been following this thread, so I don't know if this book has been mentioned.) It also has many kinds of toe, also with instructions. These might go as far back as the early 1700s, or possibly the late late 1600s. I also have Mr. Rutts book on the history of hand knitting, and that has lots of pictures of SCA-able knitted pieces, including the socks Eleanor of Toledo was buried in, and a pair of knitted Pluderhosen! (Really. They're amazing.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 17:52:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMptaJ007174 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMplxH025071; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CMpPwx084332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CMpMqR079932; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CMpCpI079787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0369.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.115]:4939 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ExBHh-0004TR-Mr for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:10 -0500 Message-ID: <43C6DD59.4030704@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:05 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Menses discussion. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6DD83.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This is the second list I am on with similar discussions going on, about different eras, but I was getting them confused til I realised it was different lists. LOL Now I'm going to make sure to ask my mom how she dealt with it as a young girl in the Poor 30s. her family was quite poor so They could have easily been using methods which were 30 or so years old. Thanks for the impetus, I might never have thought to wonder til she was gone. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 23:04:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D44Kg7017877 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:04:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D4460g012797; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:04:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D42reI028683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:02:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D42Zfu007755; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D42VQU007720 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=djTQ6H4kOxOpiU3e67RS0UOnjZuYkjz8NNi2w5m0rg40PPSg/17P1dJtm3a8o9oT; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.147.78] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ExG91-0007bT-Gi for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:02:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <389C1484-0475-4446-8870-F0D2448E9F31@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:02:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a50db4ff489e8d2e89d1d8a36c12c098c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.147.78 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:04:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C726B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Kathy Page wrote: > I've been quiet and watching this convresation evolve, > and honestly I have been enjoying myself. It gives > food for thought as to why these underwear, and > another Venetian pair that indeed look like men's > breeches, exist in the first place. It also further > develops the question as to why one of them is stained > in a strategic place. I'd like to note that the conclusion "medieval European women are portrayed wearing underpants only as a symbolic appropriation of masculinity" applies specifically to the medieval era. By the 16th century in both Italy and Spain (somewhat earlier in Spain than Italy) the social rules had clearly shifted. And outside Europe, the "pants=masculinity" equation can't be assumed at all. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 23:58:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D4w9Cl019133 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:58:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D4w07E003899; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:58:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D4uH6q034881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D4u6sF040394; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D4u0Lg040327 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp38.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.38]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0D4ripj016111 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:54:01 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20060112233757.00dcbe90@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:57:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Stocking frame images source Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings In-Reply-To: <60068.64.156.242.51.1137079964.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C73358.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello everyone: Maybe people have seen these already, but as fate would have it, I just came across an illustration and a model of stocking frames at this site, the Science & Society Picture Library London, which includes 30,000 images from the Science Museum, National Railway Museum, and National Museum of Photography, Film and Television. (I hope that "Digbig" comes through for me - I'm trying to learn to use it more and the url was enormous!) 1750's: http://digbig.com/4fxwq Caption: Engraving taken from the Universal Magazine showing three textile workers spinning yarn, winding bobbins and using a stocking frame to knit woollen stockings. 1770's: http://digbig.com/4fxwr This knitting machine, although made in about 1770, is similar to the original frame invented by Reverend William Lee in 1589. Knitting, when a surface is made by interlooping a single thread with itself, is the second principle method of fabric manufacture. A knitted cloth is extensible in every direction, and will fit the body in a way impossible with woven fabric. The original stocking frame of 1589 was a remarkably complicated machine for its time and employed, for the first time, the spring needles and other devices still used today. If that doesn't work, try a search using "stockings" at: http://www.ingenious.org.uk/See/ The work that international museums, libraries, historical societies (not to forget individuals) in putting up image databases is absolutely brilliant. Sheridan Alder At 10:32 AM 1/12/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Kathleen, > > My area of study is 18th century hosiery, and I was doing reenactment >of that era for about 18 years. Knitting needles are an even >simpler tool, and can deal with different sizes of items. As a >cottage industry, that's all a knitter would need. Some homes did >have a knitting frame. > > We don't have extant wooden frames from that era except for possibly >the purse frames, and no artwork or descriptions of that method. >Until we do, it counts as experimental archeology. If she does have >information, there are many people who would like to know about it! >We've talked about it on the HistoricKnit list, and I think there is >also a new list for peg-frame knitters. > > Can the peg frame increase or decrease for the calf and ankle? That >is a feature of 18th century hosiery, whether it's hand knit or >framework. > > -Carol > > > > Ah, but I mentioned yesterday that I have a friend who > > has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for > > herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her > > era for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she >is very > > fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame > > method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. > > > > Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the > > concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage > > crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. > > > > Kathleen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carol Kocian" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > > > > >> Kathleen said, > >> >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting > >> >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with > >> >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the > >> >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can > >> >even turn a heel!! > >> > >> People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. > >> "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a > >> machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a > >> small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no > >> evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. > >> > >> -Carol > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 01:31:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6VUrR021762 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:31:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6VM7M010404; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:31:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D6TAD9044726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6T3MN094585; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6T0XR094551 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7A2C3C058A; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:24:34 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c6180a$a3e71d90$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112012004.01d7f3c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Clout is an old word for cloth. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Well, the only reference I have ever seen to women's menses or the items associated with it, was in Philip Stubbes "Anatomy of Abuses" (can't remember the page # off the top of my head) when he referred to someone as a "menstrous clout". I would hazard a guess that there might be other references hidden in odd places like Stubbes but they will take some dedicated digging. It's funny, for me, this reference always started a word association "game" in my brain which ended with visions of a nappy/diaper like arrangement. I freely admit that there is no basis in fact that I have been able to discover, for this idea but the word "clout" just always triggered a train of thought that at some point ran through "breech clout" and ended with the nappy/diaper image. Cheers, Danielle At 11:23 AM 1/10/2006, you wrote: >This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did >16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I >know, but how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to >be dealt with, though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once >had an article on 19th C. inovations. > >Dame Catriona MacDuff >Interested in 16th C. womens issues _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 01:45:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6jof4022195 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:45:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6jgFQ015865; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:45:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D6j2XG046105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6iwL6004120; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6itlJ004085 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB5E3440A72; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:40:30 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:44:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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It seems that the person who played "Mother M" in that picture is a guy. That would really help, because they really are larger and stronger (usually) and so can drag a heavy contraption more easily. Also, extra height on the part of the actor means extra head room underneath. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000 174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 11:32:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DGWspq007293 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:32:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DGWjp4005422; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DGQTc0036842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:26:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DGQEQs075177; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav13.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DGQ6Qd075048 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:26:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.238.214.128 by BAY108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:26:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.238.214.128] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:25:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2006 16:26:05.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D85E8F0:01C6185E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings (long) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:32:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7D62E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0DGWspq007293 Carol wrote: >Ok, I'm convinced the cut-from-yardgoods stockings existed. >Come to think of it, there is a stocking I looked at from around 1880 >that fit the category - one of the fancy knit fabrics that probably >could not have been done any other way. > However, I thought you said the cut & sewn were the most common >for mid-19th century. I have not seen that in extant stockings in >museum collections. There are certainly hand-knit stockings, and >those that are knit to shape. I never said they were the most common, I said they were the best available option; documented period technique using period appropriate fibers. What dating criteria have you been using in your examinations? As you previously stated this was not a period technique, perhaps you misinterpreted what you were examining. Also, we are all aware that the items in museums tend to be representative of those fine, expensive items of the upper classes as opposed to the common everyday items of the middle or lower classes, which were usually used and reused until nothing was left. The employments of women also states that one single factory was employing 700 women to sew stockings, unfortunately it does not state how many per day they could complete, but that's a very large workforce for the time period - there most have been a demand for the product. >From >The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. >Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. >Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. > >Hosiers: >A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said >to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's >knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do >well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' >doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a >straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into >the articles wanted. >Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well >made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are >employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. > Is this an advertisement for ladies to buy this machine and use >it at home? It's a bit confusing considering they mention steam >power. Having to cut the yardgoods to shape does not seem like >knitting the perfect stocking. The Aiken's machine was hand-cranked and focused towards home manufacture. Steam power was used in the factories. There were issues with converting machinery originally intended for hand power to steam power. The steam power was so powerful (if not properly regulated) that the older equipment frequently did not function optimally - it simply couldn't keep up. I suspect in knitted goods, it led to imperfect knitting, obviously especially along the selvedges > I heard that someone was knitting stockings on some sort of >machine for Civil War reenactment use. But then he stopped for some >reason? I believe Mickey Childs (not sure I'm remembering the name correctly) was making men's socks and there was some controversy on the heel construction. I'm not aware of anyone ever making correct machine knit ladies stockings. I personally don't knit and am not in a position to pay some a reasonable fee for the time and energy it would take for them to handknit a pair of stockings (pet peeve of mine - too many people doing intricate handwork price their items too low, they don't place a respectable value on their time, talent, knowledge, etc.). So again, I feel comfortable reproducing a period technique with the best available approximation of a period textile. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net Making them from knit yardgoods is a good way to get something better, short of handknitting. Since the original question was about 18th century, it may or may not be perfectly authentic - depends on the decade being reproduced. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 12:13:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHD6OD008843 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:13:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHCwNO000383; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DHC21G042983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DHBvZ2016697; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DDw1fn060344 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fa.185eadca (16035) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M29 (mblk-m29.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.73]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea343c7b1de6e; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:49 -0500 From: chindora@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7E66079101F36-FC-B59B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:48 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060112182830.39650.qmail@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.73 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7DF9A.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have never really used commercial patterns for historical costuming, but have drafted my own based on pictures of period pattern pieces. When I bought this set, I was hoping for more detailed directions, perhaps more period methods of assembling the garments. I was extremely frustrated several times, and like I said at one point the directions had me assembling a part inside out, but when it was all said and done I was thrilled with the finished outfit. The pattern pieces, for the most part, made sense, but someone else pointed out (on Margo's site, I believe) that they did not rely on the directions and simply used the pattern pieces. I am not saying it is a pattern without merit, just forewarning you that it is a first run and still has mistakes. My suggestion is that you hook up with someone else who has a good bit of sewing experience to help you over the rough spots. :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. --- chindora@aol.com wrote: > I just bought and made that pattern in November, and > found that there were several corrections to pattern > pieces, directions left off in some places, and at > one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I > cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so > I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember > fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to > me that doing what made sense at the time was the > right thing to do. > > I would not recommend this pattern for someone who > is not already familiar with basic construction > techniques for this type of garment. > > ~Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: A & J Garden > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens > pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an > answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that > needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but > I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten > me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 12:17:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHHn2n008942 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:17:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHHfqd003572; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:17:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DHGwp5043767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DHGtek021675; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DGUAdB078509 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13168 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 16:30:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uahvGt03/6O6BE2jXpSv+WHxb7S7pkHwrByozStUiubCfC6QunXdzBz3pgpU9rGX3+xbmIds21WBsao3j9IctxCmMYn8RBmnqkLc8/wIaPRKKndvbtLMAmmzjUYfAwHaGDSmWthMC8wsy/P7DjYML0aXdqtG6/EKgvaJtUB2Lvs= ; Message-ID: <20060113163004.13166.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:30:04 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:30:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601120305.k0C35C6T024313@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:17:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7E0B5.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Becky, I posted some pix on my site. In the back view, you can see the kids feet peeking out from under the dress. Our costume doesn't have wheels (yet), it was the San Francisco Ballet that did. http://www.quite-contrary.org/images/DSC_0479.JPG http://www.quite-contrary.org/images/DSC_0223.JPG The bodice is separate from the skirt, and the skirt is also in two pieces. The top piece is attached to the frame, while the "skirting" (if you know what I mean) is attached by velcro just under the top pink ruffle. It's very heavy! They have used this costume for 10+ years, and it's looking rather down at the heels and droopy now! :-) ~mary Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:12:51 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger I would appreciate seeing other costumes for Mother Ginger. We want to put it on wheels as well. maybe I can tell from the pictures. Thanks for the offer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > Hi Becky, > > My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M > Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. > You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could > be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to > create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape > and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape > and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to > come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold > the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers > who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is > attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M > Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. > > We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that > their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about > that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing > the costume and it "glides" across the stage. > > I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if > you'd like to see them. > > HTH, > ~mary > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 13:55:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DIt28I012709 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:55:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DIsrUI002135; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DIsB9m060205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DIrwsv012528; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DIrqvf012357 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angelalazear@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 15178 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 18:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Message-ID: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "angelalazear" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:53:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:54:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7F77D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Listies, Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old topic threads? (I need the url as well) I am finally in the research phase of purchasing a serger, and I believe that was a recent topic here. Any other resource for info on sergers would be appreciated. I've been to many sewing machine sites, but they are really short on the info I'm looking for. I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot of fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) Ease of threading Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) thanks! +++++ Angela F. 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Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 15:33:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKXS2Q015781 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKXG7V003916; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DKV31U073460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKUv4r095269; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKUrbl095213 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:30:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:30:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2006 20:30:52.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F9F1AB0:01C61880] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C80E8C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My hobbylock 784 was purchased about 15years ago, at the time it was well over 1000$, but I'm sure they've come down in price. It's been put through it paces working in several professional shops, carted back and forth to classes I've taught and is still running smooth and strong, with only a minor repair of a screw other than regular cleaning and timing check. It's relatively small for a 4 thread, and easy as pie to thread! Hope that helps! Kelly > Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) > Ease of threading > Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) > Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) > > thanks! > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > Theatrical Costume Design > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram > W. Shakespeare > > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 15:42:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKgdNQ016065 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:42:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKgV2X010138; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DKfFth075151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKfCPr004512; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKf8A2004391 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C3039693B for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:10:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> References: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:10:08 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: serger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:42:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C810B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 12:02 PM -0700 1/13/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm >going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot of >fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: > >Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) >Ease of threading >Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) >Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) I wore out a second hand Toyota doing lots of stupid over the top stuff--it lasted 6+ years and cost ~$120. I then got a White from JoAnn's for under $200 and it is running strong--and the def. feed is sooo nice! And it is easy to thread at 2am with a deadline looming. Both are small footprint machines. I sew heavy dog gear so YMMV. I figure that if I get 3-5 years of heavy use out of the White it's a good deal. Ta Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger like my Mennonite friend has... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 16:20:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLKttX018948 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:20:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLKlsF004088; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:20:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLIoPn080221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLIhdK037005; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DLIdSj036847 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 71016 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 21:18:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZOhcWxx/R4NmoMCLq+fiHaHRpcvTes8PYtDRyetpe4VtNeeGpmUZvVe4yYdHIm0frW7UaNId6bv84Ne+CXddAF9zKmpgWDVI08u1tXzbreDrv4HrB00T/0FV7qG697Gb5rRJepA3TbXWK5nkdeTK6RRPyIPkakdB/hjh2dpJW4w= ; Message-ID: <20060113211831.71014.qmail@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.47.169] by web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:18:31 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:18:31 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: serger To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:20:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C819AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Carol - Have you looked at Lehman's for your treadle serger? They are a major supplier to the Amish community. We looked at them for old style cast iron kettles and I was amazed at what they carry. Rebecca --- cahuff wrote: > At 12:02 PM -0700 1/13/06, > Ta > Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger > like my Mennonite > friend has... > -- > Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 16:26:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLQ1a0019122 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLPrpF007602; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:25:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLPIfM081434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLPFXM042865; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLP2dH042646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLOsiX008975 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:24:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:24:25 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: serger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:25:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C81AE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>> cahuff@clearviewcatv.net 01/13/06 3:10 PM >>> >Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger like my Mennonite friend has... I was truly intrigued by this, so I went looking. Here's someone who built, actually converted, her own! http://www.mushycat.com/wiki/index.php?n=Treadles.SergerConversion Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 16:33:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLXxoY019277 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLXpcN012924; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLX26W082599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLWr6g049536; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:32:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DLWmSC049395 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42641 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 21:32:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VZHEOppvhpIpBHYWDO0nzujSC0N6xz62nxYpuoz6uvwE8ngJuBE6mXIDuE/i7MefFsEDG1KAc2YTW4ky9fbIhyyLCA0YWtEnsqOgfCxB5wylFJ56q4REEWq9k5HODEjYBD/hvdqS5/814WnPEZPscOc9hQ5k/Gv2vW5+muNJZ4c= ; Message-ID: <20060113213242.42639.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:32:42 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C81CBF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hiya. A meter is a little bit more than a yard. 6 danish kr is about a dollar at the moment. So a bit more than a yard of this material is about 50 dollars ;-). Very expensive I know, but fabrics are expensive in Denmark since we have a 25% sales tax. Tania otsisto wrote: Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? De -----Original Message----- You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm wide. Hope you can use this info Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 17:36:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMajY3021547 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:36:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMabKY017674; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:36:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DMZqFe093085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMZl4A006749; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:35:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DMZhQJ006581 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2489 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 22:35:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UBsMx3JoEjeisaltMC3aaG3UMQYy1cucCYMVCGLq2eo9m8TRi3vFgM5YiYJtOyji9lkC/dchZ3QBjdppX9LhbEvsEh1ivBJrxlf0o+fCMN/jR4uszYjGBw3HMYRva5loGsy9oiiPaH16pQj9jJxsVpK/4pfNQDywCShYA2QN4fI= ; Message-ID: <20060113223538.2487.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.204.32] by web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:35:38 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601121901.k0CJ09V9066060@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:36:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C82B75.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathy, I guess I missed your post in November, or I would have replied then. I have no clue how they curved the PVC pipe (the costume was made long before my daughter was ever in Nutcracker). I could ask the director though, as I will see her tonight. They used the pipe that's about 3" diameter, so it's very stiff, it won't collapse. Your ladder contraption sounds very precarious! We have a tall mom who portrays MG and she wears platform shoes to give her a bit more height (I sent links to pix earlier today and you can see the shoes in one of them). With the current configuration, the whole thing hangs off of her shoulders and she walks onto stage, does some silly stuff (like puts on lipstick & a tiara), spins once, and then lets the Gingersnaps out. She did have a mishap this year (first time ever!) where the skirt tipped forward and she stepped on the front hem of the skirt. Luckily she didn't fall! I think that adding the wheels to the bottom of the dress frame will take most of the weight off of her and also stabilize it. Just have to figure out how to attach them.... The SF Ballet article link was their old production. The whole thing was redone last year, set in the Edwardian period (OCC -- really lovely period costumes!!). The MG dress has the same shape, but now looks more like an 18th c. dress with panniers. I was not able to find an image online, but we did buy a program and I will look at it tonight to see if there's an image of MG. I suppose you could try sending an email to SF Ballet and ask them for advice, too. ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:09 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was bas! ed o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 17:42:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMgKeZ021656 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMgC7A020840; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DMfmmg093957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMfkp2011763; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DMfg7x011624 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64696 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 22:41:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p2czpmuZ1FyC/J8i1iNXhfU1wtLLX8AXd0ywpZeeZ1q80qzTxBg7sDzip4AQOqOITa1X84a2U8YXcyvnDqAB6e17VudATVG2ltCo4FYpz/K/C93CJN2NgbZGPVq6xNFPELcsWwBv3uIxEKNi6Ho9dsIBm1lI/4n05iZRzL3WQRA= ; Message-ID: <20060113224136.64694.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.204.32] by web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:41:36 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601121901.k0CJ09V9066060@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: margo pattern question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C82CC4.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I also had a problem with the collar, made it over several times and finally gave up in frustration and went on to another project. It's been sitting in my UFO pile for a couple years now. I just thought it was me, since I had never made anything like it before. Now I feel a bit better that I'm not the only one! Might even start working on it again... :-) ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 From: chindora@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question I just bought and made that pattern in November, and found that there were several corrections to pattern pieces, directions left off in some places, and at one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to me that doing what made sense at the time was the right thing to do. I would not recommend this pattern for someone who is not already familiar with basic construction techniques for this type of garment. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Aylwen «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. 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(nicolaa55@70.27.127.29 with plain) by smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 22:41:56 -0000 Message-ID: <43C82CBA.5010406@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:02 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [Bulk] [h-cost] Sergers & past topics References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> In-Reply-To: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:47:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C82DFC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings-- angelalazear wrote: > I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm > going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot > of fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: > > Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) > Ease of threading > Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) > Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) I've had a Janome myLock 134 for about 12 years now. It occasionally gets cranky with old needles and slices threads, but that thing is a tank and extremely non-fussy otherwise. I should really be nicer to it and get it tuned up. I'm sure the threading on the newer models is a bit easier--this one was bought back in the relative Old Days. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:11:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNBCMN022140 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:11:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNB46C005774; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DMxSXf096394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMXJNj004434; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMX9BC004162 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006011322330201400dlad2e>; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:33:02 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:33:01 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:33:01 +0000 Message-Id: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stitch example? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:11:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83388.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've seen this stitch mentioned several times in directions for sewing, but can't seem to find a good example of it. The stitch is a "blind stitch". Does anyone have a good instructional example of it? I'll want to teach myself it then teach my students. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:13:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNDjg3022181 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:13:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNDb6m007299; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:13:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DNCr1q098365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNCnAu037711; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:12:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNCeR3037577 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.186]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BE6B5EE01E for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:12:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c61896$d86693c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:12:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pride and prejudice (late) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:13:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83421.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I went to the movies today and watched what you already saw long time ago, Pride and Prejudice. Movies always are late here, dont know why, Casanova is coming in april. Well i must say that i lost my heart totally to this version of Austens novel. The characters were well chosen, settings and situations was gorgeous, and especially the interriors of Longborn Manor was to die for. Excatly what i have in my head of that time. Peassants at your doorway and geese and hens at the front opening, very romantic and very realistic to me. Even the costumes was absolutely lovely, i simply think the costumer had hit the right situation, that a remote place in the country would be far behind from such a daring and shocking fashion change as the regency was. How delighted to see the anglaise dresses used, and mr Bennet dressed in oldfashioned long waistcoat, from the 1750ies. I was so diverted and i really would like to go again to watch it tomorrow. Bravo................ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNqNWW022869 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:52:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNqEFU028417; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:52:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DNpMEO003941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpGc2069080; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpBuH068940 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FEE396ABC for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:50:45 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601132241.k0DMflpK011783@net.indra.com> References: <200601132241.k0DMflpK011783@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:50:38 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Serger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:52:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83D2E.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 3:41 PM -0700 1/13/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >>Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger like my Mennonite >friend has... > >I was truly intrigued by this, so I went looking. Here's someone who >built, actually converted, her own! >http://www.mushycat.com/wiki/index.php?n=Treadles.SergerConversion Veddy Cool!!!! Guess I'll have to get the Toyota repaired now to use as a 'victim'... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:59:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNxBlt022970 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:59:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNx3QZ031962; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:59:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DNpR9k003965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpRE6069235; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpOTX069115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ExYhJ-0005Ya-FY; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:09 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:09 -0600 Message-ID: <20060113175109.bgiyavkojdo0swkw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:09 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: margo pattern question References: <20060113224136.64694.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060113224136.64694.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:59:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83EC7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Mary : > I also had a problem with the collar, made it over several times and > finally gave up in frustration and went on to another project. It's > been sitting in my UFO pile for a couple years now. I just thought > it was me, since I had never made anything like it before. Now I > feel a bit better that I'm not the only one! Might even start > working on it again... :-) > In case you don't know, there's an e-list at yahoo for Margo's Patterns run by Margo herself. She's an active participant, and eagerly solicits places like this so that she can *fix* them in the next release of the pattern. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/margospatterns/ Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:07:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07cbs023149 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07UJ3002921; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E05QT2006486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E05Q2s081352; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DJg729054701 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:42:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30638 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 20:38:39 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:38:39 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C840C2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello everyone, For those of you who had input on my silk taffeta question, I have another question related to the first one: When you buy your taffeta, what weight do you look for? I found 2.25 oz. silk taffeta for $16.98/yard (denverfabrics.com) I found 4 oz. silk taffeta for $22.00/yard (distinctivefabrics.com) I found ? weight silk taffeta (labeled lightweight) for $11.00/yard (fashionfabricsclub.com) I found ? weight silk taffeta for $30.99/yard (fabrics.net) The weight silk I would buy would be the 4 oz. kind and my supplier has even heavier silk taffeta (5.30 oz.) but I don't know the cost yet. Is 4 oz. considered heavy enough for what we do? Or is 5.30 oz. preferable? Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:07:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07nTT023155 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07fuE029312; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E06KAQ006745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E06Jrv082287; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DN8BkX034076 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ExY1i-0006Vj-8N for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:08:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:06:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C840CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote >> I have spent the weekend at an event >> in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. > >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys >had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world >of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E075Mo023133 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E06vP6003993; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E02AWE005919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E026bV078359; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from courageux.concentric.com (courageux.concentric.com [207.155.248.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DJQVDb041387 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by courageux.concentric.com id OAA01098; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:26:30 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200601131926.OAA01098@courageux.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTD019606@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0DJQVDb041387 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:06:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C840A1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! OK. I can make knit yardgoods (5 knitting machines). What would the stitches per inch be? Is there a decent pattern anywhere? Julie ---- wrote: > >Ok, I'm convinced the cut-from-yardgoods stockings existed. > >Come to think of it, there is a stocking I looked at from around 1880 > >that fit the category - one of the fancy knit fabrics that probably > >could not have been done any other way. SNIP > >A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said > >to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's > >knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do > >well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' > >doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a > >straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into > >the articles wanted.> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:15:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0Fm3c023304 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0FeeH008496; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E051RH006415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E04vRp080853; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DJbTva050668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DJbJQ9020745 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:37:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:37:19 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:36:45 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0DJbTva050668 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C842AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>> sharon@collierfam.com 01/13/06 1:44 AM >>> >It seems that the person who played "Mother M" in that picture is a guy. >That would really help, because they really are larger and stronger >(usually) and so can drag a heavy contraption more easily. Yes, I know--and more often than not Mother Ginger *is* a guy--just for the comedy factor. We had wanted to use a guy-- we were trying to get a local celebrity, like a DJ--but the Artistic Director nixed that idea, too. (Can you tell we had many artistic differances?) So it ended up being Clara's mother, Mrs. Stahlbaum, who had no more to do after Act I was over (and who, by the way, just happens to be my daughter. This production was the 20th anniversary of the first time the company did Nutcracker. Twenty years ago, Gretchen was Clara--now she came back to play her own mother!) >Also, extra height on the part of the actor means extra head room underneath. Well, remember Gretchen was sitting on top of a 4-foot ladder--she was the eqivalent of about a 7' person anyway! We need whatever device they use to drive parade floats around! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000 174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:33:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0XGvj023684 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0X83d016812; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E0WRC2009969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0WOCl000152; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0WK0e099970 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip21-10.charter.net ([10.20.202.71]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060114003215.YMFQ4943.mtai03.charter.net@mxip21-10.charter.net> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:32:15 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip21-10.charter.net with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2006 19:32:05 -0500 Message-Id: <4lnroc$8lufli@mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net> X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:31:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYXPTU4L5MbitiHRcq58POky+FUKgBYo+yQ X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C846C4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? > I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm > pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to > the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - > can anyone here enlighten me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen Just what problems are you having? I have made the doublet a few times for my husband and don't recall having any troubles. I just checked my pattern instructions for any notes that I might have jotted down (I try to do this so I remember if I changed something for the next time) and have nothing recorded for the neck-piece at all. >I just bought and made that pattern in November, and found that there were several corrections to pattern pieces, >directions left off in some places, and at one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I cannot remember what I >had to do to make it work, so I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember fighting with the collar, however, and it >seems to me that doing what made sense at the time was the right thing to do. >I would not recommend this pattern for someone who is not already familiar with basic construction techniques for this >type of garment. >~Kimberley I would agree with you that Margo's patterns do need a bit of prior sewing experience. I have also found places where an step is left out - obvious if you've sewn before, but not so obvious if this is your first sewing experience. >Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one >you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. >Rebecca Burch There is really no better pattern than Margo's on the market (my opinion, of course!) Her patterns are well researched and I think fulfill the qualification of "historically accurate". The only way you could get more accurate is to draft your own pattern using Janet Arnold, or some other costume historian's sketches (or your own, if you are so lucky). What Faire are you making the costume for? Is your son going to be on cast? I know for a fact that Margo's patterns are used by cast members at many Faires across the country - I have used them for myself and my husband at Bristol and recommend them to the members of my Guilde, of which I am the costume liaison. >I also had a problem with the collar, made it over several times and finally gave up in frustration and went on to >another project. It's been sitting in my UFO pile for a couple years now. I just thought it was me, since I had never >made anything like it before. Now I feel a bit better that I'm not the only one! Might even start working on it >again... :-) > ~mary Again, I do not have any notes at the doublet collar section of my pattern instructions. It is a tricky part, but if you follow the instructions *very* *carefully*, it works fine. It is one of those spots where I found I can't go rushing through, or I will mess up. OK, I'm reading the instructions themselves over carefully. I think that the step that is missing is to slash the seam allowance to the inside corner dot, so that the piece will pivot and be able to sew the collar piece to the shoulder/front. Does that make sense? Not something that I needed to note for myself, because I just knew/figured what needed to be done from prior experiences. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:52:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0q0Vu024090 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:52:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0pouZ027779; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E0pHkb012044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0pEFw012653; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0pC8E012543 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.78]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060114005106.EYBB29039.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:51:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c618a4$5f776080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:49:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Aaaak! Embroidery issues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:51:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C84B26.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am *finally* finishing my version of an early period Irish short coat for my Husband, and I find I am nearly out of one particular colour of DMC Medicis wool. I go to check the website of the shop I usually buy from (I cannot get any locally) only to find that since I last ordered from them they no longer carry it. Grrr! (This is the second time this has happened to me with this particular line of wool, apparently I'm one of the very few people that actually uses it.) What I am looking for is a Canadian shop that carries Medicis, that will do mail-order/online. I'm in 'Northern' Ontario, but I'd consider anything within reasonable shipping distance. US suppliers are fine as well, provided they don't charge an arm and a leg for shipping. :-) Thanks folks for any help! Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* " I'm Irish! When I am well, I am better than everyone, when I am hurt I yell at the top of my lungs, and when I am dead I shall be deader than anybody! " _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:54:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0sGhQ024318 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0s8VL013279; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E0rZj8012254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0rWcP013976; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0rScs013928 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.80.98] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ExZfb-0005yE-Al for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:53:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000601101216w16f7c6c3g@mail.gmail.com> References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A0901030704020704 0A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <37ee9e000601101216w16f7c6c3g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:53:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc47de531145778c46c0eae7a6d0e8337b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.80.98 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Underwear & Menses (was: medieval quote on underwear) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C84BB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 8:16 PM +0000 1/10/06, Caroline wrote: >If you are pregnant or breastfeeding you are unlikely to have monthly >cycles. Admitted women who are not sexually active won't be pregnant much >but once you take nuns out of the equasion most women wouldn't need sanitary >protection much during their life. But they'd still need it enough of their lives for it to be a consideration in their lives. (And even most married women were probably not producing a child every year, or even every two years, and so would have spent much of their mature lives menstruating every month -- and not all women got married, remained married constantly until menopause, were fertile, etc...) In any case, since this was raised in the context of discussing underwear, it is worth explicitly reminding ourselves that while currently in the US and similar cultures we often deal with menstruation by attaching something to underwear, this solution is in fact extremely modern. When I first started menstruating (circa 1980, give or take a couple years) many were still wearing special belts with dangly bits to which sanitary pads were attached (no underwear needed), and even as recently as the early 1990s when I was in hospital in the UK, the hospital issue pads assumed such a belt (which, naturally, I didn't have, not having used one since I was a young teenager -- nor were any of the British women I knew still using such things). And even though I have myself used such non-adhesive backing methods in the past, I still tend to forget that adhesive pads attached to underwear hasn't been around since time immemorial -- that is, until forcibly reminded by hospital time-warps or the like! So, even if it were true that historically women didn't need sanitary protection much during their life, that wouldn't explain lack of women wearing underwear as underwear is completely unnecessary for sanitary protection (even without tampons) and, further, modernly underwear only became part of the sanitary protection solution in very recent decades. That is, sanitary protection tells us nothing about underwear, and underwear tells us nothing about sanitary protection, except and unless there is specific evidence linking the two frequently unrelated variables in some specific context (such as, say, very late 20th, early 21st century US & similar cultures). Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 20:19:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E1JbW2024771 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:19:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E1JTua009107; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:19:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E1IfqS014734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E1IdBt028673; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:18:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E1IY7F028620 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.185.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.185] helo=faucet.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Exa3t-00078n-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <43C85F74.9020107@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:28 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:19:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C851A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! angelalazear wrote: > I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm > going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot > of fancy stitches. I love Jukis, despite the price. I've used them in two academic shops so far, and they are fab! The shop I'm in now had two sergers, one Singer and one other (White, maybe?) that were relatively new but always choking up, sucking trimmed-off edges back in, breaking threads, and losing stitches. Everyone breathed a sigh of relief when we got the Juki. I've had my personal Juki for 15 years and have never once had a problem with it. It will chomp through a ridiculous number of layers (when I was a professional cutter/draper, I once brought home a costume that the sergers at work couldn't handle). Melanie Schuessler (now Asst. Prof. of Costume Design, Eastern Michigan University) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 21:39:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2dsWC026214 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2dkKj012945; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E2culQ023186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E2cq1n074889; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0E2cmqR074794 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 95450 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2006 02:38:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cj+uBcZE99TCq1YxwvmHvj7nYMI2RW4HMjgAmA9A9Ve4LlD9uK1iWcrEOwodyLB4EmQCjzoO2ThSuV2AxWHpVqlHC5bk/Au4IgC4lbekwQU7unH2hQmTTiaKfrEKJuUWKUFyjjFiGJOvsuIByg02ZOcJqBgRO3d1uo5grrKs42E= ; Message-ID: <20060114023842.95448.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.47.169] by web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:38:42 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4lnroc$8lufli@mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C86472.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How interesting! My son, Ansel, will be on cast as Capt. Martin Frobisher at Bristol. You may have met him last summer when he was a Yeoman of the Guard. He was the one wearing a leek in his hat. I just spoke with Kate, the costume liason for St. George, and she said that these would be fine. So now I am in search of wool crepe, which she suggested as the best for the job. Any suggestions of good sources? Rebecca Burch --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: What Faire are you making the costume for? Is your son going to be on cast? I know for a fact that Margo's patterns are used by cast members at many Faires across the country - I have used them for myself and my husband at Bristol and recommend them to the members of my Guilde, of which I am the costume liaison. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 21:41:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2fk8Y026232 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:41:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2fcSj001908; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E2fQHm023623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E2fQeu076415; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E2fMmC076383 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m43.in-tch.com [216.166.191.43]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0E2XEb12645 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007b01c618b4$f931acc0$2bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006701c618a4$5f776080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Aaaak! Embroidery issues Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:48:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C864E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, my first suggestion was going to be Threadexpress (www.threadexpress.com), since they certainly carry what you're looking for, but for some reason, the DMC Medicis wool (at least through them) is only available in the US. So if you needed to go through them, you'd have to get one of us from south of our shared border to order it, and then mail it to you. My next thought was HedgehogHandworks, but they don't sell DMC Medicis. My third idea was these guys: http://www.lacemakerusa.com/ They sell DMC Medicis, but that part of their website isn't fully functional. I've bought lace-making supplies and embroidery threads through them before, and found them very helpful, so maybe you could contact them directly, and ask what colors they have? There's an email address and a 1-800 number on the "home" page of their website.... Hope this helps! --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] Aaaak! Embroidery issues > I am *finally* finishing my version of an early period Irish short coat for > my Husband, and I find I am nearly out of one particular colour of DMC > Medicis wool. I go to check the website of the shop I usually buy from (I > cannot get any locally) only to find that since I last ordered from them > they no longer carry it. Grrr! (This is the second time this has happened to > me with this particular line of wool, apparently I'm one of the very few > people that actually uses it.) > > What I am looking for is a Canadian shop that carries Medicis, that will do > mail-order/online. I'm in 'Northern' Ontario, but I'd consider anything > within reasonable shipping distance. US suppliers are fine as well, provided > they don't charge an arm and a leg for shipping. :-) > > Thanks folks for any help! > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 22:12:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E3CdwH026736 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:12:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E3CSES026643; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:12:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E3BBI4026611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E3B8IS092312; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E3B3qg092198 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip31-10.charter.net ([10.20.203.71]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060114031056.NXXV4943.mtai03.charter.net@mxip31-10.charter.net> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:10:56 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip31-10.charter.net with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2006 22:09:19 -0500 Message-Id: <4ik1e3$5potfs@mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net> X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:09:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20060114023842.95448.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYYs71Ar8chDkrxRaOXCX2iF52UlwAA0Nlw X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:12:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C86C1C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Aarrgh - I remember the leek, but the face that goes with it is escaping me at the moment. I'm sure when I see him, it'll be an "a-ha" moment :-) There are lots of places online - some bookmarks I have that are likely to have wool crepe www.trimfabric.com www.fabric.com www.denverfabrics.com www.voguefabricsstore.com Hancock Fabrics also carries a decent selection of wool, and is probably putting some of it on sale now to make way for spring/summer fabrics. Hope this all helps! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:39 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > How interesting! My son, Ansel, will be on cast as Capt. > Martin Frobisher at Bristol. You may have met him last > summer when he was a Yeoman of the Guard. He was the one > wearing a leek in his hat. I just spoke with Kate, the > costume liason for St. George, and she said that these would > be fine. So now I am in search of wool crepe, which she > suggested as the best for the job. Any suggestions of good sources? > > Rebecca Burch > > --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > What Faire are you making the costume for? Is your son going > to be on cast? I know for a fact that Margo's patterns are > used by cast members at many Faires across the country - I > have used them for myself and my husband at Bristol and > recommend them to the members of my Guilde, of which I am the > costume liaison. > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 00:52:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E5qbI2029314 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:52:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E5qRv2032063; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E5pXBH043113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E5pTQa081022; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E5pQjN080949 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with SMTP id B757FA5403A for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (sclsnet-pri-227-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.108.227]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8916DA5403A for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:48:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:51:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYYzos6tgo3fzndQqa+btqXL1L1pQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20060114064847.8916DA5403A@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Avant-garde gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:52:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8919C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Is there someone who has Patterns of History's avant-garde gown who could give me the yardage requirements for size 10 (or something close)? I just ordered the pattern but I'm afraid the fabric I want will be gone if I wait for the pattern to show up. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0E5rw0b082129 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:54:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C89213.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On my son's school site, someone was offering a serger. Yamato Industrial 5 thread overlock serger. Asking $350.00. I'm not sure if it's still available. if you are interested, contact me directly at sharon@collierfam.com Sharon Collier -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of angelalazear Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:54 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics Listies, Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old topic threads? (I need the url as well) I am finally in the research phase of purchasing a serger, and I believe that was a recent topic here. Any other resource for info on sergers would be appreciated. I've been to many sewing machine sites, but they are really short on the info I'm looking for. I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot of fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) Ease of threading Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) thanks! +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 01:02:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62Lm2029475 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62CTs003666; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E61mak044243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E61mOY086245; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E61itg086206 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ExeTv-0004FO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:01:43 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060113234105.038722f0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:48:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> References: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C893E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Angela, Here's what I posted last May when the topic came up: I have a White serger and really like it, but it's at least 15 yrs old. I don't know if the new ones are as good or not. It's not fancy (doesn't do rolled hems easily, manual threading, etc.) but it's gotten me (and hubby) thru miles of velvet, lame', satins, and all kinds of weird fabrics. At the time, it was one of the heaviest sergers made, which means it doesn't dance all over the table when you run it at full speed. In all this time, it's only needed routine cleanings and tune-ups - no major repairs. HTH Sandy - see interleaved lines for specific comments. At 01:02 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:53:42 -0800 >From: "angelalazear" >Subject: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics > I am finally in the research phase of purchasing a serger, and I > believe that was a recent topic here. Any other resource for info > on sergers would be appreciated. I've been to many sewing machine > sites, but they are really short on the info I'm looking for. >Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) footprint is about 1 sq. foot >Ease of threading I don't think it's hard, but hubby has trouble. Usually I just tie new threads to the current looper threads and pull them thru, then thread the needles separately - they're no more difficult than a regular machine. >Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) See above. >Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) Don't know what they go for now - also don't know if the current models are as good. >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 01:02:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62ujD029482 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62f5F004386; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E622QZ044289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E620Ie086364; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E61t1U086314 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2C74B6E0074; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:57:27 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:01:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c618d0$05ddbd40$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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A few years ago, we saw the "Mulan" parade, which had actors in very tall motorized "mini floats" (for lack of a better term). The costumes were gorgeous and about 10-12 feet tall. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:37 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger >>> sharon@collierfam.com 01/13/06 1:44 AM >>> >It seems that the person who played "Mother M" in that picture is a >guy. That would really help, because they really are larger and >stronger >(usually) and so can drag a heavy contraption more easily. Yes, I know--and more often than not Mother Ginger *is* a guy--just for the comedy factor. We had wanted to use a guy-- we were trying to get a local celebrity, like a DJ--but the Artistic Director nixed that idea, too. (Can you tell we had many artistic differances?) So it ended up being Clara's mother, Mrs. Stahlbaum, who had no more to do after Act I was over (and who, by the way, just happens to be my daughter. This production was the 20th anniversary of the first time the company did Nutcracker. Twenty years ago, Gretchen was Clara--now she came back to play her own mother!) >Also, extra height on the part of the actor means extra head room underneath. Well, remember Gretchen was sitting on top of a 4-foot ladder--she was the eqivalent of about a 7' person anyway! We need whatever device they use to drive parade floats around! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000 174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 02:35:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E7ZRc5002214 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:35:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E7ZEJl007546; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:35:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E7YmwR054265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E7YfEc034421; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E7YXvc034250 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A1C181E0 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:34:26 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb35.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.10bd2c for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:34:26 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DyKmCOIkruwIAAAAB,de4a5635c4026d723963ea2240d6dcb0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060113233426.5141FDAD@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:35:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8A9B2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I know this is a bit behind the fact, but the thought ocurred to me that it may worth Nigel posting the list ( and the event that caused the list ) to *ALL* of the ebay community boards, even if they don't seem to have anything to do with re-enactment. That way there will be a LOT more people keeping an eye out ( hopefully ). Deb, would you please forward my sincere condolences to Nigel and his lady. Joannah. --- Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:39:40 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit Apologies for going completely o-t, but I hope nobody (especially those involved) will mind me posting this here - am trying to spread the word as far as possible as quickly as possible. A garage used as a store by some members of Conquest has been raided, with some kit being stolen and the rest torched (burnt to ashes, for those not familiar with English slang). As I understand it, of the stuff in the garage, one tunic survived. Everything else is gone. This is thousands and thousands of pounds worth of kit which took decades to assemble. A full list of the stolen kit can be seen here http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1651 Please keep an eye out for any of the kit that will presumably at some point be for sale. Thanks Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 03:01:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E81ITU005843 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:01:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E819lK017523; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E80sdb057200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E80pwH051017; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0E80kaI050871 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 50796 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2006 08:00:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tfZG+fAkkWsx/pa2vmbw3Yk9HVKC7OIolAKwpJWiHngZEPM/JWjeSP1FnX3ud9YYctwl2T3zO3IMw4mapUTHFk9dtyZY9by46aHDXxcGvclypqvJvLe/YK+dDZEDOzIiAHRgGizALNo28drvfcNngQf2EsyeUOB28NIxS9E0aA0= ; Message-ID: <20060114080040.50794.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:00:40 EST Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:00:40 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601140311.k0E3Bkfw092675@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear & Menses (was: medieval quote on X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:01:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8AFC5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This.. is kinda why I was leaning to the marriage night theory. I recall at some point in history that women were often confined to their chambers if not bed during their periods. And seeing maternity fashions in Renaissance Venice- or lack thereof, I can see that they did not tend to put a great deal of effort into private clothing that was meant to take a serious beating. Another thought that came to mind and it's one that we rely upon when thinking about whether or not to use underwear today- Would it be generally agreed that based on available portraiture from England and Venice (using two that we are familiar with for now) that Venetian women were more ruebenesque than English women? Perhaps it's a matter of friction, just like today. I remember those long lost days of thin-hood, and wearing itty bitty undies under a skirt was normal. Now, I'm hauling out knickers to my knees so that I am not dreadfully uncomfortable. Given the relative warm humidity of Venice versus the cooler dampness of England, a heavier woman would be wanting something to ease the friction under all those layers. Heck, I do now, and I live in Canada! Kathy > In any case, since this was raised in the context of > discussing > underwear, it is worth explicitly reminding > ourselves that while > currently in the US and similar cultures we often > deal with > menstruation by attaching something to underwear, > this solution is in > fact extremely modern. > That is, sanitary protection tells us nothing about > underwear, and > underwear tells us nothing about sanitary > protection It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0E91xrO017426 Don't forget too that most castles in Britain at least would have had plaster on the walls and tapestry or other woollen hangings to help with the heat insulation. Rooms deviod of furniture and people also feel much colder and damper. I am sure I was once told that each human body generates as much heat as a 150 watt bulb - not very much on your own but castles were populated by more than you're average nuclear family. On 13/01/06, Jean Waddie wrote: > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote > >> I have spent the weekend at an event > >> in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. > > > >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France > >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys > >had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world > >of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > > > I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires > going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it > probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls > are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - > one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! > > Jean > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 07:42:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ECgKBF032079 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:42:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ECg9rd030008; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ECfboB081002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ECfS8Q086599; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ECfO7k086564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0ECW2fN026241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:32:02 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:32:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C8F172.8080300@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:41:22 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Underwear & Menses References: <20060114080040.50794.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060114080040.50794.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:42:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8F1A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathy Page wrote: > that Venetian women were > more ruebenesque than English women? Perhaps it's a > matter of friction, just like today. I remember those > long lost days of thin-hood, and wearing itty bitty > undies under a skirt was normal. Now, I'm hauling out > knickers to my knees so that I am not dreadfully > uncomfortable. I have a friend whose mother does not wear underwear, and is rubenesque. My friend tells me that although her mom's thighs rub, since it's the way she's always done things, the skin has toughened up a bit, and she does not get chafing, even in hot weather. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:11:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8F86F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've not been reading regularly for awhile. Has there been any news about Medieval Clothing and Textiles II. I thought that it was should be out by now, but it isn't. Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 09:06:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EE6wDX003967 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:06:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EE6ouc003234; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EE6Aeg088619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EE67AT026695; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EE63Y2026651 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBAE403D6 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb31.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.10d5e5 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DyQVKvARhsAIAAAAB,e3a330ad828d63bd67c465f322c0238f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060114060602.5141D453@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:06:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9057A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! <--- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EESLGW004725 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:28:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EESDAS012893; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:28:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EERm20090859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EERkgm037854; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EERhvp037812 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02741 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:56:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:56:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:28:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C90A7D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Onaree Berard wrote: > Has there been any news about Medieval Clothing and Textiles II. I > thought that it was should be out by now, but it isn't. Hi, Onaree. MC&T is an annual journal; it's scheduled to come out every spring, in time for the Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo early in May. Volume 2 is on track to be released in April, three months from now. (The publisher has a date of April 1 on our webpage; they're British, so they probably don't know why an American would find that amusing!) We're done with the text proofs, and I saw the first proof of the book jacket this week. Contents for Vol. 2 are visible here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Amazon has a better price; I suspect that most people who buy from the publisher are libraries and scholars with discounts. (There's a sizable discount offered to people who go to Kalamazoo.) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1843832038 Feel free to contact me directly if you have any further questions. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 09:54:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EEsOEP005622 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:54:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EEsGDr024768; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EErlrt094641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EErjuA054103; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EErfVo054072 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.153.108] (dialup-4.249.153.108.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.153.108]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EErbRm002557 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:53:38 -0800 Message-ID: <43C91080.8020402@theoldforest.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:53:52 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> In-Reply-To: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:54:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C91098.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! angelalazear wrote: > Listies, > > Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old > topic threads? (I need the url as well) I am finally in the research > phase of purchasing a serger, and I believe that was a recent topic > here. Any other resource for info on sergers would be appreciated. > I've been to many sewing machine sites, but they are really short on the > info I'm looking for. > I've only had my white (I think it's a white 2000) for a year and a half, but it works pretty well - once I got used to the vagaries of serging. I"m told that White, since it's a division of Viking, the motor is made by Jaguar. Consumer reports has it as a Best Buy. I bought mine through allbrands.com - they have it for $269 -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 10:08:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EF85f4005854 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:08:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EF7rVC030493; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:07:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EF6oIc096148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EF6gWR061260; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EF6d9j061170 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:33 -0800 Message-ID: <43C91382.3000601@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:42 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 15:06:33.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B7D8F30:01C6191C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:07:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C913C9.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes, and I will look for a picture I have seen where there are women pulling up their skirst to warm their feet/legs at a fire in a room. It is almost a "cut away" picture as if to show the scene of the village, but what is going on inside the buildings as well. I think I said this recently on the list (and have been away so, forgive if this was part of this conversation and I have forgotten.) if you go to Moryson, where he is talking about clothing in on the continent in several places he says that women do wear breeches under their gowns. Of course this is later than you speak of (1598~1604), but...... "This cold is the cause, why their sheepe and cattell are kept in stables, to bring forth their young. And howsoeuer the same be done in Italy, subiect to great heate, yet it is not of necessitie, as here, but out of the too great tendernesse of the Italians, towards the few cattle they haue And this is the cause, that how soeuer they vse not hot stoaues, as the Germans doe, yet the Weomen, as well at home, as in the Churches, to driue away cold, put vnder them little pannes of fier, couered with boxes of wood, boared full of holes in the top. And this sordid remedy they carry with them, by the high way in waggons, which the Danes or Mosconites vse not, though oppressed with greater cold: onely some of the more noble Weomen, disliking this remedy, choose rather to weare breeches, to defend them from the cold." (Netherands)...... Some of the chiefe Women not able to abide the extreme cold, and loth to put fier vnder them for heate (as the common vse is) because it causeth wrinckles and spots on their bodies, doe vse to weare breeches of linnen or silke. (Germany)....... The City Virgins, and especially Gentlewomen, couer their heads, face, and backes with a Vaile, that they may not be seene passing the streetes, and in many places weare silke or linnen breeches vnder their gownes. (Italy)" Sg >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys >had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world >of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 10:53:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EFr5s1007440 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:53:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EFquqV017851; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:52:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EFp9WZ001086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EFp5h9084982; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EFp1mC084954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EFnx3J031428 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:50:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:49:23 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:52:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C91E58.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Mia, Ok, since you mention Cowpens, I'm guessing you're doing Rev War? >Hey Carol K, e-friend and sock guru, thanks for all the info on >machine/frame knit sock (what is the correct term, or are all the >terms correct, but for different techniques?) Framework knitting, stocking looms, stocking frames - there are a number of terms. The confusion comes in because peg frame enthusiasts also call them knitting frames. Sigh, terminology... > The spousal unit (Corporal Dappert) bought a pair or the machine >knit Civil war socks. in coton. they look good (to me, but I only >know enought to be dangerous), they are in natural color cotton, >and have no elastic. and very little give. They are supremely hard >to get on and off.. I'll have to dig them out and look at the heel >to see what kind of heel was put in. Are you talking about antique 19th century stockings or repros that are made for Civil War reenactors? Besides the ever-popular cotton/nylon stockings we have for reenactment, I've also found a thinner cotton stocking through an Amish source. Sorry, it was 15 years ago and I don't remember the source exactly! > real period socks and stocking can be a challenge for those of us >in the reecacting world.....Which is why I went to not-so-authentic, >but faster to produce cut from whole cloth stockings. The have that >clock, which is missing from so many commerically availble socks. I think you mean they have that gusset or gore. Clocking or chevening is the decoration on the stocking, either knit in or embroidered or both. And cut & sewn from woven cloth is authentic. But by the Rev War era they seem to be a coarse option, and are you portraying a coarse person? (Some do the army & camp life, some do gentry and manor life.) >I'm still experimenting with different fabrics for the stiffness >factor. I have a piece of wool jersey that has been washed and >fulled up nicely, AND is a bit stiffer. Do you know what the >frequency is of stockings done in wool, but not knitted (Just >general is good...) Wouldn't that be nice - a statistic for each decade on cut & sewn from woven cloth, hand knit at home, hand knit and purchased, frame knit, silk, wool, cotton, thread.... People like to speculate on this, and I think it was the 18cWoman list where Paul Dickfoss mentioned whether frame knit or hand knit was used more. Certainly hand knit was seen in the actual 18th Century more than we see it among reenactors. :-) What it comes down to, is what seems the most likely for the role you are playing in reenactment? The thread was started by Bjarne looking for "gentleman's" stockings (although I still don't know what decade and what purpose). As a campfollower (I'm assuming again!) who were you before the army? (I'm sure you've gone through that already...) Until I get a stocking frame up & running, the only absolute authentic stockings for Rev War reenactment are hand knit and cut & sewn from woven cloth. But there are plenty of compromises out there, and the plain cotton/nylon are good in the sense that they do not draw attention to themselves. And Colleen Humphries often advocates the theatrical solution of black shoes and black stockings, which "disappear" and compromises are not obvious. There are some clocked stockings out there sold by suppliers, which are attention-getting and I have not yet seen a pair done correctly. (And those are machine embroidered on a typical cotton/nylon stocking, no gusset.) Remember that clocking is done on BOTH SIDES of period stockings. Many of those offered for sale are clocked on only one side. Also the motifs are sometimes placed in the wrong place on the ankle, or out of proportion to the original. And they are patterned after originals that are from the first half of the century and would have been out of style by the Rev War. Ok, with all that info have I managed to completely avoid your exact question? Also for everyone interested in stockings I recommend the Historicknit list, a Yahoo group, where we discuss knitting of all time periods. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 11:05:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EG52FY007628 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:05:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EG4sBF023060; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:04:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EG2mhB003321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EG2ktR091754; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EG2hdS091678 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:02:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.61.135 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:02:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.61.135] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com><16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:02:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:02:30 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 16:02:39.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1DA1970:01C61923] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:04:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C92127.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0EG52FY007628 Yes, and I will look for a picture I have seen where there are women pulling up their skirst to warm their feet/legs at a fire in a room. It is almost a "cut away" picture as if to show the scene of the village, but what is going on inside the buildings as well. One of the winter calendar pages of the Tres Riches Heures shows women and men doing this and none of them are wearing any underwear. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 11:50:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EGofVl009241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:50:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EGoX6e012692; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:50:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EGnLvf010003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EGnBLg021428; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EFpjV7085288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EFoqCt006825 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:50:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060112115357.0355b0c8@mail.frys.com> References: <200601120644.k0C6iaF6056139@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20060112115357.0355b0c8@mail.frys.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:51:36 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:50:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C92BD9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Carolyn said >I'm not much of a knitter, but I have a book called "Folk Socks", >which has every kind of heel I ever say, and several I never did >before, all with knitting instructions for them. (I haven't been >following this thread, so I don't know if this book has been >mentioned.) It also has many kinds of toe, also with instructions. What I love about this book (author - Nancy Bush) is that heels and toes are very nicely described and illustrated. She does not say when the different heels and toes are used, but the definitions are very nice. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:12:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCeQL009789 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCUsd022275; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHBwBX011993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBtCe033493; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBoD4033413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-124.patriot.net [209.249.180.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EHAaql012241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:10:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:56:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C930FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kelly, >I never said they were the most common, I said they were the best >available option; documented period technique using period >appropriate fibers. Ok, that's different, then. >What dating criteria have you been using in your examinations? As >you previously stated this was not a period technique, perhaps you >misinterpreted what you were examining. The book I started with is _Socks & Stocking_ by Jeremy Farrell. It's out of print, but available through book searches. Also the Chapman books, which are a history of the technology, patents, etc, and then anything else I can get my hands on. I've looked at stockings in many collections in the US (east coast) and England, taking in the dates they assign to the objects and sometimes leaving notes suggesting a different date. It's fun to see the results of the technology in an antique stocking. As far as a cut and sewn stocking, they would need to have a seam allowance because otherwise the stocking would come apart very quickly. What I see are stockings knit to shape, where there is a seam with about one or two knit stitches on the inside. And I have seen the seam allowances on the stockings made from fancy knit fabrics, so I can see the difference. Back to period techniques - Farrell cites the circular knitter, improved in 1840. "Although admired for its speed, it could only make a tube which had to be cut and sewn into stockings. By 1845 the hosiery industry was just beginning to crawl out of a recession and 'cut ups' were seen as an unacceptable cheapening of the product." That's where I got the impression that it was not being done commonly, and additionally there was a lot of improvement of machinery that could shape the stockings as they were knit. Farrell cites an improvement patented in 1838 of a wide frame where stitches were shifted automatically, so shaping did not have to be a hand operation as it was in the 18th and early 19thC. >Also, we are all aware that the items in museums tend to be >representative of those fine, expensive items of the upper classes >as opposed to the common everyday items of the middle or lower >classes, which were usually used and reused until nothing was left. But there are plainer items in some museums. Especially in the case of industry, samples are kept to illustrate what was being made, and the technological improvements can be seen. The Nottingham costume museum has many stockings of this sort. >The employments of women also states that one single factory was >employing 700 women to sew stockings, unfortunately it does not >state how many per day they could complete, but that's a very large >workforce for the time period - there most have been a demand for >the product. Absolutely! Stockings were knit flat and shaped with the increases/decreases in the sides of the piece, which became the back seam. The seaming could also be outsourced, as well as the embroidery. Even the circular knit stockings needed to have the soles sewn together and the toes sewn up, until the introduction of the short-row heel. Sewn toes are still a part of hosiery manufacture, which I just checked on the socks I'm wearing today. And while the circular knits might not be desirable for ladies, they were worn by children. Stockings did not need to be cut in order to be sewn - the machine wrought hose had sewing as part of the finishing process. Not only that, seamed nylons were in common use through the middle of the 20th century. >The Aiken's machine was hand-cranked and focused towards home manufacture. > >Steam power was used in the factories. There were issues with >converting machinery originally intended for hand power to steam >power. The steam power was so powerful (if not properly regulated) >that the older equipment frequently did not function optimally - it >simply couldn't keep up. I suspect in knitted goods, it led to >imperfect knitting, obviously especially along the selvedges Ok, I know that type of machine - I saw the factory in Massachusetts. The machines I primarily research are the hand frames, which are body-powered - hands and feet. There are some still around, and the last one ceased producing in a factory in 1985 when the operator retired. (Not a typo - this was a mere 21 years ago!) However you do have power machinery being developed in the 2nd quarter 19th century that did produce good quality knitting. Another interesting thing I realized at the knitting factory in Nottingham - the hand frames could work faster than the modern electric powered machines. The difference is that each hand frame needs the full attention of an operator, whereas the roomful of a dozen modern machines took four mechanics to keep them running. The difference today is that human labor is a more expensive part of the equation than it was in earlier centuries. >I believe Mickey Childs (not sure I'm remembering the name >correctly) was making men's socks and there was some controversy on >the heel construction. I'm not aware of anyone ever making correct >machine knit ladies stockings. That name sounds familiar. I only heard he was making Civil War era, not any details beyond that. Was he making circular knits, or a flat knit with a seam? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:12:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCkbi009803 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCcA0022936; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHBq7G011967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBoW9033411; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBlFw033366 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:11:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.6] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601141309.k0ED9Xpf098925@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:11:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 17:11:46.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[99285DA0:01C6192D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Underwear & Menses (was: medieval quote on X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C93106.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! From: Kathy Page >...I recall at some point in history that women were often confined to >their chambers if not bed >during their periods... Something to keep in mind when dealing with topics like this -- another difference from today is that the vast majority of the population before, oh, 1900 was rural, not upper class, and most people worked regularly. I'm not sure that "women", as a whole, could often be confined for several days of the month. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:15:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHFA3g009834 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:15:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHF2rE023302; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHEWxm012468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHEVnZ035015; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:14:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHC1tl033569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-124.patriot.net [209.249.180.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EHAaqn012241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:11:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601131926.OAA01098@courageux.concentric.com> References: <200601131926.OAA01098@courageux.concentric.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:10:09 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:15:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C93196.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >OK. I can make knit yardgoods (5 knitting machines). What would >the stitches per inch be? Is there a decent pattern anywhere? Hi Julie, Kannik's Korner has a pattern for cut & sewn stockings. What era are you aiming for? How fine can your machines knit? I suspect they are the home type of flatbed machine. I have one that's supposed to be fine gauge, but I have not yet gotten close to the machine-wrought gauge of the 18th century. (18-20 stitches per inch). Maybe if I started with wool and fulled it down, that might help. The modern latch-hook machines produce a stretchier fabric than the bearded needle machines of the 18thC. I tried cranking the tension up to the tightest, and it's still too stretchy. The thing is, knit yardgoods at fine gauges are already available at fabric stores. They are stretchier than antique stockings, but they are out there. If you can get a non-stretchy 18 stitches per inch, you could make stocking pieces to shape. Knit a few rows, then hook the starter edge back onto the hooks to form the welt. Knit some more, then move the outer 2 or 3 stitches one hook to the inside to decrease, knit a few rows and decrease, and etc. It may take a bit of experimenting, and if you're near me I can help and show you original stockings. If anyone is interested in seeing my collection, or a slide lecture, let me know. I'm in the Washington, DC area, but it all packs up nicely for travel. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:53:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHrNM0011312 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHrFXv007256; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHlVop015434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:47:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHlTje052050; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHlQQC051992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:12646 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ExpUs-000886-Uz for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:47:27 -0600 Message-ID: <047101c61932$93014130$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:47:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:53:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C93A8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm familiar with the fashionfabricsclub lightweight taffeta, and it's definitely too lightweight for an outer layer. I got a bunch from the outlet store to use for lining & facing, but this stuff is more like rustly habotai; I can't give you ounces, but I'd guess it's 12mm at the most. I expect I'd be very happy with the 4 oz stuff, as I found the 2.25 perfectly useable for the outer layer of a lined gown; it'd be great to have the option of the 5.3 oz stuff as well. Does your supplier have any shot/iridescent/changeable/crossdye/whatever she calls it taffeta? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 13:22:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EIM6vN012314 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EILwMa019486; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EILMZ2019064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EILG0E070888; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0EIL9gV070802 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26784 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2006 19:17:50 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:17:50 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:23:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1095.67.188.164.116.1137263007.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <047101c61932$93014130$cb00a8c0@compaqub> References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <047101c61932$93014130$cb00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:23:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C94146.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'm familiar with the fashionfabricsclub lightweight taffeta, and it's > definitely too lightweight for an outer layer. I got a bunch from the > outlet store to use for lining & facing, but this stuff is more like > rustly > habotai; I can't give you ounces, but I'd guess it's 12mm at the most. > > I expect I'd be very happy with the 4 oz stuff, as I found the 2.25 > perfectly useable for the outer layer of a lined gown; it'd be great to > have > the option of the 5.3 oz stuff as well. Does your supplier have any > shot/iridescent/changeable/crossdye/whatever she calls it taffeta? I will ask her, but I would think so. Someone else asked me about this as well. I know she has stripes so I am excited about that. I will let everyone know! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 14:44:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EJi4ST015315 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:44:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EJhuwq023126; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:43:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EJg0EC027099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EJfsrc017383; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EJfopF017325 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5563.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.99]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AB437262877 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:41:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:41:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] happy danse X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:43:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9547C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Arh gosh, got an email this evening, Alexia has received my dress. She tells me her stays fits like a glove, and gives a wonderfull shape, and the dress fits perfectly. I am the most happy of people today.......... It was quiet hassardes to make a dress without any fittings at all, but it was impossible because of the distance from New York to Copenhagen. I need to finnish her chemise tomorrow and send so that the outfit is total, she promised to send pictures of her wearing it................ TAda tada............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 15:02:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EK2JKA015742 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:02:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EK2Bq2031744; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:02:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EK08IE028629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EK06KO027066; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EK01b1027015 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IT300FQ1M808G@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:00:01 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-146-17.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.146.17]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C0A3E48FC for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:00:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:00:19 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43C95853.8030404@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C958C3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 15:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKFd5O016450 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:15:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKFVdD004956; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EKFAEe030163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EKF87v035593; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0EKF44o035543 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42286 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2006 20:15:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gkAWY+uyym1Ss9a/uPXuXINuRhkCNcwaPLqC1KYZGq51jrXsR0CnT3Aky7AN9H9Sm9ehjeLKKS6ml/U9EVPJx5qm53BMa2PY/xPeeTFdU8ek18tZBVB16Q3f8I6swueESIZnQC+CH0+3ioI6qvKq8iQUNSC0d92ZzE1XtfK6KUU= ; Message-ID: <20060114201502.42284.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:15:02 GMT Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:15:02 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:15:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C95BE3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Joannah - thanks for this reply. I never did see my original post so it must have been in a digest that skipped me. I don't know if anyone else replied so many apologies if it seems I've ignored any of your suggestions! :-) What I've actually done is recut the panel with the strap added on, so it is now on the bias and is joined on to the back panel above the eyelets and lacing. That will, I hope, make it work and it gives a more flattering line as it sits around the top edge of her shoulders - less 'boulder holder', more 'graceful decolletage'! It is a very basic 5 panel mid-Victorian style with gold busk (loops and studs) and made of black coutil covered in a fancy chinese brocade. Very popular for evening wear but the cost (for drafting and draping a toile as well as construction) means I've only sold a few so far, and none with straps. I might put a photo up on my website once it's finished so will repost a link if you like. Thanks for the helpful thoughts, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 15:33:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKXx56017310 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKXn4m012063; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EKWRc8031966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EKWPsD046008; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-14.wideopenwest.com (pop-14.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EKWMwv045951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-14.wideopenwest.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0EKU34L002285 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:30:06 -0600 Message-ID: <43C96014.50806@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:24 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy danse References: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9602D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, I can't wait to see her pictures. It was stunning enough on the dress form, it should be glorious worn on an actual person. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 17:06:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EM6PZd020588 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:06:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EM6Haq018778; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EM4ddE040346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EM4VKY098118; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f34.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EM4RTC098037 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:04:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:04:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.37] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601141821.k0EILIl2070906@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:04:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 22:04:23.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A6C0820:01C61956] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C975D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From: WickedFrau >...The City Virgins, and especially Gentlewomen, couer their heads, face, >and backes with a Vaile, that they may not be seene passing the >streetes, and in many >places weare silke or linnen breeches vnder their gownes. (Italy)" Now, now, all of thes quotes would seem to imply that maybe in different places and at different times people did things differently from each other - we know this can't be the case since everyone in history was upper class and did things exactly the same way... (Sorry, I'm trying to get a chapter finished and it's given me a headache) Ok, maybe we could look at this a different way. Turn it around. Instead of trying to figure out where and when women were wearing breeches of some sort -- why are we assuming they weren't? And why are we assuming it was commonly done? Is this one of those things we've just assumed because our view of the past is filtered *through* a period when it may have been this way (which seems to happen a lot)? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 18:39:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdRMl023870 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdJtR027458; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ENchpw050778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENchmg052529; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENcfmC052512 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so872772wri for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o1g+txCKEpl9UJmmyhbegywkAQzjuPDIQa9O0+97iofckPh9mm4aFXNOa5r0rEPJY5vms753SVOcBgvgeDiEmfY6mp2UewYiGx3s6XPjegmdr3973B2y2F/7ilyFED4S7+a1dS8yHZ+APJARoltJAgBLVcanU5VPhKJ7aDhNmUU= Received: by 10.54.143.1 with SMTP id q1mr2318197wrd; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.140.1 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:38 -0800 From: Onaree Berard To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ENcfmC052512 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C98BA7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks! For some silly reason I thought that I comes out in January. Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 18:39:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdUAX023871 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdMvv022910; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ENcTjM050755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENcLtB052342; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENcIpN052297 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF428F1B2 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:38:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C98B8C.20305@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:38:52 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection References: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> <43C636AD.4040608@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43C636AD.4040608@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C98BAA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I know this is last week's topic but.... I've just discovered calendars.com. If you haven't selected one for 2006 yet, have a look. They offer several nice historical themed calendars, including one on the unicorn tapestries (I think I'm getting that one) plus one of a book of hours, another with various selections of renaissance art, Michaelangelo, various 19th century romantic artists.... They also have a historical section with maps, castles, and gosh, just too many neat things to mention! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:22:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0MNWp025094 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:22:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0MFob008218; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0Llbc055284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0LjK5076241; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0Lfel076170 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:21:36 -0800 Message-ID: <43C9959A.6080507@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pride and prejudice (late) References: <002401c61896$d86693c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002401c61896$d86693c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:21:36.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[A57A6440:01C61969] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:22:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C995B7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Unitil I read your review I really had no interest in this movie...I will wait till it is on DVD...but thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:26:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Qex1025202 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:26:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0QWVo010015; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0Ps7k055990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0PrJ2078688; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0Po2E078576 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:25:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43C99693.5030507@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:55 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy danse References: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:25:45.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A0B6190:01C6196A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:26:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C996B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Pictures...We want Pictures!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:31:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Vp5Y025704 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Vh0a012377; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0VRct056939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0VQnM082118; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0VMjo082055 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:31:16 -0800 Message-ID: <43C997DF.3020904@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Avant-garde gown References: <20060114064847.8916DA5403A@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> In-Reply-To: <20060114064847.8916DA5403A@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:31:16.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF73E150:01C6196A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:31:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C997EF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Why don't you contact the company? I am sure they would help you. Sg Beth Chamberlain wrote: >Is there someone who has Patterns of History's avant-garde gown who could >give me the yardage requirements for size 10 (or something close)? I just >ordered the pattern but I'm afraid the fabric I want will be gone if I wait >for the pattern to show up. > > > >Thanks > >Beth > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:33:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0XtuH025871 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:33:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Xl4b004516; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:33:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0XUjY057094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0XU9K083168; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53215.mail.yahoo.com (web53215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0F0XS9d083117 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45704 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2006 00:33:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eYGD5zisz7INX4eaMI6nbmYl6GLaeQkMvHi8su/YQMgudcYMReN+2UF//6kfE6kzWldml+XH1GGR9OMNBIOX4tKF2hAh5uhIJqZ8xBmHDF9maTFY4tmAj4phMBY28EEJOLy9sIeMRk83GUIuikbBev+GaOsMz4KiavBgjJQZ+IE= ; Message-ID: <20060115003322.45702.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.65.155] by web53215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:33:22 PST Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:33:22 -0800 (PST) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? 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I think I understand the confusion... I preordered from Amazon and their estimated delivery date was 1/6-1/9/06, which is impossible from what you've said! So we'll just wait patiently..... Thanks! Kathy Robin Netherton wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Onaree Berard wrote: > Has there been any news about Medieval Clothing and Textiles II. I > thought that it was should be out by now, but it isn't. Hi, Onaree. MC&T is an annual journal; it's scheduled to come out every spring, in time for the Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo early in May. Volume 2 is on track to be released in April, three months from now. (The publisher has a date of April 1 on our webpage; they're British, so they probably don't know why an American would find that amusing!) We're done with the text proofs, and I saw the first proof of the book jacket this week. Contents for Vol. 2 are visible here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Amazon has a better price; I suspect that most people who buy from the publisher are libraries and scholars with discounts. (There's a sizable discount offered to people who go to Kalamazoo.) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1843832038 Feel free to contact me directly if you have any further questions. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:40:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0eSF6025990 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0eKKK015812; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0dqeZ057727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0dj0M086601; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0dgPK086525 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <43C999D3.40109@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:47 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? References: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:39:37.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[29CC6020:01C6196C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C999F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a Vogue book which shows it well. Let me know if you would like me to scan and send it to you... Sg roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >I've seen this stitch mentioned several times in directions for sewing, but can't seem to find a good example of it. The stitch is a "blind stitch". Does anyone have a good instructional example of it? I'll want to teach myself it then teach my students. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:46:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0kJEW026081 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:46:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0kB5j018395; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0jjVY058524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0jhF8090167; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0jde3090078 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter04.comcast.net ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006011500453301300d7jnue>; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:45:33 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter04.comcast.net; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:45:31 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:45:31 +0000 Message-Id: <011520060045.1341.43C99B2B000ACB5D0000053D22007503309C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:46:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C99B53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That would be great, Sg. Thanks! Rose -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > > I have a Vogue book which shows it well. Let me know if you would like > me to scan and send it to you... > > Sg > > roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > > >I've seen this stitch mentioned several times in directions for sewing, but > can't seem to find a good example of it. The stitch is a "blind stitch". Does > anyone have a good instructional example of it? I'll want to teach myself it > then teach my students. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0lYVt026110 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:47:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0lR6Y006760; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:47:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0l8G8058887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0l7fP091088; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0l4vZ091002 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: <43C99B8C.2070804@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:08 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:46:58.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[30DA4B60:01C6196D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk knit fabric: was: knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:47:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C99B9F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thai Silks sells it. I bought some several years ago to make a mini sock for a fashion doll. They sell it in two weights: 034A Silk Knit, 155 Gram, 42" 034B Silk Knit, 220 Gram, 49" http://www.thaisilks.com/ Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Kelly, > This was very generous of you to give your knolledge with this. May i > ask where did you buy your knitted material. > I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. > There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg i > could use. > Dont mind if it is cotton knit, it is better than my nylon ballet > danse tricot pans i use............. laughs............. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:58:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0wu5s026297 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0wmZE023586; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0wHCI060219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0wF9K097821; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0wDwL097757 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:58:07 -0800 Message-ID: <43C99E29.5070409@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:17 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:58:07.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF4142E0:01C6196E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C99E48.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I wasn't assuming anything...I was just providing a source that compared an English traveler writing about other countries. I am not trying to provide information to infer that it was more or less common either.... Sg Marc Carlson wrote: > > > Ok, maybe we could look at this a different way. Turn it around. > Instead of trying to figure out where and when women were wearing > breeches of some sort -- why are we assuming they weren't? And why > are we assuming it was commonly done? Is this one of those things > we've just assumed because our view of the past is filtered *through* > a period when it may have been this way (which seems to happen a lot)? > > Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 20:17:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F1HoG3027211 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:17:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F1Hggu031915; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:17:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F1HLst061847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F1HI73007080; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F1HFZQ007017 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:17:09 -0800 Message-ID: <43C9A29F.7050405@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? References: <011520060045.1341.43C99B2B000ACB5D0000053D22007503309C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <011520060045.1341.43C99B2B000ACB5D0000053D22007503309C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 01:17:09.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[683DB070:01C61971] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:17:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9A2B6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It is on its way! FYI, the Vogue sewing book can be picked up for nothin'. There are some new sewing books out with photographs which are fab though! Sg roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >That would be great, Sg. Thanks! > >Rose > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 21:14:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2E1LG030152 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:14:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2Drv7024199; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F2DGRi067773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2DBlA036262; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2D5CI036209 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1ExxOB3UQb-0000wB; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c61979$3a7410a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9AFE1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Roscelin, Coming in late... I've been out of town. I use this stitch on most of my hems. Its my favorite hand-stitch. Do you want to see it on a finished garment or do you need the directions? Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 21:41:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2fkX3031233 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:41:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2fcTv003604; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F2eqXR071022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2enYZ051094; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f21.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2ekYf051068 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:40:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:40:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.68] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601150117.k0F1HLNd007103@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:40:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 02:40:45.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[15D7ABE0:01C6197D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9B662.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From: WickedFrau >I wasn't assuming anything...I was just providing a source that compared >an English traveler writing about other countries. I am not trying to >provide information to infer that it was more or less common either.... > > > Ok, maybe we could look at this a different way. Turn it around. > > Instead of trying to figure out where and when women were wearing > > breeches of some sort -- why are we assuming they weren't? And why > > are we assuming it was commonly done? Is this one of those things > > we've just assumed because our view of the past is filtered *through* > > a period when it may have been this way (which seems to happen a lot)? I was speaking more to the thread in general, not your message in particular. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 08:06:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FD6Wk8000342 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:06:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FD6Oie018251; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:06:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FD3xPm038624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:03:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FD3sv2083814; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:03:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FD3pWV083778 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957D317E09 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb35.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.115aa1 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dykg2o0Z9wgIAAAAB,ed082ab0fa4aa8b0b1161987f79be89e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060115050350.514152E3@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:06:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CA48D0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- katherine sanders wrote: Dear Joannah - thanks for this reply. I never did see my original post so it must have been in a digest that skipped me. I don't know if anyone else replied so many apologies if it seems I've ignored any of your suggestions! :-) What I've actually done is recut the panel with the strap added on, so it is now on the bias and is joined on to the back panel above the eyelets and lacing. That will, I hope, make it work and it gives a more flattering line as it sits around the top edge of her shoulders - less 'boulder holder', more 'graceful decolletage'! It is a very basic 5 panel mid-Victorian style with gold busk (loops and studs) and made of black coutil covered in a fancy chinese brocade. Very popular for evening wear but the cost (for drafting and draping a toile as well as construction) means I've only sold a few so far, and none with straps. I might put a photo up on my website once it's finished so will repost a link if you like. Thanks for the helpful thoughts, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright Katherine, Heavens, no, personally I didn't think you were ignoring anyone - heck, most of the posts I have replied to recently have come about a week after the fact - that's about how far behind I am at the moment. This is the only other response that I didn't delete, fortuitously, ( there were two in total, I think? ), from Suzi Clarke, Mon 01/09/06 11:00 AM: From your description above, and your inital post, I'm assuming that the corset is being used as a bodice, and the straps are for your customer's peace of mind and reassurance, rather than being used as a period undergarment? ( Just interested, since as far as I know, victorian corsets didn't normally have straps. ) And, the thought just occurred to me, if was being used as a foundation under clothes, the clothes over the top would help to hold everything in place. :-) Anyway, your solution sounds workable, and I hope it does work to the satisfaction of you both. I'd love to see pictures! Regards, Joannah BTW, your signature tag makes me smile every time I see it. ;-> _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 09:32:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FEWaif002059 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:32:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FEWSEK031123; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:32:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FER2jI044585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FEQuhD024312; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FEQrjG024257 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:26:48 -0800 Message-ID: <43CA5BB3.8070108@msn.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:26:59 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 14:26:48.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7FF2170:01C619DF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:32:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CA5CFC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am late in on the conversation, but I didn't see anyone mentioning the duct-tape forms you can make. Depending on how big your commercial dummy is, you can even use it as most of the stuffing. I have even made these for clients, unstuffed and restuffed them years later for new garments. Just be sure you find good quality duct tape...otherwise it stretches! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 14:22:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FJMl60007850 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:22:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FJMdKt017148; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:22:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FJLaJp073165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FJLT2j099522; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FJLP11099481 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.181]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DAF7647FE6B for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:21:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c61a08$e5c76b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk knit fabric: was: knit stockings Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:21:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CAA0FF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Saragrace, Thousind thousind thanks for this, i really would like my stockings made of silk. I have always looked, but never found.......... Thanks, And yes you got to believe me, the new Pride and Prejudice is wonderfull. It dont have as many ball scenes as the bbc version, but it is the allover look that is so fabulously authentic in my eyes. The interriors at the Longborne reminds me so much of a place where the gustavians hold their spring parties, the wall decorations, and the old wooden pale painted things....... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] silk knit fabric: was: knit stockings > Thai Silks sells it. I bought some several years ago to make a mini sock > for a fashion doll. > > They sell it in two weights: > 034A > > Silk Knit, 155 Gram, 42" > > 034B > > Silk Knit, 220 Gram, 49" > > > > http://www.thaisilks.com/ > > Sg > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi Kelly, >> This was very generous of you to give your knolledge with this. May i ask >> where did you buy your knitted material. >> I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. >> There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg i could >> use. >> Dont mind if it is cotton knit, it is better than my nylon ballet danse >> tricot pans i use............. laughs............. >> >> Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 15:40:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FKeFxR009410 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:40:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FKe54w024890; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:40:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FKdGQv080981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:39:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FKdCRD044361; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:39:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FKcw8f044218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0168.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.168]:1459 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EyEeM-00084C-Jt for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: <43CAB2DA.5070600@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:38:50 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200601141821.k0EILIl1070906@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200601141821.k0EILIl1070906@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:40:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CAB325.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Carol Kocian wrote: "seamed nylons were in common use through the middle of the 20th century." Seamed nylons were available even into the sixties. As a teen I was afraid to wear them since a precicely straight seamline was very important, but they were also more elegant, the unseamed nylons had a bare, unfinished look. And the seam had a slenderizing, sexy look to it as well if it was straight, if not straight it was the mark of a slovenly or lower class, or a younger girl. I say all this as an observer. My mother would wear the unseamed ones if she could afford them, and the seamed ones otherwise. She worked at the seamed ones but looked nicer in them as well. I love the old movies, too. LOL Another bit of trivia of interest to almost no one, nylons were Mended at least into the fifties with a very fine thread and needle binding the edges of a run as invisibly as a handy girl could manage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 15:51:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FKpuZs009671 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:51:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FKpmYn030810; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:51:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FKpFPI082874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FKpDFm051492; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FKp9uD051442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0FKo9q0028768 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:50:12 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:50:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61533.64.156.242.51.1137358249.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43CAB2DA.5070600@floodcity.net> References: <200601141821.k0EILIl1070906@net.indra.com> <43CAB2DA.5070600@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:50:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:51:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CAB5E4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kitty said, > Seamed nylons were available even into the sixties. They're still available now! http://vickisnylons.com/ Vicki's has some underthings that may be useful for those doing mid-20th century. I remember wearing them sometimes in the 80s, and also there was a "seam" craze where the manufacturers would sew a black seam into the regular stretchy nylons. What Vicki sells (and I imagine there are other sources) is the real thing, not very stretchy and knit to fit the leg. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 16:28:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FLSCbk010348 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:28:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FLS4rD015074; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:28:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FLLKkE086273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FLLCqp068240; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:21:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FLL43n068107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:21:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FN0F2W018834 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:00:15 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:25:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200601141821.k0EILIl1070906@net.indra.com> <43CAB2DA.5070600@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <43CAB2DA.5070600@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601151625.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:28:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CABE64.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sunday 15 January 2006 3:38 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > Carol Kocian wrote: > > "seamed nylons were in common use through the middle of > the 20th century." > > Seamed nylons were available even into the sixties. Frederick's of Hollywood was selling cheap seamed nylons as recently as 5 years ago, and may still be selling them for all that I know. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 16:50:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FLoTJO010863 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:50:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FLoLkt025698; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:50:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FLnOiB089250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FLnLgV084106; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FLnI3T084066 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:49:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24791.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.145]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 296552628A0 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:49:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c61a1d$8b2eed40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601141821.k0EILIl1070906@net.indra.com><43CAB2DA.5070600@floodcity.net> <200601151625.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:49:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:50:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CAC39D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And they can be used to make incredible lovely small trolls and witches out of, stuffed with polyester filling. You can sew their eyes, nose and mouth to make them dimentional. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 17:44:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FMi5jF011978 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:44:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FMhv5f016089; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:44:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FMhXca094095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FMhUS6012555; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FMhQs9012474 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:43:21 -0800 Message-ID: <43CAD016.9000304@msn.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:43:34 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <59363.64.156.242.51.1136844176.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <59363.64.156.242.51.1136844176.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 22:43:21.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[1634F7C0:01C61A25] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sockings on a frame :knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:44:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CAD02D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I saw some of the previous posts and links about this and was curious if you knew how far back knitting socks on a frame went? Also...having made the spelling error above in the subject, I started to wonder how the "t" started getting left out of stocking...or was it the other way around? Thanks, Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 02:09:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G797Pb022442 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:09:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G78vw9008082; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:09:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G71DGM048319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:01:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G718KY070587; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:01:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G713BE070527 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19483 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:29:50 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:29:49 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics In-Reply-To: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:09:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CB4689.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, angelalazear wrote: > Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old > topic threads? No help from me on sergers -- I've never used one -- but to find the archives, follow the directions on the h-cost info page, URL at the bottom of all messages: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume When you get to the archive page, do be sure to read the directions. It is not your typical search engine; it was set up by listmember Eric Praetzel, as a public service (for which we should thank him many times over!). You can also find more recent archives at a parallel site on gmane, which began in June 2005: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume ...or at yet another online archive, here, which began around that same time, I think: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/info.html --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 03:31:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G8Vkk7010862 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:31:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G8Vb3k012794; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G8SjqZ056689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G8SfAC019220; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G8Sbc2019185 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D036C5DCF2 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:28:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060116001711.0385ad80@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:20:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... 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At 11:44 AM 1/13/2006, you wrote: >Is 4 oz. considered heavy enough for what we do? Or is 5.30 oz. preferable? > >Thanks! > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" 1 oz = 7.54 mommes so... 4 oz = 30.2 mommes 5.3 oz = 40.0 mommes Wow, I haven't seen taffeta in the heaviest weight before. Depending on prices and colored offered, both would be what I would love to work with. And changeable silks would be wonderful, as well as stripes. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 04:12:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9CtDl017457 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:12:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9Cl9a031138; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:12:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G9CG7q061138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9CBws042450; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9C7Vq042397 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.177709; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:11:53 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0G9Brf29734.; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:11:53 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:11:53 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:11:37 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0G9C7Vq042397 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:12:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CB638F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Not just castles. At New Year our music group played for two days in a 17th century cottage at the Weald & Downland Open-air Museum. Luckily the weather wasn't freezing as it had been for a spell after Christmas, but even with a log fire we were none too warm (especially with the door being constantly opened by punters). However, I reckoned that in real life the stones would have gradually absorbed heat and acted like a storage heater. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 13/01/2006 23:06 >>> Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote >> I have spent the weekend at an event >> in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. > >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys >had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world >of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 04:32:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9WJQv020171 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:32:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9WBYC007149; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G9Vhmb063088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9ViV0053153; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9VdRR053125 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.178749; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:31:24 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0G9VOf02253.; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:31:24 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:31:24 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:31:10 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? 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If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> robin@shell.nightowl.net 14/01/2006 14:56 >>> Hi, Onaree. MC&T is an annual journal; it's scheduled to come out every spring, in time for the Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo early in May. Volume 2 is on track to be released in April, three months from now. (The publisher has a date of April 1 on our webpage; they're British, so they probably don't know why an American would find that amusing!) ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 04:32:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9Wi0P020274 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:32:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9WafF030411; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:32:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G9TkuO062953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9Th2G052227; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9TckT052177 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.178649; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:19 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0G9TIf01957.; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:18 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:18 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:02 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0G9TckT052177 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:32:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CB6834.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! You could get nylons mended commercially, too. As a young child in the 1950s I remember a shop in Derby where women sat in the window working under desk lamps, and my mother telling me that they were mending stockings. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> basyefelton@floodcity.net 15/01/2006 20:38 >>> Another bit of trivia of interest to almost no one, nylons were Mended at least into the fifties with a very fine thread and needle binding the edges of a run as invisibly as a handy girl could manage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 04:48:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9mkSN025137 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:48:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9mcaj014804; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:48:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G9lwXw064301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9luiZ060545; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9lqrp060469 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1dc.4cb8aa5b (58677) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:47:41 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.4cb8aa5b.30fcc5bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:47:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:48:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CB6BF6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/14/06 1:11:01 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Hi, > > I know this is a bit behind the fact, but the thought ocurred to me that it > may worth Nigel posting the list ( and the event that caused the list ) to > *ALL* of the ebay community boards, even if they don't seem to have anything to > do with re-enactment. That way there will be a LOT more people keeping an > eye out ( hopefully ). That's a really good idea - which we hadn't actually thought of - thanks - fortunately a *small* amount of the kit has been recovered - the two mail shirts and the big cauldron - they had been dumped in somebody's back garden! > > Deb, would you please forward my sincere condolences to Nigel and his lady. Nigel Walton of conquest? if so that's me! (in which case thanks, and will pass on to N). > > > Joannah. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 04:53:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9r2C7025850 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:53:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G9qswF016888; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G9pbAX064766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9pa6W062434; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G9pUR2062389 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:51:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB98441704C6; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:47:04 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:51:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c61a82$71a3f900$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I recently got a fireplace candle holder, which I put in front of the fireplace because we have glass doors on the fireplace. I noticed that burning 9 candles was significantly warming our large 16x25 living room. Our heat is set to go down to 55 degrees at 11 pm, so I was surprised to find it a pleasantly warm 71 degrees at 2am. So perhaps candlelit rooms were much warmer because of the candles also. Heat gets into the room and not up the chimney. Sharon C. Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:12 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Not just castles. At New Year our music group played for two days in a 17th century cottage at the Weald & Downland Open-air Museum. Luckily the weather wasn't freezing as it had been for a spell after Christmas, but even with a log fire we were none too warm (especially with the door being constantly opened by punters). However, I reckoned that in real life the stones would have gradually absorbed heat and acted like a storage heater. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 13/01/2006 23:06 >>> Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote >> I have spent the weekend at an event >> in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. > >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys had >been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world of >difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 10:23:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GFNYA0027446 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:23:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GFNQbY001533; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:23:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GFHDH6006875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GFH8F0064279; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GFH5En064198 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55fe.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.254]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B99C347FEDB for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:17:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c61aaf$f2d370a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><59363.64.156.242.51.1136844176.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sockings on a frame :knit stockings Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:17:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:23:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBBA6E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I believe the knitting frame was invented in the renaissance, so it would be as old as that. No idea about the t shape Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Sockings on a frame :knit stockings >I saw some of the previous posts and links about this and was curious if >you knew how far back knitting socks on a frame went? Also...having made >the spelling error above in the subject, I started to wonder how the "t" >started getting left out of stocking...or was it the other way around? > > Thanks, > > Sg > >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 10:49:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GFn4M1028585 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:49:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GFmuZD019374; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GFgkEP010390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GFgifq083685; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GFgeaI083642 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55fe.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.254]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B09005EE028 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:42:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:42:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] spoiling myself X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:48:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBC068.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, After the long work with the yellow dress, i have desided its time to spoil myself. I went fabric shopping last week and purchaised a shot silk taffeta. It is autumn green shot with yellow silk, it gives a golden shine. This weekend i struggled with the difficult choise to choose colours for the embroidery, but i ended up very conservative with a golden colour choise for the embroidery. I want to make myself a demi galla habit francaise, with a narrow embroidered trim. I will make a yellow waistcoat and also the cuffs of the jacket will be yellow like you se with an example of a purple habit francaise i have on the homepage on top. It has a cream waistcoat, and cream cuffs on the jacket. This is a very elaborate way of combinding the colours and the fabrics. I made this page, because it shows some better closeup pictures of the previous habit francaise i embroidered. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 11:16:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GGFwij029095 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:15:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GGFosN006241; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:15:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GGFJ8N014570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GGFHAp008755; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GGFCcq008662 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DB190B2A for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:15:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CBC6C9.7050304@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:16:09 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself References: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:15:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBC6B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I made this page, because it shows some better closeup pictures of the > previous habit francaise i embroidered. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm > I wish I had the patience for embroidery. I very nearly did not finish my wedding gown because I found it too tedious. On your habit francaise, what are those white circles that go around the edge of the cuffs and the pocket flaps? Is that embroidery or something else? How large are the buttons you used? Did you embroider those, too? What did you use for a base underneath? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 11:17:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GGHeSh029131 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:17:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GGHWJs029658; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:17:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GGGdj8014766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GGGbe9009873; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GGGXR0009798 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23551 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:45:20 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:45:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? 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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: > If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too! Ooh, I didn't know that! Thanks! Now I can tease my publisher ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 11:38:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GGc2pV029568 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:38:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GGbsCx022680; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:37:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GGaDnC017557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GGa6KF026130; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0GGZstU025975 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 2034 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 17:32:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:32:53 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1059.67.188.164.116.1137429491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060116001711.0385ad80@64.87.54.245> References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060116001711.0385ad80@64.87.54.245> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:37:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBCBE2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > > > 1 oz = 7.54 mommes so... > 4 oz = 30.2 mommes > 5.3 oz = 40.0 mommes Kimiko, Thanks for the translation from ounces to mommes! I had been looking for a way to convert them... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 13:16:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GIGAsM031791 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:16:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GIG0uk000850; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GIE2eA033077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GIDvkq017767; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GIDiXH017500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:17848 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EyYrR-00083X-27 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:13:45 -0600 Message-ID: <053701c61ac8$94588b50$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <265.3e55ea1.30f6fa86@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:13:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:16:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBE2E0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:30:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dluckham@sympatico.ca writes: > Other bast fibers (ramie, hemp), also look like bamboo, but they are much > less commonly found in yard goods. I'm starting to think this actually might BE ramie--it's got a lot of the characteristics, and from what I've heard it's not uncommon for ramie to be listed as linen, even by manufacturers. (Ramie is getting a lot more popular lately, which I'm delighted to hear about; I like it even better than linen.) I'm pretty sure there's cotton in it, though ...sigh. Now I just need to get my hands on a microscope! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 13:39:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GIdgol032305 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:39:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GIdX7X019484; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:39:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GIcQPk036974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GIcOL6038225; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0GIcG3c038084 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:38:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6Z389AHXZDES for (sender ); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEUW4X53; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:36:16 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:32:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing Message-ID: <20160118.123239.-949129.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-7,9-35 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 13:6:1748648056 X-MAIL-INFO: 3ccc55e555d5197dd5194508194518593871682191e8719cb58d91a19c3c8c4d9c0d6c15cc81ccec7945e919cc08 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn74pOgNX08jlr6ExFM6Ew2sUas/sFd8b4SQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:39:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBE865.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ramie is a nice natural fiber, but I understand that it is more brittle than linen and will tend to break easier. That means that fold lines will show wear quicker than you might expect. Karen Seamstrix On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:13:38 -0600 "E House" writes: > > In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:30:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > dluckham@sympatico.ca writes: > > Other bast fibers (ramie, hemp), also look like bamboo, but they > are much > > less commonly found in yard goods. > > I'm starting to think this actually might BE ramie--it's got a lot > of the > characteristics, and from what I've heard it's not uncommon for > ramie to be > listed as linen, even by manufacturers. (Ramie is getting a lot > more > popular lately, which I'm delighted to hear about; I like it even > better > than linen.) I'm pretty sure there's cotton in it, though ...sigh. > Now I > just need to get my hands on a microscope! > > -E House > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 13:41:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GIfwXi032351 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:41:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GIfolp021478; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:41:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GIYbH3036366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GIYWC3034873; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:RJnW4qMywJokYCuz/snBOy+xcM7HTrjo@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GIYN1d034730 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.213] (206-124-5-213.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.213]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k0GIX5x01000 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:33:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost]April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:34:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:41:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBE8EE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 16, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >> If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too! I learned that when I was six years old and my mother took me and my sister to Europe for 3 months. On April 1, I found that people would pin paper fish to others' backs without them knowing it. Either my sis did it to me or we did it to out mom, I can't recall. And I can't remember what the significance was. Do you know, Kate? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 14:15:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GJF2dV000604 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:15:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GJEsdO014123; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:14:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GJDFdc042740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:13:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GJD9GM070600; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GJCoAL070273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0GJ3CfN010080 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:03:12 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:03:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43CBF025.2070306@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:12:37 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:14:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBF0AE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >>> If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too! > > > I learned that when I was six years old and my mother took me and my > sister to Europe for 3 months. On April 1, I found that people would > pin paper fish to others' backs without them knowing it. I learned this in French class as "Poisson d'Avril." I don't know if other than the French do the fish thing -- but as Fozzie Bear often said "one man's fish is another man's poisson." -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent 2005 was supposed to be the year every major disease was cured, terrorists started World War III by shooting a nuclear missile into China, and world hunger ended when scientists developed a tasty crossbreed between a camel and an iguana. -- Gene Emery, who has been tracking the accuracy of psychic predictions since 1979. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 14:22:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GJMrnd000790 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:22:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GJMjYX019778; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:22:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GJM7qP044303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GJM0lp079530; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GJLtep079388 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.156]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CEBC647FE6C for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c61ad2$2466d090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43CBC6C9.7050304@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:22:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:22:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBF285.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi The white cirkles are embroidered two. Yes i did embroider the buttons, i used wood foundations for the buttons. Some shops sells excactly copyes of 18th century button moulds, they are either by bone or wood, with a whole in the middle. I asked what the whole was for, and they told me the only way they could drill out such round foundations was to make a whole in the cirkle. When the fabric is stretched over it, you cant see it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> I made this page, because it shows some better closeup pictures of the >> previous habit francaise i embroidered. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm >> > > I wish I had the patience for embroidery. I very nearly did not finish my > wedding gown because I found it too tedious. > > On your habit francaise, what are those white circles that go around the > edge of the cuffs and the pocket flaps? Is that embroidery or something > else? > > How large are the buttons you used? Did you embroider those, too? What did > you use for a base underneath? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 14:49:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GJnho8001291 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:49:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GJnZ1q006902; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:49:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GJmkO9047927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GJmg0t002299; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GJmcoE002149 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A88E038C; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:48:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Jan 2006 14:48:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c61ad6$088e39e0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><43CBC6C9.7050304@reddawn.net> <000a01c61ad2$2466d090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:49:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:49:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CBF8CF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And I have seen antique buttons utilize the hole in attaching the button to the garment! The attaching threads on top are covered by the embroidery. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself > Hi > The white cirkles are embroidered two. Yes i did embroider the buttons, i > used wood foundations for the buttons. > Some shops sells excactly copyes of 18th century button moulds, they are > either by bone or wood, with a whole in the middle. > I asked what the whole was for, and they told me the only way they could > drill out such round foundations was to make a whole in the cirkle. > When the fabric is stretched over it, you cant see it. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself > > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > >> I made this page, because it shows some better closeup pictures of the > >> previous habit francaise i embroidered. > >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm > >> > > > > I wish I had the patience for embroidery. I very nearly did not finish my > > wedding gown because I found it too tedious. > > > > On your habit francaise, what are those white circles that go around the > > edge of the cuffs and the pocket flaps? Is that embroidery or something > > else? > > > > How large are the buttons you used? Did you embroider those, too? What did > > you use for a base underneath? > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 15:49:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GKnaF9002440 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:49:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GKnQBC020497; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:49:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GKljJP057961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GKlaf4054978; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GKlSlw054851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:17965 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EybGJ-0006w0-DF for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:47:36 -0600 Message-ID: <055b01c61ade$112f1d00$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20160118.123239.-949129.0.penhalion@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ramie (was: Linen burn testing) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:47:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:49:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CC06D6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It is more brittle and shouldn't be creased long-term, but... depending on the exact variety, some of it is has a tensile strength of up to 7 times that of silk, so it's not intrinsically weak. It's more absorbent than linen, holds dye a bit better, and in general is stronger when wet, doesn't shrink, and has a luster that actually increases with laundering. Also, it seems to be easier to find smooth & fine ramie of the sort that I like for chemises than linen of the same quality. So I still like it better! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 16:40:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GLe4e0006467 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:40:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GLdu0V025046; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:39:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GLdOGv065840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GLdIgj001851; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:39:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GLdA46001700 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:39:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-146.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.146]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2006 05:39:04 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43CC1425.6070007@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:46:13 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen question - counts? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:39:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CC12AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm about to place an order for handkerchief linen, but instead of getting a weight I was given this: 1000,1200,1300,1400 count cambric linen. Can anyone enlighten me as to which one would be the really fine linen? Many thanks, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 17:42:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GMgArs007556 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:42:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GMg2PP004187; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:42:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GMfRMK074196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GMfK7A051948; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GMfB1G051790 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (c-24-1-249-246.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.249.246]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200601162241060140023omse>; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:41:06 +0000 Message-ID: <019801c61aed$f3115ad0$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CC1425.6070007@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:41:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] An Ideal Husband X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:42:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CC213A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Does anyone know if the gowns used for this movie are displayed anywhere? Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 19:55:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H0tGmo009958 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:55:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H0t8NB015011; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:55:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0H0rr6u091738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H0rkbW052246; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:53:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H0rg0f052156 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD55913DA for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:53:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CC404E.5050908@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:54:38 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself References: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43CBC6C9.7050304@reddawn.net> <000a01c61ad2$2466d090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000a01c61ad2$2466d090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:55:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CC406C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > The white cirkles are embroidered two. Yes i did embroider the buttons, > i used wood foundations for the buttons. > Some shops sells excactly copyes of 18th century button moulds, they are > either by bone or wood, with a whole in the middle. > I asked what the whole was for, and they told me the only way they could > drill out such round foundations was to make a whole in the cirkle. > When the fabric is stretched over it, you cant see it. So, you're saying your button foundations are flat wood circles with a hole in the middle? There's no shank on the wooden part? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 16 20:26:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H1QQBu010360 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:26:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H1QIXo031736; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:26:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0H1Po6G095755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H1PmHf072946; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H1PjsW072888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0H1Pf3Q020492 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:25:44 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:27:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060110205248.30829.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] To whiten "natural" linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:26:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CC47BA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Age is definitely creeping up on me since I'm sure this has been discussed - but I can't remember when. I have some nice natural- or unbleached linen. Problem is I want some nice white linen. Is there a way that I can bleach what I have without destroying it or without a commercial process? laying it out on the lawn right now isn't an option; however, would that work later on (say July?) Regina Romsey (AnTir, soggy, and proud of it :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 00:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H5Ggbq014162 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:16:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H5GYIT019731; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0H5FbJl027392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H5FW9A009110; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:15:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H5FRAC009059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0357.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.103]:1555 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EyjBl-0001JN-Vx for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <43CC7D6B.9030208@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:15:23 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200601161904.k0GJ4Ufr062123@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200601161904.k0GJ4Ufr062123@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: warming a castle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:16:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CC7DB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! Jean -- Jean Waddie I'm guessing that is why we still have "house warmings" I bet it took a month in a castle. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 01:31:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H6VPus015224 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:31:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H6VHwC019858; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:31:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0H6UkLO035694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H6UdgP048904; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0H6Ua9K048849 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 18762 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2006 06:30:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QOXkp2wtSkQV/ZlHrKrGkAauq1ao8hNumeMBaa/8GYfdws63MldF9/y7xTb3r74FJEIWz/iP4JpLwbzoYpqvq8Rt5MVbQf0sip+QPQVuF4DORUMoZaASZ6L34xyWyb6juRSR3jnUoE8RgWRT2vlf6iAbe9VZNM24vVTEJlRWDmo= ; Message-ID: <20060117063035.18760.qmail@web25909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.157.124] by web25909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:30:35 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:30:35 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: warming a castle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43CC7D6B.9030208@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:31:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CC8F35.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kitty Felton wrote: I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! COMMENT Very few castle museums I've ever visited in the last mumble-mumble years, anywhere in the UK or in Western Europe, have been re-furnished the way they were - so 2 critical parts of the furnishings have been missing - the enveloping wall-hangings in all the chambers and across the doorways, and those fires. Yours in Service, Matthew ["Messire Matthew Baker", Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War") ] aka. - Julian Wilson, - late-medieval Re-enactor; Herald, Historian, & Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the Island of "olde" Jersey's only mediæval living-history Group] Meet us at < www.dukesleopards.org >" [input] - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 01:40:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H6eCru015363 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:40:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H6e48B023126; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:40:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0H6darc036616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H6dXqt053914; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H6dTOK053872 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC875D10E for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:39:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060116192213.0379c990@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:23:04 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... 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At 08:38 AM 1/16/2006, you wrote: > > 1 oz = 7.54 mommes so... > > 4 oz = 30.2 mommes > > 5.3 oz = 40.0 mommes > >Kimiko, > >Thanks for the translation from ounces to mommes! I had been looking for >a way to convert them... > >Diana I found that on denverfabrics.com website under their silk info. I had also found it elsewhere online, but can't find it right now. Anyway, I am glad to help. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:13:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEDeeR022607 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:13:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HECZYk016435; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:13:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HE6uEQ090720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HE6oHL098414; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HE6kQg098305 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A9EF025C; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:06:39 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 17 Jan 2006 09:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c61b6f$76b2ffc0$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:08:14 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new tricks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43CCFB8C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0HEDeeR022607 I returned from New England with a cute doll belonging to my granddaughter. It had failed an ariel test by her big brother. The missing leg was smashed to smithereens. I ordered some molding compound and the results was less than hoped for. Then I remembered all the many threads of this list of 'how to do a bodycast' and rummaging in my Costuming-making stash, came up with a roll of plaster tape donated by my orthopedist. So I placed a cast on the leg just thick enough to catch the shape, cut it while it was set but not dry and "Voila"! I will have to tweak the Avis Clay to make the right leg and foot but the right size is there. I also wrapped a china doll in plastic was able to make a mold of the chestplate of another doll. H-costume comes through Again!! Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:31:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEV0u8023137 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:31:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEUq9B025303; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:30:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HESRWN094528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HESQgq013601; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FM7DBw094007 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IT500A0MMRO0R10@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:07:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:06:58 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons In-reply-to: <200601151625.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:30:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CCFF9C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Fredrick's and Victoria's Secrets sell seamed nylons. However, they are not cheap! (I think that they were about $20 US) Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons On Sunday 15 January 2006 3:38 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > Carol Kocian wrote: > > "seamed nylons were in common use through the middle of > the 20th century." > > Seamed nylons were available even into the sixties. Frederick's of Hollywood was selling cheap seamed nylons as recently as 5 years ago, and may still be selling them for all that I know. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:35:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEZWPC023224 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:35:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEZOLP027643; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:35:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEYjxT095180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEYi6A017445; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FN1noS022612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0FN0h6O023369 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:00:50 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:01:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61596.64.156.242.51.1137366089.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43CAD016.9000304@msn.com> References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <59363.64.156.242.51.1136844176.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <43CAD016.9000304@msn.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:01:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sockings on a frame :knit stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:35:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD00AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Saragrace, The frame was invented by Reverend Lee in the late 16thC and presented to Queen Elizabeth I for a patent. The story goes that she refused, based on the fear it would put hand knitters out of business. She did suggest that he should refine it to make fine-knit silks. Lee died in poverty and his brother took the frame to France and developed it further. So it was probably through the 17thC that framework stockings began to be made in any quantity. By the early 18th century, framework stockings were known, and handknits were still being made. Are you talking about how the word sock evolved and relates to stocking? Good question! I still don't know why clocking is called clocking, although chevening may relate to "cheve", or ankle in French. Except that an Englishwoman claims to have invented chevening in 1783, but I found the word someplace dated in the 1750s. Aha, a new field of study - costume linguistics! -Carol > I saw some of the previous posts and links about this and was curious if > you knew how far back knitting socks on a frame went? > Also...having made the spelling error above in the subject, I started to > wonder how the "t" started getting left out of stocking...or was it the > other way around? > > Thanks, > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:36:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEaQha023243 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:36:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEaIQK013659; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEZOhL095299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEZOnA017934; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G0wXhO081114 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-2-173.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.2.173]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2006 08:58:40 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43CAF168.4050609@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:05:44 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen question - counts? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:36:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD00E2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm about to place an order for handkerchief linen, but instead of getting a weight I was given this: 1000,1200,1300,1400 count cambric linen. Can anyone enlighten me as to which one would be the really fine linen? Many thanks, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:37:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEboch023273 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:37:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEbgg4004103; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:37:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEa7sE095486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEa5Uq018645; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0G8SbCU019184 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260195DD51 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:28:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060115235647.0385b010@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:12:13 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... In-Reply-To: References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:37:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0136.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 06:26 AM 1/15/2006, you wrote: >I am late in on the conversation, but I didn't see anyone mentioning the >duct-tape forms you can make. Depending on how big your commercial dummy >is, you can even use it as most of the stuffing. I have even made these >for clients, unstuffed and restuffed them years later for new >garments. Just be sure you find good quality duct tape...otherwise it >stretches! > >Sg FWIW to all, Roger and I, with the help of my husband, recently worked on wrapping Roger in brown packing tape (the kind that hand tears easily), per instructions from Connie Amaden-Crawford in her book "Pattermaking Made Easy". She doesn't like duct tape and notes that duct tape gets pins sticky, which the brown tape supposedly doesn't. Basically, a person is put into a garbage bag, and a length of duct tape is used to help define the curved parts. Then you take short sections of brown tape and wrap below the waist. Then you take smaller pieces of brown tape and tape the shoulders and neck area, then move to the back, then the chest, then underarms and finally work the stomach last so you can breathe. You do about 3-4 layers of brown tape, and seal it off with clear packing tape. The wrapping took awhile, but it formed around curves rather nicely since those sections are done with roughly squared pieces of tape done diamond wise around the curvy parts. While there is a build up of tape layers, I see it can provide a small built in amount of ease, which would be about the same as the duct tape double. I have made a duct tape dummy a couple of times, and didn't like how it exploded on me with the stuffing (probably overstuffed). And the tape also fell off in just a few months along the seam, and that was with fresh duct tape. I will be making a brown tape double for myself (one regular, one in ren. stays, and eventually one in a Victorian corset) as well once my baby can go longer between feedings, as it took about 4.5 hours to just wrap him. If we can get more people cutting pieces of taping and placing them, it may go faster, as I need a double soon to work on various projects for the year. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:39:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEd5Ub023324 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:39:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEcvNh029778; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:38:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEcGk0095911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:38:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEcEEx020353; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GFrNbB091277 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.205.175]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006011615531701100dh462e>; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:53:17 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter75.comcast.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:53:16 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:53:16 +0000 Message-Id: <011620061553.12852.43CBC16C000B8483000032342207020953CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:39:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0181.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, I really must get you to spoil me one of these days. ;) Goregous as always! XxX, Traci -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi, > After the long work with the yellow dress, i have desided its time to spoil > myself. I went fabric shopping last week and purchaised a shot silk taffeta. > It is autumn green shot with yellow silk, it gives a golden shine. > This weekend i struggled with the difficult choise to choose colours for the > embroidery, but i ended up very conservative with a golden colour choise for > the embroidery. > I want to make myself a demi galla habit francaise, with a narrow > embroidered trim. I will make a yellow waistcoat and also the cuffs of the > jacket will be yellow like you se with an example of a purple habit > francaise i have on the homepage on top. It has a cream waistcoat, and cream > cuffs on the jacket. This is a very elaborate way of combinding the colours > and the fabrics. > I made this page, because it shows some better closeup pictures of the > previous habit francaise i embroidered. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:42:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEgN0f023383 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:42:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEgDkj031474; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEag1r095612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:36:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEafkk019075; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:36:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEac5a019038 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55d5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.213]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6485C5EE028 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:36:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c61b73$7661fcc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] To whiten "natural" linen Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:36:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:42:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0245.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Regina, You will be surprised how much it bleaches. Keep it wet while doing it with a spray can. Spray it from time to time. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] To whiten "natural" linen > Age is definitely creeping up on me since I'm sure this has been > discussed - > but I can't remember when. > > I have some nice natural- or unbleached linen. Problem is I want some > nice > white linen. Is there a way that I can bleach what I have without > destroying it or without a commercial process? > > laying it out on the lawn right now isn't an option; however, would that > work later on (say July?) > > Regina Romsey (AnTir, soggy, and proud of it :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:42:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEglhg023386 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:42:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEgd1f017128; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEg4Nt096716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEg2Bf023550; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0GJIsvZ076517 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 64065 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 19:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 19:18:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060116191702.01d5fce0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:18:36 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost]April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? 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At 18:34 16/01/2006, you wrote: >On Jan 16, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Robin Netherton wrote: > >> >>On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: >> >>>If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too! > >I learned that when I was six years old and my mother took me and my >sister to Europe for 3 months. On April 1, I found that people >would pin paper fish to others' backs without them knowing >it. Either my sis did it to me or we did it to out mom, I can't >recall. And I can't remember what the significance was. Do you know, Kate? I seem to remember that the French equivalent of April Fool's Day is "Poisson d'Avril" - April fish! But I don't know why, and could be wrong. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:43:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEhGoG023400 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:43:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEh87F006789; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:43:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEgY1T096831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEgY5p024005; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0HEgTwh023946 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2600 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2006 14:42:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Am8L1ixVk5MGn1vNlonHNhKdLWxQ8NF5H3V4eRhB8oX4d9lo9MlbaZmHJPA67o2jB4XGAN7HOD1uURv+KCIHx36ABygm6gJh8Dm3Ek8140oQ+/kzHEhEkmtU9SRFjqabDRdEqTq69l/+MEkuwp28zG6P87kPbAG64DVNc8MaeLA= ; Message-ID: <20060117144228.2598.qmail@web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:42:28 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:42:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Lena To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD027C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness. It's basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck opening and tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are supposed to go down over the knuckles with a small flare, which IIRC are a later development. Now, for my problem. What would be the easiest/best/authentic way of cutting the sleeves? I'm thinking either to cut the sleeve in one piece, with a flare at the end, and then insert a gore in the middle (i.e. where the thumb is when wearing the dress) to make the flare symmetrical, OR make an ordinary sleeve first and then add a (two?) curved piece for the cuff. Naturally, I'm behind schedule, so quick replies are very appreciated. /Lena (38 buttonholes to go... *shudder*) --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:43:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEhKxV023401 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:43:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEhCrg002622; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEgmLe096876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEgiTR024169; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0HEgUHS023951 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25407 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2006 14:42:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=usS46Hr1vn6SJ5YRpGYNFcGJ3U4vlwXa3kQ8UcZ/QV706/dAfUX5GBAj/EaxUdFVU6UeyBmPvvSYW+reD8CLJpPw7U8SrbdRrXQu03s3Bm1vKR9NZhHy0wajSFdfE9qJQSrk1W83SQZx39pfBO46I29rEHEDqahhIlHoHUkOgk4= ; Message-ID: <20060117144229.25405.qmail@web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:42:29 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:42:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Lena To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:43:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0280.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness. It's basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck opening and tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are supposed to go down over the knuckles with a small flare, which IIRC are a later development. Now, for my problem. What would be the easiest/best/authentic way of cutting the sleeves? I'm thinking either to cut the sleeve in one piece, with a flare at the end, and then insert a gore in the middle (i.e. where the thumb is when wearing the dress) to make the flare symmetrical, OR make an ordinary sleeve first and then add a (two?) curved piece for the cuff. Naturally, I'm behind schedule, so quick replies are very appreciated. /Lena (38 buttonholes to go... *shudder*) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:45:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEjUr2023447 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:45:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEjMTC000649; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:45:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEi5qK097126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:44:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEi4Rp025366; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GNC4xV075304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:18948 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EydWG-0002Bv-7G for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:12:12 -0600 Message-ID: <05a101c61af2$42a9a620$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CC1425.6070007@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen question - counts? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:12:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:45:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0303.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- > I'm about to place an order for handkerchief linen, but instead of > getting a weight I was given this: 1000,1200,1300,1400 count cambric > linen. Can anyone enlighten me as to which one would be the really fine > linen? Where are you ordering from? I'd think that the higher the number, the finer the linen, but it's that 'cambric' that catches my attention: I think I want some! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:45:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEjhs3023459 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:45:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEjZ6E018689; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEh2OQ096927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:43:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEh1U0024381; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GK8ZmT019741 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006011620082801400249r0e>; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:08:28 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:08:15 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:08:15 +0000 Message-Id: <011620062008.1332.43CBFD2F000919AC0000053422073000339C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:45:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD030F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Your embroidery is so beautiful. I wish I could have you teach me some of your wonderful techniques, especially with stumpwork. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi, > After the long work with the yellow dress, i have desided its time to spoil > myself. I went fabric shopping last week and purchaised a shot silk taffeta. > It is autumn green shot with yellow silk, it gives a golden shine. > This weekend i struggled with the difficult choise to choose colours for the > embroidery, but i ended up very conservative with a golden colour choise for > the embroidery. > I want to make myself a demi galla habit francaise, with a narrow > embroidered trim. I will make a yellow waistcoat and also the cuffs of the > jacket will be yellow like you se with an example of a purple habit > francaise i have on the homepage on top. It has a cream waistcoat, and cream > cuffs on the jacket. This is a very elaborate way of combinding the colours > and the fabrics. > I made this page, because it shows some better closeup pictures of the > previous habit francaise i embroidered. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:46:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEkVbY023480 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEkNxu008337; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEiMB5097210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:44:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEiL6v025590; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:44:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H03RGj014635 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.a3.3501ccf (3310) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:03:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:03:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD033F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/16/2006 1:16:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: (Ramie is getting a lot more popular lately, which I'm delighted to hear about; I like it even better than linen.) Ramie really hit the market about 18 years ago, partly because it was not included in the fiber import quotas into the US. So enterprising Asian manufacturers realized they could produce it and thereby bypass the quotas. Yes, it is more crystalline than linen, which makes it both "stiffer" and harder to dye. The various bast fibers do look slightly different under the microscope, but you really need pictures or known samples to be able to distinguish them. If memory serves me, I believe we found that the cross-section of ramie is more of an elongated hexagon than is flax (linen). Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:46:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEkVtd023481 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEkNb5003613; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEhjHd097037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:43:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEhfXf024971; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:43:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0GKrlI0060201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:18072 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EybMK-0007fr-MZ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:53:49 -0600 Message-ID: <058701c61ade$efa64130$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc><1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060116001711.0385ad80@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:53:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD033F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Definitely let us know when you get this stuff! I'm holding my breath for a gold/color shot taffeta and a gold/black stripe taffeta. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:48:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEm1HE023512 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:48:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HElrCO001943; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEl71L097823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEl5bT028368; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HDKefZ072452 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF1F021C; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:20:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 17 Jan 2006 08:20:16 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c61b69$00054820$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43CBC6C9.7050304@reddawn.net><000a01c61ad2$2466d090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43CC404E.5050908@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:21:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:47:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0399.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dawn, that is what I have...waiting to cover and embroider. Some times you will find these in those in jars or boxes of buttons that you see at auctions or flea markets. I even have two sizes. There are no shanks. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Hi > > The white cirkles are embroidered two. Yes i did embroider the buttons, > > i used wood foundations for the buttons. > > Some shops sells excactly copyes of 18th century button moulds, they are > > either by bone or wood, with a whole in the middle. > > I asked what the whole was for, and they told me the only way they could > > drill out such round foundations was to make a whole in the cirkle. > > When the fabric is stretched over it, you cant see it. > > > So, you're saying your button foundations are flat wood circles with a > hole in the middle? There's no shank on the wooden part? > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:49:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEn8Ut023542 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:49:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEn042020444; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:49:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HElfad097960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HElfxm028885; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEXcCt016837 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:33:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55d5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.213]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0499A5EE0D3 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:33:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c61b73$060c0d80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004d01c61ab3$87d7e8e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43CBC6C9.7050304@reddawn.net><000a01c61ad2$2466d090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43CC404E.5050908@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:33:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD03DC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Dawn, No there is no shank. All the fabric is gathered at the back, and makes a shank in itself. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] spoiling myself > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi >> The white cirkles are embroidered two. Yes i did embroider the buttons, i >> used wood foundations for the buttons. >> Some shops sells excactly copyes of 18th century button moulds, they are >> either by bone or wood, with a whole in the middle. >> I asked what the whole was for, and they told me the only way they could >> drill out such round foundations was to make a whole in the cirkle. >> When the fabric is stretched over it, you cant see it. > > > So, you're saying your button foundations are flat wood circles with a > hole in the middle? There's no shank on the wooden part? > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 09:52:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEq0Z8023585 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:52:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HEpqKj004138; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HEj4ES097346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HEj4D8026197; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:45:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0H1jqum085603 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LXVJ9JT7CWACBZM6@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:45:32 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LXVJ9X859Y9UTWZE@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:45:50 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:45:40 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] To whiten "natural" linen In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43CC4C44.4030309@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:51:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0488.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Wanda Pease wrote: >I have some nice natural- or unbleached linen. Problem is I want some nice >white linen. Is there a way that I can bleach what I have without >destroying it or without a commercial process? > >laying it out on the lawn right now isn't an option; however, would that >work later on (say July?) > > A wash with some ammonia and a good sunning whitens linen somewhat. A little bleach is usually OK too. -- Adele de Maisieres ***************************** Book now for Canterbury Faire http://sg.sca.org.nz/cf.htm ***************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 10:02:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HF2sgE023836 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:02:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HF2k9Z009599; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HF1TH7000737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:01:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HF1LW7040185; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HF182L039937 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:01:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IT800MGBSDDSV00@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.37] (Forwarded-For: [199.20.68.40]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:00:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:00:49 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? In-reply-to: <20060117144229.25405.qmail@web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <20060117144229.25405.qmail@web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:02:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD0716.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings from someone who just wore her *first* GFD this past Sat. My sleeves are cut completely on the bias with a gusset in the seam line.. sorta between the sleeve seam and the arm hole. (I have broad shoulders and long arms). Or are you asking how to make the cuff part?? Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Lena > Hi, > > Now, for my problem. What would be the easiest/best/authentic > way of cutting the sleeves? I'm thinking either to cut the sleeve > in one piece, with a flare at the end, and then insert a gore in > the middle (i.e. where the thumb is when wearing the dress) to > make the flare symmetrical, OR make an ordinary sleeve first and > then add a (two?) curved piece for the cuff. > > /Lena (38 buttonholes to go... *shudder*) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 10:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HFGjMg024213 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:16:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HFGb4D016183; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:16:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HFDgYZ002974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HFDX4X050395; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:13:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HFDPaV050257 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.259293; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:13:01 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0HFCvN07083.; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:13:01 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:12:56 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:12:49 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? 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I learned "Poisson d'Avril" in French class too, but I don't know any more about it. I suspect the whole "April Fool" thing is much older than the founding of America, though. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> cvirtue+dated+1152990192.1d9c13@thibault.org 16/01/2006 19:12 >>> Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >>> If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too! > > > I learned that when I was six years old and my mother took me and my > sister to Europe for 3 months. On April 1, I found that people would > pin paper fish to others' backs without them knowing it. I learned this in French class as "Poisson d'Avril." I don't know if other than the French do the fish thing -- but as Fozzie Bear often said "one man's fish is another man's poisson." -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 11:04:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HG4Yf2025496 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:04:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HG4Olt006281; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:04:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HG37Ag009342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:03:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HG33Lx090128; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HG2w7R090002 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:03:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.7d.785bf1b3 (4539) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:02:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.785bf1b3.30fe6f25@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:02:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] To whiten "natural" linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:04:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD1588.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:46:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: A wash with some ammonia and a good sunning whitens linen somewhat. A little bleach is usually OK too. But DON'T use ammonia and bleach together!!!! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 11:17:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HGHrHx026733 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:17:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HGHj7K012102; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:17:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HGH0wm011422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HGGk7w002143; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HGGeFd001961 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3F80350; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:57:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 17 Jan 2006 10:57:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c61b7e$fb60eb60$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060117144229.25405.qmail@web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:59:17 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:17:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD18A9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Lena, in "The Evolution of Fashion" (the pink book, pg.33) the sleeve pattern shows a (now) traditional pattern shape with a slight flare at the bottom much as the extended facing of modern sleeves. The additional slit of this narrow sleeve is placed at the outer wrist line, probably 3" from the outer edge of the back line. This looks like it runs up to the elbow. In constructing it, I assume this slit would be faced. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? > Hi, > > I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness. It's basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck opening and tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are supposed to go down over the knuckles with a small flare, which IIRC are a later development. > > Now, for my problem. What would be the easiest/best/authentic way of cutting the sleeves? I'm thinking either to cut the sleeve in one piece, with a flare at the end, and then insert a gore in the middle (i.e. where the thumb is when wearing the dress) to make the flare symmetrical, OR make an ordinary sleeve first and then add a (two?) curved piece for the cuff. > > Naturally, I'm behind schedule, so quick replies are very appreciated. > > /Lena (38 buttonholes to go... *shudder*) > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 11:37:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HGbsGl028485 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:37:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HGbkcY021115; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:37:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HGaI14015253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HGaBVN019076; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HGTRHr013378 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30426338EF for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:29:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:29:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:37:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD1D5A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! April fool's is a European Holiday that came over to the America's. I believe is started in France. Allegedly, Prior to the Gregorian calendar, new year's day was celebrated in France on April 1st. Charles IX changed the French calendar to Gregorian and since news travels slow in them thar days or stubbornness to change people would still celebrate April 1st as New Year. Through time people who celebrated the new year on April 1st became known as fool's. This is one folklore. Looked this up. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aprilfools1.html De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 11:38:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HGcurb028686 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:38:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HGcmVR008178; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:38:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HGba09015419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HGbK4K020184; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0HGXjGB016977 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61768 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2006 16:26:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6sWgl+sByS3fCwMlZBg8fNULf3eOhFGVRIrGpaoZruk2bjXww1jvPopYo6DFEhk1JPgeQPk6MYjr6KndvZGZhyL0I7VicKu4F5wePHAl8RsG6UdW9MxJw/KrL4cdyTGISWMXFz2IG/OIDVysqW02BGfyhbsdVT5etsjoZxCybGE= ; Message-ID: <20060117162655.61766.qmail@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:26:55 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:26:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:38:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CD1D98.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > My sleeves are cut completely on the bias with a > gusset in the seam line.. sorta between the sleeve > seam and the arm hole. (I have broad shoulders and > long arms). > > Or are you asking how to make the cuff part?? Just the cuff. The rest of the sleeve is (in theory) ok. /Lena ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 14:38:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HJcQSq017007 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:38:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HJbWsi014811; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HJaQOb050613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HJaFGQ002238; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0HJRO5B092442 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 41692 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 19:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.143.34.45 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 19:27:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060117192321.01dab670@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:27:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? In-Reply-To: <20060117162655.61766.qmail@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060117162655.61766.qmail@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:38:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43CD47AA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:26 17/01/2006, you wrote: >--- purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > > My sleeves are cut completely on the bias with a > > gusset in the seam line.. sorta between the sleeve > > seam and the arm hole. (I have broad shoulders and > > long arms). > > > > Or are you asking how to make the cuff part?? > >Just the cuff. The rest of the sleeve is (in theory) >ok. When I make cuffed sleeves, I simply cut them on the bias, and add enough length at the wrist to turn up to make the cuff. I fully line the sleeves. That way you can wear them knuckle length *and* turned back. I don't think I left them open at the wrist either - the bias cut gives quite a bit, enough to slip your hand through unless you have very big bones. Hope that makes sense. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 14:49:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HJnFw1017365 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:49:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HJn7VS022698; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:49:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HJm46W052765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HJlx0c013677; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HJli4Z013380 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03135 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:31 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? In-Reply-To: <20060117144228.2598.qmail@web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:49:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43CD4A33.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Lena wrote: > I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a > modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness. > It's basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck > opening and tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are supposed to go > down over the knuckles with a small flare, which IIRC are a later > development. > > Now, for my problem. What would be the easiest/best/authentic way of > cutting the sleeves? I'm thinking either to cut the sleeve in one > piece, with a flare at the end, and then insert a gore in the middle > (i.e. where the thumb is when wearing the dress) to make the flare > symmetrical, OR make an ordinary sleeve first and then add a (two?) > curved piece for the cuff. I haven't looked up your source, but do I gather that you're saying the source doesn't have knuckle-length sleeves, but you're adding them because you like the look for your purposes? I can't remember the last time I tried these, because most of my bread-and-butter GFD sources don't have them, and I find them a pain to wear. If I were doing them for my purposes, I'd follow clues from my source. However, If I were doing them just for show, and not worried about historically correct methods, I'd try the following: 1. Build in the flare to the sleeve 2. If that doesn't work, add a small gusset as you describe 3. If that looks wonky, make it a separate attachment as you describe. I should note that I always create a first sleeve for someone as a mockup, which I baste into the armhole and fit on the body, so it would be easy to test various options. I try not to cut into my my real fabric for the sleeves till I know where I'm going. I will cut with impunity on body pieces, but I have found so many ways to screw up sleeves, I'd rather make my mistakes on something I don't mind wasting. And then it saves me time in the long run. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 16:17:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HLHVwx020769 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:17:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HLHMaw029429; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HLGE4O069384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HLG03N004292; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HLFtKt004094 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:15:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:15:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:15:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c618d0$05ddbd40$0400a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:15:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 21:15:49.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[3079BD00:01C61BAB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD5EE2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just recived a copy of Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1. It is quite a bit larger than I thgouhg it would be. It has lots of things I can use but it isn't what i expected. I may resell it on eBay or amazon.com. It will help with the Mother Ginger costume but not the other Renaissance costumes which are earlier periods. It's quite a disappointment to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > Contact Disneyland's costume dept. A few years ago, we saw the "Mulan" > parade, which had actors in very tall motorized "mini floats" (for lack of > a > better term). The costumes were gorgeous and about 10-12 feet tall. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kathy Hoover > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:37 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > > >>>> sharon@collierfam.com 01/13/06 1:44 AM >>> >>It seems that the person who played "Mother M" in that picture is a >>guy. That would really help, because they really are larger and >>stronger >>(usually) and so can drag a heavy contraption more easily. > > Yes, I know--and more often than not Mother Ginger *is* a guy--just for > the > comedy factor. We had wanted to use a guy-- we were trying to get a local > celebrity, like a DJ--but the Artistic Director nixed that idea, too. > (Can > you tell we had many artistic differances?) So it ended up being Clara's > mother, Mrs. Stahlbaum, who had no more to do after Act I was over (and > who, by the way, just happens to be my daughter. This production was the > 20th anniversary of the first time the company did Nutcracker. Twenty > years > ago, Gretchen was Clara--now she came back to play her own mother!) > > >Also, extra height on the part of the actor means extra head room > underneath. > > Well, remember Gretchen was sitting on top of a 4-foot ladder--she was the > eqivalent of about a 7' person anyway! We need whatever device they use > to > drive parade floats around! > > Kathy > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kathy Hoover > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:15 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > > > Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, > > I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an > extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, > but > only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is > what > we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first > on > my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top > of > a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform > on > wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled > up > the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could > around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders > attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then > we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly > connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she > wore > an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The > size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our > theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' > and > also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on > stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had > been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to > dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. > It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got > through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. > > You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom > row > being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its > shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put > crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals > from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging > under > the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 > feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you > get > it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect > the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't > come up with a better answer in the time we had left. > > You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a > stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this > one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest > problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop > space > in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the > Mother Ginger costume you saw? > > http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000 > > 174 > > I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my > absolute favorite! A house for all the children! > > One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did > she > just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she > completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any > other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle > once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different > method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all > fours! > > Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, > Thanks, > Kathy > > > >>>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> > Hi Becky, > > My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M > Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. > You > said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be > similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to > create > the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and > hold > the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a > bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come > out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the > two > together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift > heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to > that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress > goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. > > We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that > their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about > that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing > the costume and it "glides" across the stage. > > I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if > you'd like to see them. > > HTH, > ~mary > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 > From: "Becky" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the > Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the > hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the > first > > of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a > pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the > pictures I've found have been very helpful. > Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how > to > > make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It > has > to be large for that character. > > > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 18:18:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HNIDGw024674 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:18:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HNHpxV013902; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:18:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HNH3xF090705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HNGuhp023947; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HNGhph023746 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 085412E47C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:16:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] warming a castle Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:16:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:18:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD7B2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The key word is "a" rainy day. I have found that the longer you have a fire going indoors the warmer it gets furthest from the fire. It is most likely that they may have had the fires going in their version of 24/7. De -----Original Message----- A number of years ago we visited Cothele House in Cornwall on a cold rainy April day. It's a granite and slate Tudorish house with fancy woodwork and lots of tapestries on the walls. No electric lights, no central heating. There was a blazing fire in the great hall fireplace, but unless one was standing quite near the fire, it didn't seem to help much. Dark and damp and chilly, although it was at least out of the wind. All those layers of woolen clothes seemed like a good idea. http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-cotehele Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 18:56:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HNu1rt025050 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:56:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0HNtp9c008134; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HNtSNl097602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HNtPvC060811; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:55:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bellerophon.concentric.com (bellerophon.concentric.com [207.155.248.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HNtJSA060707 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by bellerophon.concentric.com id SAA08489; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:55:18 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200601172355.SAA08489@bellerophon.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:55:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200601171436.k0HEaSKL018919@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0HNtJSA060707 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stockings on a frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:55:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD8407.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Not quite right. Lee, who may or may not have been a Reverend, invented an honest to goodness knitting "Machine", not just a peg frame. It's amazing just how complicated the machine was. His machine knit flat. It was not a latch hook machine like modern ones. I don't know how far back a circular stocking knitting machine goes. The frame knitters could be circular or flat but the gauge was coarse. There have been no extant knitting frames found from before 1600, darn it. But there is mention of a limit on the number of frames that could be utilized in a shop. Seems to be the best and/or only reference to knitting frames within SCA period. Julie ---- wrote: > > The frame was invented by Reverend Lee in the late 16thC and > presented to Queen Elizabeth I for a patent. The story goes that she > refused, based on the fear it would put hand knitters out of > business. She did suggest that he should refine it to make fine-knit > silks. > > Lee died in poverty and his brother took the frame to France and > developed it further. So it was probably through the 17thC that > framework stockings began to be made in any quantity. By the early > 18th century, framework stockings were known, and handknits were > still being made. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 19:01:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I011l8025095 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:01:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I00r8s010706; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:00:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0HNtSMu097601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HNtPJL060810; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:55:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HNtJnj060651 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d2.3670a0bc (58550) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:55:05 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:00:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD8535.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Proper ones are still produced today on original forties and fifties machines. And are not cheap!! Cheaper ones are available too, made with the seam stitched in. My nana had an old mending set that consisted of coloured matches with a special coating that mended the seam by melting it together (was quite hard to get right apparently). And when my boyfriend's nana died, and I inherited all her sewing kits, (some fabulous stuff in them), there were a couple of thread mending compacts, with all sorts of different shades of tan thread - so you could match it to the stocking. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 19:15:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I0Fc4J025194 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I0FUTI018272; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I02q4d098905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HKbdtX065441; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-3.paradise.net.nz (bm-3a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HImixc050941 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-3.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IT900JAD2X6QR@linda-3.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:48:42 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-146-3.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.146.3]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A3816A70FF for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:48:41 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:48:58 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] To whiten "natural" linen In-reply-to: <7d.785bf1b3.30fe6f25@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43CD3C1A.5030309@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: <7d.785bf1b3.30fe6f25@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD88A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:46:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: > > A wash with some ammonia and a good sunning whitens linen somewhat. A > little bleach is usually OK too. > > > > But DON'T use ammonia and bleach together!!!! No-- sorry-- I should have said "but not in the same wash". -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 19:39:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I0dDiw025365 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I0d5CK029970; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I0WqpJ004211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I08YI4072925; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I08NWG072709 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:06:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43CD86B2.2020006@msn.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:07:14 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger References: <000401c618d0$05ddbd40$0400a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2006 00:06:56.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[181CEF80:01C61BC3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD8E29.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I forget which one is POF 1 and 2. Is it Patterns of Fashion: 1660-1860 (Patterns of Fashion) or is it Patterns of Fashion: The Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women C1560-1620 I could probably go look at my own, but am too lazy. I see that they have the dates in the title but are not labeled as Volume I and II on the covers.... Sg * *Becky wrote: > I just recived a copy of Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1. It is > quite a bit larger than I thgouhg it would be. It has lots of things I > can use but it isn't what i expected. I may resell it on eBay or > amazon.com. It will help with the Mother Ginger costume but not the > other Renaissance costumes which are earlier periods. > It's quite a disappointment to me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 20:04:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I14sBK025585 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:04:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I14kmq010340; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:04:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I14FlG009713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I146tW017306; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I142LX017213 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:04:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-146.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.146]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2006 09:03:59 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43CD95AA.4010201@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:11:06 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen question - counts? 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I'm placing a large wholesale order - thought I'd ask here first before straining relations with the supplier. So you think that if I was asking about superfine linen - the 1400 count would be the one to go for? I think its Czech linen. Thanks, Aylwen E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > >> I'm about to place an order for handkerchief linen, but instead of >> getting a weight I was given this: 1000,1200,1300,1400 count cambric >> linen. Can anyone enlighten me as to which one would be the really >> fine linen? > > > Where are you ordering from? I'd think that the higher the number, > the finer the linen, but it's that 'cambric' that catches my > attention: I think I want some! > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 20:21:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I1LP4O025751 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:21:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I1LEHN019090; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I1FhkG011048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I1Ffaa024399; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I1FbWS024325 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.229.4cfb775 (4560) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:15:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <229.4cfb775.30fef0b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:15:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? 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In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:26:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: I would cut the sleeve with a shaped flare at the cuff to go over the hand, not the add on pieces. I like the look better, personally, without that extra seaming. Indeed. And lining the extension so it can be turned up if you want is also an excellent idea. You might want to add some light interfacing from the wrist down. This will keep the part over the hand from crinkling up too much and help hold the shape if you turn it up. BTW....I love the look of the over this kind of sleeve. And it is a pain to wear....it's supposed to be. Like dragging hems in front, it's one of those signs of leisure. One of those "yes I have servants who do everything for me" messages. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 21:40:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2eS01027602 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:40:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2eKSp027144; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I2d9vQ020731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I2d6hV073744; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I2d1iQ073675 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.82.245] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ez3Dw-0001ow-4u for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:39:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:36:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. 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At 7:35 PM +0000 1/17/06, Laura Dickerson wrote: > A number of years ago we visited Cothele House in Cornwall on a >cold rainy April day. It's a granite and slate Tudorish house with >fancy woodwork and lots of tapestries on the walls. No electric >lights, no central heating. There was a blazing fire in the great >hall fireplace, but unless one was standing quite near the fire, it >didn't seem to help much. Dark and damp and chilly, although it was >at least out of the wind. From the web site I note that this house is closed during the winter, from November through late March, and so doesn't really answer the question of how warm it would be if it was lived in all year round (including the fire places going at least all winter, possibly all year round) -- especially not when visited in April only a few weeks after opening again. (Another consideration is, even when it is open, is it kept heated when tourists aren't there, or are the fires only going during business hours?) >All those layers of woolen clothes seemed >like a good idea. I have no doubt this is true -- indeed, it is still true in Britain, in my experience, even with central heating... Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 21:41:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2fXVr027611 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:41:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2fPKT018515; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:41:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I2duWK020816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I2dtLC074216; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HLgSIt030145 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.c8.6ecf577d (16097) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d34 (mblk-d34.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.218]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee143cd6384241; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:37:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:37:08 -0500 From: tearoses@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:37:07 -0500 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.218 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:41:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDAAD5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I know nothing about this period: http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it made of? Did it have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? Also, the skirt appears to be divided in the center front. Is it open to reveal a petticoat, or is this a split skirt or culottes? Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 21:42:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2g1vP027616 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2frjc027964; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I2fUI2021133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I2fUkn075361; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I1SHUE032432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0I1SDFE021552 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:28:16 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:30:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7d.785bf1b3.30fe6f25@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ammonia and Bleach or Vinegar and Bleach X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:41:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDAAF1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Once when I was having a nasty bout of Athlete's foot, over the phone my mother mentioned that my father, a mail-carrier, soaked the affected foot in bleach. Another friend said they had great luck soaking in vinegar... I figured well, then the combination should be "killer". It was. I hope never to have a chemical burn on any part of my anatomy that bad again! Of course after I spent 2 weeks with my foot wound in bandages and ointment, my mother, horrified, told me that the soaking my father did was with a FEW Drops of bleach to a quart of water. I'd used about a cup of straight bleach and a cup of vinegar. My doctor told me I was lucky that a burned foot was all I had since the combination could have been lethal and burned my lungs. Powerful stuff bleach! Terrible when mixed with many other common household products! Do NOT use it on toilets if it could mix with anything other than water! Wanda > > But DON'T use ammonia and bleach together!!!! > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 22:11:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3BXZ3028024 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:11:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3BKqO010373; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:11:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I35bej023465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:05:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I35YNY090781; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0I35Vbc090696 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:05:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB65NDMA2UR99J for (sender ); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEYELDUF; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:04:34 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:41:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] warming a castle Message-ID: <20060117.204153.-143686369.3.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 12-13,16-24,26-68 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 25:12:1549801757 X-MAIL-INFO: 53252514749dc104b99d80b960b1f4b4b46d1d1994c4196d5d117dd115c4298525556020ade4ade1c059e1c0b0f0c0b0856079b90549bd4db9298075bd1029fd950d2964e9812035209170b0e5c020f0 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn71IA9BJHoZf4l4E3duIhwM99FbiTJevoOQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:11:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDB1D8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think we are failing to take a very important issue into consideration- acclimatization (sp?). I live near Chicago and after one of our bakingly hot summers, the first time the temperature dips down near freezing (especially if it's a sudden drop) I feel the cold quite a bit. By the end of the winter season , I am laughing at the idea of 32F being cold. Earlier this week we had a day that was up above 45F and there were people out in just tee-shirts and jeans. I also recently saw a piece on one of the educational channels about a woman who trained for years to swim in extremely cold water and eventually was able to swim between Alaska and Siberia in water that the experts say should have killed her in 20 minutes- she was able to swim in it for over 2 hours and come out none the worse for the experience. I realize this is an extreme example but it shows how well the human body can adjust to various temperatures. My opinion is that if you lived in the space all year round, not only would a constantly burning fire raise the average temp, YOU'D BE USED TO IT!!!!! Just my temperature tuppence, Karen Seamstrix On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:36:55 -0800 "Sharon L. Krossa" writes: > At 7:35 PM +0000 1/17/06, Laura Dickerson wrote: > > A number of years ago we visited Cothele House in Cornwall on a > >cold rainy April day. It's a granite and slate Tudorish house > with > >fancy woodwork and lots of tapestries on the walls. No electric > >lights, no central heating. There was a blazing fire in the great > >hall fireplace, but unless one was standing quite near the fire, > it > >didn't seem to help much. Dark and damp and chilly, although it > was > >at least out of the wind. > > From the web site I note that this house is closed during the > winter, > from November through late March, and so doesn't really answer the > question of how warm it would be if it was lived in all year round > (including the fire places going at least all winter, possibly all > year round) -- especially not when visited in April only a few weeks > > after opening again. > > (Another consideration is, even when it is open, is it kept heated > when tourists aren't there, or are the fires only going during > business hours?) > > >All those layers of woolen clothes seemed > >like a good idea. > > I have no doubt this is true -- indeed, it is still true in Britain, > > in my experience, even with central heating... > > Sharon > -- > Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org > Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: > Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 22:18:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3IA3D028120 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:18:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3HrJU013334; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I3HKXK024858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3HJv6098626; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3HFMJ098519 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1223691532 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:17:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:18:26 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th century purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDB361.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've been looking at recreating some accessories from the 17th century, and I found this great site for purses. http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1600.html I'm interested in numbers 3 and 6. #3 looks like it's made from a flat rectangle folded in half. Would that be correct? Could it be open on top, or would there be some sort of fastener? Does anyone have and idea what size something like this would be? #6 looks like it is made from 4 half-football shapes, probably lined, with drawstrings. There is a similar bag on the following page, (http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1700.html) heavily embroidered. Can anyone tell me what kind of embroidery that is? It kind of looks like cross stitch to me. Yet another in that style here: http://www.witneyantiques.com/flat.items/embroidery17lg.htm But I can't make out the type of stitches used. I suck at hand work, but I can do basic stitches if I know what they are. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 22:28:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3S7dK028299 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:28:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3RvKt018020; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:28:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I3RUKY026878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3RSPU006221; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:27:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0I3RPsF006092 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 61273 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2006 03:27:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jq3fUn/tBjPsglCP/0aeh//WT+jbp76NQfPm/TwV6/xIkZcqDxeoO5/gnA/v2IKTb1yR92xKXbjHYXizDtUIpvpDFJ2FueRjxEmQKWNlqseYXUvIorXcUth7ukL736iemsoK27wjJjG9zwRNFlreyGKu3qg4QMD1KZgX0MCOL50= ; Message-ID: <20060118032720.61271.qmail@web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.47.169] by web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:27:20 PST Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:27:20 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] warming a castle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:28:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDB5BD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, I don't have any experience heating a stone castle, but when we lived near Diamond Lake (in the Cascade Mountains of the Pacific Northwest) we heated a 3 bedroom house with only one wood fired stove. There were still snow patches around in August!! The only way to be reasonably comfortable was to NEVER let the fire go completely out and wear lots of layers. If we did have occasion to leave for more than a day or so, the core of the house would be so cold that it would take a week or more to warm back up. The metal of the stove would radiate for about half a day, but more than that and you were sunk. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 22:45:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3jnBF028561 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:45:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3jeAO026421; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:45:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I3iXvr029900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3iSRc019416; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:44:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3iMFB019314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I5NjrE030589 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:23:45 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seamed nylons Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:48:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601172248.58157.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:45:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDB9E4.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sunday 15 January 2006 5:06 pm, monica spence wrote: > Fredrick's and Victoria's Secrets sell seamed nylons. However, they are not > cheap! (I think that they were about $20 US) Frederick's were a lot cheaper than $20 US a pair the last time I bought them there--more like $12 US, I think, but that was 7 or 8 years ago at least. You've probably got the price right for VS, though--I'd forgotten about them. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 22:58:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3wfth028801 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:58:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3wU8l032466; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:58:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I3unwl031730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3ulsU026807; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3uiFi026711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I5a6cj030938 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:36:07 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:01:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601172301.19410.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:58:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDBCE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tuesday 17 January 2006 4:37 pm, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I know > nothing about this period: > > http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg > > Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it made of? Did it > have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? Men often wore similar sashes as badges of rank in the 17th century, but they wore them over the shoulder and tied near the hip, not around the waist. I'd guess hers is more for ornament rather than anything else. > > Also, the skirt appears to be divided in the center front. Is it open to > reveal a petticoat, or is this a split skirt or culottes? I think it's just a deep fold. If it was a split skirt for riding, there's be no need for the train (which arguably could be used for covering the legs while riding sidesaddle). One usually either had the extra length for a sidesaddle skirt, or a split skirt, but not both. I'm also not aware of any use of split skirts for women riding in this period, though I admit it's not the period I know best. Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 23:02:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I42AA3028875 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:02:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I41qeS001659; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:02:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I40pdD032130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I40oc2029174; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0I40joe029136 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 26647 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 20:00:45 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26623, pid: 26624, t: 2.8248s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1239 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 20:00:42 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060117194412.022fbba0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:00:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century purses In-Reply-To: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> References: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:02:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDBDB0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 07:18 PM 1/17/2006, Dawn wrote: >I've been looking at recreating some accessories from the 17th >century, and I found this great site for purses. > >http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1600.html > >I'm interested in numbers 3 and 6. #3 looks like it's made from a >flat rectangle folded in half. Would that be correct? Could it be >open on top, or would there be some sort of fastener? Does anyone >have and idea what size something like this would be? There are four similar purses (dated first third of the 17th c.) in the V & A's book "Embroidery in Britain from 1200 to 1750"; they are all on linen canvas, worked with silk and silver thread, and one has seed pearls. They are items numbered 56 through 59. They all have drawstrings as well as handles. And they are all about 5" x 4" (plus or minus half an inch in each dimension). The stitches are described as Gobelin, plaited Gobelin, tent, and plaited braid (various combinations on each purse). One of them is only tent stitches. >#6 looks like it is made from 4 half-football shapes, probably >lined, with drawstrings. There is a similar bag on the following >page, (http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1700.html) heavily >embroidered. Can anyone tell me what kind of embroidery that is? It >kind of looks like cross stitch to me. That one on the 1700 page looks like beading to me. >Yet another in that style here: >http://www.witneyantiques.com/flat.items/embroidery17lg.htm > >But I can't make out the type of stitches used. I suck at hand work, >but I can do basic stitches if I know what they are. If I were trying to make it I'd use tent stitch or very small cross-stitch on faille. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 23:14:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I4EU65029066 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:14:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I4ELmb007790; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:14:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I4DfWK033526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4DdUs036545; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4DZKq036473 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC97270E7 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4167F934 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:12:22 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:12:22 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE; [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:12:21 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B072836E4@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE; [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Thread-Index: AcYb2iXtcFwSQa4TREGn7o2Brr29lAACiH0Q From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2006 04:12:22.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[61585F00:01C61BE5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0I4DZKq036473 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:14:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDC09D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! > http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg > > Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it > made of? Did it have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? > > Also, the skirt appears to be divided in the center front. Is > it open to reveal a petticoat, or is this a split skirt or culottes? I know very little about this time period (my initial reaction to the picture was that it was a masque costume rather then a hunting outfit!) but in 1692 women were still riding side-saddle, so it's unlikely the skirt is a coulotte. It's possible the skirt is lop-sided the way some of the Victorian riding dresses were (to drape prettily while in the saddle). But as I said, I know very little of this time period, so I don't know if they were doing that yet. It looks to me like the outfit is attempting to ape a man's outfit, and the sash would not be part of a man's outfit at this time, so I suspect it's "just for pretty". That's my two cents. Have fun! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 23:21:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I4LiKD029223 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:21:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I4LUBp011138; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:21:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I4KjV9034650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4Ki2d040794; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:20:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4KLOo040469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I5xigp031594 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:59:44 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century purses Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:24:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601172324.57322.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:21:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDC24A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tuesday 17 January 2006 10:18 pm, Dawn wrote: > I've been looking at recreating some accessories from the 17th century, > and I found this great site for purses. > > http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1600.html > > I'm interested in numbers 3 and 6. #3 looks like it's made from a flat > rectangle folded in half. Would that be correct? That would be one way to do it; fold the rectangle up and seam up the right and left sides. > Could it be open on > top, or would there be some sort of fastener? Does anyone have and idea > what size something like this would be? I've seen pictures of very similar 16th c pouches that were, in fact, open on top, and this one looks as though it is too. As for "did it have a fastener," your example looks as though it might have a drawstring--look at the top left-hand corner. Size? Not very big. They were "sweetbags"--i.e., a kind of period sachet that you carried about to ward off nasty odors. They were popular as gifts. Here's one from the Boston Museum of Fine Arts--theirs is 9 cm by 9 cm --yes, that less than 4 inches on a side: http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=true&id=119729 Here's a site that describes one method of making one. http://www.bellomarisco.com/sweetbag.php Just for fun, here's a picture of one given to Elizabeth I as a New Year's gift--sadly, no size information is provided: http://www.nmm.ac.uk/site/request/setTemplate:singlecontent/contentTypeA/conWebDoc/contentId/6089/viewPage/3 > #6 looks like it is made from 4 half-football shapes, probably lined, > with drawstrings. I think you're right, though I think of it as more like a Viking cap with a drawstring around the edge. :-) > There is a similar bag on the following page, > (http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1700.html) heavily > embroidered. Can anyone tell me what kind of embroidery that is? It kind > of looks like cross stitch to me. > > Yet another in that style here: > http://www.witneyantiques.com/flat.items/embroidery17lg.htm > > But I can't make out the type of stitches used. I suck at hand work, but > I can do basic stitches if I know what they are. > It looks more like petit point to me, or even tapestry weave, but I'm no expert at handwork either. Sorry! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 17 23:31:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I4Vaf8029378 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:31:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I4ToY2014962; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I4TDfS036144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4TCga046452; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4T63h046383 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fDhqYXci083woQlqD7H9mXpGz9go80sJoO6pPQqLc032Pu9bSSuTM4pzwNzu34+1; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.144.197] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ez4wT-0000aV-MZ for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:29:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9235BD28-FC2D-4A7E-BC5E-9AAAB057B2AB@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:29:39 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a51f2cf8395b55f39eca94aef92ce2fc9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.144.197 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:31:31 -0500 (EST) On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:37 PM, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I > know nothing about this period: > > http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg > > Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it made > of? Did it have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? > > Also, the skirt appears to be divided in the center front. Is it > open to reveal a petticoat, or is this a split skirt or culottes? Women's riding habits (and I'm guessing this hunting outfit falls in the same genre) were often inspired by men's military dress. I'm guessing that if you looked at late 17th c. men's military outfits, they'd include a sash of this sort as a belt. SImilarly, the front skirt closure looks like it's a take-off on a frogged military coat. My instinct says it would be unlikely to be a split skirt at that date. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:28:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGSodP007589 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:28:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGSgNU017340; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:28:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IGRUBC035732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IGRPCS017201; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0IFxOjW088583 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 78859 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2006 15:59:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xMcpHjcf24I7hnJ5pOXtMcS/xcnU08IgdLoWt57VZ6ed2EdCXfSQ0iUsvDSa+0eASnzmgshSgWWJPkuh6J0G3aYRKqRSlGUvA1TiVrSnzbHMvrCN2Dj8pm5pKsIulzHtR3fZhdililHHM1g8FsZDi+xG52LsZI1a46Ss/9QBhzs= ; Message-ID: <20060118155918.78857.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:59:18 EST Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:59:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE6CBA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! For those whom were asking for it, here it is. The Livrustkammaren Journal of the Royal Armoury Stockholm, Vol. IV:8-9 Stureskjortorna by Anna-Maja Nylen. It's a BIG file, I have zipped it, but be prepared. I have scanned everything LARGE so that details are preserved. http://outoftheattic.homeip.net/venetian_costuming.html I'll leave it up for a week or so then take it down. If anyone misses it while catching up to email, email me off list and I'll upload it again. Now that the file has been scanned, I can get on translating. That will take me some time, I'll get back to you on it. :-) Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:38:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGcBMd007760 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:38:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IG5twC027384; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:05:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IG5Mxq031270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IG5Ie5094894; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IG4nFk094292 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e2.4babf6fa (3956) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.4babf6fa.30ffbfda@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:59:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:05:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE6763.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The skirt is not split. But it may be seamed in the CF...and embroidered to show it is. If she were to ride, it would be side saddle. [Imagine wearing a train like that out in the country hunting!] The sash [looks like a brocaded or embroidered silk] is in imitation of men's wear....like the whole outfit. She even wears a man's wig The coat [a justicorps] has some interesting touches. For instance, the cuffs are obviously "real"...really turned up and held in place with that buttoned tab thing you can clearly see. She is also wearing her stock [a long fine linen strip wound around the neck] with the ends pulled through the button hole of her justicorps, a style known as a Steinkirk. It's impossible to tell if the "waistcoat" is really a garment or just some type of stomacher pinned to the corset. Since everything else about this outfit looks like it came from her husband's closet, I'd go for a real waistcoat. But either way is acceptable. She has a gun in one hand, but what is in the other? 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Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:48:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGmXw5007952 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:48:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I61GH3005434; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:01:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I2faV9021170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I2faB9075450; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I1jidP043212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0I1aEfN029282 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:36:14 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43CD9DC6.8080303@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:45:42 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] warming a castle/thermal mass References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:01:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CDD9AC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Laura Dickerson wrote: > There was a blazing fire in the great hall fireplace, > but unless one was standing quite near the fire, it didn't seem to help > much. Dark and damp and chilly, although it was at least out of the > wind. All those layers of woolen clothes seemed like a good idea. Stone has a really high thermal mass, and you'd have to have a fire going for more than 24 hours, I think. I base this guess on my experience with my house -- it's a single-floor house heated by hot water piping in the concrete slab foundation. To warm the house by two degrees F, it takes about four hours of hot water in the slab. On the plus side, it takes about as long to *cool* two degrees. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Cranach's Venus with a machine gun: Vengeful Venus Day t-shirt & etc. at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:48:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGmXw9007952 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:48:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2ep5r021734; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I2e7vr020870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:40:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I2e77e074398; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:40:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0HMDDIK061276 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:13:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82838 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2006 22:13:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ijO7z3a39rs1KxIs5VfSY4xVzNr8EsQaKDUUrSC3KAIebHuOsYZnbw4Gqvwva0pEZIQ0PZOZA2OAd98vKhVbMY5ur4Qd7Ey1vIKDZyY2XhBqjhFnhkKH1kBu/SpJv6n2J7tPH+QY8YrFscEKou09XuwwGsVfZisGfhSojus1DEE= ; Message-ID: <20060117221312.82836.qmail@web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.157.124] by web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:13:12 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:13:12 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: warming a castle - Cotehele House X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:40:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDAAB3.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Cotehele House is a lovely National Trust site which we visited many times while we were living on the UK mainland, and our oldest son was posted to a Seaking Squadron at RNAS Culdrose. I do agree with you - Cornwall in Summer is lovely, but for the rest of the year, I'd leave it to the Cornish Folk to "enjoy" the rain, and the cold, and the winds. Yours in Service, Matthew ["Messire Matthew Baker", Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War") ] aka. - Julian Wilson, - late-medieval Re-enactor; Herald, Historian, & Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the Island of "olde" Jersey's only mediæval living-history Group] Meet us at < www.dukesleopards.org >" [input] - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:48:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGmXw7007952 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:48:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I3k3Ol001914; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:46:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I3irqx029958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3iran019658; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:44:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I3ioof019574 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EE291532 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:44:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CDB9FA.6020804@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:46:02 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] warming a castle References: <20060118032720.61271.qmail@web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060118032720.61271.qmail@web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:46:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CDB9FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! REBECCA BURCH wrote: > Well, I don't have any experience heating a stone > castle, but when we lived near Diamond Lake (in the > Cascade Mountains of the Pacific Northwest) we heated > a 3 bedroom house with only one wood fired stove. Fireplaces are a poor way to heat a room. Most of your heat goes up the chimney and it takes a tremendous amount of wood to keep a room warm. Thus, the Franklin stove invented in the 1700's. It sits in the room, not in the wall, and radiates heat in all directions instead of just one. Much more efficient than a fireplace, it uses a lot less wood to heat the same space. It is safer too, as it encloses the flames so you don't burn your skirts or have toddlers crawling into it. A lot of cast-off clothing ended up in those stoves over the decades. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:53:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGrA2A008035 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:53:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I965A6026607; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I941Ac068334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I93uLI005330; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:03:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0I93pO9005265 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26955 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2006 09:03:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iCCTeF2e/t8RS2eX700AJw0ipZs1r9Zxwl5b38LoTw8uyu3a/yOoeMBSvoSVszk3q94nktUF5zKyaefZfxH0SXEdIfkvmAVPIliwQURH66FnrjG0r1Jp1LQAkx1cL+cvXWwrbOcxli7AOEoan5GPKFzT5xF3v15DP28M/eAfyG8= ; Message-ID: <20060118090350.26953.qmail@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:03:50 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:03:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060117192321.01dab670@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:06:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE04FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > When I make cuffed sleeves, I simply cut them on the > bias, and add > enough length at the wrist to turn up to make the > cuff. I fully line > the sleeves. That way you can wear them knuckle > length *and* turned > back. I don't think I left them open at the wrist > either - the bias > cut gives quite a bit, enough to slip your hand > through unless you > have very big bones. Hope that makes sense. Do you cut the lining on the bias as well? How would cutting on the bias affect the rest of the sleeve, in comparison to the "usual" on the grain cutting? Also, do you cut your sleeves on the true bias or on a slight bias? I'd prefer not to cut the sleeve on true bias, mainly as that wastes a lot of expensive fabric which can be used for other things. /Lena ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:53:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGrA2C008035 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:53:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I4w2vo018357; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:58:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I4uV2i039479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4uSUO062973; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I4uPP4062948 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:56:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.105] (acty1105.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.105]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A5C5C4C0 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:56:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43CDCA72.1070900@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:56:18 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:58:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CDCADA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi. You may want to correspond with Kass McGann. She has worked on a similar suit which came out rather nicely. The sash was usually silk with metallic lace or tassel edgeing (regular woolen cloth for the common soldier). It was meant to represent a sash of military rank or a baldric upon which the sword was hung (if it had been hung over the shoulder). In this case it was decorative, meant to recreate mannish dress in a woman. The overdress also appears to be cut like the coat, open at the front revealing the real skirt underneath. There is no indication in women's clothing of this period, "mannish" or otherwise, of divided skirts or cullottes. All in all, a ladies set of clothing perhaps made en suite with that of her husband, perhaps an officer. Perhaps a set of clothing meant to simulate military dress, perhaps for patriotic reasons, but the caption appears to mention hunting dress and a masque, so, for all we know, it might be a theatrical costume meant to represent Diana the Huntress as imagined by someone in the late 17th Cent. for a play. Good Luck, Mike T. tearoses@aol.com wrote: >Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I know nothing about this period: > >http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg > >Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it made of? Did it have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? > >Also, the skirt appears to be divided in the center front. Is it open to reveal a petticoat, or is this a split skirt or culottes? > >Thanks! > >Tea Rose >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:56:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGu377008081 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:56:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I0Gt9e022117; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I02q4f098905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HKXqFA061580; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f25.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HKXcrI061225 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:33:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:33:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060117144228.2598.qmail@web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:33:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 20:33:29.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[46CA61A0:01C61BA5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:16:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD88F7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I would cut the sleeve with a shaped flare at the cuff to go over the hand, not the add on pieces. I like the look better, personally, without that extra seaming. But that's just my opinion! take it for what it's worth;-) Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Lena >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" >Subject: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? >Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:42:28 +0000 (GMT) > > Hi, > > I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a >modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness. It's >basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck opening and >tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are supposed to go down over the >knuckles with a small flare, which IIRC are a later development. > > Now, for my problem. What would be the easiest/best/authentic way of >cutting the sleeves? I'm thinking either to cut the sleeve in one piece, >with a flare at the end, and then insert a gore in the middle (i.e. where >the thumb is when wearing the dress) to make the flare symmetrical, OR make >an ordinary sleeve first and then add a (two?) curved piece for the cuff. > > Naturally, I'm behind schedule, so quick replies are very appreciated. > > /Lena (38 buttonholes to go... *shudder*) > > > > >--------------------------------- >To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! >Security Centre. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:56:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGu375008081 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:56:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I2fKNB017152; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:41:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I2eatv020953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I2eaDM074800; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I0GvuV079818 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-146.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.146]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2006 08:16:49 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43CD8A9D.3040704@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:23:57 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen question - counts? 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I'm placing a large wholesale order - thought I'd ask here first before straining relations with the supplier. So you think that if I was asking about superfine linen - the 1400 count would be the one to go for? I think its Czech linen. Thanks, Aylwen E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > >> I'm about to place an order for handkerchief linen, but instead of >> getting a weight I was given this: 1000,1200,1300,1400 count cambric >> linen. Can anyone enlighten me as to which one would be the really >> fine linen? > > > Where are you ordering from? I'd think that the higher the number, > the finer the linen, but it's that 'cambric' that catches my > attention: I think I want some! > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:57:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGviqD008098 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:57:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IETJLB013626; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:29:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IESXLa018589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IESRbf010951; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IESMN8010854 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:28:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.316529; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:28:02 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0IES1B21239.; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:28:01 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:28:01 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:27:41 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] warming a castle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0IESMN8010854 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:29:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE50C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Precisely what I meant when referring to our cottage at the museum. The fire was lit each day as we arrived; in real life it would have been going all day and perhaps, banked down, all night, so the fireplace structure would have absorbed some of the heat (though a lot went up the chimney). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org 18/01/2006 02:36 >>> wrote: From the web site I note that this house is closed during the winter, from November through late March, and so doesn't really answer the question of how warm it would be if it was lived in all year round (including the fire places going at least all winter, possibly all year round) -- especially not when visited in April only a few weeks after opening again. (Another consideration is, even when it is open, is it kept heated when tourists aren't there, or are the fires only going during business hours?) ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 11:57:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGviqP008098 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:57:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I7E4nA025236; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I78gco056922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:08:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I78chL040927; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I78Yts040889 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08306 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:37:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:37:29 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ammonia and Bleach or Vinegar and Bleach In-Reply-To: <01b801c61bf0$da288f30$6400a8c0@Penny> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:14:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CDEABC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Also don't mix bleach with Lime-Away. My husband was cleaning his > bathroom last year. He picked up what he thought was an empty > unmarked spray bottle, and poured bleach into it.... Thankfully > because I got my husband to the hospital quickly, he did not have a > permanent damage to his body. I can tell you that by the time we got > to the hospital, his pores were excreting chlorine. Wow! I just sent that post to my husband as a cautionary tale. The big question: Does your husband now use this as an excuse to get out of cleaning the bathroom? Seriously, I'm relived to hear he didn't suffer permanent consequences. That was a narrow escape! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhQo008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IGAgDA029608; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:10:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IG4klB031141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IG4gvU094266; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:04:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IG4ced094134 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.66.6703ebdf (3956) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <66.6703ebdf.30ffc10a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:04:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:10:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE6882.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/18/2006 4:18:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: The caption says that the outfit is "with sash and mask", So THAT'S what is in the other hand! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhQq008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IG2e4l025809; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IG26fa030616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IG1wNL091315; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:01:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IG1m4m090991 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:01:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1ea.4b5cf80a (3956) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:01:37 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.4b5cf80a.30ffc061@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:01:37 EST Subject: Re: RE; [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE66A0.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/17/2006 11:14:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com writes: It looks to me like the outfit is attempting to ape a man's outfit, and the sash would not be part of a man's outfit at this time, so I suspect it's "just for pretty". Ahhhhh....but it would, or can be. Sometimes worn over the shoulder or sometimes around the waist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhQu008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IE8gkg004440; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:08:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IE87QM016776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IE7wHB096841; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:08:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IE7s2Z096765 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ABB40348; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:07:48 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 18 Jan 2006 09:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c61c38$c4351fc0$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <229.4cfb775.30fef0b2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:09:09 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:08:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE4BEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am finding this discussion of knuckle length sleeve discussion to be interesting. In other cultures of this same time period or fashion development, you can see a similar extra long sleeve in development. I am thinking of the 'hoof' cuff in northern Asia at the moment. The evolvement of the Mongolian style seems to deal with the same question of cutting the sleeve with cuff and then shaping it to fit arm and hand; or to make the sleeve and add the hoof shape...to line either extension in same or contrasting color and such. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? > > In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:26:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: > > I would cut the sleeve with a shaped flare at the cuff to go over the hand, > not the add on pieces. I like the look better, personally, without that > extra seaming. > > > > Indeed. And lining the extension so it can be turned up if you want is also > an excellent idea. You might want to add some light interfacing from the wrist > down. This will keep the part over the hand from crinkling up too much and > help hold the shape if you turn it up. > > BTW....I love the look of the over this kind of sleeve. And it is a pain to > wear....it's supposed to be. Like dragging hems in front, it's one of those > signs of leisure. One of those "yes I have servants who do everything for me" > messages. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhR4008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IBICll002912; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:18:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IBHbbH093229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IBHUeL081545; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IBHQmV081511 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:17:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:17:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century purses Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:17:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2006 11:17:24.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[C23D8260:01C61C20] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE23F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've been looking at one very much like purse #2! There is one almost identical in the V&A, different wording and different coloured leather. I wonder if it was a kit? Kelly/Estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century purses > I've been looking at recreating some accessories from the 17th century, > and I found this great site for purses. > > http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1600.html > > I'm interested in numbers 3 and 6. #3 looks like it's made from a flat > rectangle folded in half. Would that be correct? Could it be open on top, > or would there be some sort of fastener? Does anyone have and idea what > size something like this would be? > > #6 looks like it is made from 4 half-football shapes, probably lined, with > drawstrings. There is a similar bag on the following page, > (http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1700.html) heavily embroidered. > Can anyone tell me what kind of embroidery that is? It kind of looks like > cross stitch to me. > > Yet another in that style here: > http://www.witneyantiques.com/flat.items/embroidery17lg.htm > > But I can't make out the type of stitches used. I suck at hand work, but I > can do basic stitches if I know what they are. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhQw008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IEcTFF018033; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IEc2JU019584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IEc0xd017907; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IEbuhd017862 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2473c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.60]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 157215EE075 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:37:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004701c61c3c$c9372e10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century purses Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:38:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:38:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE52E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Dawn, I think nr 3 is open in the top. It would be made of two rectangles, and it would probably be lined. Nr. 6 is made of 4 parts. The heavily embroidered is made with cross stitches. The last one is difficult to explain. To me it seems to be made on a heavily ribbed silk. The coloured parts must just have ben stitched with whipstitches to fill out the areas where it has to be. Using the ribs as a guide. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century purses > I've been looking at recreating some accessories from the 17th century, > and I found this great site for purses. > > http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1600.html > > I'm interested in numbers 3 and 6. #3 looks like it's made from a flat > rectangle folded in half. Would that be correct? Could it be open on top, > or would there be some sort of fastener? Does anyone have and idea what > size something like this would be? > > #6 looks like it is made from 4 half-football shapes, probably lined, with > drawstrings. There is a similar bag on the following page, > (http://www.museumofbagsandpurses.com/eng_1700.html) heavily embroidered. > Can anyone tell me what kind of embroidery that is? It kind of looks like > cross stitch to me. > > Yet another in that style here: > http://www.witneyantiques.com/flat.items/embroidery17lg.htm > > But I can't make out the type of stitches used. I suck at hand work, but I > can do basic stitches if I know what they are. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhRC008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I9gbfA005072; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:42:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I9g8Of079729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:42:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I9g2ow029906; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0I9fQBp029630 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 50561 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 09:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.48 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 09:41:24 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060118093534.01daeec0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:41:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? In-Reply-To: <20060118090350.26953.qmail@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060117192321.01dab670@127.0.0.1> <20060118090350.26953.qmail@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:42:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE0D8D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 09:03 18/01/2006, you wrote: >--- Suzi Clarke wrote: > > When I make cuffed sleeves, I simply cut them on the > > bias, and add > > enough length at the wrist to turn up to make the > > cuff. I fully line > > the sleeves. That way you can wear them knuckle > > length *and* turned > > back. I don't think I left them open at the wrist > > either - the bias > > cut gives quite a bit, enough to slip your hand > > through unless you > > have very big bones. Hope that makes sense. > >Do you cut the lining on the bias as well? How would >cutting on the bias affect the rest of the sleeve, in >comparison to the "usual" on the grain cutting? Yes, I cut the lining on the bias too. The sleeve fits and "gives" allowing movement. (I use Hunnisett patterns.) >Also, do you cut your sleeves on the true bias or on a >slight bias? I'd prefer not to cut the sleeve on true >bias, mainly as that wastes a lot of expensive fabric >which can be used for other things. I cut on the true bias. Depending on the shapes of your other pieces and the width of the fabric, you can often get the sleeves out of the left-overs - I am a really *mean* cutter, and seldom have much left over unless I have badly miscalculated in the first place. I have been known to "piece" garments, as was done in many earlier times, in order to keep fabric quantities small. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhRG008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I9H6b3030018; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I9GabF072102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I9GYod013555; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I9GU66013508 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.300127; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:16:12 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0I9GBw16435.; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:16:11 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:16:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:15:57 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0I9GU66013508 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:17:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE0792.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The caption says that the outfit is "with sash and mask", not that it is FOR a masque. Presumably the mask is the black thing in her right hand. In this period riding habits were often made with the upper half exactly like men's clothing - Pepys mentions it as a new fashion in the 1660s. Sashes were commonly worn by army officers earlier in the century, either round the waist or diagonally, and were worn by civilians to give themselves a dashing, military appearance. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhRI008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I9Lthf031458; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I9LGGi073906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I9LFaU016938; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0I9L95U016813 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88096 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2006 09:21:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m7c6Xlmn5aoYHdImxmtu+tn0tLB4/dapoV2vDvpLnH9VdxzlcO7rcToj5Vr7P82ynmAWG07KB5GnY6LpqwUP6wFk4cliUkJBQH7DVmVEr+Jmz5Ir3aotgSIwiZCvphiTG0KZZMO0PWpel0Cbkw/kmXoyO3PbwW7WeIAm6s1WKzk= ; Message-ID: <20060118092108.88094.qmail@web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:21:08 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:21:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:21:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE08B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- Robin Netherton wrote: > I haven't looked up your source, but do I gather > that you're saying the > source doesn't have knuckle-length sleeves, but > you're adding them because > you like the look for your purposes? That's right. The Bodleian 264 sleeves are tight and end at the wrist. I've seen images of knuckle length sleeves from later in the 14th century, but my notes from that lecture are safely tucked away somewhere in my office, so I can't get any details on time period and/or region. My plan was to make the sleeves knuckle length ('cos I find it stylish), and later fix the dress up for re-enactment/living history purposes (haven't decided yet on removing cuffs for an earlier fashion or fixing the neckline for a later fashion). > If I were doing them for my purposes, I'd follow > clues from my source. > However, > If I were doing them just for show, and not worried > about > historically correct methods, I'd try the following: > > 1. Build in the flare to the sleeve > 2. If that doesn't work, add a small gusset as you > describe > 3. If that looks wonky, make it a separate > attachment as you describe. Hmm, that sounds like a good way to start with the design that requires the least amount of extra bits and then add on if it doesn't work. > I should note that I always create a first sleeve > for someone as a mockup, > which I baste into the armhole and fit on the body, > so it would be easy to > test various options. I try not to cut into my my > real fabric for the > sleeves till I know where I'm going. I will cut with > impunity on body > pieces, but I have found so many ways to screw up > sleeves, I'd rather make > my mistakes on something I don't mind wasting. And > then it saves me time > in the long run. Cheap mock-up fabric is your friend... :-) Normally, this would be my way of doing it as well, but lack of time and no knowledgeable people to help me fit clothes (within reasonable time distance) makes it slightly awkward, so I have to resort to alternative methods (i.e get it right the first time). /Lena, who finds sleeves really awkward and difficult. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:24:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhQs008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IEVrcm014900; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:31:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IEVR4N018790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IEVRJe013059; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IEVOtY013006 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2473c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.60]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 948F15EE0BB for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:31:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:31:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:31:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE5159.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, The scarf or sashet she is wearing seems to be embroidered. Could it be a silk satin? A taffeta would be two stiff. The skirt is made to look like the fronts of gentlemens jackets, and my guess is it only is made for the looks. A lady was never to be seen in culottes, my godness, never. The sash dont have any purpose at all, just fashionable to wear it. Bjarne ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress > Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I know > nothing about this period: > > http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg > > Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it made of? Did > it have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? > > Also, the skirt appears to be divided in the center front. Is it open to > reveal a petticoat, or is this a split skirt or culottes? > > Thanks! > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:25:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhRO008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I7c3gM031871; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I7bE9d058719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I7bDkO055771; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I7b7mv055677 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Ez7sQ01ae-0006pW; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:37:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01d301c61c01$fa1764e0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ammonia and Bleach or Vinegar and Bleach Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:37:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:38:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CDF05B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin, LOL! He always cleans his own throne room/library. This king doesn't have a royal maid! It did take about 6 months before he could be around bleach again. You know you should be scared when the hazmat team calls you at the hospital. They wanted to make sure what was in the spray bottle. My kids said they had to put on all the hazmat suits to work in the bathroom. Our family has all these jokes/stories over the years about my husband trying to fix things around the house and the cars. Now when my husband insists on fixing something, we remind him of the bleach/Limeaway event. On the other hand... he is a wiz at fixing computers! To bring this back to a fashion/costume topic... did anyone watch the reality show, Beauty and the Geek on the WB? I only watched the episodes where they picked out wardrobes for one another. It was really funny! One of the "Geeks," I wouldn't really called a geek. His personality and mode of dress was more like the Robert Carradine's character in Revenge of the Nerds. Penny E. 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When I was in college, my costume teacher made a gothic dress. She cut it entirely on the bias, so it would cling where it was supposed to and stretch in other places. If you cut the sleeves on the bias, they might flare over your hands naturally. Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lena Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:42 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to? Hi, I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness. It's basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck opening and tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are supposed to go down over the knuckles with a small flare, which IIRC are a later development. Now, for my problem. What would be the easiest/best/authentic way of cutting the sleeves? I'm thinking either to cut the sleeve in one piece, with a flare at the end, and then insert a gore in the middle (i.e. where the thumb is when wearing the dress) to make the flare symmetrical, OR make an ordinary sleeve first and then add a (two?) curved piece for the cuff. Naturally, I'm behind schedule, so quick replies are very appreciated. /Lena (38 buttonholes to go... *shudder*) --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:25:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhRS008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:25:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I7uLFP004593; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:56:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I7tjKA060242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I7thMX066661; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I7te8O066588 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B42771800135 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:55:34 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Jan 2006 07:55:34 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B6527E5BC7; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:55:34 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:55:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delicate Subject Received: from [149.169.241.157] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:55:34 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060118075534.B6527E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0I7te8O066588 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:56:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CDF4A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Cynthia wrote: > > On the other hand, even nursing twins, my period was back in about 4-5 months. > > I don't doubt that it works for some women, but I'd be reluctant to > assume it was this way for a majority. I nursed my son until he was 18 months, and nursed exclusively for the first 6 months. My period was back at 9 months. I also wouldn't overlook the extreme popularity of sending the child out to a wetnurse in various times and places. Granted, this was done at least partially to allow the woman to become pregnant more quickly, but it would mean that at least some women who had children would not have experienced long gaps caused by breastfeeding. In addition, although most women married, not all women did, and pubertal or pre-pubertal marriages were often the exception rather than the rule. Also, not all women remarried if they were widowed which would lead to menstruation. So I don't think that we can safely make the assumption that menstruation was such an uncommon experience for pre-modern European women that they didn't have a way of dealing with it. My guess is that some sort of belt arrangement was used, although I have seen an undated woodcut of women in a bath house were one of the women is wearing something cut like bikini underwear, with ties on the side. Although there is no way of knowing *why* she was wearing such a thing, it might have been menstruation related. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:25:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhRY008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:25:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I5acOM030588; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:36:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I5Yeuh043965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I5YY8k085167; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0I5YVar085124 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Ez5xm2LYP-0006mL; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:34:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01b801c61bf0$da288f30$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ammonia and Bleach or Vinegar and Bleach Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:34:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:36:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CDD3E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Also don't mix bleach with Lime-Away. My husband was cleaning his bathroom last year. He picked up what he thought was an empty unmarked spray bottle, and poured bleach into it. The bottle instantly started foaming and overflowing. He poured it down the shower drain. The bottle once had Lime-Away in it, and the bleach and Lime-Away had a BIG chemical reaction. My husband immediately started coughing violently and throwing up. I rushed him to the hospital... he had chlorine poisoning. My adult children called 911. A hasmat team and the fire dept. came and quartentined (sp) the house for 24 hours. They had to flush all the drains in our house to the sewer line in the street. This chemical reaction happened in seconds. Since then, every unmarked bottle that comes in our house is labeled with a permanent marker. Thankfully because I got my husband to the hospital quickly, he did not have a permanent damage to his body. I can tell you that by the time we got to the hospital, his pores were excreting chlorine. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 12:25:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IHOhRa008604 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:25:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0I0FY38023238; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0I02q4b098905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HKcxPP066801; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:39:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f31.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0HJZcPH001512 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauradi7@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:35:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:35:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.163.105.146] X-Originating-Email: [lauradi7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lauradi7@hotmail.com From: "Laura Dickerson" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:35:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 19:35:37.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[310870D0:01C61B9D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] warming a castle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43CD88A6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A number of years ago we visited Cothele House in Cornwall on a cold rainy April day. It's a granite and slate Tudorish house with fancy woodwork and lots of tapestries on the walls. No electric lights, no central heating. There was a blazing fire in the great hall fireplace, but unless one was standing quite near the fire, it didn't seem to help much. Dark and damp and chilly, although it was at least out of the wind. All those layers of woolen clothes seemed like a good idea. http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-cotehele Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 13:35:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IIZJV6010097 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:35:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IIZBjQ009674; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:35:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IIXuV4058616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IIXhpA043194; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IIXXxv042970 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:33:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256B5913DA for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:33:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CE89F5.9060203@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:33:25 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century purses References: <43CDB382.9050106@reddawn.net> <200601172324.57322.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200601172324.57322.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:35:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE8A5F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > Size? Not very big. They were "sweetbags"--i.e., a kind of period sachet > that you carried about to ward off nasty odors. They were popular as gifts. > Here's one from the Boston Museum of Fine Arts--theirs is 9 cm by 9 cm --yes, > that less than 4 inches on a side: > How would you carry one of these? In the hand? On the wrist? Hung from the belt? I don't seem to recall seeing these in the art of the period. Maybe I'm just missing something. >Here's a site that describes one method of making one. > >http://www.bellomarisco.com/sweetbag.php She seems to say these were closet potpourri sachets. I guess they're not really "purses". Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 13:46:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IIkU3E010338 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:46:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IIkM8m019882; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:46:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IIjTAi060107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IIjOgo054122; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:45:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0IIj9pT053855 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:45:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24522 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 10:45:07 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24503, pid: 24508, t: 1.7783s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 10:45:05 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118104248.02446a98@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:45:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts In-Reply-To: <20060118155918.78857.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060118155918.78857.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:46:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE8CFE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 07:59 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote: >For those whom were asking for it, here it is. The >Livrustkammaren Journal of the Royal Armoury >Stockholm, Vol. IV:8-9 Stureskjortorna by Anna-Maja >Nylen. It's a BIG file, I have zipped it, but be >prepared. I have scanned everything LARGE so that >details are preserved. > >http://outoftheattic.homeip.net/venetian_costuming.html > >I'll leave it up for a week or so then take it down. >If anyone misses it while catching up to email, email >me off list and I'll upload it again. > >Now that the file has been scanned, I can get on >translating. That will take me some time, I'll get >back to you on it. :-) > >Kathy Kathy, I've never had much luck with zipped files since I never know how to unzip them. PDF I can deal with. How big is it as a PDF? That I would download immediately. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 14:02:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IJ2ePL010718 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:02:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IJ2Wle000860; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:02:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IJ0CDi065661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IJ00J7069080; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IIxpKE068805 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.219.10f280c8 (15875) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M38 (fwm-m38.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.240]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343ce901c4; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:59:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:59:40 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7EA787898F6DB-918-CA9@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> <004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:59:40 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.240 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:02:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE90C8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It looks to me as if the front could be a very deep sort of box pleat, with the front edges of the pleat forming the CF of the skirt. I am not basing this on any knowledge of the period, just how the drawing looks. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: Historical Costume Sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:31:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Hi, The scarf or sashet she is wearing seems to be embroidered. Could it be a silk satin? A taffeta would be two stiff. The skirt is made to look like the fronts of gentlemens jackets, and my guess is it only is made for the looks. A lady was never to be seen in culottes, my godness, never. The sash dont have any purpose at all, just fashionable to wear it. Bjarne ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress > Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I know > nothing about this period: > > http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg > > Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it made of? Did > it have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? > > Also, the skirt appears to be divided in the center front. Is it open to > reveal a petticoat, or is this a split skirt or culottes? > > Thanks! > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 14:18:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IJIjq4011111 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:18:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IJIbOp014761; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IJHosa071162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IJHel7087875; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IJHLBF087540 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.154]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DC2D5EE02E for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:17:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00b901c61c63$d31de690$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060118155918.78857.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060118104248.02446a98@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:17:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE948D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, There is a lovely book published by Livrustkammaren wich is called MODELEJON. It is about mens fashion from early renaissance to 1800's Its a fabulous book packed with gorgeous pictures, big and heavy two. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 14:38:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IJckPe011717 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:38:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IJcb54032482; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:38:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IJbIlh075507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:37:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IJb6I9008923; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IJb1Ic008744 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:37:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200601181936560140022bdre>; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:36:56 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:36:54 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:36:54 +0000 Message-Id: <011820061936.13812.43CE98D6000AE0CE000035F422064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sweete Bags X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:38:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CE993D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I knew I had a link or two on "sweete bags", since it is an interest of mine. The following is what I gleaned from a historical needlework resource, included is the link to the site with even a few more links. Roscelin http://medieval.webcon.net.au/loc_england_elizabethan_sweetbags.html "Sweete bag, late 16th C Background "Sweete Bags" were produced during the Elizabethan period of English history. They were often given as gifts themselves or they were used as container for gifts, such as gold coins. They are some of the best known examples of Elizabethan embroidery, due to the large number which have survived to the present day. It is likely that they have survived in such numbers because the beauty of the items has made them desirable since they were first made. Materials Used * linen canvas ground, coloured silks and siver-gilt thread (Oxburgh Hangings). * linen ground, coloured silks,silver-gilt and silver threads, seed pearl and black beads * velvet and silk grounds also used, with coloured silks and metal threads. Stitches and Techniques * tent stitch * double-running stitch * couching * detatched buttonhole Design Designs were inspired by a variety of sources in the Elizabethan period. These included modelbuchs or pattern books. There were published and aimed at both the domestic and professional embroiderer. Needleworkers also used herbals, emblem books and beastiary books to find patterns and designs. In general, the needlework of the Elizabethans reflects their love for nature. Plants, flowers, birds, animals and inserts are all common motifs found in Elizabethan embroidery including that produced on clothing." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 15:07:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IK7beO012964 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:07:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IK7TQN027114; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:07:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IK1cpk078949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IK1YDv032758; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IK1TVH032654 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:01:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EzJUi-0005Kg-7m for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:01:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:59:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] warming a castle References: <20060117.204153.-143686369.3.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20060117.204153.-143686369.3.penhalion@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:07:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEA001.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, precisely! I have been smiling indulgently at this thread - some of us actually live in the UK, y'know, and seem to manage fine ;-) Jean Karen R Bergquist wrote >I think we are failing to take a very important issue into consideration- >acclimatization (sp?). I live near Chicago and after one of our bakingly >hot summers, the first time the temperature dips down near freezing >(especially if it's a sudden drop) I feel the cold quite a bit. By the >end of the winter season , I am laughing at the idea of 32F being cold. >Earlier this week we had a day that was up above 45F and there were >people out in just tee-shirts and jeans. I also recently saw a piece on >one of the educational channels about a woman who trained for years to >swim in extremely cold water and eventually was able to swim between >Alaska and Siberia in water that the experts say should have killed her >in 20 minutes- she was able to swim in it for over 2 hours and come out >none the worse for the experience. I realize this is an extreme example >but it shows how well the human body can adjust to various temperatures. > >My opinion is that if you lived in the space all year round, not only >would a constantly burning fire raise the average temp, YOU'D BE USED TO >IT!!!!! > >Just my temperature tuppence, > >Karen >Seamstrix > > > >On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:36:55 -0800 "Sharon L. Krossa" > writes: >> At 7:35 PM +0000 1/17/06, Laura Dickerson wrote: >> > A number of years ago we visited Cothele House in Cornwall on a >> >cold rainy April day. It's a granite and slate Tudorish house >> with >> >fancy woodwork and lots of tapestries on the walls. No electric >> >lights, no central heating. There was a blazing fire in the great >> >hall fireplace, but unless one was standing quite near the fire, >> it >> >didn't seem to help much. Dark and damp and chilly, although it >> was >> >at least out of the wind. >> >> From the web site I note that this house is closed during the >> winter, >> from November through late March, and so doesn't really answer the >> question of how warm it would be if it was lived in all year round >> (including the fire places going at least all winter, possibly all >> year round) -- especially not when visited in April only a few weeks >> >> after opening again. >> >> (Another consideration is, even when it is open, is it kept heated >> when tourists aren't there, or are the fires only going during >> business hours?) >> >> >All those layers of woolen clothes seemed >> >like a good idea. >> >> I have no doubt this is true -- indeed, it is still true in Britain, >> >> in my experience, even with central heating... >> >> Sharon >> -- >> Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org >> Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: >> Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 16:49:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ILnsRt015465 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:49:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ILnkRm021215; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:49:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ILm3jr098942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ILlsRM038727; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ILlokJ038655 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mezarale@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so35701wxc for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:47:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:x-mailer:reply-to:organization:x-priority:message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=nlU5DCgfjLpNL5/aYnoYWcQArju/2I70nOyapQbSXVD3NEeXDag11fFnt7m0qNOikr+kTQDy9oiU4SIOfmnPBrcsIxd1pLMMnSKyGtk/uXN/xT4k+Q1m/0rMijFSZ3eZjSz5bbjZOE2nEnbcobxVHhM4s/NOvbqCqvmYsI+DMCw= Received: by 10.70.125.6 with SMTP id x6mr3869939wxc; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.1.2.198 ( [66.112.49.13]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i19sm153504wxd.2006.01.18.13.47.46; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:47:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:47:50 -0600 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Organization: slight X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <908555673.20060118154750@ix.netcom.com> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers In-Reply-To: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jlkelley X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:49:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEB7FA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Having read quite a few penny dredfuls I have heard the term before. If you wad up a pice of cloth to a wound and then remove it and unfold the cloth you will have an impresionistic flower. So blood flowers on cloth. Not sure if that is exactly what they ment in the defination. just my penny's worth jonica . Looking KP> up "sangue" in Florios' 1611 Italian-English KP> Dictionary garners me a broad variety of derivatives KP> that can be applied to a woman's menstrual blood. KP> Looking up "menses" I get a period (pardon the pun) KP> term for a woman's monthly: KP> "Mnstruo: a womans monethly(sic) termes, issues, KP> fluxes, sheddings or flowers. Also silver(?) among KP> Alchemists." KP> Flowers?! -- Best regards, jlkelley mailto:jlkelley@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 17:17:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMHJ9n016342 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:17:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMHBYR009274; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IMG6Cg003483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMG3gY066422; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMFuQY066263 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFFB91532 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:52:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:52:26 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pet hair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:17:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEBE67.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How on earth did medieval and renaissance folks keep their velvets and wools from looking like barnyard bedding? Surely even the servants of the wealthy had better things to do than pick cat hairs off the master's gowns? I've got two lint rollers and I just can't keep up with my two ginger tabbies. And no, they're not allowed in the costumes, but the hair gets there anyway. What do the rest of you do to keep your period clothing clean? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 17:25:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMPpLG016593 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMPhao015592; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IMGcFX003579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMGZqX066880; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52101.mail.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0IMGX6x066776 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 5846 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2006 22:16:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PO+7MIWNV1rSMoQNfYjnGNPHcNWEqdmZcBA4haGzmmb6qXiDeP3iUyRXqBm4ET0gxe1YeAMJb3xMDa0/skl6tukUy7z+PGY5EQosUIhlYcE8vZzqdVYjG3zSPnNLP50ijNI5ERpD4U9yuQc9LQbhDti5WEW0xUa0nMiX7Da2Ko4= ; Message-ID: <20060118221627.5844.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:16:27 EST Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:16:27 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEC067.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I wish I knew. I only know that as a whole the entire set of scans is 29 megs. I wanted to make a PDF of them, but hubby, who actually knows how to do that, is down with a virus right now. So I did the best I could with what I had. 'sides, asking the computer demi god simple questions like this is taking ones' life into ones' hands... He has little patience for my fundamental queries. Ironic it is a virus that has him crashed on the couch at the moment. ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist the bad joke. Anyone who wants to make a pdf of them, go right ahead. Kathy I've never had much luck with zipped files since I never know how to unzip them. PDF I can deal with. How big is it as a PDF? That I would download immediately. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. 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For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 17:26:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMQ2gm016603 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMPrAQ023710; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IMHiwp003752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMHgvm067914; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0IMHXKE067727 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 38128 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2006 22:16:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PzLAVua2hkQ7AzI/6IfZ40bae94KJ46pEJb/XZYDFktsAfeNLkh+f6hP3d4I/XwmnWgJuI6w3lp4JxxMQu7u9aLKAE4EeZul+TvBeH7brSawZe6+KgWtwXeqh3Eppm8c0hzJGQNIu4tqdhJCjGm2W6qB30snVyaj9WJtr9ILLBk= ; Message-ID: <20060118221618.38093.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:16:17 EST Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEC072.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I wish I knew. I only know that as a whole the entire set of scans is 29 megs. I wanted to make a PDF of them, but hubby, who actually knows how to do that, is down with a virus right now. So I did the best I could with what I had. 'sides, asking the computer demi god simple questions like this is taking ones' life into ones' hands... He has little patience for my fundamental queries. Ironic it is a virus that has him crashed on the couch at the moment. ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist the bad joke. Anyone who wants to make a pdf of them, go right ahead. Kathy I've never had much luck with zipped files since I never know how to unzip them. PDF I can deal with. How big is it as a PDF? That I would download immediately. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 17:52:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMqX66017249 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:52:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMqPYR002081; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:52:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IMkIva008456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:46:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMkAZ3095181; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMk4ZJ095064 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:46:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15929 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:15:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:15:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers In-Reply-To: <908555673.20060118154750@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:52:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEC6A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, jlkelley wrote: > KP> Looking up "sangue" in Florios' 1611 Italian-English > KP> Dictionary garners me a broad variety of derivatives > KP> that can be applied to a woman's menstrual blood. > KP> Looking up "menses" I get a period (pardon the pun) > KP> term for a woman's monthly: > KP> "Mnstruo: a womans monethly(sic) termes, issues, > KP> fluxes, sheddings or flowers. Also silver(?) among > KP> Alchemists." > > KP> Flowers?! > Having read quite a few penny dredfuls I have heard the term before. > If you wad up a pice of cloth to a wound and then remove it and unfold > the cloth you will have an impresionistic flower. So blood flowers on > cloth. Not sure if that is exactly what they ment in the defination. I wondered if it was just an archaic spelling for "flows" or a related word. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 17:52:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMqbgd017258 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:52:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IMqT2g029476; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IMjlK2008368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMjffq094684; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0IMjblE094502 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:45:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDA391532 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:45:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CEC50D.6090608@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:45:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers References: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> <908555673.20060118154750@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <908555673.20060118154750@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:52:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEC6AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! jlkelley wrote: "Flowers" has been slang for quite a long time, and probably has an association with flowering and fertility, fruit and childbearing. I would bet it was in use long before drawers were worn. Dawn > Having read quite a few penny dredfuls I have heard the term before. > If you wad up a pice of cloth to a wound and then remove it and unfold > the cloth you will have an impresionistic flower. So blood flowers on > cloth. Not sure if that is exactly what they ment in the defination. > > just my penny's worth > jonica > > > > . Looking > KP> up "sangue" in Florios' 1611 Italian-English > KP> Dictionary garners me a broad variety of derivatives > KP> that can be applied to a woman's menstrual blood. > KP> Looking up "menses" I get a period (pardon the pun) > KP> term for a woman's monthly: > KP> "Mnstruo: a womans monethly(sic) termes, issues, > KP> fluxes, sheddings or flowers. Also silver(?) among > KP> Alchemists." > > KP> Flowers?! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 18:14:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0INEIlp017776 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:14:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0INE8OU017979; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:14:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0INDPHW012616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0INDLcK022039; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0INDDf3021934 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16233 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:42:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:42:09 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers In-Reply-To: <43CEC50D.6090608@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:14:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CECBC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Dawn wrote: > jlkelley wrote: > "Flowers" has been slang for quite a long time, and probably has an > association with flowering and fertility, fruit and childbearing. OED has it back to c. 1400: c1400 Rel. Ant. I. 190 A woman schal in the harme blede For stoppyng of hure flowrys. 1527 ANDREW Brunswyke's Distyll. Waters Aiij, The same water..causeth women to have her flowres, named menstruum. 1662 R. MATHEW Unl. Alch. 106 It helpeth the stopping of the Flowers. 1741 in CHAMBERS Cycl. 1859 TODD Cycl. Anat. V. 666/2 The French term fleurs and the English flowers are now fallen into disuse. Of more interest, the etymology reads: Obs. [After F. fleurs: but this is regarded by French scholars as a corruption of flueurs: see FLUOR.] "Fluor" is defined as "1. A flow or flowing; a flux, stream." And it's also spelled that way rather far back: 1621 AINSWORTH Annot. Pentat. Gen. xviii. 11 The custome (or manner) of women, for the ordinary and naturall course of the body, or fluors. 1662 TRAPP Comm. 2 Sam. xi. 4 Her monethly fluors. 1754-64 SMELLIE Midwif. I. 110 The Fluor albus is no other than this Mucus discharged in too great quantity. In other words, the term for "flows" was a near-homonym for "flowers" and listerners could easily assume the two words were the same. So the original meaning probably had nothing to do with fertility, fruit, and childbearing, though I wouldn't be surprised if this speculative backformation made the term "flowers" seem reasonable to some users. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 19:02:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J02ShZ018930 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:02:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J02K9x021475; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J01eet020726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:01:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J01Xs3082800; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:01:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J01UcO082744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:01:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:28714 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EzNFC-0003OB-1S for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:01:38 -0600 Message-ID: <070701c61c8b$7f89ffa0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:01:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:02:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CED70C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I don't! I have a white cat and a black cat and between the two of them, they can hair up ANYTHING. I've got a lint brush (works better for me than the rollers) which works well on everything but fulled wool. I keep meaning to try vacuuming my fulled wool, but the vacuum is such a nuisance to get out that I never do. I'd love to have a quick fix, too. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 19:04:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J04VMm018971 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:04:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J04NsF012609; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:04:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J03Taf021035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:03:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J03TE8084445; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:03:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J03PiH084375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:28730 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EzNH3-0003aL-EK for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:03:34 -0600 Message-ID: <070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com><004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <8C7EA787898F6DB-918-CA9@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:03:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:04:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CED787.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! OK, how are you guys seeing this dress? All the link brings up for me is an ad for Karen Augusta. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 19:05:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J059cS018991 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:05:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J051UB023240; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:05:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J03t4m021107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J03svV084779; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0J03oEq084637 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB67X3LAF4234A for (sender ); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:02:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LE2NKLUW; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:02:26 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:00:32 -0800 Message-ID: <20060118.160034.2092.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1495393432 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgrgrL0o96e76gCw31AboLn8= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:05:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CED7AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Might anyone here have a pattern for an SCA Pelican cap of maintenance they'ld be willing to share? And what color is it usually? Thank you for your help. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 19:26:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J0Qpg2019671 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:26:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J0QeRr005355; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J0PSwO024121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J0PQZD002895; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J0PLC6002738 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ITB0014ZD5V3710@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:25:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:25:04 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] pet hair In-reply-to: <070701c61c8b$7f89ffa0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:26:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEDCC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Reverse roll tape on your hand so the sticky side is out. Duct tape or that clear packing tape works pretty well. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of E House Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair I don't! I have a white cat and a black cat and between the two of them, they can hair up ANYTHING. I've got a lint brush (works better for me than the rollers) which works well on everything but fulled wool. I keep meaning to try vacuuming my fulled wool, but the vacuum is such a nuisance to get out that I never do. I'd love to have a quick fix, too. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 19:31:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J0UvVq019800 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:30:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J0UmC5008173; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:30:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J0PSEx024120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J0PP9w002887; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J0PLC4002738 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ITB0014ZD5V3710@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:25:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:25:04 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance In-reply-to: <20060118.160034.2092.1.Cley@juno.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:30:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEDDB8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Arlys-- The cap is usually some shade of red. The look of the cap generally is reflected by the persona: eg: a 16th C woman might have a red caul. Someone I know with a German medieval persona has a small knitted cap. Depends on what you want. I don't have a cap of maintenance-- never got one. Monica (In the SCA: Baroness Dame Catriona MacDuff ) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance Might anyone here have a pattern for an SCA Pelican cap of maintenance they'ld be willing to share? And what color is it usually? Thank you for your help. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 19:42:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J0geDW020086 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:42:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J0gWqi016433; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J0g3eX026389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:42:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J0fxVU015458; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J0fpjb015252 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.296.404ad54 (15862) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df643cee04626e; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:41:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060118032720.61271.qmail@web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060118032720.61271.qmail@web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] warming a castle Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:41:41 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:42:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEE078.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0J0geDW020086 Hi, I'm new to this group. Re: warming A metal stove cools off quickly. I understand that's why Europeans have those Tile Stoves. It takes long to heat, but also radiates heat for a long time. The trick is to keep it hot/warm for maximum comfort levels in the building. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 17, 2006, at 10:27 PM, REBECCA BURCH wrote: > Well, I don't have any experience heating a stone > castle, but when we lived near Diamond Lake (in the > Cascade Mountains of the Pacific Northwest) we heated > a 3 bedroom house with only one wood fired stove. > There were still snow patches around in August!! The > only way to be reasonably comfortable was to NEVER let > the fire go completely out and wear lots of layers. > > If we did have occasion to leave for more than a day > or so, the core of the house would be so cold that it > would take a week or more to warm back up. The metal > of the stove would radiate for about half a day, but > more than that and you were sunk. > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 20:09:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J19ZDL020535 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:09:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J19NDU003504; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:09:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J18aIK029664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J18ZZw033614; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav12.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J18WP4033537 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:08:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:08:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060118221618.38093.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:08:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2006 01:08:25.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9713390:01C61C94] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:09:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEE6C3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I made PDF files with CorelDraw. I can paste images into a page format, then export it as PDF. You might want to download a trila version to see if it is what you might use yourself. Then if you like it buy the full version. PageMaker is similar and is used for text files such as desktop publishing. Illustrator is a graphics file that can be used to make PDF files and image files. Try some of these. You might find one you like. I learned CorelDraw after applyin for a job. I didn't know that program so they loaned it to me. Now I use it all the time. It is very simple to use and lots on online help if you need it. I have learned many programs for graphics. It seems every place I try to work has it's own program that they prefer. I have to know some things in each and learned more on my own. I guess I'm doing something wrong that way. I still have no job using my skills in art. So I'm getting my teacher certification for elementary education as a back-up. Just my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: "Historical Costume List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts >I wish I knew. I only know that as a whole the entire > set of scans is 29 megs. > I wanted to make a PDF of them, but hubby, who > actually knows how to do that, is down with a virus > right now. So I did the best I could with what I had. > 'sides, asking the computer demi god simple questions > like this is taking ones' life into ones' hands... He > has little patience for my fundamental queries. Ironic > it is a virus that has him crashed on the couch at the > moment. ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist the bad joke. > > Anyone who wants to make a pdf of them, go right > ahead. > > Kathy > > I've never had much luck with zipped files since I > never know how to > unzip them. PDF I can deal with. How big is it as a > PDF? That I > would download immediately. > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it. > -Ivan Panin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 20:11:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1BToa020569 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:11:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1BL90026433; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:11:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J1AcI6029878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1AeYv035028; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:10:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1AaGj034980 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:10:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:10:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:10:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:10:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2006 01:10:35.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[26C41F90:01C61C95] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:11:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEE739.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I don't think they cared. Animals were always in the house. Ever heard of a 3Dog Night? That meant the dogs slept on the bed to help heat the bed. So they wouldn't have worried about the air, would be my guess. With servants to do such mundaine ork, maybe they did the tiddying up of velvets and woolens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] pet hair > How on earth did medieval and renaissance folks keep their velvets and > wools from looking like barnyard bedding? Surely even the servants of the > wealthy had better things to do than pick cat hairs off the master's > gowns? I've got two lint rollers and I just can't keep up with my two > ginger tabbies. And no, they're not allowed in the costumes, but the hair > gets there anyway. > > What do the rest of you do to keep your period clothing clean? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 20:13:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1DvxC020651 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:13:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1Dnu5006871; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:13:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J1DD6k030132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1DDPY036649; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:13:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav5.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1D9DF036571 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:13:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:13:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:13:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2006 01:13:05.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[802B6430:01C61C95] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:13:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEE7CD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am not familar with that cap. What does one look like? ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance > Hi Arlys-- > The cap is usually some shade of red. The look of the cap generally is > reflected by the persona: eg: a 16th C woman might have a red caul. > Someone > I know with a German medieval persona has a small knitted cap. Depends on > what you want. I don't have a cap of maintenance-- never got one. > > Monica > (In the SCA: Baroness Dame Catriona MacDuff ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:01 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: Cley@juno.com > Subject: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance > > > Might anyone here have a pattern for an SCA Pelican cap of maintenance > they'ld be willing to share? And what color is it usually? > > Thank you for your help. > > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 20:26:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1QJ0n020882 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:26:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1QAGY015107; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:26:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J1NHSX031379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:23:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1NGVE043568; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:23:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1NAva043474 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8F27DF0622; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:18:42 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:23:22 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01c61c96$f06dfd10$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0J1NAva043474 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:26:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEEAB2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! When I was young, my mom had a clothes brush which had metal bristles. She loved it. Maybe it worked better at removing hair, etc. I don't even know if you can get those anymore. Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair I don't think they cared. Animals were always in the house. Ever heard of a 3Dog Night? That meant the dogs slept on the bed to help heat the bed. So they wouldn't have worried about the air, would be my guess. With servants to do such mundaine ork, maybe they did the tiddying up of velvets and woolens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] pet hair > How on earth did medieval and renaissance folks keep their velvets and > wools from looking like barnyard bedding? Surely even the servants of the > wealthy had better things to do than pick cat hairs off the master's > gowns? I've got two lint rollers and I just can't keep up with my two > ginger tabbies. And no, they're not allowed in the costumes, but the hair > gets there anyway. > > What do the rest of you do to keep your period clothing clean? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 20:32:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1WKvH020970 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:32:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1WCrJ019677; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J1VYfR032209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1VWcQ049057; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:31:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1VSC4048956 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B89913DA for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:31:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CEEBED.2000702@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:31:25 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com><004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <8C7EA787898F6DB-918-CA9@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> <070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:32:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEEC1C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! E House wrote: > OK, how are you guys seeing this dress? All the link brings up for me > is an ad for Karen Augusta. Try this http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/leloirX2.htm It's the 7th image down, Full hunting dress... 1692... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 20:37:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1bF4P021046 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:37:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J1b7SA023030; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:37:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J1aiZI032740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:36:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1aesc052383; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J1aa5Z052240 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ITB0028OGG14O10@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:36:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:35:56 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:37:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEED43.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The cap is a piece of regalia for the Order of the Pelican, an SCA Service (peerage) award. If you are not in the SCA, it probably not well known. As I said, it varies with the persona/ time period. Monica/ Catriona in SCA -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance I am not familar with that cap. What does one look like? ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance > Hi Arlys-- > The cap is usually some shade of red. The look of the cap generally is > reflected by the persona: eg: a 16th C woman might have a red caul. > Someone > I know with a German medieval persona has a small knitted cap. Depends on > what you want. I don't have a cap of maintenance-- never got one. > > Monica > (In the SCA: Baroness Dame Catriona MacDuff ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:01 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: Cley@juno.com > Subject: [h-cost] Cap of Maintenance > > > Might anyone here have a pattern for an SCA Pelican cap of maintenance > they'ld be willing to share? And what color is it usually? > > Thank you for your help. > > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 21:47:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J2lepI022235 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:47:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J2lVPJ008029; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J2kiqi041315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J2kdsY038061; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J2kaqf037966 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e3.4af914a6 (16087) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed743cefd832cd; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:46:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com><004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <8C7EA787898F6DB-918-CA9@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> <070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> Message-Id: <98b90d3236e7049e6a4080802d410963@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:46:26 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:47:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEFDC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0J2lepI022235 I can't see the dress, either. When you mentioned "riding" and "sidesaddle" I tried the link a few more times, but I don't get pictures. Help! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 18, 2006, at 7:03 PM, E House wrote: > OK, how are you guys seeing this dress? All the link brings up for me > is an ad for Karen Augusta. > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 21:48:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J2m4rD022238 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:48:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J2lu2C012584; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:47:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J2lDa7041403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J2lDYf038435; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J2kqlj038134 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD96026C; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:46:46 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 18 Jan 2006 21:46:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c61ca2$d22ecd00$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> <070701c61c8b$7f89ffa0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:48:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CEFDDC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Does it not occur that some people do not worry about such things as pet furr unless you are out and about among people to whom such a vestige of "barnyard" appearance is a problem? Even in this modern age one will know or remember that when going here or there may make a difference as to what one might wear? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair > I don't! I have a white cat and a black cat and between the two of them, > they can hair up ANYTHING. I've got a lint brush (works better for me than > the rollers) which works well on everything but fulled wool. I keep meaning > to try vacuuming my fulled wool, but the vacuum is such a nuisance to get > out that I never do. > > I'd love to have a quick fix, too. > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 23:38:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J4cole024087 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:38:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J4ccMX018301; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:38:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J4bqbT054033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J4bmZh006753; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J4bjNA006704 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m195.in-tch.com [216.166.191.195]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0J4TXr09695 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:29:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006f01c61cb3$110805e0$c3bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:44:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:38:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CF17CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I developed a tolerance for all the "cat hair" jokes I get from SCA friends. ;o) Basically, I do my best to keep the period clothing as far away from easy feline access as possible, and if I'm going to be sitting on something in the house when garbed, I make sure I've vacuumed, etc. I have 4 cats, with every possible color combination (one flame-point siamese, one half Maine Coon, one shaggy calico, and one ginger), so it doesn't do me much good to look for compatible colors. ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] pet hair > How on earth did medieval and renaissance folks keep their velvets and > wools from looking like barnyard bedding? Surely even the servants of > the wealthy had better things to do than pick cat hairs off the master's > gowns? I've got two lint rollers and I just can't keep up with my two > ginger tabbies. And no, they're not allowed in the costumes, but the > hair gets there anyway. > > What do the rest of you do to keep your period clothing clean? > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 23:40:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J4e7nD024117 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:40:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J4dxmW001143; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:40:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J4dgja054306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J4dfV5008015; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J4dbEj007889 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.166.129]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060119043932.DJFV22461.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:39:32 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01c61cb2$b325e780$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002b01c61c96$f06dfd10$0400a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:42:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:40:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CF181F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I usually use a strip or two from a cheap roll of packing tape, but when I have nothing close to hand, I will very lightly dampen my hands in the nearest sink and gently rub the fur away. This seems to work with most fabrics. The trick is to get your hands just moist enough it grips the hair, but not so much you leave a hand print on yourself. :-) This has the added bonus of rubbing away any wrinkles and static in your garment too. Sheridan (domestic servant to a white/orange/grey calico and a black cat) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: [h-cost] pet hair > > > > How on earth did medieval and renaissance folks keep their velvets and > > wools from looking like barnyard bedding? Surely even the servants of the > > wealthy had better things to do than pick cat hairs off the master's > > gowns? I've got two lint rollers and I just can't keep up with my two > > ginger tabbies. And no, they're not allowed in the costumes, but the hair > > gets there anyway. > > > > What do the rest of you do to keep your period clothing clean? > > > > > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 18 23:55:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J4trU5024427 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:55:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J4ti5h028187; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:55:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J4m7pX055147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:48:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J4m5SV013432; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:48:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J4lxLE013352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.160] (pool180-160.patriot.net [209.249.180.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0J4kLBC002220 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:46:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43CEEBED.2000702@reddawn.net> References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com><004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7 c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <8C7EA787898F6DB-918-CA9@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> <070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> <43CEEBED.2000702@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:47:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:55:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CF1BD0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Oooh, fun images! In the hunting costumes the ladies wear their hair in the rugged and manly long flowing curls. Has anyone ever seen this hairstyle worn with feminine style dress for this time period? I also like the high heeled shoes with the ice skates strapped on. Cool! -Carol >http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/leloirX2.htm > >It's the 7th image down, Full hunting dress... 1692... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 01:18:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J6If32025961 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:18:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J6IXn7008737; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J6HoQY065124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J6Hj8h066062; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:17:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J6HeGw065955 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:17:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.218.1199e445 (62976) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <218.1199e445.310088f9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:17:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:18:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CF2F39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/18/2006 11:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: Oooh, fun images! In the hunting costumes the ladies wear their hair in the rugged and manly long flowing curls. Has anyone ever seen this hairstyle worn with feminine style dress for this time period? ***************** In the particular example of this Hunting Costume, it definitely has a man's look. I've never seen hair worn down quite like that with the usual female dress. Never with a Mantua. You do get a sorta modification of the "cocker spaniel" look popular previously, usually coupled with the more conservative off the shoulder, boned bodice gowns still being worn for more formal occasions in the late 1600s. I once saw a painting of 3 ladies in waiting dressed as muses. All had the off the shoulder boned look with very horizontal hair dos with long loose curls, coming from the nape of the neck on 2 of the ladies and from the ends! of the horizontal main do on one..... a very strange [and wonderful] do. But again, a costume look. A 17th century interp of ancient Greece. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 01:52:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J6qAwa026555 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:52:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0J6q0Ku024879; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J6pL9Q068156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J6pIEw083082; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J6pC6A082993 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-228.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.228]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2006 14:51:02 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43CF3882.1000702@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:58:10 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] paned sleeves for Elizabethan - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:52:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CF3710.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've just cut out my paned sleeves and am planning to put a large gold bead at each join - but am wondering what is normally done with the underarm seam - do people join this seam or pane it as well? And if paned, do you sew a bed to match the rest of the sleeve or leave just plain? The dress is a ballgown - so people will see under the arm. I make Irish dance costumes - so know that beads under arms can tear fabric of the dress - so am naturally very cautious. Many thanks, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 09:40:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JEeQVd004699 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:40:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JEeHFq015060; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:40:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JEcB5g021316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:38:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JEc3Wl053909; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JEbsP4053768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k0JEbnR95069 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:37:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 19 Jan 2006 08:37:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:37:48 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:37:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CFA4D1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I wish I knew. I only know that as a whole the entire set of scans is 29 megs. I wanted to make a PDF of them, but hubby, who actually knows how to do that, is down with a virus right now. So I did the best I could with what I had. 'sides, asking the computer demi god simple questions like this is taking ones' life into ones' hands... He has little patience for my fundamental queries. Ironic it is a virus that has him crashed on the couch at the moment. ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist the bad joke. Anyone who wants to make a pdf of them, go right ahead. Kathy ============================== Kathy, I was able to download but not open. I am more than willing to wait for hubby's recovery for a PDF file :). Please post again to let us know if/when this is available. And thanks again for sharing!!! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 12:24:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHOfS5007846 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHOVba019174; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:24:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JHGs0Q062576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JHGkXd087252; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JHGdJm087155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:16:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:10142 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EzdOt-0005OF-Qw for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:16:44 -0600 Message-ID: <076101c61d1c$1c3c4700$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com><004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <8C7EA787898F6DB-918-CA9@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com><070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> <43CEEBED.2000702@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:16:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:24:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CFCB4F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Clicking on the thumbnail still brings me to the Karen Augusta ad, but with the thumbnail at least I can now see a bit of what you're discussing! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 12:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHZ45e008012 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:35:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHYva4027917; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JHXSOT065259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JHXIYJ002523; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J2xIvJ046243 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20b.1105735f (16109) for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed43cf00741c8; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:59:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <43CEEBED.2000702@reddawn.net> References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com><004201c61c3b$dee510c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <8C7EA787898F6DB-918-CA9@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> <070f01c61c8b$c44ed390$cb00a8c0@compaqub> <43CEEBED.2000702@reddawn.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:58:59 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:34:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CFCDC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0JHZ45e008012 THANKS ! Now I see it. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 18, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Dawn wrote: > E House wrote: > >> OK, how are you guys seeing this dress? All the link brings up for >> me is an ad for Karen Augusta. > > Try this > > http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/leloirX2.htm > > It's the 7th image down, Full hunting dress... 1692... > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 12:35:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHZfTE008026 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:35:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHZXS1010641; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:35:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JHYJCH065380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JHYDPk003369; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0J3M2Pn059880 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:22:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150A6913DA for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:21:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43CF05D5.9050106@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:21:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> <070701c61c8b$7f89ffa0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> <002a01c61ca2$d22ecd00$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002a01c61ca2$d22ecd00$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CFCDE5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Does it not occur that some people do not worry about such things as pet > furr unless you are out and about among people to whom such a vestige of > "barnyard" appearance is a problem? Even in this modern age one will know > or remember that when going here or there may make a difference as to what > one might wear? > Well, I've lived with cats all my life so, no, a little cat hair doesn't bother me on my clothes or on my friends. Unless I'm going for a job interview and then I want the navy suit to be as clean as I can get it. But the problem I have with our costumes is that the wool gown seems to attract an unusually heavy amount of lint, dust, cat hair, people hair and heaven knows what else to it. I've already gone through one lint roller and I'm working on a second just trying to keep the thing from looking like it's been drug through a barn. I can go through a yard of packing tape just cleaning the sleeve. It's ok that it looks like a gown worn by a man who owns a cat. Right now it looks like it's a gown owned by a homeless man who sleeps in the stable with the dogs. That's not the image I'm going for with this outfit. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 12:56:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHuMDX008414 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:56:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JHuETL012369; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:56:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JHoTbN067991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JHoOsq019248; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav5.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JCs5IC092423 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:53:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:53:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2006 12:53:59.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A431980:01C61CF7] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Need details X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:56:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CFD2BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0JHuMDX008414 My Renaissance dress is similar to this one: "Elisabeth von Valois" Alonso Sanchez Coello, 1565 http://www.mauritia.de/de/renaissance/elisabethvalois.html Does anyone have details of the front and partlet area? Also this one looks like it is divided in the front, but not exactly like the Venetian courisan type dress. I'd rather have a dress that opens in the front. Are there any other examples of front opening dresses from the period of 1565 -1580. I've used various styles to make my own combination of the parts I like. I'll post it as soon as I scan the sketch. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 13:08:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JI86Oi008594 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:08:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JI6vUE020803; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:08:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JI3lUe069994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:03:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JI3cfC031827; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JFOiSV086281 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB474035E for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:24:43 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb09.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.43aa525b.15b7a5 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:24:43 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDz687KLdKKgIAAAAB,0619756b5eb25d3f10b98d508839943f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.6] Message-Id: <20060119072443.514514E1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:08:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CFD541.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a small sign up in my hallway that reads "No outfit is complete without cat hair". I keep planning to make one that says "No costume is complete without cat hair" to go in the sewing room (which is off limits to the cats but their hair gets in anyway). If you have cats you have cat hair. Learn to live with it - they are worth the bother. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 13:27:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JIRVO3008963 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:27:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JIQPbp004794; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:27:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JIHaIw071857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JIHTZS045384; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0JIGn8G044698 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 7262 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 10:16:47 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 7250, pid: 7256, t: 1.1026s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 10:16:46 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060119101513.00f50a50@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:16:39 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair In-Reply-To: <43CF05D5.9050106@reddawn.net> References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> <070701c61c8b$7f89ffa0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> <002a01c61ca2$d22ecd00$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> <43CF05D5.9050106@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:27:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43CFD9D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 07:21 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote: >Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >>Does it not occur that some people do not worry about such things as pet >>furr unless you are out and about among people to whom such a vestige of >>"barnyard" appearance is a problem? Even in this modern age one will know >>or remember that when going here or there may make a difference as to what >>one might wear? > >Well, I've lived with cats all my life so, no, a little cat hair >doesn't bother me on my clothes or on my friends. Unless I'm going >for a job interview and then I want the navy suit to be as clean as >I can get it. > >But the problem I have with our costumes is that the wool gown seems >to attract an unusually heavy amount of lint, dust, cat hair, people >hair and heaven knows what else to it. I've already gone through one >lint roller and I'm working on a second just trying to keep the >thing from looking like it's been drug through a barn. I can go >through a yard of packing tape just cleaning the sleeve. > >It's ok that it looks like a gown worn by a man who owns a cat. >Right now it looks like it's a gown owned by a homeless man who >sleeps in the stable with the dogs. That's not the image I'm going >for with this outfit. :) > >Dawn Have you tried putting the dress in your clothes dryer (on air only, no heat) with a damp towel? It helps pull a lot of stuff out of the fabric. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 14:12:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJCiw4009941 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:12:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJBZkl013556; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:12:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JJ4fxX080094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:04:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJ4cD8093548; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJ3vwq092909 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1da.4b564dd5 (15865) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df943cfe289258; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:03:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <43CF05D5.9050106@reddawn.net> References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> <070701c61c8b$7f89ffa0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> <002a01c61ca2$d22ecd00$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> <43CF05D5.9050106@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <1209bde2ff52412afacb2fc5b410d9ef@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:03:35 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:12:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CFE467.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0JJCiw4009941 Have you tried one of those things that looks like a window scraper? It supposedly is able to pull the hair out, not just sweep it off. It has a plastic handle with a rubber -like blade. Check your local pet supply store or a pet catalog. I also found a glove that seems to be made of a type of stiff "velvet". You wipe it one way, and it picks up hair. WIpe it the opposite way to clean it off. I have a Kuvasz (long, white hair-90 pound dog), a mixed breed terrier (short wiry type, white, black and brown hair-25 pound dog) and a black cat. Pick a color-pick a texture, you'll probably find it here! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 18, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Dawn wrote: > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >> Does it not occur that some people do not worry about such things as >> pet >> furr unless you are out and about among people to whom such a vestige >> of >> "barnyard" appearance is a problem? Even in this modern age one will >> know >> or remember that when going here or there may make a difference as to >> what >> one might wear? > > Well, I've lived with cats all my life so, no, a little cat hair > doesn't bother me on my clothes or on my friends. Unless I'm going for > a job interview and then I want the navy suit to be as clean as I can > get it. > > But the problem I have with our costumes is that the wool gown seems > to attract an unusually heavy amount of lint, dust, cat hair, people > hair and heaven knows what else to it. I've already gone through one > lint roller and I'm working on a second just trying to keep the thing > from looking like it's been drug through a barn. I can go through a > yard of packing tape just cleaning the sleeve. > > It's ok that it looks like a gown worn by a man who owns a cat. Right > now it looks like it's a gown owned by a homeless man who sleeps in > the stable with the dogs. That's not the image I'm going for with this > outfit. :) > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 14:26:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJQqD4010280 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:26:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJPfLx024158; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JJO3NP082482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJNw7d012665; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJNnMT012438 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d1.36850138 (15889) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D40 (fwm-d40.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.16]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1143cfe738221; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:23:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:23:36 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7EB44FA8B6597-1228-F99A@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200601190440.k0J4dhhZ008031@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.16) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:23:36 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200601190440.k0J4dhhZ008031@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.16 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:26:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CFE7B5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks for the responses! I have another question, though. How is the skirt constructed for this period? Does the fullness still go in the back, like in Elizabethan times? I suppose I could borrow Patterns of Fashion or something. ::Looks hopefully at Dawn:: Albertcat, thanks for the overview. I had noticed the scarf through the buttonhole in other drawings too. I think it's very dapper, but I don't think I'll be wearing a scarf, so that's probably out. I'm also not planning to do the train, but just out of curiosity, would it have been part of the skirt with the bands across the front, or a separate overskirt? Yes, that is her mask in her right hand. I have to confess that I'm going to wear this outfit as a pirate costume, so I'm not worried if it's a masque costume or not. Does anyone know where to get a cheap but good-looking flint lock pistol prop? Or a falchion? I just saw a show on the History Channel about early firearms. Would this be a matchlock rifle she's got? Thanks! Tea Rose P.S. I love where my underwear question has gone! I learn so much from you guys! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 14:43:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJhT0r010606 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJgIe5004379; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JJb5UV084554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJax02026177; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJaPJI025483 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C0E35D5EE for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:35:55 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601191900.k0JJ0j0R090061@net.indra.com> References: <200601191900.k0JJ0j0R090061@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:35:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pet hair/feathers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CFEB9C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi It's not schmutz, it's an added embellishment! And muddy paw prints just add ambiance... Seriously have you tried shaking stuff out? Sticky tape rolled around your hand sticky out? A nice clothes brush?? Which is what me Mum always used... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 14:43:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJhwBS010619 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJhC1R001681; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JJWXZi083806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJWUGZ021540; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJVohY020852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:10419 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EzfVi-0004ld-H0 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:31:55 -0600 Message-ID: <077a01c61d2e$fdcf24f0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060119072443.514514E1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:31:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:53 -0500 (EST) What Dawn said! Also, I'm sewing for other people--"Live with it" really isn't the best solution there. =} I can live with it (although I _would_ have to pick black fulled wool for my dressiest coat, sigh) but maybe they can't, you know? The packing tape thing is handy for small areas, but not for a gown with an 8 yard hem. The best I've been able to do is to brush it, then spend about a half hour picking off every single cat hair that I can find by hand. It's actually faster than doing it by packing tape, sadly enough. -E House "They is a pestilence of cats what has swefted into the land." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 14:59:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJxK5p011008 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:59:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JJwmoZ015430; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:59:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JJu5cx087053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJu1Sg045308; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJtLEJ044657 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:55:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5588.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.136]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E23A47FEBE for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:55:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c61d32$4ecc25d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43CEB89A.7040601@reddawn.net> <070701c61c8b$7f89ffa0$cb00a8c0@compaqub><002a01c61ca2$d22ecd00$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> <43CF05D5.9050106@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:55:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:59:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43CFEF82.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I had collies when i was young. They surely also gives a lot of hair everywhere. I learned that if you damp your hand and stroke gently to the wool, it goes off very easy. Used to do this on all our furnitures. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >> Does it not occur that some people do not worry about such things as pet >> furr unless you are out and about among people to whom such a vestige of >> "barnyard" appearance is a problem? Even in this modern age one will >> know >> or remember that when going here or there may make a difference as to >> what >> one might wear? >> > > Well, I've lived with cats all my life so, no, a little cat hair doesn't > bother me on my clothes or on my friends. Unless I'm going for a job > interview and then I want the navy suit to be as clean as I can get it. > > But the problem I have with our costumes is that the wool gown seems to > attract an unusually heavy amount of lint, dust, cat hair, people hair and > heaven knows what else to it. I've already gone through one lint roller > and I'm working on a second just trying to keep the thing from looking > like it's been drug through a barn. I can go through a yard of packing > tape just cleaning the sleeve. > > It's ok that it looks like a gown worn by a man who owns a cat. Right now > it looks like it's a gown owned by a homeless man who sleeps in the stable > with the dogs. That's not the image I'm going for with this outfit. :) > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 15:10:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JKAnac011270 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:10:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JK9nBR021204; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JK93Pw088898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JK911L058461; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:09:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JK8ope058252 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5588.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.136]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DFA6D5EE014 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:08:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003c01c61d34$34f51660$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601190440.k0J4dhhZ008031@net.indra.com> <8C7EB44FA8B6597-1228-F99A@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:08:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:10:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43CFF21E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Tea Rose. The skirt is full all the way round. There is not any over and underskirt. A very small bumroll round the waist, would improve the look. Skirt would probably be cartridge pleated to a waistband where the fullness is most from hips to center back. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress > Thanks for the responses! I have another question, though. How is the > skirt constructed for this period? Does the fullness still go in the back, > like in Elizabethan times? I suppose I could borrow Patterns of Fashion or > something. ::Looks hopefully at Dawn:: > > Albertcat, thanks for the overview. I had noticed the scarf through the > buttonhole in other drawings too. I think it's very dapper, but I don't > think I'll be wearing a scarf, so that's probably out. > > I'm also not planning to do the train, but just out of curiosity, would it > have been part of the skirt with the bands across the front, or a separate > overskirt? > > Yes, that is her mask in her right hand. I have to confess that I'm going > to wear this outfit as a pirate costume, so I'm not worried if it's a > masque costume or not. Does anyone know where to get a cheap but > good-looking flint lock pistol prop? Or a falchion? I just saw a show on > the History Channel about early firearms. Would this be a matchlock rifle > she's got? > > Thanks! > > Tea Rose > > P.S. I love where my underwear question has gone! I learn so much from you > guys! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 15:36:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JKaacZ011751 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:36:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JKaBKc003572; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JKYmAK092004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JKYi6B083724; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JKYAJY083136 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.27]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EzgTx-0001g9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <24319219.1137702849802.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:34:09 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:36:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43CFF848.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >But the problem I have with our costumes is that the wool gown seems >to attract an unusually heavy amount of lint, dust, cat hair, people >hair and heaven knows what else to it. I've already gone through one >lint roller and I'm working on a second just trying to keep the >thing from looking like it's been drug through a barn. I can go >through a yard of packing tape just cleaning the sleeve. > >It's ok that it looks like a gown worn by a man who owns a cat. >Right now it looks like it's a gown owned by a homeless man who >sleeps in the stable with the dogs. That's not the image I'm going >for with this outfit. :) Some wools do seem to pick up more "stuff" than others. I discovered that one floor-length gown in particular picked up a lot fewer seeds and bits of grass from the ground if I put about a 2-inch strip of matching cotton velveteen around the bottom. I'm half convinced that seeds "hitch a ride" on the hemline and gradually work their way up the skirt :) It helps somewhat to keep anything vulnerable to cat hair hung up whenever it's not being worn. Vacuuming frequently and cleaning chair seats and other furniture with a damp rag cuts down on the amount of fur that "transfers" when you sit or brush up against something. Brushing the cat(s) daily also helps. My younger cat can shed an amazing amount of fur in one day, and my other cat is a calico, so she can shed hair of a color that will contrast with anything, all by herself :) As for removal, take a look next time you're at the pet store to see what new techno-fixes are currently popular. I have a brush with fat, soft, slightly sticky rubber bristles that does a pretty good job of picking up fur from most clothing. I also have a wire clothes brush, which is especially helpful on soft or fuzzy fabrics to loosen any attached hair, which the other brush can then pick up. The best lint roller I've found is made of a similar kind of slightly sticky rubber, and all you have to do to clean it is to rinse it in cold water, when all the hair comes off -- let it dry and it's ready to use again. Or, of course, you can think of the added layer of hairs as "additional insulation!" ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 16:03:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JL3B99012208 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:03:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JL2sUg027038; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:03:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JL0C85095123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JL068o008141; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JJqSZ5041715 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1d7.4d010ebc (15875) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343cfedea187; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:52:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060119072443.514514E1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060119072443.514514E1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: <5793bf8ba682bffe66dc2c9cfbe38631@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:52:08 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:03:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43CFFE7E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0JL3B99012208 Friends gave me a sign similar to yours except it is for DOG hair. (They have 2 cats, so they understand.) Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Lalah wrote: > I have a small sign up in my hallway that reads "No outfit is > complete without cat hair". I keep planning to make one that > says "No costume is complete without cat hair" to go in the > sewing room (which is off limits to the cats but their > hair gets in anyway). If you have cats you have cat hair. > Learn to live with it - they are worth the bother. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 16:09:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JL9uME012355 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:09:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JL9luQ031735; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:09:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JL1JdU095290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JL1Fl2009245; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JL0h6J008718 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LXZG7EWUTS9UW3OB@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:00:41 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LXZG6O8PUW9VVUE9@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:00:05 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:00:40 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] paned sleeves for Elizabethan - question In-reply-to: <43CF3882.1000702@earthlydelights.com.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43CFFDF8.4020100@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <43CF3882.1000702@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:09:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43D0001B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A & J Garden wrote: > I've just cut out my paned sleeves and am planning to put a large gold > bead at each join - but am wondering what is normally done with the > underarm seam - do people join this seam or pane it as well? And if > paned, do you sew a bed to match the rest of the sleeve or leave just > plain? The dress is a ballgown - so people will see under the arm. > I make Irish dance costumes - so know that beads under arms can tear > fabric of the dress - so am naturally very cautious. I'd pane it, but leave a couple of beads off between the armpit and the elbow. -- Adele de Maisieres ***************************** Book now for Canterbury Faire http://sg.sca.org.nz/cf.htm ***************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 16:33:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JLXx4G012859 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JLXSgQ015545; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JLUBjO000544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JLU4xZ038029; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JLO6IK032258 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006011921240101300d9vbce>; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:24:01 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:23:59 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:23:59 +0000 Message-Id: <011920062123.15416.43D0036F000C553F00003C3822092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43D005B0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just saw this bit of info on TV today... The person used a rubber cleaning glove. Once it has picked up a batch of hair she then would use a damp cloth to wipe of the glove and begin again. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "E House" > What Dawn said! Also, I'm sewing for other people--"Live with it" really > isn't the best solution there. =} I can live with it (although I _would_ > have to pick black fulled wool for my dressiest coat, sigh) but maybe they > can't, you know? The packing tape thing is handy for small areas, but not > for a gown with an 8 yard hem. The best I've been able to do is to brush > it, then spend about a half hour picking off every single cat hair that I > can find by hand. It's actually faster than doing it by packing tape, sadly > enough. > > -E House > "They is a pestilence of cats what has swefted into the land." > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 16:58:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JLwRWc013423 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:58:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JLvavN027896; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JLsenc004066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JLsYoD060764; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:54:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0JLruSv060088 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006011916534919416 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:53:49 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id k0JLrfMA001876 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:53:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:58:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D00B50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The best lint roller I've found is made of a similar kind of slightly sticky rubber, and all you have to do to clean it is to rinse it in cold water, when all the hair comes off -- let it dry and it's ready to use again. I read that as "it" referring to the 'hair', not the roller. Conjuring weird images of used cat hair. How much would it go for on eBay? Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 17:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMDdsH013764 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:13:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMDQ1l002458; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JMC7pV007306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMC5nt077690; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMBMH9076960 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:11:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.266.44d556f (2612) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <266.44d556f.31016882@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:11:14 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:13:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D00F06.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/19/2006 2:26:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tearoses@aol.com writes: Does anyone know where to get a cheap but good-looking flint lock pistol prop? There's here. The "Pirate flintlock" is only like $49. _http://www.silvermane.com/weapons_firearms.html_ (http://www.silvermane.com/weapons_firearms.html) Or try your local costume shop [we have Morris Costumes down here... morriscostume.com] or even Toy-R-Us, and see if they have a non-working plastic one for real cheap. They can sometimes look pretty good. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 17:24:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMOeY6013962 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:24:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMOF46006866; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JMLmWc009218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:21:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMLiwS087281; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JML3eJ086618 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a8.47044fa1 (2612) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:20:52 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.47044fa1.31016ac4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:20:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:24:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0118F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/19/2006 5:12:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: There's here. The "Pirate flintlock" is only like $49. Forget this one....the 2 "17th century German" and "17th century English" look better and are $35 and $39. _http://www.silvermane.com/weapons_firearms.html_ (http://www.silvermane.com/weapons_firearms.html) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 17:43:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMhbNl014415 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:43:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMgo92014799; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JMfOfa012818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMfLoh005972; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMegp7005442 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter78.comcast.net ([204.127.197.178]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200601192240360140021jl0e>; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:40:36 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter78.comcast.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:40:34 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:40:34 +0000 Message-Id: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D01608.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ooops... Well, it all depends on the breed of cat's hair. I used to spin collie hair and wool together. Why not Angora cat hair? Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Kate Pinner" > > > > The best lint roller I've found is made of a similar kind of slightly > sticky rubber, and all you have to do to clean it is to rinse it in cold > water, when all the hair comes off -- let it dry and it's ready to use > again. > > I read that as "it" referring to the 'hair', not the roller. Conjuring > weird images of used cat hair. How much would it go for on eBay? > > Kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 17:47:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMlDn5014488 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:47:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JMjvqc015995; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:47:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JMieMK013318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMicPf008790; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMhxKG008124 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E6891532 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:43:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43D01637.4010704@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:44:07 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress References: <200601190440.k0J4dhhZ008031@net.indra.com> <8C7EB44FA8B6597-1228-F99A@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7EB44FA8B6597-1228-F99A@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:47:08 -0500 (EST) tearoses@aol.com wrote: > I have to confess that I'm going to wear this outfit as a pirate costume I wouldn't say that in public. Piracy is a hanging offense. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 18:03:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JN3Dxf014818 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:03:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JN2bo7012553; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:03:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JMt8N2017072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JMt2uM018165; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0JMsMgn017567 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34603 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2006 22:54:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wc3bdPJ3AOofm8OI/pNK39sKt6q905zpkulnwj0As/dSoC0SU3J0U+SxgAUsK0NBwnynUP1OH/rKkr3Diu5uNc6ovAmfO/5gNrG3kfJE01pX3kZTrY3vODZ7U6/3KJbnAalcsG7pQYVMdjnSGNlo1u3tzlnnSajzVF0JXioiHcg= ; Message-ID: <20060119225420.34601.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:54:20 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:54:20 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:03:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D01A8D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Just in case anyone over here /hasn't/ seen the trailer:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/virginqueen/costume.shtml Rather scant content on the costume but a description of the 'creative process' used by the designer. Quite why they think that an actor can't be sexy in accurate Elizabethan clothing I've no idea... Oh well. The promo pictures show disappointly limp skirts and decidedly modern looking fabric but I'll be happy to be proved wrong! The series begins on Sunday 22nd January on BBC at 9pm UK time. Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 18:29:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNT5AG015464 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:29:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNSroc022910; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:29:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JNN2uh027110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JNMoNd043029; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:22:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JNM8Ap042368 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2e0.d74133 (2612) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:21:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2e0.d74133.31017915@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:21:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:29:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D020B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/19/2006 5:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk writes: Rather scant content on the costume but a description of the 'creative process' ***************** Really! Who wants to see the continuity book? Sheesh! An appalling lack of hats and coifs.... too many unbuttoned doublets....a purple and gold shirt???? The new queen rides into town to be crowned in a plain gown with her boobs practically falling out and here hair down and head uncovered? I....don't....think....so..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 18:36:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNausi015564 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:36:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNamb2025869; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:36:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JNYEIf031224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:34:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JNYBCG052876; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JNXAvI052060 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:33:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D158913DA for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:33:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43D021C0.10400@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:33:20 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen References: <20060119225420.34601.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060119225420.34601.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:36:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D02290.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The series was on in the US back in November. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/virginqueen/index.html I enjoyed it, and can't say that any of the costumes stood out as being "wrong" while I was watching it. Dawn katherine sanders wrote: > Just in case anyone over here /hasn't/ seen the > trailer:- > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/virginqueen/costume.shtml > > Rather scant content on the costume but a description > of the 'creative process' used by the designer. Quite > why they think that an actor can't be sexy in accurate > Elizabethan clothing I've no idea... Oh well. The > promo pictures show disappointly limp skirts and > decidedly modern looking fabric but I'll be happy to > be proved wrong! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 18:37:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNbMHo015569 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:37:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNbEbE006607; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:37:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JNZW1J031664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JNZVd9054100; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:35:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0JNYpuD053469 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6057 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.48 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 23:34:50 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060119233249.01d48de0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:34:54 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen In-Reply-To: <2e0.d74133.31017915@aol.com> References: <2e0.d74133.31017915@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:37:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D022AA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 23:21 19/01/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 1/19/2006 5:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk writes: > >Rather scant content on the costume but a description >of the 'creative process' > > >***************** > > >Really! Who wants to see the continuity book? Sheesh! > >An appalling lack of hats and coifs.... too many unbuttoned doublets....a >purple and gold shirt???? > >The new queen rides into town to be crowned in a plain gown with her boobs >practically falling out and here hair down and head uncovered? >I....don't....think....so..... I worked on this show, (made some ruffs) and was shown, very proudly, some of the costumes being made in Angels' workshop. Well , I know the ruffs were wrong............................ Suzi (now making/finishing 5 Mary Queen of Scots court dresses in 10 days - aaargh!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 18:38:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNcwi2015593 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:38:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0JNco9I028445; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JNbUFD032389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JHiK8K013349; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0JAHdSE008706 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ITC00KM24L7JY40@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:17:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:17:27 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] paned sleeves for Elizabethan - question In-reply-to: <43CF3882.1000702@earthlydelights.com.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:38:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0230A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've done the Eleonora of Toledo sleeves in several incarnations/ versions, that have buttons or beads on each pane-- including the undersides of the sleeves-- without a problem. However if something is too sharp, anything would abrade the fabric. Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of A & J Garden Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:58 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] paned sleeves for Elizabethan - question I've just cut out my paned sleeves and am planning to put a large gold bead at each join - but am wondering what is normally done with the underarm seam - do people join this seam or pane it as well? And if paned, do you sew a bed to match the rest of the sleeve or leave just plain? The dress is a ballgown - so people will see under the arm. I make Irish dance costumes - so know that beads under arms can tear fabric of the dress - so am naturally very cautious. Many thanks, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 19:26:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0QBMo016454 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:26:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0PqOO010968; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:26:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K0NT3c042388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:23:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0MsAi091198; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0MLjP090729 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:22:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.c1.691dc385 (16111) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef43d02d2aad; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:22:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <500e8bfcfedb969aebdf50842b371871@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:22:01 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:26:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D02E10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0K0QBMo016454 I saved dog hair and spun it to knit. Why not cat hair???? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Kate Pinner wrote: > > > > The best lint roller I've found is made of a similar kind of slightly > sticky rubber, and all you have to do to clean it is to rinse it in > cold > water, when all the hair comes off -- let it dry and it's ready to use > again. > > I read that as "it" referring to the 'hair', not the roller. Conjuring > weird images of used cat hair. How much would it go for on eBay? > > Kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 19:46:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0kkR3016817 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:46:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0kcYX018478; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:46:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K0hWsI044530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0hVat007294; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0hMQt007161 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26e.4612c13 (15862) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df643d0321f140; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:43:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <43D01637.4010704@reddawn.net> References: <200601190440.k0J4dhhZ008031@net.indra.com> <8C7EB44FA8B6597-1228-F99A@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> <43D01637.4010704@reddawn.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress-piracy Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:43:10 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D032EE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0K0kkR3016817 Sounds like when we do Train Robberies (for Charity) on horseback. They even have WANTED Posters printed for the occasion! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Dawn wrote: > tearoses@aol.com wrote: >> I have to confess that I'm going to wear this outfit as a pirate >> costume > > I wouldn't say that in public. Piracy is a hanging offense. :) > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 19:53:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0rH5S016933 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:53:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0r9uT021215; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:53:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K0pI7l045220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0pGTM012463; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0pC6f012323 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21d.6a63f9f (15875) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343d033f52d8; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:51:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060119225420.34601.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060119225420.34601.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:51:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:53:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D03475.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0K0rH5S016933 Is it normal policy to start designing costumes with a 12 week lead time? I know nothing about theatre or TV, but I need 12 weeks to make an outfit for myself! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:54 PM, katherine sanders wrote: > Just in case anyone over here /hasn't/ seen the > trailer:- > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/virginqueen/costume.shtml > > Rather scant content on the costume but a description > of the 'creative process' used by the designer. Quite > why they think that an actor can't be sexy in accurate > Elizabethan clothing I've no idea... Oh well. The > promo pictures show disappointly limp skirts and > decidedly modern looking fabric but I'll be happy to > be proved wrong! > > The series begins on Sunday 22nd January on BBC at 9pm > UK time. > > Katherine > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p > a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 19:59:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0xUE5017041 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K0xMiM023351; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K0vsm2045769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0vphk017104; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K0vIVW016761 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 447B036045 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:57:17 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need details Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:57:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D035EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Here is a bigger picture that might help. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg If it is small, click on the picture and it will enlarge. Someone had a dress diary online for this. The partlet seems to be a lattice of pearls and gems connected to a sheer material. This Portrait is Isabel Valois, French. It appears to have an opening in the front. Most portraits I have seen of French gowns are usually in the front but I haven't been about to figure out the solid section between the embroidered bands. These are done by Clouet. Click on Notice complete, which will take you to that particular pictures info. Then click the picture to enlarge. http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1 =AUTR&VALUE_1=CLOUET%20François&DOM=All&REL_SPECIFIC=1&IMAGE_ONLY=CHECKED (Sorry haven't figured out snipurl) There are some with front opening. De PS. been looking into making this gown as well.:) -----Original Message----- My Renaissance dress is similar to this one: "Elisabeth von Valois" Alonso Sanchez Coello, 1565 http://www.mauritia.de/de/renaissance/elisabethvalois.html Does anyone have details of the front and partlet area? Also this one looks like it is divided in the front, but not exactly like the Venetian courisan type dress. I'd rather have a dress that opens in the front. Are there any other examples of front opening dresses from the period of 1565 -1580. I've used various styles to make my own combination of the parts I like. I'll post it as soon as I scan the sketch. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 20:20:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K1KNRD017478 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:20:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K1JisV030909; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K1H5Vc047523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K1H3Es030200; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K1GRHc029703 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so413842wra for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RubwE13jgJw6RR0lHZ1bFoJuJpJbc4d6+6E1iUf1jZHoDN0OAmLjx1icNxSdVYREqcCMJ/U/a9WnVjS3no8GDgMPnhBwXy7tbz8RKOB/8H45qwZtJCNhsStx+YSBBBx4JxkwbA9hKklNspodT3k1XFZdUwB7SLnTcXgOpERCIG0= Received: by 10.65.157.4 with SMTP id j4mr1098964qbo; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:16:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:16:25 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0K1GRHc029703 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: paned sleeves for Elizabethan - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:20:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D03AB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A & J Garden wrote: >> I've just cut out my paned sleeves and am planning to put a large gold >> bead at each join - but am wondering what is normally done with the >> underarm seam - do people join this seam or pane it as well? >I'd pane it, but leave a couple of beads off between the armpit and the elbow. I chose not to pane the under sleeve section. The upper sleeve section is paned & will be joined with a large gold whatnot, just like yours. The edges of each pane and of the undersleeve section have delicate lacy gold trim. Since there's no trim or beads under there, there's no risk of marking my ivory silk satin brocade. The sleeve design I chose is based on the extant remains of Eleanor of Toledo's gown in the Pitti Palace. See JArnold Patts of Fashion. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 21:27:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K2RPXa018739 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:27:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K2RHVY022757; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K2QiVM057417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K2Qd9j079563; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50212.mail.yahoo.com (web50212.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0K2Qa9R079433 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60455 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2006 02:26:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vkABxuTHt6x7xzDwjpM0kKBgeZ+n0hdn3OAc5S1HMrSGHBlsAXJl6GJwsdNo+NXi7M0zELzkZvFr+BumXHYdNsDqWxZhhzh71pK+mavqBOQikWb+9DLuIWPuiqvV0E/aMV3oYTMz+n6kqySMdhXZ2NHB2/chI+zbkczxBvSw7CM= ; Message-ID: <20060120022631.60453.qmail@web50212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.190.7.194] by web50212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:26:31 PST Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:27:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D04A85.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathy, the scans are superb - thanks so much! Melissa --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 22:16:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K3GNYa019532 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:16:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K3GAxQ006232; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K3FX19062978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K3FS2T014495; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K3FKja014307 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:15:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.239]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060120031514.WNME8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:15:14 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060119205401.02638120@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:15:08 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200601181900.k0IJ0Z27069550@net.indra.com> References: <200601181900.k0IJ0Z27069550@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:16:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D055FA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you for posting this. I've downloaded and expanded the zip and have begun page separation and image restoration. I look forward to your translation. The images are in jpeg format, which is already compressed. There was little size benefit putting it in a zip file, though it does make it easier to deal with than many small files. Adobe pdf files will not be any more efficient, unless you give up some of the resolution (300dpi). That would be a shame. You could save additional space if the text was transcribed... a major job in itself. Beth Matney At 01:00 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:59:18 -0500 (EST) >From: Kathy Page >Subject: [h-cost] Livrustkammaren/Sture Shirts > >For those whom were asking for it, here it is. The >Livrustkammaren Journal of the Royal Armoury >Stockholm, Vol. IV:8-9 Stureskjortorna by Anna-Maja >Nylen. It's a BIG file, I have zipped it, but be >prepared. I have scanned everything LARGE so that >details are preserved. > >http://outoftheattic.homeip.net/venetian_costuming.html > >I'll leave it up for a week or so then take it down. >If anyone misses it while catching up to email, email >me off list and I'll upload it again. > >Now that the file has been scanned, I can get on >translating. That will take me some time, I'll get >back to you on it. :-) > >Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 22:33:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K3XHE7019852 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:33:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K3X6BK012087; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:33:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K3WAT6066132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K3W2A5027257; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K3VuDL027187 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4225C40237 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:31:56 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb13.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.43aa5261.156a55 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:31:56 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD0Fmso88CSQIAAAAB,ba560ffd31c05cefa846c45fc2d9f112 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.72] Message-Id: <20060119193156.5144DE94@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:33:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D059F2.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! <<>> Well, actually they did wear their gowns like that though I don't believe it was appropriate for riding. Elizabeth did go to her coronation with her hair down. She said that she was a virgin queen and wanted the world to know it. Her coronation portraits show her crown on her long (frizzy) red hair which sticks out and is hanging over the coronation cloak. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: From: AlbertCat@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:21:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen In a message dated 1/19/2006 5:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk writes: Rather scant content on the costume but a description of the 'creative process' ***************** Really! Who wants to see the continuity book? Sheesh! An appalling lack of hats and coifs.... too many unbuttoned doublets....a purple and gold shirt???? The new queen rides into town to be crowned in a plain gown with her boobs practically falling out and here hair down and head uncovered? I....don't....think....so..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 22:50:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K3oEaI020172 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:50:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K3o6G5017759; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:50:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K3nPbd068676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K3nNdV038703; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K3nKUF038616 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:49:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:49:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:49:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 03:49:16.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C68E9A0:01C61D74] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:50:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D05DEE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The second link went to a French site. I do not have access or do not understand what to do. My French is very rusty. Please explain what to do or translate it for me so I can. It doesn't matter to me if it's in French. I can always find a translator for a passage or try to do it myself. I'd have to look up y school text book. But I can if I have to. Thanks for the picture. I do rmemeber someone having details of this dress sometime ago. They discussed the covers for the ties on the sleeves and how to make the spiral cut sleeves. I think I can make it iwth what I have but details will make it easier. If someone knows of the diary for this dress, please post it to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need details > Here is a bigger picture that might help. > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg > If it is small, click on the picture and it will enlarge. > Someone had a dress diary online for this. > The partlet seems to be a lattice of pearls and gems connected to a sheer > material. > This Portrait is Isabel Valois, French. It appears to have an opening in > the > front. Most portraits I have seen of French gowns are usually in the front > but I haven't been about to figure out the solid section between the > embroidered bands. > These are done by Clouet. Click on Notice complete, which will take you to > that particular pictures info. Then click the picture to enlarge. > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1 > =AUTR&VALUE_1=CLOUET%20François&DOM=All&REL_SPECIFIC=1&IMAGE_ONLY=CHECKED > (Sorry haven't figured out snipurl) > There are some with front opening. > > De > PS. been looking into making this gown as well.:) > -----Original Message----- > My Renaissance dress is similar to this one: > "Elisabeth von Valois" Alonso Sanchez Coello, 1565 > http://www.mauritia.de/de/renaissance/elisabethvalois.html > Does anyone have details of the front and partlet area? > Also this one looks like it is divided in the front, but not exactly like > the Venetian courisan type dress. I'd rather have a dress that opens in > the > front. Are there any other examples of front opening dresses from the > period > of 1565 -1580. > I've used various styles to make my own combination of the parts I like. > I'll post it as soon as I scan the sketch. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 23:21:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4LFE5020774 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:21:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4L6FJ029079; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:21:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K4JF4Y071718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:19:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4JDOU056459; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4J9Cl056397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eznku-0005y7-AU; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:20:08 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:20:08 -0600 Message-ID: <20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:20:08 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] pet hair References: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:21:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D06532.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting roscelinlimoges@comcast.net: > Ooops... Well, it all depends on the breed of cat's hair. I used > to spin collie hair and wool together. Why not Angora cat hair? > It's my understanding that the structure of cat hair makes it difficult if not impossible to spin. Seems like the cuticle of the feline fiber (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration) is barbed. What I was told was that you could spin it -- and then just watch it unspin itself. I know lots of folks who spin Dog Hair, though. Jerusha, not a spinner or weaver ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 23:42:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4giKY021170 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:42:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4ga1K004353; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:42:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K4g9Jp073902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:42:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4g6Dp069440; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:42:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4g2ZV069353 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26e.46118ba (16109) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed43d06a113b; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:41:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> References: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> Message-Id: <0b9419964cf8d814e88c1c38d1a58ffb@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:41:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:42:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D06A3C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0K4giKY021170 <> But aren't the barbs the reason that wool can be spun? It gives texture so the spinning stays in. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting roscelinlimoges@comcast.net: > >> Ooops... Well, it all depends on the breed of cat's hair. I used >> to spin collie hair and wool together. Why not Angora cat hair? >> > > It's my understanding that the structure of cat hair makes it difficult > if not impossible to spin. Seems like the cuticle of the feline fiber > (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration) is barbed. What I was told > was that you could spin it -- and then just watch it unspin itself. I > know lots of folks who spin Dog Hair, though. > > Jerusha, not a spinner or weaver > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 23:47:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4lWc0021247 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:47:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4lOwU006033; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:47:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K4jjkK074214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4jjxS071898; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4jgOo071812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EzoAa-0008TT-Io; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:46:40 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:46:40 -0600 Message-ID: <20060119224640.4wp6h3hjeu0cwsos@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:46:40 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair References: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> <0b9419964cf8d814e88c1c38d1a58ffb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <0b9419964cf8d814e88c1c38d1a58ffb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:47:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D06B5C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Susan Data-Samtak : > < the alliteration) is barbed>> > But aren't the barbs the reason that wool can be spun? It gives > texture so the spinning stays in. or it could be that the cuticle *isn't* barbed. :-S Can you tell I don't do those kinds of things with fiber? Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 19 23:54:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4sbGT021389 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:54:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K4sT9a008429; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K4mts3074508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4msau074257; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K4moi3074146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EzoDd-0000Kr-Bp; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:49:49 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:49:49 -0600 Message-ID: <20060119224949.7h5q0ffgbtwk0sss@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:49:49 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need details References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D06D05.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting otsisto : > Here is a bigger picture that might help. > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg > If it is small, click on the picture and it will enlarge. That's probably the *best* copy of this paintings that I think I've seen! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 00:41:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K5f3TR022125 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:41:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K5etaY025457; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:40:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K5ZV8k078933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K5ZTYI003065; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K5ZPJ0003018 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:35:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA77129D07 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:35:24 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need details Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:35:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D077E7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! For the second link you need the whole url to get to the site. Or try http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/clouet_francois.html scroll down to "Joconde Database of French Museum Collections", click on that and it will take you to the site. It will be in French but you will see pictures on the left of your screen. "Notice complete" will take you to a site with more information on the portrait (in French). I have ecked out that millesime is date of portrait. vers means roughly. Click on the picture and the protrait should enlarge. Hope this helps, De -----Original Message----- > These are done by Clouet. Click on Notice complete, which will take you to > that particular pictures info. Then click the picture to enlarge. > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1 > =AUTR&VALUE_1=CLOUET%20François&DOM=All&REL_SPECIFIC=1&IMAGE_ONLY=CHECKED _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 01:28:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6S7sq022833 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:28:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6Rx3A010368; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:28:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K6RVYn085384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K6RO7b039921; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0K6RKwL039875 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:27:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 31868 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 22:27:20 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31858, pid: 31859, t: 0.9835s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 22:27:19 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060119222127.022f8628@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:27:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair In-Reply-To: <0b9419964cf8d814e88c1c38d1a58ffb@aol.com> References: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> <0b9419964cf8d814e88c1c38d1a58ffb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:28:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D082EF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 08:41 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote: ><the alliteration) is barbed>> >But aren't the barbs the reason that wool can be spun? It gives >texture so the spinning stays in. > >Susan >[snip] Actually, cat fur is very slippery, not barbed. It can be spun, but it takes quite a bit of twist to hold it together; and to make it even close to stable, you need to ply it right away. It's the twist that holds the fibers together, whatever their source (I have spun wool, mohair, silk, cotton, flax, ramie, my own hair, Samoyed dog hair, etc.). From your friendly fiber fanatic, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 01:34:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6YAU4022949 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:34:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6Y2lb012651; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:34:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K6WKFu085789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:32:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K6WFJj042706; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K6WAKw042600 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060120063205.EOIB27947.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:32:05 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.187.125]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060120063204.TSEJ16143.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:32:04 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20060120063204.GGGX27457.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:32:04 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.21/235]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:32:08 +1300 Message-ID: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:32:06 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:34:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0845A.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! <> I have a photo of a great picture of this, the bodice is *not* divided up the front. It is much like other bodices that probably have a "stomacher" front with a divided skirt. I'll edit the pics and upload them later tonight. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 19/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 01:34:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6YCMs022950 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:34:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6Y4rb028362; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:34:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K6XcJK085931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K6XbJR043517; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0K6XX0h043468 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 25039 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 22:33:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25029, pid: 25030, t: 4.0468s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1239 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 22:33:29 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060119222818.022f8ba8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:33:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need details In-Reply-To: <20060119224949.7h5q0ffgbtwk0sss@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060119224949.7h5q0ffgbtwk0sss@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:34:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0845C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 08:49 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote: >Quoting otsisto : > >>Here is a bigger picture that might help. >>http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg >>If it is small, click on the picture and it will enlarge. > >That's probably the *best* copy of this paintings that I think I've >seen! > >Susan >----- >Susan Farmer >sfarmer@goldsword.com >University of Tennessee >Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology >http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ When you look closely at the sleeves, you can see that they have long diagonal slashes edged with gold braid (or "laced" as the contemporary term is). The sleeves have sometimes been misinterpreted as "spiral-cut". This is one of my favorite portraits (I have a nice large color picture in one of my books). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 01:53:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6rXNl023250 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:53:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K6rPsb019989; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K6llu9088013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K6ljtj053133; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K6leZG053029 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060120064735.FEGH27947.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:47:35 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060120064734.ULOY1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:47:34 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.21/235]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:47:40 +1300 Message-ID: <02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:47:40 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:53:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D088E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > < "Elisabeth von Valois" Alonso Sanchez Coello, 1565 > http://www.mauritia.de/de/renaissance/elisabethvalois.html >> > I have a photo of a great picture of this, the bodice is *not* divided up > the front. It is much like other bodices that probably have a "stomacher" > front with a divided skirt. http://glittersweet.com/DSCN9267.JPG OK, so I uploaded it already The v left between the bands of embreoidery at the centre front is a little odd, but you can clearly see the satin beneath is not seamed at all nor is the horizontal band across the top interupted. This is more usual in French bodices of this time (compare to other Clouet paintings. Oh, I just noticed the wires through the pearls in her parure. Very cool. I also found a great reproduction of the portrait of Eleanora di Toledo in pink, you can easily see her partlet and how the braid used on it was used for her hair (though possibly a wider one in the hair net) and was overlaid with a black ribbon for the partlet. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 19/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 04:30:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K9ULOn020922 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:30:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K9UDXd005186; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:30:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0K9TNJ6006349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K9THBZ048333; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K9TD1H048261 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.428524; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:28:57 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0K9SvH29936.; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:28:57 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:28:57 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:28:38 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0K9TD1H048261 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:30:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0ADA5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> tearoses@aol.com 19/01/2006 19:23 >>> wrote: ... >Albertcat, thanks for the overview. I had noticed the scarf through the buttonhole in other drawings too. I >think it's very dapper, but I don't think I'll be wearing a scarf, so that's probably out. It's not a scarf to keep her warm, but a neckcloth to prevent the coat collar from rubbing against the skin - an essential part of male attire, which this lady's outfit is copying. > I just saw a show on the History Channel about early firearms. Would this be a matchlock rifle she's got? Flintlocks would be more common by this late in the century, especially for a sporting gun. I think it would be a smooth bore, not a rifle. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 06:28:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KBShTR013985 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:28:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KBSY1l011637; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:28:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KBPMk6023680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KBPFEx024070; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:25:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KBP9kq023973 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D891533876 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:25:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need details Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:25:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:28:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0C962.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! parure? De -----Original Message----- Oh, I just noticed the wires through the pearls in her parure. Very cool. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 06:41:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KBf9hw017848 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:41:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KBf1os015064; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:41:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KBecjs025263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KBeaCS032088; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f34.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KBeW5t032052 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:40:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:40:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <500e8bfcfedb969aebdf50842b371871@aol.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:40:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 11:40:32.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[524EFF00:01C61DB6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:41:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0CC4D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My baby maine coon's hair could definately be spun...he matts continuously! When you put your fingers in his fur, it feels like you're burrying your fingers in sheeps wool! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Susan Data-Samtak >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:22:01 -0500 > >I saved dog hair and spun it to knit. Why not cat hair???? > >Susan > >"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark >Trail" by Louis L'Amour > >On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Kate Pinner wrote: > >> >> >> >>The best lint roller I've found is made of a similar kind of slightly >>sticky rubber, and all you have to do to clean it is to rinse it in cold >>water, when all the hair comes off -- let it dry and it's ready to use >>again. >> >>I read that as "it" referring to the 'hair', not the roller. Conjuring >>weird images of used cat hair. How much would it go for on eBay? >> >>Kate >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 08:36:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KDaXpw028829 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:36:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KDaPjV026896; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:36:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KDUhV3041200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:30:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KDUdrm011185; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K9f75K056484 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.429052; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:40:44 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0K9edH01019.; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:40:44 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:40:37 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:40:27 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0K9f75K056484 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:36:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0E759.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! For Elizabeth's coronation dress, see http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.6126/viewPage/2 The impression I had from the photos in "Radio Times" was of the ladies' dresses looking rather lightweight, more like 18th century fabrics. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 08:37:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KDbRAr028835 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:37:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KDbKiK005285; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KDW8Ev041341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KDW7pv012255; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f24.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KBkfh6036471 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:46:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:46:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:46:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 11:46:38.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C3BB910:01C61DB7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:37:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0E790.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes! Theatre is nutts! We've had shows with less lead time! That's when you pull in everyone you know, and even some you don't, you work 18+hour days, no days off, and you collapse at the end, hating the show, and never wanting to ever see the designer again! Yes, that was a big run on sentence. That's what life in the theatre is like...I don't go there any more! And don't ever think I like musicals, or ever want to listen to one...BLECH! Kelly ps: Good Luck! "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >Is it normal policy to start designing costumes with a 12 week lead time? >I know nothing about theatre or TV, but I need 12 weeks to make an outfit >for myself! > >Susan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 08:38:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KDcXDt028851 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:38:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KDcPeL008018; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:38:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KDW1Cf041322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KDW1Qd012153; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f2.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KBVvIh027021 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:31:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 141.152.167.105 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:31:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.152.167.105] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43D021C0.10400@reddawn.net> From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:31:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 11:31:52.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C450810:01C61DB5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:38:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0E7D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I was so annoyed at the poor acting, and their having cast and played Dudley as a sulky little boy, that I didn't even finish watching the first episode and remember very little about the costuming. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:33:20 -0600 > >The series was on in the US back in November. > >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/virginqueen/index.html > >I enjoyed it, and can't say that any of the costumes stood out as being >"wrong" while I was watching it. > > > >Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 09:02:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KE2lPx029361 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:02:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KE2dU6005716; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:02:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KE0uSE043492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KE0rPh029580; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav13.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KE0o1n029503 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:00:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela> <02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:00:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 14:00:44.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8283920:01C61DC9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:02:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0ED7F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! When I reviewed my sketch I came up with these questions that might need to be answered before I get started. 1. Tabs at the waist- does the dress have the beaded girle or not? 2. If the underpinning has tabs should the outter dress have tabs? 3. If the waist has tabs should the hsoulders be the same technique? 4. Should the entire unders kirt that shows doe=wn the front be the same fabric or just the front panle that shows? 5. Is there a way to sew a prectector fabric for the lower hem for when it drags on the ground? I plan to have several types of sleeves to match the weather. I may create a doublet for the colder days. but that is far down the road. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details > >> <> "Elisabeth von Valois" Alonso Sanchez Coello, 1565 >> http://www.mauritia.de/de/renaissance/elisabethvalois.html >>> >> I have a photo of a great picture of this, the bodice is *not* divided up >> the front. It is much like other bodices that probably have a "stomacher" >> front with a divided skirt. > > http://glittersweet.com/DSCN9267.JPG > OK, so I uploaded it already > > The v left between the bands of embreoidery at the centre front is a > little > odd, but you can clearly see the satin beneath is not seamed at all nor is > the horizontal band across the top interupted. This is more usual in > French > bodices of this time (compare to other Clouet paintings. > > Oh, I just noticed the wires through the pearls in her parure. Very cool. > > I also found a great reproduction of the portrait of Eleanora di Toledo in > pink, you can easily see her partlet and how the braid used on it was used > for her hair (though possibly a wider one in the hair net) and was > overlaid > with a black ribbon for the partlet. > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: > 19/01/2006 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 10:04:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KF4kjb030615 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:04:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KF4c5e000754; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:04:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KF3rMK049633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KF3ngZ068316; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KF3iEg068227 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060120150346.DBYA14098.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:03:46 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:03:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYdefJMYLmBJx6CS6euW2WdC1NNFAAWEjvw Message-Id: <20060120150346.DBYA14098.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:04:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0FC06.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >It's my understanding that the structure of cat hair makes it difficult >if not impossible to spin. Seems like the cuticle of the feline fiber >(sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration) is barbed. What I was told >was that you could spin it -- and then just watch it unspin itself. I >know lots of folks who spin Dog Hair, though. >Jerusha, not a spinner or weaver ----- Per a spinner I talked to at Pennsic - comb a very small amount of sheeps wool in with the cat fur and it should spin just fine. Have not had the time to test this but she is a wool merchant and does a lot of spinning. Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 1/19/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 10:16:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KFGk5Q030845 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:16:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KFGc5C006315; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:16:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KFGHBI050903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KFGCpn077082; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KFG2p6076984 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m98.in-tch.com [216.166.191.98]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0KF7or06630 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:07:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003b01c61dd5$660549e0$62bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:22:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:16:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0FED6.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Okay, I'm officially envious....I've always wanted a Maine Coon. *sigh* I have one kitty, Mac the Wonder Boy (currently posed next to my computer monitor ;o), who would make lovely yarn. He's a ginger kitty with rather long hair, especially in his tail, which is quite the poofy thing. The fur is soft enough to remind me of Angora bunny, but alas!, for a long-haired cat, he not only doesn't shed much, but doesn't give up much when he's combed. To actually "harvest" his hair, I'd have to shave him, poor baby, which I'm not willing to do. Obligatory on-topic comment: He's the reason I no longer have an SCA cloak. Ate so many holes in that $30 a yard 100% wool that I had to scrap it for pieces (had left the cloak out on a chest after an event). Luckily, he's not much interested in linen! --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Grant" To: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair > My baby maine coon's hair could definately be spun...he matts continuously! > When you put your fingers in his fur, it feels like you're burrying your > fingers in sheeps wool! > > Kelly > > > > "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced > with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, > then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" > Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > > >From: Susan Data-Samtak > >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair > >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:22:01 -0500 > > > >I saved dog hair and spun it to knit. Why not cat hair???? > > > >Susan > > > >"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > >too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > >Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > > >On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Kate Pinner wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >>The best lint roller I've found is made of a similar kind of slightly > >>sticky rubber, and all you have to do to clean it is to rinse it in cold > >>water, when all the hair comes off -- let it dry and it's ready to use > >>again. > >> > >>I read that as "it" referring to the 'hair', not the roller. Conjuring > >>weird images of used cat hair. How much would it go for on eBay? > >> > >>Kate > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>h-costume mailing list > >>h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 10:17:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KFHhSX030864 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KFHZGl016413; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KF6uPF050081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KF6uAs070627; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KF6rQC070585 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m98.in-tch.com [216.166.191.98]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0KEwfr04410 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:58:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001401c61dd4$1ee600a0$62bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net><20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> <0b9419964cf8d814e88c1c38d1a58ffb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:13:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D0FF0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think she's got it backwards, Susan. Cat hair is *very* slick, and has lots of guard hairs (like some alpaca? llama? and camel that almost has to be hand-cleaned to get the guard hairs out?). Certainly, some of it is spinnable (if long enough), but the spinners I've heard discuss it often blend it with another fiber. And even then, it tends to "shed," which is pretty funny/ironic, since the cats shed it in the first place. I would imagine that for successful spinning of cat hair, you'd be pretty much limited to the under coat of just a few of the longer-haired breeds. --Sue, Domestic Servant to Four Kitties (to borrow someone else's job description ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair > < the alliteration) is barbed>> > But aren't the barbs the reason that wool can be spun? It gives > texture so the spinning stays in. > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > > Quoting roscelinlimoges@comcast.net: > > > >> Ooops... Well, it all depends on the breed of cat's hair. I used > >> to spin collie hair and wool together. Why not Angora cat hair? > >> > > > > It's my understanding that the structure of cat hair makes it difficult > > if not impossible to spin. Seems like the cuticle of the feline fiber > > (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration) is barbed. What I was told > > was that you could spin it -- and then just watch it unspin itself. I > > know lots of folks who spin Dog Hair, though. > > > > Jerusha, not a spinner or weaver _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:03:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KG3J7Z031756 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:03:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KG3BI2028146; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:03:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KG152S065663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KG0BOb015109; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KFwetO013399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Ezyeg-0005Xt-53; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:58:26 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:58:26 -0600 Message-ID: <20060120095826.lgv4knjjxdwk80sk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:58:26 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair References: <011920062240.21655.43D01562000D660B0000549722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net><20060119222008.dcp2gfkobn4s4ko0@www.goldsword.com> <0b9419964cf8d814e88c1c38d1a58ffb@aol.com> <001401c61dd4$1ee600a0$62bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <001401c61dd4$1ee600a0$62bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:03:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D109BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Sue Clemenger : > I think she's got it backwards, Susan. Cat hair is *very* slick, and has > lots of guard hairs (like some alpaca? llama? and camel that almost has to > be hand-cleaned to get the guard hairs out?). I *knew* somebody would know! :-) susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:08:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KG8xNp031861 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:08:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KG8pTe030719; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:08:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KG8Ok8068621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KG8JoZ023588; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KG87UX023248 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21d.6af7cb3 (63024) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:59:04 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <21d.6af7cb3.310262c7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:59:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:08:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D10B13.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/20/2006 8:32:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: That's what life in the theatre is like...I don't go there any more! ******************* And film is like opening night every night for a month or two! I don't go there any more. I just can't keep up with the 20-somethings and 30-somethings who do it and still have the ambition. :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:15:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGFrPL031965 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:15:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGFjM4001686; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:15:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KG8Pt3068623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KG8KtE023613; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KG8AKR023307 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C46987034 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:08:24 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:15:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D10CB1.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep the feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the feathers are always sliding out of the hatband, especially when it's windy (which it is constantly here in the midwest). The quill part seems to be so thick that the pressure of the hatband itself isn't enough to hold it, moreso when there's more than one. Is it possible to use pins? I can't see pins going through the thickness of these two hats, or the feathers (without splitting them). Safety pinning to the band is just ugly. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:28:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGS6cd032143 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:28:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGRwse007535; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KGPMNd076698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGPIte040150; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0KGPAoL040006 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 28776 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 09:24:49 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28758, pid: 28762, t: 1.4286s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 09:24:47 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060120082148.02244280@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:24:41 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat In-Reply-To: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> References: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:28:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D10F8E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 08:08 AM 1/20/2006, you wrote: >I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep >the feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the >feathers are always sliding out of the hatband, especially when it's >windy (which it is constantly here in the midwest). The quill part >seems to be so thick that the pressure of the hatband itself isn't >enough to hold it, moreso when there's more than one. > >Is it possible to use pins? I can't see pins going through the >thickness of these two hats, or the feathers (without splitting >them). Safety pinning to the band is just ugly. > >Dawn I put the feathers in an "aiglet" (glue + sewing), then use a broach to fasten the feathers to the hat. I've not had any trouble keeping the feathers on even in a very strong wind (strong enough to push my skirts into my legs) that tried to take the hat off my head (I use hatpins to keep it on). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:28:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGSXjZ032151 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:28:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGSPTc016090; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:28:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KGL7CC074812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:21:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGL3DK035997; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:21:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGKld5035759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KGKgZZ037412 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:20:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:20:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <62058.65.117.156.5.1137774042.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> References: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:20:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:28:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D10FA9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Have you tried Toupee tape? I seem to remember that it adheres odd materials together. ;) Chiara On Fri, January 20, 2006 10:08 am, Dawn said: > I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep > the > feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the feathers > are > always sliding out of the hatband, especially when it's windy (which > it > is constantly here in the midwest). The quill part seems to be so > thick > that the pressure of the hatband itself isn't enough to hold it, > moreso > when there's more than one. > > Is it possible to use pins? I can't see pins going through the > thickness > of these two hats, or the feathers (without splitting them). Safety > pinning to the band is just ugly. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:41:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGf03i032411 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:41:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGepGS013445; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KGaPgd078300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGSgtX043114; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGSZuj042793 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:28:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter47.comcast.net ([204.127.205.147]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006012016280601400f199ne>; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:28:06 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter47.comcast.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:28:06 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:28:06 +0000 Message-Id: <012020061628.9576.43D10F960003DF89000025682200762194CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:40:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D11293.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! When I recently made the 'Hat of Doom' ( http://tinyurl.com/dmpcb ) I sewed the feathers on. Basically I just made sure to get the thread in between the feather fronds and right against the stem so no 'fuzzy parts' were under the thread. I tacked them down in two places to keep them where they were supposed to be; the day was exceedingly windy and the photo was taken several hours into the night (as you may be able to tell from my drooping sleeves, grr). Hope that helped! Elizabeta > On Fri, January 20, 2006 10:08 am, Dawn said: > > I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep > > the > > feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the feathers > > are > > always sliding out of the hatband, especially when it's windy (which > > it > > is constantly here in the midwest). The quill part seems to be so > > thick > > that the pressure of the hatband itself isn't enough to hold it, > > moreso > > when there's more than one. > > > > Is it possible to use pins? I can't see pins going through the > > thickness > > of these two hats, or the feathers (without splitting them). Safety > > pinning to the band is just ugly. > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > Franchesca Havas > ---------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:41:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGfN8M032421 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:41:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGfFsY022094; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:41:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KGf0ix079976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGexnc054544; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:40:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGeuxG054504 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so436129wxc for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:40:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C6fLJBedzv25u9xbcWeDPAOD/atnkPqRN/aBrOh5Olg+2WF7c6VLRtpQS84YGpCzCtk6w0yX0ChHfUEfd208Oys+eC7acoOgQb0QfQLh1mdXqFmNy6npPFtt2oQExRvZquRTKhz3cJ9EAudn0AQMRjPRh8bq5kDPe8C2U5EhgTs= Received: by 10.70.96.11 with SMTP id t11mr2334692wxb; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.18 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:40:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e6527830601200840w6cc01edm5b28225ca459d1d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:40:55 -0500 From: jordana robinson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <21d.6af7cb3.310262c7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <21d.6af7cb3.310262c7@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0KGeuxG054504 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:41:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D112AB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! i actually enjoyed it very much when i saw it in november... there was one particularly smart doublet ensemble that young elizabeth wears that convinced me to try to make my own elizabethan (although not a doublet gown, it figures). i think i figured out it might not be totally 100% accurate costume-wise when i heard the soundtrack (traditional-sounding but with a bit of modern instrumentation thrown in) and saw the way it was filmed (some jump cuts and shaky-camera filming, etc.) but nothing stood out to me as glaringly wrong (not that i'm an expert of course). i liked the plainer sort of gowns that elizabeth and her ladies wore before she was crowned. they remind me a lot of the italian styles, while keeping an english feel in the corsetry and fabric. i wish i could find more examples of that style in portraiture... i guess it was too casual for portraits? or is it totally a convention of these films? -jordana On 1/20/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/20/2006 8:32:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: > > That's what life in the theatre is > like...I don't go there any more! > > > ******************* > > And film is like opening night every night for a month or two! I don't go > there any more. I just can't keep up with the 20-somethings and > 30-somethings > who do it and still have the ambition. :-P > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:51:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGpJEH032648 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:51:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGpBYG018258; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KGocjF081559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGoZQP063686; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:50:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0KGoR1v063558 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:50:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 80138 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 16:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.48 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 16:50:27 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060120165008.01da7228@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:50:32 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat In-Reply-To: <012020061628.9576.43D10F960003DF89000025682200762194CE0201 079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> References: <012020061628.9576.43D10F960003DF89000025682200762194CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:51:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D114FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:28 20/01/2006, you wrote: >When I recently made the 'Hat of Doom' ( http://tinyurl.com/dmpcb >) I sewed the feathers on. Basically I just made sure to get the >thread in between the feather fronds and right against the stem so >no 'fuzzy parts' were under the thread. I tacked them down in two >places to keep them where they were supposed to be; the day was >exceedingly windy and the photo was taken several hours into the >night (as you may be able to tell from my drooping sleeves, grr). Great costume!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 11:59:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGxx2Q000434 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:59:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KGxpbm022182; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KGxSmI082768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGxOMb071201; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0KGwWmI070239 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19549 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2006 16:58:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t46D6/NxM6Sga5vZENN9O2NiZ8L0cqi0PCAFf6WEbuE0ACeVE2BozkzatHJAMVG/KItDbu3WiSr37jXNp3tDqDwzeGNDRSJ9Clbi4tLb0pQFfV8luQmc2Xay1y4PT/hGDoZJQwbbQqXvR4FiqeJTbdADXyreN8Cc8dCGdgawF4Q= ; Message-ID: <20060120165811.19547.qmail@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:58:11 PST Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601201146.k0KBkjXj036546@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pet hair - spinning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:59:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D11707.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think it would depend on the quality of the cat's hair - some long haired cats have a much more "wooly" texture to their coats than others which would probably be more friendly to spinning. It was not spinning, but I used to have a long-haired cat whose hair I could roll into little balls that looked and felt similar to a ball of felted wool - and the moths loved them just as much! Annette M whose four cats produce nothing near the problematic hair as my one short-haired mutt dog. h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:20:08 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pet hair Quoting roscelinlimoges@comcast.net: > Ooops... Well, it all depends on the breed of cat's hair. I used > to spin collie hair and wool together. Why not Angora cat hair? > It's my understanding that the structure of cat hair makes it difficult if not impossible to spin. Seems like the cuticle of the feline fiber (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration) is barbed. What I was told was that you could spin it -- and then just watch it unspin itself. I know lots of folks who spin Dog Hair, though. Jerusha, not a spinner or weaver Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:41:40 -0500 From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair > But aren't the barbs the reason that wool can be spun? It gives texture so the spinning stays in. Susan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 12:09:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KH8wcH000619 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:08:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KH8oq1026290; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:08:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KH889e084232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KH81N4079242; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KH7rbU079084 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247b2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.178]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F149C47FE6C for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:07:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c61de4$0dde4fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:07:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:08:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D11922.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of fashion at my webpage in the future..... Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for something that drapes well in a small scale......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 12:43:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KHhfQP001362 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:43:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KHhXj1008908; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KHgqHL090550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:42:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KHgkqA014124; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KHg3SH013478 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so594319wra for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=XNmEUxfkA/I4z8P+E35ZYZ736F4vPq1qZm/xIXEE7KQai7bND/gZkXJFZTzV/A67Y3CPpKSLJXSesISwIjpt3gbDWi/XVwcO6Q5u7T6hX4st+xP0rvUbnE6YPlNw6J8LHpLQUhJtWXzzAQNL3bRTupeYeckh7Kt3vda2nQMqVng= Received: by 10.65.123.16 with SMTP id a16mr1674639qbn; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:42:42 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need details MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0KHg3SH013478 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:43:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D12145.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! -----Original Message----- >>Oh, I just noticed the wires through the pearls in her parure. Very cool. >parure? >De I'm not the one who use the word above, but I'll tell you what it means to me. Literally "ornament" (French). I've never heard or read the word in assn with 16th c costume. It's quite popular among us Victorians to indicate an ensemble of jewelry, usually a matched set of e.g. earrings, necklace, bracelet. There's probably a technical meaning around, too. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 14:30:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJUFeh003442 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:30:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJU7N1024753; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:30:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KJTRRK012093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KJTN7g018219; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KJTIe3018087 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA070334; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:29:11 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 20 Jan 2006 14:29:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c61df8$04cd5be0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:30:46 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:30:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D13A3F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I sometimes am able to piercing the 'stem' sufficiently to sew them on. When this fails, I encase the 'stem' in a very tight binding of leather or felt and then sew it to the hat. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat > I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep the > feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the feathers are > always sliding out of the hatband, especially when it's windy (which it > is constantly here in the midwest). The quill part seems to be so thick > that the pressure of the hatband itself isn't enough to hold it, moreso > when there's more than one. > > Is it possible to use pins? I can't see pins going through the thickness > of these two hats, or the feathers (without splitting them). Safety > pinning to the band is just ugly. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 14:47:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJlAtY003765 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:47:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJl2ba000752; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:47:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KJaRsT013144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KI1rbN032584; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:01:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KI1dPU032242 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter47.comcast.net ([204.127.205.147]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006012018012701300o5g6fe>; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:01:27 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter47.comcast.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:01:27 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:01:27 +0000 Message-Id: <012020061801.17831.43D12576000E5FDD000045A72200762194CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:47:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D13E36.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you kindly! Elizabeta -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > At 16:28 20/01/2006, you wrote: > >When I recently made the 'Hat of Doom' ( http://tinyurl.com/dmpcb > >) I sewed the feathers on. Basically I just made sure to get the > >thread in between the feather fronds and right against the stem so > >no 'fuzzy parts' were under the thread. I tacked them down in two > >places to keep them where they were supposed to be; the day was > >exceedingly windy and the photo was taken several hours into the > >night (as you may be able to tell from my drooping sleeves, grr). > > > > Great costume!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 14:47:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJlxWZ003774 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:47:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJlqZa008356; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:47:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KJaRsV013144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KIQc6T057490; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:26:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav3.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KIQYJ1057326 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:26:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:26:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012020061801.17831.43D12576000E5FDD000045A72200762194CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:26:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 18:26:16.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFFADB50:01C61DEE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:47:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D13E68.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I finally saw the costume. Great hat. How did you keep it from tilting and breaking your neck? I'd love a hat like yours. The dress is fabulous. One question: are there ribbons down the skirt or is that the sheen of the fabric? I hope to make costumes like that one day. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat > Thank you kindly! > > Elizabeta > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Suzi Clarke > >> At 16:28 20/01/2006, you wrote: >> >When I recently made the 'Hat of Doom' ( http://tinyurl.com/dmpcb >> >) I sewed the feathers on. Basically I just made sure to get the >> >thread in between the feather fronds and right against the stem so >> >no 'fuzzy parts' were under the thread. I tacked them down in two >> >places to keep them where they were supposed to be; the day was >> >exceedingly windy and the photo was taken several hours into the >> >night (as you may be able to tell from my drooping sleeves, grr). >> >> >> >> Great costume!! >> >> Suzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 14:51:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJpm7p003836 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:51:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KJpe34003399; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:51:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KJoklp016591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KJoc74039386; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KJoJsG039080 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AEEF017C; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:50:07 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 20 Jan 2006 14:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c61dfa$e6644bc0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c61de4$0dde4fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:51:20 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D13F4C.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This is my month to play with dolls and historical costume! I am working with a variety of doll kits by various designers...two different issues of Little Women, and additions to my Early (US) Presidents by Yield House. They are not as grand as Tonner but will give ample opportunity to "strut my stuff". A am trying to use all the correct pattern pieces I use on Historical Costumes and not the simplification of construction in the pattern. In the 12" size, I have been able to use Hunniset and Arnold just as they are drawn! I also have a wonderful lady body that is very shapely and that makes the task so much more pleasant than the usual angular body given with the china!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. > Hi, > I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish > importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately > stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) > These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of fashion > at my webpage in the future..... > Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for > something that drapes well in a small scale......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 15:00:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KK0dWB003987 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:00:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KK0VPm008059; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:00:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KJwvrh018229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KJwqET047892; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:58:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KJwXJP047539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KJwWvM051677 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:58:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:58:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <62796.65.117.156.5.1137787112.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> References: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:58:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:00:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1415F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I posed your question to reenactors that think outside the box and the best reply I got was a pretty good one. Sew the feather(s) to a leather bit and place a snap assymbly to it and the hat band or hat. Make the bit small enough so that it is not noticable from behind the band. Hook and eye is just not dependable in a very windy day is my assumption. Especially if your riding something mobil and fast. :) Chiara On Fri, January 20, 2006 10:08 am, Dawn said: > I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep > the > feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the feathers > are > always sliding out of the hatband, especially when it's windy (which > it > is constantly here in the midwest). The quill part seems to be so > thick > that the pressure of the hatband itself isn't enough to hold it, > moreso > when there's more than one. > > Is it possible to use pins? I can't see pins going through the > thickness > of these two hats, or the feathers (without splitting them). Safety > pinning to the band is just ugly. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 15:09:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KK9r0s004137 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:09:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KK9jZn012767; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:09:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KK990A020006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:09:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KK92em058261; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KK8iYv057957 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.155] (pm5-155.eos.net [205.133.149.155]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0KK2f9N004519 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:02:41 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:51:29 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601200349.k0K3nWsu038821@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: the virgin queen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:09:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D14389.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Blech! The little bits of costume that I could see all look awful. And Tara Fitzgerald, to me, has never looked anything but twentieth-century no matter what she's wearing. At least we finally know the answer to what happens to costume design -- they do tons of research and then "cast it all aside." Ha ha! And I just love the idea that men in the actual lower garments of the time would have looked ridiculous to today's audiences. Have any costume designer looked at young men's falling-down pants lately? The word "ridiculous" comes to mind. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 15:13:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KKDerM004223 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:13:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KKDWCl015041; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:13:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KKB5ln020534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:11:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KKB1A6060600; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KKApgS060393 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3C40204; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:10:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 20 Jan 2006 15:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01c61dfd$d6ae0ce0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c61de4$0dde4fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:12:27 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1446C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just looked at your new dolls. They should be Wonderful transformed by Historical Costumes! During the Holidays, I found a booth in an antique mall that had odd dolls by Franklin Mint and Ashton-Drake for $10 and $12 each without boxes, but with their tags. I came away with 5!!. The Gene doll is most like yours. The others feature 2 at about 14" dressed for the ballet circa 1830s, and a face-lovely Gibson Girl about 20" who was "begging to have someone DO something about her mixed period wedding gown. Any way, I did her a new skirt and added a proper veil and she looks wonderful. That gave me the push to get on with all the dolls I was going to dress or make and dress" when I retired". So, I've been sorting all the fabric and trim in the antique part of my accumulation and am off and running. Enjoy! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. > Hi, > I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish > importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately > stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) > These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of fashion > at my webpage in the future..... > Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for > something that drapes well in a small scale......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 17:57:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KMvNet007468 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:57:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KMvEee020971; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KMthTN049782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KMtaKi018824; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f34.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KGBRr6026445 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:11:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:11:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003b01c61dd5$660549e0$62bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] pet hair Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:11:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 16:11:00.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AF91560:01C61DDC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:57:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D16ACA.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We have two right now, great grandson and son of our old boy Angus, who past away a couple of years ago. The son, 'pangur' is the great grandson's, 'sammie', great uncle. If that makes any sense...we also have a domestic heinze 57 who's the bigest of them all! Indie! Obligatory on topic note, I gave up ridding myself of cat hair a long time ago. I also have given up on keeping anything in my sewing room without closing it behind something, as Indie hunts everything in sight...including bolts of linen! Sammie, we got as a kitten. We weren't told that everything is a chew toy to Maine Coon kittens, luckily he has grown out of that habit! They are wonderful cats, and I would own more if Pierre would let me, but the next pet is going to be a dog...when Indie leaves us, he's epileptic and 'moved upstairs' when sammie came home. Estela "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus > >Okay, I'm officially envious....I've always wanted a Maine Coon. *sigh* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 17:58:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KMwWSZ007499 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:58:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KMwOu0030479; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KMw9ZI050127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KMw7bo021177; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KMw37f021012 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E9A87034 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:57:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43D16B12.4080009@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:58:26 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress References: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7E9C54D4B2641-B5C-2F74@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:58:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D16B10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I know nothing about this period: > > http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Where would you get buttons for an outfit like that? Seems like they'd cost as much as the fabric if you had to buy that many at retail. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 17:58:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KMwut2007513 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:58:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KMwmVM021691; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KMwUSi050179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:58:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KMwSiv021464; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KIHeUB048243 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:17:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:17:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 18:17:39.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC4841E0:01C61DED] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Taming of the Shrew X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:58:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D16B28.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0KMwut2007513 I saw part of the movie Taming of the Shrew. It had been a long time since I saw it. Does anyone know where I can find photos of the beautiful costumes Elizabeth Taylor wore in the movie? I loved her hair for her wedding! BR _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 18:04:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN44hm007651 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:04:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN3uai023503; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:03:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KN3Yte051122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:03:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KN3W0R025928; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KN3Uso025908 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so608886wra for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:03:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=lkZjZk+XqsM338re1OcPDL589ah1lLDr1RDoH4doliEWNZ2qFZmXIPpda1YgHnOhcO9MR1f1tN+hkDtYoPwRikWa4OfSODy6PGm2WYJGkJS8fJFaIVHoeRDftfV8EyU0g5/rzPO8L38qvQ3L8KpxLFMFXu0vIOUNDDO6W46fuOk= Received: by 10.54.81.19 with SMTP id e19mr4503432wrb; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 67sm2414219wra.2006.01.20.15.03.29; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:03:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002001c61e15$bb8ffc80$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:03:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:03:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D16C5C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Regarding the word "parure" Obviously, it came from the French. My "Multi dictionnaire" says an ornament, or something that embellishes. The "Petit Robert" says what is used to decorate, or the whole attire of a person including jewelry, or small objects serving to ornate clothing, or a set of cloth (tablecloths or underwear). The "Petit Larousse", weirdly enough, is the only one that has the meaning of a set of jewelry made to be worn together, which is the meaning *I* usually think of when I encounter that word in a costuming context - I know it was used in the Napoleonian era, at least. My other usual sources don't help much, sorry. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 18:05:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN5hKK007721 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:05:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN5ZQm000829; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KN02kU050445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KN01HY022853; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav5.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KINvRc054790 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:23:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:23:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012020061801.17831.43D12576000E5FDD000045A72200762194CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:23:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 18:23:51.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA082400:01C61DEE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:05:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D16CBF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! When I made a feather cloak for a grad project, I used the techniques that Native Americans used. I laid the feather down on a flat surface. Took a very shrp blade, and slid it down the base of the quill. It left a narrow half quill point. This was stitched over the section right where it starts to be thinned. I folded the tip back over the stitch and up into the quill shaft. Forcing it in there and a little glue, and i will not come put. I didn't want to use glue but when it's larger feathers, it may be necessary.. Peruvian textiles are created this same way. Check out Feather crafts of Native Americans and South American cultures. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat > Thank you kindly! > > Elizabeta > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Suzi Clarke > >> At 16:28 20/01/2006, you wrote: >> >When I recently made the 'Hat of Doom' ( http://tinyurl.com/dmpcb >> >) I sewed the feathers on. Basically I just made sure to get the >> >thread in between the feather fronds and right against the stem so >> >no 'fuzzy parts' were under the thread. I tacked them down in two >> >places to keep them where they were supposed to be; the day was >> >exceedingly windy and the photo was taken several hours into the >> >night (as you may be able to tell from my drooping sleeves, grr). >> >> >> >> Great costume!! >> >> Suzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 18:06:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN6GSV007730 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:06:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN68nl024429; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:06:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KN0Tn3050575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:00:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KN0NV1023186; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KIuNfC085921 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter47.comcast.net ([204.127.205.147]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006012018561601400f7ik8e>; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:56:16 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter47.comcast.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:56:15 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:56:15 +0000 Message-Id: <012020061856.8291.43D1324F00046A22000020632200762194CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:06:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D16CE0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks very much!! The hat is kept on by pure willpower almost. heh. There is a hat pin, bobby pins, straight pins and even safety pins keeping it in there. LOL! I had no idea how to keep the darn thing in place but thankfully it did stay! It's really lightweight so there was no pressure on my neck. There are no ribbons down the skirt; its the sheen of the silk velvet. The yummy lustre of the fabric was one of the main reasons I chose it. ;) The gold silk on the guards I hand painted the red swirls and then beaded them. I thought I had posted pics of this on the list but I guess not! :p XxX, Elizabeta / Traci -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Becky" > I finally saw the costume. Great hat. How did you keep it from tilting and > breaking your neck? I'd love a hat like yours. The dress is fabulous. One > question: are there ribbons down the skirt or is that the sheen of the > fabric? > I hope to make costumes like that one day. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat > > > > Thank you kindly! > > > > Elizabeta > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Suzi Clarke > > > >> At 16:28 20/01/2006, you wrote: > >> >When I recently made the 'Hat of Doom' ( http://tinyurl.com/dmpcb > >> >) I sewed the feathers on. Basically I just made sure to get the > >> >thread in between the feather fronds and right against the stem so > >> >no 'fuzzy parts' were under the thread. I tacked them down in two > >> >places to keep them where they were supposed to be; the day was > >> >exceedingly windy and the photo was taken several hours into the > >> >night (as you may be able to tell from my drooping sleeves, grr). > >> > >> > >> > >> Great costume!! > >> > >> Suzi > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 18:07:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN7gX4007753 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:07:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KN7YKp024892; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:07:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KN74gL051701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KN72EJ028945; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KMv3HR019936 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.193]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060120225657.DZXH22454.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:56:57 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060120225656.BMAY1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:56:56 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.21/236]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:57:02 +1300 Message-ID: <007c01c61e14$d3c65ed0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela> <02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:57:01 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:07:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D16D36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > > I have a photo of a great picture of this, the bodice is *not* divided up > > the front. It is much like other bodices that probably have a "stomacher" > > front with a divided skirt. > > > http://glittersweet.com/DSCN9267.JPG > > OK, so I uploaded it already > parure? > > De http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9058606 Google is your friend by the way;) michaela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 18:55:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KNtn1h009072 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:55:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KNtfWd010172; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:55:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KNtJKN059345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KNtGcj069039; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0KNtCxs068981 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:55:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:55:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela><02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:55:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 23:55:10.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[F29EAA80:01C61E1C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:55:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1787D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! IT has been suggested that I research costume trims for the period from which I want to make a dress. I like the portraits Elizabeth Values, Katherine Parr so that is between 1550 to 1580 period. If I use the Katherine Parr dress for sure then the date is narrowed down. Any suggestions as to WHAT to do with this part of my dress. Sketch has been posted earlier. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg is a bit thick for what I want. I want a thinner, warm weather verision and different sleeves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details > When I reviewed my sketch I came up with these questions that might need > to be answered before I get started. > 1. Tabs at the waist- does the dress have the beaded girle or not? > 2. If the underpinning has tabs should the outter dress have tabs? > 3. If the waist has tabs should the hsoulders be the same technique? > 4. Should the entire unders kirt that shows doe=wn the front be the same > fabric or just the front panle that shows? > 5. Is there a way to sew a prectector fabric for the lower hem for when it > drags on the ground? > > I plan to have several types of sleeves to match the weather. I may create > a doublet for the colder days. but that is far down the road. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michaela" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details > > >> >>> <>> "Elisabeth von Valois" Alonso Sanchez Coello, 1565 >>> http://www.mauritia.de/de/renaissance/elisabethvalois.html >>>> >>> I have a photo of a great picture of this, the bodice is *not* divided >>> up >>> the front. It is much like other bodices that probably have a >>> "stomacher" >>> front with a divided skirt. >> >> http://glittersweet.com/DSCN9267.JPG >> OK, so I uploaded it already >> >> The v left between the bands of embreoidery at the centre front is a >> little >> odd, but you can clearly see the satin beneath is not seamed at all nor >> is >> the horizontal band across the top interupted. This is more usual in >> French >> bodices of this time (compare to other Clouet paintings. >> >> Oh, I just noticed the wires through the pearls in her parure. Very cool. >> >> I also found a great reproduction of the portrait of Eleanora di Toledo >> in >> pink, you can easily see her partlet and how the braid used on it was >> used >> for her hair (though possibly a wider one in the hair net) and was >> overlaid >> with a black ribbon for the partlet. >> michaela de bruce >> http://glittersweet.com >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: >> 19/01/2006 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 19:15:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L0FODg009650 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:15:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L0FG03017181; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:15:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L09ZAF061880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L09QVW081404; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L09GeB081102 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:09:08 -0800 Message-ID: <43D17BAB.1020301@msn.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:09:15 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. 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Those are such awesome dolls, can't wait to see your dolls dressed. Some links that might interest you: Awesome faceups: http://www.bellarepaints.com/enhancements-gallery.htm Not sure why these dolls appeal to me (other than the fact they are jointed in 23 differnt places!) the are kind of odd. They are very realistic and alien looking at the same time: Here are some examples of Asian Ball Jointed Dolls http://glassorion.main.jp/ Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish > importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately > stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) > These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of > fashion at my webpage in the future..... > Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for > something that drapes well in a small scale......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 19:19:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L0JdS4009726 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:19:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L0JWA2018474; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:19:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L0JDtc063221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L0J9GW088690; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L0J5Lm088587 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:19:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela><02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:18:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 00:19:00.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[46F22960:01C61E20] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:19:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D17E14.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I like to make wool bias tape from something densely woven, then use it, with a facing of polished cotton for the hem...since polished cotton is difficult to get around here, sometimes I use wacky printed quilters cotton. First off, you make the hem facing, if your skirt is shaped, it will need to be shaped too...mine are usually cut from straight panels. I stitch it, wrong sides together, around the bottom of the skirt, about 1/4" from the cut edge. I then fold under the top edge of the cotton 1/4" and stitch it down, using a running stitch. Then you make the bias tape, I use about 1" widths. I fold and press it in half, lengthwise. Then encase the cut edges of the hem and stitch it down. In the late Rennaisance they used anything from Linen to polished wool to face their hems, women in the Victorian era were still facing hems. It makes sense as the facing is usually made of cheaper fabric, takes the abuse, and can be replaced often. When I worked at the Halifax Citadel, a Victorian era Fort, the dresses on the soldier's wives took a lot of abuse, hem facings would last three or four years, hem tapes would last two to three years. Hope that helps a bit... Kelly/estela >> 5. Is there a way to sew a prectector fabric for the lower hem for when >> it drags on the ground? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 19:50:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L0owoc010755 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:50:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L0oo7r028856; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L0oQQd066378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L0oOIx007884; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L0oJHP007812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F06xC-0000rw-KE; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:50:06 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:50:06 -0600 Message-ID: <20060120185006.rdb0gm2lwk084ck4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:50:06 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > I just looked at your new dolls. Ok, I missed it -- How do I get to see the pictures of Bjarne's dolls? Susan > > >> Hi, >> I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish >> importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. >> Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. >> I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately >> stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) >> These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of > fashion >> at my webpage in the future..... >> Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for >> something that drapes well in a small scale......... >> >> Bjarne ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 20:04:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L14cug011072 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:04:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L14UnO000669; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:04:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L146fL067725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L144Op015966; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:04:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L140jn015744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F07AQ-00025q-II; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:03:46 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:03:46 -0600 Message-ID: <20060120190346.an2upvcdgy04csco@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:03:46 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela> <02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> <007c01c61e14$d3c65ed0$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <007c01c61e14$d3c65ed0$0401010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:04:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1889E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting michaela : > >> > I have a photo of a great picture of this, the bodice is *not* divided > up >> > the front. It is much like other bodices that probably have a > "stomacher" >> > front with a divided skirt. >> >> > http://glittersweet.com/DSCN9267.JPG >> > OK, so I uploaded it already > did you take it back down already? I get a "404-not found" error. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 20:47:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L1l0cX011916 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:47:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L1kqFZ014948; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:46:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L1kOCE073616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L1kLOh047007; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L1kIUf046854 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:46:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060121014612014003t1f2e>; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:46:12 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:46:10 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:46:10 +0000 Message-Id: <012120060146.15049.43D1926200023C0500003AC922064246139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:46:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1928C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I really like the GlassOrion dolls. To me they seem more elfish - would love to make costumes for them. Wish I could read Japanese and find out where I could possibly purchace one of the dolls in the future. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > Those are such awesome dolls, can't wait to see your dolls dressed. > Some links that might interest you: > > Awesome faceups: > http://www.bellarepaints.com/enhancements-gallery.htm > > Not sure why these dolls appeal to me (other than the fact they are > jointed in 23 differnt places!) the are kind of odd. > They are very realistic and alien looking at the same time: > Here are some examples of Asian Ball Jointed Dolls > http://glassorion.main.jp/ > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 22:43:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L3hcvU013896 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:43:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L3hUss014235; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:43:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L3fYiw087460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L3fUQA021099; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L3fR4K020953 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.294.4278626 (4246) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:41:19 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <294.4278626.3103075e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:41:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taming of the Shrew To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:43:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1ADE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/20/2006 6:00:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: Does anyone know where I can find photos of the beautiful costumes Elizabeth Taylor wore in the movie? I loved her hair for her wedding! Her stuff is OK...Cecil Beaton? No, Irene Sharaff, I think did her stuff. But everyone else is wearing costume by the great Danilo Donati and I like their stuff more. Bianca looks PERFECT. It's Michael York's 1st film, isn't it? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 22:44:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L3iQcu013906 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:44:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L3iHx2023203; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:44:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L3hfM6087772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L3hfRT022814; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L3hagJ022705 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e4.4accdbe1 (4246) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:43:25 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.4accdbe1.310307dd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:43:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:44:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1AE11.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/20/2006 6:00:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Where would you get buttons for an outfit like that? You order them by the dozen from someplace like Greenberg & Hammer. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 20 22:49:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L3nJYP014004 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:49:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L3nBN9015761; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L3mifP088469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L3mgNg026057; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L3mc0p025963 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.202.10daaab3 (4246) for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:48:27 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <202.10daaab3.3103090b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:48:27 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the virgin queen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1AF37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/20/2006 3:10:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: At least we finally know the answer to what happens to costume design -- they do tons of research and then "cast it all aside." ************************ Yeah....the best designers do this! Some people think that costume design and fashion design are the same thing. Just make it up! [Not to belittle fashion design in any way. They too are sorta doing characters...The demographic of their clientele. But it's not the same as costume design.] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 02:06:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L76DdA018074 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:06:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L760Pa021977; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:06:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L75Z4S011330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L75VkA040661; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L75Rc7040605 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC2B79C50090; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:00:59 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:05:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c61e59$103acf10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Lead time on most of the shows I've worked on (over 37 years) was usually 6 weeks. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Grant Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:47 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Yes! Theatre is nutts! We've had shows with less lead time! That's when you pull in everyone you know, and even some you don't, you work 18+hour days, no days off, and you collapse at the end, hating the show, and never wanting to ever see the designer again! Yes, that was a big run on sentence. That's what life in the theatre is like...I don't go there any more! And don't ever think I like musicals, or ever want to listen to one...BLECH! Kelly ps: Good Luck! "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >Is it normal policy to start designing costumes with a 12 week lead >time? >I know nothing about theatre or TV, but I need 12 weeks to make an outfit >for myself! > >Susan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 02:08:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L78fWv018353 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:08:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L78XZP023026; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:08:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L78F0o011609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L78FjD042408; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L78BiJ042388 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:08:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACCF14670568; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:03:43 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:08:14 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c61e59$72392c70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Oops, forgot to say that they weren't usually historically accurate costumes, just giving the impression of period (like using zippers, gathers instead of cartridge pleats, etc.) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Grant Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:47 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen Yes! Theatre is nutts! We've had shows with less lead time! That's when you pull in everyone you know, and even some you don't, you work 18+hour days, no days off, and you collapse at the end, hating the show, and never wanting to ever see the designer again! Yes, that was a big run on sentence. That's what life in the theatre is like...I don't go there any more! And don't ever think I like musicals, or ever want to listen to one...BLECH! Kelly ps: Good Luck! "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >Is it normal policy to start designing costumes with a 12 week lead >time? >I know nothing about theatre or TV, but I need 12 weeks to make an outfit >for myself! > >Susan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 02:22:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L7MCAg019790 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:22:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L7M1BS027866; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L7LWxd013273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:21:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L7LVsR050248; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:21:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L7LRdX050217 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A5CE34BC2 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:21:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Taming of the Shrew Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:21:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <294.4278626.3103075e@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:22:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1E119.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1276/6018-0003.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=00 61407&seq=4 Just click "next" for more pictures De -----Original Message----- Does anyone know where I can find photos of the beautiful costumes Elizabeth Taylor wore in the movie? I loved her hair for her wedding! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 02:37:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L7bpdl021629 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:37:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L7bgkg000821; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:37:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L7bOBp015409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L7bMpR060171; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing2.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L7bGP3060027 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6277618001D8 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:37:11 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Jan 2006 07:37:11 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4FDEC3384B; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:37:11 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:37:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Underwear & Menses (was: medieval quote on Received: from [149.169.241.191] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:37:11 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.191 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060121073711.4FDEC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0L7bGP3060027 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:37:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1E4C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Marc wrote: > > Something to keep in mind when dealing with topics like this -- > another difference from today is that the vast majority of the > population before, oh, 1900 was rural, not upper class, and most > people worked regularly. I'm not sure that "women", as a whole, > could often be confined for several days of the month. It is worth considering that in India it was (and in very rural areas is) quite common for women to practice menstrual seculsion, even among castes where women were a essential part of the workforce. Of course, the social and cultural dynamics are quite different, but it is worth considering that having women stay inside for a couple of days a month isn't nessesarily unthinkable, even for rural people. OTOH, I haven't seen any information supporting the notion that European women routinely seculuded themselves during mestruation, unless of course the woman had bad cramps or similar. The evidence that I've seen suggests that European women either let it drip or used some sort of pad and went about their business. I can say from personal experience (WARNING TMI) that I have used cloth menstrual pads for several years and have not had a problem with leaking or smell. Mine are a modern design, and are basically "maxis-with-wings" made out of cloth, but I would assume that the absorbancy would be the same. -Katie Buffy: And what are we if not women up to a challenge? Willow: Exactly! I mean, did we not put the 'grr' in girl? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 02:41:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L7fElA022031 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:41:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L7f6SY002009; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L7e898015795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:40:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L7e8Pa061973; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L7e1Pi061922 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A44512C805A0; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:35:33 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Taming of the Shrew Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:40:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c61e5d$e4b02a20$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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My friend had a program from the movie, with color photos (they used to make programs for big movies). I'll bet you could find one if you advertised on E-bay. Or you could just rent the movie and "Pause". -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Taming of the Shrew I saw part of the movie Taming of the Shrew. It had been a long time since I saw it. Does anyone know where I can find photos of the beautiful costumes Elizabeth Taylor wore in the movie? I loved her hair for her wedding! BR _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 03:43:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L8hjqk030022 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:43:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L8hbPu025642; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:43:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0L8g70H023585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:42:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L8fgNo098964; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0L8fKWp098684 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so549876wxc for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:41:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LyiQQDvhBCrWbXvfb3d/wems3D+G8qVkbv/ArtppAlIUumL9tu+W4aB2/YzOW9FuwqvL0TvCwHPONd5RvWcO96/o9jBHqaPYeBnkLXuvxoEkCTw3YkalBr5M0Bnj32yQ45w9dgIyMLVh8+i4V0t4jXwce33nbKJLBUFkzPJdl70= Received: by 10.70.29.10 with SMTP id c10mr3251817wxc; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.18 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:41:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e6527830601210041s32f91380x623c550c96a93819@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:41:19 -0600 From: jordana robinson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1e6527830601200840w6cc01edm5b28225ca459d1d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <21d.6af7cb3.310262c7@aol.com> <1e6527830601200840w6cc01edm5b28225ca459d1d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0L8fKWp098684 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New BBC Elizabethan drama - Virgin Queen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:43:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D1F439.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! i found a small photo of the "riding outfit" that i liked, and also a sketch of the design, both on the bbc site. http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/images/bank/programmes_tv/bbc1autumn_2005/300_virgin_queen.jpg http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/virginqueen/images/440x245/costume_3.jpg looks like a reddish-brown velvet doublet worn over a patterned-fabric kirtle? it's hard to tell what the kirtle fabric is in the costume photo, and in the sketch photo, the swatch is almost all cropped out. brocade maybe? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 07:40:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LCeZeE009239 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:40:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LCeQkr032693; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LCdl6m068367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:39:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LCdhsQ047672; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:39:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LCddQ1047631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-65-189-43-237.cinci.res.rr.com ([65.189.43.237] helo=[192.168.2.5]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F0I1p-0001lD-Kg for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:39:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@indra.com From: jen funk segrest Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:39:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's it called? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:40:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D22BBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.newadvent.org/images/04351aax.jpg that little square thing at the top edge? What is that called? I've been considering decorating that wide strip of cloth that works as a closure for the half round copes the priests, and everyone seemingly, wore across the high chest to keep them on as my SCA baronial champions project. A previous baronial artisan project spun and wove cloth, and has hand sewn two baronial cloaks. They have worked out to be half round "copes". Since they need a way to be WORN, I thought making a very decoratively beaded, and therefore kickass, set of that strippy thing (whatever THAT THING is called) along with a beaded clasp, or two. I just am drawing a blank on the nameon what those thigns are called... so I can do some design research. Each would have a theme I am thinking, like flora and Fauna, hunting, or something... Anyway I think would be a worthy project , and needed likely, and be hopefully the first of a set of projects to enhance the cloak by following champions with embroidery or ornamentation. Jen/grizel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 09:31:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LEVKZh024512 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:31:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LEVB7E020297; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LESqO5082060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LESlfT018672; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LESgxa018534 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:28:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A51301D0; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:28:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 21 Jan 2006 09:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c61e97$327ebee0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c61de4$0dde4fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><004a01c61dfd$d6ae0ce0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> <20060120185006.rdb0gm2lwk084ck4@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. 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I goggoled Tonner Dolls! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. > Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > > > I just looked at your new dolls. > Ok, I missed it -- How do I get to see the pictures of Bjarne's dolls? > > Susan > > > > > > > >> Hi, > >> I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish > >> importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > >> Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > >> I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately > >> stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) > >> These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of > > fashion > >> at my webpage in the future..... > >> Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for > >> something that drapes well in a small scale......... > >> > >> Bjarne > > > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 09:43:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LEhXVa024703 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:43:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LEhPQu024940; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:43:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LEgRAR083322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LEgPpS025995; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:42:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LEgNFt025963 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:39:39 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:42:32 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcYeH/zBEPJRy/y9Sy6qwVM36owZuQAeLBtA X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 14:39:39.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[820E8610:01C61E98] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:43:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2488D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think they are designed by/for the same groups that appreciate 'anime'. Mostly reminds me of the 60' big-eyed waifs on velvet stuff... HTH! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. Those are such awesome dolls, can't wait to see your dolls dressed. Some links that might interest you: Awesome faceups: http://www.bellarepaints.com/enhancements-gallery.htm Not sure why these dolls appeal to me (other than the fact they are jointed in 23 differnt places!) the are kind of odd. They are very realistic and alien looking at the same time: Here are some examples of Asian Ball Jointed Dolls http://glassorion.main.jp/ Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish > importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately > stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) > These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of > fashion at my webpage in the future..... > Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for > something that drapes well in a small scale......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 10:28:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LFSOdS025616 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:28:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LFSHk4013229; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LFQSR4087398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LFQN3Q050247; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LFPwcO050037 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:26:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.141]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DDA047FE35 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:25:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c61e9f$013b3a90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:26:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bjarnes dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:28:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D25311.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Here is a link for the dolls i have ordered, Matt O'Neill is a male doll, http://www.roberttonner.com/mattdolls.htm Then there is an Emme doll, http://www.roberttonner.com/emme.htm And finally Basic Sweetheart, http://www.roberttonner.com/alice.htm I will have problems with the modern makeup and the long hair, but i dont think i dare to make something about it, its two expensive a hobby to ruin them, if i fail to do it propperly, so i will just make the best out of it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 10:56:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LFu1TW026405 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LFtrjn027003; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LFt894091272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LFt5dF067639; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:55:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LFt2Ra067614 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so752587wra for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:55:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mZXaDuHaaBBmen4DApFSt59wW9b0OwJI4Laax+IWWVD6VICXzjMy6Sf4oSGbT6Ve9ENza+LqaHeCN/5UauSDRBAHXR/p36QnSdlZe8cKc1LZnFZxOcqgzHL8r48pahWk2KsYJRK04hbRN32BERW5y53pvPUB1MFR7u706JmO/io= Received: by 10.54.120.12 with SMTP id s12mr2377641wrc; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.3 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:55:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:55:00 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. In-Reply-To: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0LFt2Ra067614 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:55:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D25989.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This talk of fashion dolls reminds me of a wonderful array of historically dressed dolls by John Burbidge, Les Petites Dames de Mode. Not sure if they have been brought up here before, but for anyone thinking about making period dressed dolls they are well worth a look. He has made a collection of 29" high dolls dressed in period clothing, 19th and early 20th century. I believe that height was chosen to more easily drape the cloth in a convincing manner. They are phenomenal, if you have a chance to view them please do, the accuracy is amazing. I couldn't find his website in any google search, but it is: http://www.lespetitesdamesdemode.com/ Mr. Burbidge lives in my neck of the woods. A couple of years ago a dancing friend of mine wondered why another friend brought his grandfather to my Victorian tea. I explained to her that "He's John Burbidge, you know with the dolls....." And light dawned. I keep hoping he'll offer a hands -on workshop, or behind the scenes look. Katy On 1/21/06, Betsy Marshall wrote: > I think they are designed by/for the same groups that appreciate 'anime'. > Mostly reminds me of the 60' big-eyed waifs on velvet stuff... > HTH! Betsy > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of WickedFrau > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:09 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. > > Those are such awesome dolls, can't wait to see your dolls dressed. > Some links that might interest you: > > Awesome faceups: > http://www.bellarepaints.com/enhancements-gallery.htm > > Not sure why these dolls appeal to me (other than the fact they are > jointed in 23 differnt places!) the are kind of odd. > They are very realistic and alien looking at the same time: > Here are some examples of Asian Ball Jointed Dolls > http://glassorion.main.jp/ > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Hi, > > I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish > > importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > > Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > > I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately > > stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) > > These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of > > fashion at my webpage in the future..... > > Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for > > something that drapes well in a small scale......... > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 11:04:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LG4AGl027019 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:04:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LG42dd031315; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:04:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LG3SfW092077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:03:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LG3SxU072804; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0LG3Qxs072727 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88830 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2006 16:03:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3rOTWFK5rcueLF0DjpIrpH7Nfa4NFhrUcniw3vnMm5auRuH63CxhXVt53CycCbb6CSHooZ7+o7Y35q+FLmC4z5lOT8XQFb0wvFuqH+bjMCdWr5+6Mr0E/YrsSWv38M9wp6BCA8UWdTJ8A0cN/v7f4ILEhLyRvi9DsOs+GGQZD1c= ; Message-ID: <20060121160320.88828.qmail@web51303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.31.85] by web51303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:03:20 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:03:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001301c61de4$0dde4fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:04:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D25B72.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Bjarne, I wish you would try to make more dolls yourself, actually. Even you, with your skills and talent, can't expect to make a perfect doll the first time. That's natural. A new technique, a new skill takes time to master. She sure looked a lot better than my first doll, I promise you. I've just spent the intervening 25 years practicing. Ann in CT --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I remember we disgussed this topic way back. > I was not happy about the horrible doll i made > myself, it compleately > stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) > These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a > historical evolution of fashion > at my webpage in the future..... > > Bjarne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 11:14:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGE2Sc027362 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:14:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGDrNP003399; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LGBuDZ092828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LGBtND077970; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0LGBrJI077903 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13527 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2006 16:11:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nbr4NnoA9QiZVeo+fagiLGZHzCd97ZUu5+YXywFFbfJwAFGyDSO3mH4JXJbwGF2Zf9a6o8wyF+QCribUY3FZWrb88UcheDM1aICSv3iDguosOVul/Y0aOsLcdEcSbR78+/s6yoWAxp4DhhyXJNVXmiZhif1gLkqSLw3p2E354+k= ; Message-ID: <20060121161147.13525.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.31.85] by web51310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:11:47 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <012120060146.15049.43D1926200023C0500003AC922064246139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:13:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D25DC2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I really like the GlassOrion dolls. To me they seem > more elfish - would love to make costumes for them. > Wish I could read Japanese and find out where I > could possibly purchace one of the dolls in the > future. > > Roscelin Asian resin ball-jionted dolls are Expensive. I am quite addicted to them, but if you price the Tonner dolls & say they are too rich for your blood, you may not wish to look any further. The Japanese yen to US dollar conversion can be Approximated by dividing the yen price by 100. The South Korean won to US dollar can be estimated by dividing the price by 1000. The best resource for pretty much all the modern asian resin ball-jointed dolls is gigglegeek's website: www.gigglegeek.dk/ I am getting a page-not-found error at the moment, but expect it to come back shortly. Ann in CT and all her asian resin bjd's __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 11:15:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGFNLC027422 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:15:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGFFPq005545; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LGEfrB093043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LGEfVi079549; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51313.mail.yahoo.com (web51313.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.123]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0LGEd42079487 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6080 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2006 16:14:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zPS77kq4vLBTWCK6fGp2CUR8xmwpIZzntir1jJHja+IKNjAIVwPWKcu+dWALDkCBmxIFzDJDTLd3A6ZV34CGjUVxs13PtJUIC1d//tCpbUaSjoYrN0SCSuA59XJMOss1Qfwa5phVJtzJO4hic3DIt7yIGRSG/1QlRxgE7jcmHR8= ; Message-ID: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.31.85] by web51313.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:14:33 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:14:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Re: fashion dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:15:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D25E13.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- Katy Bishop wrote: > historically dressed dolls by John Burbidge, Les > Petites Dames de Mode. > > He has made a collection of 29" high dolls dressed > in period clothing, 19th and early 20th century. > I believe that height was chosen to more > easily drape the cloth in a convincing manner. > website is: > > http://www.lespetitesdamesdemode.com/ > > Mr. Burbidge lives in my neck of the woods. > hoping he'll offer a hands -on workshop, or behind > the scenes look. > > Katy If he ever does, I hope you will tell us--your area isn't that far from my own. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 11:51:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGplqj029479 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:51:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGpcjL021340; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:51:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LGnm5g097157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LGnhbB002754; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LGne9F002712 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:49:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.141]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6300147FE5C for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:49:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c61eaa$b16c0d80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64> <3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. 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Hi again, Thanks for the link. My mother told me when i was young about an exhibition she went to se where french fashion designers, had made small scale models of historical costumes. They were not exhibited on dolls, but on very elegantly made wire foundations, where the body was made to a wire cage. They were very very beautifull. Unfortunately i was not born at that time :-) I know i should have praktised a little more, but even i can embroider on a long time projekt, my nerves cant hold to waite to make the dolls myself, till they gets pretty enough for me. I am only human and i have many limits. I had to give up knitting stockings for reenacting two, my fingers are two clumsy. When i finally had made a nice work, i dropped a whole pin, and lots of stitches..........sigh This is why i ended up with having to cut out of flat material and sew my stockings this way. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. > This talk of fashion dolls reminds me of a wonderful array of > historically dressed dolls by John Burbidge, Les Petites Dames de > Mode. Not sure if they have been brought up here before, but for > anyone thinking about making period dressed dolls they are well worth > a look. > > He has made a collection of 29" high dolls dressed in period clothing, > 19th and early 20th century. I believe that height was chosen to more > easily drape the cloth in a convincing manner. They are phenomenal, > if you have a chance to view them please do, the accuracy is amazing. > I couldn't find his website in any google search, but it is: > > http://www.lespetitesdamesdemode.com/ > > Mr. Burbidge lives in my neck of the woods. A couple of years ago a > dancing friend of mine wondered why another friend brought his > grandfather to my Victorian tea. I explained to her that "He's John > Burbidge, you know with the dolls....." And light dawned. I keep > hoping he'll offer a hands -on workshop, or behind the scenes look. > > Katy > > On 1/21/06, Betsy Marshall wrote: >> I think they are designed by/for the same groups that appreciate 'anime'. >> Mostly reminds me of the 60' big-eyed waifs on velvet stuff... >> HTH! Betsy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of WickedFrau >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:09 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. >> >> Those are such awesome dolls, can't wait to see your dolls dressed. >> Some links that might interest you: >> >> Awesome faceups: >> http://www.bellarepaints.com/enhancements-gallery.htm >> >> Not sure why these dolls appeal to me (other than the fact they are >> jointed in 23 differnt places!) the are kind of odd. >> They are very realistic and alien looking at the same time: >> Here are some examples of Asian Ball Jointed Dolls >> http://glassorion.main.jp/ >> >> >> Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish >> > importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. >> > Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. >> > I was not happy about the horrible doll i made myself, it compleately >> > stopped my wish to make small scale costumes :-) >> > These dolls are fabulous, and i shall make a historical evolution of >> > fashion at my webpage in the future..... >> > Must keep this in mind every time i go fabric shopping, to look for >> > something that drapes well in a small scale......... >> > >> > Bjarne >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Leif og Bjarne Drews >> > www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> > >> > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 11:54:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGs8hq029591 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:54:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LGs04E022365; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LGrFvY098018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LGrENW005580; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:53:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LGrAoN005428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0Lz3-0002xx-0w; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:53:01 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:53:00 -0600 Message-ID: <20060121105300.pog9whacaz40wcgg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:53:00 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarnes dolls References: <000901c61e9f$013b3a90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000901c61e9f$013b3a90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:54:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D26728.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Hi, > Here is a link for the dolls i have ordered, Matt O'Neill is a male doll, > http://www.roberttonner.com/mattdolls.htm > Then there is an Emme doll, > http://www.roberttonner.com/emme.htm > And finally Basic Sweetheart, > http://www.roberttonner.com/alice.htm > > I will have problems with the modern makeup and the long hair, but i > dont think i dare to make something about it, its two expensive a > hobby to ruin them, if i fail to do it propperly, so i will just make > the best out of it. Oh, my! Bjarne, I think I would take your "make the best of" any day of the week! I can't wait to see the finished product. I don't need another hobby. I don't need another hobby. I don't need another hobby. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 12:10:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LHALnJ030455 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:10:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LHADKF029968; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:10:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LH8u27000779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LH8qdn017011; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LH8msC016888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0MEA-0004Yb-PO; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:38 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:38 -0600 Message-ID: <20060121110838.wuymqrbfsem80wg8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:38 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. 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Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > I goggoled Tonner Dolls! > smacks self in forehead< *DUH* I google for everything else! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 12:21:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LHLBnj031127 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:21:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LHL3c8002515; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:21:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LHKN4F001806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LHKMc2025804; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LHKJ6X025766 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolynscreations1@sympatico.ca) Received: from dehacked.2y.net ([65.93.97.98]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060121172017.YNQX17035.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@dehacked.2y.net> for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:20:17 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (carolynsnew [10.0.0.15]) by dehacked.2y.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71CA83806F for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:20:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43D26D54.20704@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:20:20 -0500 From: Carolyn Kelly User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200601211555.k0LFt5jX067646@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200601211555.k0LFt5jX067646@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 60 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:21:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D26D7F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello I read this message and looked at the link, my daughter who is in love with all things Japanese searched and after a couple of minutes found this link to buy these dolls. She said there are clothes for them sold often on ebay. The URL is http://www.eluts.com/ Hope this is what you are looking for. Carolyn Kelly > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:46:10 +0000 > From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion dolls again. > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > > I really like the GlassOrion dolls. To me they seem more elfish - would love to make costumes for them. Wish I could read Japanese and find out where I could possibly purchace one of the dolls in the future. > > Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 12:31:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LHVIXq031610 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:31:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LHVAAP006811; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LHUFrO003214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LHUDXr032713; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:30:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav8.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LHUAgo032598 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:30:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's it called? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:30:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 17:30:03.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[50743BF0:01C61EB0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D26FDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm not sure what it's called, but it functions as the band across the crst that holds the cope shut. usually a meatl fibula holds it closed on one side of the band. Look under Coptic formal clerigy costumes. One might tell you what it's called. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jen funk segrest" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's it called? > http://www.newadvent.org/images/04351aax.jpg > that little square thing at the top edge? What is that called? > > I've been considering decorating that wide strip of cloth that works as a > closure for the half round copes the priests, and everyone seemingly, > wore across the high chest to keep them on as my SCA baronial champions > project. > > A previous baronial artisan project spun and wove cloth, and has hand > sewn two baronial cloaks. They have worked out to be half round "copes". > Since they need a way to be WORN, I thought making a very decoratively > beaded, and therefore kickass, set of that strippy thing (whatever THAT > THING is called) along with a beaded clasp, or two. > > I just am drawing a blank on the nameon what those thigns are called... > so I can do some design research. Each would have a theme I am thinking, > like flora and Fauna, hunting, or something... Anyway I think would be a > worthy project , and needed likely, and be hopefully the first of a set > of projects to enhance the cloak by following champions with embroidery > or ornamentation. > > Jen/grizel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 15:44:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LKiXTh028562 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:44:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LKiOsb001145; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:44:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LKheID026649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LKhX3r054141; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LKhTsI054104 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BCAC933891 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:43:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's it called? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:43:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:44:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D29D28.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've only seen the name once and it escapes my feeble memory grasp. Otherwise I have only heard them called closure bands and there are usually, but not always two. De -----Original Message----- I'm not sure what it's called, but it functions as the band across the crst that holds the cope shut. usually a meatl fibula holds it closed on one side of the band. Look under Coptic formal clerigy costumes. One might tell you what it's called. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 15:45:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LKixRv028666 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:44:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LKiqob019274; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:44:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LKiKcw026707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LKiJhG054599; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LKiDPr054510 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0LKi89N027017 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:44:09 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:32:47 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601211555.k0LFt5jY067646@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:John Burbridge dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D29D44.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Katy posted: http://www.lespetitesdamesdemode.com/ Wow! Those are amazing. It says on the site that John Burbridge is the senior designer for Priscilla of Boston, a wedding gown company. That is the kind of "historically inspired" design that I, as a consumer, appreciate. (Although I could never have afforded a Priscilla of Boston wedding gown.) How wonderful that he is able to learn about and recreate historic fashions with his dolls, and design and sell new fashion with the company. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 15:48:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LKmdHm029361 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:48:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LKmVPS003113; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:48:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LKknRU027101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LKknJv056107; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LKkjOt056078 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0LKkh9N027193 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:46:44 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:35:22 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601211900.k0LJ03Zk091470@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: knit stockings and bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:48:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D29E1F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne wrote: I know i should have praktised a little more, but even i can embroider on a long time projekt, my nerves cant hold to waite to make the dolls myself, till they gets pretty enough for me. I am only human and i have many limits. I had to give up knitting stockings for reenacting two, my fingers are two clumsy. When i finally had made a nice work, i dropped a whole pin, and lots of stitches..........sigh This is why i ended up with having to cut out of flat material and sew my stockings this way. But Bjarne, knitting those stockings used to be a profession! You have already mastered several other professions -- tailoring and embroidery. How many professions can one person have??? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 16:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LL78sH000319 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:07:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LL70Lp010877; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:07:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LL6Ye5029127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LL6WEm067270; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LL6R7J067208 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0LL6P9N028555 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:06:26 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:55:04 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601211900.k0LJ03Zk091470@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: band on cope X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:07:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2A274.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Grizel: One of the sites I looked at seems to refer to this as an "orphrey," though this is any embroidered band. But maybe that is the only word there is for this. Gail (Myfanwy) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 17:02:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LM2m6S009497 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:02:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LM2evH032563; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LM1mjf035927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LM1kdQ097414; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LJ6NiZ095467 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c7.38f587a3 (16109) for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed43d28623c9; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:06:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060120190346.an2upvcdgy04csco@www.goldsword.com> References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela> <02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela> <007c01c61e14$d3c65ed0$0401010a@michaela> <20060120190346.an2upvcdgy04csco@www.goldsword.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:41:12 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2AF80.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0LM2m6S009497 <<>> So do I . Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 20, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: >>> >>> > http://glittersweet.com/DSCN9267.JPG >>> > OK, so I uploaded it already >> > > did you take it back down already? I get a "404-not found" error. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 17:02:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LM2mCK009496 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:02:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LM2e4b030328; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LM2C9m035984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LM2DKT097635; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0LJ7c0j096252 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12900 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 20:05:21 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:05:21 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:09:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1081.67.188.164.116.1137870588.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> References: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:09:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's it called? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2AF80.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > http://www.newadvent.org/images/04351aax.jpg > that little square thing at the top edge? What is that called? I don't know what it is called, but it sure looks like there was another one on the other side that may have fallen off (look above the chevron square, third to left of the first tab). Someone mentioned that the "tab" or "tabs" came across the chest to hold the cloak on. I agree with this idea. I think even modern priests have the same setup on their altar cloaks. HTH, Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 18:31:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LNVptm011299 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:31:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LNVhwZ003654; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LNUSxK046574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LNUOqI044867; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:30:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0LNUHoK044781 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 89029 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 23:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.48 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 23:30:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060121232730.01d4ccc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:30:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's it called? 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At 20:43 21/01/2006, you wrote: >I've only seen the name once and it escapes my feeble memory grasp. >Otherwise I have only heard them called closure bands and there are usually, >but not always two. >De Don't some clergy still wear copes for certain occasions? You could try asking your local pastor/Reverend/Vicar etc. I would suggest you are more likely to get help from High Anglican/Roman Catholic clergy. (Sorry, those are English terms - don't know the equivalents in the U.S.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 18:38:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LNcGHM011404 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:38:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0LNc9jE006287; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:38:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0LNbHtR047616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:37:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LNbHUW048727; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0LNbE9t048669 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:37:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter78.comcast.net ([204.127.197.178]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060121233708013007odsce>; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:37:08 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter78.comcast.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:36:59 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's it called? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:36:59 +0000 Message-Id: <012120062336.15463.43D2C59B0001C17000003C6722007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:38:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2C5E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Let me ask my other half since he is actually putting one together so he can do period weddings. Roscelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "jen funk segrest" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's it called? http://www.newadvent.org/images/04351aax.jpg that little square thing at the top edge? What is that called? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 19:35:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M0Z8pb012554 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:35:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M0Yw4x029982; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:35:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M0YRd1053891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M0YLu6078534; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:34:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M0YIh9078515 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ITG00JC6XKRK1X4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:34:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:46:15 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Re: fashion dolls In-reply-to: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43D2D5D7.8030008@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:35:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2D332.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Many years ago (late 80's) the dolls were exhibited at the Fitchburg (MA) Art Museum. They are stunning to say the least. I would love to see them again. I'm can't remember if my mom got a book or postcards of them. Of course what ever it was is down in PA where she lives so I can't easily check on them. Jeanine in MA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 19:56:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M0ut4Y012993 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:56:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M0ulNf007177; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M0uSjS056885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M0uPfF091291; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M0uL9S091261 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Gu8DUpzpbUEf+d9iweZCXFvh75vhZEnmrSX30bBdF7vJhq6sqxlKh9VMe41MCftF; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.225] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0TWk-0006Ng-Qb for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:56:21 -0500 Message-ID: <010001c61eee$a435b230$e1399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060121232730.01d4ccc8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's it called? 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Here's a link to a modern vestment tailor; it looks like they call it a "cope closure". http://www.aheavenlystitch.com/vestments/copes/ -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 20:07:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M17O3T013240 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:07:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M17Ggf011883; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:07:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M16sit057999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M16rsT097169; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M16mis097093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0M0vBfN031529 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:57:11 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:57:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43D2DAA6.2040801@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:06:46 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's it called? 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Diana Habra wrote: > I don't know what it is called, but it sure looks like there was another > one on the other side that may have fallen off (look above the chevron > square, third to left of the first tab). It doesn't have to be very long to do its job -- my half circle cloak's band is about 5" long. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Cranach's Venus with a machine gun: Vengeful Venus Day t-shirt & etc. at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 20:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M1GsAo013404 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:16:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M1GlUO015776; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:16:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M1GFgl059068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M1GE07002739; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M1GAfS002696 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=Mt41uvW45ht+j/JwdbA8Po7V+DryVdlTtpHj0y1h333RHGkoBU4ljTtGpt5RiSS8; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.21.191] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0Tpy-0006fP-B1 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:16:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> References: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:15:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's it called? 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At 7:39 AM -0500 1/21/06, jen funk segrest wrote: >http://www.newadvent.org/images/04351aax.jpg >that little square thing at the top edge? What is that called? > >I've been considering decorating that wide strip of cloth that works >as a closure for the half round copes the priests, and everyone >seemingly, wore across the high chest to keep them on as my SCA >baronial champions project. It's called a "morse," although I've more commonly seen that word applied to metal brooch-like fastenings. Take a look at: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10577c.htm -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 20:17:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M1H52v013409 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:17:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M1GvKp027906; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M1GMDS059094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M1GM7e002813; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M1GCA9002721 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=MRKehLNBS6RPIGiYa+VkyeRvW0fMhorYGRl4i41aRyJLlTjz/DAih+l66sOqbCqS; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.21.191] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0Tpz-0006fP-Ot for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:16:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:17:01 -0800 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c63ad4249bebfd4dfb13b8a64c7924069350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.21.191 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] 100-year-old Vietnamese bark dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:17:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2DD09.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >A collection of ancient dresses made from tree bark has been found >in Quang Tri Province. It is believed that is a relic of the Van >Kieu, one of the Vietnamese ethnic minorities in the Central >Highlands. > >According to experts, making a tree dress is very difficult. First, >skilful artisan is chosen to get the bark from the Pi, a tree in the >Central Highlands. He would not chop down the tree, just pare round >it and take a layer of bark. > >At home, the artisan's partner prepared cask of boiling water, with >spices such as ginger, sugar-cane, and citronella. The tree skin >would then be soaked in the water in 10 days to release its poisons. >It would then be dried for a week and restored. On the 14th day of a >lunar month, people would take it and sew into clothing. Sounds fascinating! I'm intrigued by the references to "poisons" (?) and to the "ritual" aspect of choosing a particular day to work on the project. http://english.vietnamnet.vn/lifestyle/2006/01/534345/ -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 22:13:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M3DJAc015695 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:13:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M3DBD6030203; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:13:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M3CjCA073998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M3CddS065951; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M3Cann065930 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.178.177.150 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 03:12:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.178.177.150] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:12:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:12:22 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2006 03:12:35.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[B17D8720:01C61F01] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 19th Century sewing apron images? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:13:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D2F847.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0M3DJAc015695 Hi--I've been wracking my brain (and turning my computer upside down) looking for images I saved a long time ago for women's and children's sewing aprons from ca. 1850-1860. Do these ring a bell for anyone??? I'm recalling rather stylized "pinner" tops in scallop-ey shapes, with the aprons proper being made of chintz/polished cotton, and some rather elaborate braidwork... All help appreciated. LuAnn who promised to show these to someone and now can't find them anywhere.... <> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 22:56:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M3uNOD016477 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:56:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M3uESX017122; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:56:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M3tqwX078964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M3tlcs088946; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M3tiHx088911 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=nEjLI4qI1cqOOfK8sGhh9Bb/lYsibC18ANOl3W/Jm00y58BdPjhTWWTxaBhy20EV; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.21.191] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0WKM-0001yy-Ho for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:55:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005101c60f63$379c31c0$48bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <5535 7.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de1 3d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> <005101c60f63$379c31c0$48bfa6d8@pavilion> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:54:05 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cfb0b664a4a9efc0e133b7d674d246638350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.21.191 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mystery Hands X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:56:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3025E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've been pondering this detail of a painting for quite some time: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33802198@N00/86215971/ Where I found it is on the cover of a book, _500 Jahre Rosenkranz_, the catalog of a 1975 exhibition in Cologne, Germany, marking the 500th anniversary of the "modern" rosary. Unfortunately the book is in German, which is a language I can plod through, but not skim. I've looked in the obvious (to me) places where the cover picture's source might be mentioned (title pages, last pages, etc.) with no luck. Can anyone help me identify the painting? It seems likely from the context (and from what's visible in the picture) that this is a woman, possibly the Virgin Mary or a saint. This looks to me like "Biblical" or "exotic" clothing rather than what normal people actually wore. If so, this is less likely to be a "donor portrait" in the corner of a painting (since they're usually painted in "ordinary" clothes) and more likely to be one of the main subjects. Does this look familiar to anyone? I've discussed the reasons why I'd like to identify this painting here: http://paternosters.blogspot.com/2005/06/more-mystery-hands.html (besides just plain curiosity, that is!) -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 23:15:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M4FG7m016851 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:15:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M4F8Am025077; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:15:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M4E58C080989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M4E1pr099525; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M4DvmR099435 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:13:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.249.58b3acb (48552) for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:13:46 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <249.58b3acb.31046079@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:13:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Hands To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:15:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D306CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/21/2006 10:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, claning@igc.org writes: I've been pondering this detail of a painting for quite some time: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33802198@N00/86215971/ I don't know a lot about the subject, but it strikes me as odd that one group of orange beads is 9, while one is 8. Aren't rosaries in groups of 10? Or shouldn't they at least be all the same number? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 23:22:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M4MDxP016939 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:22:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M4M53G027722; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:22:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M4Lhuq081734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M4LgE8003415; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M4Lc7A003340 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A84A01A4; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:21:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 21 Jan 2006 23:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c61f0b$8e4f49a0$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:John Burbridge dolls Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:23:06 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:22:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3086D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I believe that Mr. Burbridge is no longer with us. There have been extensive articles on his work in both Doll Costuming and Doll Artisan in the last couple of years. I will try to look up the issues tomorrow. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re:John Burbridge dolls > > Katy posted: > > > http://www.lespetitesdamesdemode.com/ > > > Wow! Those are amazing. It says on the site that John Burbridge is the > senior designer for Priscilla of Boston, a wedding gown company. That is the > kind of "historically inspired" design that I, as a consumer, appreciate. > (Although I could never have afforded a Priscilla of Boston wedding gown.) > How wonderful that he is able to learn about and recreate historic fashions > with his dolls, and design and sell new fashion with the company. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 21 23:39:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M4dG3A017271 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:39:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M4d8gv001378; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:39:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M4bbCk083963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M4bYGC011128; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M4bUZ2011098 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F0Wyn-0006fr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:37:29 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060121090317.02a51f60@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:06:26 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat In-Reply-To: <200601210104.k0L147eD016033@net.indra.com> References: <200601210104.k0L147eD016033@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:39:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D30C6C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! To punch holes in a feather quill for sewing we've always used a hot needle. It burns its way through the quill and there is no danger of splitting the quill. You don't need fancy equipment. Just lay the needle across the burner of your stove. Heat it until its hot, then use a pair of pliers (preferably needle nosed) to pick it up and press it through the quill. Return it to the burner to heat again. It takes a little time, but helps to stitch your feathers just were you want them. Pierre "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 01:38:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M6cI74019257 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:38:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M6c9UQ021839; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M6bidl096874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M6benX068803; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:37:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M6bbEF068767 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F0Yr21ANS-0000fx; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:37:37 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c61f1e$5ec05220$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Re: fashion dolls Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:37:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:38:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D32851.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I missed this thread. If anyone has questions about Mr. Burbidge's and his dolls in an exhibit. You can write me privately. We talked extensively about how he designed them. He is a dear man. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 02:43:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M7h4mU020333 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:43:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0M7guTj015132; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:42:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0M7faIb003630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M7fTXG099384; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0M7fQmf099357 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F0Zqn2Q1z-00089g; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c61f27$49035aa0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c61f1e$5ec05220$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Re: fashion dolls Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:41:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:42:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D33780.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sorry, I have been sick all week. Just getting back on the computer. I worked on an exhibit of the dolls with Mr. Burbidge when I was at the Valentine Museum. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 08:57:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MDvPod008125 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:57:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MDvH2B018217; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:57:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MDuliA068726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MDufGb090150; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:56:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav16.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MDucFv090089 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:56:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:56:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey><005101c60f63$379c31c0$48bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Hands Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:56:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2006 13:56:34.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7A98EB0:01C61F5B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:57:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D38F3D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It reminds me of Van Ike paintings or Flemish artists. They often painted their models touching their stomach or holding the drawn up fronts of their dresses. I don't know much more than that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mystery Hands > I've been pondering this detail of a painting for quite some time: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/33802198@N00/86215971/ > > Where I found it is on the cover of a book, _500 Jahre Rosenkranz_, the > catalog of a 1975 exhibition in Cologne, Germany, marking the 500th > anniversary of the "modern" rosary. > > Unfortunately the book is in German, which is a language I can plod > through, but not skim. I've looked in the obvious (to me) places where the > cover picture's source might be mentioned (title pages, last pages, etc.) > with no luck. Can anyone help me identify the painting? > > It seems likely from the context (and from what's visible in the picture) > that this is a woman, possibly the Virgin Mary or a saint. This looks to > me like "Biblical" or "exotic" clothing rather than what normal people > actually wore. If so, this is less likely to be a "donor portrait" in the > corner of a painting (since they're usually painted in "ordinary" clothes) > and more likely to be one of the main subjects. > > Does this look familiar to anyone? > > I've discussed the reasons why I'd like to identify this painting here: > http://paternosters.blogspot.com/2005/06/more-mystery-hands.html > (besides just plain curiosity, that is!) > -- > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 09:09:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ME9fxp008348 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:09:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ME9XKI023446; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:09:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ME9Gl3069776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:09:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ME9FIO096208; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:09:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ME8piX095981 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:08:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43D391FA.6030605@msn.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:08:58 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64> <3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2006 14:08:45.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BA1AE60:01C61F5D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More fantastic figures/dolls was: fashion dolls again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:09:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3921D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Burgidges dolls are awesome. Here is another artist who is in the LA area: http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/ This fellow is AMAZING Too bad the one I know you all would like to get a closer look at comes up with, although interesting, the wrong doll upon clicking. I have written the webmaster to get it fixed so keep checking back! French: Countess de la Motte 1756-1793: *http://tinyurl.com/achdn* http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/figures-pages/French/dela-motte/dela-motte.html Enjoy Sg Katy Bishop wrote: >This talk of fashion dolls reminds me of a wonderful array of >historically dressed dolls by John Burbidge, Les Petites Dames de >Mode. Not sure if they have been brought up here before, but for >anyone thinking about making period dressed dolls they are well worth >a look. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 09:50:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MEo3SD009289 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:50:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MEntoc008943; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:49:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MEmsC5073885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MEmnEi017337; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MDWOaj078204 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A9610298; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:32:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 22 Jan 2006 08:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c61f58$7b28eaa0$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c61f1e$5ec05220$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Re: fashion dolls Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:49:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D39B93.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you for the affirmation that He is still with us. My error. I just purchased a book of his work on Amazon. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Re: fashion dolls > I missed this thread. If anyone has questions about Mr. Burbidge's and his > dolls in an exhibit. You can write me privately. We talked extensively about > how he designed them. He is a dear man. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 09:54:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MEsaeM009385 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:54:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MEsTPD010820; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:54:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MEn7j0073905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MEn6YG017482; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:49:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MDbBo3080435 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA800274; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:37:04 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 22 Jan 2006 08:36:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c61f59$2b39da80$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:38:43 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] another old thread. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:54:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D39CA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0MEsaeM009385 One of my gleanings on e-bay this week was a pinking tool. This small crank 19th C. piece sounded very intriguing. Remembering our last discussion of "Pinking" I decided I needed this . . And I think that there are at least three more up for sale...Also up just now is a number of fluting irons! Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 10:08:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MF8hlH009672 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:08:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MF8ZvG017055; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MF88hx076188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MF85Zp027426; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MF81Hr027381 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55d9.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.217]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 16DEE26288A for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:08:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c61f65$b06f9b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:08:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:08:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D39FF3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys bag. I baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. Then i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the bag of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall also make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 10:34:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MFY9WU010203 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:34:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MFY2eV029294; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:34:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MFXQf3078840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MFXOT5041800; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MFXLF7041760 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55d9.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.217]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C745747FEEB for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:33:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c61f69$39ec6a60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64><3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More fantastic figures/dolls was: fashion dolls again. Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:33:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:34:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3A5EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ahhhhh Saragrace, thanks a lot. This is extraordinary beautifull. What a tallented man, here is really something to look up to. I bow and kiss your skirt, Thanks a lot. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] More fantastic figures/dolls was: fashion dolls again. > Burgidges dolls are awesome. > Here is another artist who is in the LA area: > http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/ > This fellow is AMAZING > > Too bad the one I know you all would like to get a closer look at comes up > with, although interesting, the wrong doll upon clicking. I have written > the webmaster to get it fixed so keep checking back! French: Countess de > la Motte 1756-1793: *http://tinyurl.com/achdn* > > http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/figures-pages/French/dela-motte/dela-motte.html > > Enjoy > > Sg > > Katy Bishop wrote: > >>This talk of fashion dolls reminds me of a wonderful array of >>historically dressed dolls by John Burbidge, Les Petites Dames de >>Mode. Not sure if they have been brought up here before, but for >>anyone thinking about making period dressed dolls they are well worth >>a look. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 10:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MFmDTF010507 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:48:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MFm5Gi003346; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:48:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MFlMVR080189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MFlLfw049487; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:47:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50209.mail.yahoo.com (web50209.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0MFlIPs049425 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 19324 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2006 15:47:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z176FSrWWUWPZJ1xuH5J/dIHsEAK281A07uPqKRqIeY9/edFgy5xpo4bx1H90ip18dUA2hRIFa3BCmTA3qA7wM3l5bGXI9NkVEV3Zr8+ciZhggOKPnEZdMDwqWJR9UK0QSx79QmBBSfXHwjalj4/FFfsG8msE8kx3K9id4PQZls= ; Message-ID: <20060122154712.19322.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.121.148.122] by web50209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:47:12 PST Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:47:12 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Mundy To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help Needed... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:48:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3A935.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello. My taiji class is studying the chang dao (long sword) form, a form used by General Qi Jiguang during the late Ming period (1560-1580). Our class is also planning a re-enactment-- which will be filmed-- and we need information on construction of costumes that worn by the infantry soldiers. We have some illustrations from General Qi's manual, but we are having trouble interpreting them. (For instance, Is that stuff that knee-length garment with what looks like fringe at the knees really padded body armor-- with fringe?) The books I have found on Chinese costume of that period so far have all been about court costumes, gerneral's uniforms, and fancy stuff. Even the Gardner collection here at Brown is seriously short on Ming period costume information for the military. Can anyone out here help, please? Thanks. --Leslie Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... "Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane." http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 12:06:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MH6Ede012200 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:06:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MH66df005383; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:06:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MH551o088549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MH5102091378; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MH4vfR091342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0MH2x8W002338 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:03:06 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:04:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62469.64.156.242.51.1137949470.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43D391FA.6030605@msn.com> References: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64> <3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> <43D391FA.6030605@msn.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:04:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] More fantastic figures/dolls From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3BB7E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! About 10 or 15 yeas ago, my mother was into doll-making and I was fascinated by the molds out there. There are "antique" styles to make the parian dolls, mostly late 19th century and forward from there. I was hoping she would find a mold for a mid-century doll that American Civil War reenactors might like. That would be for making repros of dolls that actually existed at a particular time. There are also doll molds suitable for making a fashion doll, not necessarily period techniques, but all kinds of facial features and body shapes. The base clay can be any skin tone, and then the features painted to any preference. Doll artists have their own ways of doing things, and my opinion of what to do for a historically correct look was different than what my mom wanted to do. One mold, "Coco", had a head and breastplate with fairly flat mounds, perfect for 18th century. Her legs had shoes molded in, and I wanted the heels carved into a better shape. mom thought they should stay as is, since that was the way the mold was made, but I convinced her to carve them and they look fine. Another doll mold , "Isadora", had a torso with a corset molded in. It ended under the bustline, which was a very "natural" shape - I could only dress her in that Edwardian style with the puffy front to conceal the shape. There are a lot more molds out there now than there were 15 years ago. You can buy the soft, unfired greenware or already cleaned and fired. You may have a local doll club or doll lady who has a kiln and will offer advice or classes. My mother would paint on the fired piece and fire it again, multiple times as necessary. (She has her own kiln). Anyway, if anyone wants a custom-made doll to dress in historic styles, getting the doll may be easier than you think! Just watch out for the little foibles in the molds, and remember that doll artists' idea of "perfect for historic" is different. :-) Oh, and the Coco mold with the shoes - I also made her to dress in Regency style, and made cloth legs instead of using the ceramic so she could have flat shoes. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 12:26:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MHQmqx013126 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:26:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MHQetF015975; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:26:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MHP1iF090098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MHOxGI003752; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MHOvxt003727 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so823931nzb for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:24:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=q7s9Hv82lhloq8fE54LI1SUR4u6l4KSQSgkyuxGFbWrC5WSnBLPzOhrg/Jagd1scJyeVnssHad1WBe7UIwASpJSP9tDbZkaz8knG5L0vvi2autG96iXc6sB2gfFeUE7a4F1iZYY3Vse726Dpr8hdqJdub3Fu3WLCDij/FHRQF9A= Received: by 10.65.132.3 with SMTP id j3mr84091qbn; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:17:44 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0MHOvxt003727 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:26:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3C050.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 08:08 AM 1/20/2006, you wrote: >I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep >the feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the If it's a theater piece, a permanent hat, a one-time knock-off and/or cheap materials, I'll even use hotglue then cover the attachment point with a bit of glitz like a rhinestone pin, some beaded applique or passementerie. Careful with straw hats, tho the hot glue seeps thru & burns fingers. For good hats, definite go with the threadloops. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 13:51:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MIpeIh016645 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:51:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MIpW4R030631; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MInsPa000113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MInpVS051927; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MInjlq051857 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:49:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.180] (pm5-180.eos.net [205.133.149.180]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0MInc9N019804 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:49:39 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:38:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601220414.k0M4E3hw099538@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: morse X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:51:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3D434.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It looks like morse is the correct term. I contacted a vestment company and they wrote back to me: "I don't know, how about cope closure?" Ha ha. Gail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 14:32:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MJWdlu017921 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:32:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MJWVfI017008; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:32:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MJQgIV004279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MJQdfQ074217; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MJQZOq074123 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060122192629013007m4vie>; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:26:29 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:26:27 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's it called? Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:26:27 +0000 Message-Id: <012220061926.29162.43D3DC630006F4F7000071EA22007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:32:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3DDCF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I finally was able to ask my other half and he says, "Yes, it is called a 'morse'." He also had problems finding it, but finally found it a while back, but can't recall which of our books had the correct term. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- > At 7:39 AM -0500 1/21/06, jen funk segrest wrote: > >http://www.newadvent.org/images/04351aax.jpg > >that little square thing at the top edge? What is that called? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 15:12:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MKCGVp018851 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:12:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MKC8ZJ001755; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:12:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MK67Go008034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MK62uB097685; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav5.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MK5w0b097638 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:06:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:05:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:05:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey><005101c60f63$379c31c0$48bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Hands Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:05:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2006 20:05:57.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[421FEA10:01C61F8F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:12:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3E718.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I searched for rosary and found "paternoster with medieval clothing". from this, I found this image that is very similar to the one in your portrait. http://paternosters.home.igc.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mystery Hands > I've been pondering this detail of a painting for quite some time: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/33802198@N00/86215971/ > > Where I found it is on the cover of a book, _500 Jahre Rosenkranz_, the > catalog of a 1975 exhibition in Cologne, Germany, marking the 500th > anniversary of the "modern" rosary. > > Unfortunately the book is in German, which is a language I can plod > through, but not skim. I've looked in the obvious (to me) places where the > cover picture's source might be mentioned (title pages, last pages, etc.) > with no luck. Can anyone help me identify the painting? > > It seems likely from the context (and from what's visible in the picture) > that this is a woman, possibly the Virgin Mary or a saint. This looks to > me like "Biblical" or "exotic" clothing rather than what normal people > actually wore. If so, this is less likely to be a "donor portrait" in the > corner of a painting (since they're usually painted in "ordinary" clothes) > and more likely to be one of the main subjects. > > Does this look familiar to anyone? > > I've discussed the reasons why I'd like to identify this painting here: > http://paternosters.blogspot.com/2005/06/more-mystery-hands.html > (besides just plain curiosity, that is!) > -- > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 15:22:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MKMCQb019041 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:22:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MKM4np005654; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:22:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MKLcej009440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MKLaU2005739; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MKLWeC005710 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:21:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=WdW3cSJItyh9e8H9TqQYjRSDGC4IWctDKwSjccxVX3MPqezK3lMzExTkKtHU32Af; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.21.191] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0liN-00073a-V6 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:21:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <249.58b3acb.31046079@aol.com> References: <249.58b3acb.31046079@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:29:44 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Hands Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c9f1697eb82a5474c5430ee077fa03d4d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.21.191 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:22:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3E96C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 11:13 PM -0500 1/21/06, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: >I don't know a lot about the subject, but it strikes me as odd that one >group of orange beads is 9, while one is 8. Aren't rosaries in >groups of 10? Or >shouldn't they at least be all the same number? In a painting, not necessarily -- but I see what you mean. Ten is certainly the overwhelmingly common number of beads in a group, with five as the runner-up. But paintings show bead numbers all over the map -- 8, 3, 7, 9, et cetera. Similarly, the total number of beads in a painting may be 39, 19, 16, or some other number that (1) fits into the space on the painting, and (2) allows the beads to be big enough that you can see what they are. As for actual beads, the best evidence is in written documents, which do generally talk about groups of ten. Surviving beads are relatively few and have often been re-strung somewhere along the way, but something like the Langdale gold rosary or Mary Queen of Scots' rosaries indicate that ten-bead groups are indeed the norm. * * * * * * * * BTW, I haven't plugged my website Paternoster-Row or my Paternosters blog in awhile, and I was going to mention them again anyway, since I've just started a blog-post series on "Wearing your medieval rosary." * * * * * * * * Some different numbers of beads for your entertainment: The man in the woodcut about halfway down this page has twelve beads: http://paternoster-row.org This page shows St. Joseph's rosary from Rogier Van der Weyden's "The Magdalen Reading", which has 16 beads: http://paternosters.home.igc.org/02-linear/02-linear.html There's another indefinite-numbered rosary being worn by St. Hedwig on this page: http://paternosters.home.igc.org/99-gallery/02-hedwig/02-hedwig.html The classic, of course, is the beads of Catherine, Duchess of Cleves, which appear as the border of a manuscript page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33802198@N00/89815411/ Here's one that does seem to be consistently in groups of 10 (as far as we can see): http://www.flickr.com/photos/33802198@N00/20904863/ Here's a particularly good example, I think, of "beads big enough that you can see what they are" overriding realism: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33802198@N00/10134724/ -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 16:26:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MLQJ9O020570 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:26:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MLQBqx030587; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:26:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MLOq8l017323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MLOk2P040444; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MLOd3Q040411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:24:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0MLOadV017076; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:24:39 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Authenticity" , "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:26:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Google Book of Interest to Scots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:26:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D3F873.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've developed an addiction to playing with Google's Digitized Book Search feature, particularly when looking through the footnotes and bibliographies of my own books. While doing this with my new Inventories of the Wardrobes, (etc) of Henry Fitzroy and Katharine, Princess Dowager, I went out to look at "Archeologia" since a great deal of this kind of information seems to have been published prior to 1850 in this subscription based book/magazine. In doing so I brought up History of the Western Highlands and Isles of Scotland, from A.D. 1493 to A.D. 1625: I realize that this is old scholarship; however, sometimes these books have facsimiles of original documents in them that can be used as sources for your own research. Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 17:22:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MMMCIn021661 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:22:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MMM4jj020613; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:22:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MMKgCp022405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MMKenM068594; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MMKaX7068559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-65-189-43-237.cinci.res.rr.com ([65.189.43.237] helo=[192.168.2.5]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F0nZZ-0005ij-PR for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:20:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200601221900.k0MJ05wV057428@net.indra.com> References: <200601221900.k0MJ05wV057428@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E87F2E5-D93E-4620-925B-F637460AD3FD@verybigdesign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jen funk segrest Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:20:31 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 64 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:22:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4058C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > It looks like morse is the correct term. I contacted a vestment > company and > they wrote back to me: "I don't know, how about cope closure?" Ha ha. > > Gail Leave it to me to ask about the ONE piece of clerical regalia without a solid name. I wrote a "ask a preist" service oline and got an answer back in hours - "I don't know - good question!" As well as "morse" i found it's called a "pectoral", though Morse seems to be the more general term, even if it's metal chain. Thanks padre. jen (griz) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 18:34:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNY5An023168 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:34:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNXtsn015673; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:34:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MNXLAN030353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MNXGHa005230; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MI0LAY025176 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:00:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:00:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:00:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c61f65$b06f9b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2006 18:00:20.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5D18CA0:01C61F7D] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:34:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D41663.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I loved the bags. how did you get the tiny petals to stand off the surface? I can embroidry pretty well but have not done any such 3-D work/ I'm interested in how you did it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag > Hi, > I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys bag. I > baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. > Then > i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the bag > of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall also > make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 18:36:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNaJSg023210 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:36:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNaBMx016518; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:36:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MNZlfe030655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:35:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MNZlMc006582; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:35:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MJNpBh072255 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ABC002A0; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:23:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 22 Jan 2006 14:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c61f89$973a5180$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64><3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com><43D391FA.6030605@msn.com> <62469.64.156.242.51.1137949470.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More fantastic figures/dolls Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:25:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:36:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D416EB.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! For the 18thC, there a mold for the Beautiful Nyphenberg doll for which I got the greenware before Christmas. She is cleaned for the first firing. I have a neighbor who has a small kiln for the purpose. I have all the paints and stuff to fly with after this initial firing. It is very hard to wait!! In the meantime, back to my Little Women project. A friend from church just gifted me today with a Huge box of vintage and antique scraps...(Something to play with while THE GAME is on this afternoon) Kathleen (from the'Burg) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] More fantastic figures/dolls > > About 10 or 15 yeas ago, my mother was into doll-making and I was > fascinated by the molds out there. There are "antique" styles to > make the parian dolls, mostly late 19th century and forward from > there. I was hoping she would find a mold for a mid-century doll > that American Civil War reenactors might like. That would be for > making repros of dolls that actually existed at a particular time. > > There are also doll molds suitable for making a fashion doll, not > necessarily period techniques, but all kinds of facial features and > body shapes. The base clay can be any skin tone, and then the > features painted to any preference. > > Doll artists have their own ways of doing things, and my opinion of > what to do for a historically correct look was different than what my > mom wanted to do. One mold, "Coco", had a head and breastplate with > fairly flat mounds, perfect for 18th century. Her legs had shoes > molded in, and I wanted the heels carved into a better shape. mom > thought they should stay as is, since that was the way the mold was > made, but I convinced her to carve them and they look fine. > > Another doll mold , "Isadora", had a torso with a corset molded in. > It ended under the bustline, which was a very "natural" shape - I > could only dress her in that Edwardian style with the puffy front to > conceal the shape. > > There are a lot more molds out there now than there were 15 years > ago. You can buy the soft, unfired greenware or already cleaned and > fired. You may have a local doll club or doll lady who has a kiln > and will offer advice or classes. My mother would paint on the fired > piece and fire it again, multiple times as necessary. (She has her > own kiln). > > Anyway, if anyone wants a custom-made doll to dress in historic > styles, getting the doll may be easier than you think! Just watch > out for the little foibles in the molds, and remember that doll > artists' idea of "perfect for historic" is different. :-) > > Oh, and the Coco mold with the shoes - I also made her to dress in > Regency style, and made cloth legs instead of using the ceramic so > she could have flat shoes. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 18:36:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNaaLC023217 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:36:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNaSIM011037; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MNZcCe030622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MNZc5K006493; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MJ6N1l060874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:11162 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F0kXh-00061p-BG for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:06:29 -0600 Message-ID: <090901c61f86$edd2ed20$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8287FA80-8B76-4F6B-BC74-84BD9FFE9A34@verybigdesign.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's it called? Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:06:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:36:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D416FC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" > It's called a "morse," although I've more commonly seen that word applied > to metal brooch-like fastenings. > > Take a look at: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10577c.htm I wonder what exactly they based this entry on--if it's accurate, they're describing a much earlier use of hooks and eyes than any I've found yet (other than the Roman or the armor-related ones, which were a different type of thing). Interesting! -E House, probably too lazy to follow up on it =} _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 18:45:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNjIaR023366 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:45:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNjAho019820; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:45:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MNinhE031718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MNikGh011120; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MKOZDw007276 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c3.38d3982e (15901) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d43d3e9db269; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:23:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000801c61f65$b06f9b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000801c61f65$b06f9b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:23:54 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:45:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D41906.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0MNjIaR023366 Magnificent! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys > bag. I > baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. > Then > i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the > bag > of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall > also > make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 18:45:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNje2p023376 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:45:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0MNjWfN012298; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:45:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0MNjJ7A031834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MNjIp6011620; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0MNTxDe003457 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.50.175.102]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060122232950.MRZJ16677.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:29:50 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01c61fab$6ca10b40$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006701c618a4$5f776080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <007b01c618b4$f931acc0$2bbfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Aaaak! 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I have been searching around, (and thank you for the links Sue) and found this site: http://www.independenceneedlepoint.com/index.htm Has anyone here dealt with them before? Sheridan ---------- From: "Sue Clemenger" > Well, my first suggestion was going to be Threadexpress > (www.threadexpress.com), since they certainly carry what you're looking for, > but for some reason, the DMC Medicis wool (at least through them) is only > available in the US. So if you needed to go through them, you'd have to get > one of us from south of our shared border to order it, and then mail it to > you. > My next thought was HedgehogHandworks, but they don't sell DMC Medicis. > My third idea was these guys: > http://www.lacemakerusa.com/ > They sell DMC Medicis, but that part of their website isn't fully > functional. I've bought lace-making supplies and embroidery threads through > them before, and found them very helpful, so maybe you could contact them > directly, and ask what colors they have? There's an email address and a > 1-800 number on the "home" page of their website.... > Hope this helps! > --Sue in Montana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane & Sheridan > > > I am *finally* finishing my version of an early period Irish short coat > for > > my Husband, and I find I am nearly out of one particular colour of DMC > > Medicis wool. I go to check the website of the shop I usually buy from (I > > cannot get any locally) only to find that since I last ordered from them > > they no longer carry it. Grrr! (This is the second time this has happened > to > > me with this particular line of wool, apparently I'm one of the very few > > people that actually uses it.) > > > > What I am looking for is a Canadian shop that carries Medicis, that will > do > > mail-order/online. I'm in 'Northern' Ontario, but I'd consider anything > > within reasonable shipping distance. US suppliers are fine as well, > provided > > they don't charge an arm and a leg for shipping. :-) > > > > Thanks folks for any help! > > > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 19:22:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0Mf4o024333 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0MXnH001310; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0N0LxYw036283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:22:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0LuII030571; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0Lp6I030505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0N0LlY9017417 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:21:51 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:23:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:22:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D421C9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Elizabeta, How did you do the horizontal "stripes" on the skirt? Did you sew them straight onto the skirt fabric and then adjust the skirt from the waistband, or apply them after you had the skirt hemmed? Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 19:31:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0VQ6U024677 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:31:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0VJdB004495; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:31:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0N0U4JX037155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0U3Ym034767; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ns.partiallysane.com (ns2.partiallysane.com [69.0.209.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0Tx1b034660 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from laptoptraci (c-67-187-6-87.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [67.187.6.87]) by ns.partiallysane.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0N0TmrJ004705 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:29:53 -0600 Message-ID: <136501c61fb2$5a83baa0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:17:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:31:21 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by DRAC access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (ns.partiallysane.com [66.132.141.236]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:29:53 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on ns.partiallysane.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D423D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Regina, The gold guards were sewn directly onto the skirt fabric before piecing the skirt together. The skirt has a total of 16 gores on it which I carefully measured the length on before cutting so all I would have to do was turn the edge under to hem. After that I mapped out the gold pieces and cut those out; I had to paint all of the red swirls on them which was crazy time consuming so in ordre to paint only what was going to be used I really had to measure carefully. After piecing all the gold onto the velvet and making sure all the guards lined up I then sewed the 16 gores together and roll pleasted it to the waistband. The reasoning I had behind sewing the guards on before sewing the gores together was I wanted to skirt to fall in those tubular shapes seen in many of Cranach's paintings. I figured if there was a seam at each gore it would encourage the fabric to fold in a little bit and fall the way I wanted it to. I think it worked out pretty well. :) Elizabeta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Elizabeta, How did you do the horizontal "stripes" on the skirt? Did you sew them straight onto the skirt fabric and then adjust the skirt from the waistband, or apply them after you had the skirt hemmed? Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 19:47:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0lCPt024942 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:47:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0l4qB010135; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0N0fEO3038491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:41:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0f8kc040477; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav7.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0f1I2040430 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:41:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:41:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:41:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <136501c61fb2$5a83baa0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:41:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 00:41:00.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[AED67630:01C61FB5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:47:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D42788.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Can you send a link so I can see the costume? Sounds like what I'm doing and it might help me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat > Hi Regina, > > The gold guards were sewn directly onto the skirt fabric before piecing > the > skirt together. The skirt has a total of 16 gores on it which I carefully > measured the length on before cutting so all I would have to do was turn > the > edge under to hem. After that I mapped out the gold pieces and cut those > out; I had to paint all of the red swirls on them which was crazy time > consuming so in ordre to paint only what was going to be used I really had > to measure carefully. After piecing all the gold onto the velvet and > making > sure all the guards lined up I then sewed the 16 gores together and roll > pleasted it to the waistband. > > The reasoning I had behind sewing the guards on before sewing the gores > together was I wanted to skirt to fall in those tubular shapes seen in > many > of Cranach's paintings. I figured if there was a seam at each gore it > would > encourage the fabric to fold in a little bit and fall the way I wanted it > to. I think it worked out pretty well. :) > > Elizabeta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wanda Pease" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat > > > Elizabeta, > > How did you do the horizontal "stripes" on the skirt? Did you sew them > straight onto the skirt fabric and then adjust the skirt from the > waistband, > or apply them after you had the skirt hemmed? > > Regina > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 19:57:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0vdT0025239 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:57:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N0vV6h014275; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:57:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0N0tjBx039950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0thJb048369; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ns.partiallysane.com (ns2.partiallysane.com [69.0.209.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N0tcXw048249 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:55:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from laptoptraci (c-67-187-6-87.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [67.187.6.87]) by ns.partiallysane.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0N0tRSc006569 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:55:32 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c61fb6$03bdb0f0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" References: <136501c61fb2$5a83baa0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:43:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:57:34 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by DRAC access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (ns.partiallysane.com [66.132.141.236]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:55:32 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on ns.partiallysane.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D429FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Becky; Here is a link to my gown: http://tinyurl.com/dmpcb Elizabeta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Can you send a link so I can see the costume? Sounds like what I'm doing and it might help me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat > Hi Regina, > > The gold guards were sewn directly onto the skirt fabric before piecing > the > skirt together. The skirt has a total of 16 gores on it which I carefully > measured the length on before cutting so all I would have to do was turn > the > edge under to hem. After that I mapped out the gold pieces and cut those > out; I had to paint all of the red swirls on them which was crazy time > consuming so in ordre to paint only what was going to be used I really had > to measure carefully. After piecing all the gold onto the velvet and > making > sure all the guards lined up I then sewed the 16 gores together and roll > pleasted it to the waistband. > > The reasoning I had behind sewing the guards on before sewing the gores > together was I wanted to skirt to fall in those tubular shapes seen in > many > of Cranach's paintings. I figured if there was a seam at each gore it > would > encourage the fabric to fold in a little bit and fall the way I wanted it > to. I think it worked out pretty well. :) > > Elizabeta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wanda Pease" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat > > > Elizabeta, > > How did you do the horizontal "stripes" on the skirt? Did you sew them > straight onto the skirt fabric and then adjust the skirt from the > waistband, > or apply them after you had the skirt hemmed? > > Regina > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 20:33:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N1X5ZN025920 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:33:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N1WvQP028130; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:33:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0N1WA5v043791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N1W8p4066107; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N1W5go066033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0qYh-0006DQ-Iu; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0600 Message-ID: <20060122193151.mh1rivskqcooggk0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting Becky : > Can you send a link so I can see the costume? Sounds like what I'm > doing and it might help me. She's the Featured Attyre on Festive Attyre for the past week http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/feature/feature.html Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 22 20:57:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N1vPnl026336 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:57:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0N1vHZk005405; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:57:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0N1uGd2046875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N1uAb6079070; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0N1u5lX079022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0N1u22n021201 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:56:04 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:57:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <136501c61fb2$5a83baa0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:57:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D437FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a skirt cut out that way too, but I haven't started sewing it together yet. Looks as though we were thinking alike when it comes to the big pleats. I just saw a painting that has those pleats knife pleated looking. I wonder if the dress hadn't been packed in a trunk and the roundness pinched. Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Crimson Vision > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:17 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat > > > Hi Regina, > > The gold guards were sewn directly onto the skirt fabric before > piecing the > skirt together. The skirt has a total of 16 gores on it which I carefully > measured the length on before cutting so all I would have to do > was turn the > edge under to hem. After that I mapped out the gold pieces and cut those > out; I had to paint all of the red swirls on them which was crazy time > consuming so in ordre to paint only what was going to be used I really had > to measure carefully. After piecing all the gold onto the velvet > and making > sure all the guards lined up I then sewed the 16 gores together and roll > pleasted it to the waistband. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 06:37:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NBbcWk030170 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:37:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NBbSwh020544; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NBagqv001273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NBaZJr051366; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f16.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NBaScV051265 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:36:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 151.199.157.10 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:36:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.199.157.10] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43D10AF8.40304@reddawn.net> From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:36:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 11:36:22.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C4956D0:01C62011] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:37:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4BFF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I was successful by sewing a stitch thru the hat, making a loop around the quill, repeat, tie off. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] attaching feathers to a hat >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:08:24 -0600 > >I'm curious, those of you who make or wear hats... how do you keep the >feathers on? I've got two purchased hats and it seems the feathers are >always sliding out of the hatband, especially when it's windy (which it is >constantly here in the midwest). The quill part seems to be so thick that >the pressure of the hatband itself isn't enough to hold it, moreso when >there's more than one. > >Is it possible to use pins? I can't see pins going through the thickness of >these two hats, or the feathers (without splitting them). Safety pinning to >the band is just ugly. > > > >Dawn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 06:54:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NBscgV002556 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:54:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NBsUYk026415; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NBr5gB002751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NBr3OP059914; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NBr1gU059894 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 28242338D2 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:53:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:53:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] valois embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:54:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4C3F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks to the enlargement of the forepart section, I have pretty much the embroidery design for the bands running down the sides near the forepart. There are two types of stylized irises. The one that looks like a tulip when looking at the full portrait is a bearded iris design and the other looks to be Dutch, Siberian or unguicularis (Greek iris). It's probably the Dutch. Thank you Becky for inspiring me to do more research on this gown. I have some salmon coloured satin that I have set aside some time back for this gown with a cream instead of white for the sleeves and forepart. Now if only I get down to at least a size 18 which is probably going to happen by the time I am done with the embroidery part. :P De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 07:29:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NCTLk6005501 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:29:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NCTDjp006470; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:29:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NCSuU2006716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NCSswZ082884; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NCSoMC082849 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:28:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <136501c61fb2$5a83baa0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> <20060122193151.mh1rivskqcooggk0@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:28:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 12:28:50.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[90811380:01C62018] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:29:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4CC19.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I saw that one. I didn't know that was the dress in the discussion. I love that dress. I don't know if I'm that bold to wear orange and that hat. If I had somewhere to wear it, I would though. I'm working on my Renaissance dress and can't wait to wear it to the Ren Fair this year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat > Quoting Becky : > >> Can you send a link so I can see the costume? Sounds like what I'm doing >> and it might help me. > > She's the Featured Attyre on Festive Attyre for the past week > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/feature/feature.html > > Jerusha > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 07:38:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NCcctU005704 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:38:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NCcVL3009984; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NCc2Lm007527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NCbvBx087197; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NCbs2r087137 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:37:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:37:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] valois embroidery Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:37:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 12:37:50.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2948DA0:01C62019] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:38:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4CE47.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm using this for the main design of my gown. The lady who suggested researching it more has written several books on the tablet weaving and trim of that time. She suggested lace but I like the embroidery designs. I found a site that had couching and trupunto for the time. I like those as well, so I'm combining techniques to make my own gown front. I printed the picture and have been trying to refine the details on the dress. I wasn't sure about some of it. I researched the metal threads on the front when I studied Ancient textiles in school. This technique was in my Japanese class. The metal is a wrapped cotton thread that can be made into TINY knots that were forbidden to all except the emperor. it often made the seamstress go blind, or so the book said. It is the same technique in Mandarin medallions, if you're interested. It is couched alot also. It looks like a solid metal thread but it isn't. It takes an eye piece to see the details up close. I loved those classes on ancient textiles. 9Hnads-on was great. We had the actual fabrics from Peruvian mummies and Japanese dynasties)Now I'm learning about Renaissance textiles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:53 AM Subject: [h-cost] valois embroidery > Thanks to the enlargement of the forepart section, I have pretty much the > embroidery design for the bands running down the sides near the forepart. > There are two types of stylized irises. The one that looks like a tulip > when > looking at the full portrait is a bearded iris design and the other looks > to > be Dutch, Siberian or unguicularis (Greek iris). It's probably the Dutch. > Thank you Becky for inspiring me to do more research on this gown. > I have some salmon coloured satin that I have set aside some time back for > this gown with a cream instead of white for the sleeves and forepart. > Now if only I get down to at least a size 18 which is probably going to > happen by the time I am done with the embroidery part. :P > > De > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 08:53:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NDrmVi007091 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:53:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NDreLR011063; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:53:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NDlnSf014620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NDlkp3027947; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NDlhiv027857 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <43D4DE88.7060406@msn.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:47:52 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 13:47:37.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[924DE340:01C62023] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:53:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4DFE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am a member of a "re-enactment" group which is supposed to be representing late 16th century English/Scotish/Irish "trades people" at a particluar venue. We are trying to recruit more members and I am looking for a _reasonably_ priced shoe to recomend to men for this. I was thinking about Birkenstocks Boston http://tinyurl.com/co65s or Betula http://tinyurl.com/aktb5 type mule/clog. I have seen these for as little as $40 online. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Because we are on our feet all day, they need to have good support so gillies I don't think will work. BTW, take a look at these mini gillies...they are so cute! http://www.irishindeed.com/browse.cfm/4,1193.html They might fit a large doll Bjarne! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 10:20:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFKUlR008863 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:20:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFKLaT030571; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:20:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NFIxQG042984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:18:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NFIqiR088357; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NFIiPf088233 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.229]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 64CA35EE0AE for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:18:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c62030$52aa7660$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c61f65$b06f9b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:18:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:20:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4F435.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Becky, You should get Helan Pierce's Dimentional Embroidery. Its a lovely book . All her projekts in this book are made in wool, but you can easy adapt them to the yarn you prefer. I translated and used Eterna stranded Silk Floss. Each petal is first outlined with a thin wire, then the edge is heavily buttonhole stitched. Finally you stitch with short and long stitch of the whole petal. When all things is done, they can be cut out and sewed onto the foundation embroidery and this way it gets 3 dimentional. I have 2 flower buds, 4 green leaves and 2 full blomed flowers in dimentional embroidery on this bag. It really looks much more difficult than it is, i was quite surprised how easy it was done and also how lovely it looks when embroidery gets dimentional. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag >I loved the bags. how did you get the tiny petals to stand off the surface? >I can embroidry pretty well but have not done any such 3-D work/ I'm >interested in how you did it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:08 AM > Subject: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag > > >> Hi, >> I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys bag. I >> baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. >> Then >> i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the >> bag >> of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall also >> make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 10:35:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFZF19009132 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:35:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFZ7Ys006647; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:35:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NFTTV8044526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NFTIdj097092; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NBXSsc049781 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D54338AC for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:33:26 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:33:35 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Valois dress diary X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:35:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4F7AB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.vertetsable.com/diaries_redbrocade.htm#sketch http://www.songsmyth.com/1560frenchkirtle.html I love this picture. It gives me a larger picture of the "embroidery" The scrolled leaves overlap. http://www.songsmyth.com/1560french/valoisforepartcloseup.jpg Does the forepart have textured material or are those pearls? The edge of the gowns opening in the full portraits online gave me the impression that it was edged in pearls. Now I am not sure. Either Coello was loose in his rendition of the embroidery or the embroiderers were not consistent. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 10:44:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFi5FF009308 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFhv7R011666; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:43:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NFhX23046202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NFhRLS009482; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NDYEEI019435 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:34:09 -0800 Message-ID: <43D4DB60.9070503@msn.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:34:24 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 13:34:09.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0A12C00:01C62021] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "New" trend in Men's shoes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4F9BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Wow, some of these shoes have a positively "period" feel to them...is this a new trend; the more pointy toe?? I am not up on current fashion at all. Sg http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=1624520 http://tinyurl.com/dwm8w http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=1625026 http://tinyurl.com/7fgy4 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 10:44:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFi8Ye009311 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFi0r5030683; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NFhM1I046169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NFhGxi009247; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NCRLAw082143 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:27:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.193]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060123122712.BBKW4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:27:12 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060123122711.YMFK1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:27:11 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.21/236]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:27:10 +1300 Message-ID: <00b001c62018$55357af0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <029901c61d8b$3cc12b70$0401010a@michaela><02b101c61d8d$68726700$0401010a@michaela><007c01c61e14$d3c65ed0$0401010a@michaela><20060120190346.an2upvcdgy04csco@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need details Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:27:08 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4F9C0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I took it down as it was a large file and I didn't get any feedback that it was useful. I don't like to waste space if somthing is of no benefit;) If it was of interest, I'll put it back up. michaela http://glittersweet.com <<>> So do I . Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 20, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: >>> >>> > http://glittersweet.com/DSCN9267.JPG >>> > OK, so I uploaded it already >> > > did you take it back down already? I get a "404-not found" error. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 10:44:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFiHTc009317 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NFi9eg010237; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NFhdZo046224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NFhY7N009602; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NC5iO4069561 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:05:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FB92338A1 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:05:43 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] valois embroidery Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:05:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:44:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D4F9C9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How odd I had sent the two dress diaries I had found on line two hours before this one and this one showed up in ten minutes and I still don't see the diaries post. hmmm De -----Original Message----- Thanks to the enlargement of the forepart section, I have pretty much the embroidery design for the bands running down the sides near the forepart. [snip]this gown with a cream instead of white for the sleeves and forepart. Now if only I get down to at least a size 18 which is probably going to happen by the time I am done with the embroidery part. :P De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 11:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NGZ43P011369 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:35:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NGYsCx012519; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NGX62S053876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:33:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NGWnOq050369; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:32:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NGWY8o050090 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:32:29 -0800 Message-ID: <43D5052C.1080401@msn.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:32:44 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More fantastic figures/dolls was: fashion dolls again. References: <003b01c61e98$e9a5d760$6401a8c0@PYC64><3586f5070601210755n30a6bdc9lbe8dfd55d99e51d8@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c61f69$39ec6a60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000d01c61f69$39ec6a60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 16:32:29.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A2B9FA0:01C6203A] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:34:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D505AE.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am always just happy to have made someone else happy by sharing information...no kissing of skirts necessary! I was thinking that someday I'd like to make a dress in the styles/era you work in, bring it to Denmark and have you be my escort to one of those fabulous balls you go to though! Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Ahhhhh Saragrace, thanks a lot. This is extraordinary beautifull. What > a tallented man, here is really something to look up to. > I bow and kiss your skirt, > Thanks a lot. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 11:38:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NGcvsL011443 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:38:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NGcnbY014882; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:38:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NGauNQ054510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NGaq2O053735; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NF0C5r073662 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter72.comcast.net ([204.127.205.172]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006012315000001300gn1t2e>; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:00:05 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter72.comcast.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:59:58 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:59:58 +0000 Message-Id: <012320061459.24290.43D4EF6E000BB92400005EE22200750438CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:38:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D50699.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Heehee, yes I was worried about the hat myself. I took preliminary pics and made all my friends look at them and tell me it wasn't 'too much' as I was rather worried. :p There's no orange though; the pictures might make it look like that but its a deep gold silk on a deep brick red velvet. :) Elizabeta -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Becky" > I saw that one. I didn't know that was the dress in the discussion. I love > that dress. I don't know if I'm that bold to wear orange and that hat. If I > had somewhere to wear it, I would though. I'm working on my Renaissance > dress and can't wait to wear it to the Ren Fair this year. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan B. Farmer" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeta's Garb was: attaching feathers to a hat > > > > Quoting Becky : > > > >> Can you send a link so I can see the costume? Sounds like what I'm doing > >> and it might help me. > > > > She's the Featured Attyre on Festive Attyre for the past week > > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/feature/feature.html > > > > Jerusha > > ----- > > Susan Farmer > > sfarmer@goldsword.com > > University of Tennessee > > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 14:52:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NJqLaP016585 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NJqDWN005733; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NJpPcT086297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NJoTD6031818; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NJoJv7031683 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A26912B9029A; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:45:45 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:50:22 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c62056$3f90ac40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0NJoJv7031683 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D533ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At our local faire, it is strongly suggested that "closed" shoes be worn, so stuff isn't constantly getting in and also so your shoes don't inadvertently fall off. Plain closed shoes can be found at www.landsend.com Those are what I wear and I spend most of the day on my feet. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions I am a member of a "re-enactment" group which is supposed to be representing late 16th century English/Scotish/Irish "trades people" at a particluar venue. We are trying to recruit more members and I am looking for a _reasonably_ priced shoe to recomend to men for this. I was thinking about Birkenstocks Boston http://tinyurl.com/co65s or Betula http://tinyurl.com/aktb5 type mule/clog. I have seen these for as little as $40 online. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Because we are on our feet all day, they need to have good support so gillies I don't think will work. BTW, take a look at these mini gillies...they are so cute! http://www.irishindeed.com/browse.cfm/4,1193.html They might fit a large doll Bjarne! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 15:12:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NKCJeU017080 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:12:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NKCBR5018316; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NK6LGZ088682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NK6Gci046688; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NK66Yj046532 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6203D10276; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:01:36 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valois dress diary Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:06:13 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01c62058$763c9310$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I had never done it before and was pleasantly surprised at how fast and easy it was. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:34 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Valois dress diary http://www.vertetsable.com/diaries_redbrocade.htm#sketch http://www.songsmyth.com/1560frenchkirtle.html I love this picture. It gives me a larger picture of the "embroidery" The scrolled leaves overlap. http://www.songsmyth.com/1560french/valoisforepartcloseup.jpg Does the forepart have textured material or are those pearls? The edge of the gowns opening in the full portraits online gave me the impression that it was edged in pearls. Now I am not sure. Either Coello was loose in his rendition of the embroidery or the embroiderers were not consistent. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 15:56:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NKuaJS018113 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:56:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NKuS5a012922; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NKtX0q096854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NKtQvJ092410; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NKtLTB092245 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter03.comcast.net ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060123205515m12008kogfe>; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:55:15 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter03.comcast.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:55:12 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:55:12 +0000 Message-Id: <012320062055.8381.43D542B0000D3E14000020BD22007456729C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:56:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D542FC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It is absolutely gorgeous, Bjarne. Roscelin > > On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Hi, > > I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys > > bag. I > > baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. > > Then > > i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the > > bag > > of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall > > also > > make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 16:57:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NLvVj2019915 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:57:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NLvMgA016336; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NLu5A6006649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NLtmvJ047801; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:55:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NLtgFN047689 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2476c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.108]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C0DDD47FE46 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:55:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c62067$c9aa7670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:55:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] replica of Christian VII's wedding suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:57:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D55142.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! You must se this. Mauritia Kirchner whom i know and admirer, have met her many times at the gustavians, has made an outstanding brilliant work. She made a replica of the danish king Christian VII his weddingsuit when he married Carolina Mathilda from England in 1766. I have seen the original once and have pictures of it in some of my costume books. This is to die for: Even the fabric is specially wowen for this projekt with 3 kg. of silver........... http://www.mauritia.de/en/rococo/c7.html Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 17:55:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NMt1H0022395 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:55:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NMsqJZ014722; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0NMrxiN016359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NMrpsd002490; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav8.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NMrgx7002309 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:53:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:53:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c62067$c9aa7670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] replica of Christian VII's wedding suit Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:53:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 22:53:38.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[D974FFA0:01C6206F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D55EBC.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That is one fabulous suit!!! It must have taken a major investment of time as well as money. Was it for another wedding or just a replica of the original one? Either way, it ouwld take a very confident man to wear that with his lacey cuffs and beauty mark on his cheek. That suit is the sppitamy of the well dressed man... monarch that is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] replica of Christian VII's wedding suit > You must se this. Mauritia Kirchner whom i know and admirer, have met her > many times at the gustavians, has made an outstanding brilliant work. > She made a replica of the danish king Christian VII his weddingsuit when > he married Carolina Mathilda from England in 1766. I have seen the > original once and have pictures of it in some of my costume books. > This is to die for: > Even the fabric is specially wowen for this projekt with 3 kg. of > silver........... > http://www.mauritia.de/en/rococo/c7.html > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 19:37:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0bgLM028090 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:37:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0bWrl003364; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O06M4a027915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NKarVt075684; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NKZ19Z074038 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.127]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060123195759.LNDI3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:57:59 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060123135258.02873910@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:57:55 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Soutache Braid X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:37:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D576CC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am trying to help a friend find documentation for Soutache Braid in the 16th century. Does anyone know of an existing example or of good examples in period portraits? Drea, you mentioned using it in your webpage on ruffs: http://costume.dm.net/ruffmake.html Thanks. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 19:42:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0gCv3028198 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:42:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0g4wT006294; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:42:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O06M4e027915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NHM9dr092223; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav3.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NGxXvf073052 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:59:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:59:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c61f65$b06f9b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <000b01c62030$52aa7660$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:59:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 16:59:27.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E8C44F0:01C6203E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:42:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D577DC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yhanks. I will look that book up. Maybe the library has it locally. I love your embroidery. I used to make pillow cases for wedding gifts. My grandmother-in-law said it was the tiniest stitches she'd ever seen. I have one set that I kept. My 2 year old tried to help me with it. She snipped a big hole in one. I covered it with an applique butterfly. No one would know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag > Hi Becky, > You should get Helan Pierce's Dimentional Embroidery. Its a lovely book . > All her projekts in this book are made in wool, but you can easy adapt > them to the yarn you prefer. I translated and used Eterna stranded Silk > Floss. > Each petal is first outlined with a thin wire, then the edge is heavily > buttonhole stitched. Finally you stitch with short and long stitch of the > whole petal. When all things is done, they can be cut out and sewed onto > the foundation embroidery and this way it gets 3 dimentional. I have 2 > flower buds, 4 green leaves and 2 full blomed flowers in dimentional > embroidery on this bag. > It really looks much more difficult than it is, i was quite surprised how > easy it was done and also how lovely it looks when embroidery gets > dimentional. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag > > >>I loved the bags. how did you get the tiny petals to stand off the >>surface? I can embroidry pretty well but have not done any such 3-D work/ >>I'm interested in how you did it. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:08 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag >> >> >>> Hi, >>> I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys bag. >>> I >>> baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. >>> Then >>> i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the >>> bag >>> of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall >>> also >>> make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. >>> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >>> >>> Bjarne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Leif og Bjarne Drews >>> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>> >>> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 19:53:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0rjqq028516 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:53:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0rbus013252; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:53:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O0rIir036106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:53:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O0rFTB001556; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NJHVQH000502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F17Bg-0003pM-5i; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:17:12 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:17:11 -0600 Message-ID: <20060123131711.fj8jwuankt8g008s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:17:11 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting michaela : > I took it down as it was a large file and I didn't get any feedback that it > was useful. I don't like to waste space if somthing is of no benefit;) If it > was of interest, I'll put it back up. > I'd like to see it again. If you want, you can just email it to me. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 19:54:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0spMM028704 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:54:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0shUC002359; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O0sHNK036231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O0s9kQ002121; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu (uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NJOIPK006114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from david_serxner@ncsu.edu) Received: from [152.1.149.85] (acq-GGS4421.lib.ncsu.edu [152.1.149.85]) by uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Nv5.2006.0123) with ESMTP id k0NJBwxp008753 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:12:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43D52A7E.6090701@ncsu.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:11:58 -0500 From: David Serxner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2006.01.23.094607 X-Spam-Status: No, Hits=7% X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Italian peasant headdresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:54:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D57AD3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Good Afternoon All: I am doing a production of Pagliacci and need to find information on 19th century Italian peasant headdresses. I have the engravings from Racinet, but no idea of how to recreate the things I see. I am open for suggestions! Thanks! David -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 19:55:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0tBNZ028765 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0t3Ph032421; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O0scxs036283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O0sbTp002518; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0NK06kg040688 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060123195956m12008s43se>; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:59:56 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:59:53 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:59:53 +0000 Message-Id: <012320061959.4321.43D535B9000309DA000010E122058891169C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stumpwork X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D57AE7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, Have you looked or used these books for stumpwork Beginner's Guide to Stumpwork" by Kay Dennis or "Stumpwork Embroidery: A Collection of Fruits, Flowers and Insects" and "Stumpwork Embroidery: Designs and Projects" both by Jane Nicholas? If you or anyone else on the list has: what did you think of them for a beginner? Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi Becky, > You should get Helan Pierce's Dimentional Embroidery. Its a lovely book . > All her projekts in this book are made in wool, but you can easy adapt them > to the yarn you prefer. I translated and used Eterna stranded Silk Floss. > Each petal is first outlined with a thin wire, then the edge is heavily > buttonhole stitched. Finally you stitch with short and long stitch of the > whole petal. When all things is done, they can be cut out and sewed onto the > foundation embroidery and this way it gets 3 dimentional. I have 2 flower > buds, 4 green leaves and 2 full blomed flowers in dimentional embroidery on > this bag. > It really looks much more difficult than it is, i was quite surprised how > easy it was done and also how lovely it looks when embroidery gets > dimentional. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag > > > >I loved the bags. how did you get the tiny petals to stand off the surface? > >I can embroidry pretty well but have not done any such 3-D work/ I'm > >interested in how you did it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:08 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag > > > > > >> Hi, > >> I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys bag. I > >> baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. > >> Then > >> i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the > >> bag > >> of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall also > >> make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. > >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > >> > >> Bjarne > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leif og Bjarne Drews > >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >> > >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 19:55:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0tR4F028816 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O0tJJO030662; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O0t3V1036378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O0t27Q002878; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53211.mail.yahoo.com (web53211.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0NKhTF7081370 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 200 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2006 20:43:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CMh5HUmnQc1+ELcywbNWKOSfQZ2JXJjyGPT23y1aO3COqteUYlDWbVni6dFEfKLqV6ERST+Q8O1OueRAffNF3ENXsQ3nYwwA5i8FHM7sQ4MORK0RXaYqMCKuIcEXFeUY48wxGrL3dyYwxTHky/GnjIjlIf58HbqwQ+8+2wv2ctY= ; Message-ID: <20060123204324.198.qmail@web53211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.85.76] by web53211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:43:24 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D57AF7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm a nurse who is on her feet 8 to 16 hours a day and all I wear are gillies made by Native Earth with Birkenstock soles. The price is comparable to full-price Birkenstocks. Not $40, but an alternative.... and VERY comfortable on the feet. Kathy WickedFrau wrote: I am a member of a "re-enactment" group which is supposed to be representing late 16th century English/Scotish/Irish "trades people" at a particluar venue. We are trying to recruit more members and I am looking for a _reasonably_ priced shoe to recomend to men for this. I was thinking about Birkenstocks Boston http://tinyurl.com/co65s or Betula http://tinyurl.com/aktb5 type mule/clog. I have seen these for as little as $40 online. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Because we are on our feet all day, they need to have good support so gillies I don't think will work. BTW, take a look at these mini gillies...they are so cute! http://www.irishindeed.com/browse.cfm/4,1193.html They might fit a large doll Bjarne! 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References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D57B16.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! WickedFrau wrote: > Wow, some of these shoes have a positively "period" feel to them...is > this a new trend; the more pointy toe?? I am not up on current fashion > at all. Was it this list on which we discussed "winkle picker" retro shoes, maybe five months back? Part of that trend, I suspect. I'll know things have really gotten historical when we see those broad-toed slased Henry 8 type shoes. I wouldn't put money on it, though. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Cranach's Venus with a machine gun: Vengeful Venus Day t-shirt & etc. at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 20:31:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O1VZZ5032427 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:31:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O1VQph002820; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:31:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O1Pr4X041584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O1PoSG025361; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O1PjIp025237 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:25:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:25:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012320061959.4321.43D535B9000309DA000010E122058891169C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stumpwork Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:25:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 01:25:39.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[15C614C0:01C62085] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:31:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D5836E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >"Stumpwork Embroidery: Designs and Projects" both >by Jane Nicholas? > If you or anyone else on the list has: what did you think of them for a > beginner? > > Roscelin Hi all, I own the above book, and while I had done embroidery before, had never known of stumpwork before buying this book...it was one of those get ten books for a dollar deals through a book club. I fell in love with stumpwork, it was very easy to learn from the book, without even tackling an entire project. I tried some of the motifs I liked, practiced some of the stitches, and then using one of the projects as a guide, made my own first design. Yeah for Stumpwork! This month I plan on travelling to our nearest floss store to purchase silk floss for some projects up my sleeve...never knew what a difference silk floss would make, yum! Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 20:36:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O1aNa6000696 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:36:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O1aEAR005886; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:36:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O1Zvri043372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O1Zosn033180; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O1Zawr032955 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:35:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060124013530.EUGS27947.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:35:30 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060124013530.XLNH22512.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:35:30 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.22/238]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:35:30 +1300 Message-ID: <005f01c62086$76321ce0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43D54AD6.2080004@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "New" trend in Men's shoes? Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:35:29 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:36:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D5848F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'll know things have really gotten historical when we see those > broad-toed slased Henry 8 type shoes. I wouldn't put money on it, though. Close... I have a few pairs of wide toed flat shoes with straps across the top. They make a great base to remake into shoes of this type. I'm going to be wearing a pair to an SCA event soon (I have hurt my feet very badly or it would be a better alternative.) Mind you, just last season here we had gollars for women in shops...... The same shape and fit of early 16thC gollars (shoulder capes.) I found it hilarious that the shoe and the gollar fashion managed to overlap michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 23/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 21:09:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O292dQ002199 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:09:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O28saG024096; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:08:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O28DV8049136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O287PB058322; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0O283wX058232 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 73953 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 02:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 02:07:58 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060123195428.01ed3180@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:03:57 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help Needed... In-Reply-To: <20060122154712.19322.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060122154712.19322.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:08:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D58C36.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The highway billboard showed Leslie Mundy smiling proudly and saying: >My taiji class is studying the chang dao (long sword) >form, a form used by General Qi Jiguang during the >late Ming period (1560-1580). Snip >Can anyone out here help, please? Try Late Imperial Chinese Armies 1520-1840 (Men-at-Arms) published by Osprey Publishing. I have the earlier book, 590-1260 and like it rather well. These books are thin paperbacks that cover a specific subject/time/battle. The Men at Arms series is all about certain armies. Ex: Medieval Eruopean Armies or El Cid and the Reconquista 1050-1492. They are a mix of pictures of extant armor/weapons, paintings/interpretations of what that armor might look like in color, and actual battles. Great for a beginning point, and probably enough for your purposes. They cover all ranks of soldier so this book should tell you what this armor really does look like. I also have 5000 Years of Chinese Costume, but it doesn't show a common soldier's armor and the description leaves a lot to be desired. My best interpretation is that the common soldier's armor was some kind of Lamalar or "interlocked iron armour." Hope this helps, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 23:16:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O4G9fG007448 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:16:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O4FxaI016168; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:16:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O4FTIa064290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O4FKQN036359; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O4F9A2036254 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274625D42D for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:15:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060123195034.037d6380@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:51:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] valois embroidery In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:16:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D5A9FF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 04:37 AM 1/23/2006, you wrote: > We had the actual fabrics from Peruvian mummies and Japanese > dynasties)Now I'm learning about Renaissance textiles. This sounds interesting. Mind me asking which school you are getting such treasures to look at? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 23 23:50:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O4oIe0008513 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:50:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O4o2nQ030483; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:50:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O4nQ0c068908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:49:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O4nINS056064; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f33.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O4nCtp056026 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:49:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:49:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.65] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601240208.k0O289dJ058361@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:49:11 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 04:49:12.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[851AFE00:01C620A1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D5B1FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A 16th century tradesman or woman should be in something that looks like one of these: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOES/redbay5.html A lower ranked person would have it as a turned shoe, a higher ranked person would have it as a double soled turned shoe, or even an unturned "welted" shoe. The single piece style of shoe, a variety of which is sometimes called these days as a ghillie, if they were worn in the 16th century (and I can argue both ways on that), would have marked the wearer as an utter hick, a rural peasant laborer of the poorest level, as would have wooden soled shoes. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 01:36:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O6anHY010342 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:36:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O6aeQw011810; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:36:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0O6a2ND081623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O6ZsYg020602; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O6ZohK020582 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F1HmE1uLL-0000Ws; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:35:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00aa01c620b0$6e687430$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com><004601c61f1e$5ec05220$6400a8c0@Penny> <001601c61f58$7b28eaa0$975083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:35:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:36:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D5CAF8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathleen, I am sorry for the confusion. I have not heard if Mr. Burbidge is still with us or not. The exhibit that I worked with him was in 1997 or 98. The exhibit was just before or after we did the first Princess Diana gown exhibit. I have heard the videotape about the dolls is really good. It is amazing to me how detailed he was when making the dolls. Going on memory... I think he said that he made two or three dolls a year. The research he did for each doll was so intense. The dolls are clothed even with the undergarments and each had their own traveling case. My favorite were his bridal dolls. His wife is also a master cake decorator. At the time Mrs. Burbidge had been making cakes for the royals of the world. I met her at a birthday party for a friend. She made my friend's cake. It looked so perfectly decorated that I hated to see it cut. Mrs. Burbidge and I discussing my dabbling in cake decorating. She told me, "Don't be upset, the decorations are easy to make." She took me into the kitchen and taught me a few of her tricks. What an honor! The Burbidges are that kind of people... very laid back and love to teach others their crafts. At the time, she was also making a yo-yo quilt. Mrs. Burbidge carried a bag with her full of her circles for yoyos where ever they traveled. She showed me a completed section of the quilt. On the back of each yoyo, she stitched the date and location as to where she made it. She said it was her journal of their travels. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 06:34:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OBYVIr002892 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:34:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OBYEWG026258; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OBXWPq032881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OBXPmQ097939; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OBXLJ6097861 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.15d.5fcaa2e8 (17228) for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:33:15 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.5fcaa2e8.31076a7a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:33:14 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help Needed... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:34:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D610B6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! AS Genie says, that Osprey is a very good start point. (I wouldn't suggest using any Osprey for serious research for a second, as the quality of the information varies enormously, and you have to know the subject already to know whether you've got a decent one or not.) But I'd agree they are probably adequate for your purpose (and if not there's a bibliography anyway). Have just rifled through Nigel's Osprey shelves (he collects them for wargaming), and found the one in question, and it does have info on Ming soldiers (was only flicking so not sure how much. But armour seems to be plates of metal behind cloth, similar to a european brigandine (though a completely different shape of course). D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 07:33:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OCXZoX016565 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:33:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OCXQcn020258; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:33:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OCVV8p040902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OCVSiN031281; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav14.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OCVNxQ031195 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:31:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:31:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060123195034.037d6380@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] valois embroidery Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:31:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 12:31:18.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[1366A6B0:01C620E2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:33:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D61E96.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I went to the Umiversity of Georgia. They have an MFA for Fabrics Design. It was geared towards the design not the manufacture of textiles. We didn't get into the techniccal aspects of fabric production. That included classes in Japanese textiles, Ancient American textiles, Peruvian and world history of textiles. I took sild screen for fabrics, weaving and fabrcis portfolio for drawing our own fabrics for industry sales.. The art department has a vault room that is environmnetally controlled. We wore masks when we looked at the Peruvian textiles. They sometimes had mold and we didn't want to get sick. We didn't touch anything without cotton gloves. I studied Native American textiles such as feather cloaks, leather netting and costume designs. I went to Oklahoma for the Red Earth Festival and took 10 rolls of film. I had to do a 2 hour presentation with pictures, slides and demonstrations of the texhniques I found. It was hard work to get a lecture that long but I didn't scratch the top of the richness of the Native American textiles. I'd like to gob ack and specialize in them. The Japanese class had the history and indigo dying!!! We learned the stitching required for the dye resist. We learned how to maintain the vat of dye. I was always stitiching small samples. We had to have a collection of stitiches. The weaving class was good but recently found out that it lacked many things a weaving class should have had. We never covered the way to draw a pattern on paper for mistakes in the pattern book, or how to fix it. We also did not cover whether looms are draw-up or drawdown types. It makes a difference in the way the fabric looks on the loom. I recently found that out at a workshop at Mannings. Weaving Studio in East Berlin, PA. Best day I've had for learning in a while. I wrote to my past teacher and havent' heard back yet. I'd love to go back as an instructor. I'm working on getting my teaching certification so I can go back to teach. My ideal class would be one that included the math, science and art as one subject... a Renaissance theory class. Artists of that time had to cover all the bases, not just focus on one sugject like we do now. I love the textiles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] valois embroidery > At 04:37 AM 1/23/2006, you wrote: >> We had the actual fabrics from Peruvian mummies and Japanese >> dynasties)Now I'm learning about Renaissance textiles. > > > This sounds interesting. Mind me asking which school you are getting such > treasures to look at? > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 07:49:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OCnOnO016885 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:49:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OCnFOW027452; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:49:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OCmCiK044819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OCmAr6042966; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OCm6hP042792 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43D62212.5050501@msn.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:48:18 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions References: <001c01c62056$3f90ac40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <001c01c62056$3f90ac40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 12:48:00.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[68A9AB20:01C620E4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6224B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >At our local faire, it is strongly suggested that "closed" shoes be worn, so >stuff isn't constantly getting in and also so your shoes don't inadvertently >fall off. Plain closed shoes can be found at www.landsend.com Those are what >I wear and I spend most of the day on my feet. > > Do you mean these? *http://tinyurl.com/8qpd3 I was thinking those might work....thank you for your idea! Sg * _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 08:33:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ODXpFI018057 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:33:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ODXgn7018265; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ODXH8Y052069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ODXEOm072717; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ODXAlE072661 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.647708; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:32:52 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0ODWpU20251.; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:32:51 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:32:51 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:32:41 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stumpwork Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ODXAlE072661 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D62CB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'd wanted to try stumpwork for ages and had on e of the Jane Nicholas books for Christmas a couple of years ago. I found it useful, but admit I haven't done very much stumpwork after all; I like to sew or knit while watching TV, and find that stumpwork requires too much concentration to be suitable for that. I ought to invest in some period sewing kit and do it in a living history context. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> roscelinlimoges@comcast.net 23/01/2006 19:59 >>> Bjarne, Have you looked or used these books for stumpwork Beginner's Guide to Stumpwork" by Kay Dennis or "Stumpwork Embroidery: A Collection of Fruits, Flowers and Insects" and "Stumpwork Embroidery: Designs and Projects" both by Jane Nicholas? If you or anyone else on the list has: what did you think of them for a beginner? Roscelin ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 08:37:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ODb5Mq018124 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:37:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ODavfw019969; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:37:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ODYII8052167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ODYIv5073384; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ODYFDp073356 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1226877wra for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:34:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E9m78S4qdZTEWxSEYqiulB8yZ00BBUzNd7yqik8obE7c3R9hMLnmcVD3shsi0Ugd2XCnChPoT0bIrexu8/ZaxFQHXMaMCyNpZO3xAvOaxjtaHYjiA+1im7NhUVH1lQux10gAA4WXpNjCm8U3/MISCldpoKDBSteGCVlaZ93yvrM= Received: by 10.54.144.2 with SMTP id r2mr35474wrd; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.3 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:34:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070601240534m662ba1aaw71d20aa4e6947c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:34:13 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode In-Reply-To: <00aa01c620b0$6e687430$6400a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c61f1e$5ec05220$6400a8c0@Penny> <001601c61f58$7b28eaa0$975083d1@rmitchellras> <00aa01c620b0$6e687430$6400a8c0@Penny> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ODYFDp073356 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:37:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D62D7A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The tea of mine that the Burbidges came to was in 2004, so they were alive and well then. I will ask a friend in Danvers, whrere they live, if she has any news. I do know that they are on our dance mailing list and mail hasn't been getting returned. Katy On 1/24/06, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Kathleen, > > I am sorry for the confusion. I have not heard if Mr. Burbidge is still > with us or not. The exhibit that I worked with him was in 1997 or 98. The > exhibit was just before or after we did the first Princess Diana gown > exhibit. > > I have heard the videotape about the dolls is really good. It is amazing to > me how detailed he was when making the dolls. Going on memory... I think he > said that he made two or three dolls a year. The research he did for each > doll was so intense. The dolls are clothed even with the undergarments and > each had their own traveling case. My favorite were his bridal dolls. > > His wife is also a master cake decorator. At the time Mrs. Burbidge had > been making cakes for the royals of the world. I met her at a birthday > party for a friend. She made my friend's cake. It looked so perfectly > decorated that I hated to see it cut. Mrs. Burbidge and I discussing my > dabbling in cake decorating. She told me, "Don't be upset, the decorations > are easy to make." She took me into the kitchen and taught me a few of her > tricks. What an honor! > > The Burbidges are that kind of people... very laid back and love to teach > others their crafts. At the time, she was also making a yo-yo quilt. Mrs. > Burbidge carried a bag with her full of her circles for yoyos where ever > they traveled. She showed me a completed section of the quilt. On the back > of each yoyo, she stitched the date and location as to where she made it. > She said it was her journal of their travels. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 09:39:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEdkZX020274 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:39:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEdcUO000732; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:39:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OEcHcG062117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OEcCGa024022; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0O8Mk2v082472 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:22:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from picmajik@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm66aec.bellsouth.net ([68.217.57.242]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060124021003.ILFJ24493.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm66aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:10:03 -0500 Received: from debra ([68.217.57.242]) by ibm66aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060124021003.KJOY19353.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@debra> for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:10:03 -0500 From: "Debra" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:10:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] happy to report Mr Burbridge is still with us X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:39:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D63C2A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! After reading these posts about his beautiful dolls. I sent an email using the link online asking if there was to be an exhibit in the Southeast US any time soon. I received an email the next day stating that no exhibits were currently planned but hope springs eternal. Debra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 09:44:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEit0W020384 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:44:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEikIQ004683; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:44:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OEiCkm063274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OEiAvl029671; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ODeWbo077493 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE460184; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:40:22 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Jan 2006 08:40:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c620eb$eef6e880$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060121161433.6078.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com><004601c61f1e$5ec05220$6400a8c0@Penny><001601c61f58$7b28eaa0$975083d1@rmitchellras> <00aa01c620b0$6e687430$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:41:46 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D63D5E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! What a wonderful way to record a trip! And with a yoyo (Smile) I will indeed try to find the source re MR.> Burbridge that left me with the impression of his demise. I have a vague memory of a 'tribute' being given... I am having waaay too much fun with all my doll kits and the dressing of the ladies and gents as they crawl off the craft table. I will be using my Godey's and Peterson's for the Little Women. Can't wait!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode > Kathleen, > > I am sorry for the confusion. I have not heard if Mr. Burbidge is still > with us or not. The exhibit that I worked with him was in 1997 or 98. The > exhibit was just before or after we did the first Princess Diana gown > exhibit. > > I have heard the videotape about the dolls is really good. It is amazing to > me how detailed he was when making the dolls. Going on memory... I think he > said that he made two or three dolls a year. The research he did for each > doll was so intense. The dolls are clothed even with the undergarments and > each had their own traveling case. My favorite were his bridal dolls. > > His wife is also a master cake decorator. At the time Mrs. Burbidge had > been making cakes for the royals of the world. I met her at a birthday > party for a friend. She made my friend's cake. It looked so perfectly > decorated that I hated to see it cut. Mrs. Burbidge and I discussing my > dabbling in cake decorating. She told me, "Don't be upset, the decorations > are easy to make." She took me into the kitchen and taught me a few of her > tricks. What an honor! > > The Burbidges are that kind of people... very laid back and love to teach > others their crafts. At the time, she was also making a yo-yo quilt. Mrs. > Burbidge carried a bag with her full of her circles for yoyos where ever > they traveled. She showed me a completed section of the quilt. On the back > of each yoyo, she stitched the date and location as to where she made it. > She said it was her journal of their travels. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 09:46:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEkPxO020419 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:46:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEkHkM003230; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OEifqG063465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OEieU1030189; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OEQTD6012283 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:26:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A74400BD for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:26:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43d53c90.b633 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:26:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D1jkOWR/cfwIAAAAB,7408bcbe8809e4b139eb99a572c84f42 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:46:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D63DB9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! <--- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: < Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEnF7f020470 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:49:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OEn7MR007974; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:49:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OEh8qH062908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OEh6FB028594; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OCjRns041048 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:45:22 -0800 Message-ID: <43D62173.7010509@msn.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:45:39 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions References: <20060123204324.198.qmail@web53211.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060123204324.198.qmail@web53211.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 12:45:22.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A21AFD0:01C620E4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:49:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D63E63.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yikes, they are $85 now! Thanks for the idea though! Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: >I'm a nurse who is on her feet 8 to 16 hours a day and all I wear are gillies made by Native Earth with Birkenstock soles. The price is comparable to full-price Birkenstocks. Not $40, but an alternative.... and VERY comfortable on the feet. Kathy > > \ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 10:21:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFLdPE021386 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:21:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFLTnF001478; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OFL2ER070411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OFKvEk063461; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:20:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OFKoud063316 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2476c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.108]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 19828A5003A for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:20:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c620f9$c1e28030$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43D52A7E.6090701@ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian peasant headdresses Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:20:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:21:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D645F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi David, You should look for art books with danish goldage painters who went to Rome in 1830-60. Especially the danish painter called Christen Købke and also Vilhelm Marstrand. They all made scenes with local romans dressed in daily wear, and peassants two. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Serxner" To: Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Italian peasant headdresses > Good Afternoon All: > I am doing a production of Pagliacci and need to find information on 19th > century Italian peasant headdresses. I have the engravings from Racinet, > but no idea of how to recreate the things I see. I am open for > suggestions! > Thanks! > David > > -- > David Serxner > NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. > Serials and Electronic Resources > Campus Box 7111 > Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 > 919-513-3355 office > 919-515-7292 fax > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 10:32:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFWbFb021657 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:32:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFWTmD010109; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:32:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OFQmtb071487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OFQjar069049; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:26:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OFQeO9068986 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2476c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.108]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CA388A5002C for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:26:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c620fa$9c66bf50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012320061959.4321.43D535B9000309DA000010E122058891169C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stumpwork Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:26:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:32:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6488D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Roscelin, Depends what you mean with beginner. A person who has absolutely never made embroidery before would have problems, as there are lot of basics to learn before you can start stumpwork. A good starter is an australian book called : Australian Wildflowers in Stumpwork, by Anette Hinde. That book learned me a lot. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Stumpwork > Bjarne, > > Have you looked or used these books for stumpwork Beginner's Guide to > Stumpwork" by Kay Dennis or "Stumpwork Embroidery: A Collection of > Fruits, Flowers and Insects" and "Stumpwork Embroidery: Designs and > Projects" both by Jane Nicholas? > If you or anyone else on the list has: what did you think of them for a > beginner? > > Roscelin > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >> Hi Becky, >> You should get Helan Pierce's Dimentional Embroidery. Its a lovely book . >> All her projekts in this book are made in wool, but you can easy adapt >> them >> to the yarn you prefer. I translated and used Eterna stranded Silk Floss. >> Each petal is first outlined with a thin wire, then the edge is heavily >> buttonhole stitched. Finally you stitch with short and long stitch of the >> whole petal. When all things is done, they can be cut out and sewed onto >> the >> foundation embroidery and this way it gets 3 dimentional. I have 2 flower >> buds, 4 green leaves and 2 full blomed flowers in dimentional embroidery >> on >> this bag. >> It really looks much more difficult than it is, i was quite surprised how >> easy it was done and also how lovely it looks when embroidery gets >> dimentional. >> >> Bjarne >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Becky" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag >> >> >> >I loved the bags. how did you get the tiny petals to stand off the >> >surface? >> >I can embroidry pretty well but have not done any such 3-D work/ I'm >> >interested in how you did it. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >> > To: >> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:08 AM >> > Subject: [h-cost] ladys gusset bag >> > >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> I finished the embroidery with the dimentional flowers for a ladys >> >> bag. I >> >> baught some silk chiffon wich i want to use for the gusset of the bag. >> >> Then >> >> i want to make a big tassel wich is going to hang at the bottom of the >> >> bag >> >> of the pink floss you see on the top of the chiffon. Finally i shall >> >> also >> >> make the handle somehow of the same pink thread. >> >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >> >> >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 10:39:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFdwsh021825 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:39:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFdoft019891; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OFbGBb073743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OF7unf050975; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OF7osn050746 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.208.11607625 (15898) for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a43d642a563; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:07:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: <6af4052b69137c2da21899737d25aa14@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:07:16 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:39:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D64A46.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I made them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my niece. I still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a stash of yo-yos and "yo-yos to be". I knit charity items while watching TV, and sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have collected photos of completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my final goal. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > <--- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: > < > carried < > > There must be something about yo-yo quilts - my maternal grandmother > got hooked on making them, although she never dated them. Below is an > excerpt from the story that my mother wrote about her for the National > Quilt Register: > > "In the 80s she watched me making a 'yo-yo' patch cover for a doll's > cot and that started her on another quite enormous project. She began > to make yo-yo bed covers for all the girls in the family and herself. > We can be sure of 14 that she made in about 8 years. She actually wore > out needles sewing all those circles! She liked the idea of using up > all those small, odd shaped scraps." > > The Burbidges sound like lovely people, you were so lucky to know them. > > Joannah > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 10:39:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFdwi5021826 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:39:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OFdoNe016361; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OFbWJi073802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OFbQhI079389; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OFbMgM079265 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2d9.14a4f3c (15702) for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M39 (fwm-m39.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.241]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID53-3d5643d649a615a; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:37:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:37:10 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7EF132CD496A6-10A8-3D96@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200601240208.k0O289dJ058361@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.241) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:37:10 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200601240208.k0O289dJ058361@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.241 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:39:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D64A46.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 11:19:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGJXMb028609 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:19:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGJOsW014430; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:19:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OGCdUd079909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGCYcI011587; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:12:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGCUBE011513 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25595 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:12:30 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:12:20 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Thread-Index: AcYgsLPNxK3WZoMjQYG7lAsd548g0AARxLAg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0OGCUBE011513 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:19:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6538C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have Mr. Burbidge's book "Petite Dames des Modes" which was published last year. Fascinating book and photos to die for. Yum! Try Amazon.com to see if it is still available. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 11:19:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGJiLU028618 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:19:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGJa9C000569; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:19:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OGIE2V080989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGI7dJ016573; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0OGHrU5016351 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:18:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 9252 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 16:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 16:17:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:14:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts In-Reply-To: <6af4052b69137c2da21899737d25aa14@aol.com> References: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <6af4052b69137c2da21899737d25aa14@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:19:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D65398.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 15:07 24/01/2006, you wrote: >My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I >made them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my >niece. I still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a >stash of yo-yos and "yo-yos to be". I knit charity items while >watching TV, and sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have >collected photos of completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my >final goal. O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used here. But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, anyway! Suzi (wishing for an extra day this week!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 11:37:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGbMRq029058 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:37:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGbDZx026970; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OGVJLM083168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGVDgO029851; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGV7ZG029748 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 43892126 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:01:07 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:31:44 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c62103$aa1a8100$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 7, First 55, in=37, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:37:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D657B9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suffolk puff = yo-yo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts At 15:07 24/01/2006, you wrote: >My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I >made them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my >niece. I still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a >stash of yo-yos and "yo-yos to be". I knit charity items while >watching TV, and sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have >collected photos of completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my >final goal. O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used here. But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, anyway! Suzi (wishing for an extra day this week!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 11:44:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGi70c029208 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:44:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGhuQ9031627; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:43:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OGh3bn085029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGgf2v040013; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0OGgSb3039687 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 9931 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 16:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 16:42:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124164115.01db8460@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:42:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts In-Reply-To: <000001c62103$aa1a8100$6401a8c0@kimathlon> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> <000001c62103$aa1a8100$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:43:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6594C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:31 24/01/2006, you wrote: >Suffolk puff = yo-yo Is that the circle drawn up in the centre? > > >My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. > >final goal. > > > > >O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used >here. But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, anyway! > >Suzi (wishing for an extra day this week!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 11:50:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGoK65029381 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:50:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OGoC1w003698; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:50:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OGmDP4086027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGm5sm045444; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:48:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGlwPD045168 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:48:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E739DA1697 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:47:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43D65A42.5070101@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:48:02 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts References: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <6af4052b69137c2da21899737d25aa14@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:50:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D65AC4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suzi Clarke wrote: > > O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used here. > But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, anyway! > www.reddawn.net/quilt/yoyo.htm I do them while travelling, too, because it is an easy project to carry and if you cut out the circles at home you don't need to take scissors (just snips) so you can get on a plane with it. I don't embroider mine, though. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 12:31:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OHVXVL030321 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:31:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OHVPMK032002; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:31:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OHUr7Z093697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OHUoBI086189; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OHUkV7086049 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 44249459 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:16:12 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:16:20 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c62109$e51ad100$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124164115.01db8460@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 57, in=41, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:31:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6646D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes, that's it. You can see the instructions here: http://www.quilterscache.com/V_Z/Yo-YoQuiltingBlock.html Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts At 16:31 24/01/2006, you wrote: >Suffolk puff = yo-yo Is that the circle drawn up in the centre? > > >My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. > >final goal. > > > > >O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used here. >But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, anyway! > >Suzi (wishing for an extra day this week!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 12:44:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OHhwZ8030544 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:43:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OHhnEp008416; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:43:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OHfePR095353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OHfUBN096342; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0OHfNSJ096242 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 50346 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 17:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 17:41:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124173954.01dbbeb8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:41:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts In-Reply-To: <000301c62109$e51ad100$6401a8c0@kimathlon> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124164115.01db8460@127.0.0.1> <000301c62109$e51ad100$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:43:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D66756.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 17:16 24/01/2006, you wrote: >Yes, that's it. >You can see the instructions here: >http://www.quilterscache.com/V_Z/Yo-YoQuiltingBlock.html > >Kim > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:42 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts > > >At 16:31 24/01/2006, you wrote: > >Suffolk puff = yo-yo > > >Is that the circle drawn up in the centre? Thanks. I have a Japanese quilt which I have been making for mumble mumble years, and I must finish it before I start anything new!! But they are pretty. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 14:09:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJ9Wt8032390 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:09:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJ9O6j000490; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OItnrk010034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OHLZld076668; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OH4sxx060493 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2c6.278756a (15875) for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M39 (fwm-m39.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.241]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343d65cfb96; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:59:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:59:39 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7EF1EB2B387FC-10A8-459C@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200601240208.k0O289dJ058361@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.241) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:59:39 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200601240208.k0O289dJ058361@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.241 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 68 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D67B64.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! David, Can you point us to some pictures of what you're trying to reproduce? You might find something useful here: http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/HATS.HTM Tea Rose Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:11:58 -0500 From: David Serxner Subject: [h-cost] Italian peasant headdresses To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: <43D52A7E.6090701@ncsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good Afternoon All: I am doing a production of Pagliacci and need to find information on 19th century Italian peasant headdresses. I have the engravings from Racinet, but no idea of how to recreate the things I see. I am open for suggestions! Thanks! David -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 14:09:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJ9Wpi032391 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:09:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJ9Oxx013976; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OItnro010034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGaJPd033766; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OGa88E033604 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0OGa6tK027663 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:36:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009301c62104$45c2d4e0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <6af4052b69137c2da21899737d25aa14@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:36:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D67B64.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Take a small circle of fabric and do a running stitch around the edge; pull the thread tight til the circle made by the thread is about the circumferance of your little finger. Make sure that the raw edges are tucked in. Flatten. You have just made your first yo-yo. Make a jillon more and join them together (stitched at the 4 compass point where the yo-yo's touch). My Gran made one when I was a kid (sometime in the very early 60's). I rapidly grew to hate them! :-) kate PS: It was very pretty when it was placed over a white bedspread, but not so pretty that I feel moved to make one of my own! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts > At 15:07 24/01/2006, you wrote: >>My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I made >>them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my niece. I >>still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a stash of yo-yos >>and "yo-yos to be". I knit charity items while watching TV, and >>sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have collected photos of >>completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my final goal. > > > > > O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used here. > But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, anyway! > > Suzi (wishing for an extra day this week!!) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 14:15:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJF3c4032507 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:15:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJEtBS003967; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:14:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OJ9EDf012312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:09:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OJ99xE082673; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OJ93Xt082506 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB4602AC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:08:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Jan 2006 14:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c62119$cebb05a0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:10:09 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:14:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D67CAF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes it is!! I passed this on to the list a few days ago. Got mine for$24.49 used. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Les Petites Dames de Mode > I have Mr. Burbidge's book "Petite Dames des Modes" which was published > last year. Fascinating book and photos to die for. Yum! > > Try Amazon.com to see if it is still available. > > Cindy Abel > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 14:18:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJIjoP032575 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:18:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJIbud006240; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OJHwLG014217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OJHn1p090201; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OJHgv2089986 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:17:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.146.548d079d (16110) for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee43d67c113e0; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:12:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> References: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <6af4052b69137c2da21899737d25aa14@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060124161258.01d5e2d0@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: <502974e5ba0a440b4c2a3f07cfa87729@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:12:14 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D67D8D.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yo yos are made by: 1. cutting circles of fabric 2. running a line of stitching around near the outside edge 3. pulling carefully to make a smaller circle 4. flattening the "shape" into a circle with the small 'hole" at the center of the circle 5. these yo-yos are then attached to each other to make a cloth of sorts, which can be used for a beadspread, pillow top or even for clothing.There are many spaces between the attached circles as you can imagine. Not an item to Keep You Warm! If I can find the photos of a yo yo item, I'll post them. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. On Jan 24, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 15:07 24/01/2006, you wrote: >> My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I >> made them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my >> niece. I still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a >> stash of yo-yos and "yo-yos to be". I knit charity items while >> watching TV, and sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have >> collected photos of completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my >> final goal. > > > > > O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used > here. But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, > anyway! > > Suzi (wishing for an extra day this week!!) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 15:19:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OKJQdS001389 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:19:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OKJIc5011383; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:19:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OKIZdd026887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OKHi2G050636; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:18:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OKHaNp050376 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720FAA1699 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:17:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43D68B74.9030101@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:17:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Soutache Braid References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060123135258.02873910@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060123135258.02873910@mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:19:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D68BC6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I am trying to help a friend find documentation for Soutache Braid in > the 16th century. Does anyone know of an existing example or of good > examples in period portraits? > There's close-ups of braid in the early Patterns of Fashion book, but I don't think it's soutache. It really does look like braid made with thick thread, about like crochet yarn. To me anyway. The photos aren't exceptionally clear. However, I have used soutache to good effect on a couple of doublets. You need miles of it and it is very cheap when bought in bulk. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 20:22:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P1Lw1A007118 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:21:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P1Ln60015478; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P1LLKS080847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P1LLcG038566; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P1LFeX038463 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:21:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A17C465052C; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:16:44 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:21:25 -0800 Message-ID: <003701c6214d$a8c8ad00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:21:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6D2AD.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Those are nice, but suede. I prefer smooth leather. If you go to the website and click on "Overstocks", you find "Men's Rugged Slip-on Shoes", for $19.50. I don't know if they'll have the sizes you need, as they are close-outs. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Men's "trades person" shoe suggestions Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >At our local faire, it is strongly suggested that "closed" shoes be >worn, so stuff isn't constantly getting in and also so your shoes don't >inadvertently fall off. Plain closed shoes can be found at >www.landsend.com Those are what I wear and I spend most of the day on >my feet. > > Do you mean these? *http://tinyurl.com/8qpd3 I was thinking those might work....thank you for your idea! Sg * _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 20:23:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P1N4ZT007141 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:23:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P1MurZ031466; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:22:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P1MYGo081220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P1MYWO039714; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0OJkaCJ018917 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A41601BC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:46:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Jan 2006 14:46:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c6211f$1b983320$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:48:10 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] crimper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:22:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6D2F0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0P1N4ZT007141 Thought someone out there might have the need for a crimping iron. A very nice one is available on ebay...with 5 hours to go. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 20:24:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P1OZHA007173 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:24:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P1ORnR016666; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:24:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P1L9oh080786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P1L00T038243; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50207.mail.yahoo.com (web50207.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0OJ0Yr7074373 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 62494 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2006 19:00:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RFglMN3taBLuh66aLznqPCFF2WDOTUudsIFGEhT3oBaHOjJIS48BJrdisuzI+XNxyF5cSe+Yhjlqo81Hq5E3zFdmtvNM4hquh62+iG5CRRP7yxZk8/gUN4CsBZojyStCSMv9v+WfkyxTwhK2E2Qj9/J/1QJ0MltGny2lQyGbLiY= ; Message-ID: <20060124190026.62492.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.109.225.5] by web50207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:00:26 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Mundy To: Historic-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:24:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6D34B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi. My thanks to Genie Barrett and D (Debloughcostumes) for answering my post. I apologize for not stating up front that I have already seen the Osprey manuals. This is the (scant) bibliography that I have at my disposal: Zhongguo du dai jun rong fu shi (Ancient Chinese Armor) Liu, Yonghua Brown Rockefeller UC485.C6 L58x 2004 Military uniforms -- Pictorial works Armor, Ancient -- China -- Pictorial works Zhongguo fu zhuang shi Huang, Nengfu Brown Rockefeller GT 1555 H79 Costume -- China -- History Zhongguo li dai fu shi da guan Brown Rockefeller GT 1555 C584 Costume -- China -- History The Osprey books-- while helpful to some degree-- are not in accord with the illustrations in General Qi Jiguang's Manual. General Qi was fighting Japanese Pirates off the coast in 1560-1580 and his soldiers weren't wearing armor, or if they were, it was more on the order of padded clothing. There are numerous illustrations from the manual, and I will try to scan and post them on my web space, but, for now, this is the only picture I can show you http://taijiclassproject.blogspot.com/2005/12/costumes.html You can't quite see it in this picture, but it looks like the undergarment is for the protection of the thighs, and that it is is made of padded material and has fringe. If anyone has any other detailed illustrations or information pertaining to military clothing, I would very much appreciate hearing about it. I was also very much appreciate any educated guesses anyone familiarywith costume would care to make as to whether that "fringe" is decorative or-- something else. Thank you. --Leslie Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... 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I bought them because I needed something I could slip on and off while wearing a corset, and I can't afford real period shoes, but I find myself wearing my Borns around the house all the time. > >Tea Rose >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 22:32:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P3W4mK009369 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:32:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P3VoFj009107; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P3VNbe000980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:31:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P3VLj6030532; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0P3VICL030400 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 80402 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 03:31:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zo8Sj8OATrpQkKISHXSKk1tlilZRgFKyXhD3bKfk+tqD57jEkWPthADfiNrayGAwIjUX2k9k8TeqLj+VF45+62YV4mKKKkfCXciSw+OTfXU6eC5MrxqUgmi6S10azNrVRDiS8ZtjOdRFGkWXIsfFA+2zTPtyLaNFDN7Cr/VjCUk= ; Message-ID: <20060125033113.80400.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:31:12 EST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:31:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Gestational Stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:31:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6F126.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm doing a little nosing around on this subject. Another discussion offlist brought up the issue of support in the Elizabethan era during pregnancy. Is there any evidence of what women did while pregnant but not yet confined, for support? I'm sure the middle class couldn't afford a lengthy confinement, if at all. They had to do something while waiting for the end to come. I know there is a pattern from ohh.. I think late 18th early 19th c. out there, I'm wondering where they got the idea from. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 24 22:55:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P3tqKP009724 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:55:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P3th3C020044; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:55:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P3tNIT005575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P3tK8q049183; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0P3tGNW049095 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:55:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7P7V7ASKZXZA for (sender ); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFJH7F42; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:53:44 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:18:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gestational Stays Message-ID: <20060124.211803.-150776063.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-10,12-47 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 17:8:3877232107 X-MAIL-INFO: 420461e971694971612db1690c3094c4808051a000749dc90129a919e46154953995c179b5c179917079916061744921242d81494504a52da945d5f50d45edb4005484548d099189795470 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7yh/11R5USYkw5IvQKND2P/4/YulW7HAKw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:55:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D6F6BF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a very pregnant state wearing a kirtle and surcoat. No idea what she's wearing as a support garment, but from the swell of her belly (she looks about 8 months along) I would say it's not a standard Elizabethan pair of stays.....if she's wearing anything under the kirtle besides a shift.... Karen Seamstrix On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:31:12 -0500 (EST) Kathy Page writes: > I'm doing a little nosing around on this subject. > Another discussion offlist brought up the issue of > support in the Elizabethan era during pregnancy. Is > there any evidence of what women did while pregnant > but not yet confined, for support? I'm sure the middle > class couldn't afford a lengthy confinement, if at > all. They had to do something while waiting for the > end to come. I know there is a pattern from ohh.. I > think late 18th early 19th c. out there, I'm wondering > where they got the idea from. > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with > a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > > It’s never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every > truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is > a heart somewhere to receive it. > -Ivan Panin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 00:11:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P5BnQ2010985 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P5Be5r021807; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:11:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P5At3o016527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P5Amws000679; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0P5Aj9G000569 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 48536 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 05:10:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A1xnPLVsiQlJxEL0wQ2aeSlPGvhqFiESbWs0tAzKgBXnTpU+TE2D7kwKkkjNu40eg6rTTPYB9W1fd4lz5ai7+iHjin3nbyaqiHmk2qp4SHmzGGAmNhRKB3zbn9+5nP4S2DQnhkJrz8fSjm6ZAnO2PaUTv0NoRZHdmoJ+5+ZL3bM= ; Message-ID: <20060125051039.48534.qmail@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.24.93] by web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:10:39 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:10:39 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:11:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D7088C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I know this is off topic, so please feel free to answer me off line. I get the impression that several of the members of this list reside in the United Kingdom and I am in need of some input. My oldest son is looking for a school in the United Kingdom to attend for his year abroad. He is currently a Medieval Lit major, Theatre Arts minor at Beloit College in Wisconsin. He is looking at University of Wales at Swansea, as well as a school in York and one in Bristol. Would you have any other suggestions? We originally thought he would be going to Edinburgh, Scotland, but their Lit program doesn't have what he needs. Any info is greatly appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 02:21:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P7LOwn017484 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:21:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P7LGkV010365; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P7Kcgs031375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P7KUWf080398; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P7KQf8080356 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F1ex73t6W-0000d1; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:20:27 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c6217f$dba08090$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy to report Mr Burbridge is still with us Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:20:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:21:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D726EC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Debra, Thanks for checking. I hope to meet up with them again one day. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 02:32:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P7WRKZ020119 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:32:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0P7WJNF014909; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:32:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P7UUDh031983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P7UTD4085079; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:30:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P7UPnh085035 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:30:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F1f6l2d4I-0000Xf; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:30:25 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c62181$4008e3a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060124062622.F8F43938@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:30:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:32:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D72983.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Joannah, What a wonderful thing your grandmother making so many quilts. I wish I could make them that fast. It seems to take me five years to complete one. I go to Williamsburg, VA the last weekend of every February for the quilt show. Now the show is three-four hotels. I get inspiration from the show to quilt again. This show not only has traditional quilts but very artistic ones. Here are some photos I took from the 2003 show, http://www.costumegallery.com/Quilt/Show2003/ . Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 05:29:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PATRFf026301 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:29:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PASkgQ018025; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:29:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PARqSH056976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:27:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PARj0N085581; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PARYWT085470 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F1hsD1F0u-0007tA; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:27:34 -0500 Message-ID: <00c401c62199$ffeccde0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:27:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:29:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D752DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0PATRFf026301 I recently acquired a real treasure, a bound book of Vogue magazines from 1919. I am having a blast trying to choose which articles to use first. Its like being in a candy shop. In the magazine issues, there are advertisements for rubber garments like chin straps, corsets, etc., that are to be worn to lose weight. I gathered the chin strap was worn at night. Has anyone heard of rubber garments used in this manner? Would women have worn these items under their everyday clothing? I imagine if they did it would be rather hot during the warm months... are is that how you were supposed to lose weight. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 06:27:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PBR70a005558 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:27:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PBQv1T009357; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:27:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PBPWAZ074030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:25:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PBPQrX015558; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s37.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s37.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PBOlkE015189 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.88]) by omc1-s37.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:24:41 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:24:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:24:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060125033113.80400.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gestational Stays Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:24:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 11:24:41.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF2DDF50:01C621A1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:27:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D76081.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kathy, First off, let me warn you not to wear stays during your pregnancy, please...I was told by my doctor, back in the way back machine (12 years ago) that they could very easily cause miscarrage. Since breast binding wasn't an unheard of thing, it is possible that they bound, just enough for support and wore looser clothing. I'm thinking to, that quite possibly they loosened their stays as they got bigger, until the point they couldn't wear them. There is also the possibility of a less heavily boned set of stays, much like the forerunner of the jumps, I haven't come across such a thing, but it is a possibility. As it was a very different time, I am sure they must have done things we would never dream of doing when pregnant, as in tight lacing...our bodies are differently shaped as well, from not being tight laced from childhood, so they may have gotten away with things differently then we can today. Kelly just my ramblings.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: "Historical Costume List" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Gestational Stays > I'm doing a little nosing around on this subject. > Another discussion offlist brought up the issue of > support in the Elizabethan era during pregnancy. Is > there any evidence of what women did while pregnant > but not yet confined, for support? I'm sure the middle > class couldn't afford a lengthy confinement, if at > all. They had to do something while waiting for the > end to come. I know there is a pattern from ohh.. I > think late 18th early 19th c. out there, I'm wondering > where they got the idea from. > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it. > -Ivan Panin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 08:11:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PDBePH020515 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:11:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PDB63v025275; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:11:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PDA7g7089286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PD9vWi079848; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PD9Oh3079346 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:09:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 862919038 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:09:19 -0600 Message-ID: <004e01c621b0$92478840$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00c401c62199$ffeccde0$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:09:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:11:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D778EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In the magazine issues, there are advertisements for rubber garments like chin straps, corsets, etc., that are to be worn to lose weight. I gathered the chin strap was worn at night. Has anyone heard of rubber garments used in this manner? Would women have worn these items under their everyday clothing? I imagine if they did it would be rather hot during the warm months... are is that how you were supposed to lose weight. ---- Yes. The rubber piece was supposed to induce "spot reducing". when I was younger (college in the mid-80's) I had an entire plastic suit designed to be worn over exercise clothes. Jockeys and wrestlers still do this to lose weight. You can also buy neoprene "sweats" for various anatomy parts to spot reduce horses (mostly the throat). The weight loss is temporary, of course, as it's all water. There is also a version of chin support for women that is supposed to counter the effects of gravity. It covered the whole lower throat and lower jaw line, strapped over the head and was worn at night to prevent baggy jowls, double chins, etc. That one might actually work if a person started wearing it before the effects of gravity became visible. Sort of like moisturizer and sun screen preventing wrinkles---if you start doing it *before* you have wrinkles! :-) Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 08:34:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PDYJhP021093 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:34:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PDXhos004444; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:34:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PDWw5J093743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PDWurx003127; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:32:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0P9e0lq060688 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:40:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.697237; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:39:37 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0P9dWQ10544.; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:39:37 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:39:32 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:39:21 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0P9e0lq060688 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D77E37.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Rebecca, The terminology you use is confusing to British people, so can we clarify? Our university students normally spend a year abroad *during* their course only if they're studying a foreign language. Do you mean that your son will study abroad *after* he gets his degree? Is he looking for a postgraduate course in literature? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net 25/01/2006 05:10 >>> I know this is off topic, so please feel free to answer me off line. I get the impression that several of the members of this list reside in the United Kingdom and I am in need of some input. My oldest son is looking for a school in the United Kingdom to attend for his year abroad. He is currently a Medieval Lit major, Theatre Arts minor at Beloit College in Wisconsin. He is looking at University of Wales at Swansea, as well as a school in York and one in Bristol. Would you have any other suggestions? We originally thought he would be going to Edinburgh, Scotland, but their Lit program doesn't have what he needs. Any info is greatly appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 08:43:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PDhpok021334 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:43:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PDgwAs009313; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:43:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PDgeI6095399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PDgdFq009930; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PDgOWW009739 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.22a.533d960 (4459) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <22a.533d960.3108da34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:42:12 EST Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:43:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 43D78063.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Not going to be terribly deatailed, as I'm by no means an expert on Chinese equipment (learning) - but I know that pirates of the time wore what looks lots like a European gambeson, but which was made of paper and (?)cotton. I also know that a type of lamellar armour was widely used in china that was made of laquered rhino hide (the particular species of rhino was made extinct by it's use - today I suppose you'd have to use leather or something similar). They also used laquered rawhide - but i forget the date on that one. (sorry - warned you I'd be a bit vague). other thing is - have you tried contacting the royal armouries museum at leeds - they have some chines armour on display, and there's a good chance they'll have lots more in the reserve collection (they do with every other department!). They've been very helpful whenever I've been to see them (I'm sure they'd be as helpful by e-mail / letter). Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 11:13:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGDRGt025407 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:13:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGDBhw009562; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PG971I032339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PG92ve039344; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PG8MIO038615 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:08:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 59755 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 16:08:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FmavRPqphEeE5l6kNgDDWvRhtMavkwonx/pR3/xV9eU55fYmbqdoKj+kFETQKg6kGOf1yWaZPCFrZt0qR2GWwiB3WGcyAw4UOkyrdzVjtxB/OOTTDglAq3qrXTNvgFlNfXeIix/d6nsTs/UGNe22lCj6IW9BzBGr9HfjwkDjoIY= ; Message-ID: <20060125160817.59753.qmail@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.249.220.194] by web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:08:17 PST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:08:17 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43D7A397.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Isn't interesting how different our systems are! No, he will not be done and I'm told that I misunderstood and it isn't a full year, just a semester (5-6 months). He will be in the third year of a four year program. He needs to focus on the Literature classes, but he loves the Theatre part and would like to participate in a show if possible. --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > Rebecca, > The terminology you use is confusing to British > people, so can we clarify? Our university students > normally spend a year abroad *during* their course > only if they're studying a foreign language. Do you > mean that your son will study abroad *after* he gets > his degree? Is he looking for a postgraduate course > in literature? > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >>> ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net 25/01/2006 05:10 >>> > I know this is off topic, so please feel free to > answer me off line. I get the impression that > several > of the members of this list reside in the United > Kingdom and I am in need of some input. > > My oldest son is looking for a school in the United > Kingdom to attend for his year abroad. He is > currently a Medieval Lit major, Theatre Arts minor > at > Beloit College in Wisconsin. > > He is looking at University of Wales at Swansea, as > well as a school in York and one in Bristol. Would > you have any other suggestions? We originally > thought > he would be going to Edinburgh, Scotland, but their > Lit program doesn't have what he needs. > > Any info is greatly appreciated. > > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. > For more information please visit > http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 11:22:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGMW51025669 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:22:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGLm8d013602; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:22:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PGJRfS034510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PGJL1G049280; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PGJBus049025 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7RKFQAKEYE3S for (sender ); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFKUQ33F; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:17:22 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:58:24 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight Message-ID: <20060125.081707.424.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 10:5:2763854468 X-MAIL-INFO: 315f1e8e1ea3276ea327ce5727ce9f3af7dbfad79acbdb6ada7b9af36a234f4a6a8b17b75f4e5fc7eece0b275f57 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhguDbMvDNXq9yMiLVDbrYVAY= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:22:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43D7A59C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Maybe it was a way to lose water weight. Nowadays we have safe diuretics. You might be excusing yourself a bit more often, but you'll be much for comfortable! ;) Arlys On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:27:52 -0500 "Penny Ladnier" writes: > I recently acquired a real treasure, a bound book of Vogue magazines > from 1919. I am having a blast trying to choose which articles to > use first. Its like being in a candy shop. > > In the magazine issues, there are advertisements for rubber garments > like chin straps, corsets, etc., that are to be worn to lose weight. > I gathered the chin strap was worn at night. Has anyone heard of > rubber garments used in this manner? Would women have worn these > items under their everyday clothing? I imagine if they did it would > be rather hot during the warm months... are is that how you were > supposed to lose weight. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 11:38:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGcdON026339 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:38:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGcStg021021; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:38:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PGb79q038388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PGavlY067454; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PGaHSB066601 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B28A1EE2 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:36:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43D7A8FE.6080608@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:36:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:38:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43D7A985.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate M Bunting wrote: > Our university students normally spend a year abroad *during* their course only if they're studying a foreign language. Kate, over here most American students never get the chance to study abroad for a year, it's usually a special program for top students with costs borne entirely by the family so very few can afford it. But the programs do tend to be more varied than just languages. I had the chance to go to Italy for Roman archaeology, or study Dickens in London while I was in college, but expenses were prohibitive. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 11:46:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGkerT026539 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:46:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PGkO1W024865; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:46:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PGiJsV041022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PGgZUJ073885; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PGgR9p073723 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:42:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.30]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F1nj0-0002Tl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:42:26 -0500 Message-ID: <13198327.1138207346918.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:42:26 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:46:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 43D7AB66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! So it looks as though I'm going to be in England for a week in March, and part of it I'll be staying with a family. These are people who are interested in history, BTW, but not necessarily in clothing. What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over there or especially "American"? ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 12:11:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHB3B2027040 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:11:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHAGx8003203; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:10:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PH83ht048194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PH7uBD000894; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PH7En7099919 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25554 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:36:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:36:36 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) In-Reply-To: <13198327.1138207346918.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:10:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7B0F8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Chris Laning wrote: > What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from > California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over > there or especially "American"? I have had good luck with Vermont maple syrup and local wines (I have always lived in wine regions). Anything that is native to where you live will have a cachet to it. However, one dear friend in London begs me to bring her the newest US cleaning supplies! She lived here for a few years and got used to all the fancy products, then went back to Britain and had to wait years for them to be introduced there. Same experience with disposable diapers (this was about 20 years ago.) If I were visiting her today I'd probably bring a Swiffer. I wouldn't suggest cleaning supplies as a gift for strangers, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 12:25:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHPA25027354 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:25:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHOYai009579; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:25:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PHLiKv051068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PHLeST018272; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PHKYf3017198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.25] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0PHKW8t024690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <43D7B2EB.3050405@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:18:35 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice References: <43D7A8FE.6080608@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43D7A8FE.6080608@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:25:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7B453.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dawn wrote: > Kate, over here most American students never get the chance to study > abroad for a year, it's usually a special program for top students with > costs borne entirely by the family so very few can afford it. But the > programs do tend to be more varied than just languages. If the student happens to be at a University that has a Study Abroad Exchange program, the costs are the same as attending their school for that year (plus a couple hundred in extra fees, and airfare). More info can be found at http://www.isep.org/. Definitely worth checking out if you have a future student considering colleges and thinking about study abroad at some point. - Hope (whose daughter just finished a semester in South Korea and is now in Japan--wish those programs had been in place when I was going to school! Oh, costume content--she just sent me some silk from South Korea. Next Regency gown here I come...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 12:30:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHUr1L027527 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:30:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHU66s011877; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PHSefw052276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PHSYmR025732; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:28:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PHSTlq025523 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 33447 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 17:28:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FXacQ6HfOe9L4pxF6qMxYCZGcW75Ukp2W2NZpChISnC7eUrgkofQiwP1dF41CkLQiSaj3WKNm3YeWeH8PsGDp+vUVQRwF4KzWB+qb8X9gbGiHIVOa16AnmdvZzMc3ix2R+er0w1iuaTCyuh5SjMFE3nxtWpl2rr1fcsOWAmEr0Y= ; Message-ID: <20060125172823.33445.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.249.220.194] by web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:28:23 PST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43D7A8FE.6080608@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:30:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7B59E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We are lucky that Beloit is very internationally minded. All school related costs will remain the same and will be paid to Beloit. This means that his financial aid packet will remain the same - Thank God!! They have some sort of reciprical agreement with many schools around the world and supposedly the only extra costs will be the plane ticket and his spending money. --- Dawn wrote: > Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > Our university students normally spend a year > abroad *during* their course only if they're > studying a foreign language. > > Kate, over here most American students never get the > chance to study > abroad for a year, it's usually a special program > for top students with > costs borne entirely by the family so very few can > afford it. But the > programs do tend to be more varied than just > languages. I had the chance > to go to Italy for Roman archaeology, or study > Dickens in London while I > was in college, but expenses were prohibitive. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 12:39:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHdPod027784 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:39:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHcj5W015653; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:39:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PHacIu053774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PHaDra034546; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:36:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PGPO5G054954 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F137440875 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43d53c92.17e69 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D16Zz8k7zcAIAAAAB,b71d12c5646a1d670f97cfca01dd7e5d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060125082523.F8F57AB6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:39:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7B7A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I meant to put in a link for the National Quilt Register, for anyone who's interested. ( Late-night brain strikes again! ) Here 'tis: http://amol.org.au/nqr/ Also, if anyone wants to read my grandmother's story, her name was Mathilde ( Tillie ) Budich, and you can find it through the 'Search the Register' page. ( Can you tell that I'm *incredibly* proud that two of my grandmother's quilts are in the Register? ) Susan, how lovely that you have something that your mom was making, that you can continue. Happy 'yo-yo'-ing! Joannah --- Susan Data-Samtak wrote: My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I made them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my niece. I still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a stash of yo-yos and "yo-yos to be". I knit charity items while watching TV, and sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have collected photos of completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my final goal. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > <--- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: > < > carried < > > There must be something about yo-yo quilts - my maternal grandmother > got hooked on making them, although she never dated them. Below is an > excerpt from the story that my mother wrote about her for the National > Quilt Register: > > "In the 80s she watched me making a 'yo-yo' patch cover for a doll's > cot and that started her on another quite enormous project. She began > to make yo-yo bed covers for all the girls in the family and herself. > We can be sure of 14 that she made in about 8 years. She actually wore > out needles sewing all those circles! She liked the idea of using up > all those small, odd shaped scraps." > > The Burbidges sound like lovely people, you were so lucky to know them. > > Joannah _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 12:40:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHeXSi027808 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PHePAX021518; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PHe31o054738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PHdlVR038600; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:39:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52113.mail.yahoo.com (web52113.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PGghAp073941 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:43:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 47534 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 16:42:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bZ1S21IlxJtDxgQGIYtDFS3f62J/p4TLb+NmFsjH4wsOUHo/1siTEqMiHqXyKpxCNJfZtMIBAFWKzBOUtYaLdpR6rqrdeeCJa7ySOqN3Hac/TDyspNCd4jWT/DUgtkVSeA1vu1wuMNWHSDd759VY6EjWSUG9THNBfrdokKfR68g= ; Message-ID: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52113.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:42:37 EST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601251333.k0PDXSdM003641@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7B809.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't find the painting. I'll have to do a little more digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather than middle class, which is where the focus of my efforts are. But.. it's a start. > I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a > very pregnant state > wearing a kirtle and surcoat. :-) I appreciate the concern, however I personally can't event *get* pregnant anymore, so miscarriage is not a concern of mine. It is indeed a concern to the person I would be making it for, however. The Gestational stays that I am thinking of have expansion lacing in the front so as not to constrict the belly. This is something of a nosy bit of research to see how such a thing was handled at the time. > Hi Kathy, First off, let me warn you not to wear > stays during your > pregnancy, I know from my research in Venetian dress, indeed, they wore what amounted to a muumuu type.. thing... chiton? sort of affair in the last days when nothing will fit. This is however, in the stages of full confinement when no one will see her except immediate family. > Since breast binding wasn't an unheard of thing, it > is possible that they > bound, just enough for support and wore looser > clothing. This is a logical assumption, it's a question of what happens after they outgrew their stays - did they have a soft pair of bodies? Or, is it like the pattern I have described and has expansion lacing in a say, quilt-stiffened corset? Or as you suggest, and bound? I'm thinking to, > that quite possibly they loosened their stays as > they got bigger, until the > point they couldn't wear them. then again too, Elizabethan corsetry wasn't designed to be tightened severely. That's a Victorian convention. as in > tight lacing... Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 13:14:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIEjYO028642 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:14:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIEbd3030583; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:14:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PI8hca062342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:08:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PI8YTt071369; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.213]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PI8LOe070985 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.184]) by mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0PI8DF2014719 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:08:13 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 25 Jan 2006 13:08:13 -0500 Message-Id: <4mq738$k532vu@mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,218,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="676432894:sNHT16946972" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcYh1rRmKh38Q9BVQu6jlQKKalqaAAAApaKw X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:14:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7C00D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, I didn't do a whole lot of research into it, but I was in the last trimester of my pregnancy last year during Faire, and simply wore a very good supporting bra under my loose kirtle and surcoat. My character is solidly middle-class. With the kirtle/surcoat outfit, you really don't need stays or hoops underneath to achieve the right look - using a stiff facing at the bottom of the kirtle achieved the needed "stick-out-ness" without any petticoats or hoops (which wouldn't fit over an ever-expanding belly :-) My second outfit was based on a Flemish working-woman kirtle and front-laced overgown. This worked well, as I could let out the laces as needed, or dispense with the overgown if the day was really hot. (Same with the surcoat above). If the undergown is fitted correctly, it is supposed to support without any corsetry at all. I, however, have never been able to do this fitting on myself satisfactorily, and so again wore a bra during pregnancy, and wear reed-boned stays otherwise. I have photos, but nowhere to put them up online. I can send them to you directly if you would like - let me know. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 13:15:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIFtR0028690 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:15:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIFlAS002472; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:15:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PIFJVI063639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PIFHV8078191; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PIFDsP077999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F1pAd-00039K-DC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:15:03 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:15:03 -0600 Message-ID: <20060125121503.j2968utk415ww400@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:15:03 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7C053.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Kathy Page : > Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for > me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? > I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't > find the painting. I'll have to do a little more > digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather > than middle class, which is where the focus of my > efforts are. But.. it's a start. > >> I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a >> very pregnant state >> wearing a kirtle and surcoat. I don't think that's the correct name for the "covered in pearls" painting; I couldn't find it under that name either. I've found about a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 13:33:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIWuBx029043 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:32:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIWlJ9005977; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PIUHcL066906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PIUAOI093416; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PITvVT093158 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 83267 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 18:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 18:29:49 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060125121928.01d084a8@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:21:36 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help In-Reply-To: <20060124190026.62492.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060124190026.62492.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7C44F.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The highway billboard showed Leslie Mundy smiling proudly and saying: >Hi. > >My thanks to Genie Barrett and D (Debloughcostumes) >for answering my post. I apologize for not stating up >front that I have already seen the Osprey manuals. >This is the (scant) bibliography that I have at my >disposal: Sorry, can't give you anything else. I don't collect information on China much past the Tang, and this is a bit later than that :) Wish I could, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 13:45:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIj4rc029298 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:45:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIiuH1011427; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:44:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PIi7Cw070903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PIhd0t007824; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:43:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PIhXfl007649 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y2so15180uge for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:43:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kFQIemw1gdpaf97NIJ9zI9sBjVBKdvI3FfR/+8CI+myzz3Z2NwMh0SPKfBNf3PzkEBjbM66XJ1r3rbQT4kpVxRSd7naESR+hP/Mfbh+udul+kErlahh/qMc4vKBCoVTlRY1mt6KBzgt6gdT0/mKcJ+w7BHIHT+ARIxM/WxHp5mo= Received: by 10.49.1.7 with SMTP id d7mr90605nfi; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:43:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000601251043m1d3ea351k@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:43:23 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice In-Reply-To: <20060125172823.33445.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <43D7A8FE.6080608@reddawn.net> <20060125172823.33445.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:44:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7C728.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0PIj4rc029298 I attended York Uni and still live in the city now. I can't vouch for the Literature course - but it's a friendly place that has plenty of American students. York always scores highly in the Times best Uni lists (it's number 7 on the list below) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,8403,00.html On 25/01/06, REBECCA BURCH wrote: > > We are lucky that Beloit is very internationally > minded. All school related costs will remain the same > and will be paid to Beloit. This means that his > financial aid packet will remain the same - Thank > God!! They have some sort of reciprical agreement > with many schools around the world and supposedly the > only extra costs will be the plane ticket and his > spending money. > > --- Dawn wrote: > > > Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > > > Our university students normally spend a year > > abroad *during* their course only if they're > > studying a foreign language. > > > > Kate, over here most American students never get the > > chance to study > > abroad for a year, it's usually a special program > > for top students with > > costs borne entirely by the family so very few can > > afford it. But the > > programs do tend to be more varied than just > > languages. I had the chance > > to go to Italy for Roman archaeology, or study > > Dickens in London while I > > was in college, but expenses were prohibitive. > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 13:59:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIxJtI029679 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:59:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PIxBlK017731; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:59:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PE2IPY099186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:02:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PE2GfZ023851; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PE1cKh023382 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:02:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 877491809 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:59:54 -0600 Message-ID: <00cb01c621b7$a33f3c40$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:00:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:59:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7CA7F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Rebecca, > The terminology you use is confusing to British people, so can we clarify? > Our university students normally spend a year abroad *during* their course > only if they're studying a foreign language. Do you mean that your son > will study abroad *after* he gets his degree? Is he looking for a > postgraduate course in literature? > To many Americans, it *is* a foreign language! <;-) and at the risk of butting in--I'm not speaking for Rebecca--many students in High School and College/University choose to spend one year or half a year studying in another country. Usually it's with a list of accepted/screened education facilities and the credits apply just as if they did the year at home. Basically, it's to give them a better sense of their place in the world and exposure to other cultures that American children generally lack. On the other hand, the three students we had from other countries in my high school all said they would be repeating the year at home when they got back, but it was worth it for the experience. (fwiw, the countries were France, Brazil and Australia) Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 15:21:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PKLbXR031503 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:21:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PKLTMF023846; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:21:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PKKArd097088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:20:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PKK2Pn012071; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50208.mail.yahoo.com (web50208.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PKJul5011911 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 17600 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 20:19:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4wPtNoJbYVE+6956GzQlCcnfiOppK+IvMu1p+k5QtNiS3idA512rsqRTmsF4jiKZzM0tsrUf3GXJYJSVC0sLPuolpIhI1v+MU++uXsqSjIHzABXoLxOjffZ1tNMZY9FXyPs09YSqjHDViiFEx30q66IFTe/TdyQgrixgf9bZnSY= ; Message-ID: <20060125201950.17598.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.148.43.79] by web50208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:19:50 PST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:19:50 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Mundy To: Historic-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:21:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7DDC9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Again, thanks to Debbie and Genie. Thank you for your suggestions. I will see if I can contact anyone at the Royal Armouries Museum at Leeds... However, I have to say that I'm pretty sure we're not dealing with armor, lamellar or any other "formal" kind. And "we" aren't the Japanese pirates. For the military "grunts" of the time there seems to be a trend for padded/quilted cotton twill protective clothing. None of the pictures in General Qi's manual shows obvious armor on the infantrymen. The manual's title is Jixiao Xinshu (also Ji Xiao Xin Shu) or New Book for Effective Discipline (1561). I still haven't been able to get the pictures scanned. Again, thank. --Leslie Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 16:56:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PLuPAA002038 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:56:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PLuHlE001555; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:56:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PLsgAW020105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:54:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PLsc07008289; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PL5ZW2059439 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:05:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0PL5RU8008734 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:05:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005801c621f3$114a7660$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <20060125121503.j2968utk415ww400@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:04:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:56:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7F401.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. Thanks. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for >> me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? >> I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't >> find the painting. I'll have to do a little more >> digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather >> than middle class, which is where the focus of my >> efforts are. But.. it's a start. >> >>> I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a >>> very pregnant state >>> wearing a kirtle and surcoat. > > I don't think that's the correct name for the "covered in pearls" > painting; I couldn't find it under that name either. I've found about > a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period > -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting > them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to > be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 16:59:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PLxLpb002092 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:59:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PLxBCP002824; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:59:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PLrB3r019799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:53:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PLqwZg006497; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PKeDZD032227 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F1rR6-000LDH-7S for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:40:12 +0000 Message-ID: <3TQPUpCsH+1DJwBW@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:39:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) References: <13198327.1138207346918.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <13198327.1138207346918.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:59:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7F4AF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If they're interested in history generally, how about a nice, illustrated book on the history of your area? When we went to Jersey last year, we knew we were staying with members of the local history society, and a book of historical postcards of Scotland went down very well - we thought it would make a change from shortbread! Jean Chris Laning wrote >So it looks as though I'm going to be in England for a week in March, >and part of it I'll be staying with a family. These are people who are >interested in history, BTW, but not necessarily in clothing. > >What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from >California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over >there or especially "American"? > > > >____________________________________________________________ >0 Chris Laning >| >+ Davis, California >____________________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 17:25:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PMPY98002561 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:25:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PMPQYv013602; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PMJVam025837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PMJQC7032426; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PMJHQk032296 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22664 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 22:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 22:19:16 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060125220833.01d6db78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:11:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) In-Reply-To: <13198327.1138207346918.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.s a.earthlink.net> References: <13198327.1138207346918.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:25:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D7FAD6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:42 25/01/2006, you wrote: >So it looks as though I'm going to be in England for a week in >March, and part of it I'll be staying with a family. These are >people who are interested in history, BTW, but not necessarily in clothing. > >What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from >California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over >there or especially "American"? Walmart's, JoAnn's,. Red Lobster.................Oh you mean to bring? I am very picky - I like green pickle, zip lock bags, and scissors, which are much cheaper than ours. But then I get to go to the U.S quite often and don't need souvenirs. A local area cook book might be welcome - I have those from all over the U.S. Suzi (In London - will you be in London?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 17:56:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PMuR3C003183 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PMuJLq026041; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:56:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PMsdNt032396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PMsQwj065329; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PMsGBK065108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F1tWf-0000iV-CN; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:54:05 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:54:05 -0600 Message-ID: <20060125165405.5nm31zrzduccwoos@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:54:05 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting Ailith Mackintosh : > Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. > The tinyurl is the link to the same page ..... Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let me know) just look at that pregnant face ... http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorToledo.jpg http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 and she certainly looks pregnant to me! Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg http://tinyurl.com/css6h Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02108.jpg http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 Maegherita of Austria http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg http://tinyurl.com/8rqty The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=999999961&artistid=206 The Pearly Queen http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg and protrait of a woman in red http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg That last one is from 1620. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 18:13:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNDjbM003479 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:13:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNDbap032067; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PNCpMg035071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:12:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PNCkMU082364; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PNCf3v082217 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7SBPGASJRF4J for (sender ); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFLLDN3C; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:10:34 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:09:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) Message-ID: <20060125.160933.-1028127.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-11,13-43 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 16:8:3484707986 X-MAIL-INFO: 22c5845584cdfd41cdfde485fde435b0897024101ddd70d509a01dd0d55934f9d5f444a5c515c5c465e4b9fdc585 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn70hjuhmI++MJtw+OQtCXA5Abu+1xD9sbiw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:13:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D80621.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering if Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL are 2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large chunks of fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust free. I was thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are common Across The Pond then there's little point in bringing them over. Karen Seamstrix On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:11:44 +0000 Suzi Clarke writes: > At 16:42 25/01/2006, you wrote: > >So it looks as though I'm going to be in England for a week in > >March, and part of it I'll be staying with a family. These are > >people who are interested in history, BTW, but not necessarily in > clothing. > > > >What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from > >California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over > > >there or especially "American"? > > > > Walmart's, JoAnn's,. Red Lobster.................Oh you mean to > bring? I am very picky - I like green pickle, zip lock bags, and > scissors, which are much cheaper than ours. But then I get to go to > > the U.S quite often and don't need souvenirs. > > A local area cook book might be welcome - I have those from all over > the U.S. > > Suzi (In London - will you be in London?) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 18:18:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNIBjB003552 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:18:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNI4cQ001035; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PNHiYO035536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PNHimp086537; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0PNHbSt086406 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68021 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 23:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 23:17:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060125231542.01dcc358@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:17:36 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) In-Reply-To: <20060125.160933.-1028127.2.penhalion@juno.com> References: <20060125.160933.-1028127.2.penhalion@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:18:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8072C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 22:09 25/01/2006, you wrote: >I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering if >Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are >super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL are >2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large chunks of >fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust free. I was >thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are common Across The >Pond then there's little point in bringing them over. > >Karen >Seamstrix Ooooh, I didn't know about those - I use the clear plastic carrier bags that come from my favourite fabric shop! Thinks - now I know someone who's visiting me with smaller ziplocs - hmmm! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 18:49:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNmx8U004216 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:48:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNmpHv012456; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:48:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PNmL3G040056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PNmKhK017428; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PNleBR016684 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.36.239] (dialup-4.249.36.239.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.36.239]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PNlVbV024812 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:47:32 -0800 Message-ID: <43D80E41.6080202@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:48:17 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) References: <20060125.160933.-1028127.2.penhalion@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060125231542.01dcc358@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060125231542.01dcc358@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:48:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D80E63.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suzi Clarke wrote: > Ooooh, I didn't know about those - I use the clear plastic carrier bags > that come from my favourite fabric shop! Thinks - now I know someone > who's visiting me with smaller ziplocs - hmmm! > those big ziplock bags: I can roll up med size sheepkskins and fit 2 or 3 in the XL! They have a handle grip molded to the top of them. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 18:54:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNseMY004394 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:54:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0PNsWT1014688; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:54:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0PNlhqS039884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PNlYTt016598; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav8.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0PNlR68016450 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:47:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:47:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:47:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060125201950.17598.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:47:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 23:47:22.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFAA6E30:01C62209] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:54:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D80FB8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Try contacting Glenn Kauffman at the University of Georgia. He's a textile expert for Japan and other areas. He's an instructor at UGA, and spends 6 months a year in Japan in his workshop. He'd definitely know where to send you. He loves the history of Japan and the textiles that were along the way. I had Japanese history one semester. We covere the periods and the textiles that were for that period. He'd know about the armor and the daily clothing of the Japanese. I did a report on the Anui, the indiginous peoples of Japan. They were like the Indians to the New World settlers. His name may be listed on their website under the Art department.Fabrci Design and Textile history, weaving, design and protfolio classes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Mundy" To: "Historic-Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help > Again, thanks to Debbie and Genie. > > Thank you for your suggestions. I will see if I can > contact anyone at the Royal Armouries Museum at > Leeds... > > However, I have to say that I'm pretty sure we're not > dealing with armor, lamellar or any other "formal" > kind. And "we" aren't the Japanese pirates. For the > military "grunts" of the time there seems to be a > trend for padded/quilted cotton twill protective > clothing. > > None of the pictures in General Qi's manual shows > obvious armor on the infantrymen. The manual's title > is Jixiao Xinshu (also Ji Xiao Xin Shu) or New Book > for Effective Discipline (1561). I still haven't been > able to get the pictures scanned. > > Again, thank. > > --Leslie > > > > > Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 > John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University > Providence, RI > > Just think... > "Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, > flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane." > http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 19:43:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q0hfIZ005205 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:43:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q0hXSH001414; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q0ftRT050186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q0fpgB063625; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q0fhu4063377 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.193]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060126004137.UFWO19876.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:41:37 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.184.185]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060126004136.RFFF22512.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:41:36 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.23/240]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:41:40 +1300 Message-ID: <008901c62211$45ae0a20$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:41:40 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:43:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D81B35.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > > I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a > > very pregnant state > > wearing a kirtle and surcoat. I have a picture of "Mildred Coke, Lady Burghley, 1562-3, oil on panel." She is wearing a surcoat, what look to be black/red worked sleeves and partlet (it's a black and white image but this seems a reasonable assumption) and an unusual garment underneath. There is a girdle around her expanding middle and above that are diagonal lines of scalloped trim. Below the girdle is a plain skirt. There is also a very narrow horizontal line just below her breasts. Her sleeves reflect the scallop shape, but they are upside down and rather more ornate. > then again too, Elizabethan corsetry wasn't designed > to be tightened severely. That's a Victorian > convention. With high fashion (of England France and Spain) there was a very definite tendancy to much waist reduction. The ideal was as extreme (in it's way) as the ideal in the late Victorian era! http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady35.jpg Though to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if this hadn't been retouched. Dpes anyone know? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/LetticeKnollys.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady10.jpg http://www.marileecody.com http://www.marileecody.com/maryqos/maryring.jpg http://www.wga.hu/html/c/corneill/rochecho.html Of course most of these are stylised, but that's the point. The ideal was this extreme shape (for various reasons of art and fashion.) I'm pretty sure there are as many sermons against the evils of tightlacing in the 16thC as there were in the 19th;) Just as there was against tight clothes earlier than this. >From Corsets and Crinolines. "1550 Hyr mydle braced in, as smal as a wande; And some by wastes of wyre at the paste wyfes hand" "1577 French women have inconceivably narrow waists; they swell out their gowns from the waist downwards by whalebones stuffs and vertugardins, which increases the elegance of their figures. Over the chemise they were a corset or bodice, that they call a "corps pique" which makes their shape more delicate and slender... " Jerome Lippomano, ambassador of venice to France. "1588 To become slender in wast, and to have a straight spagnolised body, what pinching what girding, what cingling, will they not endure; yea sometimes with yron-plates, with whale-bones and other such trash..." then it gets more silly;) Sounds very much the same as the criticism fo the 19thC. A mix of fact and fiction to make it sound worse than it was. "1589 ... That she be so bombe-thin, yet she crosse like seems four squaire" William Warner, Albion's England "1597 I shall have a petitcoat of silk,...; it shall have a French bodys not of whalebone for that is not stiff enough, but of horn for that will hold it out; it shall come in low before to in my belly..... I will have a busk of whale bone, it shall be tied with two silk points, and I will have a wrought stomacher embossed with gold." quoted by G. B. Harrison, Elizabethan Journal (does anyone have further info on this?) Now if I could just find a nice pic of the effigy stays... Sigh... the site is down, they were here: http://www.elizabethi.org/us/wardrobe/corset.htm It's hard to compare, but the method of optical illusion (broader shoulders and skirts) with fitted stays is very similar in many periods. I'm not saying that all women had or even tried to achieve this tininess, just that it seems to be as popular then as many other times in history. That there was an ideal that was not always matched in reality, but that it was still desireable by at least some of the human population. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 19:54:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q0sD8S005469 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:54:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q0s5Bn005665; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:54:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q0rdec052022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q0rcTY072601; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:53:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q0rY4P072483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F1vO5-0002u1-9B; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:53:23 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:53:21 -0600 Message-ID: <20060125185321.lefe4kghm2qgcsko@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:53:21 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <008901c62211$45ae0a20$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <008901c62211$45ae0a20$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:54:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D81DAD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting michaela : >> > I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a >> > very pregnant state >> > wearing a kirtle and surcoat. > > I have a picture of "Mildred Coke, Lady Burghley, 1562-3, oil on panel." She > is wearing a surcoat, what look to be black/red worked sleeves and partlet > (it's a black and white image but this seems a reasonable assumption) and an > unusual garment underneath. There is a girdle around her expanding middle > and above that are diagonal lines of scalloped trim. Below the girdle is a > plain skirt. There is also a very narrow horizontal line just below her > breasts. Her sleeves reflect the scallop shape, but they are upside down and > rather more ornate. > > Cool. Where did you find this wonderful picture? Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 20:23:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q1NbP6006270 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:23:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q1NS6C017606; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:23:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q1MW0B057693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q1MS7Q095248; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q1MP5p095191 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A3C13056E for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:22:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-38.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-38.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.38]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:22:23 +1100 Message-ID: <1138238543.43d8244f1e244@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:22:23 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight References: <00c401c62199$ffeccde0$6400a8c0@Penny> <004e01c621b0$92478840$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <004e01c621b0$92478840$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:23:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D82491.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I cannot speak for some of the stuff in the original post but I have a couple of bits to add: When I was much younger -- well, not that much for I am still.... bahh, you'll never believe it -- I used to do odd things like try to keep fit. Part of that was to make arm and head holes in a dry cleaning plastic cover and wear it under my track (sweat) suit while training. I know, I know, I know, there are good reasons not to do this but, hell, it works when done right. As to hiding flab, these days I often work with those mountains of fitness called professional wrestlers. For one popular wrestler who has a second, masked and bodysuited character, I made a neoprene (wetsuit fabric) bodysuit to wear under the costume to thin him in. It works, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 21:41:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q2f4Sc007566 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:41:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q2euwY012826; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:40:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q2e82d069756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q2e3g0052282; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q2e0Sw052174 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:40:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ITO000YQI2G9U00@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:39:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:39:48 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays In-reply-to: <20060125165405.5nm31zrzduccwoos@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:40:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D836B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi -- The Eleonora painting was auctioned off at Sotheby's this past year. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Quoting Ailith Mackintosh : > Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. > The tinyurl is the link to the same page ..... Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let me know) just look at that pregnant face ... http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorTole do.jpg http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 and she certainly looks pregnant to me! Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg http://tinyurl.com/css6h Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02 108.jpg http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 Maegherita of Austria http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.j pg http://tinyurl.com/8rqty The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=999999961&artistid=206 The Pearly Queen http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg and protrait of a woman in red http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg That last one is from 1620. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 21:45:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q2jVJe007657 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:45:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q2jNR0014339; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:45:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q2j9LG070371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q2j78n055948; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q2j37Y055842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F1x80-0000GD-Qf; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:44:52 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:44:52 -0600 Message-ID: <20060125204452.r2ct35bnqjw4c4kc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:44:52 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:45:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D837C3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting monica spence : > > Hi -- > The Eleonora painting was auctioned off at Sotheby's this past year. That's right! Thanks. Jerusha (busily making a note ...) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 21:51:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q2ouxu007721 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:50:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q2omVU016243; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q2oPJa070935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q2oIw9059179; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q2o9Nl058985 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ITO00F4DIJ8QZ00@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:49:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:49:53 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays In-reply-to: <005801c621f3$114a7660$2f02a8c0@Duncan> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:50:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D83908.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The painting of Lady Burley can be found in Roy Strong's "The English Icon"-- however it is in B&W. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. Thanks. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for >> me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? >> I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't >> find the painting. I'll have to do a little more >> digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather >> than middle class, which is where the focus of my >> efforts are. But.. it's a start. >> >>> I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a >>> very pregnant state >>> wearing a kirtle and surcoat. > > I don't think that's the correct name for the "covered in pearls" > painting; I couldn't find it under that name either. I've found about > a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period > -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting > them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to > be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 22:14:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q3E6LK008023 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:14:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q3Dw2k023879; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q3DVxD074893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q3DNiO075788; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q3DFZm075523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F1xZE-0004BV-7i; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:13:00 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:13:00 -0600 Message-ID: <20060125211300.g12rlo1qa0y04w44@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:13:00 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting monica spence : > The painting of Lady Burley can be found in Roy Strong's "The English > Icon"-- however it is in B&W. *chuckle* We have 30 books by Roy Strong at my university library. "The English Icon" is *not* one of them! Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 22:39:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q3d3IP008509 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:39:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q3coNT032344; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q3cJEf078454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q3cEgZ095473; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52113.mail.yahoo.com (web52113.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0Q3cCES095352 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 418 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2006 03:38:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P3Y93Dp3nMHRAO9rcPRl6+UW6XjvIXotBrPViba5TLMSW6NEYMeeGA772nd82M5FerrtK++PIAx7ctlsPWXBqbFKaWv1AIpr/mXw3wacEyG5UzznbXrmXjVFF0zgKfVuW6puyHWjLylMZoN8tSdlze9TP7mkUFG4NSaqjHpzYRY= ; Message-ID: <20060126033807.416.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52113.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:38:07 EST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601251809.k0PI93cT071793@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:38:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8444A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Rebecca, Please do. The more references we have, the happier we will be. :-) Kathy > I have photos, but nowhere to put them up online. I > can send them to you > directly if you would like - let me know. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 22:48:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q3mEhE008737 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:48:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q3m2jj002776; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:48:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q3lPj2080148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q3lKqA003231; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:47:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0Q3lIEn003133 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:47:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 5510 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2006 03:47:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qAQGN7QMsoFX9Z3l0D1tBxRk9wfehXJZQHo+P3A1hSZL22R0E2DbxVnDCz/5OJ1ENQMw9RC9dZBtlPSfLrfKZDsJg9aLCVojnttsE6kstDGcjZIdldEm4mY+f7NEcDoZv7Gm355RjIu0kazQgDog0RkBLe6Jf9WGVyqmNOkGrHc= ; Message-ID: <20060126034712.5508.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:47:12 EST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601251900.k0PJ0IuA026095@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:48:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D84672.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Susan, That would be great! I am asking as a part of a team for a costuming competition, so having a link with several useful things on it would be grand. :-) We are planning a middle class English/Flemish loose gown. The model is planning a pregancy, so we wanted to make sure we had all the accomodation for it - it would add an interesting touch to the research. Kathy > I've found about > a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late > in the SCA period > -- including one that's just out of period. I can > see about getting > them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one > of them appears to > be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 25 23:55:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q4tRH8009815 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q4tGRv025036; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q4sfe8092661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:54:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q4sanx057095; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q4sWwW057004 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.164.127]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060126045426.BJHQ2202.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:54:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00e501c62233$50f2be40$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060126033807.416.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:45:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D85634.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sorry if this has already been posted, I have only briefly been skimming these emails. :-) This should be one of the paintings everyone has been discussing: http://www.tate.org.uk/magazine/issue4/pearlyqueen_image1.htm Here's another one by the same artist: (you may have to cut and paste) http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=5136&searchid=9046 I had saved a copy of the first picture to my hard drive some time ago and I thought it should still be up somewhere. I googled images under 'pearly queen'. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 00:14:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q5Emrc010109 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:14:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0Q5Ed8T032291; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:14:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0Q5ECpg096296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q5EAhQ072405; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao04.cox.net (eastrmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0Q5E2at072249 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060126051356.CMZJ19943.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:13:56 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic -need advice) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:13:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYiB+pwwo3mUVrCQ8G0DhMFXkjWVwALswIA In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20060125231542.01dcc358@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: <20060126051356.CMZJ19943.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:14:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D85ABF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 22:09 25/01/2006, you wrote: >I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering if >Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are >super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL are >2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large chunks of >fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust free. I was >thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are common Across The >Pond then there's little point in bringing them over. > >Karen >Seamstrix >Ooooh, I didn't know about those - I use the clear plastic carrier >bags that come from my favourite fabric shop! Thinks - now I know >someone who's visiting me with smaller ziplocs - hmmm! >Suzi Well, it looks like someone beat me to it and killed one of my surprises (sigh). I was planning to bring some of those with me ever since you mentioned Ziplock bags. I had been seeing the ads on TV and thought how neat they looked. All is well, though, since I have plenty of other surprises. Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/239 - Release Date: 1/24/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 05:38:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QAc2Ye027985 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:38:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QAbsaT014234; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:37:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QAb4hi059341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QAasoo089016; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f14.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QAalF6088844 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:36:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:36:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:36:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.195.81.90] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601260122.k0Q1MT5W095262@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:36:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2006 10:36:45.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[6782B0D0:01C62264] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:37:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8A682.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Those Ziploc bags sound great... I would definitely like to get my hands on some of those. FWIW, my mother always comes back from America and/or Australia with a year's supply of what we call clingfilm - it's Glad Wrap in Australia, might be the same in the US. Apparently other countries' clingfilm is much better than ours... Interesting foodie things always go down well with me - and wine. Kate >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:09:32 -0600 >From: Karen R Bergquist >Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - > need advice) >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <20060125.160933.-1028127.2.penhalion@juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering if >Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are >super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL are >2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large chunks of >fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust free. I was >thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are common Across The >Pond then there's little point in bringing them over. > >Karen >Seamstrix > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 07:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QCZ4br016781 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:35:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QCYseZ025252; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QCWbRo072991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QCWSVi059435; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QCWPa2059338 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A14E01A4; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:32:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 26 Jan 2006 07:32:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c62274$c6f2f600$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00c401c62199$ffeccde0$6400a8c0@Penny><004e01c621b0$92478840$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> <1138238543.43d8244f1e244@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:33:52 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:34:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8C1EE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On the rubber garments issue... Does anyone remember the "joys" of wearing a Platex girdle in the 1950s?My husband to be used to call it "body armor". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight > I cannot speak for some of the stuff in the original post but I have a couple > of bits to add: > > When I was much younger -- well, not that much for I am still.... bahh, you'll > never believe it -- I used to do odd things like try to keep fit. Part of that > was to make arm and head holes in a dry cleaning plastic cover and wear it > under my track (sweat) suit while training. I know, I know, I know, there are > good reasons not to do this but, hell, it works when done right. > > As to hiding flab, these days I often work with those mountains of fitness > called professional wrestlers. For one popular wrestler who has a second, > masked and bodysuited character, I made a neoprene (wetsuit fabric) bodysuit to > wear under the costume to thin him in. It works, > > -C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 09:47:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QElDZL019776 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QEl10I017609; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QEkMGZ092526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:46:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QEkI7c052468; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:46:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QAo5Vu097420 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f554c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.76]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2556926287E for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:49:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:49:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork bag X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8E0E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. 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In a message dated 1/26/2006 5:38:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrscakehole@hotmail.com writes: Interesting foodie things always go down well with me - and wine. Marmite it is! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 10:09:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QF94Xv020340 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:09:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QF8uSa028638; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:08:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QF7wOU097617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QF7rJ1072317; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QF7lgm072088 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2cf.240fb59 (16109) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed43d8e5b34a; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:07:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:07:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:08:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8E608.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0QF94Xv020340 Beautiful! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 26, 2006, at 5:49 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 10:11:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QFBcHB020395 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:11:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QFBU25029949; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:11:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QFA8NN097912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QFA3vC073961; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QF9CeC073303 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m143.in-tch.com [216.166.191.143]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0QF0tr17075 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:00:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001a01c6228b$71623d60$8fbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:16:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:11:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8E6A2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It can be "glad wrap," here in the U.S., as well. Technically, it's a brand name, like saying "Kleenex" instead of "facial tissue" or something....I've also heard it called "Saran Wrap" (another brand name) and plastic wrap. We Americans traveling in Britain tend to bring home our own British goodies, too, you know? I cherished my package of Demerara sugar (just used the last of it over Christmas...made it last over 3 years!), and still have a jar of Branson's Pickle left. Couldn't bring back any of the wonderful cheeses, though! --Sue, who has some of the Ziplocs for her fiber and yarn stash ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Cole" To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits > Those Ziploc bags sound great... I would definitely like to get my hands on > some of those. > > FWIW, my mother always comes back from America and/or Australia with a > year's supply of what we call clingfilm - it's Glad Wrap in Australia, might > be the same in the US. Apparently other countries' clingfilm is much better > than ours... > > Interesting foodie things always go down well with me - and wine. > > Kate > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 6 > >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:09:32 -0600 > >From: Karen R Bergquist > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - > > need advice) > >To: h-costume@indra.com > >Message-ID: <20060125.160933.-1028127.2.penhalion@juno.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering if > >Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are > >super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL are > >2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large chunks of > >fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust free. I was > >thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are common Across The > >Pond then there's little point in bringing them over. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 10:16:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QFGIhO020486 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:16:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QFGAEh032240; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QFF3a3098891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QFF2qu078480; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0QFEt0q078381 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 22860 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 07:14:54 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22834, pid: 22835, t: 3.9937s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1239 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 07:14:50 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060126071203.02407028@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:14:44 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag In-Reply-To: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:16:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8E7BA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 02:49 AM 1/26/2006, you wrote: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > >This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. > >Bjarne > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ Very pretty (as usual)! Thanks for sharing your work with us. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 10:21:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QFL8Ig020585 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:21:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QFL0of002299; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:21:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QFK7JW099900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QFK11x083784; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QFJugG083621 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.24e.551beaf (17079) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <24e.551beaf.310a4291@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:19:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:21:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D8E8DC.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:10:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: ....I've also heard it called "Saran Wrap" (another brand name) ************** Funny...when I worked for a local theatre group years and years ago, we had this running joke about making costumes out of Saran Wrap. "It's cheap! You don't even have to sew it, it just sticks to itself! It clings so things always fit!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 13:26:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QIQBpf028483 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:26:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QIQ15g009085; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:26:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QINxE5029188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QIN2cL064104; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:23:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QIMSuR063373 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A35B0258; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:22:19 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 26 Jan 2006 13:22:06 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01c622a5$ac26a5c0$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <24e.551beaf.310a4291@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:23:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:26:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D91439.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And the best of all "Stretch-Tite". Makes me think of one of my favorite scenes in "Fried Green Tomatoes" when the would be woman's libber opens the door to greet her husband at night all done up in just plastic... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits > > In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:10:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > > ....I've > also heard it called "Saran Wrap" (another brand name) > > > ************** > > Funny...when I worked for a local theatre group years and years ago, we had > this running joke about making costumes out of Saran Wrap. "It's cheap! You > don't even have to sew it, it just sticks to itself! It clings so things always > fit!" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 14:35:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QJZIDc030065 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:35:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QJZBBH011468; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:35:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QJY86L042713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:34:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QJY2Ar040798; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QJXtWH040605 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:33:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05719 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:03:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:03:24 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits In-Reply-To: <008a01c622a5$ac26a5c0$925083d1@rmitchellras> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:35:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9246F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Makes me think of one of my favorite scenes in "Fried Green Tomatoes" > when the would be woman's libber opens the door to greet her husband > at night all done up in just plastic... Actually, the saran-wrap thing was originally suggested by Marabel Morgan in "The Total Woman," a handbook for being a submissive loving wife, widely regarded as about as anti-"women's lib" as you can get. I think that one actually qualifies as historic costume -- 1973. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 15:04:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QK4vaI030812 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:04:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QK4nhY024934; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QK1c9S047548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QK1S7A067913; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:01:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QK1Lrk067695 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0QK18Ua001519 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:01:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007e01c622b3$40b40db0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <20060125121503.j2968utk415ww400@www.goldsword.com> <005801c621f3$114a7660$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060125165405.5nm31zrzduccwoos@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:01:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D92B62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks so much. I haven't seen that one before, and, yes, it surely does look like Eleanora. In 1999 I went to London with some friends. While there we attended a Study Day at the V&A. It was originally intended to be lead by Janet Arnold, but she had passed away the previous autumn. So it turned into a kind of rememberance of her. Anyway, one of the curators from the Tate said that she was working gathering images of pregnant ladies for (I believe) a book. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't an exhibition. Has anyone heard or seen anything about this? Just curious. And thanks again, Susan. With regards, kate PS: Does anyone know if there is a publication date for Janet Arnold's book on underwear? That was one other thing that was discussed that day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays > Quoting Ailith Mackintosh : > >> Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. >> > > The tinyurl is the link to the same page ..... > > Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, > and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let > me know) just look at that pregnant face ... > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorToledo.jpg > http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 > and she certainly looks pregnant to me! > > Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg > http://tinyurl.com/css6h > > Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02108.jpg > http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 > > Maegherita of Austria > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg > http://tinyurl.com/8rqty > > The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here > http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=999999961&artistid=206 > The Pearly Queen > http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg > and protrait of a woman in red > http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg > That last one is from 1620. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 15:47:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QKl9Cl032121 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:47:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QKkx6o015715; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:47:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QKjtfW055227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QKjiYv011084; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0QKjaPx010910 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 24590 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 20:45:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060126203944.01dc7a80@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:45:36 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays In-Reply-To: <007e01c622b3$40b40db0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <20060125121503.j2968utk415ww400@www.goldsword.com> <005801c621f3$114a7660$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060125165405.5nm31zrzduccwoos@www.goldsword.com> <007e01c622b3$40b40db0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:47:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D93543.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 20:01 26/01/2006, you wrote: >Thanks so much. I haven't seen that one before, and, yes, it surely >does look like Eleanora. > >In 1999 I went to London with some friends. While there we attended >a Study Day at the V&A. It was originally intended to be lead by >Janet Arnold, but she had passed away the previous autumn. So it >turned into a kind of rememberance of her. > >Anyway, one of the curators from the Tate said that she was working >gathering images of pregnant ladies for (I believe) a book. I'm >pretty sure that it wasn't an exhibition. > >Has anyone heard or seen anything about this? > >Just curious. > >And thanks again, Susan. > >With regards, >kate > >PS: Does anyone know if there is a publication date for Janet >Arnold's book on underwear? That was one other thing that was >discussed that day. I have not heard of a book specifically on pregnant fashion. I try to get updates from various friends of Janet's in the Museum world, and so far no-one has a sniff of a date. There were two books at the 4th draft stage, according to Janet, before she died, one of which was the underwear book. The other was kind of filling the gap between 1620 and 1660, she told me, but with all the other stuff from earlier that she had found since writing the other books. Her literary executors are writers and lecturers in their own right, and presumably don't have time to spend on her books as they might wish. I will ask again after this weekend, when I will have 4 Tudor dresses being worn (not finished - I need the three weeks they brought the deadline forward by to do that), but wearable - thank God for theatre training!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QKpsKR032228 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:51:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QKplMP018703; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:51:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QKpE9K056118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QKpBs2016911; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QKp5Cv016816 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5295EF0314; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:46:33 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:51:02 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c622ba$37fb37f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001a01c6228b$71623d60$8fbfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Go to Costco and get one of those great big rolls of restaurant grade plastic wrap. It's much better than regular plastic wrap. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits It can be "glad wrap," here in the U.S., as well. Technically, it's a brand name, like saying "Kleenex" instead of "facial tissue" or something....I've also heard it called "Saran Wrap" (another brand name) and plastic wrap. We Americans traveling in Britain tend to bring home our own British goodies, too, you know? I cherished my package of Demerara sugar (just used the last of it over Christmas...made it last over 3 years!), and still have a jar of Branson's Pickle left. Couldn't bring back any of the wonderful cheeses, though! --Sue, who has some of the Ziplocs for her fiber and yarn stash ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Cole" To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits > Those Ziploc bags sound great... I would definitely like to get my > hands on > some of those. > > FWIW, my mother always comes back from America and/or Australia with a > year's supply of what we call clingfilm - it's Glad Wrap in Australia, might > be the same in the US. Apparently other countries' clingfilm is much better > than ours... > > Interesting foodie things always go down well with me - and wine. > > Kate > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 6 > >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:09:32 -0600 > >From: Karen R Bergquist > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - > >need advice) > >To: h-costume@indra.com > >Message-ID: <20060125.160933.-1028127.2.penhalion@juno.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering > >if Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are > >super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL > >are 2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large > >chunks of fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust > >free. I was thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are > >common Across The Pond then there's little point in bringing them > >over. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 17:39:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QMd2UW002655 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:39:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QMctH6004617; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:38:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QMcCHj075807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0QMc2EU048755; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QIPEKh066642 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A40202B4; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:25:06 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 26 Jan 2006 13:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: <009001c622a6$133e3fc0$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:26:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:38:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D94F7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I love this shape! It takes the ordinary evening to another level. Not that your Work is just ordinary... What do you have in mind for the handle? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork bag > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 17:42:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QMgeEW002711 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:42:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QMgXhT005977; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QMetrM076395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:40:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0QMesW2051398; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0QKHqIP083132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:17:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F2DYo-0005DT-6n; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:17:38 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:17:38 -0600 Message-ID: <20060126141738.nngj8ezykoug4sw4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:17:38 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <20060125121503.j2968utk415ww400@www.goldsword.com> <005801c621f3$114a7660$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060125165405.5nm31zrzduccwoos@www.goldsword.com> <007e01c622b3$40b40db0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> In-Reply-To: <007e01c622b3$40b40db0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:42:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D95059.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Ailith Mackintosh : *snippage > > Anyway, one of the curators from the Tate said that she was working > gathering images of pregnant ladies for (I believe) a book. I'm > pretty sure that it wasn't an exhibition. > > Has anyone heard or seen anything about this? > No, I hadn't, but that would just be too cool. Of course there are "a lot" from the earlier medieval period, but they're all of The Virgin Mary. I know that the one of Margherita of Austria was the first one that I ever saw. I was looking through the museum booklet from that Splendor in Italy" exhibit where they replicated garb from some paintings -- and it was "*wow* She's *pregnant*" -- that's the painting that started me looking for Pregnant Women. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 18:07:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QN7O2l003470 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:07:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QN7GeR014683; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:07:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QN1Xv2080094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:01:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0QN1SIw070692; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0QN1N8A070538 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:01:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4BD01F8; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:01:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 26 Jan 2006 18:01:10 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c622cc$a881f600$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:02:57 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:07:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D95624.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I remember this issue but could not get my mind to the book. The movie scenes "quote" the issues, as I recall as are presented in the book.. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Makes me think of one of my favorite scenes in "Fried Green Tomatoes" > > when the would be woman's libber opens the door to greet her husband > > at night all done up in just plastic... > > Actually, the saran-wrap thing was originally suggested by Marabel Morgan > in "The Total Woman," a handbook for being a submissive loving wife, > widely regarded as about as anti-"women's lib" as you can get. > > I think that one actually qualifies as historic costume -- 1973. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 18:52:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QNq5PK005519 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:52:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0QNpvAg030431; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:52:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0QNpQjJ089175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:51:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0QNpJ8O016560; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0QNpF60016520 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.148.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.148] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F2GtW-0002uY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:51:15 -0500 Message-ID: <43D96E61.4060108@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:50:41 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <008901c62211$45ae0a20$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:52:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9609D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! michaela wrote: > "1597 > I shall have a petitcoat of silk,...; it shall have a French bodys not of > whalebone for that is not stiff enough, but of horn for that will hold it > out; it shall come in low before to in my belly..... I will have a busk of > whale bone, it shall be tied with two silk points, and I will have a wrought > stomacher embossed with gold." > quoted by G. B. Harrison, Elizabethan Journal (does anyone have further info > on this?) It's also in Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd. Arnold says: "In 1597 the three children of a gentleman named Starkie living in Lacashire were posssessed of the devil and made accusations of witchcraft. the eldest girl, aged fourteen, screamed and yelled to her possessing demon: Come my lad. Come on and set my partlet on one side as I do on the other...Thus, my lad, I will have a fine Smocke of silke, it shall be finer than thine, I will ahve a Petticoat of silke, not redde but of the finest silk that is, it shall be guarded and a foote high: it shall be laid on with gold lace: it shall have a French bodie, not of whalebone, for that is not stiff enough, but of horne for that will hold it out, it shall come, to keepe in my belly...My lad I will have a Busk of Whalebone, it shall be tyed with two silke Points, and I will have a drawn wrought stomacher imbroidered with golde, finer than thine." (pp. 146-7) If you'd like to find the original quote and fill in the ellipses, there's a version of Harrison's book online at http://leehrsn.50megs.com/index.html Cheers, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 21:12:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R2ChkT024881 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:12:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R2CZbR016531; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:12:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R2BtDB011651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R2BtHp024369; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R2BqD5024275 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:11:47 -0800 Message-ID: <43D98167.5000300@msn.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:11:51 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wickedfrau@msn.com References: <43D980E6.3000603@msn.com> In-Reply-To: <43D980E6.3000603@msn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2006 02:11:47.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[06E41B00:01C622E7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: [h-cost] Wow-could we get away with these at an 18th century gig? 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Great-looking shoes for modern wear except for the 3" heel. BTW, if Zappos doesn't have the color I want in my shoe size, or my size though the manufacturer makes it, I do get the style name from Zappos and do a Google search. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: > Wow-could we get away with these at an 18th century gig? > http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/3035290/c/20.html > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 22:33:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R3XpKe027360 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R3Xeit009972; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R3Rfth022291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R3RbsV077675; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R3RWVY077610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:27:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0R3M4Gr010568 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:22:04 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:22:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43D99322.7000402@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:27:30 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wow-could we get away with these at an 18th century gig? References: <43D980E6.3000603@msn.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D99494.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! WickedFrau wrote: > Wow-could we get away with these at an 18th century gig? Wouldn't you have to cover them with something else? And of course remove the leopard-print bow. (Even modernly, the combination with red paisley is hideous!) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent US postage with medieval images on it: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/1160846 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 22:59:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R3xTdh027723 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:59:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R3xB7M018923; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:59:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R3rgt1026452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R3rd16095346; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R3rZVJ095292 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EF4E3387F for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:53:34 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wow-could we get away with these at an 18th century gig? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:53:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:59:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D99A8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! With a little work (like remove the fur)it could squeeze by for 1700s shoes. But at that price you might as well get the reproductions De -----Original Message----- Wow-could we get away with these at an 18th century gig? http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/3035290/c/20.html WickedFrau wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 23:13:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4D87L028219 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:13:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4CshU023758; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:12:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R47Iih028525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R47G0Q005347; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:07:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52101.mail.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0R47BH4005237 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 61747 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2006 04:07:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=caItA74s2z1aP27zA4wzhmFR75EOgXQqlxxedx2MOz5bt+PSKqNlIZpNqANGJfaTvnFhDmIkxuOSrHVWw/xBRk9lir4HWNQD2djnJxxsbsNdvnrin6mTKIxnb9R5tkjJ1wbBPToyjC8whG2fYWqc8SqRvLhx36JB+8g/P63ZF6s= ; Message-ID: <20060127040706.61745.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:06 EST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601260122.k0Q1MT5U095262@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset Habits was: Gestational Stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:12:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D99DC6.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Not that I am arguing th validity of your points, I think though some could be qualified. Both of us have a losing battle trying to truly prove our points of view, so take it for what it's worth. > With high fashion (of England France and Spain) > there was a very definite > tendancy to much waist reduction. There is no doubt that someone somewhere, and likely quantities of them in high fashion circles got into tight lacing in the period. Extreme body modification is a curious human trait that transcends time. I would hazard however that the masses were not in the habit of tight lacing. Corsetry, at it's core purpose is to mould the squishy bits into a pleasing shape. Some people just take that a step further than others. The ideal was as > extreme (in it's way) as > the ideal in the late Victorian era! > Of course most of these are stylised, but that's the > point. Therein lies the problem with portrait paintings - they are at best someone else's interpretation of reality, and worse yet, the sitter might have requested they not paint in that double chin or hairy wart on their cheek. ;-) What you suggest is akin to what goes on today - photoshop takes care of all the model's sins, they are printed to look like reality, then sent to us to swallow whole. However within the context we are talking about, it's impossible to check for the real cellulite on their thighs. ;-) At least two of those paintings you had posted looks very much to me like girls, not women, either. The last two in particular. I would very much like to see the DOB of the sitter against the date of the painting. Also too, I think running the rest through a program that could enhance details might just show the illusion going on - a lot of shadow casting down the sides of the torso. The ideal was > this extreme shape (for various reasons of art and > fashion.) I think there is a perception thing going on too. Illusion may make it appear that they are severely tightened, however a good taylor that knows how to fool the eye can do just as much. My Venetian gown does just that. I am not even wearing a corset, yet I look like I am *and* I even look like I have a waist! A not so bad one, at that. ;-) Mostly because I have a long point at centre front and the waist at the sides have been raised 2" over my natural, further artificially drawing the eye to the centre of my body. A mix > of fact and fiction to make it sound worse than it > was. Exactly. > That she be so bombe-thin, yet she crosse like seems > four squaire" My point again about the age of the women. Most girls are twiggy and could pull off looking like they have been tight laced. Also too naturally thin women always show more extreme body shaping than better-padded ones. > It's hard to compare, but the method of optical > illusion (broader shoulders > and skirts) with fitted stays is very similar in > many periods. Carefully designed embellishment can achieve much too. Combine that with large shoulders and huge hemlines, and the waist is bound to appear small. What needs to be done but is largely impossible to do, is take a corset known to be owned by a given individual, then have that individual's remains examined, and essentially "rebuild" them virtually and see where the differences lie. This of course would be a singular example and *very* hard to take a useful sampling to prove anything either way, but it would be a benchmark. It would be a very expensive, if not very interesting experiment. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 23:37:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4bAsd028575 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:37:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4b1SV032153; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:37:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R4aVsW032270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R4aS7D022757; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0R4aMQ8022694 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56769 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 04:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 04:36:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060127043555.01dae818@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:36:00 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset Habits was: Gestational Stays Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:37:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9A36D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 04:07 27/01/2006, you wrote: >Not that I am arguing th validity of your points, I >think though some could be qualified. Both of us have >a losing battle trying to truly prove our points of >view, so take it for what it's worth. > > > With high fashion (of England France and Spain) > > there was a very definite > > tendancy to much waist reduction. > >What seems to have been forgotten in the argument is that the >overall body shape was different. If one wears a corset from a very >young age, the body shape is altered, not as drastically as might >appear, but altered. The modern body, in general, is oval in cross >section. I understand that corsetted-from-early bodies are more >round in cross section. This means that, very roughly, a modern body >shows a third of the total waist in a front view, while an >Elizabethan body, for the sake of argument, shows one quarter of the >waist measurement. This means, as I see it, that a person >automatically looks thinner at the waist. Then, as noted, full >skirts, and big shoulders increase the illusion. > >Just my 2 penn'orth. Suzi >There is no doubt that someone somewhere, and likely >quantities of them in high fashion circles got into >tight lacing in the period. Extreme body modification >is a curious human trait that transcends time. I would >hazard however that the masses were not in the habit >of tight lacing. Corsetry, at it's core purpose is to >mould the squishy bits into a pleasing shape. Some >people just take that a step further than others. > >The ideal was as > > extreme (in it's way) as > > the ideal in the late Victorian era! > > > > Of course most of these are stylised, but that's the > > point. > >Therein lies the problem with portrait paintings - >they are at best someone else's interpretation of >reality, and worse yet, the sitter might have >requested they not paint in that double chin or hairy >wart on their cheek. ;-) What you suggest is akin to >what goes on today - photoshop takes care of all the >model's sins, they are printed to look like reality, >then sent to us to swallow whole. However within the >context we are talking about, it's impossible to check >for the real cellulite on their thighs. ;-) > >At least two of those paintings you had posted looks >very much to me like girls, not women, either. The >last two in particular. I would very much like to see >the DOB of the sitter against the date of the >painting. Also too, I think running the rest through a >program that could enhance details might just show the >illusion going on - a lot of shadow casting down the >sides of the torso. > >The ideal was > > this extreme shape (for various reasons of art and > > fashion.) > >I think there is a perception thing going on too. >Illusion may make it appear that they are severely >tightened, however a good taylor that knows how to >fool the eye can do just as much. My Venetian gown >does just that. I am not even wearing a corset, yet I >look like I am *and* I even look like I have a waist! >A not so bad one, at that. ;-) Mostly because I have a >long point at centre front and the waist at the sides >have been raised 2" over my natural, further >artificially drawing the eye to the centre of my body. > > A mix > > of fact and fiction to make it sound worse than it > > was. > >Exactly. > > > That she be so bombe-thin, yet she crosse like seems > > four squaire" > >My point again about the age of the women. Most girls >are twiggy and could pull off looking like they have >been tight laced. Also too naturally thin women always >show more extreme body shaping than better-padded >ones. > > > It's hard to compare, but the method of optical > > illusion (broader shoulders > > and skirts) with fitted stays is very similar in > > many periods. > >Carefully designed embellishment can achieve much too. >Combine that with large shoulders and huge hemlines, >and the waist is bound to appear small. What needs to >be done but is largely impossible to do, is take a >corset known to be owned by a given individual, then >have that individual's remains examined, and >essentially "rebuild" them virtually and see where the >differences lie. This of course would be a singular >example and *very* hard to take a useful sampling to >prove anything either way, but it would be a >benchmark. It would be a very expensive, if not very >interesting experiment. > >Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 23:48:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4mkr2028743 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:48:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4mcV0003288; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:48:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R4mKSn033570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R4mJ2L029195; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R4mG07029104 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.139.245]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060127044810.OXKS22461.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:48:10 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c622fd$379acd00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:50:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:48:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9A626.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This past summer I finally got myself a digital camera. Not more than a month later someone helped themselves to the things in our truck, which amongst a few other items included the camera. :-P I just got the replacement for it today, and included in the package was a free site for posting pics. I don't have much that I can show, but there are a couple of pictures of two of my projects. One is my husbands early period Irish Inar, the other is a Palestinian Caftan I made from scratch. :-) The site was busy when I tried to upload all of the pictures, but there are two to start with... http://spohl.photosite.com/ Sheridan <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ...it is well known that a vital ingredient of success is not knowing that what you're attempting can't be done. Terry Pratchett (Equal Rites) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 26 23:50:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4oO7B028769 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:50:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R4oG7D027375; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:50:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R4icFo033217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R4iajL027219; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0R4iY7q027148 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 41099 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2006 04:44:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=exKBbvpvtAPmUp9POtJg4O5QYgdBWuNB3f1LlgnXAla8JANqVeebza24CZe7ROso9CUvNTL+QIxuaCbJT9ecWoO3Ulv+/RZ8I+cdjw12PHUnKXm+xAl4CmEM8PYUsl5/SsNejX+xPcmvKhhJIu7a5D7QPd/agSVHOIu2w1K62+c= ; Message-ID: <20060127044429.41097.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:44:29 EST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Gestional Stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9A688.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Is this the Lady Burghley portrait being talked about? http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Gamage,Barbara(Sidney)01.jpg Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 00:20:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R5KuQH029216 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:20:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R5KmoV013075; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:20:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R5JvfO038153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:19:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R5JsR8050957; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0R5Jna3050879 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 6110 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 21:19:46 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 6095, pid: 6096, t: 3.7635s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1239 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 21:19:42 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060126211310.024075a8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:19:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gestional Stays In-Reply-To: <20060127044429.41097.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060127044429.41097.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:20:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9ADB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 08:44 PM 1/26/2006, you wrote: >Is this the Lady Burghley portrait being talked about? > >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Gamage,Barbara(Sidney)01.jpg > >Kathy No, the portrait in question is just Lady Burghley, c. 1565. The one you linked to is Barbara Gamage, Countess of Leicester, and her children, dated 1596 (per The English Icon). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 00:56:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R5uJpb030531 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:56:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R5uB28023233; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R5tMSD043083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R5tJli074425; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R5tEAn074379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-86.sonic.net [209.148.114.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0R5tCed028148 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:55:13 -0800 Message-ID: <43D9B5C5.7000602@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:55:17 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset Habits was: Gestational Stays References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060127043555.01dae818@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060127043555.01dae818@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:56:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9B5FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I haven't followed this discussion but, if no one has mentioned this: Up into the Victorian period, one important type of body modification expected of corsets for pre-adults, including swaddling bands and childhood corsets, was to keep the person from developing skeletal deformtities, from becoming "crooked." It is true that in the 19th and I think 18th centuries there were anti-corset arguments that childhood corsets actually _made_ the body crooked. But the obsession with developing "straight" (understandable in periods where things like rickets were more common and there wasn't good medical treatment for people who were not "straight") was still there. I think modern diet (including Vitamin D pills), medical technology, and tolerance of the "handicapped" have made us lose sight of this very important function. Corsets were not all about either a tiny waist or bust support. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> What seems to have been forgotten in the argument is that the overall >> body shape was different. If one wears a corset from a very young >> age, the body shape is altered, not as drastically as might appear, >> but altered. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 04:18:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R9IKeD028599 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:18:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0R9IC3Q014613; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0R9HWKq070947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R9HSOm010250; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0R9HOVL010193 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.829543; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:17:12 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0R9HBZ00439.; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:17:11 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:17:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:16:56 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset Habits was: Gestational Stays Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0R9HOVL010193 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9E554.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca 27/01/2006 04:07 >>> wrote {snip} >.... Corsetry, at it's core purpose is to >mould the squishy bits into a pleasing shape. Some >people just take that a step further than others. >... Also too naturally thin women always >show more extreme body shaping than better-padded >ones. I'm puzzled as to what you mean by this, Kathy. Surely a thin woman has few squishy bits and so can't mould herself into a different shape? I can't change my shape with a corset except by constricting my lower ribs so that I can't breathe freely. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 05:08:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RA8sXt006977 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:08:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RA8lB4029264; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:08:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RA8SOe081955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RA8QQr040274; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RA8MKF040224 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C59E8A5008E for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:08:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c62329$9f535df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <009001c622a6$133e3fc0$925083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:08:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:08:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9F12F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kathleen, Uploaded a new picture, i am going to give it a taffeta handle in same colour as the purse itself, so that the highlight will stay at the embroidery. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm It has a gusset in the side, and gives place for many things. I think i have an interrested buyer allready. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag >I love this shape! It takes the ordinary evening to another level. > Not that your Work is just ordinary... What do you have in mind for the > handle? > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:49 AM > Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork bag > > >> >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >> >> This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 05:42:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RAgKYP015086 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RAgCs7005928; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:42:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RAfJUm093671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RAfEJD060839; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:41:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RAf9h8060798 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-61.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.61]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RAf4iW029634 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:41:07 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060127043720.01d49358@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:39:48 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays In-Reply-To: <007e01c622b3$40b40db0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> References: <20060125164237.47532.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <20060125121503.j2968utk415ww400@www.goldsword.com> <005801c621f3$114a7660$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060125165405.5nm31zrzduccwoos@www.goldsword.com> <007e01c622b3$40b40db0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:42:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43D9F904.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings, I'm pretty sure you speaking of: Hearn, Karen. Marcus Gheeraerts II: Elizabethan Artist in Focus. London: Tate Publishing, 2002. It's a small book but the exhibition itself was only one room, IIRC. Worth picking up if you can find it. cheers, Danielle At 02:01 PM 1/26/2006, you wrote: >Thanks so much. I haven't seen that one before, and, yes, it surely >does look like Eleanora. > >In 1999 I went to London with some friends. While there we attended >a Study Day at the V&A. It was originally intended to be lead by >Janet Arnold, but she had passed away the previous autumn. So it >turned into a kind of rememberance of her. > >Anyway, one of the curators from the Tate said that she was working >gathering images of pregnant ladies for (I believe) a book. I'm >pretty sure that it wasn't an exhibition. > >Has anyone heard or seen anything about this? > >Just curious. > >And thanks again, Susan. > >With regards, >kate > >PS: Does anyone know if there is a publication date for Janet >Arnold's book on underwear? That was one other thing that was >discussed that day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 06:47:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RBlhoA029788 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:47:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RBlZvW024419; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:47:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RBlBhQ006046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RBl7xP002841; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f25.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RBl34c002801 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:47:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:47:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43D980E6.3000603@msn.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wow-cool current style shoe! Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:47:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2006 11:47:03.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[63C77FB0:01C62337] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:47:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA0857.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ooohhhh! A person could do some serious stuff with those shoes! If one was still doing 18thC ;-) Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus > >*http://tinyurl.com/84juu* >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 07:53:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RCrHZG004381 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:53:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RCr9aL016112; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:53:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RCqeVH014926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:52:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RCqarE049612; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RCqXgd049498 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:52:27 -0800 Message-ID: <43DA1791.2050206@msn.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:52:33 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell References: <005701c622fd$379acd00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <005701c622fd$379acd00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2006 12:52:27.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[872D9B70:01C62340] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA17B5.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Very nice...can't wait to see the others. Can you show more pictures of the ones already shown...I'd like to see some other views of both... Sg Shane & Sheridan wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 07:56:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RCuUbX004455 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:56:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RCuNk8017301; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:56:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RCu0TJ015362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:56:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RCu1sS052387; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:56:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RCtvUc052287 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:55:52 -0800 Message-ID: <43DA185D.50703@msn.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:55:57 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag References: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <009001c622a6$133e3fc0$925083d1@rmitchellras> <000601c62329$9f535df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000601c62329$9f535df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2006 12:55:52.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[00FA7C20:01C62341] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:56:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA1877.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I was just about to ask....when are you going to offer some of these up for sale? That is your intention right? I think I remember you saying you were trying to do some smaller items for sale....I assume we can commission you for something special as well? Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I think i have an interrested buyer allready. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 08:18:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RDIA7V004956 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:18:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RDI3BB025677; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RDHVDe018222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RDHT4x069767; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RDHQUX069719 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 695EF47FEB1 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:17:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c62344$02b39670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c62266$44d97b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <009001c622a6$133e3fc0$925083d1@rmitchellras><000601c62329$9f535df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:17:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:18:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA1D8B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Yes, everything you like, i am at your disposal, and cheap two, promise. Wont receive money cash, but silk threads. oh yes! Just make your choise, and ill do it, and in turn, requires Eterna Stranded Silk Floss in return, ill deside the colors. Aprons, pockets, stomachers, mittens, bags, purses, gamepurses two----- ribbons by the meter, ANYTHING................. Love Eterna Stranded............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag >I was just about to ask....when are you going to offer some of these up for >sale? That is your intention right? I think I remember you saying you >were trying to do some smaller items for sale....I assume we can commission >you for something special as well? > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> >> I think i have an interrested buyer allready. >> >> Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 08:25:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RDPU6n005099 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:25:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RDPMcL028990; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RDOTaF019009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RDOS5X074496; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RDOO4L074411 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF010320; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:24:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 27 Jan 2006 08:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c62345$33942420$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060127043555.01dae818@127.0.0.1> <43D9B5C5.7000602@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset Habits was: Gestational Stays Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:25:49 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA1F42.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Such a good point, Fran. Besides the issue of body control as a fashion issue, this matter of deformity must certainly weighed heavily in the matter of corsetry in general. I am just remembering that when I had my first child, my mother-in-law asked me on the QT if I had made arrangements for a post-partum girdle. I had no idea what she was talking about. She also was a nurse, and after birthing 6 children, she was convinced that my body would never support the abdomen without a proper foundation garment. I should plan for the future. I have had the opportunity to observe close on the difference between a girdle and a foundation garment. Have also seen the "Mother of them all" garment to be worn in pregnancy. Awesome! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset Habits was: Gestational Stays > I haven't followed this discussion but, if no one has mentioned this: > > Up into the Victorian period, one important type of body modification > expected of corsets for pre-adults, including swaddling bands and > childhood corsets, was to keep the person from developing skeletal > deformtities, from becoming "crooked." It is true that in the 19th and > I think 18th centuries there were anti-corset arguments that childhood > corsets actually _made_ the body crooked. But the obsession with > developing "straight" (understandable in periods where things like > rickets were more common and there wasn't good medical treatment for > people who were not "straight") was still there. I think modern diet > (including Vitamin D pills), medical technology, and tolerance of the > "handicapped" have made us lose sight of this very important function. > Corsets were not all about either a tiny waist or bust support. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > >> > >> What seems to have been forgotten in the argument is that the overall > >> body shape was different. If one wears a corset from a very young > >> age, the body shape is altered, not as drastically as might appear, > >> but altered. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 09:28:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RESqIc006502 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:28:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RESgJY025258; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RERaCb028051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RERVWD022705; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RERSfb022597 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:27:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.103.703e6c88 (15875) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343da2dc4156; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:27:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <005701c622fd$379acd00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: <005701c622fd$379acd00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Message-Id: <382a7714cab402c28cd562d66f29d424@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:27:15 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:28:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA2E1A.011 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! WOW- You should certainly be proud of your projects! Thanks for sharing. I love seeing other people's work, anything from simple "how to's" to the finish items. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. On Jan 26, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > This past summer I finally got myself a digital camera. Not more than a > month later someone helped themselves to the things in our truck, which > amongst a few other items included the camera. :-P > > I just got the replacement for it today, and included in the package > was a > free site for posting pics. I don't have much that I can show, but > there are > a couple of pictures of two of my projects. One is my husbands early > period > Irish Inar, the other is a Palestinian Caftan I made from scratch. :-) > The > site was busy when I tried to upload all of the pictures, but there > are two > to start with... > > http://spohl.photosite.com/ > > Sheridan > > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > ...it is well known that a vital ingredient of success is not knowing > that > what you're attempting can't be done. > > Terry Pratchett (Equal Rites) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 09:30:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0REUU0c006548 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:30:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0REUNu9018604; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:30:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RETDam028426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RETDpg024048; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.222]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0RETAdU023944 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38766 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2006 14:29:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vwsLuH5nnsWifOK+Fgw+NBGVvfsS+5zoFqB1m0aDQYWYV0q0/GptfgEOhimBeyjAoslBh/GnjF0rmGXcfQHISHFEv6Se2dmxVwSfVD5lE7buqAxlG/SbXFOjpw031FH5nBWQw6O9bPylH9EBIPYEnwwMooNJ9ynNBCtJdu9bEo8= ; Message-ID: <20060127142904.38764.qmail@web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:29:04 PST Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:29:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601262240.k0QMe4eN050643@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Bjarne's bags X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:30:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA2E7F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This last beag is (to me) the best one yet. It's hard to imagine, cause you stuff is SOO SO good, but you just keep improving!!! Send a picture of this one to that silk place, enter their contest. This is a lot better than some of the things that have won in past years, and such a wonderful exhibition of their product (and your skill and talent.) Your e-friend on the other side of the world, glad to know you and see your work Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 09:41:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0REfVSb006766 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0REfO9c031233; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0REeIG1030255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:40:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0REeGQM032811; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0REeCgg032761 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CBDE947FEEA for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:40:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c6234f$97e95e40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060127142904.38764.qmail@web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Bjarne's bags Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:40:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA3114.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Mia, I could not do this, as this is not my own design. The stumpwork flowers are made after a design by Helan Pierce, and the bag after a design from Linda Tudor. Even i did combine the embroidery to another design by another, i could not commision this as my work. But one day i shall........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re:Bjarne's bags > This last beag is (to me) the best one yet. It's hard to imagine, cause > you stuff is SOO SO good, but you just keep improving!!! > > Send a picture of this one to that silk place, enter their contest. This > is a lot better than some of the things that have won in past years, and > such a wonderful exhibition of their product (and your skill and talent.) > > Your e-friend on the other side of the world, glad to know you and see > your work > Mia in Charlotte, NC > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on > new and used cars. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 09:52:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0REq15F007032 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:52:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0REprNh003109; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:51:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0REkJDV031323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:46:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0REkIrc037047; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:46:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0REkEA2036970 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter18.comcast.net ([204.127.197.128]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060127144608m14001t2see>; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:46:08 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter18.comcast.net; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:46:07 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:46:07 +0000 Message-Id: <012720061446.7577.43DA322F00031E9A00001D9922070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:51:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA3389.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello! Goodness! I *LOVE* the gusset bag!. I'm wondering if these could also be used modernly? And how much for one? in US Dollars? Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi Kathleen, > Uploaded a new picture, i am going to give it a taffeta handle in same > colour as the purse itself, so that the highlight will stay at the > embroidery. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > It has a gusset in the side, and gives place for many things. > I think i have an interrested buyer allready. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag > > > >I love this shape! It takes the ordinary evening to another level. > > Not that your Work is just ordinary... What do you have in mind for the > > handle? > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:49 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork bag > > > > > >> > >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > >> > >> This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. > >> > >> Bjarne > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leif og Bjarne Drews > >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >> > >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 10:01:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RF12Ui007193 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:01:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RF0swb007026; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:00:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RF0MGK033559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RF0GmL049126; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RExwGH048756 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:00:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B19E337C5 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:59:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:59:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <012720061446.7577.43DA322F00031E9A00001D9922070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:00:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA35A6.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How about using it as an evening bag, or wedding purse? Spring luncheon with a matching hat band? De -----Original Message----- I'm wondering if these could also be used modernly? Elena/Gia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 10:16:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFGX0V007576 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:16:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFGPj7014001; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:16:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RFE8wQ035952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFE4Zg061510; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFDxSC061442 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A766A5007A for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:13:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c62354$51a01af0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012720061446.7577.43DA322F00031E9A00001D9922070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:14:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA3949.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I just sold it for 100 dollars. :-) Bjarne Wich compared to working hours is nothing. But i love to get rhid of my things when done, because i have nothing to use them for, besides i get more scilled and want to move on to other projeksts, after finnishing things. Next projekt is a medieval belt pouch, a commision with 3 embroidered lions on, in silver Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag > Hello! Goodness! I *LOVE* the gusset bag!. I'm wondering if these could > also be used modernly? > > And how much for one? in US Dollars? > > Elena/Gia > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >> Hi Kathleen, >> Uploaded a new picture, i am going to give it a taffeta handle in same >> colour as the purse itself, so that the highlight will stay at the >> embroidery. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >> It has a gusset in the side, and gives place for many things. >> I think i have an interrested buyer allready. >> >> Bjarne >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag >> >> >> >I love this shape! It takes the ordinary evening to another level. >> > Not that your Work is just ordinary... What do you have in mind for the >> > handle? >> > Kathleen >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:49 AM >> > Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork bag >> > >> > >> >> >> >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >> >> >> >> This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. >> >> >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 10:18:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFI7na007620 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:18:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFI0J7007117; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:18:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RFG1F2036224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:16:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFG1kd063364; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts46.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.190]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFFsKR063257 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from [209.226.175.82] ([209.226.175.203]) by tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060127151553.SQKR1595.tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.82]> for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:15:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060127151553.SQKR1595.tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.82]> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:18:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA39A8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks! Although after a couple of years of seeing such fantastic work from the folks on this list, it's made me pretty shy about posting my own. :-) I do have other shots of these garments, the picture site was being stubborn about uploading them, I kept getting a 'busy' message. When I get back from Toronto on Sunday, I'll try to get the rest of them up. Sheridan > > From: WickedFrau > Date: 2006/01/27 Fri AM 07:52:33 EST > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell > > Very nice...can't wait to see the others. Can you show more pictures of > the ones already shown...I'd like to see some other views of both... > > Sg > Shane & Sheridan wrote: > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 10:27:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFRC1V007783 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:27:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFR5jQ019654; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:27:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RFQTKf038204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFQQd7075644; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.190]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFQK5p075483 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from [209.226.175.82] ([209.226.175.203]) by tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060127152617.SRVB1595.tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.82]> for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:26:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:26:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060127152617.SRVB1595.tomts46-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.82]> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:27:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA3BC9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks, its really nice to get feedback from people other than my spouse. :-) I'm definitely *not* what you would call a speedy worker, the caftan is still ongoing, I've been puttering away at it for the better part of 5 years. (I get easily distracted :-) )The coat is almost done, hubby has been pestering me for it for a couple of years, there's just a bit of fingerlooped trim to go on the raw edges. Sheridan > > From: Susan Data-Samtak > Date: 2006/01/27 Fri AM 09:27:15 EST > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell > > WOW- You should certainly be proud of your projects! > > Thanks for sharing. > > I love seeing other people's work, anything from simple "how to's" to > the finish items. > > Susan > > "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" > Carol H. > > On Jan 26, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > > > This past summer I finally got myself a digital camera. Not more than a > > month later someone helped themselves to the things in our truck, which > > amongst a few other items included the camera. :-P > > > > I just got the replacement for it today, and included in the package > > was a > > free site for posting pics. I don't have much that I can show, but > > there are > > a couple of pictures of two of my projects. One is my husbands early > > period > > Irish Inar, the other is a Palestinian Caftan I made from scratch. :-) > > The > > site was busy when I tried to upload all of the pictures, but there > > are two > > to start with... > > > > http://spohl.photosite.com/ > > > > Sheridan > > > > > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > > ...it is well known that a vital ingredient of success is not knowing > > that > > what you're attempting can't be done. > > > > Terry Pratchett (Equal Rites) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 10:35:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFZdap007977 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RFZVBe024019; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RFZ2eo039294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFYr3n083590; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RFYlL7083408 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0RFYeK13341.; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:34:40 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:34:40 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:34:24 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Pictures - Show and Tell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0RFYlL7083408 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA3DC3.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Don't be shy! The caftan with its vibrant colours is lovely. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca 27/01/2006 15:15 >>> Thanks! Although after a couple of years of seeing such fantastic work from the folks on this list, it's made me pretty shy about posting my own. :-) I do have other shots of these garments, the picture site was being stubborn about uploading them, I kept getting a 'busy' message. When I get back from Toronto on Sunday, I'll try to get the rest of them up. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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Hello all, I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or another whenever I visit London. So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly "authentic" costuming? Many thanks! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 11:43:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RGhuiH009465 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RGhmRx016477; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RGfgxY050855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RGfZN4046592; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RGfS98046479 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so652223wra for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dtfqhE5tZyPKjn5eqwYvPkeEF4k08qjIHf0Fnl/DKmKENhTjLT35kiWHkxIg0PXZBg2cejg297xFjkxihiH8R1YvrBy3DmgmfJT886OCDSYdMoMsDLAaQhUBvYtkQCFLpiCW3CPO+fTdtiSltlS3hHcDQu88nG0vvX8zs+5fZlA= Received: by 10.54.116.15 with SMTP id o15mr2210670wrc; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.7 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:41:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070601270841o2218bbc7pa09c10fdae660685@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:41:27 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions In-Reply-To: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0RGfS98046479 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA4DC4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour from London by train. http://www.legoland.co.uk Katy On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: > Hello all, > > I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about > London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids > in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is > keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after > museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in > anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are > any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose > is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or > another whenever I visit London. > > So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active > athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? > > To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- > enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly > "authentic" costuming? > > Many thanks! > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have > company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into > anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the > reasons behind things." > William of Conches, 12th century > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 11:43:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RGhur8009464 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RGhmvq025019; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RGhB9P051175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RGhAuV048191; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RGh7be048129 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AE2C147FEB6 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:43:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c62360$c374c480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:43:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA4DC4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Off cause there is my dear! http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/ Bjarne who not are english, but danish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > Hello all, > > I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about > London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids > in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is > keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after > museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in > anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are > any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose > is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or > another whenever I visit London. > > So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active > athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? > > To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- > enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly > "authentic" costuming? > > Many thanks! > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have > company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into > anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the > reasons behind things." > William of Conches, 12th century > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 11:50:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RGoCF1009625 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:50:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RGo47w027967; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:50:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RGnc8H052577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:49:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RGnYDR053947; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:49:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RGnQqm053773 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5307A47FEFA for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:49:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002f01c62361$a4cc9a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com> <3586f5070601270841o2218bbc7pa09c10fdae660685@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:49:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:50:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA4F3C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi I just read in my local train paper today that Legoland is going to sell their esxuisite collection of rare toys on an auktion in USA I Just want to say that if any of you Trace this auction, be very carefull because they have a very rare Renaissance Fashion Doll wich first time i saw it made me shimmer all way, because it is so beautifull and exquisite in design. Never have i seen any finer, and besides i dont think it is aware of all europe nor anything other country, i dont think they are aware about how priceless it is? Dont know! But in case you will bump into it! Bjarne --- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour from > London by train. > > http://www.legoland.co.uk > > Katy > > On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about >> London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids >> in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is >> keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after >> museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in >> anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are >> any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose >> is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or >> another whenever I visit London. >> >> So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active >> athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? >> >> To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- >> enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly >> "authentic" costuming? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Althea Turner >> althea@alfalfapress.com >> >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have >> company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into >> anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the >> reasons behind things." >> William of Conches, 12th century >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHBbrD010197 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:11:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHBTLi005785; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:11:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RHAj1v057898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHAgQK073817; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHAWg9073666 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:10:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so658792wra for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b8MZobLS0itRjd9ZFnHQdNFXb4e7Koo2+/B1IP5AhDP33RD3MRV8AtNIXDiQOH/fMayCqhJPvROnw9pc2DRT50TI5VHLcs84x4mC5QQ+v42wC6QAGgSbUtTKu4XxwGGYWxyquuIiArsuwAfG4fY6U5LbhqmpjaWFL6t54QJtkno= Received: by 10.54.115.13 with SMTP id n13mr4068471wrc; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.7 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070601270910y7318a73fg7c99c687943b2ef3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:10:31 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions In-Reply-To: <002f01c62361$a4cc9a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com> <3586f5070601270841o2218bbc7pa09c10fdae660685@mail.gmail.com> <002f01c62361$a4cc9a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0RHAWg9073666 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA5441.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I did a google search on the Lego toy auction, and found this article, the auction will be May 19-21 in Las Vegas. http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2006/01/16/daily7.html Katy On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > > I just read in my local train paper today that Legoland is going to sell > their esxuisite collection of rare toys on an auktion in USA > I Just want to say that if any of you Trace this auction, be very carefull > because they have a very rare Renaissance Fashion Doll wich first time i saw > it made me shimmer all way, because it is so beautifull and exquisite in > design. > Never have i seen any finer, and besides i dont think it is aware of all > europe nor anything other country, i dont think they are aware about how > priceless it is? > Dont know! > But in case you will bump into it! > > > Bjarne > --- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Bishop" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > > > > Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour from > > London by train. > > > > http://www.legoland.co.uk > > > > Katy > > > > On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about > >> London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids > >> in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is > >> keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after > >> museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in > >> anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are > >> any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose > >> is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or > >> another whenever I visit London. > >> > >> So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active > >> athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? > >> > >> To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- > >> enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly > >> "authentic" costuming? > >> > >> Many thanks! > >> > >> Althea Turner > >> althea@alfalfapress.com > >> > >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have > >> company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into > >> anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the > >> reasons behind things." > >> William of Conches, 12th century > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > -- > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 12:21:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHLnP0010455 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:21:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHLgcx010389; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:21:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RHEg5i058632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHEf5P077639; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHEZQV077534 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A11BE47FE46 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:14:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c62365$2aba9da0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com><3586f5070601270841o2218bbc7pa09c10fdae660685@mail.gmail.com><002f01c62361$a4cc9a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3586f5070601270910y7318a73fg7c99c687943b2ef3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:14:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:21:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA56A6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Gosh, you are quick Kathy. I hope that the danish government will keep this rare doll from auktion. It really is unique. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >I did a google search on the Lego toy auction, and found this article, > the auction will be May 19-21 in Las Vegas. > > http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2006/01/16/daily7.html > > Katy > > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Hi >> >> I just read in my local train paper today that Legoland is going to sell >> their esxuisite collection of rare toys on an auktion in USA >> I Just want to say that if any of you Trace this auction, be very >> carefull >> because they have a very rare Renaissance Fashion Doll wich first time i >> saw >> it made me shimmer all way, because it is so beautifull and exquisite in >> design. >> Never have i seen any finer, and besides i dont think it is aware of all >> europe nor anything other country, i dont think they are aware about how >> priceless it is? >> Dont know! >> But in case you will bump into it! >> >> >> Bjarne >> --- Original Message ----- >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >> >> >> > Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour from >> > London by train. >> > >> > http://www.legoland.co.uk >> > >> > Katy >> > >> > On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about >> >> London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids >> >> in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is >> >> keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after >> >> museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in >> >> anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are >> >> any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose >> >> is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or >> >> another whenever I visit London. >> >> >> >> So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active >> >> athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? >> >> >> >> To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- >> >> enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly >> >> "authentic" costuming? >> >> >> >> Many thanks! >> >> >> >> Althea Turner >> >> althea@alfalfapress.com >> >> >> >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have >> >> company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into >> >> anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the >> >> reasons behind things." >> >> William of Conches, 12th century >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 12:25:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHPqMB010560 for ; 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Google is great when it works. It would be a shame to see it disappear into a private collection. I have heard that the Lego company has been having financial troubles lately. Katy On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Gosh, you are quick Kathy. > I hope that the danish government will keep this rare doll from auktion. > It really is unique. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Bishop" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > > > >I did a google search on the Lego toy auction, and found this article, > > the auction will be May 19-21 in Las Vegas. > > > > http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2006/01/16/daily7.html > > > > Katy > > > > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I just read in my local train paper today that Legoland is going to sell > >> their esxuisite collection of rare toys on an auktion in USA > >> I Just want to say that if any of you Trace this auction, be very > >> carefull > >> because they have a very rare Renaissance Fashion Doll wich first time i > >> saw > >> it made me shimmer all way, because it is so beautifull and exquisite in > >> design. > >> Never have i seen any finer, and besides i dont think it is aware of all > >> europe nor anything other country, i dont think they are aware about how > >> priceless it is? > >> Dont know! > >> But in case you will bump into it! > >> > >> > >> Bjarne > >> --- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Katy Bishop" > >> To: "Historical Costume" > >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM > >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > >> > >> > >> > Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour from > >> > London by train. > >> > > >> > http://www.legoland.co.uk > >> > > >> > Katy > >> > > >> > On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: > >> >> Hello all, > >> >> > >> >> I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about > >> >> London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids > >> >> in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is > >> >> keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after > >> >> museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in > >> >> anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are > >> >> any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose > >> >> is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or > >> >> another whenever I visit London. > >> >> > >> >> So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active > >> >> athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? > >> >> > >> >> To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- > >> >> enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly > >> >> "authentic" costuming? > >> >> > >> >> Many thanks! > >> >> > >> >> Althea Turner > >> >> althea@alfalfapress.com > >> >> > >> >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have > >> >> company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into > >> >> anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the > >> >> reasons behind things." > >> >> William of Conches, 12th century > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> h-costume mailing list > >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > h-costume mailing list > >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > -- > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 12:31:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHV64r010726 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:31:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHUwSr014357; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:31:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RHTTaV061264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHTQs3092173; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHTKtX092056 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A771A50051 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:29:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:29:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] prices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:31:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA58D2.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Just curious, I know that things are cheap in america, but also wages are cheap Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay almost 45% from our income. This makes everything expenive Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? Globalisations is catching up on us. God or bad? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 12:49:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHmvH2011139 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:48:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RHmoU8022006; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:48:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RHgafA063913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:42:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHgTHi007057; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHgPfn006958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-179.sonic.net [209.148.114.179]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0RHgMas013112 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: <43DA5B82.1030605@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:42:26 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices References: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:48:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA5D02.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Basically, the bag is worth whatever people are willing to pay you for it. Also, you can sometimes make more money selling to fewer people at a higher price, than you can to more people at a lower price. I'd certainly recommend that strategy for one-of-a-kind handmade items. Presumably you don't have time to make all that many, and consequently don't need a huge number of customers. If these are made by US residents and for sale rather than as homemade gifts, they are usually very expensive. You need to find the segment of the market that will pay what you charge--anyone who wants items priced like India imports is not your maket--and concentrate on that. I don't know what your bag looks like, but I personally would not expect to pay _less_ than $100 for a hand-embroidered item that is not a cheap import. Note that hobbyist costumers fall into two categories--the kind who will spend almost all their spare cash on their hobby, and the kind who want or need to do everything at the lowest possible price. You want to target the first category. Fran Lavolta Press http://www/lavoltapress.com Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > Just curious, > I know that things are cheap in america, but also wages are cheap > Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay almost 45% from our > income. > This makes everything expenive > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > Globalisations is catching up on us. > God or bad? > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 13:01:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RI1tkT011433 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:01:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RI1mWV027871; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:01:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RI1Jtj067033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RI1BA0027070; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RI13GU026954 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AED138502F6; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:56:33 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:01:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c6236b$a3a83320$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000601c62329$9f535df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag Hi Kathleen, Uploaded a new picture, i am going to give it a taffeta handle in same colour as the purse itself, so that the highlight will stay at the embroidery. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm It has a gusset in the side, and gives place for many things. I think i have an interrested buyer allready. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag >I love this shape! It takes the ordinary evening to another level. Not >that your Work is just ordinary... What do you have in mind for the >handle? Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:49 AM > Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork bag > > >> >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >> >> This is the gusset bag finished. Except i need to make the handle. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 13:41:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RIfxeE012437 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:41:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RIfqFb013773; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:41:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RIaF1u073085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:36:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RIa46q062034; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0RIZsnN061775 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 72750 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2006 18:35:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GraYNJKjrxM08ag56Do+ZZj2UJO9qBVPkUJxFTepfSJ3K19AYdUVaY3c4zx//2tOJIlBZmRE1pPo8S69wzM1go1xCkHJJylNHYITs+P1Wkmww8kVsU52JoZ0GMxcYRDb/Q12doh+HBmZj1QNdTBdZmJ3Qx/N5ueDLFUexeH5t2I= ; Message-ID: <20060127183547.72748.qmail@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:47 PST Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:47 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:41:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA6970.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have found that when you bill things as one of a kind, handcrafted, or any other term that sets it apart, you can get much higher prices for it. Personally, having seen the pictures you posted, I would charge $300-$400 for the bag. The workmanship looks excellent, the materials are expensive and it would be hard to match. Plus, you should be rewarded for your time and skill. While we may have a glut of cheap, factory made items - handcrafted items are much prized. I can't tell you how many of my clients are amazed at the simple skill to hem a skirt, let alone make a dress from scratch. They pay me for my time and skill. --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > Just curious, > I know that things are cheap in america, but also > wages are cheap > Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay > almost 45% from our income. > This makes everything expenive > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or > expensive? > Globalisations is catching up on us. > God or bad? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 13:48:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RIm8fG012550 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:48:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RIm11W016401; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:48:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RIlXBr074846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RIlTZk073369; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:47:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0RIlQrU073248 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:47:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 49592 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2006 18:47:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nh29u5bv8VuamNBb7VgXZp/zlRFdSf9nIhOFBAI9pAaB3XmxGEOfhi6ypqunifE07ohcVgfAG4vHuQnCW+aDK7qNpayhx8peRYYxL0cF2gSG/SgqnXCzKGx2xDTSMTV8sjyby8Z4kev2UIkOoLW3BPj7RR0asOzOHKpA3XSyiSU= ; Message-ID: <20060127184720.49590.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:47:20 EST Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:47:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601271427.k0RERZa5022755@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:48:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA6AE1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Perhaps a personal perception thing. I find that when a larger woman wears a corset, there really isn't a major change in her shape- it's just smoother. A smaller woman, because she does have less stuff to squish, will see more dramatic response to the compression. Add to that a bumroll on a small woman and the difference becomes even more pronounced, whereas a larger woman likely won't need one at all; the corset will have pinched just enough that her hips will have popped out all by themselves. Kathy > I'm puzzled as to what you mean by this, Kathy. > Surely a thin woman has few squishy bits and so > can't mould herself into a different shape? I can't > change my shape with a corset except by constricting > my lower ribs so that I can't breathe freely. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 14:08:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJ8hwV012940 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:08:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJ8Xb1025971; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RJ801X078278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:08:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RJ7HH6093078; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:07:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0RJ6x54092710 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 4521 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 11:06:46 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4514, pid: 4516, t: 0.8877s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1239 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 11:06:45 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060127110053.0234cab0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:06:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. 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At 10:47 AM 1/27/2006, you wrote: >Perhaps a personal perception thing. > >I find that when a larger woman wears a corset, there >really isn't a major change in her shape- it's just >smoother. A smaller woman, because she does have less >stuff to squish, will see more dramatic response to >the compression. Add to that a bumroll on a small >woman and the difference becomes even more pronounced, >whereas a larger woman likely won't need one at all; >the corset will have pinched just enough that her hips >will have popped out all by themselves. > >Kathy >[snip] I am one of those "larger" women and my tailor has remarked that I am fairly "squishy" in the torso when being fitted for a corset. Turns out that I have a fairly small backside and not much in the hips, so I don't have anything to "pop out" for a bumroll shape. I would guess that the way you are shaped by a corset is very individual and depends upon your natural shape (and how the corset is designed and fitted). But we can all look great in our gowns. Aren't optical illusions wonderful? :-D Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 14:18:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJIKNV013205 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:18:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJICWf030938; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RJHOEl080221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RJHKxX003418; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHMpDG085335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F2WZT-0000p9-Cf; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:35 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:35 -0600 Message-ID: <20060127103535.vs9s3qhl6yo044ok@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:35:35 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Hi, > Yes, everything you like, i am at your disposal, and cheap two, promise. > Wont receive money cash, but silk threads. oh yes! > Just make your choise, and ill do it, and in turn, requires Eterna > Stranded Silk Floss in return, ill deside the colors. > Aprons, pockets, stomachers, mittens, bags, purses, gamepurses > two----- ribbons by the meter, ANYTHING................. > Love Eterna Stranded............... Hmmm, Bjarne, you need a new sigline ... Bjarne, will work for *floss* :-) tempting, **very** tempting! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 14:19:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJJOYF013221 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:19:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJJHHM024074; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:19:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RJHhTH080272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RJHcot003714; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHXn3T097264 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5582.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.130]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F6B6262828 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:33:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c62367$ddcc5f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com><3586f5070601270841o2218bbc7pa09c10fdae660685@mail.gmail.com><002f01c62361$a4cc9a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><3586f5070601270910y7318a73fg7c99c687943b2ef3@mail.gmail.com><000c01c62365$2aba9da0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3586f5070601270923r36c2f6b0sce444feaaa7d66fd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:34:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:19:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA7235.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes really big troubbles, Kids dont want to play with brigs anymore, they want to play on computers. Company didnt realise this and almost broke now! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > Google is great when it works. It would be a shame to see it > disappear into a private collection. I have heard that the Lego > company has been having financial troubles lately. > > Katy > > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Gosh, you are quick Kathy. >> I hope that the danish government will keep this rare doll from auktion. >> It really is unique. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >> >> >> >I did a google search on the Lego toy auction, and found this article, >> > the auction will be May 19-21 in Las Vegas. >> > >> > http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2006/01/16/daily7.html >> > >> > Katy >> > >> > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> I just read in my local train paper today that Legoland is going to >> >> sell >> >> their esxuisite collection of rare toys on an auktion in USA >> >> I Just want to say that if any of you Trace this auction, be very >> >> carefull >> >> because they have a very rare Renaissance Fashion Doll wich first time >> >> i >> >> saw >> >> it made me shimmer all way, because it is so beautifull and exquisite >> >> in >> >> design. >> >> Never have i seen any finer, and besides i dont think it is aware of >> >> all >> >> europe nor anything other country, i dont think they are aware about >> >> how >> >> priceless it is? >> >> Dont know! >> >> But in case you will bump into it! >> >> >> >> >> >> Bjarne >> >> --- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> >> To: "Historical Costume" >> >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >> >> >> >> >> >> > Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour from >> >> > London by train. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.legoland.co.uk >> >> > >> >> > Katy >> >> > >> >> > On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> >> >> I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and >> >> >> about >> >> >> London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two >> >> >> kids >> >> >> in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who >> >> >> is >> >> >> keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum >> >> >> after >> >> >> museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* >> >> >> in >> >> >> anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there >> >> >> are >> >> >> any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose >> >> >> is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or >> >> >> another whenever I visit London. >> >> >> >> >> >> So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active >> >> >> athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? >> >> >> >> >> >> To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- >> >> >> enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly >> >> >> "authentic" costuming? >> >> >> >> >> >> Many thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> Althea Turner >> >> >> althea@alfalfapress.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have >> >> >> company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into >> >> >> anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the >> >> >> reasons behind things." >> >> >> William of Conches, 12th century >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > h-costume mailing list >> >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 14:23:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJN86G013314 for ; 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I consider any thing hand made to be good value. $100 does not sound expensive for the detail and work you put into the items you make. If it took only 10 minutes to make, then I might think the price high. But as a handcrafter, this took more than a few hours to make. With your expertise in cosutming, then it a cheap price. I don't spend $1100 on any purse but I would consider this or similar items to be at treasure and I'd be proud to have one. Thank you for sharing your work. It makes me want to do embroidry again. It would have to be put on my long to -do list of things I meant to get to one day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] prices > Hi > Just curious, > I know that things are cheap in america, but also wages are cheap > Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay almost 45% from our > income. > This makes everything expenive > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > Globalisations is catching up on us. > God or bad? > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 14:29:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJTB5x013444 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:29:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJT32h003922; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:29:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RJIcB2080472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:18:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RJIUXU004643; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RHkllv011663 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 864607152 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:46:44 -0600 Message-ID: <01ba01c62369$a5147f40$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:46:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:29:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA7480.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? I guess it's all relative. I would not spend $100 on a bag because it's not something I can afford right now. However, for someone who regularly spends more money on things like this (custom-made clothing or designer-name pieces) it would be considered cheap. In the grand scheme of things, $100 is not a huge amount of money (dinner for 4 with drinks at a nice place would cost this much) but for the skill and beauty of the items you make, it's pennies! I think many people would not blink if it were twice that price. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 14:32:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJWPU9013505 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:32:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJWHkf005659; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:32:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RJVYkc083083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RJVTKc018428; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:31:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RIqFNf077796 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:52:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F2Yhi-0003wL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: <19454498.1138387934880.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:52:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA7541.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, I agree with Fran. This is beautifully conceived and beautifully executed work on a piece of usable art. While as a "shopper" I might wish for a lower price, as a serious purchaser I would expect to pay well over $100 for such an item. You don't want to underprice your artistry OR your labor. Of course there's nothing to prevent you from once in awhile adjusting a price for a special customer or for a particular market. But if you're going to make these to sell, price them according to their value in your eyes. As Fran says, purchasers in the group you've identified as your target will really determine their market value. I myself will start putting money aside to one day buy one of these! --Ruth Anne Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Lavolta Press >Sent: Jan 27, 2006 12:42 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices > >Basically, the bag is worth whatever people are willing to pay you for >it. Also, you can sometimes make more money selling to fewer people at >a higher price, than you can to more people at a lower price. I'd >certainly recommend that strategy for one-of-a-kind handmade items. >Presumably you don't have time to make all that many, and consequently >don't need a huge number of customers. If these are made by US >residents and for sale rather than as homemade gifts, they are usually >very expensive. > >You need to find the segment of the market that will pay what you >charge--anyone who wants items priced like India imports is not your >maket--and concentrate on that. > >I don't know what your bag looks like, but I personally would not expect >to pay _less_ than $100 for a hand-embroidered item that is not a cheap >import. > >Note that hobbyist costumers fall into two categories--the kind who will >spend almost all their spare cash on their hobby, and the kind who want >or need to do everything at the lowest possible price. You want to >target the first category. > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www/lavoltapress.com > >Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi >> Just curious, >> I know that things are cheap in america, but also wages are cheap >> Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay almost 45% from our >> income. >> This makes everything expenive >> Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? >> Globalisations is catching up on us. >> God or bad? >> >> Bjarne >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 14:48:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJmioR013871 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:48:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RJmbeH013477; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:48:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RJl9nA086993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:47:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RJl3XI034601; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RJkvip034401 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.222]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060127194650.KWUE8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:46:50 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060127130837.028130a0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:46:47 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200601271801.k0RI1Bss027072@net.indra.com> References: <200601271801.k0RI1Bss027072@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-cost] prices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:48:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA7915.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, A superior mass produced leather purse would cost you $100 on up here. Something of made with the quality of materials and your level of craftsmanship should sell for that easily in the right market. If I had the need (and the budget), I would not hesitate to buy for an instant. Now if you were doing Medieval to Renaissance... I think that our tax structure is a bit more complicated than yours... We pay City, County, State and Federal sales (ad valorum) taxes and obligatory fees (some fixed, others variable in amount). These vary widely depending on the type of item and location. The itemized taxes and government fees on my phone bill alone total about 33% added to the service. Then there is personal property taxes and taxes on estimated land value (each for city, county, state and school school). Then there are income taxes which are confusing by themselves... and Social Security taxes. On top of this are hidden (from the consumer) taxes on production that are passed on by the manufacturer or provider of service to the consumer. I don't think anyone in the USA can tell you how much taxes they actually pay! And I live in what is considered a poor, rural State called Arkansas... Beth At 12:01 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:29:34 +0100 >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >Hi >Just curious, >I know that things are cheap in america, but also wages are cheap >Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay almost 45% from our income. >This makes everything expenive >Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? >Globalisations is catching up on us. >God or bad? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 15:16:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RKGk94014458 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:16:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RKGcxN025660; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:16:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RK8Y8M090783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RK8ThE055600; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RK8PM0055542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-61.sonic.net [209.148.113.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0RK8MaU011024 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:08:25 -0800 Message-ID: <43DA7DBA.3040604@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:08:26 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-cost] prices References: <200601271801.k0RI1Bss027072@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060127130837.028130a0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060127130837.028130a0@mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:16:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA7FA6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! There are "designer" leather purses that sell for $700 and up. And one of the things their manufacturers are selling is "uniqueness." They're not one of a kind, but most people don't have them. As for US taxes--Don't forget capital gains. Income tax includes more than salary income. If you buy something like corporate stock or real estate at a lower price,and then sell it at a higher price, the government gets a big chunk of the profit. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Bjarne, > > A superior mass produced leather purse would cost you $100 on up > here. Something of made with the quality of materials and your level > of craftsmanship should sell for that easily in the right market. If I > had the need (and the budget), I would not hesitate to buy for an > instant. > > Now if you were doing Medieval to Renaissance... > > I think that our tax structure is a bit more complicated than yours... > We pay City, County, State and Federal sales (ad valorum) taxes and > obligatory fees (some fixed, others variable in amount). These vary > widely depending on the type of item and location. > > Beth > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 15:30:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RKUbiY014835 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:30:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RKUUlT031589; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:30:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RKTX0T093753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:29:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RKTS0c073371; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:29:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RKTMNj073273 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.154] (pm5-154.eos.net [205.133.149.154]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0RKTDGi028864 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:29:14 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:17:58 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601271801.k0RI1Bss027072@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lego troubles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:30:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA82E6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne wrote: > Kids dont want to play with brigs anymore, they want to play on computers. > Company didnt realise this and almost broke now! Tell that to my kids! We have a cabinet full of Lego bricks. And we also get the bimonthly Lego magazine. And we also have the Lego Star Wars GameCube game. Have you seen this? It is fantastic. It is the entire Star Wars saga, in Lego. You get to play whatever part you want, and whenever you shoot something or hit it with your lightsabre, it breaks up into Lego pieces! We love Lego here, and we do not have a large toy budget. Our Lego investment is probably the largest toy investment we have made. Gail Finke Obligatory costume content: Do you know that Lego people now have little fabric capes? They are for knights, Hogwarts students, etc. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 15:33:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RKXMcC014930 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:33:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RKXEaY032683; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:33:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RKVGsg093914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RKVAPM074855; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RKV4sN074630 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.7b.54226fe4 (15864) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M21 (fwm-m21.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.85]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df843da82f83b; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:30:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:30:48 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F197B1435410-4E0-66E2@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com><3586f5070601270841o2218bbc7pa09c10fdae660685@mail.gmail.com><002f01c62361$a4cc9a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><3586f5070601270910y7318a73fg7c99c687943b2ef3@mail.gmail.com><000c01c62365$2aba9da0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3586f5070601270923r36c2f6b0sce444feaaa7d66fd@mail.gmail.com> <001a01c62367$ddcc5f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.85) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:30:48 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <001a01c62367$ddcc5f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions / Legos MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.85 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:33:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA838A.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My oldest child is almost 24, and my youngest is almost 6, with three siblings between them. Our Lego collection grew over the years, and Arilyn (the youngest) treasures them all. She insists on adding to the pile regularly, kind of like people who collect shoes I guess. She figures you can never have too many, and now her big kick is building all of the Star Wars sets with Daddy's help. Their next adventures are going to be with the Knight sets, I can already see that coming. I sure hope that Lego does not go under. Ha, I never had any idea that they were from Denmark! :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: Historical Costume Sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:34:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Yes really big troubbles, Kids dont want to play with brigs anymore, they want to play on computers. Company didnt realise this and almost broke now! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > Google is great when it works. It would be a shame to see it > disappear into a private collection. I have heard that the Lego > company has been having financial troubles lately. > > Katy > > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Gosh, you are quick Kathy. >> I hope that the danish government will keep this rare doll from auktion. >> It really is unique. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >> >> >> >I did a google search on the Lego toy auction, and found this article, >> > the auction will be May 19-21 in Las Vegas. >> > >> > http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2006/01/16/daily7.html >> > >> > Katy >> > >> > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> I just read in my local train paper today that Legoland is going to >> >> sell >> >> their esxuisite collection of rare toys on an auktion in USA >> >> I Just want to say that if any of you Trace this auction, be very >> >> carefull >> >> because they have a very rare Renaissance Fashion Doll wich first time >> >> i >> >> saw >> >> it made me shimmer all way, because it is so beautifull and exquisite >> >> in >> >> design. >> >> Never have i seen any finer, and besides i dont think it is aware of >> >> all >> >> europe nor anything other country, i dont think they are aware about >> >> how >> >> priceless it is? >> >> Dont know! >> >> But in case you will bump into it! >> >> >> >> >> >> Bjarne >> >> --- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> >> To: "Historical Costume" >> >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >> >> >> >> >> >> > Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour from >> >> > London by train. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.legoland.co.uk >> >> > >> >> > Katy >> >> > >> >> > On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> >> >> I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and >> >> >> about >> >> >> London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two >> >> >> kids >> >> >> in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who >> >> >> is >> >> >> keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum >> >> >> after >> >> >> museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* >> >> >> in >> >> >> anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there >> >> >> are >> >> >> any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose >> >> >> is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or >> >> >> another whenever I visit London. >> >> >> >> >> >> So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active >> >> >> athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? >> >> >> >> >> >> To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- >> >> >> enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly >> >> >> "authentic" costuming? >> >> >> >> >> >> Many thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> Althea Turner >> >> >> althea@alfalfapress.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have >> >> >> company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into >> >> >> anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the >> >> >> reasons behind things." >> >> >> William of Conches, 12th century >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > h-costume mailing list >> >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 15:43:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RKhZiL015163 for ; 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If you mean this one: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries26.htm from the Prices I see here in the DFW (Dallas Texas and surrounding metroplex) area I would say that if your target is the collector, that price is waaaaaay too cheap. If the target is the high end purse matron, (i.e. "You carry Chloé, bring Balenciaga, and pack a perfect Prada. You march about town with Marc, lunch with Louis, accessorize dates with Dior, and hit the town with Hermès."), the price is a little low. If the target is an every day person that is the perfect price. If the price is for a student or a very hard working wife/mother that is more than they will ever spend for a purse that does not double for a utility bag. If they did, then they decided that a bill or two did not need to be paid just yet and are going to splurge to get it. :) -- hard working wife/mother :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] prices > Hi > Just curious, > I know that things are cheap in america, but also wages are cheap > Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay almost 45% from our > income. > This makes everything expenive > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > Globalisations is catching up on us. > God or bad? > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 16:45:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RLj0DR016685 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:45:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RLirYM031743; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:44:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RLhlfL005388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RLhcDY040448; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RLhYpk040313 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9ED05100FA for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05311-01-10 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CC365100F8 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:43:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003101c6238a$b4b38240$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lego troubles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:43:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:44:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DA9455.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: lego troubles > Bjarne wrote: > >> Kids dont want to play with brigs anymore, they want to play on >> computers. >> Company didnt realise this and almost broke now! > > Tell that to my kids! We have a cabinet full of Lego bricks. And we also > get > the bimonthly Lego magazine. And we also have the Lego Star Wars GameCube > game. Have you seen this? It is fantastic. It is the entire Star Wars > saga, > in Lego. You get to play whatever part you want, and whenever you shoot > something or hit it with your lightsabre, it breaks up into Lego pieces! > > We love Lego here, and we do not have a large toy budget. Our Lego > investment is probably the largest toy investment we have made. I love Legos too!! Last year I bought MYSELF some Legos at last--some of the Orient Expedition (which I discovered AFTER they discontinued it) and most of the Knights Kingdom sets. My kids have Legos too, but they have a really bad tendency to not put them away, and mine are NOT combined with theirs! The Game Cube sounds fun, but I don't have a GC system, and don't foresee myself buying one any time soon. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 17:36:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RMa7O6017958 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:36:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RMZx7K020164; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:36:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RMZWNd014128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RMZQn8087538; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RMZLn6087372 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1ad.46789d69 (15877) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0543daa01835d; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01ba01c62369$a5147f40$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <01ba01c62369$a5147f40$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:01 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:36:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAA04F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0RMa7O6017958 Also depends upon Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 27, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Land of Oz wrote: >> Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > > > I guess it's all relative. I would not spend $100 on a bag because > it's not something I can afford right now. > > However, for someone who regularly spends more money on things like > this (custom-made clothing or designer-name pieces) it would be > considered cheap. > > In the grand scheme of things, $100 is not a huge amount of money > (dinner for 4 with drinks at a nice place would cost this much) but > for the skill and beauty of the items you make, it's pennies! I think > many people would not blink if it were twice that price. > > Denise > Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 17:38:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RMcs7D018014 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:38:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RMck8A021259; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:38:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RMcOQF014662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RMcOEe090205; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RMcCbo090041 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.259.5d69b42 (15875) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343daa0cb37c; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:38:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01ba01c62369$a5147f40$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <01ba01c62369$a5147f40$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:38:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:38:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAA0F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Oops- I wanted to delete, not send that Susan On Jan 27, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Land of Oz wrote: > In the grand scheme of things, $100 is not a huge amount of money > (dinner for 4 with drinks at a nice place would cost this much) but > for the skill and beauty of the items you make, it's pennies! I think > many people would not blink if it were twice that price. > THIS is what I wanted to say: That's the price in Iowa, but in NJ, $100. would only get dinner and drinks for 2 ! $100. for your glorious work is a bargain. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 17:56:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RMurcr018447 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:56:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RMukJm027876; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:56:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RMuDq7017048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RMuARh004422; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RMu7xT004375 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so722477wra for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:56:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Emd7Xia5sYibTrpA0nHvvsZYwa2PUtPJp9P17tgvrXrOCytiFf0dn2EV42RfbtMZOX/qhpsaEQwEvIFVi/21k4/nWsQG6O4aunzo0I3sGSyTaqfAOTEeP9y2Hxz1/5CWgCLvL1z40ozqCnbxo0TlnDLb//QuBDPvL/vSxA7ajds= Received: by 10.54.123.3 with SMTP id v3mr4544227wrc; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.7 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:56:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070601271456v7763d4efu164bd83f4f057716@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:56:06 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lego troubles In-Reply-To: <003101c6238a$b4b38240$154d4e40@Stuckis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <003101c6238a$b4b38240$154d4e40@Stuckis> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0RMu7xT004375 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:56:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAA52E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I don't know who likes the Lego more, my kids or me. I like having the excuse to buy Lego. I want the new Viking ship. I love the Orient Expedition Taj Mahal. My boys could spend days designing with Lego. The company did go too far into the movie and sports tie-ins, thta's what cost them so dearly. The Star Wars game is available for PC (what we have, my boys love the game). The company is now going into robotics which seems very interesting. Costume content: last Halloween (2004) we had a group costume as the Lego Orient Expedition guys, Nick was Johnny Thunder, David was the Maharajah, I was Miss Pippin Reed, and Ben, my husband, was Dr. Kilroy. Was much easier than the previous year's Bionicle costumes..... Katy On 1/27/06, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail & Scott Finke" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:17 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: lego troubles > > > > Bjarne wrote: > > > >> Kids dont want to play with brigs anymore, they want to play on > >> computers. > >> Company didnt realise this and almost broke now! > > > > Tell that to my kids! We have a cabinet full of Lego bricks. And we also > > get > > the bimonthly Lego magazine. And we also have the Lego Star Wars GameCube > > game. Have you seen this? It is fantastic. It is the entire Star Wars > > saga, > > in Lego. You get to play whatever part you want, and whenever you shoot > > something or hit it with your lightsabre, it breaks up into Lego pieces! > > > > We love Lego here, and we do not have a large toy budget. Our Lego > > investment is probably the largest toy investment we have made. > > I love Legos too!! Last year I bought MYSELF some Legos at last--some of the > Orient Expedition (which I discovered AFTER they discontinued it) and most > of the Knights Kingdom sets. > > My kids have Legos too, but they have a really bad tendency to not put them > away, and mine are NOT combined with theirs! > > The Game Cube sounds fun, but I don't have a GC system, and don't foresee > myself buying one any time soon. > > Dianne > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 18:11:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RNBxia018850 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:11:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RNBpH2000903; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:11:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RNBZaS018887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RNBW5C015623; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RNBPFE015525 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 864804860 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:11:18 -0600 Message-ID: <02c001c62396$fdbb3990$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><01ba01c62369$a5147f40$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:11:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:11:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAA8B7.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > That's the price in Iowa, but in NJ, $100. would only get dinner and > drinks for 2 ! > > $100. for your glorious work is a bargain. Probably depends on your definition of "nice" too... around here Red Lobster (chain seafood) is considered "spendy", but my family of 4 can eat whatever they want (no drinks) for $70-80. A really nice place in a hotel (no kids--dress up) would cost $50-70 for two. but at any rate, I think we all agree that Bjarne's work is a steal at $100! :-) Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 18:36:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RNaX9Y019406 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:36:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RNaQIp009331; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:36:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RNZxgi022096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RNZuvQ033924; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RNZssi033845 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celtkin@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-69-246-135-166.hsd1.tn.comcast.net[69.246.135.166]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006012723354801200kh2ise>; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:35:48 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:35:47 -0500 From: celtkin To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lego troubles and $100 purses Thread-Index: AcYjmmYCpF6wXI+NEdqZAwANkz5D6g== In-Reply-To: <200601272311.k0RNBaBE015670@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lego troubles and $100 purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:36:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAAE7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! What a great group this is... So glad to have found you guys. (Quick intro: I'm Kat who has been looking at 15th/16th c. costume for a couple years now and needs to get down to business and actually sew something....) I found the lego conversation interesting, because the issue of 'WIRED' Magazine (geeky future tech stuff) which just arrived in the mail last week has Legos on its cover and the headline: "The lego army wants you: How obsessed fans are helping Lego reinvent the world's coolest toy." Sounds like it's not over yet! ~Kat P.S. Bjarne, I love your embroidery. You might be surprised at how high a price you can sell bags for. A few years ago I made little gypsy bags out of embroidered silks and they sold for almost a hundred dollars each time, on eBay (opening bid was set at something like $7.99). I think people still greatly appreciate handwork and are willing to pay. My bags weren't very large, about the size of a small evening purse, no bigger than about 5 x 7 inches. And I didn't even do the embroidery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 18:39:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RNd2Jn019473 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:39:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0RNcsnZ010067; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:38:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0RNbPKN022316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RNbLJn035198; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0RNbHqh035042 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:37:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 44676798 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:37:42 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:38:22 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c6239a$c302e380$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <3586f5070601271456v7763d4efu164bd83f4f057716@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -locations -stronger -clubs -merchants -deals -obviously -themselves -trust -specialists X-Aspam: URLS scored 3.0 www.scorescash.com'; adultrevenueservice.com avnonline.com wired.com primecash.com nzherald.co.nz platinumbucks.com ucumseeme.com macromedia.com www.adultrevenueservice.com'; klixxx.com www.primecash.com'; scorescash.com marketing.ucumseeme.com< www.platinumbucks.com'; X-Aspam: Best match was sample d:\bad\1444319497.tmp X-Aspam: Total 3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 60, in=42, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lego X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:38:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAAF0E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I don't know how the Lego company is doing, but they are featured on the cover of this month's WIRED magazine. See article here: http://wired.com/wired/archive/14.02/lego.html Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 19:01:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S01LvR020190 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:01:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S01EDJ017488; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:01:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0S00N7G026021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:00:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S00G9e053203; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S00B3B053031 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1de.4b6a9676 (58808) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:00:00 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.4b6a9676.310c0dff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:59:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lego troubles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:01:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAB44A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It's so nice to know I'm not the only Lego fan! I don't have any any more, but it was always my favourite toy (not counting my teddy bear of course, who I do still have). So when I was little and our holiday to Spain had to be cancelled, and we went to Denmark instead, you can imagine how excited I was - we actually got to go to Legoland **and** see the little mermaid statue! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 27 20:29:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S1T6CP022372 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:29:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S1SwJN016564; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:29:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0S1RmiE038539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S1Rh9j013252; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S1RcFm013182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 17245 invoked by uid 507); 28 Jan 2006 12:27:37 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 12:27:37 +1100 Message-ID: <00f201c623aa$0308aaf0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003101c6238a$b4b38240$154d4e40@Stuckis> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:27:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lego star wars game X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:29:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DAC8DA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > > The Game Cube sounds fun, but I don't have a GC system, and don't foresee > myself buying one any time soon. > > Dianne We have it for PC. My 16yo and 13yo boys absolutely love it. They play it together with hardly any arguments, so it must be good! Sorry to be OT! Ummm... The lego costumes are quite accurate for animated lego figures. My boys are pedantic, and they think it's good. I don't get much chance to play computer games, as I'm too busy doing other stuff. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 02:22:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S7MboA032479 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S7MTo5002365; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:22:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0S7Ln7I079759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S7LfMI018772; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S7Lbid018722 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA701B10478; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:17:04 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:21:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c623db$79e3a590$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <001a01c62367$ddcc5f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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We bought a ton this Christmas. Mostly Lego Star Wars. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:34 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Yes really big troubbles, Kids dont want to play with brigs anymore, they want to play on computers. Company didnt realise this and almost broke now! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions > Google is great when it works. It would be a shame to see it > disappear into a private collection. I have heard that the Lego > company has been having financial troubles lately. > > Katy > > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Gosh, you are quick Kathy. >> I hope that the danish government will keep this rare doll from >> auktion. It really is unique. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >> >> >> >I did a google search on the Lego toy auction, and found this >> >article, the auction will be May 19-21 in Las Vegas. >> > >> > http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2006/01/16/daily >> > 7.html >> > >> > Katy >> > >> > On 1/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> I just read in my local train paper today that Legoland is going >> >> to >> >> sell >> >> their esxuisite collection of rare toys on an auktion in USA >> >> I Just want to say that if any of you Trace this auction, be very >> >> carefull >> >> because they have a very rare Renaissance Fashion Doll wich first time >> >> i >> >> saw >> >> it made me shimmer all way, because it is so beautifull and exquisite >> >> in >> >> design. >> >> Never have i seen any finer, and besides i dont think it is aware of >> >> all >> >> europe nor anything other country, i dont think they are aware about >> >> how >> >> priceless it is? >> >> Dont know! >> >> But in case you will bump into it! >> >> >> >> >> >> Bjarne >> >> --- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> >> To: "Historical Costume" >> >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions >> >> >> >> >> >> > Legoland Winsor is where my 8 years olds want to go, 1/2 hour >> >> > from London by train. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.legoland.co.uk >> >> > >> >> > Katy >> >> > >> >> > On 1/27/06, Althea Turner wrote: >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> >> >> I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and >> >> >> about >> >> >> London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two >> >> >> kids >> >> >> in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who >> >> >> is >> >> >> keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum >> >> >> after >> >> >> museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* >> >> >> in >> >> >> anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there >> >> >> are >> >> >> any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose >> >> >> is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or >> >> >> another whenever I visit London. >> >> >> >> >> >> So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active >> >> >> athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? >> >> >> >> >> >> To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical >> >> >> re- enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly >> >> >> "authentic" costuming? >> >> >> >> >> >> Many thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> Althea Turner >> >> >> althea@alfalfapress.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to >> >> >> have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look >> >> >> into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not >> >> >> ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th >> >> >> century >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > h-costume mailing list >> >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 02:33:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S7X8V2001710 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:33:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0S7Wqjd005794; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:32:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0S7WDdb080766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S7WBce024316; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S7W7Iq024268 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACE818050332; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:27:36 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: lego star wars game Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:32:09 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c623dc$f2724470$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <00f201c623aa$0308aaf0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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How can we let Lego know we still love them? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Glenda Robinson Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:27 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: lego star wars game > > The Game Cube sounds fun, but I don't have a GC system, and don't > foresee myself buying one any time soon. > > Dianne We have it for PC. My 16yo and 13yo boys absolutely love it. They play it together with hardly any arguments, so it must be good! Sorry to be OT! Ummm... The lego costumes are quite accurate for animated lego figures. My boys are pedantic, and they think it's good. I don't get much chance to play computer games, as I'm too busy doing other stuff. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 08:06:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SD6Snc001721 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:06:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SD6KfO005807; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SD5j7v035356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SD5jF2008499; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S1wFKJ033209 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s12so444169wxc for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:58:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QjiVsUTTBP0GDKC2CJyLBUul64YK5qdIS3sxRok+htI5BgGavkFfvNynRCXbrvHbTTaWeLa8BxMNQs9RdBg1UkjXcwdGNDlvz+4+RPtG0Q89H3rsllmR40UvFd0sCZCkJGJZVV2h9LqghhI7RXjoNvzvBzNxdLMkWs0ZQfaET14= Received: by 10.70.48.5 with SMTP id v5mr4110314wxv; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.5 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:58:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0601271758x368622b7ycbabbb8de17239e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:58:13 -0500 From: Kristin To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Here's my show and tell... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:06:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DB6C4C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0SD6Snc001721 I just joined the list in December... I was so excited to find a list with others interested in making costumes / reproduction clothing! I've always wanted to make something, feeling like I was born in the wrong century since I was a little girl. Now, I've finally begun working on a late 1700's "style" outfit. I say style, because it's cotton, and I'm sure the colors and prints are not exactly period either. It's still very much a work in progress, and keep in mind that it's my first attempt at a historically based outfit. I haven't figured out an easy way to create a link to the album, so I'm forwarding the link I sent to myself. Kristin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: wiesenhutter@arcadia.edu Date: Jan 27, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: View my photos To: kristinolivia@gmail.com *Kristin has shared photos with you.* *Late 1700's Polonaise Gown* (1 album) You're invited to view my online photos at the Gallery. Enjoy! - Kristin *Do more with these photos! * Buy Kodak prints Create a collage Create a mini photo book Create mugs If you can't see the link, copy and paste the following directly into your browser: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q Questions? Visit http://help.kodakgallery.com . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 08:06:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SD6we1001742 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:06:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SD6pwc030181; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SD52h4035240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SD4uNj008044; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:04:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0S1cskG019879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F2f33-0001hY-6m; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:38:41 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:38:41 -0600 Message-ID: <20060127193841.em8brlbsny68oo4w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:38:41 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting celtkin : > What a great group this is... So glad to have found you guys. (Quick intro: > I'm Kat who has been looking at 15th/16th c. costume for a couple years now > and needs to get down to business and actually sew something....) > LOL -- I *so* resemble that remark! I got a dressmakers dummy for Christmas, I'm on draft 2 of a bodice sloper for an Italian (Medieval Miscellanea), and I have fabric. Now all I have to do is find some time to sew! Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 08:18:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SDI1JX002000 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:18:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SDHsbj008721; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:17:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SDHBtV036487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SDH9Ii014341; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f21.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SDH4c9014295 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:17:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:16:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.145.67.23] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601272311.k0RNBaBF015670@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:16:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2006 13:17:03.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[214A9AB0:01C6240D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Hogwarts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:17:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DB6F02.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I was struck at my husband's Postgrad graduation ceremony recently how, in a post-Harry Potter world, academic robes now look faintly ridiculous. Everyone just looks like a Hufflepuff etc. Kate >Obligatory costume content: Do you know that Lego people now have little >fabric capes? They are for knights, Hogwarts students, etc. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 09:43:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SEheu1003666 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:43:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SEhXAr031545; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SEh3ck044659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SEh3ZA056455; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SEgxKq056407 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m182.in-tch.com [216.166.191.182]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0SEYff23019 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:34:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c6241a$1d9b3b60$b6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Hogwarts Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:49:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:43:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DB8315.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Funny how that works, isn't it? Something similar happened to my jewelry/personal embellishment tastes when I joined the SCA...a lot of modern stuff just didn't *look* right! --Sue, Ravenclaw '78 ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Cole" To: Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Hogwarts > I was struck at my husband's Postgrad graduation ceremony recently how, in a > post-Harry Potter world, academic robes now look faintly ridiculous. > Everyone just looks like a Hufflepuff etc. > > Kate > > > >Obligatory costume content: Do you know that Lego people now have little > >fabric capes? They are for knights, Hogwarts students, etc. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 09:48:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SEmrrW003782 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:48:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SEmknE000390; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SEgxrn044649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:42:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SEgtqv056367; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:42:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SEgpUZ056284 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2e4.14b89a3 (16097) for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee143db82e1112; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:42:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0601271758x368622b7ycbabbb8de17239e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <33a78bfb0601271758x368622b7ycbabbb8de17239e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <178bd3ff435b2909fcd196664afbca36@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here's my show and tell... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0SEmrrW003782 Kristin, Your outfit looks great. Take your time and I'm sure it will be a beautiful finished garment. I just joined a few days ago. This group is full of excellent information. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Kristin wrote: > I just joined the list in December... I was so excited to find a list > with > others interested in making costumes / reproduction clothing! > > I've always wanted to make something, feeling like I was born in the > wrong > century since I was a little girl. Now, I've finally begun working on > a > late 1700's "style" outfit. I say style, because it's cotton, and I'm > sure > the colors and prints are not exactly period either. > > It's still very much a work in progress, and keep in mind that it's my > first > attempt at a historically based outfit. > > I haven't figured out an easy way to create a link to the album, so I'm > forwarding the link I sent to myself. > > Kristin > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: wiesenhutter@arcadia.edu > Date: Jan 27, 2006 8:53 PM > Subject: View my photos > To: kristinolivia@gmail.com > > *Kristin has shared photos with you.* > > *Late > 1700's Polonaise Gown* > (1 album) > You're invited to view my online photos at the Gallery. Enjoy! > > - Kristin > > > > *Do more with these photos! * Buy Kodak > prints t=PrintsOverview.jsp&c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > Create > a > collage t=CollageOverview.jsp&c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > Create > a mini photo > book t=MiniBookOverview.jsp&c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > Create > mugs t=GiftStoreOverview.jsp&c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > If > you can't see the link, copy and paste the following directly into your > browser: > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q > Questions? Visit > http://help.kodakgallery.com > . > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 10:22:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SFMhtP004473 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:22:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SFMZCk009830; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:22:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SFKcST049382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SFKaZE077624; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:20:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SFKWq6077584 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:20:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.192.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.192] helo=faucet.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F2rsM-0005IK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:20:30 -0500 Message-ID: <43DB99AD.4060607@faucet.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:19:57 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200601271427.k0RERZa5022755@net.indra.com> <20060127184720.49590.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060127110053.0234cab0@surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Compression differentials, was Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:22:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DB8C3B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Perhaps it is a personal perception thing, but as a size 8 corset-wearing woman who worked for years corsetting larger opera singers, I can tell you that in my experience, the larger the woman, the more a corset can compress without discomfort. You can't cinch me more than one or two inches smaller than my actual measurements without it really starting to cramp my style. On ladies of size 18, though, I've pulled in four inches and been told, "Oh, just keep going--that feels fine." I have occasionally come across a larger woman who was more firmly packed, if you will, and whose corset compression was more similar to mine. It's not just a comfort thing--you can tell when you're lacing someone in when the compression should stop. Up to that point, it's about the corset fitting properly, not shifting around, and providing support. After that point, it's about the comfort of the wearer and their ability to do whatever they need to do while wearing it. Melanie Schuessler > At 10:47 AM 1/27/2006, you wrote: > >> Perhaps a personal perception thing. >> >> I find that when a larger woman wears a corset, there >> really isn't a major change in her shape- it's just >> smoother. A smaller woman, because she does have less >> stuff to squish, will see more dramatic response to >> the compression. Add to that a bumroll on a small >> woman and the difference becomes even more pronounced, >> whereas a larger woman likely won't need one at all; >> the corset will have pinched just enough that her hips >> will have popped out all by themselves. >> >> Kathy >> [snip] > > > I am one of those "larger" women and my tailor has remarked that I am > fairly "squishy" in the torso when being fitted for a corset. Turns out > that I have a fairly small backside and not much in the hips, so I don't > have anything to "pop out" for a bumroll shape. I would guess that the > way you are shaped by a corset is very individual and depends upon your > natural shape (and how the corset is designed and fitted). But we can > all look great in our gowns. Aren't optical illusions wonderful? :-D > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 11:24:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SGOHre005602 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:24:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SGO9Ua030114; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:24:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SGNPhw057152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SGNHUl017291; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:23:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SGNETO017193 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:23:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2d2.1e72505 (4246) for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:23:01 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <2d2.1e72505.310cf464@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:23:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] stumpwork bag To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5111 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:24:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DB9AA9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Barjne, I o recreation of the early 100's with the SCA, so our time periods are different but if I had a cance to buy one of your pieces would expect to pay well above $200 for such a prize. I have been looking at your work for a couple of years now and trying to do better because yours is so fantastic. Thank you for sharing such wonderful pictures, sewing tips, and encouragement for those of us who are still very much beginners. Sincerely, Theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 13:08:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SI8xlM007699 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:08:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SI8qHb030171; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:08:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SI7kWI068078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SI7NdA086377; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SI6fSJ085722 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:06:37 -0800 Message-ID: <43DBB2B6.4050401@msn.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:06:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <005701c622fd$379acd00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <382a7714cab402c28cd562d66f29d424@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <382a7714cab402c28cd562d66f29d424@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2006 18:06:37.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[94A84480:01C62435] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Picture Trail for H-costume was: Pictures - Show and Tell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:08:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DBB334.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Me too, I was hoping that others would take advantage of the Picture Trail album I set up for H-costume for the gift exchange...but now that they have these free photo albums which everyone can use, I guess it maybe it isn't necessary? No one is really using it...boo hoo. Sg Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > I love seeing other people's work, anything from simple "how to's" to > the finish items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 13:53:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SIr7On008614 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:53:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SIqxPf009652; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:53:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SIp36B072153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SIp10V010481; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:51:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SIowrP010368 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:50:53 -0800 Message-ID: <43DBBD16.8090507@msn.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:51:02 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] prices References: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001201c62367$3d763b00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2006 18:50:53.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3EB0E70:01C6243B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:53:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DBBD8B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think that is a very reasonable price. Just as a guideline, I have a friend who is a wonderful fiber artist (amongst many other things) she marks her wares up 200%. Not sure what this would make your bags cost, but thought it might be an idea to consider. Meanwhile, I am putting on my thinking cap to dream up a commission from you.......... Saragrace Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > Just curious, > I know that things are cheap in america, but also wages are cheap > Here in Eurpe, we pay 25% for all goods and pay almost 45% from our > income. > This makes everything expenive > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > Globalisations is catching up on us. > God or bad? > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 14:46:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SJkdcZ009511 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:46:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SJkWUv024530; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:46:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SJjtHx079874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SJjpFZ047180; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from illustrious.concentric.com (illustrious.concentric.com [207.155.252.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SJjlWW047140 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from fruitbaum (66-105-235-20.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.20]) by illustrious.concentric.com id OAA23958; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:45:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200601281945.OAA23958@illustrious.concentric.com> From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:44:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <200601271802.k0RI1Bst027072@net.indra.com> thread-index: AcYjbHhlxw+SqERpQeaRdzMvIQZkaQA1kJaQ X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 80 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:46:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DBCA18.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? Globalisations is catching up on us. God or bad? Bjarne -----Original Message----- Having done stumpwork, I consider $100 a reasonable price for the bag. That's the type of unique item that my husband tries to buy me for birthdays, etc. Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 14:55:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SJtu4a009703 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:55:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SJtmMq027552; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:55:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SJtBDr081155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:55:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SJt9rm052811; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SJt67O052784 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so300900ugc for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:55:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=A9SwI6jnGFtz9ygulcI0JS6hD8d3ZpdXMecH8pw7W1rpahY6H7NQiPp6oaimAiEMQ3oif6KXF2Y54Ac4Dqe+GAx4WDPIdoPiPozl1YCLPVVrpdY4vIWTaj8Ojn3KGqRbceWUGp7iy5gHMQeu45SRTN+yJ4hm6Sn/bWUtGJH988E= Received: by 10.49.88.16 with SMTP id q16mr610019nfl; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.221.10 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:55:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0601281155h2840b782hd80f8883cd6e6136@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:55:05 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <008a01c622a5$ac26a5c0$925083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:55:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DBCC44.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0SJtu4a009703 Wasn't there a poster of Cher all done up in Saran Wrap around 1976-76? It raised eyebrows at the time even thought her bits were covered in enough wrap that it became opague. LynnD On 1/26/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Makes me think of one of my favorite scenes in "Fried Green Tomatoes" > > when the would be woman's libber opens the door to greet her husband > > at night all done up in just plastic... > > Actually, the saran-wrap thing was originally suggested by Marabel Morgan > in "The Total Woman," a handbook for being a submissive loving wife, > widely regarded as about as anti-"women's lib" as you can get. > > I think that one actually qualifies as historic costume -- 1973. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 17:23:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SMNCOw012144 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:23:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0SMN4N5014143; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:23:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SMMDsO000566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SMM9Eu052680; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SMM5MT052602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F2yS9-0000VQ-La; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:21:53 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:21:53 -0600 Message-ID: <20060128162153.2dw9nqy8tzc40sgs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:21:53 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Bjarne asked: > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > Globalisations is catching up on us. > God or bad? > > Bjarne Based on my income (I"m a student), they're expensive. If I had a Real Job (tm), I'd consider the price to be a *real* bargain! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 19:01:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0T01CDn013847 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:01:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0T014KE007769; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:01:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0SNx9nl012935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:59:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SNx4HA009132; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0SNx2fn009105 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C797733895 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:59:01 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture Trail for H-costume Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:59:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:01:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DC05C0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Picture trail? First time I heard of this. Though I don't have a way to get a picture on line. De -----Original Message----- Me too, I was hoping that others would take advantage of the Picture Trail album I set up for H-costume for the gift exchange...but now that they have these free photo albums which everyone can use, I guess it maybe it isn't necessary? No one is really using it...boo hoo. Sg Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > I love seeing other people's work, anything from simple "how to's" to > the finish items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 28 20:19:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0T1JZ1H015211 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:19:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0T1JSn2028222; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:19:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0T1HfJN024885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0T1HYig056430; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0T1HVDl056363 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.297.48de0d6 (15699) for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-r36 (mblk-r36.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.35]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d5343dc17a0c9; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:17:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:17:20 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F288E2D2FA6B-15EC-4C86@mblk-r36.sysops.aol.com> From: taniampembroke@aol.com References: <200601281945.OAA23958@illustrious.concentric.com> <20060128162153.2dw9nqy8tzc40sgs@www.goldsword.com> Received: from 65.11.204.232 by mblk-r36.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.35) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:17:20 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060128162153.2dw9nqy8tzc40sgs@www.goldsword.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 80 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.35 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:19:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DC1820.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, I think that if you market the bag to the right consumer, the price is good bargain. On the other hand it's going to seem expensive for the casual observer who doesn't understand all that it takes to make. Tania -----Original Message----- From: Susan B. Farmer To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:21:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 80 Bjarne asked: > Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > Globalisations is catching up on us. > God or bad? > > Bjarne Based on my income (I"m a student), they're expensive. If I had a Real Job (tm), I'd consider the price to be a *real* bargain! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 01:12:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0T6CNtx019848 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:12:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0T6CGpU011659; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:12:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0T6ArpM060891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:10:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0T6Am1o017778; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0T6Aje2017753 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 75FD135EFF for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:10:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:10:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <8C7F288E2D2FA6B-15EC-4C86@mblk-r36.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:12:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DC5CC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. How sturdy is silk noil as I have never worked with this material. What would you recommend? Needs to not look modern. I have some idea what I am looking for but I am covering all bases. Basically, there is a 6' x 2 1/2'(tapering) embroidered and appliqued banner. It is made of silk and wool. The creator of the banner added an upholstery fringe (allegedly silk) around the edge. This banner is usually carried into battle, so what I am looking into is making a copy so that this beautiful banner won't get trashed. Also because of the fringe and it being top heavy it makes things difficult for the carrier. During a good wind the banner could easily take out someone (either army's personnel, it doesn't discriminate) or wrap itself around the carrier (On the bright side it does make it harder for the opposition army to take it when they have to deal with a body). If I take on the project, I have two weeks to complete it. Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 08:11:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDBHUp008373 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:11:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDB9fO019056; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:11:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TD9c4D022678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TD9WVZ030465; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TD9S1j030430 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248F94003D for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:09:28 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43dc7835.8640 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:09:28 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D3L6IvymVawIAAAAB,2d0b8da46d03c9dd7b32511be54c5c07 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060129050928.15357D49@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:11:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DCBEED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My mother ( bless her ), the first time she saw me wearing an un-boned-tabbed Elizabethan style corset, patted me on the hip and asked,' Is that padding, or you?' It was *all* me. ;-P I also think that some women squish more than others, depending on the muscle mass underneath whatever surface body fat they have. One friend of mine, despite the fact that she looks like she would have a LOT of squish, doesn't, ( she was very athletic until injury stopped her, which was when she started to put on weight ) and another lady I know who is much slimmer, has quite a lot of squish. So you can never tell, just by looking. Joannah. --- Kathy Page wrote: Perhaps a personal perception thing. I find that when a larger woman wears a corset, there really isn't a major change in her shape- it's just smoother. A smaller woman, because she does have less stuff to squish, will see more dramatic response to the compression. Add to that a bumroll on a small woman and the difference becomes even more pronounced, whereas a larger woman likely won't need one at all; the corset will have pinched just enough that her hips will have popped out all by themselves. Kathy > I'm puzzled as to what you mean by this, Kathy. > Surely a thin woman has few squishy bits and so > can't mould herself into a different shape? I can't > change my shape with a corset except by constricting > my lower ribs so that I can't breathe freely. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 08:27:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDRUMC008883 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:27:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDRN0x024931; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:27:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TDQphI024128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TDQpYS038639; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TDQkeA038606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0TDLCGr009844 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:21:12 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:21:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43DCC293.6080607@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:26:43 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Hogwarts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:27:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DCC2BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Cole wrote: > I was struck at my husband's Postgrad graduation ceremony recently how, > in a post-Harry Potter world, academic robes now look faintly > ridiculous. Everyone just looks like a Hufflepuff etc. Do you mean the cheesy fluttery rental ones, or the serious fabric ones that Profs wear? Go back to houppelandes for academics, that's what I say! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent US postage with medieval images on it: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/1160846 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 08:47:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDl6oI009259 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:47:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDkxf0031986; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:47:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TDkWEW025376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TDkUxC048552; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav8.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TDkQw3048486 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:46:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:46:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2006 13:46:23.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[649FE9F0:01C624DA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:47:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DCC753.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Most people think silk is a delicate fiber, but it is a very strong thread. Silk noil or dupioni silk are strong and thicker than the lightweight silk. If you layer the silk it's even better. I took silk painting and you can paint directly onto it. It can be sewn onto, yarn punched or appliqued. Great designs can be chain stitiched like designs on wool fabrics from ancient China. Silk is great for banners. Just make sure to store it somewhere moths and bugs can't get into the project. I'm battling moth holes in a silk artwork I did. Luckily the holes are small and I can creatively stitch over them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT >I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. > I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. > How sturdy is silk noil as I have never worked with this material. > What would you recommend? Needs to not look modern. > I have some idea what I am looking for but I am covering all bases. > Basically, there is a 6' x 2 1/2'(tapering) embroidered and appliqued > banner. It is made of silk and wool. The creator of the banner added an > upholstery fringe (allegedly silk) around the edge. This banner is usually > carried into battle, so what I am looking into is making a copy so that > this > beautiful banner won't get trashed. Also because of the fringe and it > being > top heavy it makes things difficult for the carrier. During a good wind > the > banner could easily take out someone (either army's personnel, it doesn't > discriminate) or wrap itself around the carrier (On the bright side it > does > make it harder for the opposition army to take it when they have to deal > with a body). > If I take on the project, I have two weeks to complete it. > > Thank you, > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 08:58:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDw2Re009450 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:58:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TDvsWi003169; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:57:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TDves0026685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TDvdki055726; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TDvZAP055648 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m62.in-tch.com [216.166.191.62]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0TDnCf08878 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:49:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000c01c624dc$edc8c240$3ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060129050928.15357D49@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:04:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:57:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DCC9E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think it has something to do with general body shape, as well. I have a friend whose torso is an almost waistless cylinder, no matter what her size (and her weight fluctuates quite a bit, so I've seen her at different sizes). She wouldn't get nearly the contrast between hip/bust/waist that I would (me being of the hourglassy variety, although currently in the giant economy size). I've never used corsetry for anything except 16th century costuming (and a teensy bit of early Cavalier), but always thought it'd be interesting, especially if I were of a more average weight, to try something Victorian or Edwardian, just for curiosity. I don't know that I'm structurally suited to do 18th c. stuff, although I've always loved the clothing. My shoulders are broad enough that I'd probably look like a peasant masquerading as a lady ;o) (Gotta love family genetics! ) In an Elizabethan or Tudor style, though, I get excellent contrast between bust and waist--might need a bumroll or padded cartridge pleats in the skirt, though, as I'm more tummy than behind. --Sue in Montana, where we got snow last night ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. > My mother ( bless her ), the first time she saw me wearing an un-boned-tabbed Elizabethan style corset, patted me on the hip and asked,' Is that padding, or you?' It was *all* me. ;-P > > I also think that some women squish more than others, depending on the muscle mass underneath whatever surface body fat they have. One friend of mine, despite the fact that she looks like she would have a LOT of squish, doesn't, ( she was very athletic until injury stopped her, which was when she started to put on weight ) and another lady I know who is much slimmer, has quite a lot of squish. > > So you can never tell, just by looking. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 09:20:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TEKinW009917 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:20:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TEKbS9011437; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TEK17e029174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TEJuaW070150; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0TDffb5046256 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:41:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 19298 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 05:41:41 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 19292, pid: 19293, t: 0.7823s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 05:41:40 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060129053618.02348c10@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:41:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT In-Reply-To: References: <8C7F288E2D2FA6B-15EC-4C86@mblk-r36.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:20:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DCCF35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 10:10 PM 1/28/2006, you wrote: >I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. >I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. >How sturdy is silk noil as I have never worked with this material. >What would you recommend? Needs to not look modern. >I have some idea what I am looking for but I am covering all bases. >Basically, there is a 6' x 2 1/2'(tapering) embroidered and appliqued >banner. It is made of silk and wool. The creator of the banner added an >upholstery fringe (allegedly silk) around the edge. This banner is usually >carried into battle, so what I am looking into is making a copy so that this >beautiful banner won't get trashed. Also because of the fringe and it being >top heavy it makes things difficult for the carrier. During a good wind the >banner could easily take out someone (either army's personnel, it doesn't >discriminate) or wrap itself around the carrier (On the bright side it does >make it harder for the opposition army to take it when they have to deal >with a body). >If I take on the project, I have two weeks to complete it. > >Thank you, >De Silk noil is going to be much too heavy for this kind of banner (it's great for upholstery). You want a thin, lightweight silk. To keep the weight down, you can paint the device on the banner. Check out http://www.Dharmatrading.com for silk, dyes, and silk paints. If you don't want to paint the device, you can do applique with similar lightweight silk. You can get lighter weight fringe of the sort that is used on clothing. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 09:21:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TELwum009958 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TELpV9023152; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TELdJl029404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TELbXK071322; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TELXkG071176 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED285D821E for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31918-06 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 641F3D821D for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601c624df$4a7ab320$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060129050928.15357D49@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <000c01c624dc$edc8c240$3ebfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DCCF7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. > My shoulders are > broad enough that I'd probably look like a peasant masquerading as a lady > ;o) (Gotta love family genetics! ) In an Elizabethan or Tudor style, > though, I get excellent contrast between bust and waist--might need a > bumroll or padded cartridge pleats in the skirt, though, as I'm more tummy > than behind. > --Sue in Montana, where we got snow last night I have the same problem--broad shoulders, big ribcage, big upper arms, and short, sturdy legs. Even at 102 pounds, my arms and legs were not delicate little things. I just figure I came from peasant stock, and I'm built to get out in the fields and WORK! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 10:10:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TFAmHB012209 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:10:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TFAfYU027160; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TF9xGA034862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:09:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TF9vdZ099197; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TF9sMb099160 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:09:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01124 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:39:40 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:39:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:10:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DCDAF1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you were looking for information on 16th c. costume in written sources, whose research/publications would you seek, other than Janet Arnold's? And: Does anyone know if Jane Ashelford is still active, and if so, where she can be located? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 12:34:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0THY1Kf018778 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:34:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0THXrbh015986; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:33:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0THX2Bo049454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0THWvKY081585; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0THWrKs081474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:32:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3GPh-0007Mq-2Z; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:32:33 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:32:32 -0600 Message-ID: <20060129113232.47x1efjgvhsskwk8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:32:32 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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Quoting Robin Netherton : > > If you were looking for information on 16th c. costume in written sources, > whose research/publications would you seek, other than Janet Arnold's? > > And: Does anyone know if Jane Ashelford is still active, and if so, where > she can be located? > :-D Dressing Renaissance Florence :-D I know that there are a couple of inventories from Henry 8, but I don't know the author. 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By 16thC, do you mean British Elizabethan, or 16thC everywhere and in general? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 13:31:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TIVYQh021075 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:31:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TIVQVx006518; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:31:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TIUcN8057085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TIUb9S023296; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:30:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TIUYv1023232 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:30:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02484 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:00:21 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:00:18 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? In-Reply-To: <022101c62500$bc4935a0$e100a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:31:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD09FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, E House wrote: > By 16thC, do you mean British Elizabethan, or 16thC everywhere and in > general? Sorry -- British, but not just Elizabethan (that is, I'm interested in finding people known for doing work on the first half of the 16th c.). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 14:01:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJ1mZI022832 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:01:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJ1eYA020115; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:01:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TJ108h061087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJ0ubu043770; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJ0pbs043682 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.146.54d0ddbd (4552) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:00:44 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <146.54d0ddbd.310e6adb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:00:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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In a message dated 1/29/2006 11:38:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > By 16thC, do you mean British Elizabethan, or 16thC everywhere and in > general? There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of print. Published, I think in the 50's. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 14:05:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJ5FkQ022948 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:05:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJ585V021458; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:05:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TJ4fqw061440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:04:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJ4fQh045948; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:04:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJ4aVv045893 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F3Hqj-000GKV-8N for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:04:33 +0000 Message-ID: <2sB$LlChFR3DJwi5@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:02:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<9P4N+R1R4zNfQF4tRDmTWuQHQ$>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:05:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD11E4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If it's going on the battlefield and possibly getting wrapped around armour and other spiky things, noil or dupion is good because it's not a smooth surface to begin with, so it won't look ruined the first time a thread gets pulled. Dupion would be lighter than noil - easier to carry and more chance of fluttering in anything less than a gale. Jean Becky wrote >Most people think silk is a delicate fiber, but it is a very strong >thread. Silk noil or dupioni silk are strong and thicker than the >lightweight silk. If you layer the silk it's even better. >I took silk painting and you can paint directly onto it. It can be sewn >onto, yarn punched or appliqued. Great designs can be chain stitiched >like designs on wool fabrics from ancient China. >Silk is great for banners. Just make sure to store it somewhere moths >and bugs can't get into the project. I'm battling moth holes in a silk >artwork I did. Luckily the holes are small and I can creatively stitch >over them. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:10 AM >Subject: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT > > >>I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. >> I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. >> How sturdy is silk noil as I have never worked with this material. >> What would you recommend? Needs to not look modern. >> I have some idea what I am looking for but I am covering all bases. >> Basically, there is a 6' x 2 1/2'(tapering) embroidered and appliqued >> banner. It is made of silk and wool. The creator of the banner added an >> upholstery fringe (allegedly silk) around the edge. This banner is usually >> carried into battle, so what I am looking into is making a copy so >>that this >> beautiful banner won't get trashed. Also because of the fringe and it >>being >> top heavy it makes things difficult for the carrier. During a good >>wind the >> banner could easily take out someone (either army's personnel, it doesn't >> discriminate) or wrap itself around the carrier (On the bright side >>it does >> make it harder for the opposition army to take it when they have to deal >> with a body). >> If I take on the project, I have two weeks to complete it. >> >> Thank you, >> De >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 14:32:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJWJDI024355 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:32:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJWCQ2001848; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TJVlLj065822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJVi65066927; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJVd6n066839 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02962 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:01:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:01:22 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: > There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of > print. Published, I think in the 50's. I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems to be a gap here in current work :-( --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 14:44:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJiNa9024549 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:44:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJiGFx006394; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:44:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TJhqLY067254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJhoWh074255; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com [70.96.188.111]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0TJhjs5074185 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 6379 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jan 2006 19:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 19:43:45 -0000 Received: from 193.84-48-130.nextgentel.com ([84.48.130.193] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F3ISe-0005Da-K0 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:43:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:43:32 +0100 From: "G.Vinje" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:01:22 -0600 (CST), Robin Netherton wrote: > I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems > to be a gap here in current work :-( Have you been in touch with Eva Anderson yet ? She might have some useful suggestions. Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 14:48:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJmqvC024657 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:48:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TJmjLx007959; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:48:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TJludV067661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJltKf076446; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TJkXpb075651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3IV3-0000uN-03; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:46:13 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:46:12 -0600 Message-ID: <20060129134612.4zvovuzgqrvo8s4s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:46:12 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: > >> There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of >> print. Published, I think in the 50's. > > I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems > to be a gap here in current work :-( Probably Ninya Mikhaila http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/costumes2.html She's the lady doing the Tudor Tailor book. Those who've seen advanced copies proclaim it better than Janet Arnold's work. http://www.tudortailor.com/ Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 15:43:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TKhCOq027028 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:43:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TKh4vb028268; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:43:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TKgRJB073243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TKgNd8005877; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TKgKIT005829 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LYDEHBAH9CAELSSP@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:42:29 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LYDEH2H49O9V18XF@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:42:17 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:42:08 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Corset habits. 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Joannah Hansen wrote: >I also think that some women squish more than others, depending on the muscle mass underneath whatever surface body fat they have. One friend of mine, despite the fact that she looks like she would have a LOT of squish, doesn't, ( she was very athletic until injury stopped her, which was when she started to put on weight ) and another lady I know who is much slimmer, has quite a lot of squish. > I'm with you there-- I'm on the fat side, but quite muscular around the midsection and I can only get a minute amount of compression. -- Adele de Maisieres ***************************** Book now for Canterbury Faire http://sg.sca.org.nz/cf.htm ***************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 16:17:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLH81u028405 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:17:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLH1Ds006151; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TLGThl077989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLGNkX027160; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLGHI8027123 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=pSPpR1+CPQKJniF7vGh2jj2LUtgnVUM8glHBsgFPfQGx6c4SU7ke2AiQXZju8CTY; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.21.191] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3JuC-0004kK-Ge for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:16:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:17:13 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cb2244edad692661aa273a3907d2d1e23350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.21.191 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:17:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD30CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks, everyone, for all the suggestions! Also, I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had great success bringing over packages of "Jelly Bellies" jelly beans. She says you can't get them in Britain (and they actually are quite good). Apropos of Hogwarts, I've seen Jelly Bellies packages of "Bertie Bott's Every Flavor" beans -- though they thoughtfully leave out all the nasty ones :) Is there really no one doing that in Britain? ObCostume: the actual spur to planning this trip is the Mediaeval Dress and Textiles Society meeting on March 11th, which is on "Knitting before 1600." The last time I was in England -- or, indeed, anywhere in Europe -- was 1970, so this will be quite exciting. I've got about half a week in London and half a week out in the countryside planned. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 16:28:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLS3Vq028678 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:28:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLRtNm009447; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TLRatU079153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLRY0j033426; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:27:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLRVcG033345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:27:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3K4k-0000Gj-Fq; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:27:10 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:27:10 -0600 Message-ID: <20060129152710.vjqp3239fndsgkcs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:27:10 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:27:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD335B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Chris Laning : *snippage* > ObCostume: the actual spur to planning this trip is the Mediaeval > Dress and Textiles Society meeting on March 11th, which is on > "Knitting before 1600." The last time I was in England -- or, indeed, > anywhere in Europe -- was 1970, so this will be quite exciting. I've > got about half a week in London and half a week out in the > countryside planned. You'll hae to find out if there is a proeedings planned. I know some folks who would dearly love to get a copy. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 16:30:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLU2cQ028702 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:30:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLTtPL012147; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:29:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TLSsi8079311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLSsKL034040; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLSonR034001 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.141.241] (dialup-4.249.141.241.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.141.241]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TLSi8q009503 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:28:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43DD33BD.1080100@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:29:33 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD33D3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Chris Laning wrote: > Also, I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had great > success bringing over packages of "Jelly Bellies" jelly beans. She says > you can't get them in Britain (and they actually are quite good). I broght some to Norway for a friend, as well. > > Apropos of Hogwarts, I've seen Jelly Bellies packages of "Bertie Bott's > Every Flavor" beans -- though they thoughtfully leave out all the nasty > ones :) Is there really no one doing that in Britain? You can buy chocolate frogs, Bertie Bott's Beans and one other Hogwart fav at Target stores! but be warned: they do NOT leave out the nasty flavors, and there seem to be a lot of them. -Judy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 16:37:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLbfgQ028858 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:37:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TLbYH5012371; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:37:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TLbGwP080008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:37:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLbEph038237; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TLbAfc038195 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from n.mm@gte.net) Received: from POGO.gte.net ([71.111.126.85]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ITV00KZ7IPRVW88@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:37:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:37:04 -0800 From: Nancy Millis-MacHaffie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits In-reply-to: <20060129152710.vjqp3239fndsgkcs@www.goldsword.com> X-Sender: res04vv9@incoming.verizon.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.1.20060129133639.00b88658@incoming.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:37:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD359E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>ObCostume: the actual spur to planning this trip is the Mediaeval Dress >>and Textiles Society meeting on March 11th, which is on "Knitting before >>1600." Have a great time!!! Nancy MM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 17:31:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TMVLm1031798 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:31:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TMVDU9032766; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:31:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TMURM9086327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TMUNir070090; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxs2.wvu.edu (mxs2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.114]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TMUI29069983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxs2.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TMU817008968 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:30:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:30:08 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0500 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: "Historical Costume" , Subject: Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:31:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD4231.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hershy Kisses Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. >>> robin@shell.nightowl.net 01/25/06 12:36 PM >>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Chris Laning wrote: > What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from > California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over > there or especially "American"? I have had good luck with Vermont maple syrup and local wines (I have always lived in wine regions). Anything that is native to where you live will have a cachet to it. However, one dear friend in London begs me to bring her the newest US cleaning supplies! She lived here for a few years and got used to all the fancy products, then went back to Britain and had to wait years for them to be introduced there. Same experience with disposable diapers (this was about 20 years ago.) If I were visiting her today I'd probably bring a Swiffer. I wouldn't suggest cleaning supplies as a gift for strangers, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 18:47:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TNlERx002232 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:47:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TNl63f026757; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:47:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TNkK4g096347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TNkGxc015432; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TNkDas015366 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.274.4d9c657 (48624) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <274.4d9c657.310eadb8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:46:00 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:prices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:47:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD53FA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ok, I'm not in the US, and don't work in dollars, but I'd consider 100 pounds (gbp) to be incredibly cheap - whether I could afford it or not. Something can be a lot of money, but if it's worth it, I don't think it's expensive (like the cooking knife sets that Todd makes - the top ones are about 400 quid, but for 4 or 5 hand made knives, it's a very good price (like I said, whether I can afford it or not - (decidedly 'not' right now, cos of not-quite-falling-down-house)!!!) Debs In a message dated 1/29/06 5:34:24 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Bjarne asked: > > >Do you consider my bag for 100 dollars cheap or expensive? > >Globalisations is catching up on us. > >God or bad? > > > >Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 18:53:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TNrS1D002332 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:53:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0TNrLRq028817; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:53:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0TNr17M097170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TNqxqk019209; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0TNqutI019086 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:52:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.283.4bb5c69 (48624) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <283.4bb5c69.310eaf50@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:52:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:53:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD5571.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I symapathise on the duplicate banner thing - I have at least one and possibly up to half a dozen flags to make for Hastings towards the end of the year (looking forward to that (or not)). I know it can be very hard to find these days, but if you can (it is still about), old fashioned parachute silk is the best thing. Failing that, any silk that is weighted at less than your average dupion would be ok. Probably the best thing to do is to go to a fabric merchant or shop, and explain that it needs to be quite lightweight, but not sheer, have a plain weave, and be very strong (I always find that explaineing the properties it needs is much better than explaining what it's for - people tend to look blank and say 'eh?' when I do the latter). Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:06:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U064WX002551 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:06:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U05vCF000663; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:05:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U05QdZ099324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U05OGZ028427; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:05:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U05KJT028260 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) Received: from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.da.353eb474 (18707) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:05:14 -0500 (EST) From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:05:13 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:06:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD5865.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello everyone, Saw the topic of Elizabethan English style costume and wanted to let you know Sharon Cohen specializes in reviving historical hand embroidery techniques - especially those used in Elizabethan times. She also has charts for costume miniatures that are needlework implements (glove shaped scissor cases, nightcap pincushion, etc) We just finished a full size version of Sharon's web site and both of us being novices would appreciate any input on it would like to find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as possible. _www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com_ (http://www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com) the email address for any comments, questions, and suggestions is listed on the mast of every page in the web site. Thanks in advance, Ola _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:18:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0ICPE002790 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:18:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0I5Aw004596; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:18:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U0GCUo001314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0GCxp037360; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0G6kJ037135 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:16:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2c9.2a30685 (18555) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <2c9.2a30685.310eb4bd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:18:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD5B3D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that period. And I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was illegal to import it in most of Europe. Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the quilting pattern on the fabric print! Tea Rose P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women spend that kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, if you wanted to. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:18:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0IHBk002793 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:18:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0IAnj006711; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:18:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U0Fcmj001176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0FbA5036656; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0FXRQ036475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3MhL-0005XY-KG; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:15:11 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:15:11 -0600 Message-ID: <20060129181511.0cog8ftbgnc4kkk4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:15:11 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hoppelande question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:18:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD5B42.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Question about houppelandes ... I've seen bands of fur at the bottom (i.e., hem) of the women's "cotehardie," at the bottom of sideless surcoats, and at the bottom of men's *short* houppelandes -- but what about a woman's long houppelande? I inherited one from the estate of a dear friend -- she always wore hers unbelted -- but if I belt it, it's going to be too short. I thought of a band of fur/velvet at the hem -- just curious as to if it was ever done. Thanks, Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:23:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0Nhkl002878 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:23:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0Nao9006402; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:23:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U0MsBm002636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0Mqwa042153; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0MnRC042095 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3596140159 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43dc7835.ecd2 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:22:48 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD3VxYjt+kPQIAAAAB,818d40578fdcf4a8246f9c0b9e8d137a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.9] Message-Id: <20060129162248.15351413@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:23:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD5C88.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Nice website and it loaded quickly on Netscape. Thanks. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- NostalgicNeedle@aol.com wrote: From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:05:13 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen Hello everyone, Saw the topic of Elizabethan English style costume and wanted to let you know Sharon Cohen specializes in reviving historical hand embroidery techniques - especially those used in Elizabethan times. She also has charts for costume miniatures that are needlework implements (glove shaped scissor cases, nightcap pincushion, etc) We just finished a full size version of Sharon's web site and both of us being novices would appreciate any input on it would like to find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as possible. _www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com_ (http://www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com) the email address for any comments, questions, and suggestions is listed on the mast of every page in the web site. Thanks in advance, Ola _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:24:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0Ol79002895 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:24:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0OekZ008782; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:24:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U0O6ni002844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:24:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0O41h043601; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0O1sd043473 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.278.3fb8ea9 (48624) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <278.3fb8ea9.310eb697@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:23:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fabric question SOT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:24:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD5CC8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! PS to earlier reply dupion itself does work well as a flag - jean's reply reminded me that I've actually made quite a few ECW flags from dupion, and they fly quite well, and though they're heavy (they *are* 6' x 6'), they're not excessively so. debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:40:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0dvcV003109 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:39:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0doAY011707; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U0dOIC005406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0dM7g054912; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0dHiI054873 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:39:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:35:57 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:39:18 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <00b301c62535$9af0e210$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcYlLuNeZIwSdG7oTDyoum/6tyiARgABnyIw In-Reply-To: <283.4bb5c69.310eaf50@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 00:35:57.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[2310B630:01C62535] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:39:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD6056.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Don't know if this will help any, but I recently acquired a hammock made of "Thai Parachute silk"; very light weight nylon in person, but strong enough to make a 250lb rated hammock. Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT I symapathise on the duplicate banner thing - I have at least one and possibly up to half a dozen flags to make for Hastings towards the end of the year (looking forward to that (or not)). I know it can be very hard to find these days, but if you can (it is still about), old fashioned parachute silk is the best thing. Failing that, any silk that is weighted at less than your average dupion would be ok. Probably the best thing to do is to go to a fabric merchant or shop, and explain that it needs to be quite lightweight, but not sheer, have a plain weave, and be very strong (I always find that explaineing the properties it needs is much better than explaining what it's for - people tend to look blank and say 'eh?' when I do the latter). Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:45:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0j6RA003196 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:45:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0ixU1013415; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:45:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U0ihEv006379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0igLk058970; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0id8E058932 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:41:19 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:44:40 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <00b401c62536$5acfd730$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcYlMLC13pz3gLRMRsKAsejBr/qyugABXycA In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 00:41:19.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2EF3620:01C62535] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:45:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD618B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Showed up quickly on Explorer with cable, but seem to be lacking a spot for obtaining/ordering instructions. As it stands it is a nice gallery. Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:05 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen Hello everyone, Saw the topic of Elizabethan English style costume and wanted to let you know Sharon Cohen specializes in reviving historical hand embroidery techniques - especially those used in Elizabethan times. She also has charts for costume miniatures that are needlework implements (glove shaped scissor cases, nightcap pincushion, etc) We just finished a full size version of Sharon's web site and both of us being novices would appreciate any input on it would like to find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as possible. _www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com_ (http://www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com) the email address for any comments, questions, and suggestions is listed on the mast of every page in the web site. Thanks in advance, Ola _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 19:51:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0pJbY003293 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:51:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U0pBYI015427; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:51:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U0oJhB007034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0oEXO062798; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:50:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U0oA0o062748 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:50:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.158.239] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3NFC-0004Tg-FP for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:50:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:49:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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At 9:39 AM -0600 1/29/06, Robin Netherton wrote: >If you were looking for information on 16th c. costume in written sources, >whose research/publications would you seek, other than Janet Arnold's? Doesn't it kind of depend on exactly what kind of 16th century costume you were interested in? The answer is going to be different if you're looking for 16th century Scottish (especially Highland) costume than if you're looking for 16th century English, or Italian, etc. I see in another post you're clarified that you mean "British, but not just Elizabethan (that is, I'm interested in finding people known for doing work on the first half of the 16th c.)." -- but I'm not entirely sure if by this you actually mean British (including not only Welsh but the various kinds of Scottish) or if you really mean only English. [Alas, it is so common for people to use British and English as synonyms that even when people use British to mean British one often still has to ask...] In any case, I haven't really noticed anyone currently publishing academically on 16th century Scottish clothing, and the best sources for (paper) published information on historical Scottish costume (from many centuries, though usually but not always concentrating on Highland clothing) in written sources are still the works of John Telfar Dunbar and H. F. McClintock (see ). Turning to web publications, there is my Historical Scottish Clothing Project , but it is still in early stages (and somewhat stalled by my plans to switch to dynamic database driven web pages) and currently only has a little that is not already in Dunbar and/or McClintock. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 20:22:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1M59I003969 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:22:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1Lwwc025826; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U1LMen009940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1LJn8084702; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1LGJg084642 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:21:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.117.21.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.117.21] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F3NjE-0005Xs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:21:15 -0500 Message-ID: <43DD69E2.8010407@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:20:34 -0800 From: Red Bear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! 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It's most likely just me, but some pattern back there would be nice. Other than that it's a nice site. And it comes through on Mozilla Firefox very nicely. Stephen NostalgicNeedle@aol.com wrote: >Hello everyone, > >Saw the topic of Elizabethan English style costume and wanted to let you >know Sharon Cohen specializes in reviving historical hand embroidery techniques >- especially those used in Elizabethan times. She also has charts for costume >miniatures that are needlework implements (glove shaped scissor cases, >nightcap pincushion, etc) > >We just finished a full size version of Sharon's web site and both of us >being novices would appreciate any input on it would like to find out how fast >it displays on as many different browsers as possible. > >_www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com_ (http://www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com) >the email address for any comments, questions, and suggestions is listed on the >mast of every page in the web site. > >Thanks in advance, >Ola >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 20:28:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1SX2C004148 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:28:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1SQiF027803; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U1S9tK010525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1S8Zd089594; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1S3O1089546 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05514 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:57:52 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:57:49 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:28:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD6BBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > I see in another post you're clarified that you mean "British, but not > just Elizabethan (that is, I'm interested in finding people known for > doing work on the first half of the 16th c.)." -- but I'm not entirely > sure if by this you actually mean British (including not only Welsh > but the various kinds of Scottish) or if you really mean only English. > [Alas, it is so common for people to use British and English as > synonyms that even when people use British to mean British one often > still has to ask...] In this case, English -- sorry for not being specific. Frankly, I can't think of very many people who are currently doing scholarly work in dress study anywhere in Britain focusing on 16th c. documents (as opposed to art, archaeology, or reconstruction -- I know who to call on those), which is why I inquired about Jane Ashelford. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 20:31:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1VqMg004354 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:31:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1VjqM028846; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:31:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U1VGd4010779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1VFbB091276; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1VCrx091237 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m212.in-tch.com [216.166.191.212]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0U1Mrf29080 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:22:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003601c6253d$d5d55ac0$d4bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43DD33BD.1080100@theoldforest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:38:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:31:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD6C81.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Cockroach Clusters, too....I was *koff* "fortunate" enough to get some for Christmas.... --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits > > Apropos of Hogwarts, I've seen Jelly Bellies packages of "Bertie Bott's > > Every Flavor" beans -- though they thoughtfully leave out all the nasty > > ones :) Is there really no one doing that in Britain? > > You can buy chocolate frogs, Bertie Bott's Beans and one other Hogwart > fav at Target stores! but be warned: they do NOT leave out the nasty > flavors, and there seem to be a lot of them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 20:37:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1bqvu004553 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:37:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1bj7p030849; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U1b7PP011280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1b6Q3096540; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1b3tX096459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3Ny3-0003lK-M6; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:36:32 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:36:31 -0600 Message-ID: <20060129193631.c6blru5swpowso08@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:36:31 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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NostalgicNeedle@aol.com wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Saw the topic of Elizabethan English style costume and wanted to let >> you know Sharon Cohen specializes in reviving historical hand >> embroidery techniques - especially those used in Elizabethan times. >> She also has charts for costume miniatures that are needlework >> implements (glove shaped scissor cases, nightcap pincushion, etc) >> >> We just finished a full size version of Sharon's web site and both >> of us being novices would appreciate any input on it would like to >> find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as >> possible. >> >> _www.nostalgicneedledesigns.com_ Comes through fine on Mozille -- but may I recommend "Meaningful Names" for the different pages? You have the menu bar on the left with "samplers 1" and "samplers 2" -- it would be *much* easier to keep track of where you are if the page that comes up when you click on "samplers 2" was titled "samplers2.html" instead of fifthtrialbuild_024.htm Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 20:38:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1cqGp004574 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:38:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U1cjdj001153; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:38:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U1XEpH010983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1XDXA092706; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U1X9rP092559 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.86]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060130013304.TYRC3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:33:04 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060129192550.02882640@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:29:25 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT In-Reply-To: <200601300015.k0U0FcZV036674@net.indra.com> References: <200601300015.k0U0FcZV036674@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:38:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD6E25.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dupioni tends to be a bit stiffer than noil. Silk noil is traditionally used for the flag of Japan. Beth At 06:15 PM 1/29/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:02:57 +0000 >From: Jean Waddie > >If it's going on the battlefield and possibly getting wrapped around >armour and other spiky things, noil or dupion is good because it's not a >smooth surface to begin with, so it won't look ruined the first time a >thread gets pulled. Dupion would be lighter than noil - easier to carry >and more chance of fluttering in anything less than a gale. > >Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 21:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U2GDx3005253 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:16:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U2G6Z6010380; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U2FfiC014837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U2F2G6014517; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U2EwOf014450 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05998 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:44:47 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:44:45 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits In-Reply-To: <20060129152710.vjqp3239fndsgkcs@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:16:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD76E6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Chris Laning : > > > ObCostume: the actual spur to planning this trip is the Mediaeval > > Dress and Textiles Society meeting on March 11th, which is on > > "Knitting before 1600." The last time I was in England -- or, indeed, > > anywhere in Europe -- was 1970, so this will be quite exciting. I've > > got about half a week in London and half a week out in the > > countryside planned. > You'll hae to find out if there is a proeedings planned. I know some > folks who would dearly love to get a copy. MEDATS does not produce proceedings. The MEDATS meetings are notorious for including wonderful-sounding papers that vanish into the ether afterward; very few seem to find their way into print. If you look over the archives at the web site (http://www.medats.org.uk/archive/archivefs.htm), the lists of past presentations are absolutely mouth-watering. We here at MC&T ;-) hope to help to improve this situation at least in part. A member of our board is a MEDATS officer, and we're making very clear that we would like to get some of those papers into print. And in fact, one of the articles we've scheduled for volume 3 is from a recent MEDATS conference. I hope there will be many more! --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 29 23:30:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U4UAxB007680 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:30:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U4U2wY019111; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:30:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U4Ta2E030455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U4TTRX086773; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52108.mail.yahoo.com (web52108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.111]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0U4TR8l086709 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 63767 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2006 04:29:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c9lr+vHCueJtP7CyJya2IgXf1j6oxz+47QiUQ4/0GIo4cWVBo5wsE+msBHNDAqrwmfO07uolaBzRgEh41WEBVhwl7vF8Cez3EX/FCkfIDbAiU7eUDRcBvThEOntKuYVD5q0C6yJlB+k2Wq7yCzOpPKzY8b2MfiPmY7p+HeG5mNE= ; Message-ID: <20060130042921.63765.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:29:21 EST Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:29:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tailor mannequins X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:30:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD964A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 00:11:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U5BDI9008709 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:11:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U5B634031454; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:11:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U5AiMK034768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:10:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U5Agdv007333; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:10:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U5Adef007305 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.112] (acty2112.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.112]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956F75C157 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:10:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43DD9FC8.2040800@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:10:32 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:11:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DD9FEA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Robin. There were a whole series of articles written in a variety of languages in Waffen und Kostumkunde in the 70s and 80s. Some of the authors are still around. I have found many specialists out there, though, that handle detail info (shoes, clothes fastenings, etc.) that work at a few of the European museums. What are you looking for specifically? By this I mean nationality, sex of wearer (I say this mostly because the majority of the work seems to be directed towards women's fashions, IMO) etc. Mike T. >If you were looking for information on 16th c. costume in written sources, >whose research/publications would you seek, other than Janet Arnold's? > >And: Does anyone know if Jane Ashelford is still active, and if so, where >she can be located? > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 00:39:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U5dYhs009469 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:39:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U5dRQV007728; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:39:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U5d2mA038228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:39:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U5cxwm024912; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U5ctpE024859 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5531E2E324 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:38:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:39:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060129192550.02882640@mail.alltel.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:39:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DDA68F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks everyone for the information. This helps immensely. :) De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 04:25:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U9Pcde009078 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:25:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U9PVWP009348; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:25:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U9Nmmb061854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U9NhGp056135; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:23:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U9NdRx056033 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:23:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0U9NWG10996.; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:23:32 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:23:31 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:23:23 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0U9NdRx056033 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:25:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DDDB8B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> claning@igc.org 29/01/2006 21:17 >>> wrote: >Also, I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had >great success bringing over packages of "Jelly Bellies" jelly beans. >She says you can't get them in Britain (and they actually are quite >good). You can get them, actually, in the more "exclusive" kind of sweetshop. I've bought them for friends' children in the past from those displays of "gift foods" they have in department stores before Christmas. I'd say they were still uncommon enough over here to make a very acceptable gift, though. ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 04:26:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U9QlHs009180 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:26:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U9QeFH008775; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:26:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U9QK7h062376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U9QKFG057645; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0U9QFKF057601 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:26:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 17582 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 09:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 09:26:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060130092102.01dd1a50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:26:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions In-Reply-To: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com> References: <027214D4-93DF-4F04-A37B-C53CB335633E@alfalfapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:26:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DDDBD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:24 27/01/2006, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about >London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids >in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is >keen on museums and quite fine with being hauled through museum after >museum is delighted with the prospect. My son, however, is *not* in >anyway keen on the idea of museums. He asked about whether there are >any water parks in London. I had to admit I didn't know as my nose >is usually pressed against the glass of some museum display or >another whenever I visit London. > >So what is there to do in London (and elsewhere) for an active >athletic lad of 12? Can anyone recommend websites? > >To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- >enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly >"authentic" costuming? I'm a bit behind as I was away. There are no water parks in London, although you might find indoor swimming pools in the suburbs that have some small extras. Your son might like the Science Museum - full of technical stuff if he is that way inclined, or Madame Tussaud's and the Planetarium. Also weaponry at the Tower of London, HMS Belfast (Navy ship) on the Thames - my son was very "fighting" orientated at that age. Don't have addresses - Carpal Tunnel playing up so having problems typing - sorry. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 04:33:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U9Wva2010111 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:32:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0U9WoAQ011259; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:32:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0U9U7IP062814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U9U6Kp059561; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f20.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U9U3pa059499 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:30:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:30:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.141.61.88] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601300015.k0U0FcZW036674@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:30:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 09:30:02.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF2E3A70:01C6257F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 16th century and gifts for Brits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:32:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DDDD42.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > > I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems > > to be a gap here in current work :-( Have you tried contacting the V&A? I'm sure there must be somewhere there who specialises in this area. > >I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had >great success bringing over packages of "Jelly Bellies" jelly beans. >She says you can't get them in Britain (and they actually are quite >good). >Apropos of Hogwarts, I've seen Jelly Bellies packages of "Bertie >Bott's Every Flavor" beans -- though they thoughtfully leave out all >the nasty ones :) Is there really no one doing that in Britain? You can get Jelly Bellies here now, although I'm not sure how widespread they are, and we do have the Hogwarts beans, too. Someone suggested Hershey's Kisses - I would say don't bother as I have a LONG list of people in America to whom I send British chocolate on a regular basis because they say it is so much nicer than American chocolate. Having tasted US chocolate, I can only agree. If your hosts are at all interested in fabric or sewing, fabrics are a lot cheaper in the US than they are here, so that might be worth exploring. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 06:14:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UBEvgs001481 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:14:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UBEncG005632; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:14:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UBELEO074826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:14:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UBEGNQ018058; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc2-s15.bay6.hotmail.com (omc2-s15.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.249.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UBEBT9017962 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.89]) by omc2-s15.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:14:06 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:14:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:14:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43DD69E2.8010407@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:14:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 11:14:06.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[48992E60:01C6258E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:14:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DDF529.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I also thought it was a great site, but lacks ordering information... Please be careful with printed backgrounds under the text areas, the two together strobe to my eyes, not a good think for migraine sufferers or epileptics Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Red Bear" > > Very nice, only one point, the background color is a bit jarring. It's > most likely just me, but some pattern back there would be nice. > Stephen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 06:24:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UBOHvc003061 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:24:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UBOAb2008977; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:24:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UBNYfQ075784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:23:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UBNXfx023519; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:23:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc3-s31.bay6.hotmail.com (omc3-s31.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.249.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UBNUJP023445 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:23:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.91]) by omc3-s31.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:23:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:23:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:23:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060130042921.63765.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailor mannequins Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:23:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 11:23:24.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[9571EBE0:01C6258F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:24:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DDF75A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! They are the manekins we use at school. They are wonderfully sturdy, not squishy at all though, if you might be looking for something for squishing a corset on to. For tailoring, they are great, because they pull off their bases, and so can be laid down on a table to form the Hymos over. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: "Historical Costume List" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] Tailor mannequins > Has anyone here have any experience with this company? > I am in the market for a male, and if there are good > reviews, a plus female mannequin. Even their heir base > model looks pretty good. Price isn't too terrible, > either for what you're getting. > > http://www.fabulousfit.com/ > > Any opinions or suggestions eagerly welcome. > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it. > -Ivan Panin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 06:56:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UBuT8P013390 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:56:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UBuMYm019148; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:56:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UBtmeb079257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UBtkAD041672; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:55:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UBth4L041630 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.87.106] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3XdG-0002qG-2s for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:55:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:54:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca38dc491f38f09e60cfda15a4b5bac70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.87.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gifts for Brits (was: 16th century and gifts for Brits) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:56:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DDFEE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 9:30 AM +0000 1/30/06, Kate Cole wrote: >Someone suggested Hershey's Kisses - I would say don't bother as I >have a LONG list of people in America to whom I send British >chocolate on a regular basis because they say it is so much nicer >than American chocolate. Having tasted US chocolate, I can only >agree. Chocolate is a matter of taste, and fairly unpredictable taste, at that. I have two long lists -- one of people who much prefer either Hershey's chocolate specifically, or American chocolate generally, over British chocolate, and another of people who prefer British chocolate over Hershey's chocolate specifically or American chocolate generally. And there are both Americans and British folks on both lists. Actually, there is a third list -- people who like all kinds of different chocolate, British or American. And then there is the dark chocolate vs. milk chocolate thing (again, with 3 lists), not to mention the Belgian vs. everything else, premium vs. mass market, etc... In any case, on the subject of candy as food gifts for English hosts, for a sort of entertainingly twisted gift, consider also things like Cinnamon Altoids -- even though the company is a British one, and the mints are made in Britain, apparently you can't get the non-original flavours in Britain (at least not in London, according to my recent house guest who was both delighted and frustrated to discover the existence of Cinnamon Altoids). However, going back to the chocolate theme, and for a more local flavor (that is, local to Chris, not her hosts), there is also See's Candies. (For those who live outwith the See's region, See's is a California based chocolate maker that is not only a local institution/tradition, but also got high marks from Consumer Reports when they did their premium chocolate comparison issue.) I also echo the other suggestions -- local cookbooks (esp. ones with lots of pretty pictures of the place as well as the food), California wine (if you know your wines, this can be especially good if you find a really good small winery whose wines aren't sold in Britain). Another thought is some small piece by a local artist/craftsman -- especially one made out of particularly Californian materials (e.g., redwood) or with a particularly Californian (or more local) theme. Sharon PS For regular chocolate I am one of those who like all kinds -- I am only picky when it comes to white chocolate, where I prefer "milk" white chocolate (that is, white chocolate that has at least 25% milk content and so a more milky flavour and texture) and don't really like the non-milk varieties. Alas, in the US it is very hard to find milk white chocolate (especially at a reasonable price) -- I miss my big Milky Bars!!! (Which is what the previously mentioned house guest brings me from London, much to his disgust, as he thinks all white chocolate is an abomination ;-) ObCostume: So, for those familiar with See's -- what era is the inspiration/origin of their uniforms? (See for an example.) It strikes me as somehow earlier rather than later 20th century, but the 20th century isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 07:28:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCSjOg016656 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCSciB015210; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UCRxkm082580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UCRxEf060305; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0U9Cwji050286 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86496 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 09:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 09:12:56 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060130090937.01dc9e78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:12:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? In-Reply-To: <20060129134612.4zvovuzgqrvo8s4s@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060129134612.4zvovuzgqrvo8s4s@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE0676.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 19:46 29/01/2006, you wrote: >Quoting Robin Netherton : > >> >>On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: >> >>>There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of >>>print. Published, I think in the 50's. >> >>I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems >>to be a gap here in current work :-( > >Probably Ninya Mikhaila >http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/costumes2.html > >She's the lady doing the Tudor Tailor book. Those who've seen advanced >copies proclaim it better than Janet Arnold's work. > >http://www.tudortailor.com/ I did one of the proof reads of this book, and in my opinion it is not "better" but "different". The patterns are not taken from original garments as were Janet Arnold's, but based on considerable research and practical use. The text is comprehensive and detailed. The book will be a great addition to the current range. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 07:28:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCSjYQ016657 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCScY2029168; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UCSD4t082629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UCSDSC060517; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0UA0fgn077736 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 35814 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 10:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 10:00:40 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060130095532.01dc2ae0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:56:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE0676.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 09:23 30/01/2006, you wrote: >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >>> claning@igc.org 29/01/2006 21:17 >>> wrote: > > >Also, I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had > >great success bringing over packages of "Jelly Bellies" jelly beans. > >She says you can't get them in Britain (and they actually are quite > >good). > >You can get them, actually, in the more "exclusive" kind of >sweetshop. I've bought them for friends' children in the past from >those displays of "gift foods" they have in department stores before >Christmas. I'd say they were still uncommon enough over here to make >a very acceptable gift, though. My husband bought me a tub of Jelly Bellies for Christmas from our local Sainsbury's where they are regularly on sale, but we do live in London. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 07:28:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCSjCM016658 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCScdR031599; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UCS75K082611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UCS76Y060413; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0UA0gdL077744 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 35822 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 10:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 10:00:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060130095738.01dc3c58@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:00:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoppelande question In-Reply-To: <20060129181511.0cog8ftbgnc4kkk4@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060129181511.0cog8ftbgnc4kkk4@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE0676.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 00:15 30/01/2006, you wrote: >Question about houppelandes ... > >I've seen bands of fur at the bottom (i.e., hem) of the women's >"cotehardie," at the bottom of sideless surcoats, and at the bottom of >men's *short* houppelandes -- but what about a woman's long >houppelande? I inherited one from the estate of a dear friend -- she >always wore hers unbelted -- but if I belt it, it's going to be too >short. I thought of a band of fur/velvet at the hem -- just curious as >to if it was ever done. Look for paintings by Rogier van der Weyden, "The Magdalene Reading" and "The Altarpiece of the Seven Sacraments" in particular. The gowns are completely fur lined but have a border of fur showing, so you could "cheat it". Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 07:31:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCV2HW016723 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:31:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UCUtgZ032579; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:30:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UCQRS9082385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UCQNKN059084; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0U5MEpR014540 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07343 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:52:00 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:51:59 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? In-Reply-To: <43DD9FC8.2040800@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:30:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE06FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, Robin. There were a whole series of articles written in a variety of > languages in Waffen und Kostumkunde in the 70s and 80s. Some of the > authors are still around. I have found many specialists out there, > though, that handle detail info (shoes, clothes fastenings, etc.) that > work at a few of the European museums. What are you looking for > specifically? By this I mean nationality, sex of wearer (I say this > mostly because the majority of the work seems to be directed towards > women's fashions, IMO) etc. Mike T. Not any particular costume information; I'm looking for someone to consult on the methodology of a project involving the use of early 16th c. English historical documents in costume research -- someone familiar with the particular range of available documents in this period and their applicability. If it were a particular costume question, I'd have an easier time! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 08:02:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UD2b2B017240 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:02:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UD2U8j011689; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:02:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UD2CnM090472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UD28jw084531; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UD24mo084473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0UCuUGr024174 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:56:30 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:56:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43DE0E4B.4060206@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:02:03 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoppelande question References: <20060129181511.0cog8ftbgnc4kkk4@www.goldsword.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060130095738.01dc3c58@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060130095738.01dc3c58@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:02:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE0E66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suzi Clarke wrote: > Look for paintings by Rogier van der Weyden, "The Magdalene Reading" and > "The Altarpiece of the Seven Sacraments" in particular. The gowns are > completely fur lined but have a border of fur showing, so you could > "cheat it". I saw a sculpture of a man in a houp and was able to look inside the folds at the hem; the fur stopped a bit inside, just as if it were edging. Now, whether or not this was artistic shorthand, I can't say. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent US postage with medieval images on it: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/1160846 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 08:04:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UD4u2Z017275 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UD4nci012549; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UD4Svo091451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UD4REO086342; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0UD4M5F086266 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from naergilien@yahoo.de) Message-Id: <200601301304.k0UD4M5F086266@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 33188 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 13:04:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=Received:From:To:Date:X-Mailer:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jn71JWqblIdrxIpdx6Y1n7Vl8m8JnYVoSOH3ZBisVNXen9X8dRiJgnMohReN7VWzZ1t8w17SJNk2QCVVlhaJSAQSBhT3prPM5Sm7sVuG2SbmM/4fm03U4eL7CZ5lpcoZIDy9eL068Q/iPmCFEyfWAZMJCSL1+3PBEJgEkJHvbUQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO pc4) (naergilien@84.143.247.47 with login) by smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 13:04:22 -0000 From: Sabine Pothmann To: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:03:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Vivian Mail [327.0209010] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0UD4M5F086266 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: fashion dolls again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE0EF1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi all, I might be a bit late on this subject, but... "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote on Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:07:54... >I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish >importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. Bjarne, it might be less expensive to buy those dolls directly in the US, on Ebay.com, instead of buying them from an importer. On Ebay.com you'll find several dealers who also sell nude dolls, which are just perfect for dressing them ;-) I've bought several of them this way when I started making doll costumes. See some of my doll costumes - mostly Victorian and Elizabethan - here: http://www.naergilien.info/dollclothing.htm I mostly make Victorian and Elizabethan clothing - not only dolls - but currently I'm about to make a Rococo gown for Tyler, with stays and panier, of course :-) >Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. Emme is just perfect, I also have her! She looks like Glenn Close, and with a reroot, she can act as a perfect Queen Elizabeth I. :-) I have Tyler, Emme, Kitty Collier (18''), Gene, Jadde Lee and Brenda Starr; they're beautiful to work with. Best wishes, Naergi ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 08:32:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDWB6Z017889 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:32:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDW41N022790; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UDVCkL002207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDV6Ce003913; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDV2ur003855 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:30:57 -0800 Message-ID: <43DE151F.9050103@msn.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:11 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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Speaking of which...what makes an expert? Someone who is already published? Someone who has a degree in history, research, costuming, or? Someone who has access to primary sources? I am reminded of someone who considered "themselves" (grammatically incorrect, but gender non-specific) an expert, but wrote off Mairead Dunlevy's book, Dress in Ireland, because she was "just a ceramics/pottery expert" writing about costume....??? Sorry if this offends anyone...not my intention. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 08:37:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDbwMX018018 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:37:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDbpv4024854; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UDVtqV002462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDVtoH004407; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDVqn2004372 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so736250wxc for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:31:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T2Su7h9LqNal5aGRapS+yhZwl2Jv5C8gIhbSWzMg5z8kZw+YBTACJ+dR58CxetqIvh0rM8jancsIzB7aZFMNseFO+lRcOY/RaW8seHotcIGNjV2oc85ZGoXYSfBC5uEJL7g5RYGgxqEbQEHkt5f1qyH3VrYeA2ganmuVqUiP+4I= Received: by 10.70.42.18 with SMTP id p18mr7151264wxp; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:31:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0601300531t22e6ca2cx340e96cdfe2213b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:31:52 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here's my show and tell... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0UDbwMX018018 Thanks, Susan. It's nice getting some feedback from someone other than family. Yes, I'm finding quite a bit of incredible (and interesting) infomation. Kristin On 1/28/06, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > Kristin, > > Your outfit looks great. Take your time and I'm sure it will be a > beautiful finished garment. > > I just joined a few days ago. This group is full of excellent > information. > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Kristin wrote: > > > I just joined the list in December... I was so excited to find a list > > with > > others interested in making costumes / reproduction clothing! > > > > I've always wanted to make something, feeling like I was born in the > > wrong > > century since I was a little girl. Now, I've finally begun working on > > a > > late 1700's "style" outfit. I say style, because it's cotton, and I'm > > sure > > the colors and prints are not exactly period either. > > > > It's still very much a work in progress, and keep in mind that it's my > > first > > attempt at a historically based outfit. > > > > I haven't figured out an easy way to create a link to the album, so I'm > > forwarding the link I sent to myself. > > > > Kristin > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: wiesenhutter@arcadia.edu > > Date: Jan 27, 2006 8:53 PM > > Subject: View my photos > > To: kristinolivia@gmail.com > > > > *Kristin has shared photos with you.* > > > > *Late > > 1700's Polonaise Gown* > > (1 album) > > You're invited to view my online photos at the Gallery. Enjoy! > > > > - Kristin > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 08:40:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDeU5l018072 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:40:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDeNu1026062; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UDe1dL005739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDe0xC009769; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDdw2L009746 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:39:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so737365wxc for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:39:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Sk/OIphxon3QIMBf8sLgUGq4TaFGAC+EVLHuj2BSDbw/U7cLL9A+i5N2KJhE/qLSt7u3XGGyuKcv/+hoJWkobFp9gDwa2GAc6QMRDnUAjJwnV3P2jDv8bK/KmTleHP1CbbAbpCEYjztXNXeAKRz43Xy0S1uPW9IqASudk8tJ3vc= Received: by 10.70.11.14 with SMTP id 14mr7139161wxk; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0601300539y7f63dd10h75da7276a2809f6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:39:57 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell In-Reply-To: <2c9.2a30685.310eb4bd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2c9.2a30685.310eb4bd@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:40:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE1747.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0UDeU5l018072 Hi Tea Rose, I haven't done enough research to know exactly when cotton was used in the US. I could be way off base, but I remember reading that it was later in the 1700's, and was from India (block prints)? It's the first time I've done any sort of quilting. I tried using the machine at first, but it bunched up the fabric so much that I decided to to it by hand, which is fine with me. I don't mind hand stitching at all. For tracing the pattern onto the fabric, I used the idea from the list... I took the glass from a side table and propped it between two pieces of furniture, and put a lamp underneath. Kristin On 1/29/06, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > > Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice > doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that > period. And > I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was > illegal > to import it in most of Europe. > > Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the quilting > pattern on the fabric print! > > Tea Rose > > P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women > spend that > kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy > handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, if > you wanted > to. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 08:52:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDqp53018520 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:52:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UDqi32030616; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:52:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UDqB02010831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:52:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDq4WG018206; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UDpucS017960 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.263.4db655f (58677) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:51:47 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <263.4db655f.310f73f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:51:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:52:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE1A2C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/30/06 1:32:59 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- > >enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly > >"authentic" costuming? Sorry - meant to reply to this a couple of days ago, and completely forgot ( too much work, too little time). Somebody mentioned livinghistory.co.uk as a way for finding a group - I'd recommend against it - it's a discussion board - participants have quite a limited range of interest, and more tha 3/4 are late medievaists (c.15th). Histrenact lists groups on it's website, and 'call to arms' can be bought by mail order (lists practically every group in the country along with contacts and what they do - and a few that aren't in the uk). had a word with Nige, too, and he suggests the jousting at the royal armouries (about two hours from london by train if you get the right train), and the early medieval alliance (I'm not sure what their kit is like as I've never seen it, but they apparently do the chivalric thing). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 09:27:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UERCm7019326 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:27:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UER5Wa013165; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:27:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UEQNMJ015896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UEQIWL043417; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:26:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UEQA7v043243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k0UEQ5f82223 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:26:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 30 Jan 2006 08:26:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:26:04 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:25:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:27:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE2239.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ola, Thank you so much for posting about this. I love Sharon's work and have been lucky enough to take a class from her. If anyone ever gets a chance to do so, grab it! I learned so much, especially about doing needlelace. I would second the suggestion to include ordering information, also what classes she is available/willing to teach. I know our local EGA group would like to bring her in. If she is not going to sell directly, maybe some links to websites that do (my favorite is Wyndham Needleworks). Thanks again, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 10:09:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UF96fU020136 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:09:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UF8xNL032345; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:09:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UF82aw022159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UF7wYR077081; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UF7pTM076956 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:07:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43DE2BD0.9020701@msn.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:08:00 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <43DD9FC8.2040800@dandy.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 15:07:45.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED1BB0F0:01C625AE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What makes and expert Was: 16th c. costume experts? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:09:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE2C0B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Whoops, email etiquette slipped, here is a repost with a different header... Sg WickedFrau wrote: > Speaking of which...what makes an expert? Someone who is already > published? Someone who has a degree in history, research, costuming, > or? Someone who has access to primary sources? I am reminded of > someone who considered "themselves" (grammatically incorrect, but > gender non-specific) an expert, but wrote off Mairead Dunlevy's book, > Dress in Ireland, because she was "just a ceramics/pottery expert" > writing about costume....??? > > Sorry if this offends anyone...not my intention. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 10:31:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UFVr44020676 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UFVk4q010103; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UFV4Q5026271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UFUroD098016; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:31:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UFUhCB097811 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12392 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:00:29 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:00:26 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:31:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE3162.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote: > Speaking of which...what makes an expert? Someone who is already > published? Someone who has a degree in history, research, costuming, > or? Someone who has access to primary sources? In my experience, the answer varies with the type of task at hand. Are you making a costume, trying to locate a historic document or artwork, analyzing a fashion trend, writing a textbook, creating a website? Different skills, knowledge, and research methods are useful in different types of cases. I routinely refer "academics" to "nonacademics" (hobbyists, re-enactors, independent scholars) if the latter has the knowledge that the academic lacks, and is doing something that is not being pursued in a formal academic context. It's a question of the finding the best person for the job. In the same way, there is a time when academic credentials or the equivalent are particularly meaningful: not just as a means of asserting that you can be sure this person has put in a certain number of years and produced a certain body of work that has passed inspection by other scholars, but also when you need authors/contributors for a scholarly book or encyclopedia, referees for a scholarly article, or advisors for a graduate student (for example). In such cases, part of what you're looking for is not just knowledge of a topic, but also an understanding of the research process, the academic degree process, or the publishing process. (My "day job" is as an editor. This is like the difference between a professional copyeditor and the friend who reads your manuscript. The friend may have a good eye and make useful suggestions, but s/he won't know the conventions of Chicago style, copyediting marks, or the editing process. Sharon Farmer once drew the distinction between the botanist and the gardener; same sort of thing.) I say "or the equivalent" because in this field (see below) it can be sufficient to prove the value of your work through nontraditional means. I am a prime example. I do not have a doctorate at all, and my graduate work is mostly in fields unrelated to costume (my relevant academic background is in English, with smatterings of social science, paleography, art history, and history). However, after years of working as an independent scholar, I have a long list of conference presentations, academic lecturing experience, a handful of publications in refereed journals, experience organizing and running conference sessions, and a decent enough reputation that I was asked to co-edit an academic journal. Yes, I could go back and get the doctorate at any time, but as my Ph.D-bearing friends say, "You're already doing what we had to earn a doctorate to get the chance to do. Why would you put yourself through the expense and stress?" However, if I wanted to teach at the college level, then I would absolutely need to have an advanced degree. I've found that people are more likely to cross the academic/nonacademic boundaries (and more likely to be accepted when doing so) in costume study as a field than in the more traditional academic fields, such as English/languages, history, economics, etc. That's probably because there is no established academic home for costume study, and very few places to pursue academic degrees. That is, if I were an English scholar, there are plenty of places to study, publish, and teach in that field, so if I chose not to work within that established structure in some way (a degree, or publication in referreed journals) yet still tried to claim I was a scholar in that field, I'd have a lot of trouble convincing people I was legitimate. Costume, though, does not have anywhere near the established avenues. People who pursue costume-related degrees often do so in departments of art history, theater, literature, women's studies, economics, etc. depending on their interest, and establish themselves as scholars in that field with costume as a specialty. Or they may come from outside the academic context, but build experience by doing and presenting research. Costume study also often is interdisciplinary, requiring knowledge from many fields (e.g. archaeology, paleography, art history, economics, social history), which leads to a lot of crossover: > I am reminded of someone who considered "themselves" (grammatically > incorrect, but gender non-specific) an expert, but wrote off Mairead > Dunlevy's book, Dress in Ireland, because she was "just a > ceramics/pottery expert" writing about costume....??? I wonder where that person would have expected to find someone who had more specific credentials, especially in the time that Dunlevy wrote (more than 15 years ago)? Granted, being a ceramics/pottery expert doesn't mean much when it comes to costume, but costume scholars come from all over. It's neither a reason to write someone off, nor a reason to embrace them. It all depends on the quality of the work itself, which might be good or bad. (I certainly have seen plenty of inadequate costume work done by people from other fields who simply don't realize how much else is out there beyond their own specialties, and simply don't realize they are not equipped to speak intelligently about costume. This is a problem that occurs both with academics and with nonacademics.) One of the things my partner Gale Owen-Crocker and I have made a point of doing, both in our conference sessions and in the journal we edit, is to open the avenues of presentation and publication to worthy independent researchers. There have been some years when half our speaker slate at Kalamazoo consists of re-enactors who have "crossed over" to academia, or who are making that crossover for the first time. We set a goal for every volume of our journal to include at least one paper based on reconstruction as a research method -- something that typically comes out of the living history community. We spend a lot of time educating our new speakers and authors, and there are several people on this list who can describe exactly how much they had to adapt when they moved from speaking or writing for fellow re-enactors or costumers, to speaking or writing for an academic audience with a rather different background and set of expectations. We think it's worth the effort to get good work to a broader audience, and to put good researchers into contact with the sources and scholars that can help them. --Robin sometimes called an expert _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 10:33:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UFXR7e020707 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:33:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UFXKoM007766; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:33:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UFX1Wb026861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:33:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UFWxnE000276; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:33:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UFWrso000134 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12438 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:02:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:02:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What makes and expert Was: 16th c. costume experts? 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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote: > Whoops, email etiquette slipped, here is a repost with a different > header... Heh -- and I've already answered under "16th c. costume experts"! Sorry! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 10:44:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UFiUsD020919 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:44:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UFiNP3015971; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UFhasJ029286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UFhYZq010434; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UFhSRs010276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3bBW-00056d-KW; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:43:18 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:43:18 -0600 Message-ID: <20060130094318.rg248hapxg0800go@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:43:18 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts? 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Quoting Suzi Clarke : > At 19:46 29/01/2006, you wrote: >> Quoting Robin Netherton : >> >>> >>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of >>>> print. Published, I think in the 50's. >>> >>> I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems >>> to be a gap here in current work :-( >> >> Probably Ninya Mikhaila >> http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/costumes2.html >> >> She's the lady doing the Tudor Tailor book. Those who've seen advanced >> copies proclaim it better than Janet Arnold's work. >> >> http://www.tudortailor.com/ > > > I did one of the proof reads of this book, and in my opinion it is > not "better" but "different". The patterns are not taken from > original garments as were Janet Arnold's, but based on considerable > research and practical use. The text is comprehensive and detailed. > The book will be a great addition to the current range. Cool. It's good to have another perspective on the book. I think that a possible couple of things that may have produced the "better" comment were color pictures and "real" patterns. 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoppelande question References: <20060129181511.0cog8ftbgnc4kkk4@www.goldsword.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060130095738.01dc3c58@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060130095738.01dc3c58@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:57:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE377F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Suzi Clarke : > At 00:15 30/01/2006, you wrote: > >> Question about houppelandes ... >> >> I've seen bands of fur at the bottom (i.e., hem) of the women's >> "cotehardie," at the bottom of sideless surcoats, and at the bottom of >> men's *short* houppelandes -- but what about a woman's long >> houppelande? I inherited one from the estate of a dear friend -- she >> always wore hers unbelted -- but if I belt it, it's going to be too >> short. I thought of a band of fur/velvet at the hem -- just curious as >> to if it was ever done. > > > Look for paintings by Rogier van der Weyden, "The Magdalene Reading" > and "The Altarpiece of the Seven Sacraments" in particular. The gowns > are completely fur lined but have a border of fur showing, so you > could "cheat it". Thanks! I knew that I'd seen it somewhere; I just couldn't pull the correct paintings out of my brain! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 11:09:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UG9PcA021520 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:09:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UG9IpS027654; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:09:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UG8Z5P033124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UG8Tsg032909; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UG8JQI032767 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:08:14 -0800 Message-ID: <43DE39FC.4020300@msn.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:08:28 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 16:08:14.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FA8F8F0:01C625B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: 16th Century "Nationality" Dress Characteristics...long] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:09:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE3A2E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sorry, I had sent this to the group owner "on accident". (Sheepish grin) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 16th Century "Nationality" Dress Characteristics...long Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:34 -0700 From: WickedFrau Reply-To: wickedfrau@msn.com To: h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com, TheRenaissanceTailor , thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com Sorry for the cross posts all, but last week someone posted this picture as part of another discussion and I was curious on your thoughts. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg (Grab your copy now folks while it is still up. In an attempt to find out more information from the Kunsthistorisches Museum, I inadvertently drew the attention of the PhotoMarburg staff to the its availability online, only to find out that they don't own the rights to the painting....it may disappear soon) This is also a painting by the same artist, Alonso Sanchez Coello. http://www.saragrace.net/images/Misc/MahoiteredSleeves/SPoptimized.jpg It appears in Modes and Manners by Max Von Boehn as a portrait of Mary Stuart attributed to Federigo Zuccero. As it turns out, the painting is no longer thought to be of Mary Queen of Scots. A pectoral cross that had been overpainted onto the original painting was removed in a 1950s cleaning. The keeper of the Chatsworth collection (where the painting currently resides) was able to tell me that the painting had been altered in order to sell it to a former owner as Mary Queen of Scots. It is now simply called a "Spanish Princess." I ordered a color copy of the same picture to use in my presentation at the Phoenix Art Museum, and though I may not share it with you, I can tell you that the outer gown is deep red and appears to be a velvet, and that the underskirt appears to be a gold damask. The partlet and sleeves match and appear to be raised work or even "lacy" like. There is incredible three dimensional work here. What struck me was the similarity in the sitters and I began to wonder if this might not be another picture of, either Isabella of Valois, or perhaps her sister, (Marguerite de Valois (May 14, 1553 – May 27, 1615) or even perhaps one of her daughters, ( Isabella Clara Eugenia December 8, 1566; – December 12,1633; and Catherina Michaella (October 10, 1567 – November 6, 1597). I suppose the skirt could be classified as "Spanish" due to its conical shape, the headpiece French? I have seen it referred to as an Escoffion or even as a French hood (neither of which strike me as being appropriate). Anyone know of anything conclusive that shows where the mahoitered sleeve originated? I have seen several in German dress..... Since the proposed sitters were of Italian descent, living in France and in the case of Isabella ending up in Spain, (and now the dang picture is in England) and we all know by now that the people were liberally wearing costumes from other countries, what makes this costume either French, Spanish, English, or Italian in your minds? (What strikes you as influences from each of those countries). I am in the processs of hunting down the history of the picture's ownership in hopes of discovering who the sitter is. This picture came to Chatsworth in approximately 1760 and I have traced the ownership back to someone living between 1566 and 1643. Does anyone know the habits of painting collectors at this time? Would they only have purchase paintings they thought to have been their relatives, or would they collect paintings of any famous personage? Whew, thanks for taking the time to read all this....looking forward to hearing your opinions. 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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:59:39 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:37:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE40C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Costume, though, does not have anywhere near the established avenues. > People who pursue costume-related degrees often do so in > departments of > art history, theater, literature, women's studies, economics, etc. > depending on their interest, and establish themselves as scholars > in that > field with costume as a specialty. Or they may come from outside the > academic context, but build experience by doing and presenting > research. I can heartily agree with this. I am working on a doctorate in cultural and historical apparel so I've been keenly interested in job postings. I have not seen a single one (and I certainly may have missed some) come across my desk that didn't have fashion merchandising as the main focus. It's why I have an anthropology minor. I don't see me continuing in apparel departments, but I can find a place in anthropology. And don't get me started on grants, etc. Or the lack thereof in our field. My research is an out-of-the- book anthropological ethnographic study, but because I am in an apparel department, there is little to no grant money available, unless I get an anthropology prof to sponsor it. So all my research money is out of pocket which will limit what I can do. It's enough to make one cranky. Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 11:56:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UGum68022850 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:56:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UGudog019855; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:56:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UGrrLl041652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UGrpYk083164; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UGrntF083121 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1140339nzo for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:53:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BB0bDPtEpqE8QdTM/3lAqh7KHwNe424dMwd0PZ/Sh7hc6DHzolJOPBMmRgm+pwAJKbK7NTzGF/VRvB+IcXM8r+a4LQzXfGuCZAmD3wvuL+SgXO9NFd/pbURiKWUNqulxOCgaL8ss9YAFZ9x7RpZnfMNNofqZvswaGLyTbOzNlmc= Received: by 10.64.96.3 with SMTP id t3mr296420qbb; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:53:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:53:48 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0UGrntF083121 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: costume experts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:56:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE4547.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin inquired: > I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems > to be a gap here in current work :-( The authors of Moda Firenze, Lo Stylo di Eleanora can be found at the Pitti Palace. There are other extant 16th wardrobe inventories & logs, very much like those referenced in PoF and Moda Firenza. I think there's one for Clara Eugenie's closet. (You know her portrait: the spanish princess with the dwarf). --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 12:28:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UHS2Cp023511 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:28:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UHRthE003682; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UHPGxY048020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHP8KC018634; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHOx32018431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UHOqAr008661 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:24:52 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:24:36 -0500 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: "Historical Costume" , Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifts for Brits (was: 16th century and gifts for Brits) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:27:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE4C9B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi All, Since I sent in the Hershey's example - I tend to agree with Sharon. I have friends in Scotland that love Hershey's kisses because they are different. When I visit that's usually what I take. But when I come back to the U.S. I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps...different stuff is nice to have... Just a matter of taste...but I do like to check in with all my pals across the pond to see if they would like anything new or non-food or different. Have a great one, Rhonda PS my favs are crunchie bars and tablet...YUM! But here in the U.S. it's twix or dark chocs....or just food : P Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 12:35:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UHZCsO023665 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UHZ5LS007317; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UHY3Wr049410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHXwm2027627; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:33:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHXpQX027491 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C118D41BEC for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43dc7837.18158 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D3k36ai6G+AIAAAAB,254927ccc4923754475d9f3a42347e77 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060130093346.15347BD5@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE4E49.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! <--- Red Bear wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UHfqBm023825 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UHfjtc010473; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UHfBGV050623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHf5Lq034951; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:41:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHepvK034680 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:40:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13576 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:10:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:10:36 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: costume experts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE4FDA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote: > Robin inquired: > > I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems > > to be a gap here in current work :-( > > The authors of Moda Firenze, Lo Stylo di Eleanora can be found at the > Pitti Palace. There seems to be a great deal going on in 16th c. Italian documentary study right now. (The Medici online project is of particular interest.) My concern for the moment was English, I'm afraid. > There are other extant 16th wardrobe inventories & logs, very much > like those referenced in PoF and Moda Firenza. The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and realizing that I would never be able to get anything out of it without a few refresher courses in paleography and Latin, some background in 14th c. monetary systems, a minimum of three to five years of full-time work, and grant money to cover living expenses in England for the duration. (And that's assuming I had no family obligations, which I do.) A good life's work, but alas, not for my life. Elizabethan documents have been comparatively well-studied, probably because they tend to be more readable, and they're mostly in English. Eva Andersson has been working in Scandinavian documents, a number of people in Italian, and I'm sure there are people out there doing French and others -- but most are publishing in their native languages. My specialty is Franco-Flemish, and my French isn't bad, but my Flemish is almost nonexistent. Given my druthers, that would be my next language, but perhaps not enough time in this life even for that. (And I have no clue where I'd go to learn medieval Flemish. Probably have to start with modern Dutch.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 13:00:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UI04sD024238 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:00:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UHxvYk019172; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:00:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UHxXgC053676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHxTgn060698; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UHxAOd060312 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:59:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2d7.19e51cc (58808) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:58:26 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2d7.19e51cc.310fadc1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:58:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:00:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE541D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/29/2006 8:37:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: would appreciate any input on it would like to >> find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as >> possible. I use Internet Explorer and it was fine. And I think the colors work okay--obviously, you are echoing the colors in the purse. I think the green background is fine--from one comment, I was expecting something much brighter than what I saw--and the button color is okay, albeit perhaps a tad bright, but trying to match the colors from your photo was, I'm sure, a challenge and you may not be able to get an exact match. I personally think a patterned/textured background is not necessary, as the needlework is the star--some textured backgrounds are just too busy and make the text hard to read. Just my opinion. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 13:08:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UI8bRg024425 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:08:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UI8USC023566; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:08:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UI6lYJ055294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UI6fhG068440; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:06:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UI6Xv1068211 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.f7.61171d28 (16035) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d20 (mblk-d20.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.12]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea343de55a0214; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:06:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F3DF042C4088-D80-918@mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com> From: taniampembroke@aol.com References: <2d7.19e51cc.310fadc1@aol.com> Received: from 70.149.87.74 by mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:06:24 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <2d7.19e51cc.310fadc1@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.12 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:08:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE561E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Can somebody send me the link? I missed that email. tHANKS -----Original Message----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:58:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen In a message dated 1/29/2006 8:37:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: would appreciate any input on it would like to >> find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as >> possible. I use Internet Explorer and it was fine. And I think the colors work okay--obviously, you are echoing the colors in the purse. I think the green background is fine--from one comment, I was expecting something much brighter than what I saw--and the button color is okay, albeit perhaps a tad bright, but trying to match the colors from your photo was, I'm sure, a challenge and you may not be able to get an exact match. I personally think a patterned/textured background is not necessary, as the needlework is the star--some textured backgrounds are just too busy and make the text hard to read. Just my opinion. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 13:12:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UICMOo024492 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:12:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UICCYl025734; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:12:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UIAJr5056071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UIAIag072269; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:10:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f8.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UIAEUD072103 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:10:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:10:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.137.5.64] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601301332.k0UDVtFF004417@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:10:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 18:10:08.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[6723E390:01C625C8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Lots of different replies (most of them OT, sorry) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:12:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE56FC.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! RE: things to do in London for 12-year-old boys - the London Dungeon (www.thedungeons.com) used to be much appreciated in my family, although I remember some of our friends finding it too scary. I haven't been there for at least 20 years, but it was gruesome in a way that boys in the 70s used to enjoy... Re: white chocolate: "Which is what the previously mentioned house guest brings me from London, much to his disgust, as he thinks all white chocolate is an abomination ;-) " IT IS an abomination!! I think white chocolate is pure evil disguised as confectionery!! >See some of my doll costumes - mostly Victorian and Elizabethan - here: >http://www.naergilien.info/dollclothing.htm >I mostly make Victorian and Elizabethan clothing - not only dolls - but >currently I'm about to make a Rococo gown for Tyler, >with stays and panier, of course :-) Naergi, these are lovely. That Mina outfit with the embroidered leaves has always been a favourite of mine and yours is such a sweet reproduction! Re: Fabulous Fit dress forms - I have one of the ones that you pad to your own size/shape, but looking at the website it seems as though they've branched out into more fixed-size forms since I bought it. It's not great, and I've never been able to get it to stand up straight, which frustrates the heck out of me. I find the padding system unsatisfactory, too, because you're never going to get it perfect. As soon as I can afford it, I'll be buying something else, even if it does have fixed measurements. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 13:14:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIEunD024553 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:14:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIEnj9027114; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:14:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UI9Lbr055800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UI9Low071225; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UI9Jax071184 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1156852nzo for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:09:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WmgNxi8O47bYoYa8/q2xmnkkYcnoR2bwvHmJdkgaxmwtMO3dY3vFw7xq4hQEGURVdpYD4dn+HKbXtzyVxJ5nLQLwIJNEDd8SFjcRgL9F8M+M0tYAGyILC6lt981nVmXAn1Xb2bwzH8IBXZSUyFA6LFrrM8es62+O8IUAomNDvPk= Received: by 10.64.96.20 with SMTP id t20mr318145qbb; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:09:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:09:18 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0UI9Jax071184 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Geek fashion chic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:14:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE5799.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Take a look at: http://news.zdnet.com/2300-9595_22-6030151-1.html --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 13:33:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIXY7h024976 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:33:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIXRbj003610; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:33:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UIWwhM060322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UIWAaM095324; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0UIW2gD095127 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77285 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2006 18:31:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SxN8ccnZcjTN17RTXLS650Z5SZwGxRTLXmImVPycx6XiJuTrTEx6sMegnjNNlOffvJHt7RShYCktHn7mf9j/9z+fptDUwcacF2C3ITSKuqTcxWcrM3EwggdTwO4equhhXKEN1E1QtjBRoGYpoR3IrQVquoPPku9O2LpymQtnYNk= ; Message-ID: <20060130183153.77283.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:31:53 PST Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601301227.k0UCQtDQ059430@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:18c X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:33:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE5BF7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <2c9.2a30685.310eb4bd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that period. And I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was illegal to import it in most of Europe. Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the quilting pattern on the fabric print! Tea Rose P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women spend that kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, if you wanted to. Kristin Very nice, Now, if you're ready to go the authentic route...... The quilted petticoat is great, I really want one of those, and never seem to have the time...... Is is silk? For stays, look at the butterick pattern, . I forget the# . If you want to go more authentic, Mara Riley who is on this list sometimes has really good directions to go that way, otherwise , it is a simple pattern that you can find for 99 cents sometimes. Cotton is a constant source of discussion, which is why I stay away from it., but then, I'm on the dark side of authentic, rather than heading to the light of straight costume Are you just doing it for the doing, or are you going to use it somewhere? 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 13:33:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIXkhi024980 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:33:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIXe5a002593; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:33:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UITQe9059829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UITLfL092581; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UITIkp092527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0UIT0x6028163 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:07 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65516.64.156.242.51.1138645747.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <200601300015.k0U0FcZW036674@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] gifts for Brits From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:33:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE5C04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Someone suggested Hershey's Kisses - An Engish friend of mine is a big fan of Hershey's chocolate and enjoyed a trip to Hershey Park. What they don't have are York peppermint patties. Not even in York, sadly enough. They have the After 8 Mints, but not so much the thick patties. I don't think they have Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, either. What they REALLY don't have are Girl Scout cookies. I brought a couple boxes of thin mints one time, and the person who enjoyed them the most was an American who never seemed to visit his parents during cookie season. Things I liked to bring back are finally available in the US - Lush bath products. And while I can't find cloudy lemonade, Whole Foods has a nice italian version that's nice. No brownies, either, although when I have a chance I make them over there to great cheers. That's fun, shopping for ingredients and trying to convert the measurements! And full round to being on-topic, Brownies and Girl Scouts wear uniforms that have changed through the years with fashion. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 13:56:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIuAIm025525 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:56:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UIu3re013913; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:56:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UIsOjG064048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:54:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UIsMkm016013; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UIsJkp015962 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so790935wxc for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cNYLIuoptJQ5bLnDRDZHe5H01AylLGD0sUyrvVOCKDEgbtfr9GsySEsq4KXAN+r9kZH7QXXuGx/o3yCmVaaV6H0TdTdnmQ+4jLIE7I5F/QoAYdzy2RvtPSGl/nyhfmE+c9WJM404+kT4qgvalgJH//lAMNyp1Gw4HhurypoJZok= Received: by 10.70.40.5 with SMTP id n5mr3736994wxn; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0601301054k3555cc46v560a7fb423db91ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:54:19 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c In-Reply-To: <20060130183153.77283.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200601301227.k0UCQtDQ059430@net.indra.com> <20060130183153.77283.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:56:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE6143.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0UIuAIm025525 Hi Mia, The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I do have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with what's affordable. Kristin On 1/30/06, Mia Dappert wrote: > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST > From: TeaRoseS@aol.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <2c9.2a30685.310eb4bd@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice > doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that > period. And > I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was > illegal > to import it in most of Europe. > > Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the quilting > pattern on the fabric print! > > Tea Rose > > P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women spend > that > kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy > handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, if > you wanted > to. > > > Kristin > > Very nice, Now, if you're ready to go the authentic route...... > > The quilted petticoat is great, I really want one of those, and never > seem to have the time...... Is is silk? > > For stays, look at the butterick pattern, . I forget the# . If you want > to go more authentic, Mara Riley who is on this list sometimes has really > good directions to go that way, otherwise , it is a simple pattern that you > can find for 99 cents sometimes. > > Cotton is a constant source of discussion, which is why I stay away from > it., but then, I'm on the dark side of authentic, rather than heading to the > light of straight costume > > Are you just doing it for the doing, or are you going to use it somewhere? > > 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC > > > > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 14:37:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UJb3cV026488 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UJauZH000629; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:36:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UJZvEW072388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UJZqUx056867; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UJZm1Z056782 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so1232281nzd for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:35:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VwJVm3GX26401Eb1PqodutMdacXvhHws1n8FJ09uWtRdwBNsSHn7TE3wrw68RxYjbl9esT5DYWecTRCNLNAPnQ4KU+Ub3dtbiUSzeYEss7LwL48L1/TQwAifD5cLhzdUaffRo3mS7hZ6PWvxu5B928SBZsAiumaR9MTpptJJNDo= Received: by 10.64.96.20 with SMTP id t20mr343016qbb; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:28:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:28:56 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0UJZm1Z056782 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:36:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE6AD8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been >studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life >was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and Cool! I had no idea one even existed! >realizing that I would never be able to get anything out of it without a >few refresher courses in paleography and Latin, some background in 14th c. >monetary systems, a minimum of three to five years of full-time work, and >grant money to cover living expenses in England for the duration. Wouldnt it be cool to Wiki a never-before annotated inventory? Even tho most of us are just amateurs & fashion fans, I'm sure we'd have some interesting things to say on so many topics. While none of us could complete the task, we'd make a nice start. The only annotate French inventory that I know of, and have skimmed bits of, is the accounts of the Dukes of Lorraine. It's not the wardrobe accts, but the accts of the entire estate, but, fashionwise, it does include everything from fabric buys to livery gifts. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 14:55:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UJthaZ027018 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UJta9S009508; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UJodJd075975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UJobfa072068; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:50:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UJoYXc071994 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from guenievre@erminespot.com) Received: from JS (nsc69.38.51-209.newsouth.net [69.38.51.209]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2B9EE8B4 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:50:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Guenievre de Monmarche" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:54:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c625d6$eeaef3f0$2301a8c0@tereckoffice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYl1OC241MoafuOTHC39K1uTqsyBQAAf0OQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0UJoYXc071994 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE6F38.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Do you have publication accounts on the Dukes of Lorraine book? That sounds fascinating! Guenièvre > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Cin > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:29 PM > To: h-cost > Subject: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories > > >The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been > >studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life > >was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- > and > > Cool! I had no idea one even existed! > > >realizing that I would never be able to get anything out of it without > a > >few refresher courses in paleography and Latin, some background in 14th > c. > >monetary systems, a minimum of three to five years of full-time work, > and > >grant money to cover living expenses in England for the duration. > > Wouldnt it be cool to Wiki a never-before annotated inventory? Even > tho most of us are just amateurs & fashion fans, I'm sure we'd have > some interesting things to say on so many topics. While none of us > could complete the task, we'd make a nice start. > The only annotate French inventory that I know of, and have skimmed > bits of, is the accounts of the Dukes of Lorraine. It's not the > wardrobe accts, but the accts of the entire estate, but, fashionwise, > it does include everything from fabric buys to livery gifts. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 15:15:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKFHKv027620 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:15:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKFANS019287; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UKEcmM080001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKEZAm092976; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKEWKI092838 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1f4.1a203d42 (15899) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-3e1b43de739f3d7; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:14:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0601301054k3555cc46v560a7fb423db91ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601301227.k0UCQtDQ059430@net.indra.com> <20060130183153.77283.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33a78bfb0601301054k3555cc46v560a7fb423db91ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <937c6295a62f541888bc0f2b566a1061@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:14:22 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:15:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE73CE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0UKFHKv027620 Boning for stays and corsets can be ordered from www.corsetmaking.com Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 30, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Kristin wrote: > Hi Mia, > > The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it > would > at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. > > I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting > a > second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own > pattern - > but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is > whether > to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which > type... > and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already > purchased a > yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and > red. > > I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween > next > year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding > dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying > to > avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although > I do > have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a > sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, > I may > risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with > what's > affordable. > > Kristin > > > On 1/30/06, Mia Dappert wrote: >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST >> From: TeaRoseS@aol.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Message-ID: <2c9.2a30685.310eb4bd@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your >> bodice >> doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that >> period. And >> I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was >> illegal >> to import it in most of Europe. >> >> Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the >> quilting >> pattern on the fabric print! >> >> Tea Rose >> >> P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women >> spend >> that >> kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy >> handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, >> if >> you wanted >> to. >> >> >> Kristin >> >> Very nice, Now, if you're ready to go the authentic route...... >> >> The quilted petticoat is great, I really want one of those, and never >> seem to have the time...... Is is silk? >> >> For stays, look at the butterick pattern, . I forget the# . If you >> want >> to go more authentic, Mara Riley who is on this list sometimes has >> really >> good directions to go that way, otherwise , it is a simple pattern >> that you >> can find for 99 cents sometimes. >> >> Cotton is a constant source of discussion, which is why I stay away >> from >> it., but then, I'm on the dark side of authentic, rather than heading >> to the >> light of straight costume >> >> Are you just doing it for the doing, or are you going to use it >> somewhere? >> >> 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Bring words and photos together (easily) with >> PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 15:49:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKmwTx028379 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:49:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKmpPZ002710; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:48:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UKlurF085694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKlm2Z023383; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKli1S023189 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295FC57 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B8E8D8 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:35 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:35 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re:18c Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:47:34 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B073BE023@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re:18c Thread-Index: AcYl0iINDbo0slu4QT2VcW+1IOyH1QACrErw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 20:47:35.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[66320780:01C625DE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0UKli1S023189 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:48:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE7BB3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before > starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to > draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to > start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic > boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... > and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've > already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards > of cotton twill in white and red. I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10" difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic "melts" into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). I've used the metal boning and bought sized-to-fit. Which is not the cheapest route, by a long shot but it is easy. Reed is also do-able, much cheaper and doesn't require fancy tools. You can get some from Saundra Ros Altman's Past Patterns - I got mine for this http://www.pastpatterns.com/030.html pattern kit, but I believe she sells them separately. I'm told you can get other size/shapes of reeds via basket weaving supply stores, but I haven't looked into that much yet. Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 15:49:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKn5NG028382 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:49:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKmwps002233; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:49:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UKmMaD085787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKmLHO024071; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKmGh7023906 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D513A1F77 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:48:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43DBD88E.9070405@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:48:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c References: <200601301227.k0UCQtDQ059430@net.indra.com> <20060130183153.77283.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33a78bfb0601301054k3555cc46v560a7fb423db91ec@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0601301054k3555cc46v560a7fb423db91ec@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:49:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE7BBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kristin wrote: > Hi Mia, > > The other question, is whether > to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... > and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a > yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. > I thought that 18th century stays used whalebone, which would make the plastic boning a good substitute. Or cable ties, which can be had in bundles by the hundred from hardware stores. Cut with scissors. 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Quoting sunshine_buchler@agilent.com: > > I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic > boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two > types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing > it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have > about a 10" difference between ribcage and bust line - almost > entirely in the front - the plastic "melts" into my curvy shape, > rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic > tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, > too!). > Thanks for that piece of advice. We have much the same problem -- I boned an Italian bodice with That Stuff, and found that those ends do indeed hurt where they decide to poke you -- and they *will* poke you ... I had never tried an Elizabethan, but I want to. Jerusha, filing away *very* useful information ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 15:59:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKxm0j028605 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:59:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UKxfrF007428; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:59:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UKs6bx086505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKs5Hm029029; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UKs1kF028926 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:54:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.fb.f5c5fb (17526) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:53:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:59:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE7E3D.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/30/2006 1:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. **************** That's for sure! Teenagers spend $300 to $1000s on polyester prom gowns made in a factory in Indonesia! Anything Bjarne has made that I've seen on his web site is worth $1500 to $5000 easily. Notice I said that's what it's worth, not what some will pay. And even as far as worth, I might be underpricing considering the care and enthusiasm that goes into his work. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 16:09:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UL99O3028826 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:09:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UL92rC012305; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:09:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UL6woV088686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UL6t8h042011; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UL6qah041799 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.24d.60d098c (17526) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:06:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <24d.60d098c.310fd9e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:06:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:09:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE806E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/30/2006 3:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com writes: The other question, is whether to use the plastic > boning, or go the metal route *************** I prefer metal. In Honnisette's book she mixes the two....some metal in the front point...and scattered with plastic throughout the front pieces... to keep it rigid and at the CB for strength at the lacing. That seems OK to me too. The whalebone in these things can be quite thick and as rigid as metal. And quite frankly they don't make metal boning as stiff as they used to, it is very flexible. If you can get 1/8" metal boning. you might like that. On "Last of the Mohicans" the boned jackets I made, and some corsets were boned with hoop wire....sometimes the 2 strips in their casing, sometimes taken out and used one at a time. The leads corsets were all 1/4" metal boning. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 16:13:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULDE9W028898 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:13:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULD7up014428; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ULBT1g089494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0ULBQ5B047240; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0ULBLLF047103 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0ULBFX5029096 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:11:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005201c625e1$b4a8aba0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B073BE023@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> <20060130145700.rgamacrmwlmscggg@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:11:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:13:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE8163.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I use a combination of plastic and steel. Just make sure that the ends of the plastic are rounded (easy to do with kitchen shears). The combination works just fine for me and I wear a 26-28 US size. My area of interest is 16th century Italian (just about everywhere except Venice). With regards, kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c > Quoting sunshine_buchler@agilent.com: > >> >> I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic >> boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types >> of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and >> possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10" >> difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - >> the plastic "melts" into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely >> tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful >> (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). >> > > Thanks for that piece of advice. We have much the same problem -- I > boned an Italian bodice with That Stuff, and found that those ends do > indeed hurt where they decide to poke you -- and they *will* poke you > ... I had never tried an Elizabethan, but I want to. > > Jerusha, filing away *very* useful information > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 16:22:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULLxRr029102 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:21:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULLqcc018560; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:21:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ULKdYA090968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0ULKb63056048; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:20:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0ULKWos055947 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71316 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 21:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 21:20:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060130211519.01db72e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:20:28 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c In-Reply-To: <24d.60d098c.310fd9e1@aol.com> References: <24d.60d098c.310fd9e1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:21:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE8370.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 21:06 30/01/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 1/30/2006 3:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >sunshine_buchler@agilent.com writes: > >The other question, is whether to use the plastic > > boning, or go the metal route > > >*************** > >I prefer metal. In Honnisette's book she mixes the two....some metal in the >front point...and scattered with plastic throughout the front pieces... to >keep it rigid and at the CB for strength at the lacing. That seems >OK to me too. I've always made 18th century corsets with Rigilene and straight steel bones combined. They have been for ladies of many different sizes, and shapes, and I don't have a problem with bones poking if I melt the ends in a candle flame. You can buy caps, but they are very thick. Someone once recommended the so called German boning - is that the same as your plastic boning? I don't like it. > >The whalebone in these things can be quite thick and as rigid as metal. And >quite frankly they don't make metal boning as stiff as they used to, it is >very flexible. If you can get 1/8" metal boning. you might like >that. On "Last >of the Mohicans" the boned jackets I made, and some corsets were boned with >hoop wire....sometimes the 2 strips in their casing, sometimes >taken out and >used one at a time. The leads corsets were all 1/4" metal boning. I own a copy of an 18th century corset made with whalebone - obviously made before the ban - and as stated, it is quite solid and rigid. (But the whalebones cut through the linen, and dig in!!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 16:44:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULiH8Z029534 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:44:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULi8x4029219; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:44:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ULhBZt095085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0ULh736077725; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0ULh2Hd077645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0ULgfwo020975 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:42:48 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:42:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49365.64.156.242.51.1138657368.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <24d.60d098c.310fd9e1@aol.com> References: <24d.60d098c.310fd9e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] corset boning, was Re:18c X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:44:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE88A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Somewhere there's got to be a FAQ... On 18cWoman (a Yahoo group) we've discussed boning materials a number of times. "Plastic" covers a wide range of things, from the prom gown featherboning to various weights of the German plastic which is supposed to most closely resemble whalebone in function. Some are easier to cut and shape than others, and it could depend on the availability. I think it really helps to find a list where someone has discussed all the types of boning available and their qualities. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 16:53:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULrbLn029709 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ULrUaw000829; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ULqY2Y096269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0ULqUxX085533; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0ULqPWA085447 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:52:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F3gwi-0002Z3-8u; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:52:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:51:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifts for Brits (was: 16th century and gifts for Brits) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE8ADA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! You've just reminded me - dark and gold Mars bars! The ones with plain chocolate and white nougat seem to be standard in the US, they only release them in the UK on very occasional limited edition - ours are milk chocolate and brown nougat. The only American chocolate I prefer to British. Jean Rhonda Donaldson wrote >Hi All, > >Since I sent in the Hershey's example - I tend to agree with Sharon. I >have friends in Scotland that love Hershey's kisses because they are >different. When I visit that's usually what I take. But when I come >back to the U.S. I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish >Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps...different stuff >is nice to have... > >Just a matter of taste...but I do like to check in with all my pals >across the pond to see if they would like anything new or non-food or >different. > >Have a great one, > >Rhonda > >PS my favs are crunchie bars and tablet...YUM! But here in the U.S. >it's twix or dark chocs....or just food : P > > > >Rhonda Donaldson >LTA II >e-Reserves Jr. Guru >Access Services >Downtown Campus Library >P O Box 6069 >Morgantown, WV >26506 >293-4040 x4094 >rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu > >"Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom >awakens. The sleeper must awaken." >--Frank Herbert > > Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only >cross-references. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 17:26:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UMQtwP030496 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:26:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UMQliO015337; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:26:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UMFes3000609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UMFXDS007682; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UMFPRB007409 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16144 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:45:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:44:59 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:26:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE92A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote: > >The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been > >studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life > >was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and > > Cool! I had no idea one even existed! ...and then I put it back on the shelf between the inventories of Edward I and Edward III. Each volume was about 3-4 inches thick, IIRC. Public service reminder: Drool is not good for keyboards. ;-) > Wouldnt it be cool to Wiki a never-before annotated inventory? Even > tho most of us are just amateurs & fashion fans, I'm sure we'd have > some interesting things to say on so many topics. While none of us > could complete the task, we'd make a nice start. Unfortunately we'd have to start with transcription and translation. I can read 14th c. handwriting, but this was clerical chickenscratch, by multiple hands, in a mishmash of French, Latin, and English, with arcane abbreviations thrown in. You can't analyze the words till you know what they are. And a good lot of the work involves figuring out the dates, quantities, and monetary amounts, which (if I remember right) were recorded in roman numerals. I think part of the reason this has gone undone is that you can't figure out what the words are if you don't know the costume terminology of the period (in all three languages). Paleographers tend not to be costume scholars; they are more likely to work on documents that are deemed less specialist, or that require specialist knowledge in areas that are important enough to people to justify developing a specialty. The person who showed me the inventories -- an independent scholar -- had spent decades reading wills and inventories and legal documents on behalf of people who needed research done in genealogy and heraldry. (He developed a reasonable familiarity with costume terms because of the nature of that work, but I would guess costume research doesn't pay the bills the way family history or heraldic research does.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 17:33:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UMX8GX030586 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:33:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UMX1mu017938; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:33:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UMWgiY004274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UMWYjt025449; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UMWSFj025241 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26e.4f21753 (62952) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:32:11 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <26e.4f21753.310fede8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:32:08 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: gifts for brits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:33:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE941D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! the best present I ever got from the US was brought back by a friend who'd been back to see her folks- it was a bumper size pot of dried cat nip! fantastic as I just couldn't find it over here (short of growing it, which I now do (or try to, but the cats of course keep eating it)), "IT IS an abomination!! I think white chocolate is pure evil disguised as confectionery!!" white chocolate is fabulous - and a friend gave me a hot chocolate gift box from whittards of chelsea that had white hot chocolate in it - it's fabulous - honestly is like liquid milky bars and I'm addicted already (you can bet I'll be shaving up milky bars when I run out!!) > "I don't think they > have Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, either." we do - have had them for years - you get them at woolworths (only place I've ever found them > No brownies, either, although when I have a chance I make them over > there to great cheers. That's fun, shopping for ingredients and > trying to convert the measurements! you can get brownies, but they're not 'real' ones, according to an american friend who lives here. "I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps" when I was little, we used to give irn bru to friends in the south, because you couldn't get it down there. you don't have flavoured crisps?? > And full round to being on-topic, Brownies and Girl Scouts wear > uniforms that have changed through the years with fashion. :-) yes, and wouldn't you know it whan I was a brownie the uniform was a horrible brown shirt dress that was about upper thigh length. and my girl guides uniform still had the horrid granny hat. debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 17:46:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UMkn6R030798 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UMkgHR023357; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UMkDQZ006655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:46:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UMkBTd038877; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UMk71I038803 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.25]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F3hmg-0005Je-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1098566.1138661166610.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DE9752.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I agree with Ann. I used Safari on a Mac OS X and it was fine--pages loaded very quickly. The colors were quite nice for me, and the design of the pages was clear and consistent. I liked the stitch listings (is there really a stitch called "bukkion," though? I'd have thought "bullion," but I'm not an advanced student of embroidery! Order and contact information are really needed for this appetizing presentation. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: AnnBWass@aol.com >Sent: Jan 30, 2006 12:58 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen > > >In a message dated 1/29/2006 8:37:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: > >would appreciate any input on it would like to >>> find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as >>> possible. > > > >I use Internet Explorer and it was fine. And I think the colors work >okay--obviously, you are echoing the colors in the purse. I think the green >background is fine--from one comment, I was expecting something much brighter than >what I saw--and the button color is okay, albeit perhaps a tad bright, but >trying to match the colors from your photo was, I'm sure, a challenge and you >may not be able to get an exact match. I personally think a >patterned/textured background is not necessary, as the needlework is the star--some textured >backgrounds are just too busy and make the text hard to read. > >Just my opinion. > >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 18:54:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UNssQo031917 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:54:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0UNslk4016903; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0UNs5h0017870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UNrvwi000547; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0UNrtCU000519 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1226448nzo for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:53:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bKlFGm4rzts6tBpj/ryLyBuudy8HrXOb6CoqsR1WgAxdAGWOjIcBG/7f7VNbQqfYn8SvcVPUHFdS153A30mXs7ad5tb7NpVVALHAujtHhqAmkLnfmfTs+H8CN9/8Y8GaHJy7gFi7EPb2LMc2knUFBR5tA5gUrcGkIQXMEFxNG5E= Received: by 10.64.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr406481qbb; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:53:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:53:55 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0UNrtCU000519 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: extant inventories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:54:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEA747.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >> Wouldnt it be cool to Wiki a never-before annotated inventory? Even >> tho most of us are just amateurs & fashion fans, I'm sure we'd have >> some interesting things to say on so many topics. While none of us >> could complete the task, we'd make a nice start. >Unfortunately we'd have to start with transcription and translation. I can >read 14th c. handwriting, but this was clerical chickenscratch, by >multiple hands, in a mishmash of French, Latin, and English, with arcane >abbreviations thrown in. Many times this transcription has been done & was pub'd decades ago. For example, find "Inventaires mobiliers et extraits des comptes des Ducs de Bourgogne de la maison de Valois (1363-1477)" on Google book search. The orignal author attribution is to Philippe le Hardi, published by Bernard Prost just before WWI. Once at the publication stage, the accounts are machine readable with a little OCR magic. The above account transcription happens to be in the public domain now. Someone has already done the hard part and scanned the complete text. I've not claimed a Wiki would get correct or thorough info, but it'd be alot more than most of us have at this moment. And an interesting baseline starting point. Aint technology grand! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 19:07:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V073bV032164 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:07:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V06up3022006; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V05It4019369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V05DSG009322; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V059QO009221 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ITX00DA5K8FF800@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:05:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:05:00 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:06:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEAA20.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Speaking of interesting books--- Does anyone know if Eleonora of Toledo's Book of Hours, which is in the V&A, has ever been published? If so, do you have the ISBN number? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:29 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories >The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been >studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life >was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and Cool! I had no idea one even existed! >realizing that I would never be able to get anything out of it without a >few refresher courses in paleography and Latin, some background in 14th c. >monetary systems, a minimum of three to five years of full-time work, and >grant money to cover living expenses in England for the duration. Wouldnt it be cool to Wiki a never-before annotated inventory? Even tho most of us are just amateurs & fashion fans, I'm sure we'd have some interesting things to say on so many topics. While none of us could complete the task, we'd make a nice start. The only annotate French inventory that I know of, and have skimmed bits of, is the accounts of the Dukes of Lorraine. It's not the wardrobe accts, but the accts of the entire estate, but, fashionwise, it does include everything from fabric buys to livery gifts. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 19:12:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0CwO3032299 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:12:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0CpRv024299; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V0BDDa020197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0BBYw014385; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0B7od014260 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) Received: from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28f.4d285ef (48576); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Message-ID: <28f.4d285ef.3110050d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:10:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com, ckinsey@kumc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Nostalgic Needle - Sharon Cohen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEAB83.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/30/2006 11:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:25:46 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ola, Thank you so much for posting about this. I love Sharon's work and have been lucky enough to take a class from her. If anyone ever gets a chance to do so, grab it! I learned so much, especially about doing needlelace. I would second the suggestion to include ordering information, also what classes she is available/willing to teach. I know our local EGA group would like to bring her in. If she is not going to sell directly, maybe some links to websites that do (my favorite is Wyndham Needleworks). Thanks again, Catherine Thanks for the feedback. We will be taking all comments into consideration when we update site next. Sharon has some unpublished pieces "teaching pieces" in fact two that she has not taught anywhere yet! Also she has in the past and is willing to teach any of her pieces that are published. Sharon is also considering offering classes in her "new" (built in 1890) home in MA. Please feel free to contact her via this email address (_NostalgicNeedle@aol.com_ (mailto:NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) ) Also, anyone who will be in MA this spring: The North Adams library will be showcasing many of Sharon's models in an exhibit in their parlor (the library was org. North Adams first Mayor's mansion. Its an amazing library with marble mantled fireplaces and cozy spots to sit and read and its archways that look like part of a wedding cake ... wow libraries in MD didn't look like this) will be putting dates and a link on the site as they become available. Thanks again, Ola _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 19:17:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0Htea032421 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:17:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0HmQT026152; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:17:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V0HPce021706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0HOT4019900; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0HK3X019831 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.155.174] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3jCx-0004Cu-1o for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:17:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:13:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca09a28ce1819a84dcd0234fc336184d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.155.174 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: White Chocolate (was: Lots of different replies (most of them OT, sorry)) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:17:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEACAC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 6:10 PM +0000 1/30/06, Kate Cole wrote: >Re: white chocolate: "Which is what the previously mentioned house >guest brings me from London, much to his disgust, as he thinks all >white chocolate is an abomination ;-) " >IT IS an abomination!! I think white chocolate is pure evil >disguised as confectionery!! After some years of "research", and finally pinning down the "milk" vs. "non-milk" difference in white chocolate as what distinguishes good from bad white chocolate for my tastes, I begin to wonder how many of the "white chocolate is an abomination" crowd only have experience with one kind of white chocolate and might actually quite like the other kind if they gave it a chance. Again taking myself as an example, if my only experience of white chocolate were the non-milk kind, I too would think white chocolate an abomination -- but I love milk white chocolate, though I classify the taste as being milk-like confectionery rather than [brown] chocolate-like confectionery. I suspect another issue is that people who approach white chocolate with the idea that it should be like [brown] chocolate are of course doomed to be disappointed -- but then, so is someone who approaches nougat with the expectation that it should be like [brown] chocolate. (Not being like [brown] chocolate doesn't necessarily make a confectionery bad, it just makes it not [brown] chocolate.) Sharon PS ObCostume: Expectations can also play a large role when interpreting costume evidence -- if you are expecting or looking for a certain thing, that influences how you re-act to what you actually see. (I find this a lot when it comes to people's interpretations of various Scottish evidence -- they see things in it they would never see if the evidence had come from, say, Germany, rather than Scotland!) (How many extra, erm, brownie points do I get for managing to come up with an ObCostume for white chocolate? ;-) -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 19:22:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0MqO7032540 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:22:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0MjeS028027; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:22:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V0HRwQ021715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0HRH8019927; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0HNH2019889 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.155.174] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3jD0-0004Cu-SX for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:17:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <65516.64.156.242.51.1138645747.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> References: <200601300015.k0U0FcZW036674@net.indra.com> <65516.64.156.242.51.1138645747.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:14:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: OT: [h-cost] gifts for Brits Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcf68ae0ea40dfcf2fe3dbb0ef953037bc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.155.174 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:22:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEADD5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 1:29 PM -0500 1/30/06, aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >After 8 Mints, but not so much the thick patties. I don't think they >have Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, either. Britain now has Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, and have done since the mid-to-late-1990s. Reese's used to be one of the things I pined for and imported in large quantity every trip back from home, but then Woolworth's started carrying them and my constant craving disappeared ;-) As I recall, Woolworth's also had Reese's Pieces, too. Sharon, USAmerican who used to live in Aberdeen (Scotland, of course!) PS ObCostume: Is the notion I have that Woolworth who started Woolworth's was a clothing designer a figment of some historical romance I read, or is there any basis in fact -- even if twisted fact? -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 19:29:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0Tkeo032653 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:29:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0Tdwf030577; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:29:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V0TLIM023755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0TJO7029474; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0TEtC029406 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=hrEOSCu1uSnF6fQFWm7243WmnxwaK9Rq4xjOWTiUHTok57UnOjFK2HE/7qPKT6yx; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.87] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3jOT-0003RG-P3 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00a201c625fd$5c627db0$573c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <26e.4f21753.310fede8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gifts for brits Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:29:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bbbfa0cdec6a6d9f76b9fb117c94e5648350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.87 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:29:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEAF73.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! debs wrote: > you don't have flavoured crisps?? > It depends on where in the US you live. I lived in New York City most of my life, and even four years ago, there were only four or five commonly available. Then I moved to western Pennsylvania, where there are more than a dozen. Go figure. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 19:46:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0kdfH000500 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:46:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V0kWIx004438; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:46:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V0k4YH026506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0jxH7042431; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0V0jjdS042232 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 33744 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 00:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 00:45:40 -0000 Message-ID: <007d01c625ff$a57da180$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002601c61375$0b0e0f50$6400a8c0@Penny> <009101c6145d$18cdeaa0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] testing.. where is everyone? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:45:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:46:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEB368.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! List test.... I haven't gotten anything for several days. Just checking to see if it's on my end. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 20:06:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V16rLD000804 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:06:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V16kuW011160; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V10MiC028230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V10KUB051313; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V10FoG051251 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from oemcomputer.vaxxine.com (ppp11.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.11]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V101Wu016927 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:00:02 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20060130194124.020ece08@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:59:56 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb In-Reply-To: <28f.4d285ef.3110050d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century corset images at Bodleian library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:06:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEB826.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Just when you think technology can't rock your world any more... http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/johnson/ In the John Johnson collection of ephemera at the Bodleian Library there are images online of corset and stay-makers trade cards, as well as many other trade cards and other ephemera. My favorite is John Arpthorpe's, Trade Cards 26 (60) . There is an illustration of stays very similar to the one in the centre-top of page 101 in the Kyoto Costume Institute's "Revolution in Fashion, 1715-1815, the one that looks like typical late 18th century stays but with "cups" cut out with laces to adjust them. I'd assumed that it was a homemade attempt to modernize their stays. It stays were being illustrated that way but tradespeople, then obviously that was a transitional style than a homemade hack job. Enjoy! Sheridan Alder _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 21:05:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V25Gsm001968 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:05:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V259he029155; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:05:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V24kxw036813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V24aBC090941; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:04:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V24XJQ090906 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:04:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=GLRM9Ey7U5mzdb3Z8JXNGKQdxnzxHnS+L63+Szj112neUUYmBjucXC9AEd9+eId8; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.87] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3ksh-0007P9-Rx for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:04:32 -0500 Message-ID: <031d01c6260a$ac89ac70$573c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601300015.k0U0FcZW036674@net.indra.com><65516.64.156.242.51.1138645747.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] gifts for Brits Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:04:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bbaea858a73ec0a45c3aba71413e9672d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.87 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:05:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEC5D5.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sharon wrote: > PS ObCostume: Is the notion I have that Woolworth who started Woolworth's > was a clothing designer a figment of some historical romance I read, or is > there any basis in fact -- even if twisted fact? F W Woolworth's was started in the US by Charles and Frank Woolworth, who merged a bunch of five-and-dime stores at the turn of the century (the last one). They were just your basic small-town businessmen, nothing so romantic as a fashion designer. That company founded Woolworths Ltd in the UK and the Commonwealth countries shortly thereafter, and from what I've heard, the focus of the merchandise is slightly different than what was usually found in Woolworth's here in the US. Woolworth's closed down here about 20 years ago. They tried to compete at the Kmart level with the Woolco experiment, but that's also gone here in the US. The Canadian Woolco's were bought out by Walmart. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 22:04:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V34U94003359 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:04:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V34MTH015576; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:04:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V33YSa044812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:03:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V33W5m028540; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0V33THs028417 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angelalazear@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 79940 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 03:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 03:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c62613$36035520$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Angela F Lazear" To: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:05:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost list errors? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:04:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DED3B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0V34U94003359 I have not received mail from the list for several days now, and wanted to be sure that nothing had changed in my subscription. I could resub if it's necessary, but wanted to check first to see what's up. angela +++++ Angela F. 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Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 22:08:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V38OBW003426 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:08:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V38Htj016756; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V37qPk045379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V37qCH031630; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0V37nSH031597 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 16397 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 19:07:48 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16387, pid: 16392, t: 0.5993s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 19:07:47 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060130190552.02316dc0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:07:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <004701c62613$36035520$0701a8c0@lazear1> References: <004701c62613$36035520$0701a8c0@lazear1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: H-Cost list errors? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:08:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DED4A1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 07:05 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: >I have not received mail from the list for several days now, and >wanted to be sure that nothing had changed in my subscription. I >could resub if it's necessary, but wanted to check first to see what's up. > >angela >+++++ It's been pretty active over the past week. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 22:11:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3B6Jq003487 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:11:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3Ax3j017628; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:11:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V35Kfo045046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V35KcS029996; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V35GrV029906 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4529F1AF for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CE7977 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:10 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:10 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0743CD08@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 16th Century "Nationality" Dress Thread-Index: AcYlvNPpDlCh6RR6Q6We216ennmH8wAHxRWg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 03:05:10.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[25A4A8A0:01C62613] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0V35GrV029906 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 16th Century "Nationality" Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:11:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DED543.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, based simply on my reading of _Moda di Firenze_ (sp?) I would rule out Italian because of the stiffness of the bodice and the fully covered neck-partlet area. At least Florentine fashions (according to Moda) have a softer bodice then Spanish, and they tend to have open necks or nearly-sheers partlets rather then the busy opaque partlets in these pictures that give the impression of the dress continuing all the way to the face. > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg > This is also a painting by the same artist, Alonso Sanchez Coello. > http://www.saragrace.net/images/Misc/MahoiteredSleeves/SPoptimized.jpg Afraid I don't know anything about the behavior of 16th century art collectors. Sorry! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 22:15:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3FYiw003554 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:15:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3FRxK018940; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:15:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V3Ef3l046281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V3Ecrs036256; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0V3ETs5036102 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:14:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 17678 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 19:14:28 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17672, pid: 17673, t: 0.9563s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1239 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 19:14:27 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060130190948.02303a60@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:14:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c In-Reply-To: <20060130145700.rgamacrmwlmscggg@www.goldsword.com> References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B073BE023@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> <20060130145700.rgamacrmwlmscggg@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:15:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DED64F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 12:57 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: >Quoting sunshine_buchler@agilent.com: > >> >>I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the >>plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have >>had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of >>wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put >>- I have about a 10" difference between ribcage and bust line - >>almost entirely in the front - the plastic "melts" into my curvy >>shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the >>plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when >>they do it, too!). > >Thanks for that piece of advice. We have much the same problem -- I >boned an Italian bodice with That Stuff, and found that those ends do >indeed hurt where they decide to poke you -- and they *will* poke you >... I had never tried an Elizabethan, but I want to. > >Jerusha, filing away *very* useful information I never found the Rigilene to be useful at all, and certainly not for corsets. I use cable ties that I buy at the hardware store (my current Elizabethan corset has them); cheap and easily available. I get the 34" ones. They can be cut with heavy craft scissors (or tin snips); the ends can be rounded with a coarse file (some people candle them, but I don't bother as it makes for lumpy ends). As long as you make the stays about 1/2 inch shorter than the casings, they are fine. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 22:20:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3K3IJ003651 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:20:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3Juhg020324; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:19:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V3ECI7046227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V3EA8H035863; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V3E3Xh035754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0V3Dw1q017805 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:14:01 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:16:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Boning/reeds yet again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:19:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DED75C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm bracing myself to do yet another corset with tabs. This time I would like to use something besides steel because the steels that go down into the tabs from the corset itself tend to bend and stay bent. Besides, they are expensive. I happen to have some real whale bone, both as stay size pieces and as an entire frond. The young man who gave me the stays told me "don't ask", but I suspect they came from Japan. The small frond I got on E-Bay and came with a certificate that it was gotten pre-ban and legally. I got it mainly so I could have something to show when teaching. Problem is that once you have handled the "real thing" you aren't going to be impressed with cable ties as a substitute. So reeds/broom straw seems a better answer. I know that several people have used reed successfully. How big? Where did you get it? Either this or maybe a nice broom and lots of quilting thread? I did check the archives, but didn't see exactly what I was looking for. Do I want 1/4" oval, 1.5mm round reed, 1mm round reed? Broom? One reason I particularly want a new corset is because I have done something to my back. On 12th night I knew I was going to be wearing a 35 pound houpeland (BIG Sleeves, Velvet lined with light weight wool, full circle) and was willing to bet my back was not going to be happy. I put on my Tudor corset made from the corset generator pattern with added tabs and was comfortable for 18 hours! I'm beginning to think this is what I want for work as well. I'm pleasingly plump ;-) and a B cup but I have _hips_ (bum roll? what bum roll?) so the tiny waist immediately flairs out to quite substantial hips (weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.) This means that the tabs are a point of considerable strain for any stiffening. Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 22:28:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3SpE5003792 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:28:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3Sixt023141; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:28:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V3SMZQ047675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V3SKVW044204; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V3SGF3044157 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m197.in-tch.com [216.166.191.197]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0V3Juf17548 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:19:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00ca01c62617$5aab0ae0$c5bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <26e.4f21753.310fede8@aol.com> <00a201c625fd$5c627db0$573c9b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gifts for brits Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:35:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:28:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DED96C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We gave quite the variety of available flavors, here. Some of them are regionally produced, though, so maybe that's it. When I ventured across the ocean a few years ago, people'd recommended I look for flavored potato chips--both sides of the pond have them, but the available flavors are quite different. And we also have a good variety of flavored tortilla chips, as well. Don't know if those show up in Britain, though (plain or flavored). My favorite are the chili-lime ones made of blue corn. ;o) --Sue (from Montana) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gifts for brits > debs wrote: > > you don't have flavoured crisps?? > > > > It depends on where in the US you live. I lived in New York City most of my > life, and even four years ago, there were only four or five commonly > available. Then I moved to western Pennsylvania, where there are more than > a dozen. Go figure. > -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 22:37:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3bjOr003909 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:37:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V3bbrQ026082; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:37:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V3Ulq9047947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:30:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V3UlIU045667; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:30:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V3Uj3n045652 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so1310818nzd for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:30:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dk+Ow1Q4qm8F8zzEJ4X1jFgNQepHR/e8KCT3qKjbrVbCHqGavlSWRcKcfpfEWiS+WoxvoRGKDy7df73LGBOpFP3EdZ0I/IKqR8ttPcAOFJZri6cQblDrw/C2DBD34RuBV6JGrTzWGyYR5H/gEgesFiSY3cvjQNnDiBPR2ylH/Ak= Received: by 10.65.116.2 with SMTP id t2mr2365241qbm; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.200.19 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:30:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190601301930l3240434dod3bf416491d7f317@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:30:45 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0V3Uj3n045652 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: extant inventories, Inventory Wiki, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:37:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEDB81.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Reading about all these extant inventories makes me practically ache with envy, mostly that I don't have the time, languages, or education to dig into one of them properly! However, I do know computers and the web. I think a Wiki-type collaborative project on one of these documents would be a plausible way to share the work. I don't imagine there's much academic/publishing credit involved, but just to get the material out there. If ever a project of this type is started, I'd love to hear more about it and offer what services I can. Allison T. (back to lurking) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 30 23:26:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V4QpUj004602 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:26:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V4QgcX009926; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V4OSQd055497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V4OMCj079992; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V4OGZw079907 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0V4MapT025594 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:22:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200601310258.k0V2w9vH024127@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bodleian Corset Images, Trade Cards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:26:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEE703.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! David? Sheridan? I would LOVE to see the images you're talking about, but I can't figure out how to use the system. Could you be a little more specific? Thank you! Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 00:28:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5SiCM005606 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:28:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5Sb27030721; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:28:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V5RwMb064614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5RqxP022916; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:27:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5RnNG022876 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F3o3Q-0001u0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:27:48 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060130232655.0327bba8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:29:35 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200601310258.k0V2w9vG024127@net.indra.com> References: <200601310258.k0V2w9vG024127@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:28:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEF585.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Crisps? Are these potato chips, crackers, or something else? English to English translation, please.... Sandy > "I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish > Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps" > >when I was little, we used to give irn bru to friends in the south, because >you couldn't get it down there. >you don't have flavoured crisps?? "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 00:29:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5TcSk005617 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:29:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5TVWW032206; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:29:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V5SW1b064698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5SVMs023303; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5SRfL023206 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060131052822.RWKU17436.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:28:22 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.178.75]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060131052821.NIED16143.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:28:21 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.178.75]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20060131052821.TTMS420.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:28:21 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.25/246]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:28:19 +1300 Message-ID: <010c01c62627$24ffc600$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B073BE023@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com><20060130145700.rgamacrmwlmscggg@www.goldsword.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060130190948.02303a60@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:28:19 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:29:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEF5BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I never found the Rigilene to be useful at all, and certainly not for > corsets. I use cable ties that I buy at the hardware store (my > current Elizabethan corset has them); cheap and easily available. I > get the 34" ones. They can be cut with heavy craft scissors (or tin > snips); the ends can be rounded with a coarse file (some people > candle them, but I don't bother as it makes for lumpy ends). As long > as you make the stays about 1/2 inch shorter than the casings, they are fine. Kitchen scissors are what I use. I do one straight cut and two snips either corner. It takes about 5seconds per bone;) Of course I use the narrow kind as I find they are made softer than the larger ties and so don't warp so much. I know it's counter intuative, but there ya go;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 00:46:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5k8Oq005953 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:46:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5k1bd004457; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:46:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V5jc0E067097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5jaLL035034; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5jVGT034942 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060131054525.VJNB4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:45:25 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.178.75]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060131054524.ZLUT14226.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:45:24 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.25/246]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:45:24 +1300 Message-ID: <011701c62629$882b94f0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning/reeds yet again Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:45:22 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:46:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEF999.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'm bracing myself to do yet another corset with tabs. This time I would > like to use something besides steel because the steels that go down into the > tabs from the corset itself tend to bend and stay bent. Besides, they are > expensive. How many bones are you using? I'm curious as I know people who find metal just doesn't get into the waist and so doesn't bend and gives too straight a shape. > Problem is that once you have handled the "real thing" you aren't going to > be impressed with cable ties as a substitute. So reeds/broom straw seems a > better answer. How wide were the pieces? I handled some early 20thC stays in a bodice. They were cut quite wide and thus were quite stiff. They felt very brittle too. The reminded me of an iceblock stick that was left in the sun too long. I also know people who have handled very narrow strips that are best substituted with cable ties over other materials. So I suppose it really depends on the width and use. > I'm pleasingly plump ;-) and a B cup but I have _hips_ (bum > roll? what bum roll?) so the tiny waist immediately flairs out to quite > substantial hips (weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.) This means > that the tabs are a point of considerable strain for any stiffening. Oh boy do I know this! I'm about 36, 29, 40 so there is a considerable different between my waist and hips. The most comfortable corset I have is of the Effigy Corset which is fully boned with cable ties. I mean fully: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/16thunderwear.htm Darn, I didn't finish my last sentance in that section;) The corset below that is uncomfortable (to me) as it has no tabs. I would like to know from those with them in collections: Was reed used for boned tabs and if so how have they been affected? Looking at the piccies of the reeds used for the cut down stomachers in patterns of Fashion they actually are nothing liek the reeds I've seen for sale for corsets. Theya re very very fine and probably are more flexible. The ones I've seen looked like they would snap if I was ever to wear them! These are my latest. I was going to make it more like the real Dorothea stays with the seperate tabs, but knowing how uncomfortable I find that I decided not to. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/dorothea2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/dorothea1.jpg Cable ties again, but with a metal busk as I am not getting splinters from wood;) Anyway, I'd recommend that style for the reeds I've seen, probably not with the changes I made as I have only two bones per side tab which probably would not be enough;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 00:48:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5mkPk006000 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:48:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5mdSs005360; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V5mPIX067417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5mOu2036681; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5mIGe036552 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060131054813.VMVD4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:48:13 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.178.75]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060131054813.CQET1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:48:13 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.14.25/246]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:48:13 +1300 Message-ID: <011d01c62629$ecc5abd0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601310258.k0V2w9vG024127@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060130232655.0327bba8@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:48:13 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:48:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DEFA37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Crisps? > > Are these potato chips, crackers, or something else? English to > English translation, please.... > > Sandy It goes like this: US/UK/NZ french fries/chips/chips chips/crisps/chips I love living in NZ. When you say you are having chips for lunch, it's all in the context. Costume content: This is similar to the word jumper meaning different things in different countries. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 00:52:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5qPih006065 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:52:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V5qIZU006632; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:52:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V5ptAN067788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5psx5038980; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5pndx038932 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=IMa4OByyZk9ifvJpV9UVtqSA8b4453cUqDWMfAmuEGN0Gq1h7eX4oI1efsgwTli8; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.200] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3oQe-0002iB-O4 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <046401c6262a$6bceba70$573c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601310258.k0V2w9vG024127@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060130232655.0327bba8@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? 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British ==> American Chips ==> Fries Crisps ==> Chips Once again, two countries separated by a common language. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 01:02:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V62a4m006233 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:02:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V62TR8009952; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:02:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V629Fb068936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V626Yq045561; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V622IB045512 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:02:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC4A9050474; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:57:30 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:18c Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:02:10 -0800 Message-ID: <004801c6262b$df96f7a0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B073BE023@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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For boning. www.lacis.com -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of sunshine_buchler@agilent.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:48 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re:18c > I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before > starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to > draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to > start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic > boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... > and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've > already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards > of cotton twill in white and red. I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10" difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic "melts" into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). I've used the metal boning and bought sized-to-fit. Which is not the cheapest route, by a long shot but it is easy. Reed is also do-able, much cheaper and doesn't require fancy tools. You can get some from Saundra Ros Altman's Past Patterns - I got mine for this http://www.pastpatterns.com/030.html pattern kit, but I believe she sells them separately. I'm told you can get other size/shapes of reeds via basket weaving supply stores, but I haven't looked into that much yet. Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 03:05:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V85JMn023540 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:05:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0V85Bgb017189; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:05:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V83GLq081521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V83CTC016481; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V838Tf016426 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0ITY00HGE6D6NB@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:03:06 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-79-93-34.tnt11.paradise.net.nz [203.79.93.34]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4368C7A4A4 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:03:05 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:03:08 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? In-reply-to: <011d01c62629$ecc5abd0$0401010a@michaela> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43DF19BC.50407@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: <200601310258.k0V2w9vG024127@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060130232655.0327bba8@pop.radiks.net> <011d01c62629$ecc5abd0$0401010a@michaela> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:05:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF1A37.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! michaela wrote: > It goes like this: > US/UK/NZ > french fries/chips/chips > chips/crisps/chips > > I love living in NZ. When you say you are having chips for lunch, it's all > in the context. Well, sometimes we say "hot chips" to distinguish the one kind from the other. And some people in the South Island say "crisps". -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 05:40:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VAeBYg023944 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:40:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VAe4ET029591; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:40:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VAZ5k8003301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:35:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VAZ1dN006019; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VAYvbL005970 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [212.227.126.200] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1F3sqd-0003Z4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:55 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.30] (helo=pustefix163.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1F3sqd-0007Tf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1397941.169981138703695527.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> From: feudtner@festefeiern-online.de To: Subject: AW: [h-cost] Boning/reeds yet again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 5525480 X-Routing: DE X-Message-Id: <5525480$1138703695526172.23.4.3012222798@pustefix163.kundenserver.de--1786317813> X-Received: from pustefix163.kundenserver.de by 213.69.142.158 with HTTP id 5525480 for [h-costume@indra.com]; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:55 CET Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:55 +0100 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de ident:@172.23.4.30 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:40:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF3E84.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Have used a reed/steel combination for my fully boned 18th century stays. Even though I used steel only at strategic places (all channels where pieces were joined together, 4 pieces in front to simulate a small busk and of course at the back where the lacing is) it is quite heavy. I bought reed at www.sillysisters.com and I'm very satisfied. Plus points of reed are that it is light, fairly cheap and can be shaped easily both in length and width. I do not have any problems with the reed breaking while wearing it, but this might be different if the stays are not fully boned. The only problem is that you have to be careful when inserting the reed in the channels - don't use too much force! Have fun with the new stays! Michaela >I'm bracing myself to do yet another corset with tabs. This time I would >like to use something besides steel because the steels that go down into the >tabs from the corset itself tend to bend and stay bent. Besides, they are >expensive. > >I happen to have some real whale bone, both as stay size pieces and as an >entire frond. The young man who gave me the stays told me "don't ask", but >I suspect they came from Japan. The small frond I got on E-Bay and came >with a certificate that it was gotten pre-ban and legally. I got it >mainly so I could have something to show when teaching. > >Problem is that once you have handled the "real thing" you aren't going to >be impressed with cable ties as a substitute. So reeds/broom straw seems a >better answer. > >I know that several people have used reed successfully. How big? Where did >you get it? Either this or maybe a nice broom and lots of quilting thread? > >I did check the archives, but didn't see exactly what I was looking for. Do >I want 1/4" oval, 1.5mm round reed, 1mm round reed? Broom? > >One reason I particularly want a new corset is because I have done something >to my back. On 12th night I knew I was going to be wearing a 35 pound >houpeland (BIG Sleeves, Velvet lined with light weight wool, full circle) >and was willing to bet my back was not going to be happy. I put on my Tudor >corset made from the corset generator pattern with added tabs and was >comfortable for 18 hours! I'm beginning to think this is what I want for >work as well. I'm pleasingly plump ;-) and a B cup but I have _hips_ (bum >roll? what bum roll?) so the tiny waist immediately flairs out to quite >substantial hips (weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.) This means >that the tabs are a point of considerable strain for any stiffening. > > > >Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey >Never attribute to malice what can as easily >be attributed to simple social ineptness > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 07:45:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VCjCCF012897 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:45:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VCj5Rv011542; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:45:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VCiWZt020337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:44:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VCiP6n090197; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav6.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VCiMFF090056 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:44:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:44:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:44:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 12:44:16.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BC34710:01C62664] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:45:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF5BD1.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories > > On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote: > >> >The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been >> >studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life >> >was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and >> >> Cool! I had no idea one even existed! > > ...and then I put it back on the shelf between the inventories of Edward I > and Edward III. Each volume was about 3-4 inches thick, IIRC. > > Public service reminder: Drool is not good for keyboards. ;-) > >> Wouldnt it be cool to Wiki a never-before annotated inventory? Even >> tho most of us are just amateurs & fashion fans, I'm sure we'd have >> some interesting things to say on so many topics. While none of us >> could complete the task, we'd make a nice start. > > Unfortunately we'd have to start with transcription and translation. I can > read 14th c. handwriting, but this was clerical chickenscratch, by > multiple hands, in a mishmash of French, Latin, and English, with arcane > abbreviations thrown in. You can't analyze the words till you know what > they are. And a good lot of the work involves figuring out the dates, > quantities, and monetary amounts, which (if I remember right) were > recorded in roman numerals. > > I think part of the reason this has gone undone is that you can't figure > out what the words are if you don't know the costume terminology of the > period (in all three languages). Paleographers tend not to be costume > scholars; they are more likely to work on documents that are deemed less > specialist, or that require specialist knowledge in areas that are > important enough to people to justify developing a specialty. The person > who showed me the inventories -- an independent scholar -- had spent > decades reading wills and inventories and legal documents on behalf of > people who needed research done in genealogy and heraldry. (He developed a > reasonable familiarity with costume terms because of the nature of that > work, but I would guess costume research doesn't pay the bills the way > family history or heraldic research does.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 08:22:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VDM80K013569 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:22:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VDM1qv028025; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VDLaJg025799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VDLZm3018450; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0VDLVXA018402 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:21:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 29565 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 05:21:31 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29559, pid: 29560, t: 0.7301s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1239 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 05:21:30 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131051932.02405350@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:21:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:22:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF6479.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 04:44 AM 1/31/2006, you wrote: >I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? >[snip] It just means that the inventory of the wardrobe still exists. We don't have very many extant (i.e., surviving) clothing pieces. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 08:26:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VDQUPS013638 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:26:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VDQNRc029692; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:26:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VDL4AP025736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:21:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VDL11B018117; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VDKtaG017982 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0VDKmb12449.; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:20:49 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:20:48 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:20:41 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0VDKtaG017982 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:26:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF657F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In costume or any other terms, "extant" means "still in existence". Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> zeartiste@hotmail.com 31/01/2006 12:44 >>> I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 09:21:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VELwNB014721 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:21:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VELp9K021102; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:21:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VEL4XH036867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:21:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VEKu7M054195; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0VEK8rF053697 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4511 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 14:20:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JdsMRJ11kA/2OTD4WqmmF0zg1EYKTM6r9FoTRVyakXl/RsHIM86QvRwSv+1gzp7j5PLGApi0vgibQuL/4CwJs0INwRHruYJdCOeQnPE7XSalpBTJ31cSpJRQ7Bci/kCW4SJoPx/MLZ0phWzgm4ctyOfsOCBVORu5FBsceS2VKJM= ; Message-ID: <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:20:03 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:20:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601301900.k0UJ0VDt022013@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18c stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:21:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF727F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Mia, The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I do have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with what's affordable. Kristin Oh stays..., I've done several, but since I'm an active reenactor, and trying to progress to a more authentic reenactor, my solutions, might not be your solutions. Like I said, the butterick pattern seems to be good, especially for 3rd quarter or so 18th c. Making 18c stays is not as hard as one might think. just somewhat time consuming. And I always have challenges with the fit. For the stays I've done I've, 1. used the J.P Ryan patterns (very nice- and gives that good ice cream cone shape.) I used metal and cable ties and that stringy box binding stuff that is almost like whale bone...this is not a good description, but I really don't know how to do better. These were really nice. 2. used the later 18c pattern from Hunnicut, and blew it up on a copy machine. these were nice too. I used basket cane and metal bones at the stress points. These were nice too 3. Back to JP Ryan for the pattern, bound in leather, wool covered, fully boned, cable ties and metal in stress points, cane everywhere else. They are really beautiful. 3. on the table to do now. the butterick pattern, cut out in linen, will be halfboned with ? All done on the machine For me basket caning works, but i am frequently out in the heat of a North Carolina Summer. Anything Plastic just doesn't breathe enough for me. I've never had a piece of cane break. and boy does it support!! Choice of patterns ...JP Ryan is good, the butterick is good. I don't have the skills to draft one from scratch and have it come out looking like I want it to. Again all these choices are based on where you are wearing it, and what you want it for. Costume and just for fun has different needs than reenactor and museum work. 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC where there is no sign of winter. Boy i'm not looking forward to another hot summer... gotta get those linen stays done. --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 09:22:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VEMUGn014730 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:22:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VEMNq6018589; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VEM1L1037222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VEM18T054830; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VELvBq054727 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A27F033C; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:21:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 31 Jan 2006 09:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c62671$ec6c0560$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:23:33 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Brit patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF729F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0VEMUGn014730 Hope someone can help me with this" I am looking for a British pattern site that has patterns for the first quarter of the 19th C. (Jane Austin and company,) Had it once and have lost it. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 09:59:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VExgSL015647 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:59:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VExZYR007125; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:59:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VErs2c050034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VErqNY076806; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VErjhh076601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k0VErdX44455 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:53:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 31 Jan 2006 08:53:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:53:39 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:53:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Visit to Tuscany X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:59:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF7B57.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A good friend of mine is going to Tuscany in April and the gift-ideas-for-Brits made me wonder if anyone has suggestions for small gifts she can take that Italians might appreciate? Also, any must-see costume or embroidery resources in this area that she can checkout for me :)? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 10:01:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VF1eJ0015696 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:01:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VF1XUP005072; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VF0ljc053366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VF0hD7082499; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0VF0dIO082368 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:00:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23732 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 15:00:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OEt7/MBPYNoVjbvVCD87SQpWo6mo4b0FTzM/PEl1ErtLpZmhXx847XwIYSQZizvHpscIissj9wXXAjbMhADqipUFHWfoAxyMIcd2xWv1Z7UCT/pscjCNOa7sFY6hx0RYdEEBZZEx8GY2E5Nq8FJMb/1eTX9igwYqgOJmCmJFPfo= ; Message-ID: <20060131150033.23730.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:00:33 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:00:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601310553.k0V5qSD6039439@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: stay boning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:01:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 43DF7BCD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I used 1/4 inch half round basket making reed. To me it came out nice looking. and It looks like the pictures's ive seen. Sometimes I used two strips in a channel, sometimes backed the reed with a piece of steel boning. The reed is really firm, especially the channels with two pieces. I've never been fortunate to really examine a pair of 18c stays close up, nor handeled any real whale bone. Also I've never seen the german false whalebone. I'm afraid it would spoil me Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 11:00:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VG0lBJ016979 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:00:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VG0cDB008024; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:00:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VFs6YY063306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VFs0s8029448; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav22.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VFruEt029327 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:53:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.45.79 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:53:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.45.79] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:53:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:53:58 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 15:53:50.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[8768B980:01C6267E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:00:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DF89A6.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0VG0lBJ016979 What I want defined is "Wiki". Janet In costume or any other terms, "extant" means "still in existence". Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> zeartiste@hotmail.com 31/01/2006 12:44 >>> I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 11:30:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VGUEFQ017555 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:30:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VGU7Yw024042; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:30:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VGTFjC070020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VGSpbJ064753; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VGSiV4064489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3yMo-0005Qa-4j; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0600 Message-ID: <20060131102830.8z176eqv4n1sskgo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting JAMES OGILVIE : > What I want defined is "Wiki". speculation -- Wiki-wiki is (I think) Hawaiian for "quickly!) Wikipedia is an online editable Encyclopedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page There's also an SCA specific wikipedia out of Lochac (but you don't have to be from Lochac to post .....) http://cunnan.sca.org.au/wiki/Main_Page Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 11:31:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VGViiv017592 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:31:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VGVbkZ003139; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VGV8s8070475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:31:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VGUwmN067054; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VGUlNM066680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:30:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F3yOn-0005eb-TE; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:30:33 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:30:33 -0600 Message-ID: <20060131103033.78hbwhuth6tc40c8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:30:33 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting JAMES OGILVIE : > What I want defined is "Wiki". > There's even a wiki entry for "wiki" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 11:34:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VGYCXt017665 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VGY57W026506; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VGXEei071045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VGXA7N069327; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VGWtCq069042 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.257.598086f (24895) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:32:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <257.598086f.3110eb29@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:32:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? 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In a message dated 1/31/2006 12:48:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: It goes like this: US/UK/NZ french fries/chips/chips Well, at least we're not calling them "freedom fries" any more! 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Only the republicans did that ::no spam please:: said in jest...tee hee Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. >>> AlbertCat@aol.com 01/31/06 11:32 AM >>> In a message dated 1/31/2006 12:48:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: It goes like this: US/UK/NZ french fries/chips/chips Well, at least we're not calling them "freedom fries" any more! Sheesh! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 12:34:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VHYmbB018690 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:34:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VHYfaM020699; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:34:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VHX0YA082123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:33:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VHX0Kt035838; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:33:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxs2.wvu.edu (mxs2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.114]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VHWs4d035608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxs2.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VHWnvm021360 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:32:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:32:17 -0500 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: , Subject: Re: [h-cost] Visit to Tuscany Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:34:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DF9FB1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Take me as a gift : ) I'm not small, but it would be great fun lol... Sorry couldn't help myself, going stir crazy in PA, Rhonda Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. >>> ckinsey@kumc.edu 01/31/06 9:53 AM >>> A good friend of mine is going to Tuscany in April and the gift-ideas-for-Brits made me wonder if anyone has suggestions for small gifts she can take that Italians might appreciate? Also, any must-see costume or embroidery resources in this area that she can checkout for me :)? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 12:52:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VHq61I019033 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:52:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VHpxXA006307; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VHpUAX086025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:51:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VHpHtH055155; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VHouo6054659 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0VHolb12152.; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:50:47 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:50:47 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:50:31 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: the virgin queen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0VHouo6054659 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:52:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFA3BF.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Watched Episode 2 last night. The men's anachronistic breeches were more obvious this week (though I liked the tennis scenes), and, as someone commented, the women's skirts don't look as though they have enough support (perhaps the designers thought that farthingales would look as odd to modern eyes as they thought trunk-hose would). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 13:22:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VIMgVo019595 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:22:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VIMZSp027052; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:22:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VIMFYQ092009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VIMBKT086135; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0VIM7iS085977 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68764 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 18:22:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Fr0TM2WSUSIycAN8eBYBR8kPNyhCqXomz/ApnA/GDOR0XC/mqL+URztJS9N6IhpQWrDYEndCFQIkSC6/r2cnVJRAzW9lyUDchMzfSO1eoU3MV5DnjEhGtBAQvOeeZ076uwyyJgDyxyJVb8bFE554OZPR9JshkL/BjRkz1X8gstQ= ; Message-ID: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:22:01 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:22:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:22:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFAAEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hiya all. I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th century. Tania --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 16:28:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLSoN0023792 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:28:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLSh3x023415; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VLRHOY024911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VLQvX3077605; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V0SkV3028971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0V0Sd6m026013 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:28:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:28:39 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:28:02 -0500 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: , Subject: [h-cost] Re: gifts for brits Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:28:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFD68B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We do have flavored crisps, but not the cool flavors from the UK. So worth it to get some :) Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. >>> Debloughcostumes@aol.com 01/30/06 5:32 PM >>> the best present I ever got from the US was brought back by a friend who'd been back to see her folks- it was a bumper size pot of dried cat nip! fantastic as I just couldn't find it over here (short of growing it, which I now do (or try to, but the cats of course keep eating it)), "IT IS an abomination!! I think white chocolate is pure evil disguised as confectionery!!" white chocolate is fabulous - and a friend gave me a hot chocolate gift box from whittards of chelsea that had white hot chocolate in it - it's fabulous - honestly is like liquid milky bars and I'm addicted already (you can bet I'll be shaving up milky bars when I run out!!) > "I don't think they > have Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, either." we do - have had them for years - you get them at woolworths (only place I've ever found them > No brownies, either, although when I have a chance I make them over > there to great cheers. That's fun, shopping for ingredients and > trying to convert the measurements! you can get brownies, but they're not 'real' ones, according to an american friend who lives here. "I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps" when I was little, we used to give irn bru to friends in the south, because you couldn't get it down there. you don't have flavoured crisps?? > And full round to being on-topic, Brownies and Girl Scouts wear > uniforms that have changed through the years with fashion. :-) yes, and wouldn't you know it whan I was a brownie the uniform was a horrible brown shirt dress that was about upper thigh length. and my girl guides uniform still had the horrid granny hat. debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 16:44:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLifYw024110 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:44:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLiYng030934; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:44:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VLcgCh026769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VLcclX090301; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V2w57r024090 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:58:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=aRy4KpQEZMDpQery1m5KzUEOkyy5cDDbOYNS2ccber5ZeYsqUVRMXstQe6990zwi; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.21.191] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3liV-0000ej-Rm for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:58:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1098566.1138661166610.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1098566.1138661166610.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:10:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon Cohen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ce9f328b105aa8019e0a2d2f206a57ebf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.21.191 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:44:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFDA42.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 5:46 PM -0500 1/30/06, ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >I agree with Ann. I used Safari on a Mac OS X and it was fine--pages >loaded very quickly. The colors were quite nice for me, and the >design of the pages was clear and consistent. I liked the stitch >listings (is there really a stitch called "bukkion," though? I'd >have thought "bullion," but I'm not an advanced student of >embroidery! >Order and contact information are really needed for this appetizing >presentation. Yes, I think a bit of copy-editing is needed in a few places. I think I noticed "splender" (for splendor), "acron" (for acorn), and "The inspiration for this sampler are..." I gather that these kits are not available from the website directly? If they are, ordering info is definitely needed. If not, a link to some retailers who carry them would be much appreciated. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 16:58:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLwNZK024384 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:58:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLwFB1004798; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:58:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VLvmPh029685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VLvexk010879; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V6Udb7065322 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54B940E16 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43dc7837.13e2a for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D3wQOnjntlAIAAAAB,7664f25fb43aa48ff320b8661c806a4f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:30:38 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060130223038.1534CA0A@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress forms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:58:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFDD77.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! To the person who was enquiring about dressforms ( I'm sorry, I don't remember who it was and I've deleted the original post ) I can't say that I have any experience with the dressform about which you were asking about, but you might find these links interesting/useful, especially if you don't fall into 'the norm' in shape or size: http://www.mytwindressforms.com/ http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/t00002_p2.asp - there are 4 different versions to have a look at. Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 16:58:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLwRwX024386 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:58:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLwKuq018694; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:58:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VLvvYL029726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VLvovT011075; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5vSL0042615 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:57:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB3717F70320; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:52:55 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? 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And what is Irn Bru? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:30 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? Crisps? Are these potato chips, crackers, or something else? English to English translation, please.... Sandy > "I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish > Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps" > >when I was little, we used to give irn bru to friends in the south, >because you couldn't get it down there. you don't have flavoured >crisps?? "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 16:59:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLxiM6024401 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:59:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VLxbnb019438; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VLvvaL029725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VLvnJ8011054; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0V5KUQu018170 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A28DB31052C; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:15:57 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:20:37 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01c62626$11e34e80$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <263.4db655f.310f73f3@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Try www.tudorgroup.co/uk for some great recreations of 16th century clothing. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:52 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] More "to do in London" questions In a message dated 1/30/06 1:32:59 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >To make this costume related, can anyone recommend historical re- > >enactors in the UK that focus on Chivalry and who do fairly > >"authentic" costuming? Sorry - meant to reply to this a couple of days ago, and completely forgot ( too much work, too little time). Somebody mentioned livinghistory.co.uk as a way for finding a group - I'd recommend against it - it's a discussion board - participants have quite a limited range of interest, and more tha 3/4 are late medievaists (c.15th). Histrenact lists groups on it's website, and 'call to arms' can be bought by mail order (lists practically every group in the country along with contacts and what they do - and a few that aren't in the uk). had a word with Nige, too, and he suggests the jousting at the royal armouries (about two hours from london by train if you get the right train), and the early medieval alliance (I'm not sure what their kit is like as I've never seen it, but they apparently do the chivalric thing). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 17:02:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VM2fAK024482 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VM2ZWC006841; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VM1KvF030405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VM1E3h014888; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VD614k008076 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:05:55 -0800 Message-ID: <43DF60C4.9030808@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:06:12 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 13:05:55.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[125C6590:01C62667] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFDE7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Something which continues to exist, that has escaped the ravages of time. (I just assumed you had made a little typo there..:) Sg Becky wrote: > I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:44 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 17:02:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VM2grd024483 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VM2aOk021492; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VM2Fri030562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:02:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VM23Nx015724; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VDU0HT022875 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:30:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0VDTsb13600.; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:55 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:54 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:42 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] gifts for Brits Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0VDU0HT022875 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFDE7C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Rhonda mentioned tablet - we don't even have that in England. I discovered it when I went to the Orkney Islands in 2003; the hotel gave us a square of it with our after-dinner coffee onstead of a mint. (It's a hard fudge made in blocks which can be broken into squares like a chocolate bar.) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> aquazoo@patriot.net 30/01/2006 18:29 >>> wrote: > What they REALLY don't have are Girl Scout cookies. I brought a >couple boxes of thin mints one time, and the person who enjoyed them >the most was an American who never seemed to visit his parents during >cookie season. ?? You mean Americans have a particular season for eating cookies? ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 17:02:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VM2pq1024489 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VM2i7F020214; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VM0oKb030279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VM0i6Z014307; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0V99QUX055062 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74677 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 09:09:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZTNGXkzWOw+FCTxzQFH7LE1qecacCk6YRzMDbpxej8vRNbAHduGtcsEMBsiNr0mmOcd9+l4FeTa6QiungqsLhPr7absibylKpP8MLYGt8WVPhLmuNh7ehDMQb96tjhsVqA4JrpbRyoCkocJME8hWtlAtvq6ETNUGIZ9du6g9hQk= ; Message-ID: <20060131090925.74675.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:09:25 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:09:25 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] boning - reed or cable ties X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFDE84.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Wanda I would recommend you track down what I've heard called 'artificial whalebone' - it comes in several different widths, from 4mm up to 12mm, has no ridges (like ridgeline)and when you sit down, it doesn't stay bent up at the front like ridgeline does. You have be able to find it quite cheaply if you are in the US - the supplier's I've contacted over here vary considerably. You can get it from either http://www.geocities.com/staymaker/index.htm http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/ or from the manufacturer at http://www.wissner.de/eng/ I just noticed you can get it from Farthingales as 'German boning'. It's not as cheap as cable ties but it is as close to real whalebone as you'll get without that rather brittle tendency that sometimes happens. You can see how good it looks since it is used in The Staymaker's gallery of work. 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Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 17:10:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VMALd3024689 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:10:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VMAE3R010229; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:10:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VM8bSQ031802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VM8W3I022582; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:08:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav23.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VM8RT0022475 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:08:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.178.174.68 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:08:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.178.174.68] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning/reeds yet again Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:08:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:08:11 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 22:08:22.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9A5BE30:01C626B2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFE046.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0VMALd3024689 Wanda, I used 1/4" flat reeds from Weaving Works in Seattle, and have been really happy. They have a great selection of style and sizes of reeds, and are very reasonable. I spent under $10 for enough reed to do an entire corset, and I'm a woman of "fine substantial size." HTH-- LuAnn in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: Wanda Pease To: H-Costume Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Boning/reeds yet again I'm bracing myself to do yet another corset with tabs. This time I would like to use something besides steel because the steels that go down into the tabs from the corset itself tend to bend and stay bent. Besides, they are expensive. I happen to have some real whale bone, both as stay size pieces and as an entire frond. The young man who gave me the stays told me "don't ask", but I suspect they came from Japan. The small frond I got on E-Bay and came with a certificate that it was gotten pre-ban and legally. I got it mainly so I could have something to show when teaching. Problem is that once you have handled the "real thing" you aren't going to be impressed with cable ties as a substitute. So reeds/broom straw seems a better answer. I know that several people have used reed successfully. How big? Where did you get it? Either this or maybe a nice broom and lots of quilting thread? I did check the archives, but didn't see exactly what I was looking for. Do I want 1/4" oval, 1.5mm round reed, 1mm round reed? Broom? One reason I particularly want a new corset is because I have done something to my back. On 12th night I knew I was going to be wearing a 35 pound houpeland (BIG Sleeves, Velvet lined with light weight wool, full circle) and was willing to bet my back was not going to be happy. I put on my Tudor corset made from the corset generator pattern with added tabs and was comfortable for 18 hours! I'm beginning to think this is what I want for work as well. I'm pleasingly plump ;-) and a B cup but I have _hips_ (bum roll? what bum roll?) so the tiny waist immediately flairs out to quite substantial hips (weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.) This means that the tabs are a point of considerable strain for any stiffening. Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 17:29:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VMTtUB025062 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:29:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VMTmKk018635; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:29:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VMRjVc035215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VMRRpY042011; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VMLrIg036515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VMLmPU016380 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:21:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:21:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:21:34 -0500 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Irn Bru X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:29:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFE4DC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The national drink of Scotland lol. It is an orange colored soda that doesn't taste a thing like orange soda. It is truely different...and hard to explain. I like it tho. Tablet is a pure sugar rush - My Mom used to make it when we were kids and we called it fried fudge. Had no idea it was called butter tablet elsewhere. Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. >>> sharon@collierfam.com 01/31/06 12:57 AM >>> And what is Irn Bru? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 17:58:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VMwDKN025661 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:58:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VMw6DL031013; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VMuodk040497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VMuk26072417; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VMueaQ072320 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 867236695 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:56:34 -0600 Message-ID: <04fb01c626b9$96740930$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:56:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT -- tablet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:58:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFEB7E.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Tablet is a pure sugar rush - My Mom > used to make it when we were kids and we called it fried fudge. Had no > idea it was called butter tablet elsewhere. > I am very intrigued by this. Google is my friend: http://www3.sympatico.ca/scruss/tablet.html clear, step by step directions. Doesn't seem difficult, but it does sound tasty. I've tried, but I can't think if a single way to make this costume related! Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 18:10:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNAWfL025890 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNAPRL003392; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VN8sXi042422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VN8pAa083753; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VN8kwE083589 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.291.4e28a9f (58550) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <291.4e28a9f.311147f3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:08:35 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFEE61.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And what is Irn Bru? Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from girders'. http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 18:22:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNMAJK026092 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNM1Qc007784; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VNGClb043895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFaDN090057; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFRW8089823 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D6D63F16 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:20 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1138749319728; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:19 -1000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:19 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress forms In-Reply-To: <20060130223038.1534CA0A@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: References: <20060130223038.1534CA0A@dm21.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFF119.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > To the person who was enquiring about dressforms... Someone may already have posted this but the latest issue of Threads magazine has a whole section on different brands of dress forms and their characteristics. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpAeu022665 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dp2cn028313; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DoJNT087499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DoIa0096191; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1109W30043192 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so34949wra for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=FzNbzGx7ztcB1Ch566MBK5hMeUL3JfNpGRIdYncB0dHSt0WcW4NZ3wSwUM17cibDKH6cGmEjhPmKhVb5ecMc+m7M/bmpAo9LBfppWeCyElb96Qd9y02VWyebX1vPi1OxR9Ys+y3YXELXk+jERSbrEUhZePcnUvCVnsD5+hbxXoc= Received: by 10.54.117.15 with SMTP id p15mr6353652wrc; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm117093wrl.2006.01.31.16.09.30; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ab01c626c3$c62f88c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:09:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:51:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BCC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. > I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. > How sturdy is silk noil Not very. If you're going to use noil, you might as well use 100% cotton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpL0a022681 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpEYw023525; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DoB7j087469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11Do1oM095964; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0VNLbwF096435 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70599 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dH7BYISYFtLgFUwVB11MHeowbYilkqsiCY54Ldp3MRFT4lJ3OmdzphJrFEeKSzCvSvBTmC5n3/j1jYLqVbJGHlR0gkkRatjCZpBSIAugW6XsOgqWSOW41tGUmrkICIxeymgUrcN5/gPshRS6w9Kt/WlxLSMqP5HgM8AcC4ip954= ; Message-ID: <20060131231456.70597.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] gifts for Brits - tablet and Irn Bru: quite firmly OT! To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:51:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BCD2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >Rhonda mentioned tablet - we don't even have that in England. I >discovered it when I went to the Orkney Islands in 2003; the >hotel gave us a square of it with our after-dinner coffee >onstead of a mint. (It's a >hard fudge made in blocks which can be broken into squares like >a chocolate bar.) As a Scot and therefore long-time sugar addict, I feel qualified to comment on this - for a change! My dad makes awesome 'tablet' and it is a similar mixture to fudge but it has a more crystalline structure so yes, it is breakable similar to chocolate and not squidgy, like fudge, but the /best/ tablet has a melt in the mouth butteriness that is rarely found in commercially produced stuff. The closest you'll get are the little 'heart-attacks in a packet' called "Orkney Fudge" http://www.realfooddirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1013 "Irn Bru" is a soda/fizzy soft drink that is orange in colour and of indeterminate flavour. The advert used to say "Made in Scotland, from girders" i.e. iron bars, so I'd say it's sort of metallic... but nice! You can now get Irn Bru chews which are bliss and make my teeth ache. http://www.sweetsncandy.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=IRNBRU060&cat=15 Diabetes? Me??? :-) Sorry for digression but I've a childhood affection for both. Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpmT4022689 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpfsB018258; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DpJ70087740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DpHOA097098; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k110XS5b066241 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so289812wra for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:33:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ssovv11ixQF5PhVQs2F4WGmt+3fVDrjBOyqSkpFjUktyWjEBWLyc5MIUtNvekEOms+7krS3GA5TAEy90ZbOR7zIstyhyJpUzD/vTMBVHJkddPmAaflY7ZxkT7bquKq6tfuI+8ykglgUChhObLk1nZdw1uWWKWibzQg0WkD9YmmM= Received: by 10.54.128.14 with SMTP id a14mr317579wrd; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g2sm1191094wra.2006.01.31.16.26.58; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:26:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <017c01c626c6$37217f00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <004701c62613$36035520$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost list errors? 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I don't know if anybody else has written, but the list has been its usual active self, so if you still aren't receiving it there might be a problem at your end. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F Lazear" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost list errors? I have not received mail from the list for several days now, and wanted to be sure that nothing had changed in my subscription. I could resub if it's necessary, but wanted to check first to see what's up. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:53:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DrevR022858 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:53:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DrXBp029403; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:53:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DrClI088501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DrAtm099057; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k110TtAQ061820 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 19177 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 16:29:52 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 19158, pid: 19167, t: 0.5695s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 16:29:51 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131162852.024b4718@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:29:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT -- tablet In-Reply-To: <04fb01c626b9$96740930$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <04fb01c626b9$96740930$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:53:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD5D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 02:56 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote: >>Tablet is a pure sugar rush - My Mom >>used to make it when we were kids and we called it fried fudge. Had no >>idea it was called butter tablet elsewhere. > >I am very intrigued by this. Google is my friend: >http://www3.sympatico.ca/scruss/tablet.html > >clear, step by step directions. Doesn't seem difficult, but it does >sound tasty. > >I've tried, but I can't think if a single way to make this costume related! >Denise You need an apron =-O! Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsJ8K022927 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsCfL025286; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Drr7x088733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DrpUG099819; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNZqYt011996 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from oemcomputer.vaxxine.com (ppp182.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.182]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNZdT8017971 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20060131181946.0214af60@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:35:41 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodleian Corset Images, Trade Cards In-Reply-To: References: <200601310258.k0V2w9vH024127@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD84.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just realized that my bookmarks aren't working for this site either. It's not the most friendly, intuitive site, but not too hostile either. Bodacious Basic Bodliean url: http://www.rsl.ox.ac.uk/ Click on "Online Catalogue and electronic resources" link (on left) to get to: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/elec-res.html Click on "John Johnson Collection" to get to: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/elec-res.html The top of this next page will say: The John Johnson Collection of Printed Ephemera COPYRIGHT INFORMATION Then you have to scroll to the very bottom of that page, I understand that copyright in the images belongs to The Bodleian Library, Oxford, and I accept the conditions explained above for access to the images. Click on the blue highlighted "I accept the conditions" (the copyright conditions - nothing too onerous since they allow "use for private study", the angels. Click on "Catalogue" on the red window on the left-hand side to search. There is also and "Exhibition" button which is an online exhibition of some of the collection, broken down by various themes. I think I mostly used Index "5-Subjects, Trades, Products" to search in, using stays or corsets to search in. Have fun exploring. I'm leaving for a conference tomorrow so I won't be back until the weekend. I hope that these instructions more helpful. Sheridan At 11:24 PM 1/30/2006 -0500, you wrote: >David? Sheridan? > >I would LOVE to see the images you're talking about, but I can't figure out >how to use the system. Could you be a little more specific? Thank you! > >Martha > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsKuG022929 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsD6L018746; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DptiT088018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DpsFm097722; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112JXcH050289 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:19:28 -0800 Message-ID: <43E01AAF.5000709@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:19:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <20060130172055.py1yedod72g4ckok@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060130172055.py1yedod72g4ckok@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 02:19:28.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDB6AF60:01C626D5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paying for color copies: was 16th Century "Nationality" Dress Characteristics...long X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD85.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Just out of curiousity, how much did the color copy cost? Always > looking for cool color pictures -- especially of embroidery! I have paid up to $100 for a color reprint. That was of a painting not currently on exhibit (in America) , and supposedly the museum did not have a color copy (which I think was probably BS). I have paid £10 for a black and white reprint, and the least I have paid is for a color transparency is £35. The latter was a rental and is like a large slide. Shipping and handling is extra and is about £6 in each of those cases. I was allowed to make a copy for the purposes of the slide show. The biggest hindrance is having a "legitimate" reason for wanting one. Fortunately I was in graduate school this past year doing research so I didn't have to fib about that, and since I was doing a presentation at the Phoenix Art Museum, they seemed to accept that. But I had to explain all that. I wouldn't let it inhibit you...all they can say is no. Surprisingly enough, if you can find a postcard of the painting those scan very well, (I think the detail on a least one I got was better than some of the detail on the transparencies I have received.) and I have had some places send those to me gratis...they even paid postage! I asked for a more detailed, higher resolution for a painting on IMAREAL and they sent that to me, no questions asked, on a CD! Good point about Anguissola....that would be a good comparison to see if I could find a match.. I have responded to the list since I had multiple inquiries about the same thing.... Sg > >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsbDP022961 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsTku031118; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DqqMs088354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DqoH2098702; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFPBA089833 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so18963nzi for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RabJoEqz8TY9pJU+10H3Xwcv727UgRfr7tca35NXiXQw4FUp731cydTz7P5oysHJrlISTNK2d9QWnPxNB5WQKLy75UkexA0f+3UapSJ/kYZMxvI2Wp0Pudp7vXyuYg87vqG0UfLv7KVR6G87mq5vQJIJRF8Xx9cxhsixzBP68P8= Received: by 10.64.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr69865qbb; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0VNFPBA089833 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What to do with old clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD95.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Better than donations to charity, more value-add than quilting from clothing scraps, launch your suit into orbit! This fabulous news from spaceweather.com SUITSAT: On February 3rd, astronauts plan to hurl an old spacesuit overboard from the International Space Station. The disembodied suit, nicknamed "SuitSat," will proceed to circle Earth, transmitting a radio message which anyone can hear using a police scanner or a ham radio tuned to 145.990 MHz FM. This strange experiment is a test of a sensible idea--that old spacesuits might be transformed into useful satellites. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsfED022963 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsYUm026191; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DsFmJ088945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsE70000374; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112R0n8056038 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:26:55 -0800 Message-ID: <43E01C6E.4000703@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:26:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 02:26:55.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[F84C88E0:01C626D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD9A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Tania, you might want to ask Bjarne...he'd probably know. Sg Tania Gruning wrote: > Hiya all. > > I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th century. > > Tania > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:55:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dt9Pu022975 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:55:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dt2pw030012; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Dsd3u089153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsclU000862; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k116GTex016489 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GWDi9GRM3fXT45yU3oZJW40cr5NmGNjQ9mQzw7LAzcecV4Iayb4ioYWuZyE3rHTG; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.170.82] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4BI3-0004BJ-Qe for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:16:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131051932.02405350@surewest.net> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131051932.02405350@surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B76C8FF-8F55-4AF2-8129-95DC6E8A96A5@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:17:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce90bb6d8ba50e151989b08df3026e9a4ab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.170.82 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BDB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 31, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 04:44 AM 1/31/2006, you wrote: >> I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? >> [snip] > > It just means that the inventory of the wardrobe still exists. We > don't have very many extant (i.e., surviving) clothing pieces. It depends on what you mean by "very many". Compared to how many were made and worn--no. Compared to how many people _think_ are still extant -- you might be surprised. (I know I have been.) Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:57:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dvlae023030 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:57:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DveEI031161; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:57:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DpkqG087969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11Dphtw097580; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112H0oj048245 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so40830wxc for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:17:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R7I4U8iiK0mvYQONZK95I/nGX1G7u/JMDzF0i5r24SV4DfPpUpBmDPlCDJ8/iMsH0gJpNEICM3xl6yBPVyWvp0DpSibJh9f9zypzoK7aZ429fBL9MhYrbFocpEpSJW9RkS1h4OS5wJSoqQuoEr9LnBsP8D+CH1i4TqnpszSGkpo= Received: by 10.70.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr4363887wxj; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0601311816h58096a10m86a48c9b52f6a45c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:16:59 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18c stays In-Reply-To: <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200601301900.k0UJ0VDt022013@net.indra.com> <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:57:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BE54.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11Dvlae023030 Okay, this is overwhelming! So, basically, there are two "easy" patterns out there: JP Ryan and Butterick. And from all the discussion, it looks like there are a variety of preferences for the boning: - cable ties - reed - metal - plastic (but it sounds like this is not the ideal option, since plastic is sweaty no matter where you live). Well, I guess as I work on finishing the current garment, I'll start planning for the corset... at least the first one. At this point, I suppose I'm just making a costume, but as I continue and learn, I'll be able to construct things a little more authentically. Our winter in Eastern PA has been fairly mild... it actually hit the 60's this week! Kristin On 1/31/06, Mia Dappert wrote: > > > Hi Mia, > > The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would > at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. > > I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a > second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - > but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is > whether > to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... > and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a > yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and > red. > > I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next > year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding > dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to > avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I > do > have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a > sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may > risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with > what's > affordable. > > Kristin > > > Oh stays..., I've done several, but since I'm an active reenactor, and > trying to progress to a more authentic reenactor, my solutions, might not be > your solutions. > Like I said, the butterick pattern seems to be good, especially for 3rd > quarter or so 18th c. Making 18c stays is not as hard as one might > think. just somewhat time consuming. And I always have challenges with the > fit. For the stays I've done I've, > 1. used the J.P Ryan patterns (very nice- and gives that good ice cream > cone shape.) I used metal and cable ties and that stringy box binding stuff > that is almost like whale bone...this is not a good description, but I > really don't know how to do better. These were really nice. > 2. used the later 18c pattern from Hunnicut, and blew it up on a copy > machine. these were nice too. I used basket cane and metal bones at the > stress points. These were nice too > 3. Back to JP Ryan for the pattern, bound in leather, wool covered, fully > boned, cable ties and metal in stress points, cane everywhere else. They > are really beautiful. > 3. on the table to do now. the butterick pattern, cut out in linen, will > be halfboned with ? > > All done on the machine > > For me basket caning works, but i am frequently out in the heat of a North > Carolina Summer. Anything Plastic just doesn't breathe enough for me. I've > never had a piece of cane break. and boy does it support!! > > Choice of patterns ...JP Ryan is good, the butterick is good. I don't > have the skills to draft one from scratch and have it come out looking like > I want it to. > > Again all these choices are based on where you are wearing it, and what > you want it for. Costume and just for fun has different needs than > reenactor and museum work. > > 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC where there is no sign of winter. Boy i'm not > looking forward to another hot summer... gotta get those linen stays done. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:59:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DxVUF023086 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DxOOg028343; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Ds7qw088882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11Ds7Gv000225; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112LvwW052274 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:21:52 -0800 Message-ID: <43E01B3F.4070808@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:21:51 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: costume experts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 02:21:52.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[435E7B00:01C626D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BEBC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I would consider Robert Trump to be an expert BTW. He is with the St. Louis Opera still I believe. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:59:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dxsr3023093 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DxlaY019858; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DsNSD089017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsNrB000555; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53114.mail.yahoo.com (web53114.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k113S58g095520 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mlysett@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7152 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2006 03:27:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mRBYGkL6fRvQmDxlF+7LW+znoubHRe3e+y7ZFmG0K7XSgDjLlY6nK9OH7BgpZ/pWcYqdfahUODvgdaA/+MkmFXu42wqBR84ee7xfkqnJYMeclagEOznQWKTIwMSQQAiqkmdhpcGvYAD1kUixkSYcRyCEWxXPeZ/tOoo2mTON31g= ; Message-ID: <20060201032759.7150.qmail@web53114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.250.32.108] by web53114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:59 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: mlysett To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] History of the Parasol X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BED3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi all, I've recently written an article on the history of the parasol through the 16th and early 17th centuries. Over the last 4 or 5 years, reenactors and faire people have repeatedly told me "parasols aren’t period." I've had the evidence to support their use for at least as long, but I finally decided to make a formal article about it. Although I am selling items elsewhere on this site, my goal with this article wasn't to sell more, but to provide reenactors with the evidence to dispel this particular myth. So, I invite anyone interested to have a look. You may check out the article at http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/parasolhist.html. I will be forwarding this article to several lists during the next few days, so I apologize if you receive this several times. I hope you all enjoy, Margaret Roe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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