From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 18:10:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNAWfL025890 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNAPRL003392; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VN8sXi042422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VN8pAa083753; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VN8kwE083589 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.291.4e28a9f (58550) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <291.4e28a9f.311147f3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:08:35 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? 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Status: RO And what is Irn Bru? Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from girders'. http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 18:22:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNMAJK026092 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNM1Qc007784; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VNGClb043895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFaDN090057; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFRW8089823 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D6D63F16 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:20 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1138749319728; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:19 -1000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:19 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress forms In-Reply-To: <20060130223038.1534CA0A@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: References: <20060130223038.1534CA0A@dm21.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFF119.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > To the person who was enquiring about dressforms... Someone may already have posted this but the latest issue of Threads magazine has a whole section on different brands of dress forms and their characteristics. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpAeu022665 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dp2cn028313; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DoJNT087499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DoIa0096191; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1109W30043192 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so34949wra for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=FzNbzGx7ztcB1Ch566MBK5hMeUL3JfNpGRIdYncB0dHSt0WcW4NZ3wSwUM17cibDKH6cGmEjhPmKhVb5ecMc+m7M/bmpAo9LBfppWeCyElb96Qd9y02VWyebX1vPi1OxR9Ys+y3YXELXk+jERSbrEUhZePcnUvCVnsD5+hbxXoc= Received: by 10.54.117.15 with SMTP id p15mr6353652wrc; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm117093wrl.2006.01.31.16.09.30; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ab01c626c3$c62f88c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:09:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:51:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BCC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. > I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. > How sturdy is silk noil Not very. If you're going to use noil, you might as well use 100% cotton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpL0a022681 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpEYw023525; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DoB7j087469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11Do1oM095964; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0VNLbwF096435 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70599 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dH7BYISYFtLgFUwVB11MHeowbYilkqsiCY54Ldp3MRFT4lJ3OmdzphJrFEeKSzCvSvBTmC5n3/j1jYLqVbJGHlR0gkkRatjCZpBSIAugW6XsOgqWSOW41tGUmrkICIxeymgUrcN5/gPshRS6w9Kt/WlxLSMqP5HgM8AcC4ip954= ; Message-ID: <20060131231456.70597.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] gifts for Brits - tablet and Irn Bru: quite firmly OT! 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Status: RO >Rhonda mentioned tablet - we don't even have that in England. I >discovered it when I went to the Orkney Islands in 2003; the >hotel gave us a square of it with our after-dinner coffee >onstead of a mint. (It's a >hard fudge made in blocks which can be broken into squares like >a chocolate bar.) As a Scot and therefore long-time sugar addict, I feel qualified to comment on this - for a change! My dad makes awesome 'tablet' and it is a similar mixture to fudge but it has a more crystalline structure so yes, it is breakable similar to chocolate and not squidgy, like fudge, but the /best/ tablet has a melt in the mouth butteriness that is rarely found in commercially produced stuff. The closest you'll get are the little 'heart-attacks in a packet' called "Orkney Fudge" http://www.realfooddirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1013 "Irn Bru" is a soda/fizzy soft drink that is orange in colour and of indeterminate flavour. The advert used to say "Made in Scotland, from girders" i.e. iron bars, so I'd say it's sort of metallic... but nice! You can now get Irn Bru chews which are bliss and make my teeth ache. http://www.sweetsncandy.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=IRNBRU060&cat=15 Diabetes? Me??? :-) Sorry for digression but I've a childhood affection for both. Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpmT4022689 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpfsB018258; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DpJ70087740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DpHOA097098; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k110XS5b066241 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so289812wra for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:33:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ssovv11ixQF5PhVQs2F4WGmt+3fVDrjBOyqSkpFjUktyWjEBWLyc5MIUtNvekEOms+7krS3GA5TAEy90ZbOR7zIstyhyJpUzD/vTMBVHJkddPmAaflY7ZxkT7bquKq6tfuI+8ykglgUChhObLk1nZdw1uWWKWibzQg0WkD9YmmM= Received: by 10.54.128.14 with SMTP id a14mr317579wrd; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g2sm1191094wra.2006.01.31.16.26.58; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:26:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <017c01c626c6$37217f00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <004701c62613$36035520$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost list errors? 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Status: RO I don't know if anybody else has written, but the list has been its usual active self, so if you still aren't receiving it there might be a problem at your end. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F Lazear" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost list errors? I have not received mail from the list for several days now, and wanted to be sure that nothing had changed in my subscription. I could resub if it's necessary, but wanted to check first to see what's up. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:53:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DrevR022858 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:53:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DrXBp029403; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:53:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DrClI088501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DrAtm099057; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k110TtAQ061820 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 19177 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 16:29:52 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 19158, pid: 19167, t: 0.5695s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 16:29:51 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131162852.024b4718@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:29:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT -- tablet In-Reply-To: <04fb01c626b9$96740930$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <04fb01c626b9$96740930$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:53:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD5D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:56 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote: >>Tablet is a pure sugar rush - My Mom >>used to make it when we were kids and we called it fried fudge. Had no >>idea it was called butter tablet elsewhere. > >I am very intrigued by this. Google is my friend: >http://www3.sympatico.ca/scruss/tablet.html > >clear, step by step directions. Doesn't seem difficult, but it does >sound tasty. > >I've tried, but I can't think if a single way to make this costume related! >Denise You need an apron =-O! Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsJ8K022927 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsCfL025286; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Drr7x088733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DrpUG099819; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNZqYt011996 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from oemcomputer.vaxxine.com (ppp182.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.182]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNZdT8017971 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20060131181946.0214af60@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:35:41 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodleian Corset Images, Trade Cards In-Reply-To: References: <200601310258.k0V2w9vH024127@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD84.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just realized that my bookmarks aren't working for this site either. It's not the most friendly, intuitive site, but not too hostile either. Bodacious Basic Bodliean url: http://www.rsl.ox.ac.uk/ Click on "Online Catalogue and electronic resources" link (on left) to get to: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/elec-res.html Click on "John Johnson Collection" to get to: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/elec-res.html The top of this next page will say: The John Johnson Collection of Printed Ephemera COPYRIGHT INFORMATION Then you have to scroll to the very bottom of that page, I understand that copyright in the images belongs to The Bodleian Library, Oxford, and I accept the conditions explained above for access to the images. Click on the blue highlighted "I accept the conditions" (the copyright conditions - nothing too onerous since they allow "use for private study", the angels. Click on "Catalogue" on the red window on the left-hand side to search. There is also and "Exhibition" button which is an online exhibition of some of the collection, broken down by various themes. I think I mostly used Index "5-Subjects, Trades, Products" to search in, using stays or corsets to search in. Have fun exploring. I'm leaving for a conference tomorrow so I won't be back until the weekend. I hope that these instructions more helpful. Sheridan At 11:24 PM 1/30/2006 -0500, you wrote: >David? Sheridan? > >I would LOVE to see the images you're talking about, but I can't figure out >how to use the system. Could you be a little more specific? Thank you! > >Martha > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsKuG022929 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsD6L018746; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DptiT088018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DpsFm097722; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112JXcH050289 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:19:28 -0800 Message-ID: <43E01AAF.5000709@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:19:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <20060130172055.py1yedod72g4ckok@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060130172055.py1yedod72g4ckok@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 02:19:28.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDB6AF60:01C626D5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paying for color copies: was 16th Century "Nationality" Dress Characteristics...long X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD85.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Just out of curiousity, how much did the color copy cost? Always > looking for cool color pictures -- especially of embroidery! I have paid up to $100 for a color reprint. That was of a painting not currently on exhibit (in America) , and supposedly the museum did not have a color copy (which I think was probably BS). I have paid £10 for a black and white reprint, and the least I have paid is for a color transparency is £35. The latter was a rental and is like a large slide. Shipping and handling is extra and is about £6 in each of those cases. I was allowed to make a copy for the purposes of the slide show. The biggest hindrance is having a "legitimate" reason for wanting one. Fortunately I was in graduate school this past year doing research so I didn't have to fib about that, and since I was doing a presentation at the Phoenix Art Museum, they seemed to accept that. But I had to explain all that. I wouldn't let it inhibit you...all they can say is no. Surprisingly enough, if you can find a postcard of the painting those scan very well, (I think the detail on a least one I got was better than some of the detail on the transparencies I have received.) and I have had some places send those to me gratis...they even paid postage! I asked for a more detailed, higher resolution for a painting on IMAREAL and they sent that to me, no questions asked, on a CD! Good point about Anguissola....that would be a good comparison to see if I could find a match.. I have responded to the list since I had multiple inquiries about the same thing.... Sg > >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsbDP022961 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsTku031118; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DqqMs088354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DqoH2098702; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFPBA089833 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so18963nzi for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RabJoEqz8TY9pJU+10H3Xwcv727UgRfr7tca35NXiXQw4FUp731cydTz7P5oysHJrlISTNK2d9QWnPxNB5WQKLy75UkexA0f+3UapSJ/kYZMxvI2Wp0Pudp7vXyuYg87vqG0UfLv7KVR6G87mq5vQJIJRF8Xx9cxhsixzBP68P8= Received: by 10.64.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr69865qbb; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0VNFPBA089833 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What to do with old clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD95.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Better than donations to charity, more value-add than quilting from clothing scraps, launch your suit into orbit! This fabulous news from spaceweather.com SUITSAT: On February 3rd, astronauts plan to hurl an old spacesuit overboard from the International Space Station. The disembodied suit, nicknamed "SuitSat," will proceed to circle Earth, transmitting a radio message which anyone can hear using a police scanner or a ham radio tuned to 145.990 MHz FM. This strange experiment is a test of a sensible idea--that old spacesuits might be transformed into useful satellites. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsfED022963 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsYUm026191; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DsFmJ088945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsE70000374; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112R0n8056038 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:26:55 -0800 Message-ID: <43E01C6E.4000703@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:26:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 02:26:55.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[F84C88E0:01C626D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD9A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tania, you might want to ask Bjarne...he'd probably know. Sg Tania Gruning wrote: > Hiya all. > > I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th century. > > Tania > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:55:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dt9Pu022975 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:55:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dt2pw030012; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Dsd3u089153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsclU000862; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k116GTex016489 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GWDi9GRM3fXT45yU3oZJW40cr5NmGNjQ9mQzw7LAzcecV4Iayb4ioYWuZyE3rHTG; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.170.82] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4BI3-0004BJ-Qe for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:16:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131051932.02405350@surewest.net> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131051932.02405350@surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B76C8FF-8F55-4AF2-8129-95DC6E8A96A5@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:17:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce90bb6d8ba50e151989b08df3026e9a4ab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.170.82 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BDB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Jan 31, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 04:44 AM 1/31/2006, you wrote: >> I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? >> [snip] > > It just means that the inventory of the wardrobe still exists. We > don't have very many extant (i.e., surviving) clothing pieces. It depends on what you mean by "very many". Compared to how many were made and worn--no. Compared to how many people _think_ are still extant -- you might be surprised. (I know I have been.) Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:57:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dvlae023030 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:57:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DveEI031161; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:57:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DpkqG087969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11Dphtw097580; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112H0oj048245 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so40830wxc for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:17:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R7I4U8iiK0mvYQONZK95I/nGX1G7u/JMDzF0i5r24SV4DfPpUpBmDPlCDJ8/iMsH0gJpNEICM3xl6yBPVyWvp0DpSibJh9f9zypzoK7aZ429fBL9MhYrbFocpEpSJW9RkS1h4OS5wJSoqQuoEr9LnBsP8D+CH1i4TqnpszSGkpo= Received: by 10.70.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr4363887wxj; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0601311816h58096a10m86a48c9b52f6a45c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:16:59 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18c stays In-Reply-To: <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200601301900.k0UJ0VDt022013@net.indra.com> <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:57:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BE54.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11Dvlae023030 Status: RO Okay, this is overwhelming! So, basically, there are two "easy" patterns out there: JP Ryan and Butterick. And from all the discussion, it looks like there are a variety of preferences for the boning: - cable ties - reed - metal - plastic (but it sounds like this is not the ideal option, since plastic is sweaty no matter where you live). Well, I guess as I work on finishing the current garment, I'll start planning for the corset... at least the first one. At this point, I suppose I'm just making a costume, but as I continue and learn, I'll be able to construct things a little more authentically. Our winter in Eastern PA has been fairly mild... it actually hit the 60's this week! Kristin On 1/31/06, Mia Dappert wrote: > > > Hi Mia, > > The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would > at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. > > I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a > second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - > but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is > whether > to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... > and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a > yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and > red. > > I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next > year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding > dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to > avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I > do > have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a > sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may > risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with > what's > affordable. > > Kristin > > > Oh stays..., I've done several, but since I'm an active reenactor, and > trying to progress to a more authentic reenactor, my solutions, might not be > your solutions. > Like I said, the butterick pattern seems to be good, especially for 3rd > quarter or so 18th c. Making 18c stays is not as hard as one might > think. just somewhat time consuming. And I always have challenges with the > fit. For the stays I've done I've, > 1. used the J.P Ryan patterns (very nice- and gives that good ice cream > cone shape.) I used metal and cable ties and that stringy box binding stuff > that is almost like whale bone...this is not a good description, but I > really don't know how to do better. These were really nice. > 2. used the later 18c pattern from Hunnicut, and blew it up on a copy > machine. these were nice too. I used basket cane and metal bones at the > stress points. These were nice too > 3. Back to JP Ryan for the pattern, bound in leather, wool covered, fully > boned, cable ties and metal in stress points, cane everywhere else. They > are really beautiful. > 3. on the table to do now. the butterick pattern, cut out in linen, will > be halfboned with ? > > All done on the machine > > For me basket caning works, but i am frequently out in the heat of a North > Carolina Summer. Anything Plastic just doesn't breathe enough for me. I've > never had a piece of cane break. and boy does it support!! > > Choice of patterns ...JP Ryan is good, the butterick is good. I don't > have the skills to draft one from scratch and have it come out looking like > I want it to. > > Again all these choices are based on where you are wearing it, and what > you want it for. Costume and just for fun has different needs than > reenactor and museum work. > > 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC where there is no sign of winter. Boy i'm not > looking forward to another hot summer... gotta get those linen stays done. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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Status: RO I would consider Robert Trump to be an expert BTW. He is with the St. Louis Opera still I believe. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:59:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dxsr3023093 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DxlaY019858; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DsNSD089017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsNrB000555; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53114.mail.yahoo.com (web53114.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k113S58g095520 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mlysett@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7152 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2006 03:27:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mRBYGkL6fRvQmDxlF+7LW+znoubHRe3e+y7ZFmG0K7XSgDjLlY6nK9OH7BgpZ/pWcYqdfahUODvgdaA/+MkmFXu42wqBR84ee7xfkqnJYMeclagEOznQWKTIwMSQQAiqkmdhpcGvYAD1kUixkSYcRyCEWxXPeZ/tOoo2mTON31g= ; Message-ID: <20060201032759.7150.qmail@web53114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.250.32.108] by web53114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:59 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: mlysett To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] History of the Parasol X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BED3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, I've recently written an article on the history of the parasol through the 16th and early 17th centuries. Over the last 4 or 5 years, reenactors and faire people have repeatedly told me "parasols aren’t period." I've had the evidence to support their use for at least as long, but I finally decided to make a formal article about it. Although I am selling items elsewhere on this site, my goal with this article wasn't to sell more, but to provide reenactors with the evidence to dispel this particular myth. So, I invite anyone interested to have a look. You may check out the article at http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/parasolhist.html. I will be forwarding this article to several lists during the next few days, so I apologize if you receive this several times. I hope you all enjoy, Margaret Roe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:26:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EQDX0023586 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EQ6kA012164; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EPe8j003938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:25:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EPZ35036639; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EPWq7036518 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k11EPPj22260.; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:25:25 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:25:25 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:25:09 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of the Parasol Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k11EPWq7036518 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:26:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C4FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fascinating article, Margaret! Your parasols look great. One minor point; Sir Henry Unton would be referred to as "Sir Henry", not "Sir Unton". ( "Sir" is never used with the family name alone. I suppose knighthood existed before surnames were established.) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:36:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EaQj6023797 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:36:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EaJ3C017039; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EZu9m005521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EZr6g045078; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11E6gew017432 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A6D1A5006E for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:06:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c62738$ba2e0db0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:06:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:36:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C763.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Rigsarkivet has some i know. For instance the whole portefeuille that went to Sweden when Sophia Magdalena married Gustav III in Sweden 1766. Her whole wardrobe is there documented. I dont know how far back they go though, but i believe i have read refferences to renaissance inventories in the danish book called Dagligliv i Norden i det 16. år. Af Troels Lund. Sorry for being late, ben buisy embroidering :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories > Tania, you might want to ask Bjarne...he'd probably know. > Sg > Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hiya all. >> I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories >> that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could >> be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th >> century. >> Tania >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on >> new and used cars. >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:39:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Ed03P023858 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:39:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EcrOb018249; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:38:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EcZgE005994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EcXkk047156; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:38:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f14.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EEioN026012 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:14:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:14:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [162.83.124.123] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:14:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 14:14:40.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7753640:01C62739] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:38:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C7FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How about approaching the fashion magazines, sewing magazines, or big design houses with a proposal? Or museums? Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories >Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:44:59 -0600 (CST) > >(He developed a >reasonable familiarity with costume terms because of the nature of that >work, but I would guess costume research doesn't pay the bills the way >family history or heraldic research does.) > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:44:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EiP9G023964 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:44:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EiITh020717; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:44:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EhdsJ006972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EhbD7051461; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EhVEZ051355 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E491E141 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43e02ad1.5e58 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D4MkT2tMfNQIAAAAB,9f9d809cc2faf4972318783972b063bf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning/reeds yet again X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060201064331.23A76379@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:44:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C942.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO <--- "Wanda Pease" wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11F9PaR024438 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:09:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11F9HZN000405; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:09:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11F8Qsu010758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11F8ILK070519; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k11F8EH5070429 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82687 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2006 15:08:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6h/n/6R0eZAgbIx2/0mxlUbwKOLg571NhfsnrXjzxrYU0eaq6QfLMbbn/pR29amMQZxTc2ejQBeIFLW0sQiWQE/iI1M1tQzXNaeMiB+fk/AC2Lj+bJUY9g/Ing0KY1vZsrJPB3M23UbVLc+cid9qIznT3080Ji12G9UHiw9wTSs= ; Message-ID: <20060201150808.82685.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:08:03 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:03 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: [h-cost] Re: the virgin queen To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:09:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0CF1D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Watched Episode 2 last night. The men's a >anachronistic breeches were more obvious this week >(though I liked the tennis scenes), and, as someone >commented, the women's skirts don't look as though >they have enough support (perhaps the designers >thought that farthingales would look as odd to >modern eyes as they thought trunk-hose would). >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor I know. I don't think I can watch it any more, it's just annoying me EVERY time I see them supposedly being regal and just looking floppy (skirted)... Mind you, Kevin McKidd looked mighty fine playing real tennis :-) so it's not all bad!! Katherine the not easily pleased. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:03:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11G3ww4025356 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:03:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11G3oee029252; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11G35Ef020351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:03:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11G32ru023819; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11G2vwp023713 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E038D47FF0A for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:02:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c62748$fcf570b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:03:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] inventories o/t Queen Sofie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0DBE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is an exhibition at Kronborg Castle in North Sealand, Denmark about the wedding of Frederik II and Sofie, his queen to be. They reconstrukted her weddingdress, and this link only shows a poor picture of it. Its after a portrait, and i think they did a very fine job..... http://www.ses.dk/58000a/GSID/661100 Sofie came from Germany and became queen in Denmark. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:14:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GEBln025556 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:14:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GE4Te002123; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11GDMvl022662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GCJNP034069; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GBG9i032704 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B1CD2628AF for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:11:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c6274a$1fee9370$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:14:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0DE4C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi sorry. There are more pictures of the dress if you go to: http://www.ses.dk/58000a/GSID/661100 Scroll down and there are 2 links written in blue. The first gives pictures of the opening of the exhibition with pictures of the dress, the second link is a windows movieclip about the wedding.. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:26:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GQpsw025778 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:26:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GQiPp008982; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11GQ89q025078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GQ55x048918; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GQ0hN048763 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.9e.359a6076 (15886) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e43e0e10b2e2; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:25:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <13d0d024a890de4683fe2540814fc3e9@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do with old clothes Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:25:45 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:26:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0E144.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11GQpsw025778 Status: RO Thanks for the info. Interesting... Other old clothes can be "recycled" by dropping them off at Animal Shelters to be used as rags or bedding for the shelter animals. Stained and "raggy" towels and other textiles are also useful to the shelters. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 31, 2006, at 6:15 PM, Cin wrote: > Better than donations to charity, more value-add than quilting from > clothing scraps, launch your suit into orbit! This fabulous news from > spaceweather.com > > SUITSAT: On February 3rd, astronauts plan to hurl an old spacesuit > overboard from the International Space Station. The disembodied suit, > nicknamed "SuitSat," will proceed to circle Earth, transmitting a > radio message which anyone can hear using a police scanner or a ham > radio tuned to 145.990 MHz FM. This strange experiment is a test of a > sensible idea--that old spacesuits might be transformed into useful > satellites. > > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:33:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GXA6u025917 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:33:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GX3Wl012356; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:33:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11GWA42026181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GW50B055751; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GW02Z055654 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4Ktk-0002Sv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3636953.1138811520413.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:31:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of the Parasol Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k11GW02Z055654 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0E2BF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO REALLY interesting article! Two little nits--when you mention "parare, to shield" in the etymology of "parasol," you should also mention "sol, sun." And please, in possessive form of "it," NO apostrophe. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy (English) and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: mlysett >Sent: Jan 31, 2006 10:27 PM >To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] History of the Parasol > >Hi all, > >I've recently written an article on the history of the parasol through >the 16th and early 17th centuries. > >Over the last 4 or 5 years, reenactors and faire people have repeatedly >told me "parasols aren’t period." I've had the evidence to support >their use for at least as long, but I finally decided to make a formal >article about it. > >Although I am selling items elsewhere on this site, my goal with this >article wasn't to sell more, but to provide reenactors with the >evidence to dispel this particular myth. So, I invite anyone >interested to have a look. You may check out the article at >http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/parasolhist.html. > >I will be forwarding this article to several lists during the next few >days, so I apologize if you receive this several times. > >I hope you all enjoy, >Margaret Roe > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:41:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GfVvT026119 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:41:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GfOtR016851; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:41:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Gen81027608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GclV4063278; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GcKM6062820 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4Kzk-0004jW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: <27685942.1138811892774.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:38:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:41:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0E4B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "She" looks beautiful--so simple and elegant. What are the fabrics, do you know? Thanks! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Feb 1, 2006 11:11 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie > >Hi sorry. >There are more pictures of the dress if you go to: >http://www.ses.dk/58000a/GSID/661100 >Scroll down and there are 2 links written in blue. >The first gives pictures of the opening of the exhibition with pictures of >the dress, the second link is a windows movieclip about the wedding.. > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 14:42:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11JgaEC030298 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:42:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11JgSS4007809; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:42:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11JZABs060920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JYgIH051997; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JYPn5051599 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF5D32628EE for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:34:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c62766$88f25c50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <27685942.1138811892774.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:34:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:42:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E10F25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie > "She" looks beautiful--so simple and elegant. What are the fabrics, do you > know? > Thanks! > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer Hi, I have not gone to se it yeat, but my guess is that it is made of red velvet with gold. The sleaves and the underdress i dont know! There is a portrait of her in that dress, but it only shows a little of the gown. She was the mother of our later king Christian IV, who builded many castles in Denmark. There is a saying about her birth of Christian. It was a very hot summers day, and she had ordered herself and some maids over to a little island lying just besides the Frederiksborg Castle. She came into labours, and gave birth to Christian there on the island. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 15:09:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11K9cmH030846 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:09:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11K9V3J019794; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11K8smI067079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JILwK033785; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:18:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JHdb7032839 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A94502A0; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:17:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 1 Feb 2006 14:17:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c62764$65319940$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:19:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:09:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E1157C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11K9cmH030846 Status: RO Hi all, I just got my copy of "Petite Dames du Mode" and it is all I had hoped for. It sure is inspiring for attempts of replication of by gone fashion. Also, my small crank pinker is Wonderful. It is about the size of a meat grinder that screws on to the table. There is a thumbnail guide re the spacing of the fabric being pinked. This helps the fabric to self feed as you crank...in the like manner of the early sewing machines. I prepared strips of fabric the other eve to be rusched and ran about 4 yards through the pinker in about 2 min. The fabric I was using was a very soft Egyptian cotton. The edges are somewhat feathery but uniform. Using a stiffer textile, I got the sharp zigzag one would expect. Martha Washington's Robe Anglais is looking very spiffy. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 15:52:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Kq5wp032130 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:52:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11KpvT9006966; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:52:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Kon1e073762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KofAl031125; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KoZd0031008 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 089D934B90 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:50:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:50:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <00ab01c626c3$c62f88c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:52:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E11F6D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO So your experience with noil is that it isn't a sturdy fabric? De -----Original Message----- >I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. > I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. > How sturdy is silk noil Not very. If you're going to use noil, you might as well use 100% cotton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 16:28:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LRv8g000780 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:27:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LRoi9024211; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11LQfkR081220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LPspU069213; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LPl1W069061 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU100KOI25NKWY1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:25:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:37:43 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. 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Status: RO Land of Oz wrote: > I've tried, but I can't think if a single way to make this costume > related! > Denise > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Be careful how much you eat or your costumes won't fit? ;) Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 16:39:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LdpDG001002 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:39:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LdiRk030064; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11LXsID082922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LXdGf077437; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LXItT077056 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU100KXH2IRLC12@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:33:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:45:35 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do with old clothes In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43E12BFF.4050003@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:39:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12AA0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'll pass this along to some of the ham radio people I know. Actually I'll get my husband to put it in the next issue of our radio club's newsletter (he's the editor). Jeanine n1qit Cin wrote: >Better than donations to charity, more value-add than quilting from >clothing scraps, launch your suit into orbit! This fabulous news from >spaceweather.com > >SUITSAT: On February 3rd, astronauts plan to hurl an old spacesuit >overboard from the International Space Station. The disembodied suit, >nicknamed "SuitSat," will proceed to circle Earth, transmitting a >radio message which anyone can hear using a police scanner or a ham >radio tuned to 145.990 MHz FM. This strange experiment is a test of a >sensible idea--that old spacesuits might be transformed into useful >satellites. > >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 16:57:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LvLvh001354 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:57:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LvEL3005915; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11LuQbB087587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LuK0f001189; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LuGON001129 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:56:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tayla@sablerose.net) Received: from [131.107.0.89] (helo=Altra5) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F4Pru0ymh-0000Y2; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:50:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00b201c62779$83694c40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "Sablerose" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3c9c42aeba403e1ee8a75ea2e4b2e0ab X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12EBA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For garmets I've found noil to be very sturdy, but the edges to have to be carefully finished. However, I would not recommend using it for a banner. It doesn't look like silk. It looks like slubby linen. Also, it is not color fast and will continue to shed dye every time you wash it. The cream noil lining of my green & blue noil dress is definitely now pale teal. If you're using high contrast colors, they will likely bleed on each other if it gets wet. You can get much lighter silks for probably about the same price. A friend who does silk dyed banners recommends Habotai. Check Dharma Traders. Tayla ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT > So your experience with noil is that it isn't a sturdy fabric? > > De > > -----Original Message----- >>I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. >> I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. >> How sturdy is silk noil > > Not very. If you're going to use noil, you might as well use 100% cotton. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:01:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M1Duw001447 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:01:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M16fd007832; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:01:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11M0cbh088641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:00:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11M0XPi005743; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KBUdP091272 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 34537A5008C for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:11:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:11:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:01:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12FA2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, Sorry that i got buisy and didnt answer all your nice replyes to the questions i gave about prices and embroidery. I suddently got an invitation for a Hunting Feast in Germany at the end of this month, and therefore got much more buisy than usual. A lady and her daughter invited me, and i have to make them embroidered purses as gifts. But worth of all i have to make myself a new suit! The party will last for 2 days, and there will be strolls in a castle wood nearby. This makes me want to bring 2 costumes with me. My blue suit for the evenings and a new one i have to make. I originally planned to embroider this fabric, but i have to cancel this. I will make it just plain with nice buttonholes. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm The bottom. Ill make a pale yellow waistcoat also plain for this jacket and breeches............ The green taffeta is shot in green and gold. I cant wear the embroidered old suit anymore. The embroidery is compleately worned out at the innersides of the cuffs. Its the gold bullion threads, that ruined the silk embroidery threads.............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:02:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M2680001461 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:02:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M1xiH010842; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:02:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11M1bUt088876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11M1MY8006765; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KpIgG031765 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [80.184.169.248] (helo=michaela) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1F4Owe3oFG-0006rm; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:51:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c62772$8db2d420$0202a8c0@michaela> From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c62764$65319940$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:00:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:7e614aaf292c2b5ff52c82c5afb1ffa4 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:02:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12FD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Kathleen, Where did you get this pinker? I would love to buy one... Thanks, Michaela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] book Hi all, I just got my copy of "Petite Dames du Mode" and it is all I had hoped for. It sure is inspiring for attempts of replication of by gone fashion. Also, my small crank pinker is Wonderful. It is about the size of a meat grinder that screws on to the table. There is a thumbnail guide re the spacing of the fabric being pinked. This helps the fabric to self feed as you crank...in the like manner of the early sewing machines. I prepared strips of fabric the other eve to be rusched and ran about 4 yards through the pinker in about 2 min. The fabric I was using was a very soft Egyptian cotton. The edges are somewhat feathery but uniform. Using a stiffer textile, I got the sharp zigzag one would expect. Martha Washington's Robe Anglais is looking very spiffy. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:08:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M8mN9001546 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:08:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M8f4K011109; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11M8GUI090200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11M8DRX013987; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k11M89FG013790 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97179 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2006 22:08:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SfIpg7DFrddtc/BqbM4QrZekSKhFnttWw7LEZvwH1wWN1BCE4dC1L7muTj+GAxTpnIpnZwNlekZcO6q0jOfjFueEO7RzAIe+LCBSGARnxwexdFcTppQTMLotUAUItuiaMqz27vdW4KAVzf01rUzhvfiifhe7sleoDxm5xXfp6BA= ; Message-ID: <20060201220802.97177.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:08:02 PST Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:08:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c62738$ba2e0db0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E13169.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Of Course Bjarne. Embroidering is more interesting than answering questions I should be able to find myself ;-) Tania Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Rigsarkivet has some i know. For instance the whole portefeuille that went to Sweden when Sophia Magdalena married Gustav III in Sweden 1766. Her whole wardrobe is there documented. I dont know how far back they go though, but i believe i have read refferences to renaissance inventories in the danish book called Dagligliv i Norden i det 16. år. Af Troels Lund. Sorry for being late, ben buisy embroidering :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories > Tania, you might want to ask Bjarne...he'd probably know. > Sg > Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hiya all. >> I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories >> that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could >> be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th >> century. >> Tania >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on >> new and used cars. >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:10:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E131EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11MB14L001577 Status: RO I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention would be nice. Any ideas? Tayla _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11MmDUv002176 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:48:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Mm6rR028315; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11MlgbY098929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11MlRl8055298; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11MlK7P055089 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F4Qkv-00067X-8K for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <+eIdXzA6oT4DJwYJ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:46:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? 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Status: RO It has at least as much caffeine as Coca Cola, and more sugar. I have known all-night programming/gaming types go back to the US and be unable to keep awake on Coke, having got used to Irn Bru! Also recommended in Scotland as a hangover cure. Jean Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote > >And what is Irn Bru? > >Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from >girders'. > >http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ > >Debs >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 19:33:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k120XOdg004110 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:33:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k120XGZR003313; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:33:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k120WekF017995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k120WZCX056153; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav3.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k120WVwY056044 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:32:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:32:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <291.4e28a9f.311147f3@aol.com> <+eIdXzA6oT4DJwYJ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:29:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 00:32:27.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[250C6120:01C62790] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Queen Sophie's reconstructed dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:33:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E1534C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just been surfing for information for my current project and came across this page http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/v1/person.asp?PersonID=12&countryID=2&PersonTypeID=2 with the portrait of Queen Sophie. Thought you might like to see it. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 20:26:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k121Q82E005045 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:26:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k121Q1qt023974; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k121PbDE024583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k121PY1K092728; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k121PVnT092591 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.237.624df3a (15898) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a43e15f82dc; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:25:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-Id: <51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k121Q82E005045 Status: RO ScotchGuard the wool? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Sablerose wrote: > I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. > > I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter > white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and > use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to > make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to > harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention > would be nice. Any ideas? > > Tayla > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 21:54:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k122sp3i005975 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:54:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k122siYX022362; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:54:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k122rAuc038574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k122r45W054993; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k122r08s054944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.51] (pool180-65.patriot.net [209.249.180.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k122qTRU030280 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:52:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0601311816h58096a10m86a48c9b52f6a45c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601301900.k0UJ0VDt022013@net.indra.com> <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33a78bfb0601311816h58096a10m86a48c9b52f6a45c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:51:31 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18c stays Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17474.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >And from all the discussion, it looks like there are a variety of >preferences for the boning: > >- cable ties >- reed >- metal 1/4" white steel 1/2" white steel 1/4" spiral 1/2" spiral >- plastic Dritz featherboning 1/4" Rigiline 1/2" Rigiline Wissner (the German type) in several widths and thicknesses And there is another type - I remember seeing it sold by Grannd Garb. >(but it sounds like this is not the ideal option, since plastic is >sweaty no matter where you live). It's all sweaty. Metal does not "breathe", though I suppose the spiral type is more permeable than the white steel. Rigiline is also a woven thing, but it's nylon & polyester. A lot of it is a matter of body type and the amount of support wanted. They had fully-boned and half-boned stays. Half-boned will breathe more no matter what boning material is used. I never had a problem with sweaty stays - I find a linen shift underneath is quite comfy. At an outdoor event in 90 degrees, everyone is hot no matter what they are wearing. A handkerchief also keeps for sun protection. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:01:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12312gg006030 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:01:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1230t6W024736; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:00:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1230L2O040014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1230Dkt061057; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12309wT060983 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:00:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m117.in-tch.com [216.166.191.117]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k122pkv09187 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:51:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005901c627a5$c233ce60$75bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <291.4e28a9f.311147f3@aol.com> <+eIdXzA6oT4DJwYJ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:00:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E175E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The best (used loosely) beverage equivalents for staying-awake purposes (at least, here in the U.S.) would be Mountain Dew, and Jolt. Jolt advertises itself as having "all the sugar and twice the caffeine" of regular colas. I know it kept me awake a time or two (or three...) when I was in college. Dunno about using it for a hangover cure, though. I've been known to use a good, cold Coke Classic or two to help whomp a migraine, though.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? > It has at least as much caffeine as Coca Cola, and more sugar. I have > known all-night programming/gaming types go back to the US and be unable > to keep awake on Coke, having got used to Irn Bru! > > Also recommended in Scotland as a hangover cure. > > Jean > > > Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote > > > >And what is Irn Bru? > > > >Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from > >girders'. > > > >http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ > > > >Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:06:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1236kbK006065 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:06:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1236dvi027127; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:06:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1236FEW041196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1236Etu065608; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:06:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1236AQZ065485 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.f6.60ec1343 (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:05:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:06:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17740.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Habotai is good too - but potentially *any* strong coloured silks will run if the rain is heavy enough, as they're generally manufactured as dry clean only, so it's never intended that they'll com into contact with huge amounts of water. Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:08:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1238B6x006078 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12382MA015538; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:08:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1237cTI041357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1237b4W066532; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1237VlP066403 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.88.358ca794 (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:07:21 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <88.358ca794.3112d169@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:07:21 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: crisps? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:08:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17792.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/06 3:01:58 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Also recommended in Scotland as a hangover cure. > > Jean for which it works wonderfully!! Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:13:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123DtKg006106 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:13:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123DjVC029736; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:13:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k123BB61041897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123BAJY069173; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123B6c2069068 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fd.114c3e1b (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:57 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1fd.114c3e1b.3112d241@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: crisps X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:13:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E178E9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/06 3:01:58 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > The best (used loosely) beverage equivalents for staying-awake purposes (at > least, here in the U.S.) would be Mountain Dew, Nigel (other half) was incredibly upset when they withdrew mountain dew over here, cos he loved it (couldn't stand it personally). But we also have red bull as a stay awake thing - fabulous since they brought in the sugar free one - but incredibly bad for you - huge quantities of caffiene, and taurine, just for that extra kick! Oh - and to bring the crisps etc thing back on topic, a friend once made a pair of trouers out of old crisp packets... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:28:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123ShOj006400 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:28:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123SWjr002537; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:28:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k123RMDs044911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:27:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123RKSB081368; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123RFwJ081266 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) Received: from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2bb.3dbb4a5 (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Message-ID: <2bb.3dbb4a5.3112d606@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:27:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Nostalgic Needle contact and order information X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:28:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17C60.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for all the feedback. Creating a website for Nostalgic Needle was a bigger endeavor than I realized it would be. Sorry about the typos, "bukkion," should have read "bullion," The top of each page has the email address, however a contact us link is a good idea. The reason we hadn't put any links was so would not alienate any of the many shops that carry Nostalgic Needle charts. When we update will have to include a list of shops and their links. Four shops that do carry Nostalgic Needle are: _Needlework Samplers Traditional Stitches_ (http://traditionalstitches.com/) _http://www.emlis.com/nostalgic.htm_ (http://www.emlis.com/nostalgic.htm) Lucia's Needle Arts 1948 S. Main St. Mansfield, PA 16933-9700 1-888-662-7024 _www.flyingneedle.com_ (http://www.flyingneedle.com/) _flying@epix.net_ (mailto:flying@epix.net) _www.crisscrossrow.com_ (http://www.crisscrossrow.com) Thanks again for all the responses, Ola At 5:46 PM -0500 1/30/06, ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >I agree with Ann. I used Safari on a Mac OS X and it was fine--pages >loaded very quickly. The colors were quite nice for me, and the >design of the pages was clear and consistent. I liked the stitch >listings (is there really a stitch called "bukkion," though? I'd >have thought "bullion," but I'm not an advanced student of >embroidery! >Order and contact information are really needed for this appetizing >presentation. Yes, I think a bit of copy-editing is needed in a few places. I think I noticed "splender" (for splendor), "acron" (for acorn), and "The inspiration for this sampler are..." I gather that these kits are not available from the website directly? If they are, ordering info is definitely needed. If not, a link to some retailers who carry them would be much appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:56:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123u8DZ006724 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:56:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123u0W3012428; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:56:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k123tLmn050574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123tGQu002479; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123tES7002374 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1D9A1EE5 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:55:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E182A1.5050904@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:55:13 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:56:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E182D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > ScotchGuard the wool? > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 23:22:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k124MJPH006911 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:22:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k124MCOv021684; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:22:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k124LU5d054368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k124LSQE021022; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k124LOJi020926 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A8BD0324; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:21:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 1 Feb 2006 23:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c627b0$5f7b95e0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c62764$65319940$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> <000401c62772$8db2d420$0202a8c0@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:23:08 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:22:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E188F4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This was a 'by chance' item on e-Bay. I happened to look in on a sellers other items. We have had a discussion of pinkers on the List before. There seem to be some modern repros of tools that will "pink" out there but they do not seem to be as convenient as this old 19th C. tool proves to be. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] book > Dear Kathleen, > > Where did you get this pinker? I would love to buy one... > > Thanks, > Michaela > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:19 PM > Subject: [h-cost] book > > > Hi all, I just got my copy of "Petite Dames du Mode" and it is all I had > hoped for. It sure is inspiring for attempts of replication of by gone > fashion. > > Also, my small crank pinker is Wonderful. It is about the size of a meat > grinder that screws on to the table. There is a thumbnail guide re the > spacing of the fabric being pinked. This helps the fabric to self feed as > you crank...in the like manner of the early sewing machines. I prepared > strips of fabric the other eve to be rusched and ran about 4 yards through > the pinker in about 2 min. The fabric I was using was a very soft Egyptian > cotton. The edges are somewhat feathery but uniform. Using a stiffer > textile, I got the sharp zigzag one would expect. > > Martha Washington's Robe Anglais is looking very spiffy. > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 00:11:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125BLxM007226 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:11:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125BDgD006054; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:11:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k125AS9n061596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k125AMEe054679; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k125AIG5054553 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 42240 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 05:10:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d+co1wOFuUbLT5Qugi926tPoJMnZovOPp8KI1MCBaNZXl6X2wutBhrNkFdtTaw77HXF/RK6cxskqj6KNZb3Mx00p2Hhtex4RR7SRhu38lIF8MCB/A3TWy9+LlHwF0CTfBxWzZ5lDaH5V8X6OQYn6MVc4/wvzY8KeW68slrWa0Cg= ; Message-ID: <20060202051012.42237.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:10:12 PST Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Would this also work on the wool crepe I will be using for my son's Frobisher outfit? I doubt he will be able to afford to dry clean it after every weekend at the Faire and I really doubt his skill in handwashing. --- Dawn wrote: > Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew > anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 00:49:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125nf9f007457 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:49:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125nYX0019572; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k125mtKH070602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k125mrbD090729; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k125mna1090657 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4XKr-0001JW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:48:49 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060201234638.02b7b990@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:50:30 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> References: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: protecting wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:49:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E19D6E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tayla, "Camp Dry" might work - it's a spray which I found at Wal-Mart in the camping supplies area. I would test first on a scrap, to make sure it doesn't discolor your fabric. It worked great on a suede bomber jacket, however. Sandy At 09:00 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: >From: "Sablerose" >Subject: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > >I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. > >I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter >white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and >use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to >make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to >harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention >would be nice. Any ideas? > >Tayla "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. 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Status: RO Susan Data-Samtak and Donna wrote: >> ScotchGuard the wool? >> > >Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. Is it still made? A fellow costumer thought it wasn't. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k12EfMue003877 Status: RO I've seen Scotchguard in the Food Stores in NJ. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Sablerose wrote: > Susan Data-Samtak and Donna wrote: > >>> ScotchGuard the wool? >>> >> >> Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > Is it still made? A fellow costumer thought it wasn't. > > Tayla > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 10:34:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12FYqjp005065 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:34:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12FYjjV019102; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:34:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12FVJ1e063183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12FVGNV007195; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12FVAMP007095 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD56A1F73 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E225CA.6010007@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:31:22 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO > > > Is it still made? A fellow costumer thought it wasn't. > > Tayla > Yes, ScotchGuard is still being made. It was taken off the market a few years back and reformulated (that was the rumor, anyway) but it is back now. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:34:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IYc0D007621 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IYUJD017710; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12IWiMX017670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IWMXC093078; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123YNxN086065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k125F7Ic021808 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:15:07 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:38:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602012238.31967.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:34:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E250B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wednesday 01 February 2006 3:11 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I cant wear the embroidered old suit anymore. The embroidery is compleately > worned out at the innersides of the cuffs. Its the gold bullion threads, > that ruined the silk embroidery threads.............. It seems a shame that the embroidery on your old suit is worn out. On the other hand, what a wonderful excuse for you to create new, even more wonderful embroidery! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:36:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Iaav4007638 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:36:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IaT6k014329; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:36:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12Ia5oA019421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IZp5f097239; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12DlqsO019944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0106.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.106]:3500 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1F4eoP-0002IL-Mi for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:47:50 -0500 Message-ID: <43E20D81.3010005@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:47:45 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Stain resistant wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2512D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It seems to me I read years ago that wool was naturally stain resistant, perhaps due to the lanolin in it. Anyway, that was one of the reasons it was touted as an ideal travel fabric, it doesn't wrinkle as you wear it, is easy to dewrinkle in a steamy shower, it doesn't hold onto stains, it is comfortable over a large range of temperatures due to it's breathability, and since it absorbs moisture and still keeps you warm, it is even good in cold damp weather and not sweaty in hot weather... well you get the picture. anyway, I believe the stain resistance is a quality of the wool. Scotchgard would just impair it's other good qualities. Kitty On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Sablerose wrote: >> I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. >> >> I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter >> white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and >> use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to >> make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to >> harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention >> would be nice. Any ideas? >> >> Tayla _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:37:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IbDI5007651 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:37:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Ib6RV019081; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:37:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12IadFH019709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IaWUm097863; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12Dt7PI025643 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m189.in-tch.com [216.166.191.189]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k12Dkjv18638 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:46:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000601c62801$43002880$bdbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> <43E182A1.5050904@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Why shoulders? --Sue, more apt to get the upper front of her dirty than anything.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:38:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Ic8Tv007673 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:38:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Ic191027986; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12IbPMu020162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:37:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IbHD5098895; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k12EFWmx045657 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15364 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 14:15:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LKNo6iTBCWH6AZeym2U0younN9YKdx7gojHzlHz3VybS3X9EUddkOMWxCQ90LDeQqSovL1gFEvitUknwWlzH3LJhKiFpCi9L+6uKB6pel1BY5ejwMTU9UwqLf4crfQELNoUSLNjDooDz69CWbz9Ca762p5pzIIVDZ01bItF9DJg= ; Message-ID: <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 06:15:27 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602011400.k11E0GaM009498@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:18c stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:38:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E25189.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey Kristin, First, take a deep breath, Then decide what direction you want, or even think you might want to go in. This will help you make your boning and pattern decisions. Just for the pleasure of doing it? Only wearing it once a year, indoors in air conditioning? Don't need much support? Plastic boning is probably OK, Wearing it all day, all weekend at a reenactment? Working and bending in it doing laundry at a museum site? A little more bosom to support? All your friends are hyper authenic? Different choices. I saw you are in PA. Where? Some of the 18 cent reenactor folks run workshops in that NY/PA/MD area. Being in NC, I'm too far away to take advantage of them, but they might fit your ticket. Your e-friend MIa in Far off Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 14:40:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12JetcI008628 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Jeltr022367; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12JdXhT044086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12JAXov033931; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12JAGfX033653 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EF81A7B7 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.1b7ed for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D4lkWqItQZQIAAAAB,a699451049a0b1c0db880457469fe243 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jolt, was Crisps X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060202111014.23A6EF10@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:40:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2603F.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --- "Sue Clemenger" wrote: The best (used loosely) beverage equivalents for staying-awake purposes (at least, here in the U.S.) would be Mountain Dew, and Jolt. Jolt advertises itself as having "all the sugar and twice the caffeine" of regular colas. I know it kept me awake a time or two (or three...) when I was in college. Dunno about using it for a hangover cure, though. I've been known to use a good, cold Coke Classic or two to help whomp a migraine, though.... --Sue Ever heard of a drink called a Black Russian? My husband was initially taught to make them with Coca-Cola and vodka. He proceeded to concoct something he called a Black Cossack - made with Jolt and Polish Pure Spirit ( 80%Alcohol ). I think it got called a Black Cossack because it kicked like one. ;-P I was never game to try one. ( Yes, I'm chicken. ) It still pales into insignificance beside the time ( a loooong time ago ) when the boys of the house wanted to have a drink, but all that was left in the house was the tail ends of about 6 bottles of spirits. They decided to mix them all together. This concoction then proceded to settle and separate into about 4 different layers and colours ( it didn't curdle! ) and the glass was warm to the touch from the chemical reaction. :-0 They promptly named it 'A Mad Scientist' and drank it. And didn't die. ( And were never able to duplicate it :-> ) Never tried Coke for a migraine. Hmmm....... Joannah _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 15:02:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12K29HW009067 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:02:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12K22CO002232; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:02:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12K1TOq047577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12K140W092529; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:01:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12K0Dsd091503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:00:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k12Jxug07515 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:59:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 02 Feb 2006 13:59:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:59:55 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:59:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Protecting wool? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:02:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2653A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Why shoulders? --Sue, more apt to get the upper front of her dirty than anything.... ----- Original Message ----- > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > Dawn ================================== Also top of the hood. These are the areas that will get the wettest if you are standing out in the rain :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 15:49:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Kne3t009912 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12KnXG1027544; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12KlHYm056172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12Kl9PV039998; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k12Kl590039943 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 22170 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 12:47:04 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22161, pid: 22165, t: 0.7708s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 12:47:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060202124219.02307008@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:46:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Protecting wool? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:49:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2705D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:59 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >Why shoulders? >--Sue, more apt to get the upper front of her dirty than anything.... >----- Original Message ----- > > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray >OUTSIDE. > > > > Dawn >================================== >Also top of the hood. These are the areas that will get the wettest if >you are standing out in the rain :). > >Catherine Well, wool actually is warmer and sheds water better after it gets a bit damp because the fibers expand and form a better insulator. All I do with my wool outfits is let them dry and then brush them off; only if something is really dirty do I bother to wash it. Full cleaning is not needed every time a wool outfit is worn if you wear the proper undergarments. The undergarments, on the other hand, should be washed after each wearing (that's why I have two shifts, one for each day of a weekend). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 16:02:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12L2e40010174 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:02:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12L2X2w001622; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12L2CwR059231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12L27TQ055613; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12L225J055417 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F463A1F73 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:01:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:02:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:02:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E27369.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sablerose wrote: > But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of reach of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to keep clean if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 16:41:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12LewG3010695 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:40:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Lephv021826; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12LeFPZ072789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12LeFQ3094955; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k12LeBRo094905 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 10601 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 13:40:11 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 10569, pid: 10589, t: 1.0784s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 13:40:10 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060202133908.02307478@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:40:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO At 01:35 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a >black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak >which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut >it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document >the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and >such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand >sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. > >While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line >with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar >fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on >its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not >really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? > >Tayla > >[snip] The period solution would probably be silk. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 16:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12LkGWv010769 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:46:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Lk9U8031034; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:46:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12LZbNr071827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12LZV9A090017; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12LZRgC089958 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tayla@sablerose.net) Received: from [131.107.0.104] (helo=Altra5) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F4m6w0A9b-0007mo; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:35:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "Sablerose" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? Tayla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > Sablerose wrote: > >> But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? > > The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the > knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf > or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of reach > of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to keep clean > if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 17:15:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MFqiK011768 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:15:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MFj2N005528; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:15:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12MFGOx079878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MF7je032304; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MF3ov032142 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4600250; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:14:56 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 2 Feb 2006 17:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c62846$534fd380$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net><00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060202133908.02307478@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Re the polar fleece, it does not breathe and can trap body moisture on the inside. I am always too warm when I wear a very nice jacket I made. (And of course, it isn't exactly period... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > At 01:35 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: > >Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a > >black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak > >which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut > >it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document > >the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and > >such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand > >sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. > > > >While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line > >with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar > >fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on > >its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not > >really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? > > > >Tayla > > > >[snip] > > The period solution would probably be silk. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 17:37:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MbiUF012079 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:37:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Mbbjo014627; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:37:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12MaqBK084399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MakBg054475; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MafH0054392 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247e1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.225]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EBE43A50067 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:36:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c62849$28bee2c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601301304.k0UD4M5F086266@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fashion dolls again. Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:36:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:37:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E289B1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Oh yes i am such a fool not thinking about this. There are lots of these dolls for sale. I even found a seller in England that was selling a Mat doll and a female doll i could have used and i could have saved the tax fee for importing to Europe............ Well two late :-( Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Pothmann" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: fashion dolls again. > Hi all, > > I might be a bit late on this subject, but... > > "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote on Fri, 20 Jan 2006 > 18:07:54... > >>I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish >>importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > > Bjarne, it might be less expensive to buy those dolls directly in the US, > on Ebay.com, instead of buying them from an importer. > On Ebay.com you'll find several dealers who also sell nude dolls, which > are just perfect for dressing them ;-) > I've bought several of them this way when I started making doll costumes. > See some of my doll costumes - mostly Victorian and Elizabethan - here: > http://www.naergilien.info/dollclothing.htm > I mostly make Victorian and Elizabethan clothing - not only dolls - but > currently I'm about to make a Rococo gown for Tyler, > with stays and panier, of course :-) > >>Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > > Emme is just perfect, I also have her! She looks like Glenn Close, and > with a reroot, she can act as a perfect Queen > Elizabeth I. :-) > I have Tyler, Emme, Kitty Collier (18''), Gene, Jadde Lee and Brenda > Starr; they're beautiful to work with. > > Best wishes, > Naergi > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 17:50:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MocML012253 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:50:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MoVY5020219; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12Mnw9m086901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12Mnsie068059; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MnmcG067827 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2948A1F73 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:49:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E28C99.20908@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:50:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Re the polar fleece, it does not breathe and can trap body moisture on the > inside. I am always too warm when I wear a very nice jacket I made. (And of > course, it isn't exactly period... And fleece pills with wear. Even if you think it looks nice now, it won't after a while. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:27:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NR2SI012813 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:27:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NQth6003270; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:26:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NQBFO093721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQ6i6005001; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQ2sM004887 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c4.3928e569 (15862) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R08 (fwm-r08.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.136]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df643e29500218; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.136) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.136 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2953F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century pirate coat out of it. Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:27:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NRRSB012825 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:27:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NRKbW028339; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NQr8g093790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQrQg005676; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQnF3005585 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:26:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.36.80 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:26:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.36.80] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k12NRRSB012825 Status: RO I lined my winter cloak with heavy 100% cotton flannel, sold as flannel chamois. It's warm and soft, shows no signs of pilling and came in various solid colors. Of course, I don't know who sells it now that JoAnne's has discontinued it. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NXAU6012914 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:33:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NX3GL005783; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NWdZX094632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NWdRk011501; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NWVX4011378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 8145 invoked by uid 507); 3 Feb 2006 10:32:29 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 10:32:29 +1100 Message-ID: <0ee701c62850$eb42b4f0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:32:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E296AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I always prewash my wool, especially if it's going to be lined, a jacket usually shrinks in length by an inch or two with the type of wool I use. Not sure what would happen with gaberdine, but it doesn't take long to pre-wash anyway. It also washes out any chemicals used in the processing, so I don't get rashes when working with it. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Wool > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. > > Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, > wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:45:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NjJf5013079 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NjCtd011145; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NijVc097066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NifMt023671; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NiY0S023491 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:41:19 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Protecting wool? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:44:37 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <004501c62852$a09fe2e0$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 thread-index: AcYoQi3rrqezdMtGQ1yBR7rZYtl7jQAEAIvw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 23:41:19.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AE77900:01C62852] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:45:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E29988.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would recommend against the (polar)fleece- it is mostly Polyester, and rubbing against the wool every step you take could generate some "short, sharp shocks." Lamb fleece OTOH would be great, but quite heavy! My .02 lira, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sablerose Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? Tayla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > Sablerose wrote: > >> But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? > > The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the > knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf > or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of reach > of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to keep clean > if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 19:31:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k130VCXn013628 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:31:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k130V5QB030206; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:31:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k130UK80004985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k130UASv068919; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k130U1SR068737 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 20784 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 01:29:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:29:30 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:31:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1070.67.188.164.116.1138926716.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:31:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:31:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2A449.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? I always pre-wash my wool. As someone said, it washes out any chemicals used in processing and it leaves you the *option* of washing it again. Honestly, I have never had to wash an entire garment that I have made in my 15-odd years of sewing historical costumes. Spot cleaning works fine or putting my hem in the bathtub ;~> > It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. Also, washing a wool gabardine will shrink it and thicken it up a bit so it will be less modern-looking. Every little bit helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 20:47:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k131l2kX014593 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:47:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k131kt6F029862; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:46:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k131jtiB017293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k131joBh035288; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k131jkm9035182 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:45:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:45:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:45:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 01:45:46.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D1477C0:01C62863] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:46:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2B60F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Are you going to throw the jacket in the wash once it's made? That's usually my idea when working with any fabric. If I want to wash the garment in a machine once it's made, I wash the material in Hot water and dry in the dryer (unless I'm fulling cloth for an 18thC coat, then I full properly, not in the dryer). Wool is wonderful to work with, take a small piece of it and play with it before you sew your garment. It will streatch and shrink under steam and heat, it will go whereever you tell it to. Play with it first, then you'll get the feel of it! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Wool > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. > > Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, > wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 21:49:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k132n79n015176 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:49:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k132n0eJ021708; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:49:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k132kpw7031033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k132kkYo089780; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k132kiuu089736 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so524616wri for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:46:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=aKyYhhsmrcxAA8Y+F86dw4kykynz3+BIAdtor0A7GBS9/5mDvuWKMcUTmvS3kHjusDBc/cIQ50/nhX76y4HvtBjl9fZM5jBBs3icwKa+FGhY2lIr8V6tWU/rcXinttw99tBilc6wlKWrOznrZUguLNw1+KOGjnrrwzA6YCOp560= Received: by 10.54.127.16 with SMTP id z16mr1488846wrc; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm4768299wrl.2006.02.02.18.46.42; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:46:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013201c6286c$111fbef0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> <43E20D81.3010005@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Stain resistant wool Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:46:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2C49C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > It seems to me I read years ago that wool was naturally stain resistant, > perhaps due to the lanolin in it. Yes, and also waterproof for the same reason. The wool we get now, though, has been treated chemically, so it's not quite as good. Still worth it though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 00:46:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k135kK54016632 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:46:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k135kCSc018527; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:46:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k135j2VZ060048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k135ieLc037213; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k135iNT8036972 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id AAA04644; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:44:22 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200602030544.AAA04644@arkroyal.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:44:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200601301332.k0UDVtFF004417@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k135iNT8036972 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sees X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2EE24.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ---- wrote: > ObCostume: So, for those familiar with See's -- what era is the > inspiration/origin of their uniforms? (See > for an example.) It strikes me as > somehow earlier rather than later 20th century, but the 20th century > isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen some hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. Fortunately their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their uniforms...those poor ladies... Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 01:03:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1363ZqP016725 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:03:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1363STa024855; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:03:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1362UJA062966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1362NHP053420; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1362EZV053210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 26679 invoked by uid 507); 3 Feb 2006 17:02:13 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 17:02:13 +1100 Message-ID: <109501c62887$5c251d30$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602030544.AAA04644@arkroyal.concentric.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sees Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:02:04 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2F230.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've seen worse, Darrell Lea in Australia used to have their shop assistants in a large shapeless shift with a huge floppy bow about the same place as this uniform. Shocking! Unfortunately, I can't find a photo of these on the net. Anyone else in OZ have any pics? Glenda. , but the 20th century >> isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... > > I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen some > hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. Fortunately > their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their uniforms...those > poor ladies... > > Julie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 03:14:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k138E0qI031342 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:14:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k138DrO2006624; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k138D9kN082717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k138D5ep056749; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k138D1C1056686 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F4w3v2swX-0002sE; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: <011801c62899$9d3bb100$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:12:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th Century Effigies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:13:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E310C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k138E0qI031342 Status: RO Passing this alone from another list... Good news! A brand new research resource for c16th dress arrives on line - a pilot database of images is available at: http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies This is the first stage of a project to photograph and make available photographs of Tudor effigies in UK churches. The pilot database contains 44 effigies with photographs of items and features of dress. This represents about two per cent of the material that could be compiled from similar sources. Eventually, each effigy and its details will have a description with appropriate c16th terms and an explanation of how they were worn. The database has been compiled by Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies at Winchester School of Art. Feedback on the usefulness of the images and suggestions for improvement will help with an application for continued funding for the project. 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Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 05:15:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AFsWx009431 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:15:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AFkFX014230; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13AEIhW014937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13AE2xk043996; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13ADuaW043935 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24759.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.89]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A1BBCA5006E for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:13:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c628aa$927684f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:14:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linning of cape X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:15:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E32D52.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sablerose" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? Hi, i didnt follow the thread, sorry. Wich period is your cloak? 18th century cloaks are not lined. The one i made is angle lenght, cut after a williamsburg cloak and has 2 collars on. I close mine with tin hooks and eyes, 3 in all. Its not lined, and originals wasnt either. Bjarne > While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line with? > I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar fleece. This is > blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on its own. Has anyone > lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not really an option for me, so what > other historically accurate options do I have? > > Tayla > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > > >> Sablerose wrote: >> >>> But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? >> >> The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the >> knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf >> or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of >> reach of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to >> keep clean if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 05:18:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AIfqk009459 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:18:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AIY0A015142; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13AHMKM016001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13AHMow046194; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13AHIPu046145 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24759.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.89]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A0898262858 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:17:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c628ab$119dc9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:17:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E32DFA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Wool is very nice to work with. It presses and irons well and the only thing you should be conserned about is when you steam press seams. Be sure to use a cloth on top, some times it makes shiny marks on the surface. My cloak is made of wool flannel, and it is also very light, but if drapes so well. Good luck! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Wool > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. > > Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, > wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 06:35:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13BZg4e010226 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:35:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13BZZDo011224; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13BTt0l027057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13BToF1004238; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13BTlX3004110 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:29:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200602031129410110038shte>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:29:41 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:29:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c628ab$119dc9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:35:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E34007.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO First, gabardine probably is period for 17th century -- it's just a hard-finished lightweight twill. I almost always pre-wash my wools but you do lose some to shrinkage -- it varies widely depending on the wool, but figure 10% to 15% just to be safe. If I'm not sure how the wool will respond to a prewash, I measure off an 8-inch square and test-launder that. I like the feel of wool once it's been washed -- it's softer and less chemical-feeling. IF you have enough extra to allow for shrinkage, you'll get a slightly more period finish if you wash your wool in the machine on cold with a gentle soap (I use Dr. Bronner's liquid soap for this) and allow it to dry flat or hung on a line. Just takes some of the "modern" off it. This pre-washing also might allow you to cold-wash the finished garment occasionally, but in the case of a pirate coat, which probably has lots of construction details, you'll probably want to dry clean (or just let it get piratically dirty!) anyway. I am actually writing this in my just-completed 11th-century overgown, which I made from an 80% wool/20% cashmere coating that I washed on warm and hung to dry before I cut it out. Normally I'd have run it through the dryer once, too, but this was already so heavy and warm that I didn't want it to get any thicker. My under-gown is a plainweave tropical worsted wool which I did machine wash and dry. Because it was a pretty fine worsted, it didn't full the way a flannel will, but it is softer and a little more dense, post-wash. One of the great things about working with wool is that it has a bit of natural stretch to it. Have fun with your pirate coat! -- Lauren M. Walker -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba >> I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is >> there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys >> pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly >> period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century >> pirate coat out of it. >> >> Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, >> wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) >> >> Tea Rose >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 08:15:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13DFtgE011386 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:15:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13DFm4C018033; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13DFAsR039507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13DEtLx080734; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13DEp3H080612 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 7365364 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:14:46 -0600 Message-ID: <039101c628c3$e3ce9c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: Subject: Fw: [h-cost] Sees Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:15:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:15:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E35784.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.wweek.com/html/lifefeature112499.html Second one down in black and white you can see the big bow... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6031569409&category=15953 Barbire in a uniform this one fits better on Barbie then they do in real life behind the counter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sees > I've seen worse, Darrell Lea in Australia used to have their shop > assistants in a large shapeless shift with a huge floppy bow about the > same place as this uniform. Shocking! Unfortunately, I can't find a photo > of these on the net. Anyone else in OZ have any pics? > > Glenda. > > , but the 20th century >>> isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... >> >> I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen some >> hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. >> Fortunately their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their >> uniforms...those poor ladies... >> >> Julie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 09:22:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13EMkXc013010 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:22:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13EMbHj013954; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13ELRQZ048658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13ELLf5031166; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k132paqH093585 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28c.5093b13 (15876) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0443e2c53137b; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:51:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-Id: <8e703155f4f52cb6af730d782159a3bc@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13EMkXc013010 Status: RO Try Fabric.com or DenverFabric.com Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:26 PM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > I lined my winter cloak with heavy 100% cotton flannel, sold as > flannel chamois. It's warm and soft, shows no signs of pilling and > came in various solid colors. Of course, I don't know who sells it > now that JoAnne's has discontinued it. > > Janet > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 09:41:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Efcte014777 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:41:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13EfUah022715; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13EdtFD052677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Edplp049953; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13EdlkN049914 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.60.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.60] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F526E-0001gY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:39:47 -0500 Message-ID: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:39:15 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:41:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E36B9A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of extant inventories, can anyone point me to one that is published from 16th-century France? I'm looking for one that details women's garments rather than men's, and pretty much any range of years is fine. I should be able to get Inventaires de la Royne Descosse (Mary Queen of Scots' inventories for 1556-69), but does anyone know of others? Many thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 10:30:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FUo0V022858 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:30:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FUgI4014375; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13FTmbL062301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTmRA098120; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTjP3097972 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A586AA2155 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:29:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:29:35 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my first glove! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E37722.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I used Vogue 7949 on some embroidered suede fabric. It's a little narrow on my hand, but not unwearable for costume purposes. (There's no method of sizing the pattern included despite the S-M-L claim) Overall I'm fairly pleased with the outcome: www.reddawn.net/costume/art/pirate/glove.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 10:36:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Fam4o023944 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:36:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FaeiO017490; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13FTfRR062286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTZ2O097902; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTVNU097769 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celtkin@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-69-246-135-166.hsd1.tn.comcast.net[69.246.135.166]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060203152924m12007d9foe>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:29:25 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:29:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet From: celtkin To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet Thread-Index: AcYo1pvh2if/ZJTJEdqyUAANkz5D6g== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:36:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E37888.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13Fam4o023944 Status: RO This is a response to a discussion from January 5th thru 8th about Laura de Pola¹s partlet (Portrait of Laura de Pola, by Lorenzo Lotto, housed in Milan). When my copy of Moda a Firenze showed up in the mail this week, it confirms that the partlet is goldwork. It says that ³The roses on the partlet have a very marked three-dimensional aspect, produced by the use of gold purles.² Purle being the high-relief gold threads that were used in goldwork. It also talks about Eleonora of Toledo ordering samples of the gold mesh that was used in manufacturing such partlets. Since so many theories were postulated, I thought you might want to know what it actually is. The file I have of her portrait is very washed out on the yellows, as many are. If you adjust the color to bring her belt and fan hande/chain to a proper ³gold² color, you¹ll find the partlet and cap change to gold as well. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 10:53:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FrbKi026844 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:53:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FrSv1026107; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13Fr1SI066256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FqxUM024055; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13FqskJ023922 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 34739 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 15:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: > Also, washing a wool gabardine will shrink it and thicken it up a bit so > it will be less modern-looking. Every little bit helps! If it is a very fine, tightly spun gabardine, washing will not change it very much. But it will still remove leftover chemicals. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 11:38:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Gcv0S002197 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:38:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Gcnb7018959; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:38:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13Gc2Qt075541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Gbn7r075357; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Gbf8U075132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13GbWjn049458 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34537.65.117.156.5.1138984653.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> References: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first glove! From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:38:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E38719.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That is just fabulous!!! I really like this pattern. It is a copy of one of their 1947 sets that they published way back when. The thumb is the give away. Isn't that just the funkiest thumb you have ever seen? I love that suede. What Vogue means by S-M-L is that that our hand from finger tip to base of palm is either 6-7-8 inches in length OR it is 6-7-8 inches around at the fattest part of our hand. I am betting it is the fingertip measure. But having seen your work through the years I know you are more than talented enough to enlarge the pattern to suit your needs. Congrats on making that glove, I love it! :) Chiara glovemaker On Fri, February 3, 2006 9:29 am, Dawn said: > I used Vogue 7949 on some embroidered suede fabric. It's a little > narrow > on my hand, but not unwearable for costume purposes. (There's no > method > of sizing the pattern included despite the S-M-L claim) Overall I'm > fairly pleased with the outcome: > > > www.reddawn.net/costume/art/pirate/glove.jpg > > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 12:04:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13H45SY006560 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:04:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13H3vOM032476; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:04:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13H3VvD080176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13H3Iv3001491; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:03:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13H3Eh3001250 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 45282924 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:32:07 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wool Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:04:14 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c628e3$dc53bb40$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <43E37C58.4050800@fenris.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 63, in=72, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:04:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E38CFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The problem with washing wool is that water and detergent both weaken the fibers. The effect is worsened if you add agitation to the water and detergent. Also, washing will remove whatever lanolin is left in the fabric. That is why it's best to spot clean woollen garments, or dry clean them. That said, I have washed wool. I use cool water and a special cleaner, like Ensure or Orvus. And I don't do it often, if I want the garment to last. Fabric made of worsted wool (such as gabardine) will not felt. Worsted wool is only the longest, strongest, smoothest fibers from the fleece. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 12:30:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13HUfic011376 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:30:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13HUXWt013185; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13HU21u086015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13HTdJY031404; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13HTW8o031204 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:29:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IU400GHMGJ56KQ0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.30] (Forwarded-For: [199.20.68.40]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:28:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:28:17 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Wool In-reply-to: <001201c628e3$dc53bb40$6401a8c0@kimathlon> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <43E37C58.4050800@fenris.net> <001201c628e3$dc53bb40$6401a8c0@kimathlon> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:30:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E39339.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO uummm... as a spinner I have a question about a few of your statements...... my replies are marked with ** ----- Original Message ----- From: kim baird > > The problem with washing wool is that water and detergent both weaken > the fibers. ** This is partly true - SOME soaps are slightly harsh. But saying that - I have some wool items that my Grandmother owned and she didn't use specialty soap, nor hand washed in cold. She used her washer and warm water. They are just as sturdy as when she used them. > The effect is worsened if you add agitation to the water and detergent. ** The combination of hot water AND agitation causes felting to a degree .... I agitate my wool items in warm water and they don't shrink - (OK they first shrunk 2% but didn't after the first time). > Also, washing will remove whatever lanolin is left in the fabric. ** Usually lanolin isn't in fabric - by the time it gets to the fabric mills most of the lanolin is removed by chemical process. To the Manucturing Industry lanolin is -by far- worth more than plain ol' wool. Besides chemicals are used to strip the lanolin - so you would have to worry more about formaldehyde and other chemicals than lanolin. > Fabric made of worsted wool (such as gabardine) will not felt. Worsted > wool is only the longest, strongest, smoothest fibers from the fleece. ** Worsted is a term for the way the wool is spun/ processed - not the fibers themselves. You can spin any part of the fleece worsted. Katheryne Spinner for 12 years who is more than willing to be corrected on her fabric info _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 12:44:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13HiokW013902 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:44:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Higgi019793; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:44:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13Hh9rm088527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Hgn9F046010; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13HCOJE011837 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k13HCFx17806 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:12:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AD5B1C2-39C2-4645-B9C6-87B94694A9E0@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:12:12 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:44:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3968A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where does one obtain a copy of this? I looked on amazon, but it's not there. many thanks! On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:29 AM, celtkin wrote: > Moda a Firenze Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 13:22:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13IMfdo021009 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13IMX47005267; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13IKJdo096827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13IJxQr084218; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13IJhEZ083878 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 45292398 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:48:28 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:20:35 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c628ee$86d68110$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 63, in=73, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The scoop on wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:22:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E39F69.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I quote below from a paper I wrote in grad school (2005): Woollens versus Worsteds Since early times, two methods have been used to make cloth from wool. The process and the product are referred to as woollen or worsted.(61) Sheep's wool varies widely in length and diameter, even on the same animal, and certainly between breeds. Fibers are sorted before processing. Worsted yarns are made by separating out the shorter fibers (one to three inches) before spinning the longer ones (two and a half to nine inches) into a tightly spun, smooth and strong yarn.(62) Fabrics made of worsted yarns, such as gabardine and serge, have a smooth, hard surface. Worsteds are typically used for apparel. The term, as so many fabric names, comes from a town where this style of fabric was made. Worstead is a small town in Norfolk, England, once famous for its wool fabric produced from longer-staple yarns.(63) Woollen yarns are spun from the shorter fibers, which also tend to be finer and softer. Woollen fabrics range from soft and light to heavy and rough.(64) Besides the length of the fiber, the main difference between a woollen and a worsted is the finishing required. Woollen fabrics are fulled, napped and sheared after weaving.(65) Woollens are utilized in warmer fabrics for blankets and outerwear. Generally, worsted is easier to manufacture. The wool need not be scoured before spinning, nor does it require fulling after the cloth is woven. It was probably the earlier of the two systems, as most of the surviving early wools are of the worsted type. 61- W. J. Onions, Wool: An Introduction to its Properties, Varieties, Uses and Production (London: Ernest Benn Limited, 1962), 5. 62 - Ibid., 1. 63 - John H. Munro, "Medieval Woollens: Textiles, Textile Technology and Industrial Organisation, c. 800-1500," in The Cambridge History of Western Textiles, vol. 1, David Jenkins, ed. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003),183. 64 -Onions, 6. 65 - Munro, 183. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:27:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JRSvJ028605 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:27:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JRKWp002807; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JQTIl008346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:26:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JQNAW051707; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JQJ8C051496 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B555535E86D for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:26:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200602031900.k13J062S026024@net.indra.com> References: <200602031900.k13J062S026024@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:26:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: wool woolen/worsted... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:27:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3AE98.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Um I was 'learned' that you can comb anything that has a fiber length longer than the depth of the comb (see combed cotton for *short*) to make combed rovings. How you spin it then makes it worsted--drafting the fibers parallel to each other before the twist enters the drafting zone. Longer fibers make better worsted---BUT---unless it's hand combed and spun, you are getting the same shorter fibers that go in woolen yarns. The commercial mills first process wool into carded batts before they feed the fiber into the combing machine. Because of several techie requirements, very long fibers are 'bad' and can get chopped down to a uniform length or rejected entirely...Once processed into combed top it is then spun worsted. Don't believe me--unspin some yarn and check the fiber length. It broke my heart when I found out how short the fibers are in modern linen cloth :-( You can produce semi worsted where you spin one way and process the fiber the other. Oh and true worsted has all the fibers laid butt to tip so the scales flow in the same direction--not something you can get in a mill situation. Costume content--Up until just after WWII you could still get hand combed worsted suiting in England. It was held that the hand processing made for a better cloth and thus better suits. Then the old geezers died off and the youngsters were not interested in following the trade--a hard dirty one! Ta Carol--happily combing a trash fleece to remove the short bits/trash/second cuts. What's left spins like butter. And who dreams of a Noble machine--all gears and belts and dangerous bits the size of a Volkswagon! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:28:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JS2To028608 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:28:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JRsZn014907; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JRSHV008504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:27:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JRRMN052739; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JRLHb052614 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ce.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.206]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 725A3A5002B for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:27:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3AEBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of the english coat in Costume Close Up. It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly on me. I have to redy the cut. This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same problems? The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very much in comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because it pushes my shoulders so much backwards. I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles in the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. This is very odd........... Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at this point, but no............... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:58:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JwQXs029064 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:58:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JwHqt017208; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:58:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JqQAs013029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JqJNr079909; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Jq6nS079636 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:52:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celtkin@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-69-246-135-166.hsd1.tn.comcast.net[69.246.135.166]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006020319520001400k7ig0e>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:52:00 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:51:58 -0500 From: celtkin To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: h-costume Moda a Firenze book Thread-Index: AcYo+0qXiQIVWpTuEdqyUAANkz5D6g== In-Reply-To: <200602031900.k13J062S026024@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Moda a Firenze book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:58:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3B5D9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I bought _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis, but it is also available via alibris or abebooks.com (don't remember which). And if you Google for it, you can probably find the best price that way. I recall finding it for less shortly after I placed my order with Lacis. It also costs slightly less if you're willing to have it shipped from Italy, but that can take a month or more based on some recent experiences with books coming from Europe (they haven't arrived yet!). Moda was published just last year and is in the same vein as Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, centered around Eleonor of Toledo and her wardrobe accounts, Florence 1540-1580. There is not quite as much text as QEWU, but the book is full-color on heavy, velvety coated paper -- a truly beautiful book, worth every penny. The essays are in Italian and English. There were many paintings I had not seen before, along with interesting discussions of each element of the typical Florentine wardrobe during Eleonor's time (petticoat, gown, partlet, smock, hairstyles, etc.), some discussion about tailors and embroiders, extant garments, a printing of Eleanor's wardrobe inventories (in Italian only) and a great little glossary of Italian wardrobe and textile terms. Now if someone would publish a book like this about German fashion, I would be in heaven! Gysela > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:12:12 -0800 > From: Althea Turner > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet > To: Historical Costume > > Where does one obtain a copy of this? I looked on amazon, but it's > not there. > many thanks! > > On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:29 AM, celtkin wrote: > >> Moda a Firenze _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:59:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JxvqE029108 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:59:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Jxngv002776; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:59:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JwsXP014237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Jwo19086846; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JwhKT086748 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD4257 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219F05B4 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:58:42 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:42 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:41 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0749B1BD@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Moda a Firenze Thread-Index: AcYo9TpkIfjlezsNQSiMjgK+flirLwABkqGw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 19:58:42.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B874BF0:01C628FC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k13JwhKT086748 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:59:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3B635.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I bought my copy of _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis (http://www.lacis.com/) in Berkeley CA, but I have heard they ran out... you could call and see if they got more in, as my info is a month old. Yesterday I noticed that Hedgehog Handworks (http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT6001.shtml) is selling it on line. (I've never ordered from them on-line, so I don't know how reliable they are). You can also order directly from the Museum, but they want payment in Italian currency (and no credit cards) which I found problematic. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:36:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KaOp2029944 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:36:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KaFkC003108; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:36:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KYMF0019771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:34:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KYIJm023091; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KYE77022917 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28f.509c28f (15863) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d22 (mblk-d22.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.14]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df743e3be3ba5; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F7184EAC859A-E14-75FC@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602031638.k13GbpUt075408@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.14) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:03 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602031638.k13GbpUt075408@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.14 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: my first glove! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:36:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3BEBF.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Having seen Dawn's glove in person, I can attest that it's every bit as droolworthy as it looks in the picture. However, regarding the sizing of the pattern, I thought I'd point out that Dawn's hands are long and narrow, while mine are short and wide, and when I tried on the glove it was obviously sized for someone of her hand shape and not mine. It was much too narrow across the knuckles and the fingers were way too long for me -- a problem I often have with commercial gloves. That won't stop me from putting a pair of gloves on my list of things to make after my pirate costume, though! Those are too cool to resist. Tea Rose ----------------------------- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:29:35 -0600 From: Dawn Subject: [h-cost] my first glove! To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I used Vogue 7949 on some embroidered suede fabric. It's a little narrow on my hand, but not unwearable for costume purposes. (There's no method of sizing the pattern included despite the S-M-L claim) Overall I'm fairly pleased with the outcome: www.reddawn.net/costume/art/pirate/glove.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:49:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KnCii030159 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:49:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Kn4I5009846; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:49:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KmSSb023386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KmEUH037681; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13J6Q7Y032189 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 83022 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 19:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 19:06:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060203190352.01daf990@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:06:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots In-Reply-To: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> References: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:49:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C1C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:39 03/02/2006, you wrote: >Speaking of extant inventories, can anyone point me to one that is >published from 16th-century France? I'm looking for one that >details women's garments rather than men's, and pretty much any >range of years is fine. I should be able to get Inventaires de la >Royne Descosse (Mary Queen of Scots' inventories for 1556-69), but >does anyone know of others? > >Many thanks, >Melanie Schuessler Melanie Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:50:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KoIa4030185 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:50:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KoATu005049; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:50:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KnsZF023612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KnnxB039151; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JFuKm041460 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:15:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a2so24159ugf for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s8DbPyPCgYW/QtTHF00eBseshfNFWRwKm6R8aUi6VXhQueVRib2gq9gFm1ADgtpEO9Bah4xTmEaZGPWsQfQ9Oqywjl0NnA5FpxkM5hi6QJXDg3Sx+MTT61rg+tbHwoVKMoCfOVtPMt2lNElRh20yQMUX+LN1aZyDbj+NU0oZYpQ= Received: by 10.48.49.7 with SMTP id w7mr605834nfw; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.49.20 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:05:52 -0600 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The scoop on wool In-Reply-To: <000201c628ee$86d68110$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c628ee$86d68110$6401a8c0@kimathlon> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k13JFuKm041460 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C202.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To a certain extent yes, but this is rather oversimplified. Fibers can be sorted by staple length before spinning, but they aren't always. Woolens are not necessarily spun from just the shorter fibers - mixed fibers can also be used. The preparation of the fibers before spinning - whether they are forced to lie parallel or not - has a very large effect on whether the resultant product is classified as woolen or worsted (which I see as more of a spectrum than a black and white classification), regardless of staple length. While fulling, napping, and shearing is one finishing process for a woolen cloth, there are other options - cloth might be simply fulled; fulled and napped but not sheared; etc. Worsteds can also be fulled, although of coarse to a much lesser extent. The degree of 'worsted-ness' limits the amount of fulling that is possible. Wool is really a quite sturdy fiber. Water and detergent won't hurt it much, as long as there's absolutely no bleach. Of course any garment will last longer if can avoid repeated washings, but wool's not any worse about this than most fabrics (and better than some). - Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:51:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KpBxM030196 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:51:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Kp3BY016707; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KoR4M023767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KoO3r039811; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JcdQ0064648 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j40so19368ugd for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:38:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=O7MQpjOhrFBmSIoE1uMLohnJBfkMMX/fRrLKHZRxa5cHez8VQ1GIO1lfFFpWmfkXzBQweqGFw7NXkEceBiYWSkzrmcaLUPe6Qio5OAbA7xWtdmhPUH60tAXqI6ZZPjzykUzPqtpN2OjW9HkbvzJSbUTZQvzxmRPe/DvYXZdvIJY= Received: by 10.48.199.13 with SMTP id w13mr616583nff; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:31:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:31:32 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:51:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C237.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13KpBxM030196 Status: RO I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic for my other half. I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar' situation. Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all else fails I could sell it -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 16:08:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13L8LTt030637 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:08:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13L8Ds3019519; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:08:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13L7P37027905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13L7FUu058027; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13L775m057704 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail24.nyc.untd.com (webmail24.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.164]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8HTQJALA4FUS for (sender ); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail24.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGBJTGET; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:05:41 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail24.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:04:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:04:49 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20060203.130541.2693.186352@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3110192144 X-MAIL-INFO: 4604752d75610d25610d00810d00c410cd19054d510119e5e4ed5174e554d9ade5bd152904b50471b100490d0481 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76wkTLXV1z0rtIPelR1K7uGl9jesJoCTWA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.164|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:08:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C63D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13L8LTt030637 Status: RO Harris tweed is amazing stuff- if it's the real thing it is handwoven in the Isle of Harris off the Scottish coast which is why it's so narrow. That's the typical width for a single person handloom. If I were you, I'd consider making him a period hood with perhaps a matching belt pouch ( really nice one, not just a drawstring thingie). Harris tweed is just too nice not to use. Karen Seamstrix -- Caroline wrote: I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic for my other half. I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar' situation. Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all else fails I could sell it -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:19:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MJeOt031989 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:19:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MJUlG020688; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MIZw7039950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MILVt033907; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13MI3QF033467 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 6015 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 22:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 22:17:57 -0000 Message-ID: <022201c6290f$a87647d0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:17:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:19:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3D6F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne I find this exact problem often when I utilize 1920's patterns for women. The armscye always much too small. It seems to be also the case when I've purchased original garments from the period, I am built very slight and the armholes are very tight on me. It was also a problem in a few patterns I used from the 50s as well, but not most of them. I think people may have been smaller, and less well fed, and so yes, less well developed. I think we may have even discussed the phenomenon here on the list at times. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > > Hi, > I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of > the english coat in Costume Close Up. > It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. > The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly > on > me. I have to redy the cut. > This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same > problems? > The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very much in > comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because it > pushes > my shoulders so much backwards. > I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. > Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any > att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles > in > the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. > This is very odd........... > > Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at > this > point, but no............... > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:43:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MhKFn032597 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:43:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MhC3e030974; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MgLka043957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MgGJf061560; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:42:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MgAsu061404 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:42:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.95.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.95] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F59d3-0002Yi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:41:37 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots References: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060203190352.01daf990@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:43:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3DC80.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' > inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance > "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots by Margaret Swain. Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de France: catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and paintings of Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1863. I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:45:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MjNgA032642 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:45:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MjEMY015705; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MioFj044307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MikNe064368; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13Mibax064085 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:44:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8HZFFA6QXZFA for (sender ); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGBQDVA8; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:43:06 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:40:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Message-ID: <20060203.164002.-7429961.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 10-17,19-65 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 24:12:1640542212 X-MAIL-INFO: 06e12491e1b070b5f9a191a1d1d1d92d40002d149900a9b154d031113530444595b92009b4f91d8db0e1d010c9adc9900129900159e0015970d0a1d494743484d49dd17134649d61fd6d9d65e4c5100010196059510110e0 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76wkTLXV1z0rcmjbuH3CFLskiWCgm6l+8A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3DCFB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've had the shoulder issue with enlarging patterns from period garments. I believe that in the 18th century (particularly for the upper classes) they were trained from childhood that proper posture involved holding the shoulders back and down giving the body a wider front and narrower back. In modern America (I don't know about Denmark) a more 'slouchy' posture is the norm with the shoulders rounded towards the front which is exactly opposite from the 18th century posture. Aside from re-training ones body to the period posture, I don't know what can be done except adjusting the patterns somewhat to accomodate modern posture.....but I don't think it should be done too much because the broad-chested/narrow-backed look is part of what makes the fashions work and look right. Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:21 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > > Hi, > I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the > pattern of > the english coat in Costume Close Up. > It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. > The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very > badly on > me. I have to redy the cut. > This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the > same > problems? > The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very > much in > comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because > it pushes > my shoulders so much backwards. > I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. > Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle > if any > att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no > wrinkles in > the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. > This is very odd........... > > Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate > at this > point, but no............... > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:57:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MvULn000372 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:57:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MvMcK004698; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MuAYB045969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Mu4LX075782; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MtxG0075680 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.95.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.95] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F59qQ-0005pY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43E3ED6E.2000604@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:55:26 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit References: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:57:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3DFD2.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. > Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any > att all. _An Elegant Art: Fashion and Fantasy in the 18th Century_ includes the catalog for an exhibit at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art and also several very interesting articles. In one, on movement, the author talks about proper stance and movement for the upper-class in the 18th century: "For carriage to be considered elegant, the shoulders and arms had to look relaxed, the upper arms curving gently away from the torso, not dropping straight down at the sides like servants or rustics." and "Because the armholes of bodices, vests, and coats were cut very high under the arm, it was physically far more comfortable to hold the upper arms slightly away from the torso; to drop the arms straight down at the sides made the armholes bind. With his coat buttoned, a man could raise his arms up over his head and his coat would not ride up." (p. 45) Just another thought. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:05:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N5Os7000523 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:05:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N5Fx7007599; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:05:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13N4Spe047417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13N4N0T084213; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13N4Idj084018 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213A3A21BF for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:04:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E3E16F.8000400@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:04:15 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed References: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:05:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3E1AB.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Caroline wrote: > I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 > yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic > for my other half. > > I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any > thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a > ha'porth of tar' situation. If you have another piece of contrasting fabric you certainly can make a tunic with different sleeves. I've done it with less than 3 yards, so I'm sure you can do it with 28" width. I used to cut the sleeves short, and make up the length by putting a wide band of contrast in the middle of the sleeve, and along the bottom hem, and once I even used the contrast as a sort of yoke.... let me see where that picture went... www.reddawn.net/costume/bluetunc.jpg That was the most delicious blue wool, but I only had a little over 2 yards, in pieces that weren't even square, so I pieced it most creatively. What you can't see is the 6" dark blue border on the hem. Sometimes though, if I'm not sure what to make, I just hem the ends and use it for a wrap. 3 yards is a nice length to wrap around yourself on a chilly morning. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:08:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N801c000563 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:08:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N7q2c008620; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13N7Oax047834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:07:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13N7Lnb087117; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13N7C1b086889 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71376 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 23:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060203230608.01dbd850@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:07:06 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots In-Reply-To: <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> References: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060203190352.01daf990@127.0.0.1> <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:07:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3E248.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:41 03/02/2006, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote: >>Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' >>inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who >>dance "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. > >It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots >by Margaret Swain. > >Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de >France: catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and >paintings of Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne >Club, 1863. > >I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. Thanks Melanie - I've forwarded this to my client, who lives in Inverness, so may be able to access it in a Scottish library. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:12:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NCA5W000636 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:12:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NC2vA010287; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:12:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13NBbAf048460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NBYMf091142; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NBUbT090966 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.a3.44e1d93 (4560) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:10:57 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:10:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:12:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3E342.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Harris tweed is gorgeous stuff (was lucky enough (well boyfriend was anyway) to pick up a couple of rolls of it at Leeds market ages ago for next to nothing - dead stock from a tailoring supplier - smug grin!!!!) The real stuff can actually be made on a few of the islands surrounding Harris in the Outer Hebrides now (Harris, Lewis, Uist and Barra) - though it originated on Harris itself, of course. It's protected by Act of Parliament to call it Harris tweed if not "of pure virgin wool, spun, dyed and handwoven by islanders in their homes in the Outer Hebrides, (all about protecting the livelihood of the crofters weaving it). Was a fscinating program when on BBC2 when Nike used H tweed on a trainer. Would also suggest accessories, or small stuff - making sleeves out of something else might well just look odd (though it depends on what it actually is) - plus finding something with the same properties might be a task! Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:52:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NqVwL001259 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:52:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NqNSO024520; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:52:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13NpMEl054435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Np8jW029178; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Np49w029077 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:51:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:50:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.136.11.44] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602032257.k13MukIR076434@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:50:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 23:51:00.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF8BB6B0:01C6291C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Mary Queen of Scots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:52:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3ECB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The British Library has it - you may be able to order copies of the pages here: http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/ENR7GYAJ1T2JAMUDK25VFG5Y6HJ4XG59HTM9K729C91UJQ4E9A-03231?func=full-set-set&set_number=102549&set_entry=000001&format=999 Kate >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:41:37 -0600 >From: Melanie Schuessler >Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > > Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' > > inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance > > "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. > >It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots by > Margaret Swain. > >Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de France: >catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and paintings of >Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1863. > >I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. > >Good luck, >Melanie Schuessler > > > >------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:56:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NuJsU001319 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:56:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NuBVp025958; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13NtVGJ055304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NtRUQ033438; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NtNNH033341 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so742759wra for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ezDhohLOtHoFiEwbbr3kPSyMtF0c8Cz4/v15M3n5vr+wRnaTw55q3Hw2b/jPjkO4fpjblrJ79GghODpdNyAreNMQ/xQv/oyGMDzV5a0i5/pdA8ZKRlBstVdPMPzLUvQBA8PxM+uIOMebio2DSY92NbEqsq4QxBUL5Nf6cvvR6MQ= Received: by 10.64.96.20 with SMTP id t20mr622322qbb; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k13NtNNH033341 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:56:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3ED9B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of >the english coat in Costume Close Up. >The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly on >me. I have to redy the cut. >This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same >problems? Yes, of course. I did Coat, Vest and Breeches from suit #17. You might want to troll thru the h-cost discussion from oh say winter 2004 to spring 2005 and pickup all the comments, and answers to my questions re this suit. >I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. >Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any The coat's CF opening is about 4" wide. The buttons & buttonholes have no useful purpose on Coat #17. This 4" spread may explain why you think the original owner of this suit is a skinny dude. The vest buttons closed, tho many extant vests have only the top buttonhole actually open & useable. The rest are sewn but never cut. If you have the Baumgartner book from Williamsburg, the Norah Waugh Cut of Men's Clothes and Blanche Payne's layout for the 18th c suit, you'll get a broad spectrum of cut & fitting ideas. >att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles in >the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. >This is very odd........... Did you make a mockup that included your interfacing and other interior construction? Without the interfacing thru the front pectorial region, over the shoulder and across the upper back, yes it will wrinkle. Anything would. Bodies arent smooth. Only those corseted, pannier-wearing ladies you dress so marvelously are smooth thru the body. Norah Waugh shows the interfacing layout in her diagrams. If you have an 18th c suit at hand (perhaps in a friendly museum) or even a 19th tailcoat, you can feel the changes in interfacing at placket, shoulders, pectorals, skirts, cuffs, etc. Even a modern *bespoke* suit will inform. I'm happy to try to help further, but I've only done the one 18th c man's garment. I can however, do some pretty good tailoring. >Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at this >point, but no... I think you'll do just fine. Wish I could see it in progress, --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 19:03:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1403x0b001427 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:03:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1403pqa029143; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:03:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1403DAY056512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1403AsL040528; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14031L4040309 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:03:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2d0.2bd7f39 (4560) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:02:41 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2d0.2bd7f39.31154921@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:02:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Harris tweed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3EF67.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO PS - didn't realise it was you!!! Really should read the e-mail addresses occasionally. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 19:11:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140B6Sc001501 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:11:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140AwM8032125; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:11:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k140AJiZ057612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k140AHgm047353; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k140ACDu047300 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 87513 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 00:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 00:10:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204000755.01dbbee8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:10:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Mary Queen of Scots In-Reply-To: References: <200602032257.k13MukIR076434@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:11:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3F112.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:50 03/02/2006, you wrote: >The British Library has it - you may be able to order copies of the >pages here: > >http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/ENR7GYAJ1T2JAMUDK25VFG5Y6HJ4XG59HTM9K729C91UJQ4E9A-03231?func=full-set-set&set_number=102549&set_entry=000001&format=999 > >Kate > >> > Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' >> > inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance >> > "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. >> >>It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots by >> Margaret Swain. >> >>Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de France: >>catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and paintings of >>Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1863. >> >>I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. Thanks all - apparently my client has some photocopies of pages, taken at the National Library of Scotland, and is using them, she now tells me - I didn't know she had these. You might want to contact them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 19:57:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140vMVv002312 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:57:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140vEob016033; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k140tSPw064078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k140tMug087078; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k140tHaE086832 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB6B01C8; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:55:07 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 3 Feb 2006 19:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0749B1BD@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:56:50 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3FBEA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO They are Wonderfully reliable! Have been ordering from them for about 10 years! Besides Lacis, they(she) have been offering all the specialty tools and threads, besides books and manuals that anyone could want for all textile arts for a very long time. Lots of personal attention for your wants and wishes. (Unsolicited comments!) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze > I bought my copy of _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis (http://www.lacis.com/) in Berkeley CA, but I have heard they ran out... you could call and see if they got more in, as my info is a month old. > > Yesterday I noticed that Hedgehog Handworks (http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT6001.shtml) is selling it on line. (I've never ordered from them on-line, so I don't know how reliable they are). > > You can also order directly from the Museum, but they want payment in Italian currency (and no credit cards) which I found problematic. > -sunny > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 21:25:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142PRJY003628 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:25:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142PIu4014088; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k142OG8Y075291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142NsDQ061063; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142NnZE060902 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AAEA1DD1 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:23:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 20:23:48 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] interpretation of an image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4108F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a second opinion of what he is wearing. http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical costumes", Jan Matejko. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 21:48:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142mULd003887 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:48:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142mMDN021877; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k142ls1V078365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142lqUp082356; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f18.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142loot082241 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:47:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:47:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:47:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 02:47:44.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FEA8B90:01C62935] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E415F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Bjarne, modern men have larger arms and armscyes due to different types of physical activity, for the most part...yes there were occupations such as farmers and carpenters, but the upper class gentlemen took part in different activities. please don't feel bad about the fit of your armholes. I thoroughly believe in the muslin fitting block, then using the well fitted block to create your pattern, much like you do with women's clothes. I really like the book 'metric pattern cutting for menswear' by Winifred Aldrich. Use the Close fitting casual jacket block on p 16, shape a side back seam through squaring down from point 17, starting at a point 1/2 way between points 14 and 16, shape a nice curve hitting the line squared down from point 17. To shape the back shoulder seam,square a line up from the chest line at the front armhole. From point 8(the neck point) draw a line to the point where the chest line and that front armhole line meet(on the chest line). The line you have just drawn is your back shoulder line, cut the rest of the shoulder off and twist it around to the front shoulder so that the old shoulder seams meet and tape the paper seam together. The pleats of your coat should sit at the high hip, I usually drop this from the waist level between 5 and 10 centimetres, depending on the build of the man. The only problem I have found with any of Ms Aldrich's blocks is that the shoulder point is off the shoulder slightly on a lot of people. This can be taken out in the fitting, I think she used a selection of wide shouldered manikins to come up with her draft ;-) I hope that helps Let me know! Kelly in Nova Scotia "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:21 +0100 > > >Hi, >I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of >the english coat in Costume Close Up. >It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. >The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly >on >me. I have to redy the cut. >This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same >problems? >The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very much in >comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because it >pushes >my shoulders so much backwards. >I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. >Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any >att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles in >the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. >This is very odd........... > >Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at >this >point, but no............... > > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 23:00:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1440pOm004693 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:00:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1440g84017268; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:00:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k143xgjk087238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k143xXXC044281; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k143xRVX044050 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.294.4e70751 (63000) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <294.4e70751.3115808f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:59:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:00:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E426EA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/3/2006 5:57:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: For carriage to be considered elegant, the shoulders and arms had to look relaxed, the upper arms curving gently away from the torso, not dropping straight down at the sides like servants or rustics Partly it was training in holding one's body--this was one of the things a dance master taught--but also, little boys were put into "training" stays, if you will, just like girls were, that made them hold their shoulders back. Most men, though, left off wearing them when grown. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 01:48:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k146m2i9006333 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:48:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k146lrqc009875; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:47:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k146lO5o005730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k146lHuf071458; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k146lEsI071415 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 965C1267B9 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:47:13 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:47:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:47:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E44E19.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a second opinion of what he is wearing. http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical costumes", Jan Matejko. Dawn Looks like simplicity pattern 9887 but with straight sleeves. The trim is running down the opening and you don't see it past the hands as it looks as if he is pulling the hem up. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 05:07:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14A7EmH002747 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:07:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14A72Vl013953; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:07:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14A6MSQ027303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14A6G5k021687; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14A6Cei021615 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 25A4DA5001C for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:06:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c62972$a2eb0680$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:06:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:07:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E47CC6.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Cin, Did you not enlarge the armscye nor the shoulder width at all? Thanks for your comments. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of >>the english coat in Costume Close Up. >>The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly >>on >>me. I have to redy the cut. >>This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same >>problems? > > Yes, of course. I did Coat, Vest and Breeches from suit #17. You > might want to troll thru the h-cost discussion from oh say winter 2004 > to spring 2005 and pickup all the comments, and answers to my > questions re this suit. > >>I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. >>Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any > > The coat's CF opening is about 4" wide. The buttons & buttonholes have > no useful purpose on Coat #17. This 4" spread may explain why you > think the original owner of this suit is a skinny dude. > The vest buttons closed, tho many extant vests have only the top > buttonhole actually open & useable. The rest are sewn but never cut. > If you have the Baumgartner book from Williamsburg, the Norah Waugh > Cut of Men's Clothes and Blanche Payne's layout for the 18th c suit, > you'll get a broad spectrum of cut & fitting ideas. > >>att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles >>in >>the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. >>This is very odd........... > > Did you make a mockup that included your interfacing and other > interior construction? Without the interfacing thru the front > pectorial region, over the shoulder and across the upper back, yes it > will wrinkle. Anything would. Bodies arent smooth. Only those > corseted, pannier-wearing ladies you dress so marvelously are smooth > thru the body. > > Norah Waugh shows the interfacing layout in her diagrams. If you have > an 18th c suit at hand (perhaps in a friendly museum) or even a 19th > tailcoat, you can feel the changes in interfacing at placket, > shoulders, pectorals, skirts, cuffs, etc. Even a modern *bespoke* suit > will inform. > > I'm happy to try to help further, but I've only done the one 18th c > man's garment. I can however, do some pretty good tailoring. > >>Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at >>this >>point, but no... > > I think you'll do just fine. Wish I could see it in progress, > --cin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 05:20:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14AK48a005215 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:20:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14AJp0q018781; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14AIvnJ028935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:18:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14AIuJS032516; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14AIq6B032440 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 85E5E262870 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:18:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:19:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E47FC7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of myself. I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like these cuts in the book. I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 05:27:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14ARgPN005828 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:27:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14ARYlO021086; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:27:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14AQoP1029579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:26:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14AQnwo038198; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14AQito038147 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95200 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 10:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 10:26:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204102344.01db5718@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:26:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit In-Reply-To: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:27:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E48196.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:19 04/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as >much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a >dress stand of myself. >I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we >say that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so >wrong and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original >cut ends up to look like these cuts in the book. >I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... Bjarne I think I have made this suit twice recently, but I used the pattern pieces as a guide only - my customer was a different size - and redrafted it to fit. I cut the armholes out when it is on the customer, so I know it is comfortable - I know this would be difficult for you, but do you have anyone you could trust to help you fit a toile? You could always pop over to London and I could help you fit it! 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Status: RO Does anybody have a pattern for 19th century women's pants? Thanks --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 06:11:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BBwbl012928 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:11:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BBo5q002287; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:11:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14BAGTf033643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14BACHe071042; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14BA7rC070916 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58379 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 11:10:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q+eGZ2qxiYTKCpmCeZ7GRF7H0k65sEjVonAuOFYaEP8O90o0xRyDC46WlEokden5pJSuIry4Ta0sKnxRjfy/Ql4Koc9TGaMwA65TOamx4az5m6Ru+Ww8p2yuFUlvC+S9S1E490Z+pHL9T43l6sV9uXtEEEGI7lGvKRX5bEgM78Q= ; Message-ID: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 03:10:01 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E48BF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Bjarne. My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. Tania Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of myself. I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like these cuts in the book. I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 06:15:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BFM5Q013600 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:15:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BF96i003311; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14BDRMP033971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14BDRNV073519; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [203.220.32.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14BDMRQ073445 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@dodo.com.au) Received: from [61.68.235.68] (helo=GILGAMESH) by relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1F5LM0-0004sQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:13:21 +1100 Message-ID: <004201c6297c$0aeb15a0$44eb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Purple Elephant" To: References: <200602032257.k13MukIS076434@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:43:34 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E48CBD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:31:32 +0000 > From: Caroline > Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 > yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic > for my other half. > > I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any > thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a > ha'porth of tar' situation. > > Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all > else fails I could sell it > > -- > Caroline > Could you make a sleeveless surcoat from it? Men wore those too in the 13th century. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 07:58:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Cw3W6002231 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14CvtBg003621; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:57:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14CvV1W044266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:57:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CvSEi049553; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CvPHC049520 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F82B262882 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:57:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c6298a$91668ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4A4D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all. After shopping for this weekend and got back again, i got an idea. Ill send my green embroidered suit to the cleaners on monday, and in stead i will embroider new undercuff pieces and replace the old ones. This is the only thing that needs to be replaced, and embroidering new undercuff pieces should not take me long time. Dont you think this would be fine for a 3 days event if i bring along the green and the blue suit? I also have the velvet mundane suit with the red waistcoat i could use for the daytimes. For the other, the Williamsburg suit, i think i could go to proffesional helpers. There are small shops here in Copenhagen who takes commision jobs of sewing jobs like mending or remade old things. If i bring them my mock up, i could have them help me to fit it better.......... I will do this in the future......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 07:59:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Cxs40003171 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:59:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14CxkWQ024444; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14CxSdr044574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CxSZi051551; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CxMYL051491 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:59:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C960C47FE95 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001f01c6298a$d9e75540$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:59:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4A542.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Tania, I have seen this in the school brochures sometimes. But 3000. kr. is a lot of money. I think il skip this, but thanks for reminding me Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > Hi Bjarne. > My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite > expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The > course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My > mother has one and it is wonderful. > > Tania > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. > It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in > Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as > possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of > myself. > I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that > "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment > for > theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like > these cuts in the book. > I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... > It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... > > Bjarne > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Status: RO This seems like a very "period" solution, Bjarne! Have a wonderful time. We'll be looking forward to photos. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Feb 4, 2006 7:57 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket > >... i will embroider new undercuff pieces and replace the old ones.... > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 08:33:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14DXXpR012263 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:33:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14DXPwt015840; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14DWiZv047884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14DWgYJ076490; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14DWcaU076439 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46244 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 13:32:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sBnmc9H0OrSuSI71r7ZGnPfGoDQcpuu1FBQx4gN4XRdWT6TThKS6/yz+KRwiyAGnmiRSrc/uNGWqebti6i37zfcIjeeCQL+g4TN59/AO9PB4Is3lzvQd5srWPng2Flplwdd/7Aw0v8TG8t2Ekbcs1pbLT8SrHttZCBRCIaMdXEI= ; Message-ID: <20060204133237.46242.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:32:37 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:32:37 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:33:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4AD25.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello all I'm about to make my first crinoline, suitable for wearing with a smallish bustle underneath a late 1860s/early70s gown that I recently bought - it's in a bad way so I'm going to copy it as a pattern then try and restore it. Anyway, a lot of the original hoops that I've seen on museums are made from a kind of sprung wire that is round rather than the flattened steel i've seen in various shops. So far I've not found anywhere that makes the 'olde' type and am therefore assuming that people go with the flattened steel. What I'm aiming to do is make a set of women's undergarments (chemise, bloomers, corset and crinoline) that can be on display so I'd like the crinoline to look as authentic as possible. My copy of Period Costume suggests using the blind-making tape that you can run the steels through and while that is an ACE idea, I'm not convinced it will look good when on display. Has anyone attempted to be uber-authentic in their steel crinoline construction? I'd really appreciate it if there were links to pages or sites anyone could recommend. Google has not turned up anything suitable so far... Thanks again, Katherine, venturing far from her early t-tunic roots. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 09:06:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14E6Hcg013720 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:06:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14E699B027151; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:06:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14E5jvh052102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14E5ggK005528; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f35.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14E5cFv005461 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:05:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:05:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:05:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.152.143.207] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <34537.65.117.156.5.1138984653.squirrel@webmail.io.com> From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first glove! Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:05:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 14:05:37.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[13082F80:01C62994] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4B4D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A book I found on glove making says to measure around the hand just above the thumb. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first glove! >Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0600 (CST) > >That is just fabulous!!! I really like this pattern. It is a copy of >one of their 1947 sets that they published way back when. The thumb >is the give away. Isn't that just the funkiest thumb you have ever >seen? > >I love that suede. > >What Vogue means by S-M-L is that that our hand from finger tip to >base of palm is either 6-7-8 inches in length OR it is 6-7-8 inches >around at the fattest part of our hand. I am betting it is the >fingertip measure. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 09:39:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14EdLlF014156 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:39:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14EdDFI006351; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14EcnmO055258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Eci0b032962; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14Ecaou032774 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8KRCXAMJJ36A for (sender ); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGDE2CAP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:38:00 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:34:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket Message-ID: <20060204.083404.-135242351.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-9,11-50 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 18:9:3949971167 X-MAIL-INFO: 10add895ad18a9a8dcd995d988886d41b83941c848393d2c7c71bc813158f18505e835d175dcddb918ad71ec6c786ce9b1fce9b1797db179a971d9c95965c169c95d8829c1095d1d9c685d8c0d89ec39ec25197955b1ec7d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76wkTLXV1z0rtxAgdTn7iuLcFjaRbHZFAQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:39:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4BC91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That sounds like a good idea, I wish we had folks like that in the States. Just make sure that whoever is helping you to fit the suit understands the fitting/style differences between modern and 18th century suits. You don't want them 'fixing' the fit! Karen Seamstrix On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:57:34 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi all. > After shopping for this weekend and got back again, i got an idea. > Ill send my green embroidered suit to the cleaners on monday, and in > stead i > will embroider new undercuff pieces and replace the old ones. > This is the only thing that needs to be replaced, and embroidering > new > undercuff pieces should not take me long time. > Dont you think this would be fine for a 3 days event if i bring > along the > green and the blue suit? I also have the velvet mundane suit with > the red > waistcoat i could use for the daytimes. > For the other, the Williamsburg suit, i think i could go to > proffesional > helpers. There are small shops here in Copenhagen who takes > commision jobs > of sewing jobs like mending or remade old things. If i bring them my > mock > up, i could have them help me to fit it better.......... > I will do this in the future......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 09:58:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14EwsgC014446 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Ewkfr013524; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14EwPc2059482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14EwJMO050700; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net (eastrmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14EwFQs050474 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060204145807.ETWV4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:07 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYpdg5V7DNJNhq3QOatll708bBiYAAJTibQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204102344.01db5718@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: <20060204145807.ETWV4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:58:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4C126.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh yes, do come between April 9 and 13. Then I could meet you too, Anne :) Bjarne I think I have made this suit twice recently, but I used the pattern pieces as a guide only - my customer was a different size - and redrafted it to fit. I cut the armholes out when it is on the customer, so I know it is comfortable - I know this would be difficult for you, but do you have anyone you could trust to help you fit a toile? You could always pop over to London and I could help you fit it! (lol) Suzi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.1/250 - Release Date: 2/3/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 10:20:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FKkDs014749 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:20:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FKcQv020935; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:20:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14FJLMT066702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FJGUL069067; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FJ9Cr068873 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:19:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43E4C5ED.3020202@msn.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:19:09 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 15:19:00.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[534FD430:01C6299E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress Form Class: was williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:20:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4C646.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Clearly I won't be able to make the class, but I am interested, if you have a little information, about what materials will be used and what the process is. I wonder if it isn't like the kits you can buy over here with a video... Sg Tania Gruning wrote: >Hi Bjarne. > My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. > > Tania > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 10:31:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FV08g014883 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:31:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FUrxs023900; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:30:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14FP9kq068811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FP894073942; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FP1it073748 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m114.in-tch.com [216.166.191.114]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k14FGWA23118 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:16:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001701c629a0$2428d600$72bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:31:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:30:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4C8AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I thought it might be the edges of a fur lining, peeking out. ;o) --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > > > -----Original Message----- > I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I > have my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get > a second opinion of what he is wearing. > > http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > > How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? > > The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical > costumes", Jan Matejko. > Dawn > > Looks like simplicity pattern 9887 but with straight sleeves. > The trim is running down the opening and you don't see it past the hands as > it looks as if he is pulling the hem up. > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDcwQ015588 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDUNr005058; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GDA7k084128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GDAdQ012710; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14B6lw2068334 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8675547FE05 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:06:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c6297b$19fc28f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060204102344.01db5718@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:06:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2AA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Thanks for the offer :-) well i use the cut of my green suit as a helping guide. My green suit is a little later period than this Williamsburg one. I find this interresting because it is "oldfashioned " in cut a kind of between the full skirted coats and the later narrower. It takes a little more space than i reconed, because the back is bias cut like the old ones as well. Problem is that i really dont have time to go slow in this, got an invitation to a hunting party 24th 25th and 26th ( there wont be any hunting, its just a theme) of february. I think perhaps i skip this projekt to a later one and then just make a copy of my green coat. Must cut out today, so that i can start up the sewing........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > At 10:19 04/02/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as >>possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of >>myself. >>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that >>"oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment >>for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look >>like these cuts in the book. >>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... > > > Bjarne > > I think I have made this suit twice recently, but I used the pattern > pieces as a guide only - my customer was a different size - and redrafted > it to fit. I cut the armholes out when it is on the customer, so I know it > is comfortable - I know this would be difficult for you, but do you have > anyone you could trust to help you fit a toile? > > You could always pop over to London and I could help you fit it! (lol) > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:13:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDeJZ015589 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDWZw014181; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GCj2E084084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GChsD012362; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14B2VZV065317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k14B2LVJ023792; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:02:31 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" , "Tudortalk" , "Margospatterns" Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:05:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2AC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. A truly "Must have" book if you are into things Tudor. The URL http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/8788 takes you right to it, bypassing the deadly other sale offerings! Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:13:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDk0D015594 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDcRM003719; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GDHIv084168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GDHXo012837; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CO42w025391 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u2so156006uge for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 04:24:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bLIPaqOMYkyugzBwKHM4o72N3y9KcKYvLQ84icT7kTcJ7Krzn4uuoSQgRuxqHBJ7EBzTA/zHXgFhIdzBxczkdFK/C/Q3UbIpzb7OaDpShhzE+V8g6rGFWOHlv4BImEocMjC2ZQH2Q/tSDHVwkp6XSBY9qPrJgRnQJQyHsnJua4E= Received: by 10.48.220.3 with SMTP id s3mr756822nfg; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 04:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:24:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602040424t30466ca1r@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:24:03 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed In-Reply-To: <004201c6297c$0aeb15a0$44eb443d@GILGAMESH> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200602032257.k13MukIS076434@net.indra.com> <004201c6297c$0aeb15a0$44eb443d@GILGAMESH> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:13:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k14GDk0D015594 Status: RO Oh that's a good idea. Will have to run that one past my other half. Thank you. On 04/02/06, Purple Elephant wrote: > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:31:32 +0000 > > From: Caroline > > Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed > > To: Historical Costume > > Message-ID: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over > 3 > > yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a > tunic > > for my other half. > > > > I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? > Any > > thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for > a > > ha'porth of tar' situation. > > > > Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if > all > > else fails I could sell it > > > > -- > > Caroline > > > Could you make a sleeveless surcoat from it? Men wore those too > in the 13th century. > > Claire > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:14:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GE5TV015600 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:14:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDv9h007287; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GDgSB084274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GDfQM013290; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14ETP2G025695 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27782 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 14:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 14:29:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204142754.01d5d9d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:29:04 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query In-Reply-To: <20060204133237.46242.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060204133237.46242.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k14ETP2G025695 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:32 04/02/2006, you wrote: >Hello all > >I'm about to make my first crinoline, suitable for >wearing with a smallish bustle underneath a late >1860s/early70s gown that I recently bought - it's in a >bad way so I'm going to copy it as a pattern then try >and restore it. > >Anyway, a lot of the original hoops that I've seen on >museums are made from a kind of sprung wire that is >round rather than the flattened steel i've seen in >various shops. So far I've not found anywhere that >makes the 'olde' type and am therefore assuming that >people go with the flattened steel. What I'm aiming to >do is make a set of women's undergarments (chemise, >bloomers, corset and crinoline) that can be on display >so I'd like the crinoline to look as authentic as >possible. My copy of Period Costume suggests using the >blind-making tape that you can run the steels through >and while that is an ACE idea, I'm not convinced it >will look good when on display. This http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=cage_crinoline_1860.jpg is the kind made using the Hunnisett pattern and curtain tape, so you can get an idea of what it would look like on display. I have had no problems using this method for museum use. Suzi >Has anyone attempted to be uber-authentic in their >steel crinoline construction? I'd really appreciate it >if there were links to pages or sites anyone could >recommend. Google has not turned up anything suitable >so far... > >Thanks again, >Katherine, venturing far from her early t-tunic roots. > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! 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Status: RO So, can you recycle your cuffs into something like a pillow, or little purse? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GGEjJ015628 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GG6Io005788; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GEInR084436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GEH9F013991; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FeJKc086411 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:40:13 -0800 Message-ID: <43E4CAE6.7060406@msn.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:40:22 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of the Parasol References: <3636953.1138811520413.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3636953.1138811520413.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 15:40:13.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A51B4E0:01C629A1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:16:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D346.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for putting this together. I was aware of the Max Von Bohen source, but not of some of the others. There are so many silly "truths" being strutted about.....it is a good lesson for newbies...do your own research. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:39:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GdjUr015968 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:39:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Gdbc7015078; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Gd0Uf086444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GcuaT032810; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GcqIs032647 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:38:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.209.11e05840 (58677) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:38:42 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:39:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D8C9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:48:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Gm8nF016126 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Gm1Jl018022; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GlNar087391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GlLFK040130; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GlFi9039981 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05620 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:17:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:17:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4DAC1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: > I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories > of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my > copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought > it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book > stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what > Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My > copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating > things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. Word on the street is that the long-awaited analysis volume, which was shelved with Janet Arnold's death (she was doing the costume analysis) is back in production. I don't know when it will be coming out. I have this information from one of the scholars who is doing one of the other sections of analysis. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:56:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GuqLt016221 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:56:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GuiiE020666; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:56:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GuKAZ088269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GuIOA047801; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:56:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GuEZO047660 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IU60076L9PHZ500@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:56:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:56:04 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:56:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4DCCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of Janet Arnold-- I know there were other things thet she was working on that were supposed to be finished by others, including a book on shiorts and smocks. Does anyone know if it was ever published? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: > I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories > of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my > copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought > it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book > stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what > Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My > copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating > things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. Word on the street is that the long-awaited analysis volume, which was shelved with Janet Arnold's death (she was doing the costume analysis) is back in production. I don't know when it will be coming out. I have this information from one of the scholars who is doing one of the other sections of analysis. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 12:08:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14H8T8L016386 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:08:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14H8M92024424; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:08:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14H1h2d088641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:01:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14H1fmc051949; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14H1ZRM051858 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 11316A5006E for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:01:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c629ac$aa934610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarnes old embroidered cuffs..was : thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:01:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:08:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4DF86.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Saragrace. I would have to cut away the underside cuff because it is really not a pretty sight, but well some kind of it could, perhaps one of these regency purces wich was recykled from embroidered waistcoats. I made the cuff in one piece, not two........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarnes old embroidered cuffs..was : thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices > So, can you recycle your cuffs into something like a pillow, or little > purse? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 12:22:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HMQWY016561 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:22:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HMI3u029018; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:22:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14HLi3G091056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14HLgGZ069558; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14HLbbX069478 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 80890 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 17:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 17:21:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:21:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:22:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4E2CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:56 04/02/2006, you wrote: >Speaking of Janet Arnold-- I know there were other things thet she was >working on that were supposed to be finished by others, including a book on >shiorts and smocks. Does anyone know if it was ever published? >Monica > No, this has not been published, and from what I can gather, no-one seems able to give me a date for publication. Janet was on the 4th draft when she died, so I would not have thought there was a lot to do, as she had done all the drawings, or so she told me. Suzi >On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: > > > I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories > > of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my > > copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought > > it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book > > stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what > > Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My > > copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating > > things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. > >Word on the street is that the long-awaited analysis volume, which was >shelved with Janet Arnold's death (she was doing the costume analysis) is >back in production. I don't know when it will be coming out. I have this >information from one of the scholars who is doing one of the other >sections of analysis. > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 12:40:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HeR7L016854 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:40:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HeJUf003243; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:40:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14HYLNC092571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:34:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14HYJXi080619; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50806.mail.yahoo.com (web50806.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14HYHkx080491 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from albrakat7@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18288 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB7qsCF3o6kocKHybWyMWTfupwU/Er2U3GTcBo0dZ96h26AiGFqoDBiBX6kuM2mmCIuePYVGIpk4I2ie+N+RUefr3dnclXyKfCNyadMi+g0E6PGhyDbTZjQzCRhqhyhcc11iqj28L2a/8elRIATJeRkNvQ1XdSU8uo55g75lhYk= ; Message-ID: <20060204173412.18286.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.231.87.123] by web50806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:34:12 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:34:12 -0800 (PST) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4E703.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And I'll also vouch for Hedgehog Handworks!! *Very* reliable---and *very* helpful.I've known and worked with them , Joady and Colin, for 20 plus years. I also get most of my metal thread embroidery supplies for my classes from them:) Kathryn Lloyd Mitchell wrote: They are Wonderfully reliable! Have been ordering from them for about 10 years! Besides Lacis, they(she) have been offering all the specialty tools and threads, besides books and manuals that anyone could want for all textile arts for a very long time. Lots of personal attention for your wants and wishes. (Unsolicited comments!) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze > I bought my copy of _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis (http://www.lacis.com/) in Berkeley CA, but I have heard they ran out... you could call and see if they got more in, as my info is a month old. > > Yesterday I noticed that Hedgehog Handworks (http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT6001.shtml) is selling it on line. 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:09:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14I9lrt017264 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:09:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14I9dkp013620; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:09:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14I7Xo2096083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14I7VW5008394; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14I7PWj008350 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC38C5CEAE for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IU6002Z5D0CYM@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:07:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:07:26 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Class: was williamsburg suit In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43E4ED5E.8010505@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:09:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4EDE3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Such as http://www.mytwindressforms.com/how.htm ? Roger WickedFrau wrote: > Clearly I won't be able to make the class, but I am interested, if you > have a little information, about what materials will be used and what > the process is. > I wonder if it isn't like the kits you can buy over here with a video... > > Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hi Bjarne. >> My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is >> quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of >> yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are >> around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:52:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IqmP5017873 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Iqe3R030469; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14IppLZ002476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14IppsK049981; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f32.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Ipl1o049929 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:51:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:51:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:51:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 18:51:47.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CBA8A60:01C629BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:52:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4F7F8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but if you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he felt the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get a good fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of mine, is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark taught Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the city. When I went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the shape of his body pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was exciting for both of us to see the way we move in different ways from our historical counterparts. Good luck on the new draft! Kelly in Nova Scotia "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 > >Hi, >Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as >possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of >myself. >I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that >"oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment >for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like >these cuts in the book. >I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... > >Bjarne > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:54:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Ish0g017898 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:54:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IsZ81026970; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14ImpTt001927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14ImjcA046955; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14ImfEu046896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k14ImWxV026501 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:48:36 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52838.64.156.242.51.1139078916.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060204.083404.-135242351.0.penhalion@juno.com> References: <20060204.083404.-135242351.0.penhalion@juno.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fitting, was: williamsburg jacket X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4F86B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > That sounds like a good idea, I wish we had folks like that in the > States. Just make sure that whoever is helping you to fit the suit > understands the fitting/style differences between modern and > 18th century suits. You don't want them 'fixing' the fit! We do have people like that! Many drycleaners offer mending, reweaving, tailoring, etc. I agree with your warning about "fixing the fit". If someone is trained for 21stC fit, they need to know where the fit is different. I've had good luck with friends who are not necessarily experts, but can follow instructions. And not stick pins in me. :-) The les opinionated someone is about the project, the more likely they will be able to do what you want. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:59:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IxMFm017961 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IxFmD000677; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Iwb8O003390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14IwZJD056042; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f32.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14IwWru055982 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:58:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:58:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c6298a$91668ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:58:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 18:58:31.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDAE5910:01C629BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:59:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4F983.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again Bjarne! Take the period draft and the portrait you want to use as you inspiration with you when you go to the dressmakers or tailors...this will help them to help you with cut. It's always better to have someone else do the fitting for you...I'm at this stage almost now, I will soon have the petticoat done and will be ready to fit the doublet. I'm going to do the draft for the doublet, make a mock up and have Robert fit it on me. Then I know it will fit, and all I'll have to do is stand in the mirror! Good luck, we want to see pictures! Oh and I think two suits over three days will be fine, paack lots of changes of linens(shirts and such) And you should be fine. I usually bring three times the linen I think I'll need and half the dresses. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus There are small shops here in Copenhagen who >takes commision jobs of sewing jobs like mending or remade old things. If i >bring them my mock up, i could have them help me to fit it better.......... >I will do this in the future......... > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 14:45:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JjgR1018681 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:45:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JjYmZ019102; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:45:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14JiqPm007782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14JikLn095214; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Jifcq095166 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C6A76262862 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:44:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c629c3$7f313290$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Williamsburg suit. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:45:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5045E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again, I think i have gotten the best of help i can get from Ian the Staymaker. He offered me to help me draft a pattern propperly :-) So i can relax for the time being. I really like that Williamsburg Suit, it is very nice, and would be lovely if i succed in making it for myself. Ian is the best of help i could get. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 14:49:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JnUYM018742 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:49:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JnNdZ020403; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:49:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Jmw5s008032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Jmw2Y098630; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Jmsid098555 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B981C47FE01 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:48:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c629c4$171e7a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:49:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] another question, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:49:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50543.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry i keep you buisy. but i was thinking also about making the trimming for a tricorne. Make it in gold bobbin lace. I have some lovely thick gold gimp i could use. Does any of you have any good ideas i could do with the ends of the bobbin lace. I cant sew away all the threads so i get an invisible joint. What could i place at the joint to hide it? A button? Would it be two much to make a looped lace flower? Any idears would be greatfull apreciated! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 14:50:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JoaJH018757 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:50:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JoSs6025405; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14JnuS8008145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14JntP9099450; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14JnqwC099402 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5TPr-000EnR-7u for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:49:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:48:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed References: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50584.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If it's the hard, tight-woven stuff, make hoods for you and yours. It's as waterproof as anything. Jean Caroline wrote >I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 >yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic >for my other half. > >I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any >thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a >ha'porth of tar' situation. > >Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all >else fails I could sell it > >-- >Caroline >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:17:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KH5Vk019098 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:17:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KGvuD030422; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14KEeAx010457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KEbDe019358; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KEXIw019313 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5Tnl-000HbP-7k for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: <6vOM7uIlrQ5DJwDD@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:13:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:17:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50BB9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The cut of clothes seems to be still moving (not surprising really..) I would say my husband and I both have pretty good posture, and recently we have both found that shirts or blouses from Next are too narrow across the front and too wide across the back. If we stand normally they strain at the buttons - if we slump our shoulders a little they fit better! Only from the one shop, so far, but Next must think this is the shape of the modern torso. Are there any other periods when you find a wider back and narrower front? We know fashion is cyclical - waistlines go up and down, shoulders and hips go out and in - do shoulders go forward and back as well? Jean Kelly Grant wrote >It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but >if you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the >shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still >have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. > >I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he >felt the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get >a good fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. > >The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of >mine, is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark >taught Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the >city. When I went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the >shape of his body pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was >exciting for both of us to see the way we move in different ways from >our historical counterparts. > >Good luck on the new draft! > >Kelly in Nova Scotia > > > >"Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, >faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers >in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, >despite your fears" >Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > >>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: >>Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 >> >>Hi, >>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as >>much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a >>dress stand of myself. >>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say >>that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong >>and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends >>up to look like these cuts in the book. >>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... >> >>Bjarne >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:19:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KJML0019196 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KJEbf031375; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14KIc3E010876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:18:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KIbj8022816; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KIY5Q022751 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5Trd-000I4d-8j for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:17:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Fw: [h-cost] Sees References: <039101c628c3$e3ce9c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> In-Reply-To: <039101c628c3$e3ce9c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:19:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50C42.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And Barbie appears to be wearing black court shoes (pumps) rather than white trainers, which also helps! Jean Lori Alston wrote >http://www.wweek.com/html/lifefeature112499.html > >Second one down in black and white you can see the big bow... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6031569409&category=15953 >Barbire in a uniform this one fits better on Barbie then they do in >real life behind the counter > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Robinson" > >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:02 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sees > > >> I've seen worse, Darrell Lea in Australia used to have their shop >>assistants in a large shapeless shift with a huge floppy bow about the >>same place as this uniform. Shocking! Unfortunately, I can't find a >>photo of these on the net. Anyone else in OZ have any pics? >> >> Glenda. >> >> , but the 20th century >>>> isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... >>> >>> I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen >>>some hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. >>>Fortunately their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their >>>uniforms...those poor ladies... >>> >>> Julie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:22:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KMqZQ019244 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:22:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KMjiL032675; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:22:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14KMKfm011118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KMHN7025530; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KM35v025416 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 432FF47FE41 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:22:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00ed01c629c8$ba339ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6vOM7uIlrQ5DJwDD@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:22:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:22:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50D15.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Jean, Yes i have often wondered this two, and this about narrow back was that a renaissance "thing" two? There also is the 1625-50 "thing" to bend your back so that your belly goes out. This is both sexes.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit > The cut of clothes seems to be still moving (not surprising really..) I > would say my husband and I both have pretty good posture, and recently we > have both found that shirts or blouses from Next are too narrow across the > front and too wide across the back. If we stand normally they strain at > the buttons - if we slump our shoulders a little they fit better! Only > from the one shop, so far, but Next must think this is the shape of the > modern torso. > > Are there any other periods when you find a wider back and narrower front? > We know fashion is cyclical - waistlines go up and down, shoulders and > hips go out and in - do shoulders go forward and back as well? > > Jean > > > > Kelly Grant wrote >>It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but if >>you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the >>shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still >>have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. >> >>I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he felt >>the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get a good >>fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. >> >>The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of mine, >>is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark taught >>Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the city. When I >>went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the shape of his body >>pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was exciting for both of us >>to see the way we move in different ways from our historical counterparts. >> >>Good luck on the new draft! >> >>Kelly in Nova Scotia >> >> >> >>"Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced >>with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in >>advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite >>your fears" >>Caius Merlyn Britannicus >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>>To: >>>Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 >>> >>>Hi, >>>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much >>>as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand >>>of myself. >>>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say >>>that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and >>>ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to >>>look like these cuts in the book. >>>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is >>>impossible.......... >>>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... >>> >>>Bjarne >>> >>> >>>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>> >>>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:53:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KruRC019663 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:53:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KrmAr010301; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:53:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Kr0gx021717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KqwL1055308; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KqsJ4055225 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:52:49 -0800 Message-ID: <43E5142B.2060708@msn.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:52:59 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 20:52:49.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[F56CC010:01C629CC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5145C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bad, Bad, Bad Wanda! Thank you! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 16:04:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4qbD019814 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4imk014131; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14L4EqT022898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4DaC063959; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4Ahf063919 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BB75DD5A for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:04:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204124120.0314b550@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:48:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0749B1BD@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lacis & slate frames {was Moda a Firenze} X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:04:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E516EC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:56 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >Besides Lacis, they(she) have been offering all the specialty tools and >threads, besides books and manuals that anyone could want for all textile >arts for a very long time. Lots of personal attention for your wants and >wishes. I once thought that way about Lacis carrying every textile art thing I could imagine until recently. I was hoping they would have a slate/peg frame for embroidery (the old fashion kind of embroidery frame, found in the UK, but not commonly found in the States). I've asked via email about one, and Lacis never responded. A friend asked them in person when he visited the store, and they didn't know what it was. I was surprised since I figured they, of all the stores I've known in California, would know what one was and would have one in stock. Not even Hedgehog Handworks has them (at least not online, and they also didn't respond to e-mail). I've only found one US site that carry them, and one other site that claims it will in the future. Both are on the east coast. Kimiko Fresno, CA, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 16:04:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4rDl019815 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4keh027321; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14L4EsN022899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4EiD063966; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4AKU063920 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8035DD59 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:04:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:58:45 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image In-Reply-To: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> References: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:04:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E516EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:23 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have >my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a >second opinion of what he is wearing. > >http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > >How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? > >The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical >costumes", Jan Matejko. > > >Dawn It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 16:17:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14LHtFB019992 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:17:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14LHlKQ018068; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:17:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14LH9oO024440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14LH8fd074398; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14LH3kf074252 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.129]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060204211657.VPVN3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:16:57 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:16:54 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:17:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E519FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I remember hearing a rumor that the volume 4 (textile finds) of Osebergfundet was written but never published.. does anyone know the status of that project? Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 17:07:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14M77I9020595 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:07:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14M70oh000480; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:07:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14M5WTt028169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:05:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14M5TcO011690; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14M5Obw011608 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j40so309658ugd for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:05:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l0ixi4h6A3+KkK2356XMqEKY7uad0VPsDaxSx72PuzFPs4Ri1jne8COoHIH37bS8O6BMV8axDs0dLEEdE4tgoxzg8wlS4Ze+gPdhqt2aOFxWGfPEdEN0kHRJEMdJ2kAMVY2oUwgBmtCRLMyNeC1+iFK6+DYVuxuvsLTyygRyR9U= Received: by 10.48.223.10 with SMTP id v10mr694173nfg; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:05:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:05:21 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:07:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E52584.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k14M77I9020595 Status: RO As volume 5 was published in 1919 - I doubt anyone is alive who had any hand in volume 4. I would sugest contacting Oldsaksamling University, Oslo to see if there is any manscript survives. On 04/02/06, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > I remember hearing a rumor that the volume 4 (textile finds) of > Osebergfundet was written but never published.. does anyone know the > status > of that project? > > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 21:07:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1527lYT023758 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:07:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1527doY008818; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:07:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1527FNx051078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1527Bg3001941; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15277ls001822 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.171.161] (dialup-4.249.171.161.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.171.161]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1526sIf002489 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:06:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43E55DF2.9080607@theoldforest.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:07:46 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:07:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E55DEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Caroline wrote: > As volume 5 was published in 1919 - I doubt anyone is alive who had any hand > in volume 4. I would sugest contacting Oldsaksamling University, Oslo to > see if there is any manscript survives. > > ah but volumes 1-3 & 5 were published as you said, but volume 4 was never published! there's been that rumour that it's coming out for quite a while - not a clue on reality though. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 21:50:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k152oFb1025001 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:50:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k152o7gd022042; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:50:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k152nPYQ056764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k152nLnG036158; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14NbaMx088946 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08582 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:07:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:07:46 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:50:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E567DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 06:23 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: > >I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have > >my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a > >second opinion of what he is wearing. > > > >http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > > > >How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? > > > >The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical > >costumes", Jan Matejko. > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for > the upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since > the shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. Or, equally likely, the original artwork had shadows, and the artist didn't understand what he was looking at, and rendered them as lines that might have been (in his impression) seams or trim or a separate overlayer. It's anyone's guess what the 19th-century artist thought it was, and in any case, that probably has little to do with what was actually done historically. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 22:10:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153AMg9025256 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:10:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153ACDI027813; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1539f57059248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1539ax5051613; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1539VUd051490 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:09:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 44656 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 03:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 03:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E56C94.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's actually the future, I believe). I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my inspiration. As always, thanks in advance. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 22:15:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153Fgne025325 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:15:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153FZdC029441; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:15:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k153FIlt059889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153FFmi055567; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153FC76055467 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D04A1F97 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:15:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E56DD1.3000006@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:15:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:15:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E56DD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wanda Pease wrote: > This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book stuffed with information > far in excess of the dry listing of what Henry and Edward owned. It also > has a glossary and dictionary. My copy bristles with little yellow sticky > notes marking fascinating things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, > the eye glasses. Is it illustrated at all or is it simply text? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 22:28:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153S6HC025454 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:28:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153RwNd000645; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k153Q3Dm061215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153Q2hx064053; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153PwcF063925 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F92A21BF for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:25:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E57057.2060202@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:26:15 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image References: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:28:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E570BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg >> > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. > It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 01:10:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k156ATec027194 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:10:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k156ALLk015153; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:10:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1569nwT078772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:09:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1569gX0082976; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:09:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1569cJC082924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1569YGk011035 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:09:37 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:12:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <43E56DD1.3000006@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:10:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E596CD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Is it illustrated at all or is it simply text? > > > > Dawn All Text, but there is the promise of an illustrated second volume this sometime "real soon" now. Things are described in such a way, that if you have much experience with period items you will have little trouble envisioning them. Of course, for me the written word translates into a vision in my head. I 'see' the story a book is telling. It makes it hard when my favorites are made into movies and the characters don't look a thing like I imagine them! Wanda > Wanda Pease wrote: > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 02:01:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15718K3027637 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:01:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15710Md032464; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:01:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1570LME082684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1570JKL021444; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1570G1P021398 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A16D48F700E4; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:55:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:00:19 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 02:13:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k157DOY8027759 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:13:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k157DGro004317; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:13:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k157Cap7084297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k157CX3N031684; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:12:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k157CUcA031633 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 178C83387A for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:12:29 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:12:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <43E57057.2060202@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:13:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5A58C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From the head gear on the man behind the guy in black, you are probably looking at Germanic. Maybe coat flaps (fur lined) or "collar" . http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer21.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer9.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer25.htm Upper right, pink and black striped sleeves (which is probably Durer) http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer59.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer47.htm -----Original Message----- It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 03:19:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k158JIi6028317 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:19:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k158JA4n026821; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:19:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k158G499092561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k158FxBm087108; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k158Ft0a086966 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:15:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61466 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 08:15:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pzfKm+fCZWvD1sjURk635XCdYiYSnQkSogRgmVk9Jwcy7E9GyrjdPaEHhM47L6E61ac8ckYDjkZycg5LQggQoen1XNThm4aT3RsXsDz+tAKD03p4Un/Z2845gVzh8wLHkCiOEOVLGNg3BigH5qCiUeEJnxPPCEXox4u7m87UGd0= ; Message-ID: <20060205081549.61464.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:15:49 PST Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Class: was williamsburg suit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:19:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5B4FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One of the problems with the papertape and ducttape forms is that they are not really corrected after being made. Standing up for 2 hours or so, getting glued up with automatically make you slouch, so what you get is a dressform with a bad posture ;-) The teacher is using some special strong paper and glue to get the form, then the form is cut up and corrected to your normal bodyshape, a thin layer of padding is put on, and a fabric cover is made. What you get is an exact copy of yourself, minus the slouching. Oh, those 3000 danish kr is a long weekend course Friday noon to Monday night with overnight stay and food. Tania WickedFrau wrote: Clearly I won't be able to make the class, but I am interested, if you have a little information, about what materials will be used and what the process is. I wonder if it isn't like the kits you can buy over here with a video... Sg Tania Gruning wrote: >Hi Bjarne. > My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. > > Tania > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 04:56:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k159u3OG029815 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:56:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k159tu8D009510; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:55:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k159rlox021391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k159rfV1066247; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k159rd4P066209 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u2so336366uge for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:53:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jl9PsFfHsESdukZI4TkmqjI7waLrcmsKAUmgcE5w2+nJbf8NrEkvKbDwtM/dxluZwhgia/vLsIclBCSZLjV+7OYxsT2CSRU6zUx5w/zxK8hR4Z0typSLtz4Z/Pf6aL6uNYxuB7wA4QJi7rGFcxl4MqENrn2tSVUFrpnLjDXgOM8= Received: by 10.48.108.11 with SMTP id g11mr916866nfc; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:53:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602050153p6ca919acv@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:53:38 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles In-Reply-To: <43E55DF2.9080607@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> <43E55DF2.9080607@theoldforest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:55:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5CBAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k159u3OG029815 Status: RO I know vol 4 was never published. If it is going to be published only Oslo University would know. I recently got some unpublished text from Perth (I still had to pay - and I cannot publish it) on medieval textiles excavated in the 80's. The text for Osbergfundet 4 may also be available in this form. Write to them and ask. On 05/02/06, Judy Mitchell wrote: > > Caroline wrote: > > As volume 5 was published in 1919 - I doubt anyone is alive who had any > hand > > in volume 4. I would sugest contacting Oldsaksamling University, Oslo > to > > see if there is any manscript survives. > > > > > ah but volumes 1-3 & 5 were published as you said, but volume 4 > was > never published! there's been that rumour that it's coming out for quite > a while - not a clue on reality though. > > -Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 08:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15DFcmX004091 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:15:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15DFV2Q014304; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15DEhXW055765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DEYrB040820; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DEVqC040686 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA30022C; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:14:24 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Feb 2006 08:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c62a56$564ed9c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net><6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> <43E57057.2060202@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:16:11 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:15:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5FA73.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's a wild guess. The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that became academic or judicial garb of honor. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > Kimiko Small wrote: > > >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > >> > > > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the > > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the > > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. > > > > > It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's > clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a > yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part > is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. > > Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 08:40:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Demma004384 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:40:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15DefAv023683; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:40:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15DZHiD058967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DZFUC055730; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:35:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DZB6j055629 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF080250; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:35:04 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Feb 2006 08:35:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c62a59$3d988720$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:36:58 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:40:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E60059.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wouldn't that be too flimsy? Seems to me that the weight of any garment would crush the extension. I have read somewhere (Godey's) that piano wire was one of the reliable wires for making these cages. I have at least three crins of this period and the wire in them is not quite tubular (think 'linguini and not speggitti).It is flexable but is not bent easily. The originals were fiber cased. One I use for contemporary use ad shed most of this covering in it's long history. I recovered it with white florist tape. This allows it to move freely in its traces and retards the rusting of the steel. Another one has had the vertical tapes replaced with drapery header. I found one that was the width of the original and had the neat tracers that accommodated the wire exactly. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring > tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > > > I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. > > I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made > from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more > (though if > anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > > Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased > it > in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, > > and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing > and > the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it > using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it > was > for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be > dragged around a muddy field). > > Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things > on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I > never seem to find the time for :-( > > Debs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 09:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15EGEX7004834 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:16:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15EG4MV002170; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15EFWX4064533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15EFPHd083160; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15EFOJ5083145 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:15:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so916440wri for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:15:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k9WpfgSvGSRFDuHl8x6ahk98fn+6qpvCWKVu9o4F7wiBGkJGbzUNpNryR3dgsg7dfwjPt3jBN/5cv/HEszGx05R3lTieIsNZq0kre/5km9L+Nn7ReaYCYRwuiIkZTKNuuAUMcRdvhWQMd82uXhTW4ieU9ISY6aUOwltjqZtEyps= Received: by 10.54.86.20 with SMTP id j20mr1967968wrb; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.7 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:15:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:15:23 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query In-Reply-To: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k15EFOJ5083145 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E608A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Farthingale's has "crin steel" a "Thread Covered Hoop Steel", I've never tried it but it looks much like what is in original cage hoops, don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted to try it for a cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php Text from their website: Hoop Steel/Crin Steel/Tutu Steel "We have several weights of hoop steel and you will likely be able to find one to suit your purpose. One style is "thread covered", it can be bent but not easily, comes in 3 widths and two colours; the narrowest is known as tutu steel as it is used in tutus for partner work. The second type of steel is "plastic coated" and this comes in varying widths and weights. Both require tin snips to cut." Greengerg and Hammer sells bons casing to fit 1/4" and 1/2 inch bones, this could alaso be used to construct a cage hoop or bustle. And it's cotton. I also use this for corset bone casings. http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=1340 Katy On 2/5/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring > tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > > > I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. > > I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made > from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more > (though if > anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > > Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased > it > in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, > > and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing > and > the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it > using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it > was > for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be > dragged around a muddy field). > > Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things > on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I > never seem to find the time for :-( > > Debs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 09:28:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15ESstV004981 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:28:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15ESkQk006011; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:28:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15ESBC5065892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15ESAUW091612; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15ES7Yp091572 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.52]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F5ks1-00038N-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:28:05 -0500 Message-ID: <14585483.1139149685769.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:28:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:28:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E60B9E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It looks to me like an add-on, too--an applied exaggerated collar (fur?), most likely, considering how well it fits the neck edge of the gown. (Those points would have been the envy of Carnaby Street back in the 'Sixties!) It doesn't look like a turn-back of the gown's natural edge. I initially thought of a separate mini-surplice-like thing, but how it would maintain its shape and also line up along the neck edge I don't know. I know nothing of this illustrator--did he reliably work from original illustrations such as paintings and illuminations, or was he one of the nineteenth-century fact-plus-imagination types? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Lloyd Mitchell >Sent: Feb 5, 2006 8:16 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > >Here's a wild guess. >The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the >rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe >could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the >garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. >There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that >became academic or judicial garb of honor. > >Kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dawn" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > > >> Kimiko Small wrote: >> >> >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg >> >> >> > >> > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the >> > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the >> > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not >> > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. >> > >> >> >> It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's >> clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a >> yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part >> is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. >> >> Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:30:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GUKK0006564 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:30:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GUCbe016028; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:30:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15GTc8G083434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:29:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GTVQZ084270; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GTQxU084227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.232] (pool180-251.patriot.net [209.249.180.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k15GTGOa007528 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:29:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002501c62a59$3d988720$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002501c62a59$3d988720$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:29:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62814.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I have at least three crins of this period and the wire in them is >not quite tubular (think 'linguini and not speggitti).It is flexable >but is not bent easily. The originals were fiber cased. Needle & Thread in Gettysburg, PA (USA) carries this hooping. At least they did some years back when I got it. They have patterns, fabric and supplies for historic reenactors. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:52:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Gqdso006860 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:52:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GqVEJ024948; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:52:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15GpfIx087912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GpcnK006087; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GpYWk006011 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=lSAQc7QXNbSshPHaMh08C5k+KqhQP17lWqjO2Z9UZlkBHuug/8FJNRgWIyUCxv7r; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.204] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5n6q-0005qw-Mj for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:51:33 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01c62a74$665be830$cc159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b0ccfca57f7e7aa44e78c54070132c74c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.204 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:52:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62D4F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO angela wrote: > Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the > depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a > production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era > feel, If what you're looking for is US military uniforms, do an image search at www.altavista.com on "bonus march", which was in 1932, and 1930's + strikes and you will get plenty of images of army uniforms. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:54:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GsQ3x006882 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GsJx3024249; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15Gs2nt088224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15Gs1xc008247; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GrvhP008166 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Qlq/BY6PFw6QHRkqV5WDvnhsWCiDEn7RQNsPtyr2KUURADYidcV8dYCl/uWzL8iv; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.204] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5n9A-00070D-1H for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00a701c62a74$bbcb3eb0$cc159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:53:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b6344e2423cb30c3905a9691893026f44350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.204 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:54:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62DBB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I should have paid more attention to the title, but the search on 1930's strikes should also get you pictures of steel and auto workers. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:55:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GtBDw006895 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:55:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Gt3qT025890; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15GsBkY088266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GsAT4008395; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15Gs6ob008239 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72980 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 16:54:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o0wz5Kf3j+AJ5RL6Cgul8S5fhSPt5WvWvOR+tO2vD1bjTr1DAl3Jw2yx4hPxTa4h3dGQpPoGh4p5rO1ojbSSyxBMCLMAbxZoW4Vuyh4oOdCG4g/nFIgpM1hrllCDeiimvjAe0Jrm7jjP5JQ870JXP3PA86x89h2qCsMytqdoSPM= ; Message-ID: <20060205165400.72978.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:54:00 PST Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602050310.k1539lFO051819@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: posture and cut, was williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:55:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62DE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have been watching this topic with interest. Just my uneducated opinion, but I think there are a number of factors at play here. We are healthier and better fed than our ancestors so yes, our bodies are 'modern' and in many cases lager scaled, but life style has a great deal to do with it as well. For the most part we are trying to reproduce fashions of the middle and upper classes, whose lifestyle was considerably different than the "working" man. If burly shoulders were an indication of a man that had to labor to eke out a living, then I can see where the fashion would be towards making the silhouette as narrow as possible to indicate that a person did not have to labor for his living. These days a more muscular appearance seems to be favored through all social strata. Young men from prosperous families in previous eras engaged in 'leisure activities' that required an upright "back straight, shoulders up and square" posture such as horseback riding, fencing, shooting, etc. And young women similarly - I defy anyone to slouch and play the piano well for example. By comparison, many modern day people drive to work, sit at computers, and for entertainment watch television. Those striving for fitness often work out a gym or health spa which gives a different body structure again than someone whole engages in physical labor for a living. And, as has been mentioned already, posture was an indicator of social status. Also, modern medical science and chiropractic support a more natural posture, advocating allowing for the natural curvature of the spine. To me this looks like slouching btw, but it does open the shoulders wider. Just for an experiement and out of curiosity - I had my shoulder width measured while sitting up square and straight and then when slouching - there was a 5" difference in the width of my shoulder measurement! There are still a wide variety of body types out there. For example, I have a friend who would probably need very little alteration or scaling up for that matter to be fitted well. Lastly, if the stereotype for physical appearance/stature being related to country or geographical area of origin has any basis in fact, would not the clothing made for an 18th cent. Frenchman, (who were supposedly shorter and smaller in stature), be a bit tight for an 18th cent. contemporary from a different geographical origin? JMHO Annette M Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:13:25 +0000 From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit The cut of clothes seems to be still moving (not surprising really..) I would say my husband and I both have pretty good posture, and recently we have both found that shirts or blouses from Next are too narrow across the front and too wide across the back. If we stand normally they strain at the buttons - if we slump our shoulders a little they fit better! Only from the one shop, so far, but Next must think this is the shape of the modern torso. Are there any other periods when you find a wider back and narrower front? We know fashion is cyclical - waistlines go up and down, shoulders and hips go out and in - do shoulders go forward and back as well? Jean Kelly Grant wrote >It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but >if you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the >shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still >have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. > >I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he >felt the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get >a good fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. > >The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of >mine, is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark >taught Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the >city. When I went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the >shape of his body pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was >exciting for both of us to see the way we move in different ways from >our historical counterparts. > >Good luck on the new draft! > >Kelly in Nova Scotia > > > >"Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, >faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers >in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, >despite your fears" >Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > >>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: >>Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 >> >>Hi, >>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as >>much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a >>dress stand of myself. >>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say >>that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong >>and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends >>up to look like these cuts in the book. >>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... >> >>Bjarne >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> Message: 6 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:22:27 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit To: "Historical Costume" Hi Jean, Yes i have often wondered this two, and this about narrow back was that a renaissance "thing" two? There also is the 1625-50 "thing" to bend your back so that your belly goes out. This is both sexes.............. 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Status: RO In my translation anyway it says... Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. Dyed I understand. Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. And does anyone know what halberjet is? These are the only definitions I got when I googled. Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the length of the right arm of king Henry 1. Annette M --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 12:18:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15HISrZ007331 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:18:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15HILRU003339; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:18:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15HI0DI092310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15HHvkU029576; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15HHrSM029476 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8NN3HAG2Q6FA for (sender ); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGGAHF6Q; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:16:36 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:15:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 Message-ID: <20060205.111519.-149657747.1.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-41 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:1135070901 X-MAIL-INFO: 2ffd2da42d3194353194d45494d43de110e500d1e4f0e5612021e4a9615d50c06175b1b0fdb5fdd01dd42494fd54 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn74sP7DRdz6m9yDPPKM7vp4lDY5bzYctzYQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:18:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6335D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In period, russet referred to natural brown wool. By the Elizabethan era (the one I'm most familiar with), russet cloth had come to imply/symbolize the honest and sturdy countryman who would wear fabric made from English wools instead of the foreign silks worn by courtiers. Karen Seamstrix On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:08:22 -0800 (PST) Kahlara writes: > In my translation anyway it says... > > Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth > whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the > selvedges. > > Dyed I understand. > > Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. > > And does anyone know what halberjet is? > > These are the only definitions I got when I googled. > > Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. > Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. > Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the > length of the right arm of king Henry 1. > > Annette M > > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! 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Status: RO >> Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the >> depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a >> production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era >> feel, http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html photos from 1935-1945 in color and black and white, searchable to some degree. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:23:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15INXHl012251 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:23:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15INP44031131; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:23:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IN7Ka004853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IN6nc092503; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IN2T4092447 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 870245253 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:22:59 -0600 Message-ID: <039301c62a81$37e218f0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1><007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1><009f01c62a74$665be830$cc159b04@HELENPINTO> <038e01c62a7f$a9d1ccf0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:23:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:23:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6429D.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html > > > photos from 1935-1945 in color and black and white, searchable to some > degree. I should have added some categories to look under so you don't get overwhelmed. The subject heading "laborers" shows men and women in depression era clothing. The subject heading "women--employment" shows many women in the war era working in factories. The subject heading "women" has many of the war era factory photos, plus many in other settings and time frames. It's a great web site to just cruise around. Nearly every aspect of living at the time is depicted in some form or another. 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Status: RO See if you can find the Time-Life books series of pictoral histories of the different decades. These books are full of pictures of people in all walks of life. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:33:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXfUf014089 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXXW3018767; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IXLsj007210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IXL2F001980; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15GbOco091696 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8NLPCAV8Y49A for (sender ); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGF769ED; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:36:04 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:59:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20060205.083549.1996.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 7:3:176756345 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgiQU1gby13wbqkLnLI2LuyQ= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] slate frames X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:33:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E644FD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try contact Pastiche: . They're a wonderful costuming/needlework/books merchant located in Portland, OR. They have carried slate frames in the past. If this e-mail doesn't work, write me off-list and I'll send you their phone number. Arlys Cley@juno.com > I was hoping they would have a slate/peg frame for embroidery (the > old > fashion kind of embroidery frame, found in the UK, but not commonly > found > in the States). I've asked via email about one, and Lacis never > responded. > A friend asked them in person when he visited the store, and they > didn't > know what it was. I was surprised since I figured they, of all the > stores > I've known in California, would know what one was and would have one > in stock. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:33:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXZtY014068 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXSPL016410; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IWxAE007081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IWxJ0001567; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15Ev3iq011442 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:53:56 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:57:03 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <004601c62a64$6cf1a5f0$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcYqVm4jBJ73dQGfSRWfDygm6Uo+PQADY0Sw In-Reply-To: <001501c62a56$564ed9c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2006 14:53:56.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD5FF110:01C62A63] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:33:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E644F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was seeing the whole thing as Soldiers and Nobles vs. Scholars and craftsmen. (viz. Might makes right? Early class consciousness?) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Here's a wild guess. The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that became academic or judicial garb of honor. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > Kimiko Small wrote: > > >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > >> > > > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the > > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the > > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. > > > > > It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's > clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a > yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part > is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. > > Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXw4p014151 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXpQx031135; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IX977007167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IX6jc001714; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GJWXX074972 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5555.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.85]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 543F826288A for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:19:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com><001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:19:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6450F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Not that it is my period, and i dont want to interfer your disgussion, but i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > Farthingale's has "crin steel" a "Thread Covered Hoop Steel", I've > never tried it but it looks much like what is in original cage hoops, > don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted to try it for a > cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > > Text from their website: > > Hoop Steel/Crin Steel/Tutu Steel > > "We have several weights of hoop steel and you will likely be able to > find one to suit your purpose. One style is "thread covered", it can > be bent but not easily, comes in 3 widths and two colours; the > narrowest is known as tutu steel as it is used in tutus for partner > work. The second type of steel is "plastic coated" and this comes in > varying widths and weights. Both require tin snips to cut." > > Greengerg and Hammer sells bons casing to fit 1/4" and 1/2 inch bones, > this could alaso be used to construct a cage hoop or bustle. And it's > cotton. I also use this for corset bone casings. > > http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=1340 > > Katy > > On 2/5/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >> I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in >> measuring >> tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the >> manufacturer. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query >> >> >> I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. >> >> I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were >> made >> from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more >> (though if >> anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) >> >> Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and >> encased >> it >> in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the >> verticals, >> >> and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing >> and >> the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached >> it >> using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing >> (it >> was >> for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be >> dragged around a muddy field). >> >> Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many >> things >> on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that >> I >> never seem to find the time for :-( >> >> Debs >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:36:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Ia3id014550 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:36:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IZuFi004014; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IZNji007647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IZNKk003758; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15HLhcg033249 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78892 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 17:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 17:21:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205171831.01dd1720@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:21:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: <20060205170822.43638.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060205170822.43638.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:35:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6458C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 17:08 05/02/2006, you wrote: >In my translation anyway it says... > > Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth > whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. > > Dyed I understand. > > Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. > > And does anyone know what halberjet is? > > These are the only definitions I got when I googled. > > Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. And for livery in Tudor times > Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. Sorry, this one passes me by. > Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the > length of the right arm of king Henry 1. An ell is (AFAIK) a yard and a quarter, that is 45". (I think there is something in Shakespeare about it, possibly in "Comedy of Errors", but memory fades with my hair)! (2 ells = 90" - that's a very wide width of cloth?) > > Annette M > > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:04:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15J4Sjo019742 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:04:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15J4KgM014475; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:04:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15J3Qc4012001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15J3N61027264; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15J3GqK027158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:03:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k15J3C1p017059 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:03:15 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com><001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:04:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E64C34.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my > red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you > could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops > for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. I think Wissner does make a product of a weight that is good for hoops. It's thicker than the corset weight. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:14:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JEH0E021678 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:14:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JE91W017971; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:14:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15JDYRn013283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JDVT6035795; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15JDPHl035708 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62787 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 19:13:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205190743.01dcb6a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:13:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query In-Reply-To: <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:14:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E64E81.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:03 05/02/2006, you wrote: > > i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my > > red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you > > could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops > > for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. > > I think Wissner does make a product of a weight that is good for >hoops. It's thicker than the corset weight. > > -Carol The crinoline steel I use is like the stuff they sell at Farthingales, and is specifically made for hoops. The cotton covered sort, (we have three widths and I use the medium width) will take heavy petticoats and skirts and is flexible without collapsing, and does not de-form even when you pack it tightly in a suitcase (for using in lectures.) Maybe I've missed the point here, but if the covered steel is what was used, on some crinolines, originally, is there any reason to look for anything else? I have photos, as I am sure so do other people, of cotton covered crinolines in museums, which is why I use that. If you use bare steel, you cannot get the original 19th century connectors, unless you have them made specially, so it would be a problem to copy exactly anyway. Suzi (rather puzzled) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:27:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JRtrP024124 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JRmPb022365; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15JRRVS016096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JRPVn047780; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JRMq2047635 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA69A20E696 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:12 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:05 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: hoop steel... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:27:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E651B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 7:57 AM -0700 2/5/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made >from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more >(though if >anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > >Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased >it >in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, Hi We got some stuff that acted like the old caged hoop I have in an airplane/RC hobbiest shop. It was a short (3') length--but was spring steel. My DH needed to make a new spring for and old box camera. The stuff came in a variety of gauges. I bet you could get it in longer lengths from the mill. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:56:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Ju7TF028285 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:56:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Ju0mM031813; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15JsqcT020754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15Jsngu068401; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JsknJ068337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k15JseA4003966 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:54:43 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55671.64.156.242.51.1139169284.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205190743.01dcb6a0@127.0.0.1> References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060205190743.01dcb6a0@127.0.0.1> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:56:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65850.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Maybe I've missed the point here, but if the covered steel is what > was used, on some crinolines, originally, is there any reason to look > for anything else? It may be a matter of availability, depending on where someone lives, import taxes, etc. Also when the question was asked originally, perhaps the poster did not know the "real thing" is available. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 15:03:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K3w9t029802 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:03:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K3ph9001697; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15K34ie021698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:03:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K34x3074362; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:03:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K2x9j074228 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.68]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060205200252.GSFH3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:02:52 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060205134839.02663880@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:02:47 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65A27.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't been following this thread, but this sounds very similar to what is known as "fish tape" used by electricians to "fish" (pull) a wire through a conduit (tubing). These are rolls of spring wire (flat with rounded edges) that come in a case with reel in 5'0', 100' & 200' lengths. Lightweight 50' rolls available quite inexpensively from tool places like Harbor Freight. The heavier professional ones are more expensive. They occasionally break under the load than an electrician puts on them.. you might find a friendly electrician who'll give you one that has (how I got mine). Beth >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:00:19 -0800 >From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and > casings query >I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring >tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com >I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. > >I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made >from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more >(though if >anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > >Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased >it >in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, > >and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing >and >the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it >using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it >was >for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be >dragged around a muddy field). > >Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things >on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I >never seem to find the time for :-( > >Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 15:08:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K8jlb030612 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:08:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K8cVR003206; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:08:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15K85GB022582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K84c2078333; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K80Jn078232 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17912 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:38:15 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:38:13 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205171831.01dd1720@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:08:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65B46.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:08 05/02/2006, you wrote: > >In my translation anyway it says... > > > > Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth > > whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. > > > > Dyed I understand. > > > > Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. Russet, in this period, means an undyed cloth from black-sheep wool, so usually brown or grey. The color meaning came much later. I can dig out lengthy discussion of this from past posts if anyone needs it. I have a distant memory of a discussion of "hauberject" or a similar word, on this list, years ago, and remember nothing of value and cannot find it in my notes. > An ell is (AFAIK) a yard and a quarter, that is 45". (I think there > is something in Shakespeare about it, possibly in "Comedy of Errors", > but memory fades with my hair)! (2 ells = 90" - that's a very wide > width of cloth?) Ells vary from one time/place to another, and typically were less than a yard. Better minds than I have written copious amounts of information on ell lengths. In a paper I happen to have on my desk this moment about French textiles from the late 1200s, I see a reference that says 840 Flemish ells equals about 679 Champagne ells equals 640 modern yards -- so lots of variation here. The author cites her source as John Munro's article on "Textile Technology," in The Dictionary of the Middle Ages, ed. Joseph R. Strayer (New York: Scribner, 1988), vol. 11, p. 704. Munro has done a great deal with textile economics, and probably has quite a number of discussions of ells in various places and times. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 15:10:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15KAKWR030922 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:10:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15KACn0027840; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:10:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15K8cGu022667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K8cIw078783; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K8Y5e078638 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.68]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060205200828.KDMO12342.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:08:28 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060205134919.02667020@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:08:23 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:10:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65BA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. I'll give it a try. Beth At 08:57 AM 2/5/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:53:38 +0000 >From: Caroline >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles > >I know vol 4 was never published. If it is going to be published only Oslo >University would know. I recently got some unpublished text from Perth (I >still had to pay - and I cannot publish it) on medieval textiles excavated >in the 80's. > >The text for Osbergfundet 4 may also be available in this form. Write to >them and ask. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 16:22:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LMKCL003199 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:22:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LMCpT026873; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:22:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15LLabw037893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15LLUEr046380; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15LLRc4046242 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 59028 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 21:21:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VkXO8h4d7ukEeEtAFwTB8/54FklNPib07w9cD2aSi0I8+TzGUjAmUetNw1M5+Zk7m2Ro4UjUE78VsVbfYecuFHkl5f2tGKSQ7lVfalMUG/nt9TB32v6QfYgEQv1qza6O6rUtYmeb5srbd1gjUCq5H2AnT5Fpvms46/wF1bL3YI4= ; Message-ID: <20060205212121.59026.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.157.124.14] by web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:21:21 EST Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:21:21 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Carroll-Clark To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <55671.64.156.242.51.1139169284.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Archaeological citation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:22:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E66C84.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings-- I'm working on a group research project with several other folks, and we're trying to track down a more in-depth citation for some information. It's from the following book: Weinstein, Rosemary. "Tudor London." London: Museum of London, 1994 ISBN: 0-11-290495-5 The book says this find came from a swampy area in London--Moorfield, just north of the city wall. The find consisted of: a leather ankle boot child's choe knitted woollen cap silk smocking on a woollen cloth (looks like a sleeve to me) coarse woollen sleeve child's sock c. 1530-90 The book doesn't cite any publication info for the find. Anyone got any ideas where we might find it? Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 16:26:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LQbHb003257 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:26:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LQUp4028258; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:26:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15LO3TA038348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15LO2t8048736; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15LNx7S048678 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 10693 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 21:23:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OE4hnlk+E8vPGBpqNb3e88J+DaolAqKELENDrSH1OrPuiS3vyalXDwDbG+QJHeQlTxdLxh19njvkIlOv1uK3BRTnDFr29FQRsLL8Rc7d0SFS2DsU2Q+Fb0qq9NLhuYdl2WWzdDEn0EUJgpVe4W28MW/hQzXJ3DKw3SboxP3ktkg= ; Message-ID: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:23:58 GMT Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:26:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E66D86.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for all the help - Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps Deb, I didn't see your reply before it was included in a message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job so I just need to check it will take the width of steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff used on this crinoline http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a friend who owns one first. Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures as close as they need to be to be sure. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo when it's done! Yours gratefully, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! 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Status: RO On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, katherine sanders wrote: > Hello! Could someone please send me the digest 107? I > can't find it in my in-box and Im worried I missed a > message for me. Try checking recent messages at these sites: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/maillist.html http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 17:07:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15M7wFM003967 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15M7pwx010013; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15M7Mwb047177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15M7JJ7087222; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:07:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15M7Ebr087132 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 11112 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 22:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 22:07:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205220452.01dbf780@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:07:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and In-Reply-To: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:07:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E67737.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:23 05/02/2006, you wrote: >Thanks for all the help - > >Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that >crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going >for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, >there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps Katherine Talk to the people at the address I gave you - you will find they do different widths of crinoline steel, and strong twill tape. (E-mail me for my phone number and I can talk you through it if you want - I make hoops of all shapes and sizes all the time.) >Deb, >I didn't see your reply before it was included in a >message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I >think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I >found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job >so I just need to check it will take the width of >steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be >enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will >look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill >tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff >used on this crinoline >http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html > >The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too >wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing >when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it >near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables >are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a >friend who owns one first. > >Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' >looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm >happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures >as close as they need to be to be sure. >http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > >I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I >can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who >can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who >may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) > >Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo >when it's done! > >Yours gratefully, >Katherine > > > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > >___________________________________________________________ >NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used >cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 17:23:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15MN3GB004455 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:23:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15MMrZM014584; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15MGtDW048506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15MGqis094900; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15MGl4b094839 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71029 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 22:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 22:16:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205220815.01dda088@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:15:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archaeological citation In-Reply-To: <20060205212121.59026.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <55671.64.156.242.51.1139169284.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <20060205212121.59026.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:22:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E67ABD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:21 05/02/2006, you wrote: >Greetings-- > >I'm working on a group research project with several >other folks, and we're trying to track down a more >in-depth citation for some information. > >It's from the following book: >Weinstein, Rosemary. "Tudor London." London: Museum >of London, 1994 >ISBN: 0-11-290495-5 > >The book says this find came from a swampy area in >London--Moorfield, just north of the city wall. > >The find consisted of: >a leather ankle boot >child's choe >knitted woollen cap >silk smocking on a woollen cloth (looks like a sleeve >to me) >coarse woollen sleeve >child's sock >c. 1530-90 > >The book doesn't cite any publication info for the >find. Anyone got any ideas where we might find it? I suggest you contact the Museum itself Department of Early London History and Collections Museum of London 150 London Wall London. EC2Y 5HN Tel: 020 7814 5732 Fax: 020 7600 1058 www.museumoflondon.org.uk Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 19:01:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1601GVa006664 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:01:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16019OE013893; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1600YKl065402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:00:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1600SGX086334; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f31.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1600PGY086225 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:00:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:00:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear/Urinetown Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:00:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 00:00:20.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[5225D6A0:01C62AB0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:01:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E691C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What is this...the year for depression era Urinetown???We're doing the same sho for the final one of the season...we'll get the scetches next week! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 > >Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the >depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a >production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era >feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's >actually the future, I believe). > >I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps >someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my >inspiration. > >As always, thanks in advance. > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >Theatrical Costume Design > >"Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: >be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, >and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: >be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." >W. Shakespeare > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 19:42:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k160gubC007495 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:42:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k160gnco027331; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k160gO65072647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k160gKWK020340; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k160gEBA020190 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:42:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB5F02C4; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:42:07 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Feb 2006 19:42:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c62ab6$6ccc9880$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:44:01 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:42:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E69B89.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is the kind of tape that I have used very successfully for making cage hoops. Good luck with your project. The tape sure beats having to make riders of other tape or thread overlays and the fact that it is uniform in its pockets gives a more professional construction that will stand the motion of the cage and the garments that will be supported. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and > Thanks for all the help - > > Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that > crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going > for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, > there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps > > Deb, > I didn't see your reply before it was included in a > message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I > think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I > found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job > so I just need to check it will take the width of > steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be > enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will > look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill > tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff > used on this crinoline > http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html > > The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too > wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing > when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it > near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables > are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a > friend who owns one first. > > Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' > looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm > happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures > as close as they need to be to be sure. > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > > I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I > can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who > can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who > may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) > > Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo > when it's done! > > Yours gratefully, > Katherine > > > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > NEW Yahoo! 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Status: RO --- Katy Bishop wrote: > Farthingale's has "crin steel" a "Thread Covered > Hoop Steel", I've > never tried it but it looks much like what is in > original cage hoops, > don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted > to try it for a > cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > -- > Katy Bishop You will certainly get good service if/when you do order from her, even with the border crossing to cause problems. She is also fascinated by what creations her clients come up with. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 23:24:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k164Odip010602 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:24:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k164OWSw000496; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k164MoOu005422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k164MoaN003596; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k162jjBs022467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k162jfU9023845 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:45:44 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:48:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:24:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6CF80.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm going to try and make a Tudor Style tall hat with the pleated crown. I went to the local GoodWill and they had a hat that fitted perfectly of 100% wool felt. Problem is that it is a domed crown rather than square. Is there a way to steam that crown and get it fairly fat? I intend to play with an thick interlining that I have to get the brim shape, then I'll cut the actual hat brim. Does this sound reasonable, or does it sound like it will be more work than simply creating the under-structure out the interfacing and paper and going from there? Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 01:37:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k166bpEf012288 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 01:37:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k166bi4t010689; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 01:37:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k166b8kg032862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k166b46m025241; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k166axh7025158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k166atu6018443 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:36:58 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pants Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:39:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060204104526.3898.qmail@web37213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 01:37:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6EEB8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Pants... You mean bloomers like they might have worn bicycling or underwear type pants? Wanda > -----Orig > > > Does anybody have a pattern for 19th century women's pants? 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Status: RO <--- katherine sanders wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16CVj28016267 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:31:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16CVcdX029878; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:31:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16CU4Mv020134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16CTuAv038508; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16CTp08038437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 23838 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 04:29:51 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 23815, pid: 23824, t: 1.8512s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1278 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 04:29:49 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:27:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:31:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E741AA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 midwives clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover a fair bit of moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated skirts all wool lined with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's mikmaid has to be remade anyway as I've dropped from english size 20 to a 10. Re-making the kit is no problem but how should I repair the moth holes? I can darn and patch.I have lovely woolen yarn in a matching colour for darning and also scraps of the cloth for patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? I'm hoping to make the repairs part of the costume part of my presentation. My character is a respectable midwife, licesnsed by the Bishop, well repected etc etc but not hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully recieved. Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier than making it bigger. sorry about my speelling mistakes. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 08:25:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DPZtV017104 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:25:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DPS3D018123; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:25:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16DNPAH032939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DNNWv091477; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:23:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav15.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DNH3Y091249 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:23:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:23:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:23:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 13:23:12.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ACC6040:01C62B20] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:25:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E74E48.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you have a wool hat, it's incredibly easy to steam it to the shape you want! You need to find something that will be a good shape for a block, like a flower pot. Make sure it's a good size to match your head size. Remove all the addition hat stuff from inside the felt, like the hat band and such. Then using you kettle, steam the inside of the felt and then pull it down over the block. Keep trying until you get the desired shape. the felt will move around quite a bit! Have fun! Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat > I'm going to try and make a Tudor Style tall hat with the pleated crown. > I > went to the local GoodWill and they had a hat that fitted perfectly of > 100% > wool felt. Problem is that it is a domed crown rather than square. Is > there > a way to steam that crown and get it fairly fat? > > I intend to play with an thick interlining that I have to get the brim > shape, then I'll cut the actual hat brim. > > Does this sound reasonable, or does it sound like it will be more work > than > simply creating the under-structure out the interfacing and paper and > going > from there? > > > Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey > Never attribute to malice what can as easily > be attributed to simple social ineptness > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 08:34:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DYWZR017322 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:34:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DYNMJ022148; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16DWDk6034337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DW9E8099817; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav23.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DW52P099751 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:32:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:32:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:32:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 13:32:05.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[B849FE90:01C62B21] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:34:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7505F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Very cool about the moths! my friend Griet would love to have had that happen to her clothing! I could see a mixture of repair styles done, as long as then were done cleanly, to the best of you ability. Mended clothes were a good think, as they were so expensive in the first place, not at all like today. Even just a few decades ago, a little thing like a hole in your tuxedo jacket went to the menders to be darned or rewoven. They would take a piece of matching cloth and fray the four edges so that you had a solid piece in the centre that was the size of the hole, and frayed thread ends to weave back into the cloth. Therese de Dillmont's book on hand work shows great examples of how to do this kind of mending. I can't exactly remember the title of the book, and it's at home...sorry. BTW, can I send you a riding habit to hang out in your attic for a while???;-> Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques > Hello, > I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 > midwives clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover a > fair bit of moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated skirts > all wool lined with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's mikmaid has to be > remade anyway as I've dropped from english size 20 to a 10. Re-making the > kit is no problem but how should I repair the moth holes? I can darn and > patch.I have lovely woolen yarn in a matching colour for darning and also > scraps of the cloth for patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? > I'm hoping to make the repairs part of the costume part of my > presentation. My character is a respectable midwife, licesnsed by the > Bishop, well repected etc etc but not hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully > recieved. > Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real > clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier than > making it bigger. > sorry about my speelling mistakes. > > regards > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 08:50:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DobUu017677 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:50:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DoUXC028911; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:50:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16Do0bA036186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DnxNM014831; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DntXB014692 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:49:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3FC02F4; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:49:48 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 6 Feb 2006 08:49:39 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c62b24$741ccf60$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:51:37 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E75426.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would lean toward mending and leave patches for tears. If you are 'respectable', I think you would not advertise that you are also dirt poor. Somehow, I think illustrators of children's books have contributed to our concepts of how people of the past dealt with worn clothing. I find mending to be the proper way and patches, a quick fix. It is akin to using safteypins in place of lost buttons. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques > Hello, > I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 midwives > clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover a fair bit of > moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated skirts all wool lined > with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's mikmaid has to be remade anyway as > I've dropped from english size 20 to a 10. Re-making the kit is no problem > but how should I repair the moth holes? I can darn and patch.I have lovely > woolen yarn in a matching colour for darning and also scraps of the cloth > for patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? I'm hoping to make > the repairs part of the costume part of my presentation. My character is a > respectable midwife, licesnsed by the Bishop, well repected etc etc but not > hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully recieved. > Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real > clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier than > making it bigger. > sorry about my speelling mistakes. > > regards > Joy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 09:08:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E8YFl017996 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:08:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E8RNB004667; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:08:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16E1jAR037728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16E1idv025977; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16E1fll025931 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 17513 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 06:01:40 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17443, pid: 17508, t: 0.7769s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 06:01:39 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060206055629.02250838@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:00:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques In-Reply-To: <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:08:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7585B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:27 AM 2/6/2006, you wrote: >Hello, >I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 >midwives clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover >a fair bit of moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated >skirts all wool lined with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's >mikmaid has to be remade anyway as I've dropped from english size 20 >to a 10. Re-making the kit is no problem but how should I repair the >moth holes? I can darn and patch.I have lovely woolen yarn in a >matching colour for darning and also scraps of the cloth for >patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? I'm hoping to >make the repairs part of the costume part of my presentation. My >character is a respectable midwife, licesnsed by the Bishop, well >repected etc etc but not hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully recieved. >Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real >clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier >than making it bigger. >sorry about my speelling mistakes. > >regards >Joy I would recommend that any holes above 1/2-inch or so should be patched. Anything smaller could be darned fairly easily. And it goes without saying that you would make the repairs as unobtrusive as possible (which will be much easier than patching a cotton print dress since there is no matching of patterns to worry about, just matching the grain). Congratulations on your weight loss. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 09:09:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E9mlK018006 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:09:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E9f0n019638; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:09:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16E9AQP038564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16E98I0033460; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from decna.com (decna.com [194.63.250.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16E9368033297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from decna.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by decna.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k16E8w8U030977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:08:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by decna.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) with ESMTP id k16E8wPA030974 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:08:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: decna.com: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:08:58 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@decna.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner-Information: http://www.decna.no Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:09:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E758A5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Robin Netherton wrote: > I have a distant memory of a discussion of "hauberject" or a similar word, > on this list, years ago, and remember nothing of value and cannot find it > in my notes. Yes, I have one post saved from 2004. I couldn't find anything in any of the archives when searching for the word, but with the poster info I found it: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?l=hcos04&s=agnes%20gawne&Cmd=Match+6 I'm not sure if there was anything else in that discussion, but with the date as a starting point it should be possible to find out. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 09:49:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16EnCWn018758 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:49:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16En5PV019988; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:49:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16EmQAs043149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16EmNuf072100; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16EmK8J072029 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27502 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:18:40 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:18:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id k16EmK8J072029 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:49:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E761E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, [iso-8859-1] Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I have a distant memory of a discussion of "hauberject" or a similar word, > > on this list, years ago, and remember nothing of value and cannot find it > > in my notes. > > Yes, I have one post saved from 2004. I couldn't find anything in any of > the archives when searching for the word, but with the poster info I > found it: > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?l=hcos04&s=agnes%20gawne&Cmd=Match+6 > > I'm not sure if there was anything else in that discussion, but with the > date as a starting point it should be possible to find out. :) Yes indeed -- there are 15 posts with the subject line "Definition of HABERJECT" (though the first three appear to be unintentional repeats). You can find them starting with this search: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?FirstItem=0&s=Definition+of+HABERJECT&l=hcos04 Or just go to the main search form and put in that subject line or the word HABERJECT, and the year 2004: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/ All the hits will lead you to the same compilation file of one month's of posts, so you'll find the entire thread included here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos04/hcos03.cl The thread starts March 16. It's worth reading the whole thing, as I think the Spanish translation is a blind alley. That was exactly the right clue, Ingrid! And I did remember a mixup with that term and "habergeon." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 10:47:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16FlGgp019869 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:47:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Fl8HE010696; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16Fi9xT050145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16Fi0W4028360; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16Fhs5F028267 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 923CF2628BF for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:43:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:44:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E76F7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again, This is just a question i have for some of the members who makes or study 18th century embroideries. I have noticed that most of the french habits, are embroidered with 2 kinds of silk thread. The monofillament silk (reeled untwisted silk) for the motifs, and then that the stripes wich are made as borders are embroidered with a twisted silk. This makes sence to me, as the borders will be mostly worned out, and therefore have to be made with a stronger thread. Has any of you noticed this? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 10:52:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16FqCPa019963 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:52:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Fq5b0012811; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:52:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16FmU0n050815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16FmQYr033091; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16FmMhJ033014 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 75D55A502AE for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:52:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E770A5.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 days? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:13:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GDrYN020369 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:13:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GDkZT023581; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:13:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GCupJ055575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GCgK8060525; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16GCOCt060114 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8Q7LWAPVTGHS for (sender ); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGJQ7V6Y; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:12:00 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:11:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Message-ID: <20060206.101126.-1019877.1.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-37 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 13:6:197705676 X-MAIL-INFO: 1c38718838c9c86159c188c1e8e83c8505b9858969b92831181cd87ca8bc8c11956cf548d159b5a9c9381c087921796d01296d010c8d010cc81cc11509415d0d15e9e8e15d78e958d5a1e9b1192508b9087dbd0c4501088d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76I2LOZbqvYpdpl2548sO12nSgiVjofkNA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E775BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know how fast he can get things to Europe, but I have dealt with them by US mail and in person for many years. They carry good quality products and the management is extremely involved. I know they will make every effort to get your order to you as quickly as possible. Karen Seamstrix On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi, > Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from > him, Jas > Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. > Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in > cirka 14 > days? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:14:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GEnC7020383 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:14:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GEgat024425; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:14:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GDIZI055629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GD2uI060950; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GCmPJ060644 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F68yt-0005bQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:12:47 -0500 Message-ID: <25709050.1139242367017.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:12:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:14:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E775F2.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Bjarne. I'm not in Europe, but I've ordered from Jas Townsend in the past, particularly stockings and hat blanks. I ordered by telephone and found the company very helpful and accommodating. I also had a short deadline for the stockings etc., and they made my deadline easily. You'd probably have to pay extra shipping costs, but if they say they can meet your deadline I believe they will. You should phone them if possible, though, so you can talk to a person and discuss your needs. Of course I can't say if my experience is typical, but I can attest to their excellent service in that one experience. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Feb 6, 2006 10:48 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend > >Hi, >Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas >Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. >Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 >days? > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:32:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GWv1k020670 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:32:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GWncK000617; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:32:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GVhD0059154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GVYI3082252; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GVEH0081987 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CC5547FEB1 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:31:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c62b3a$c91434c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <25709050.1139242367017.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:31:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:32:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77A31.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Ruth and Anne, Thanks. Well yes, they promise to send quicly, ill pay 12 dollars for the posting, and then i could get it soon. I needed stockings, and i found some other goodies two. Thanks, and forgive me that i used the bandwidth for this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend > Hi, Bjarne. I'm not in Europe, but I've ordered from Jas Townsend in the > past, particularly stockings and hat blanks. I ordered by telephone and > found the company very helpful and accommodating. I also had a short > deadline for the stockings etc., and they made my deadline easily. You'd > probably have to pay extra shipping costs, but if they say they can meet > your deadline I believe they will. You should phone them if possible, > though, so you can talk to a person and discuss your needs. > > Of course I can't say if my experience is typical, but I can attest to > their excellent service in that one experience. > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >>Sent: Feb 6, 2006 10:48 AM >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend >> >>Hi, >>Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, >>Jas >>Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. >>Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 >>days? >> >>Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:36:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GaBS5020723 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:36:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Ga4f4006275; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:36:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GYpfD059748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GYoK3085986; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16GYjGY085868 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 18308 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 16:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 16:34:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163110.01d5f708@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:34:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises In-Reply-To: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:36:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77AF4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:44 06/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi again, >This is just a question i have for some of the members who makes or study >18th century embroideries. >I have noticed that most of the french habits, are embroidered with 2 kinds >of silk thread. The monofillament silk (reeled untwisted silk) for the >motifs, and then that the stripes wich are made as borders are embroidered >with a twisted silk. This makes sence to me, as the borders will be mostly >worned out, and therefore have to be made with a stronger thread. >Has any of you noticed this? > >Bjarne My waistcoat fragment, from about 1780, is embroidered with what I think is tambour stitching with a twisted thread, in pink and green mainly. If you go to my fotopic site http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c382113.html it forms the background for my fashion plates, and you can see it in some detail. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:40:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GeSo1020814 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:40:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GeLbD004308; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:40:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GdgWa060791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GdZH0091351; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16Gcv4P090533 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:39:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 79516 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 16:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 16:38:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163736.01d79b10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:38:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:40:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77BF5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne You could try Funn Stockings here in England. http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:53:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GrM7P021084 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:53:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GrEte010944; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GqX00063267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GqGXf005906; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:52:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav23.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GpttL005594 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:50:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:50:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:50:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 16:50:33.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[72685F40:01C62B3D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77EFA.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I might have a difficult time getting them here to Canada that fast. I would call them, or drop them a note to see if they could ship via a faster method. Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend > Hi, > Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, > Jas Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. > Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 > days? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 12:07:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16H7Dmm021288 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:07:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16H76PN018687; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:07:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16H0uPU065128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16H0o0a015157; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16H0UBA014741 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.288.5328d1f (16335) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <288.5328d1f.3118da9d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:00:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:07:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7823A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/5/2006 1:33:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: You would have to make many hoops for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. The best "looking" and best moving hoop skirts are the cage ones [as opposed to a "petticoat" ones] with lots of hoops. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 13:01:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16I1aw0022226 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:01:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16I1SRJ013919; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:01:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16Hx0OV075412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16HXqbB054357; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16HXL5u053717 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.124]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060206173311.NNYM8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:33:11 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060206102422.02628b20@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:32:58 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:01:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E78EF8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A quick search turned up an essay "A Scandinavian Hauberget?" by M. Nockert in: Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe: Essays in Memory of Professor E. M. Carus-Wilson, eds N.B. Harte and K.G. Ponting, 1983, Heinemann Educational Books Ltd, London. ISBN 0-435-32382-2. pp 100-107. In this she, describes it as a diamond (lozenge) 2/2 twill originally woven on warp-weighted looms... and references Carus-Wilson "Haberget: A medieval textile conundrum" originally published in Medieval Archaeology, but I cannot remember which book of mine reprints this. I remember the issue (and the related issue "pallia fresonica") discussed in other sources but they do not come to mind. If memory serves, this term was later applied to a coarse woolen twill used by poorer people and monks. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:20:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LKcsL025984 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:20:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LKU0Q017085; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:20:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LJXgt010236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LJQH9012295; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16JcXrc000260 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B43347FE47 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:38:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002101c62b54$f1344660$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163110.01d5f708@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:38:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:20:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BD9E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Yes i did know this, also because when you have to catch the thread with the needle, it has to be a strong thread, you can se the same in Costume in Detail. I should have ben more specific, i ment those embroidered with long and short stitch and satin stitches. Many of these has a stripe in the border of the front wich is not a tape, but actually embroidered and i have noticed that this stripe is made with twisted threads, while all the other embroidery is made of untwisted thread. Some coats and waistcoats also has a "stripe" embroidered in a sertain pattern and these also are made from twisted threads. You see the same in buttons, usually many of these is having a stripe embroidered in the edge, a cirkle wich also has twisted thread, but the main motif in the middle of the button is made of untwisted thread. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises > At 15:44 06/02/2006, you wrote: > >>Hi again, >>This is just a question i have for some of the members who makes or study >>18th century embroideries. >>I have noticed that most of the french habits, are embroidered with 2 >>kinds >>of silk thread. The monofillament silk (reeled untwisted silk) for the >>motifs, and then that the stripes wich are made as borders are embroidered >>with a twisted silk. This makes sence to me, as the borders will be mostly >>worned out, and therefore have to be made with a stronger thread. >>Has any of you noticed this? >> >>Bjarne > > > My waistcoat fragment, from about 1780, is embroidered with what I think > is tambour stitching with a twisted thread, in pink and green mainly. If > you go to my fotopic site http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c382113.html > it forms the background for my fashion plates, and you can see it in some > detail. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:22:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LM5Ja026007 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:22:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LLwkc009939; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:22:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LLcZb010565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LLbXQ014792; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16KZvhe061643 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.111.5b2ca317 (48576) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <111.5b2ca317.31190d21@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:35:45 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lecture at the Riversdale House Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:22:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BDF6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass Riversdale _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:24:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LOVu3026053 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:24:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LOOht018993; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:24:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LNnGJ010913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LNmPx017513; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LNhxq017299 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a8.47d6fb72 (16087) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R13 (fwm-r13.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.141]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed743e7be4c7e; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:23:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:23:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F97AB2CB047E-1738-A09F@FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602061544.k16FiUSB028916@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:23:24 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602061544.k16FiUSB028916@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.141 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:mending techniques X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BE88.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Complete Encyclopedia of Needlework by Therese de Dillmont http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0762413182/sr=1-1/qid=1139260769/ref=sr_1_1/103-0624918-7671817?%5Fencoding=UTF8 http://tinyurl.com/8hthw I just read the chapter on mending the other day! My completely unexpert opinion is that you would probably want to mend anything smaller than an inch or so and patch anything larger than that. Tea Rose ================================ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:32:04 -0400 From: "kelly grant" Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Very cool about the moths! my friend Griet would love to have had that happen to her clothing! I could see a mixture of repair styles done, as long as then were done cleanly, to the best of you ability. Mended clothes were a good think, as they were so expensive in the first place, not at all like today. Even just a few decades ago, a little thing like a hole in your tuxedo jacket went to the menders to be darned or rewoven. They would take a piece of matching cloth and fray the four edges so that you had a solid piece in the centre that was the size of the hole, and frayed thread ends to weave back into the cloth. Therese de Dillmont's book on hand work shows great examples of how to do this kind of mending. I can't exactly remember the title of the book, and it's at home...sorry. BTW, can I send you a riding habit to hang out in your attic for a while???;-> Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:28:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LSVEE026116 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:28:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LSO8H020831; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:28:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LS0bd011549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:28:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LRtHV022066; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LRpi1021887 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.279.45db66e (16112) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R13 (fwm-r13.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.141]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef043e7bf4d3bb; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F97B4C0424EE-1738-A102@FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602062118.k16LI7EP010734@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602062118.k16LI7EP010734@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.141 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: about jas townsend X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:28:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BF78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, Your Christmas present seemed to take about ten days to get from here to there, but that was regular first-class U.S. Mail. You could probably pay extra and have them ship it some other way. Tea Rose ================================================= Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend To: Message-ID: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 days? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:33:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LXXSl026216 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:33:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LXQ6h023168; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:33:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LX8Ax012185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LX5BU028112; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LX2nc027936 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21e.7957d71 (16111) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R13 (fwm-r13.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.141]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef43e7c0861d; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F97C061B2B9A-1738-A16C@FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602050310.k1539lFO051819@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602050310.k1539lFO051819@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.141 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: tricorn decoration (was another question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:33:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7C0A6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, could you put a cockade over the ends of your bobbin lace? http://www.jastown.com/hats/th-905a.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockade Tea Rose ================================================================ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:49:20 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] another question, To: Message-ID: <001d01c629c4$171e7a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sorry i keep you buisy. but i was thinking also about making the trimming for a tricorne. Make it in gold bobbin lace. I have some lovely thick gold gimp i could use. Does any of you have any good ideas i could do with the ends of the bobbin lace. I cant sew away all the threads so i get an invisible joint. What could i place at the joint to hide it? A button? Would it be two much to make a looped lace flower? Any idears would be greatfull apreciated! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 18:50:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16NoiJ3028832 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:50:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Nobkf016124; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:50:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16No0UD037042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16NnsAa083920; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16Nnot0083856 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so1472354wri for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:49:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qrQl1JE46V1YipGUQY9eHg9rh/qfRTQtE5w7ia5Hm+OVuK2AtCtSa1YRvrQUiuEpIq6GH2UU/xkqKM0MvvTFosuXmikQszqy1iijsSW/I9C2joqtLp34SlTlFflLs6/5UV0hG+AlgTzeBcS9gQ9XlqxlvIBcvkXd7DCyvWVJC5U= Received: by 10.64.88.10 with SMTP id l10mr165448qbb; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:49:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:49:49 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k16Nnot0083856 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the "Fram Oil Filter" hat & politics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:50:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7E0CD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cynthia V & other h-costumers: Thought you might enjoy this pic forwarded to me from a friend. It's very much like the "Fram Air Filter" hat seen in a Rogier van der Weyden's Madelena seen here: http://pintoresfamosos.juegofanatico.cl/images/van_der_weyden/magdalena.jpg Like the original sender, If find it amusing to compare the Madelena & the local mayorial candidates politicians. PS. for non-US folks, the "Fram" reference is to a car part formerly made in the US. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Hi guys... I know I've had a discussion about a weird period hat with some people, but I'm not sure which of you I've discussed it with (maybe someone else...). In any case, I thought you both might be interested. ... In today's Mercury News, there's a photo of two guys sucking up to the Vietnamese vote in San Jose, and they're wearing "traditional Vietnamese garb" -- including hats that look a _lot_ like the one I was mentioning above. They're out of some kind of brocade rather than the linen that the 15th c. one looks like it's made of, but... Here's a url for the story; the picture is part way down on the left side: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/elections/13802934. htm It just seemed to me that if one found out how the Vietnamese hats were done it might offer some ideas for the 15th c. ones, too. Hope this is of some use... If anyone knows an address for Cynthia du Pres Argent, she might be interested too. --Matt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 21:39:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172d8Vo031498 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:39:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172d1s8016507; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:39:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k172cOI0073438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172cGLg052815; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:38:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172cChJ052708 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b5.41da285 (4560) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:38:02 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2b5.41da285.3119620a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:38:02 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E80845.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry - completely forgot about farthingales (duh moment) (again) have used them in the past and were v good. for anyone in the UK, this is one of my suppliers for corsetry stuff (can order online, which I prefer) http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/ Debbie In a message dated 2/6/06 3:46:26 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' > >looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm > >happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures > >as close as they need to be to be sure. > >http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > > > >I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I > >can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who > >can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who > >may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 21:42:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172gCwv031546 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:42:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172g5iZ017771; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k172fZD4073730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172fYku055640; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172fV0e055486 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26e.552e87d (4560) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:41:20 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <26e.552e87d.311962cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:41:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:42:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E808FD.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Am in Europe (UK) and we've used them before - not for a few years, and we weren't in any hige hurry at the time, but they were very helpful (my boyfriend ordered by phone). This may be too late, but I'd suggest phoning them to make sure they know you're in a hurry, and that way, they can tell you whether they can get them to you in time. Debs In a message dated 2/6/06 9:20:15 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend > To: > Message-ID: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas > Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. > Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 > days? > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 09:37:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17EbS09008852 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:37:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17EbLBi009215; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:37:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17EaROT076195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17EaLPi096658; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17EaHsn096584 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 90301 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 14:36:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TQ++SuGBqLSiuyaVPjCVR+PtvjVvdH6s90mASevQSJDQs/BOWqAhX9mUwmZVKZydpdWOSjaWyP5QHVPKcyxbJC1KYJdtMQewGRhW3Z681ACcFZmB3wOkKq8MB0rffMCZES7DhWneaYUT/wbFBjMSLAHAxqTL9wFiBI6pLim1AJ0= ; Message-ID: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:36:16 GMT Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:36:16 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:37:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8B0A1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all I just discovered this http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/round/index.html on the V&A website: you basically get a 360 view of selected outfits and a wonderful idea of the overall shape and depth of the silhouettes. Hope you enjoy! Bjarne - there is very nice suit that reminded me of some of your creations there, so I thought it might be interesting to you too. HTH Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 10:16:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FG9GO010175 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:16:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FG2Ld030723; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FFI3n094450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FFFhn037275; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17FF9tK037166 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59686 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 15:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 15:15:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207150913.01db67c8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:13:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:16:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8B9B2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can share? I have checked out Ninya Mikhaila's great reproduction gloves, and found some by searching for "Glove Museum" and "Gloves in Museums", and also a great site by Francesca Havas. http://www.glove.org/ However, I am always looking for more research before starting a new job, so any help will be appreciated. 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Status: RO Thank you! I am glad you found my site. :) The gloves on the Worshipful glovers guild pages that are for James the 1st are the ones you want to look for. There are also a pair of Danish gloves that the link at the moment escapes me. I am currently in training here on Wall Street (the subway ride was so very cool!) and do not have access to my personal computer. It is back at the hotel. I think the link is there on that computer and will try to find it. The Danish pair are fabulous! I will find the link for you somehow. For now do a search for King James I gloves and that should pull up a lot of really beautiful glove images for you. I really want to make a few of those. They would be for non-sca purposes so no one would really ever see them. :( Chiara Francesca glove maker :) On Tue, February 7, 2006 9:13 am, Suzi Clarke said: > > Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can > share? I have checked out Ninya Mikhaila's great reproduction > gloves, > and found some by searching for "Glove Museum" and "Gloves in > Museums", and also a great site by Francesca Havas. > http://www.glove.org/ > > However, I am always looking for more research before starting a new > job, so any help will be appreciated. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 10:45:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FjRkJ011599 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:45:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FjLBw012951; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FiaNr001770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FiWvA067467; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FiRoi067286 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB446E49 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513C9413 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:44:21 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B07514EEA@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 Thread-Index: AcYr9XvnI0JKzdR5Qa69OHnn0JMvTQAB2HOg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 15:44:21.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CF1F980:01C62BFD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k17FiRoi067286 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:45:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C091.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi everyone, > I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when > I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of > fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they > fastened simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does > anyone know any web page or book or simply anything that > could help me? What period? I know one of my vintage 19cent petticoats is fastened with both a draw string and a button. The other two Victorian petticoats I have are fastened only with a draw string. I don't know of a general source that deals with the history of fastenings, but I wish/hope there is one... -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 10:54:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FsU3G012893 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:54:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FsNul017744; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:54:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FrmYd004113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Frirb077647; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172XFvR048376 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:33:17 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163736.01d79b10@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYrPt4NahBvolhDRQSvaw2nyUdUGwASdWYg Message-Id: <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:54:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C2B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Are they in London? I couldn't find any online catalog. If they are local we could pop in while I am there. Anne You could try Funn Stockings here in England. http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html Suzi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:01:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G1OS5014276 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:01:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G1HTJ021333; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:01:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FxLTF006355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FxG4e084061; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:59:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k176oAUO097497 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E71B36046 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:50:09 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] mending techniques Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:50:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060206055629.02250838@surewest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:01:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C44D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have seen my Grandmother darn holes that were 1 1/2" and once 2" but usually it was easier for her to match thread then to match a patch to the garment fabric, especially if it was a store bought garment. Just a little trivia. De -----Original Message----- I would recommend that any holes above 1/2-inch or so should be patched. Anything smaller could be darned fairly easily. And it goes without saying that you would make the repairs as unobtrusive as possible (which will be much easier than patching a cotton print dress since there is no matching of patterns to worry about, just matching the grain). Congratulations on your weight loss. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:03:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G3t2p014790 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:03:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G3m18022601; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:03:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G3Hjm007451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G3Cga088490; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17AqiJp099755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k17AlHFr021260 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 05:47:17 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:47:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E87BFA.90101@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:52:42 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] the "Fram Oil Filter" hat & politics References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C4E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cin wrote: > wearing "traditional Vietnamese garb" -- including hats that look a > _lot_ like the one I was mentioning above. They're > out of some kind of brocade rather than the linen that the 15th c. one > looks like it's made of, but... Here's a url for the story; the > picture is part way down on the left side: > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/elections/13802934. > htm Hey, that's great! I'd seen a hat not unlike this in a Smithsonian exhibit years ago -- it was brightly colored and black webbing (like an inkle loom band) wound around the head just like this. I vaguely recall it was Peruvian, but I could easily be mistaken. One of the interesting things about the Magdalen's hat is the motto on it; I don't think I've ever heard what it says, as it's barely legible in only a few reproductions. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent US postage with medieval images on it: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/1160846 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:04:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G4JjI014875 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:04:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G4Crx028221; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:04:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G3hMG007547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G3eXc089006; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17BEBuQ018383 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56837 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 11:14:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hp6wfD64qqKnfgEl/YUKKYkfbasFBPfnPZEhPXvtpN97w0i6FVyBVASQMVAAmqj7eyHPPeoacIRYnlqBXb8zMsyOoxpp4ofmghloHGYaDmRp0TKixc/HLqeiP85bX23GYJyOahINVOeYASiS7rNTdhTK9Hl8Dw+0XdvFAQkxQ7M= ; Message-ID: <20060207111406.56835.qmail@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:14:06 PST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] pants To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:04:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C4FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I mean the underwear type pants - wide and with lace, the rather shorter ones ( I've seen some with a below-knee length, but these eould be too long for me) Zuzana Wanda Pease wrote: Pants... You mean bloomers like they might have worn bicycling or underwear type pants? Wanda > -----Orig > > > Does anybody have a pattern for 19th century women's pants? Thanks > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:06:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G6RvV015296 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G6KPt023829; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G4BHp007646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G45C5089447; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17BLKtm024938 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54479 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 11:21:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YoNvR+tjBqHL/qFppfqJ8qUQgLp1wRFuTTO5bLmuh33+eJMvZ23Vjwvg1fP9C7AbcEPRBp8MuS2GejTUI+yaNyZEmg/J9DKAMb5banttV74cMQQ7BLtPwtmv9VDurhj68WdXYqS4ia77QWG/LWDhe805DmnpBy++mmQLRTQKqVg= ; Message-ID: <20060207112115.54477.qmail@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:21:15 PST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] period fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:06:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C57C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone, I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book or simply anything that could help me? Thanks a lot Zuzana --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Status: RO Hi, Well yes this was probably a good idea. Thanks for the idea. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: tricorn decoration (was another question) > Bjarne, could you put a cockade over the ends of your bobbin lace? > > http://www.jastown.com/hats/th-905a.htm > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockade > > > Tea Rose > ================================================================ > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:49:20 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] another question, > To: > Message-ID: <001d01c629c4$171e7a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sorry i keep you buisy. but i was thinking also about making the trimming > for a tricorne. Make it in gold bobbin lace. I have some lovely thick gold > gimp i could use. > Does any of you have any good ideas i could do with the ends of the bobbin > lace. I cant sew away all the threads so i get an invisible joint. What > could i place at the joint to hide it? A button? Would it be two much to > make a looped lace flower? > Any idears would be greatfull apreciated! > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:07:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G7ioD015475 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:07:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G7cev015170; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:07:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G7Mvb008267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G7LqX093410; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:07:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17EhbQc004099 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:43:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 33755 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 14:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 14:43:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207144111.01dbd8d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:41:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images In-Reply-To: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:07:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C5CA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:36 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi all >I just discovered this > >http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/round/index.html > >on the V&A website: you basically get a 360 view of >selected outfits and a wonderful idea of the overall >shape and depth of the silhouettes. Hope you enjoy! > >Bjarne - there is very nice suit that reminded me of >some of your creations there, so I thought it might be >interesting to you too. > >HTH > >Katherine > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright Great site - thanks Katherine! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:13:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GDUY0016566 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:13:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GDN1q027640; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:13:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G847U008387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G7wZs094157; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FI5i8040377 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24711.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.17]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 47B2547FEBD for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:18:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c62bf9$c124bfe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:18:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:13:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C723.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Katherine, Yes i discovered this yesterday, and it is lovely to see the costumes all way round. I also discovered that my computer suddently is able to se the french website that uses flash. It must be because the computer has updated itself! You do get some surprises some times........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images > Hi all > I just discovered this > > http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/round/index.html > > on the V&A website: you basically get a 360 view of > selected outfits and a wonderful idea of the overall > shape and depth of the silhouettes. Hope you enjoy! > > Bjarne - there is very nice suit that reminded me of > some of your creations there, so I thought it might be > interesting to you too. > > HTH > > Katherine > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new > Yahoo! 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Status: RO At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm > making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening > shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book > or simply anything that could help me? > > Thanks a lot > > Zuzana You need to be more specific. What time period are you asking about? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:19:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GJfvw017791 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:19:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GJYx4030741; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17GICc6010184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17GGZmk004378; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17GGLpR004034 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08143 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] the "Fram Oil Filter" hat & politics In-Reply-To: <43E87BFA.90101@thibault.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C896.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > One of the interesting things about the Magdalen's hat is the motto on > it; I don't think I've ever heard what it says, as it's barely legible > in only a few reproductions. It's much clearer in person, but it's in Hebrew, so I couldn't read it. (It's always possible that it was just Hebrew characters and not actual words, too.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:36:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Gafr9020721 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GaZVa008166; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Ga3Pr013748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17GZtsn027726; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17GZgOO027542 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22923 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 16:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 16:35:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207163154.01dc0dc0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:32:54 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century In-Reply-To: <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163736.01d79b10@127.0.0.1> <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:36:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8CC93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:33 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Are they in London? I couldn't find any online catalog. If they are local >we could pop in while I am there. Anne > > >You could try Funn Stockings here in England. > >http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html > >Suzi No sorry - they're in Sussex - a bit far for a bus journey. They don't do a catalogue online as far as I know, but I have a paper list they sent me somewhere. 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO did you try going to http://images.vam.ac.uk and searching for gloves? That's the V&A image site Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 12:48:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HmWRD001187 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:48:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HmPnL017350; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:48:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Hln8A027054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HklvH003243; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HkU1e002780 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.13e.241f450c (58550) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:46:15 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 12:57:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Hvb3I001965 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:57:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HvU9J022354; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:57:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17HuilM028428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Hubuu012566; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:56:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HuWox012481 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t16so925798wxc for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:56:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hCnXf7MxK72+XD+Fzo28cG+l4cdXLwfrTzqjPe+9m9Y6paRkXhRr58/WUL6DnN1C0Dpj84AgxUQwVLGpzGf6q7DSpeozSswmajc/M4SvpvuYP2Er7pC57jZYCOlsc7+onlvaVFcWTAsBHgxjYd6ng9hL+SPgBcerxkc7ZY1GOEM= Received: by 10.70.19.6 with SMTP id 6mr7881998wxs; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:56:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0602070956v1b2c476aic428b74270ffd19a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:56:32 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c stays In-Reply-To: <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200602011400.k11E0GaM009498@net.indra.com> <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8DF8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k17Hvb3I001965 Status: RO Mia, Thank you for the deep breath! I think I'll start with the plastic wire ties, since I was able to get them at Home Depot a few minutes away from my office. That should get me started, and then we'll see where I go from there. I'm really doing this for my own pleasure. I don't have any friends who are into re-enacting or costuming... so I'm a bit of an oddity within my circle of friends. I'm a bit of an oddity anyway :) I finally got the skirt sewn onto the bodice over the weekend. Now I'm working on sewing hooks and eyes to the bodice. I've decided that this is my learning gown... I'm getting it done so that I can figure out what's wrong with it. I can already see that the sleeves are not nearly tight enough... and I gather that there generally weren't side seams in the bodice, but that they were a bit further back, behind the arm. I haven't sewn much of anything in such a long time, that I'm really enjoying myself! I'm in the Philadelphia area (just outside the city limits). Kristin On 2/2/06, Mia Dappert wrote: > > Hey Kristin, > > First, take a deep breath, Then decide what direction you want, or even > think you might want to go in. This will help you make your boning and > pattern decisions. > > Just for the pleasure of doing it? Only wearing it once a year, indoors > in air conditioning? Don't need much support? Plastic boning is probably > OK, > Wearing it all day, all weekend at a reenactment? Working and bending in > it doing laundry at a museum site? A little more bosom to support? All > your friends are hyper authenic? Different choices. > > I saw you are in PA. Where? Some of the 18 cent reenactor folks run > workshops in that NY/PA/MD area. Being in NC, I'm too far away to take > advantage of them, but they might fit your ticket. > > Your e-friend MIa in Far off Charlotte, NC > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 12:58:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HwaU0001983 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:58:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HwTGa019618; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:58:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17HlnIw027055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HkTGU002900; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17Hk6JB002445 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58976 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 17:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 17:46:05 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207174329.01dc04f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:43:58 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 17:32 07/02/2006, you wrote: >did you try going to >http://images.vam.ac.uk >and searching for gloves? That's the V&A image site I'd been to a different part of the V and A web site. Thanks for this. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 13:38:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17IcGJ3002850 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:38:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Ic7hc010397; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Ias9W034200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17IaBfB047528; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17IZwbv047209 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE84DA225C for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:35:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E8E8B4.8080009@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:36:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can > share? The Boston MFA has quite a few in their collection, with nice pictures on their website. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 14:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17JXA4q004049 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:33:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17JX3SG004786; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17JWNij043521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17JWIWX000891; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:32:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17JWEZh000734 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91135 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 19:32:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zTBvIOTUNGJUwQvSCVX48yrQz2+wk07apiIukJ4o4/8AJcRDNrkmC71PcnmCd7k+J5bFv76AndkDceIOYu5Fjm2o6qe5Y6U45VGqo/FpwBt3gI+dXznl0Ko+/YTWBiGS9eJw6T8p7EjVbYcrP4LYLl7YGE7vnfa3KDvpscrpCz8= ; Message-ID: <20060207193209.91133.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:32:09 PST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060207081202.0230d6e0@surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8F5EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but just now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm > making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening > shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book > or simply anything that could help me? > > Thanks a lot > > Zuzana You need to be more specific. What time period are you asking about? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 15:44:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Ki1tQ006650 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:44:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17KhsVn009412; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17KeqXw057955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:43:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17IUJI5042488; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:30:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17ITxd9042158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k17ITppA025950 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:29:54 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:29:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57899.64.156.242.51.1139336994.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0602070956v1b2c476aic428b74270ffd19a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602011400.k11E0GaM009498@net.indra.com> <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33a78bfb0602070956v1b2c476aic428b74270ffd19a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:29:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:43:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9068A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm in the Philadelphia area (just outside the city limits). Wow, you are right in the thick of a lot of resources! Beth Rump, I think she's with the Chadds Ford museum, sponsored a workshop. Deb Peterson of Past Masters has run stays workshops. Last year there was a "ladies only" event at Brandywine, and I think they will do it again this year. All the details can be found in the archives of 18cWoman, which is a Yahoo group. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:02:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L2sxN007017 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:02:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L2lfK019747; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L1rpc061741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L1cgm093241; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L0gDl092148 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA6D01C4; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:00:29 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 16:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:02:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:02:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E90AF7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Also, Piecework did a fine article on 16th C embroideries last year. Gloves from QE2 inventory were part of the presentation. I will look this up later.. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types > of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:06:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6WlA007094 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6PQV021788; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L68H6062408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L66ik097733; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17JtIaa024185 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2477c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.124]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 531DB262881 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:55:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002f01c62c20$6f994890$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:55:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:06:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E90BD1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, i did actually email them, and they answered me allready today. They told me that their silk stockings in white are sheer, so i would not want those. But their cotton stockings are used by many reenactors, they told me. I also could do as Kensington Pallace' exhibition about court costumes learned me, that gentlemen wore cotton stockings first and then a pair of silk stockings on top of the cotton ones, so as to hide all the bad hairs. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century > Are they in London? I couldn't find any online catalog. If they are > local > we could pop in while I am there. Anne > > > You could try Funn Stockings here in England. > > http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html > > Suzi > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:06:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6R3L007087 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6L51021526; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L63QJ062387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L62pN097675; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17L5u64097528 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 98609 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 20:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 20:59:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207205503.01d63930@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:56:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO t 17:46 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types >of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? Oh, I have so many books I forgot I had that - thanks for reminding me. That's what comes of working on one job while thinking of the next but three! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:07:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L75uM007108 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:07:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6wsc002202; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:07:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L5per062345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L5pW9097474; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17JrXgU022233 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62638 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 19:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 19:53:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:51:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 15:33 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Thank you! I am glad you found my site. :) > >The gloves on the Worshipful glovers guild pages that are for James >the 1st are the ones you want to look for. There are also a pair of >Danish gloves that the link at the moment escapes me. > >I am currently in training here on Wall Street (the subway ride was >so very cool!) and do not have access to my personal computer. It is >back at the hotel. I think the link is there on that computer and >will try to find it. > >The Danish pair are fabulous! I will find the link for you somehow. > >For now do a search for King James I gloves and that should pull up >a lot of really beautiful glove images for you. I really want to >make a few of those. They would be for non-sca purposes so no one >would really ever see them. :( > >Chiara Francesca >glove maker :) Francesca Thank you - I would really appreciate the link if you can find it - I have a month for research before I need to start. I went to an exhibition put on by the Worshipful Glovers, and must try to find the leaflet. However I am getting a very odd site from the address www.glovers.com Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:09:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L94TS007156 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:09:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L8wAo022915; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:09:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L71C6062563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L6tpC098550; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L1KXu092806 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA990340; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:01:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 16:01:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c62c29$e3fb0d00$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO How about QE1 !! KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types > of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:10:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LASDD007196 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LAM6E024556; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L4geL062157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L4cgI096203; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17JTA5w097586 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47552 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 19:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 19:29:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207192547.01d65d00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:27:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 18:36 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote: > >>Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can share? > >The Boston MFA has quite a few in their collection, with nice >pictures on their website. > > >Dawn Thank you. All too complicated and expensive to copy, I fear. Most customers can't afford to pay for the time to do the embroidery. Pity! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:14:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LEkKD007324 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:14:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LEd5G025695; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:14:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L93xM062898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L8x5o000900; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:08:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L8ttN000673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6a4b-00056a-8w; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:08:29 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:08:29 -0600 Message-ID: <20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:08:29 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > Also, Piecework did a fine article on 16th C embroideries last year. Gloves > from QE2 inventory were part of the presentation. I will look this up > later.. oooh. I must have missed that issue somehow. Which one was it? Thanks, Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:20:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LKcli007426 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:20:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LKVom028542; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:20:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17LK77X064774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LJsQX011748; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LJkbG011476 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD2602E8; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:12:06 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 16:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <007301c62c2b$68f154a0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:55 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More eye candy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:20:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E90F1F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k17LKcli007426 Status: RO My book find of the week is "What Dolls Wore Before" by Florence Theriault. She covers the years 1850-1925 in this volume of luscious real photos of doll costumes. For those of you who have children for whom you do h-costume, this book provides designs and fabric and trim that has been difficult to pin down (well, so to speak,) before. Many of the dolls clothes were also what children were wearing in this period. Next to the Kyoto volume that sparked our imaginations, this book will certainly sit in ready reach for ideas on how to do a more credible rendering. Kathleen, who found this at the Amazon site... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:13:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MDiYh008771 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:13:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MDcNQ021103; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MChVN074221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17MBdfN065085; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17MBBDD064596 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.108.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.108] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6b3C-0004kJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: <43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:10:17 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair of gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:48:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MmW0l009451 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:48:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MmQNc004580; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:48:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Mf6pR079261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LqAIE046688; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LpbVq046146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17LpVPA053248 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:51:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 66.9.89.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:51:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <29462.66.9.89.66.1139349091.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1> References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207150913.01db67c8@127.0.0.1> <55190.66.9.89.66.1139326409.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:51:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Yes the domain name got purchased from under them. The link in my links section was from archive.org since it was still up for a long time. Try it that way. There is a huge amount of gloves from the 17th century that can be found everywhere. There are few online museums that even let you zoom in close. It may be late tonight before I can get the links for you. Chiara On Tue, February 7, 2006 1:51 pm, Suzi Clarke said: > At 15:33 07/02/2006, you wrote: > Francesca > > Thank you - I would really appreciate the link if you can find it - > I > have a month for research before I need to start. I went to an > exhibition put on by the Worshipful Glovers, and must try to find > the > leaflet. However I am getting a very odd site from the address > www.glovers.com > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:49:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Mn3de009457 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:49:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MmuGp022826; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MmNd5080685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mm9PH001699; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mm0El001509 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.a1.6fe35eb0 (2612) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:47:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2006 4:05:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: All too complicated and expensive to copy, I fear. What about the Spanish ones that seemed to just be decorated with ribbon loops and metallic lace? #38.135a I saw a pair faked for film made of bought leather work gloves with a cuff added made of a brocade enhanced with a little seed pearl embroidery, some bullion and spangles and lace. Just enough hand work to make the things look worked to death when mixed with the brocade. Looked great. I loved the knitted ones supposed worn by Cardinal Richelieu. I loved the iconography embroidered on just the top of the hand of the left glove. A great detail to use on a costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:58:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MwQLs009644 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:58:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MwJnv008696; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MuWWO082219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17MuHG6010067; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mu6hJ009768 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a2.44a20d25 (2612) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.44a20d25.311a7f79@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:55:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2006 5:51:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: What about the Spanish ones that seemed to just be decorated with ribbon loops and metallic lace? #38.135a loved the knitted ones supposed worn by Cardinal Richelieu. I loved the iconography embroidered on just the top of the hand of the left glove. A great detail to use on a costume. I was looking at the MFA in Boston site, BTW....thought I'd mention that. :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:02:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17N2LPt009719 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:02:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17N2F0t010491; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:02:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MuNrF082195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mu34q009815; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17MtmKK009547 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68084 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 22:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 22:55:45 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:53:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: >There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair >of gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). > >Melanie Schuessler As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least I have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:11:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NBp7j009874 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:11:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NBial014296; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NAtEh084789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NAZrU025376; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NAUST025207 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f553b.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.59]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 91FCAA50051 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:10:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004101c62c3b$aee825a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras><20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com><43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:10:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:11:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E92930.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Yes i say the same of Denmark. But i have heard so many good things about this. Perhaps it is possible to subscribe it like i do for the austrailian Inspirations Magazine? Bjarne Where was it you could se the danish pair of 17th century gloves? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: >>There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair of >>gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). >> >>Melanie Schuessler > > > As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least I > have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NEG5n009931 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:14:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NE937015183; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:14:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NDWpN085892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NDQ0j028975; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17NDLJp028832 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86679 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 23:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 23:13:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207231017.01d54aa0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:11:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 21:51 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Yes the domain name got purchased from under them. > >The link in my links section was from archive.org since it was still >up for a long time. Try it that way. > >There is a huge amount of gloves from the 17th century that can be >found everywhere. There are few online museums that even let you >zoom in close. > >It may be late tonight before I can get the links for you. > >Chiara like I said, I have a while before I have to actually make these, so there is no rush. Found this great site while looking around. http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/narrative.php?irn=237&himage=9&themeback=10&CostumeTheme=#image Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:16:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NGvAs009974 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:16:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NGpDT016298; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NFnoV086347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NFfMl031315; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav3.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NFYuX031174 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:15:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.238.214.97 by BAY108-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:15:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.238.214.97] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:15:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 23:15:32.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[6477A3A0:01C62C3C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] drawers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:16:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E92A63.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k17NGvAs009974 Status: RO >I mean the underwear type pants - wide and with lace, >the rather shorter ones ( I've seen some with a below->knee length, but these eould be too long for me) and >I've just come to a question about period fastenings - >when I'm making period costumes, I often never know >what type of fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - >were they fastened simply with a ribbon or a button or >what? Does anyone know any web page or book or >simply anything that could help me? > Zuzana I believe you're looking for drawers; there are free directions for drafting a custom pattern for mid-19th century drawers at : www.elizabethstewartclark.com I have used these directions for ladies of a variety of sizes and shapes and found it to work quite well. If you poke around the site a bit, you will also find advice on other mid-19th century undergarments. Regards, Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:49:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NnWbX010565 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:49:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NnP2w028049; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:49:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Nn60O091980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Nn3tN062476; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Nn0Sq062395 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1357516wra for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:48:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=NquPa6BqKbz7k9n2Q78AAZ4AMTZuX5wXbR/ZdQBf/sna4C1RrMJ+6oPRVfoChZJeamwW8Uo/PVyMHatLqWs9Dxw9KJ4ojq68G6zq2d8oQ+zEjZfq9RQ+tbVf/oTuSvB3UEcsFBxAKrpCKrAAlLpbBEr83egoCromMsgvBxeB6PU= Received: by 10.64.193.3 with SMTP id q3mr973578qbf; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e11sm98375qbc.2006.02.07.15.48.54; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:48:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <010401c62c41$110a6c70$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207193209.91133.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:49:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93205.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but just > now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) Petticoats for 13th-15th century? I thought it was all one-piece garments up to the 16th C or so? In any case, for the late Middle-Ages, I'd say lacings mostly, and some buttons maybe. But that's an awful long period to cover, and you don't say where, so it's a little hard to be more specific. > > Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, you > wrote: >>Hi everyone, >> I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm >> making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening >> shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with >> a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book >> or simply anything that could help me? >> >> Thanks a lot >> >> Zuzana > > You need to be more specific. 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Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:54:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Nss50010637 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:54:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Nsl7F029968; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NrUgn092799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NrT1f066728; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NrP4H066633 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i22so1389568wra for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:53:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=WQNaeJ8e3Y5quQE5S0cr2l1TiF8mkzFlHt91ueaIjK9ujmhAPvQytCSr4QDnp84sn+IlHN/n92C7sAlmYUZ/xgqs69r/AeU+icoe5DdYet7I0RJ2g1PdJRgRsAt1KmhA87TNnnfyEmKxa86zmKFJyvfHmfyTxOLkgOCVi+mb+yE= Received: by 10.65.138.17 with SMTP id q17mr930076qbn; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f14sm653494qba.2006.02.07.15.53.22; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:53:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <012101c62c41$b0bc1390$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] drawers Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:53:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:54:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93347.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>I mean the underwear type pants - wide and with lace, >>the rather shorter ones ( I've seen some >> with a below->knee length, but these eould be too long for me) >> Zuzana >I believe you're looking for drawers; there are free directions for >drafting a custom > pattern for mid-19th century drawers at : www.elizabethstewartclark.com Unless you're looking for medieval drawers (weren't you the one who posted a question about fastenings too? -- unless they're totally unrelated questions). In any case, I don't think we can prove the existence of drawers as a standard undergarment before the 1800s, even if they existed (seemed to be a sort of curiosity then, except perhaps in Italy) in the late 1500s. And there's a strong case against their existence in the Middle Ages. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:20:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180KRh0011049 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:20:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180KJvi006624; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180J2GH097295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:19:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180Iwq6092523; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180Ir8M092393 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:18:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A8E60340; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:18:46 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 19:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c62c45$7d3308e0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras><20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com><43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO The text for this article is built on items of the Burrell Collection, Glascow, Scotland. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: > >There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair > >of gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). > > > >Melanie Schuessler > > > As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least > I have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:27:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180Rdtl011180 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:27:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180RW3R009703; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180Qpaf098556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180QoZ0000445; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:26:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180QkBX000342 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B06A296A for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:26:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E93AF0.2040500@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:27:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:27:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93AF4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This commercial was a scream! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186888463242782209 I love the sleeves on the lettuce costume, and the tomato hat is to die for! Dawn ps: the rest of the superbowl commercials are here: http://video.google.com/superbowl.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:33:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180XiW1011289 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:33:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180XcBF012304; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:33:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180XKcA099475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180XIAS006334; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180XEpE006256 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F6dGi3RGW-0002w2; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c62c47$40668ac0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207144111.01dbd8d0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:33:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:33:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93C62.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Katherine, I can view the images. The website states that you need to have Apple QuickTime. I guess because I am not using a Mac it won't show up. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:37:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180bQSb011361 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180bKxl013883; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180asfA099903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180asRe009681; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180apIB009559 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD1C01BC; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:36:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 19:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c62c47$ffea8ea0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Piecework X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:37:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93D40.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k180bQSb011361 Status: RO I discovered this magazine in the mid 1990s, They are doing for the needle arts what we of h-costume hope we are doing for fashion and textile arts. Every issue deals by history or handiwork what is being passed down or rediscovered by folk such as we are or hope to be. >From time to time I have passed on to the list current articles that by serendipity or from my own interest, that seem to deal with topics of interest to H-costume. Whether it be 'nal binding', blackwork, the language of clothing,or maybe "Taste, Art, and Design in Great Britain from 1500 to 1900", or other topics dealing with piecework from the far distant or near remembrances of past present, this one publication helps to keep me not only informed but inspired to learn past and new ways of manipulating the textiles I love. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:40:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180e1r1011398 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:40:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180dsaG014890; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180YWqX099585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180YVoQ007372; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180YRHU007239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:34:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6dHY-0008VQ-UB; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:34:05 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:34:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20060207183404.jkiuuj285e88gkk0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:34:04 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, I've been drooling there for *far* too long. Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted gloves *before* 1600? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:42:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180gLaM011437 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:42:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180gFFd015859; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180fvCl001141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180fqou014558; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180fns7014501 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F6dP12S7K-0008Px; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:41:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c62c48$733728a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43E93AF0.2040500@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:42:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93E67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k180gLaM011437 Status: RO Dawn, My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King that I would like. During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school and one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not to complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion World, "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this ad looks very Busby Berkley-ish. My favorite was the onion costume. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 20:38:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181cWUF012433 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:38:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181cP3O003910; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:38:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181ba7K010545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181bTMk065358; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181bPop065312 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C670338AB for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:25 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006501c62c48$733728a0$6400a8c0@Penny> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:38:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E94B91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King character creeps me out. De Former McDonald's crew. -----Original Message----- Dawn, My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King that I would like. During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school and one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not to complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion World, "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this ad looks very Busby Berkley-ish. My favorite was the onion costume. Penny E. Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 20:48:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181mlhA012626 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181meU1007825; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181mPCU011655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181mN3B073847; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181mJRl073708 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060208014818.MHMO29285.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:18 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207163154.01dc0dc0@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYsBP6fjxRQUXh8R1uAEN1YlLqdDQATJSow Message-Id: <20060208014818.MHMO29285.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:48:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E94DF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK. I can look at it when I am there. See you soon, Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century >No sorry - they're in Sussex - a bit far for a bus journey. They >don't do a catalogue online as far as I know, but I have a paper list >they sent me somewhere. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 20:52:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181qet0012841 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:52:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181qYgg009418; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:52:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181qKvg011993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181qKkF077060; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181qFYM076938 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:52:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k181q9001805 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:52:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6CCA4880-7850-4CC4-8327-CCBC802B8426@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:52:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:52:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E94EE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That's our name for the character, "That Creepy Plastic Guy" But I have to admit to loving the commercial with the King and Darth Vader. :D Althea On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:37 PM, otsisto wrote: > Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King > character creeps > me out. > De > Former McDonald's crew. > > -----Original Message----- > Dawn, > > My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger > King that > I would like. > > During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high > school and > one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order > Whoppers. > When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we > were not to > complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion > World, > "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... > this ad > looks very Busby Berkley-ish. > > My favorite was the onion costume. > > Penny E. Ladnier > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:00:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1820Yox013193 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:00:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1820ROL012184; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:00:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181vcfr012504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:57:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181vaJP081272; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181vWee081213 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EED71338A7 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:31 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <010401c62c41$110a6c70$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:00:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E950BB.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is indication in some "Italian" portraits of the possibility of petticoats in the late 1400s. The counter argument is that the bodice and skirt are two different materials but sewn together. I am sure there are more theories out there. As for closures, there is the possibility of hook and eye but being that most garments had a tendency to be made to fit most people (hand-me-downs), I would think that the drawstring waist band would be the most common form of closure for the petticoat/underskirt. I am going under the assumption that it is the under skirts that are being asked about as I vague remember that petticoat has changed in item identification over the years. De (been sick so a bit fogged brain) -----Original Message----- > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but just > now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) Petticoats for 13th-15th century? I thought it was all one-piece garments up to the 16th C or so? In any case, for the late Middle-Ages, I'd say lacings mostly, and some buttons maybe. But that's an awful long period to cover, and you don't say where, so it's a little hard to be more specific. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:24:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182OsME013975 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:24:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182Ol7H020379; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:24:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k182OTdw015225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182ORgl002598; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182OMsk002437 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84A3A296B for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:24:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E95680.5050101@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:25:04 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, > I've been drooling there for *far* too long. > > Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted > gloves *before* 1600? > There is a pair of knitted ecclesiastical gloves in the MFA collection that are labelled "16th century". (item #38.1339a/b) That would put them in the 1500's...unfortunately further information is not displayed with the item. 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Status: RO No no, Quicktime is free, like Acrobat Reader or Real Player. You can get it here. (BTW, you don't need to put in your email on the download site before downloading.) http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images > Katherine, > > I can view the images. The website states that you need to have Apple > QuickTime. I guess because I am not using a Mac it won't show up. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:47:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182lwrb014300 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:47:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182lqro027838; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k182lJtD017432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182lH5H019615; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182lERr019574 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m234.in-tch.com [216.166.191.234]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k182cnA09317 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <008401c62c5a$f48b81a0$eabfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060207150913.01db67c8@127.0.0.1><55190.66.9.89.66.1139326409.squirrel@webmail.io.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1><29462.66.9.89.66.1139349091.squirrel@webmail.io.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060207231017.01d54aa0@127.0.0.1> <20060207183404.jkiuuj285e88gkk0@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Yes. --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > > OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, > I've been drooling there for *far* too long. > > Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted > gloves *before* 1600? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:58:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182wrFK014496 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:58:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182wklE031311; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k182vwOR018718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182vsdo028043; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182vo7m027995 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m234.in-tch.com [216.166.191.234]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k182nPA11726 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:49:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <009701c62c5c$6fd23ba0$eabfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras><20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com><43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net><6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> <004101c62c3b$aee825a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO It is available by subscription, although I don't know if they ship outside the US/Canada. At any rate, the publishers have a website, which I'm noting below: http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/subscriptions/subscripti ons.asp --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Hi Suzi, > Yes i say the same of Denmark. But i have heard so many good things about > this. Perhaps it is possible to subscribe it like i do for the austrailian > Inspirations Magazine? > > Bjarne > > Where was it you could se the danish pair of 17th century gloves? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > > > > At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: > >>There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair of > >>gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). > >> > >>Melanie Schuessler > > > > > > As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least I > > have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? > > > > Suzi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 22:37:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k183b7RR015329 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:37:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k183auSu011098; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k183a9Xk023241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:36:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k183a67g056917; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k183a2g0056850 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from n.mm@gte.net) Received: from POGO.gte.net ([71.111.126.85]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUC005FHEZMULM1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:35:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:35:49 -0800 From: Nancy Millis-MacHaffie In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: res04vv9@incoming.verizon.net (Unverified) To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.1.20060207163332.02a77ec0@incoming.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> <006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras> <20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com> <43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Piecework Magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:37:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E96758.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi and others... American Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006KSSX/qid%3D1139358772/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr_11_1/103-9265195-6475826 From the Piecework Website http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/default.asp I'm sure they will be happy to sell you back issues. :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 23:12:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184C6w7016004 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:12:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184BxNf022087; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k184BHTQ026731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184BDCl082729; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184B9B4082684 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.108.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.108] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6b7u-0006Wb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <43E929FA.80500@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:15:06 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings References: <20060207193209.91133.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:12:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E96F8F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm a little confused. I didn't know anyone was wearing anything like petticoats in 13th-15th c. Europe. Are you looking at a different place? Or did I misunderstand your question? Type of fastening will depend on what garment, when, where, worn by whom, made of what, etc. There's not really an easy answer. Melanie Schuessler Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but > just now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) > > Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, > you wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I've just come to a question about period fastenings - >> when I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of >> fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened >> simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web >> page or book or simply anything that could help me? >> >> Thanks a lot >> >> Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 23:16:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184GGPt016088 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:16:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184G9t0023313; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k184FT9O027188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184FTGl085959; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184FP21085833 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.50.172.41]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060208041520.PCF16677.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:12:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:16:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E97089.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello everyone! I'm forwarding this on behalf of someone on another list; I figured folks here would have an idea or two. :-) ------------------------------ Snip to relevent question: > On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short sword for the enjoyment of their young son. (Safe - as in will not puncture or perforate another person, causing welts upon older brother is considered acceptable use) They do not want the cheap plastic junk found at halloween. I vaguely remember someone posting on a forum about a rubber dagger, seems to me it was made out of a similar material to that of hockey pucks. But unfortunately I cannot seem to find where I saw it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please let me know. ------------------------------ Thanks in advance! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 01:10:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186AnBv017815 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:10:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186AhEH026550; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:10:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1867pCf038463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:07:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1867dc3070360; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1867ZZ4070218 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id EF6123F16 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:07:30 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1139378849805; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:07:29 -1000 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:07:29 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO There are quite a few pictures of both women's and men's gloves in The Visual History of Costume Accessories by Valerie Cumming, but alas, they're all in black and white. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 01:13:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186CvsO017852 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:12:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186CpRp001423; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1869jje038728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1869i0A072627; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1869e9Q072529 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA0F3CC303C8; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:05:03 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:09:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c62c76$442f4730$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Try costume stores, they often carry "props" for various costumes. Also, if you don't mind a longer sword, I got my son a wooden practice sword that they sell for martial arts. It cost about $8.00. Very nice. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Shane & Sheridan Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword Hello everyone! I'm forwarding this on behalf of someone on another list; I figured folks here would have an idea or two. :-) ------------------------------ Snip to relevent question: > On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short sword for the enjoyment of their young son. (Safe - as in will not puncture or perforate another person, causing welts upon older brother is considered acceptable use) They do not want the cheap plastic junk found at halloween. I vaguely remember someone posting on a forum about a rubber dagger, seems to me it was made out of a similar material to that of hockey pucks. But unfortunately I cannot seem to find where I saw it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please let me know. ------------------------------ Thanks in advance! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 03:34:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k188Xx0E009520 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k188Xq6p006807; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:33:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k188VQAJ054510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k188VK3u080791; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k188VFvx080694 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 1860 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 08:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 08:31:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:29:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 03:04 08/02/2006, you wrote: >It is available by subscription, although I don't know if they ship outside >the US/Canada. At any rate, the publishers have a website, which I'm noting >below: >http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/subscriptions/subscripti >ons.asp >--Sue Thanks - I have written for information. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/06 2:41:30 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > >>a ribbon or a button or what? Question - what do you actually mean by petticoat?? If you mean an underdress (aka chemise or shift), then they were loose enough not to need fastenings - the only class distinction would be in the quality of the fabric. (I asked the question because I've never known it to be called a petticoat during the earlier periods.) If you mean the waistcoat-like garment often used to hold up hosen, then points (individual ties, rather than one long lace). Hope that's of help, but more clarification would mean I could give more info. 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Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, > I've been drooling there for *far* too long. > > Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted > gloves *before* 1600? There's a pair of red knitted silk and metal thread 15th-century pontifical gloves and one silk and metal knitted 13th-century archbishop's glove in Textile Conservation and Research by Mechtild Flury-Lemberg. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:03:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18D3U5q025625 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:03:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18D3OPP028500; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:03:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Cw1UA090658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Cw1Tc095674; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Cv30L094873 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1d7.4e0f2558 (18707) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:56:51 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.4e0f2558.311b4493@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:56:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: period fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:03:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9EC1C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/06 2:41:30 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > >>a ribbon or a button or what? PS to what I just said - you did give some awfully wide apart dates - in that time the shape of the chemise wouldn't change all that much, but the waistcoat-like garment would only be worn really more towards the end of it, and then not always, as the doublet was often used to hold up the hosen. D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:19:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DJKUg026029 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:19:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DJD30002631; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DH3Cc092305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DH2h0010069; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k183lY8u065431 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8302FA296B for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:47:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E969FE.6000107@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:48:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:19:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9EFD1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover edition) "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's already backstitched... does it? Can anyone clarify this for me? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:20:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKZrK026058 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKTIc021806; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DJdkp092649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DJd8M012258; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k185QsdB038443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-198-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.198]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k185QqIc024300 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:26:53 +1100 Message-ID: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:26:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:20:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F01D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they have a new historic costume pattern, http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a bit like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they do already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s outfits. Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this is and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't look too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:20:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKh88026063 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKaYX027271; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DKNm4092869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DKNab013121; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k189apeW031274 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 02:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 76761 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 09:36:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q4Y1CmAonrvYeEfZlvH0/fGzPM+Zlwu2oT6GQgn3iAxJEWIItqmo+kJCpVJrS8/rbEgm+S0t2rwArL/swFW/3RZNpYxh6repFGn4lyEJdV1n0zZR5NBNxeWTcZIL0P1RCehvnRKKDReJPZUyEF3ZmXO84eULp3goOkGObML5Jkw= ; Message-ID: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:36:49 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:36:49 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F024.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone! I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who think they have more of a clue than "north european, possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer queries on them. More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The construction is well illustrated by the photos as is the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from light and other clothes in an acid-neutral environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by India but I couldn't tell you why... http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you can help :-) Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:39:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DdGvB026440 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:39:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DdAtW010787; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Dcdfs094711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DcbhI027199; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:38:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DcYbI027106 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:38:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:38:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:38:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 13:38:28.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[F174B1D0:01C62CB4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:39:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F47E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The waistcoat looks late 18th Century to me. the vibrant colours were popular then too, and if pack away from light for the last couple of hundred years, would retain it's colour. It looks in fabulous condition! I would lightly vacum it, with a low power vacume like ones used in museums, but that's all before packing it away properly. "cleaning" often confuses people into washing it in water, which might damage the garment. No matter the condition, it shouldn't be worn any more. At the end of the 18th Century, fashions were becomming inspired by the near east. Archeaoligical digs in Egypt and expansion into the Medeterrianian and Eastward by England were influencing a new Classical era. That may be why you feel it's inspired by India. Looks yummy! Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice > Hi everyone! > > I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old > tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who > think they have more of a clue than "north european, > possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer > queries on them. > > More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite > embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early > 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The > construction is well illustrated by the photos as is > the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've > suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from > light and other clothes in an acid-neutral > environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's > costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by > India but I couldn't tell you why... > > http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ > > They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you > can help :-) > > Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos - NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a > photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:42:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DgdUo026496 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:42:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DgXc6012233; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DftsE095072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Dft7T029792; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18DfqHH029752 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25203 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208133359.01dc3930@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:37:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? In-Reply-To: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:42:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F549.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:26 08/02/2006, you wrote: >I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for >submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they have >a new historic costume pattern, >http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or >natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of >the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a bit >like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they do >already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on >stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s >outfits. >Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this is >and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't look >too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it >reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need >fitting to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to >pinpoint a flaw (I admit I don't like the look of the back of the >skirt but I don't know if that's because it's inauthentic or I just >dislike the style). Then again I've only done a little research into >this era, so for those who have more expertise in natural form era >outfits what is your opinion? >Elizabeth The bodice looks reasonable, but I am really not sure about the drapes coming from the back bodice in that way. I've made a few of this period and would much rather rely on my favourites, Hunnisett and Arnold for patterns. "Dover's "Harper's Bazaar" book has lots of pictures of this era, and Truly Victorian has lots of patterns for skirts of this period. I would perhaps not "spend" your pattern on this. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:47:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DlPjx026576 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:47:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DlIlG014236; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DfpBk095066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DfpKc029740; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18Dfld7029687 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25214 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208133721.01dca368@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:39:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Funn Stockings, was 18th century stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:47:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F666.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've just found my samples from Funn Stockings. (Who says my workroom is a shambles?) The silk ones are very fine, and would need to be worn over another pair for men's 18th century. The cotton ones are not so fine, but are translucent rather than transparent. Hope this helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:54:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DsE6V026681 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:54:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Ds7U2017102; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Dpcfk096352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DpbqP037487; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DpXiE037332 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A75E0220; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:51:26 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 08:51:09 -0500 Message-ID: <00a801c62cb6$fe9845a0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras> <20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:53:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:54:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F7FF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How time flies, alas... The issue is actually Vol. XI, Number 2 (March/April '03) While looking for this last eve, I pulled several issues out at random that deal with the 16/17Centuries.They are:Taste, Art, and Design in great Britain 1500-1900 (Jan/Feb '03) The Wedding Cloak of Johann GeorgI (May/June '05) Language of clothing (July/Aug '03)Julliet Hamelcourt: Medieval Artist in a modern World (Nov/Dec '99) Blackwork (Jan/Feb'04) Because of the breadth of needle arts this magazine covers, all be it sometimes in snatches, it is the single subscription I keep up with. Kathleen (And they are a company that actually answer phones or returns e-mail queries!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > > > Also, Piecework did a fine article on 16th C embroideries last year. Gloves > > from QE2 inventory were part of the presentation. I will look this up > > later.. > > oooh. I must have missed that issue somehow. Which one was it? > > Thanks, > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:05:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18E5RlF026854 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:05:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18E5GjW021895; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:05:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18E4U4W098579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E4T9N050379; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18E4EGi050202 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7749 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 14:04:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NpRpkDDBltkt3KD2NuDulXGNkIWjjGxgKzzYea2Q9sLOJtZh5DS00n/7ddwg0mdGiPNsDD1vkvor+K+Q4As2t1/WrfHXSCbdp+OvFqlkUTXvV3KetL4awPao9MuD3aDw3UEqwDevVSWSEyMTapqcXtNDwsgC14G611A8qKDdksQ= ; Message-ID: <20060208140408.7747.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:04:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:05:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FA9C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sheridan, I've used rubber daggers in various live-action games (full-contact fighting ones as well as the more 'drama' oriented ones). We picked them up at martial art stores, where you can also buy wooden practice swords or shinai (bamboo practice swords), all three of which should qualify under your friend's qualifications. Angharad / Jonnalyhn Wolfcat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:11:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EBOcq026963 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:11:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EBGFq024703; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:11:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18E3ZVs098396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:03:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E3Upt049336; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:03:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E3Oj0049150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k18E3JR80405 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:03:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 08 Feb 2006 08:03:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:03:18 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:03:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Knitted gloves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:11:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FC04.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was drooling over a friends new book this weekend that had great pics of, if I remember correctly, 3 pairs of knitted gloves. One of the earliest pairs was red. He got it at a museum in Bavaria on a trip last fall so the text is in Germany. Haven't had a chance to search around and see if it is available outside the museum but here is the info I copied down: Textile Schatze aus Renaissance und Barock Bayerisches National Museum Birgitt Borkopp-Restle Bavarian National Museum Had some great pics of a 16/early 17C embroideryed shirt, lace examples, etc. as well Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:12:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EC3M9026975 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:12:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EBuba019228; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:11:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18E6CNu099558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E6BSQ052164; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E66UJ052071 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:06:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:06:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:06:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 14:06:06.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDC03C10:01C62CB8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:11:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FC2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The actual picture looks as if the side poof is pulled to the front opening but the drawing view does not. I don't know if that is the problem you seek, but that is one difference I see. The ones I've seen like this are pulled more towards the back, not to the front. They form the bustle and "butt enhancement" with all the poofyness. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? >I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they > have > a new historic costume pattern, > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a > bit > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they > do > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s > outfits. > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this > is > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't > look > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting > to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I > admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if > that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again > I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more > expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:20:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EKASm027116 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:20:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EK2kU028388; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EILo7005192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EIJpx064213; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EIGDF064091 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8557 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 14:18:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=S6AZTNw2nnRSvpEq1iNHqkqPbj2iREURxdbxMSZmxgeTcyy9j4nK8+oEMqK6A2IW6zNJaWAbjq5dh9CkGUJ8QQcCLwigGL5isZwy77vlmGSGqSG4rdflLxzPh8R8L1G4pvNxlM9pW2ZxamYjSgWUWe2ZViKC6CSxFWYmijwGOx8= ; Message-ID: <20060208141810.8555.qmail@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:18:10 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:18:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602071434.k17EY8j5094351@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: underpants 19th c? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:20:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FE12.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When 19th cent? early? middle? late? There are some patterns Past Patterns( to buy) and Elizabeth Stewart Clark( free on the web) take care of middle 19th cent (split crothch and all). Folkwear USED to make a late 19th cent. version, I don't know if they still do. MIa in Charlotte, NC, who uses that mid-19th cent to wear under 18c kit. 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Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:23:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ENTPX027212 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:23:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ENKHD029818; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:23:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EMq6M007044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EMqFD068539; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EMmmU068479 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48111 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 14:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 14:22:32 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208141628.01dca150@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:20:28 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice In-Reply-To: References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FED8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:38 08/02/2006, you wrote: >The waistcoat looks late 18th Century to me. the vibrant colours >were popular then too, and if pack away from light for the last >couple of hundred years, would retain it's colour. It looks in >fabulous condition! I would lightly vacum it, with a low power >vacume like ones used in museums, but that's all before packing it >away properly. "cleaning" often confuses people into washing it in >water, which might damage the garment. No matter the condition, it >shouldn't be worn any more. >At the end of the 18th Century, fashions were becomming inspired by >the near east. Archeaoligical digs in Egypt and expansion into the >Medeterrianian and Eastward by England were influencing a new >Classical era. That may be why you feel it's inspired by India. > >Looks yummy! >Kelly in Nova Scotia > >>Hi everyone! >> >>I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old >>tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who >>think they have more of a clue than "north european, >>possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer >>queries on them. >> >>More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite >>embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early >>19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The >>construction is well illustrated by the photos as is >>the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've >>suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from >>light and other clothes in an acid-neutral >>environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's >>costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by >>India but I couldn't tell you why... >> >>http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ >> >>They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you >>can help :-) >> >>Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh It looks about 178- to me. I have half a waistcoat front from that era, and it has not faded at all - the silks were obviously very well dyed. I would suggest you contact a conservator at one of the many fine museums in Scotland, and ask for advice. I cannot remember where she works, but Naomi Tarrant is/was curator of costume at a Museum there - Shambellie House maybe? Sortry, I'm being vague too!! Suzi in sunny London, although clouding over as I type. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:24:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EO6bL027221 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:24:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ENwIB026250; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:24:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EMTJu006777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EMRDW068081; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EMNxw067898 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80055 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 14:22:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1cVJ5vVOHK4hsxe1exJqArFxxdHBgOd6xeT6CIQcSCw6RxSuP2JSB5tj2M2rSB/7a++gDRg2xHAUCubkehxZeKzGMXAW2lo4g2NYt5zJIwG3SMLCwqBODfv21nYB9sPd9eWKMzO1SOmHmF/qTG/mPuEoF71knF1HCrbxXY3GwuY= ; Message-ID: <20060208142217.80053.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:22:17 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43E929FA.80500@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:24:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FEFE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Perhaps I was not clear enough - when I was talking about petticoats, I meant mainly the 19th century of course. The fact is, I was asking if anyone knew a web page or a book where I could read something about fastenings in common - which kind of fastening was used in the middle ages, what in renaissance etc. For example I'd like to know when did people start to use lace as a fastening - and when buttons. and how did the buttons actually look like? Were they from the same fabric as the garment, or could they have been made of metal? For such questions it is hard to find anywhere an answer. Melanie Schuessler wrote: I'm a little confused. I didn't know anyone was wearing anything like petticoats in 13th-15th c. Europe. Are you looking at a different place? Or did I misunderstand your question? Type of fastening will depend on what garment, when, where, worn by whom, made of what, etc. There's not really an easy answer. Melanie Schuessler Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but > just now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) > > Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, > you wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I've just come to a question about period fastenings - >> when I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of >> fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened >> simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web >> page or book or simply anything that could help me? >> >> Thanks a lot >> >> Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18ERI0j027269 Status: RO This is from another group I sew with. Their emphasis is on the Victorian/ Edwardian Period. << It's sure pretty, but I wouldn't exactly call it "historic."  "Costume" is the right word.  But it looks like they're trying to get an 1880 look.  When JoAnn has their Simplicity $1 pattern sale, I'd pick it up because it looks like the bodice would work, with a few modifications.  I really don't like the poufy stuff at the hip -- I'd change that part to something pleated.>> Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 8, 2006, at 12:26 AM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that > they have > a new historic costume pattern, > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a > bustle or > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom > of > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite > a bit > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although > they do > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo > on > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early > 1880s > outfits. > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic > this is > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't > look > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, > it > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need > fitting to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to > pinpoint a flaw (I admit I don't like the look of the back of the > skirt but I don't know if that's because it's inauthentic or I just > dislike the style). Then again I've only done a little research into > this era, so for those who have more expertise in natural form era > outfits what is your opinion? > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:29:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ETGUg027297 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:29:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ET8pT029567; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:29:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EQuwB008909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EQuta072445; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EQqh5072382 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 23778 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 06:26:52 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 23753, pid: 23757, t: 6.0143s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 06:26:46 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060208062116.02252090@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:26:41 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice In-Reply-To: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA0034.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:36 AM 2/8/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old >tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who >think they have more of a clue than "north european, >possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer >queries on them. > >More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite >embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early >19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The >construction is well illustrated by the photos as is >the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've >suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from >light and other clothes in an acid-neutral >environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's >costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by >India but I couldn't tell you why... > >http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ > >They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you >can help :-) > >Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > I can't view anything but the indices and the first picture of each set. The one picture of the waistcoat gives me the impression that it is later 18th rather than early 19th century (I'm no expert in this area, so take my impression for what it's worth :-D). 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 10:35:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18FZpIa028494 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:35:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18FZgFF030571; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:35:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18FYd8A027788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FYWVV033834; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FYR7d033687 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.184]) by mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k18FYLi4030841 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:34:21 -0500 Received: from 209-225-8-111.charter.net (HELO fepweb11) ([209.225.8.111]) by mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2006 10:34:22 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,98,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="731383669:sNHT38300556" Message-ID: <20676887.1139412861398.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 7:34:21 -0800 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA0FCE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > For example I'd like to know when did people start to use lace as a fastening - and when buttons. and how did the buttons actually look like? Were they from the same fabric as the garment, or could they have been made of metal? For such questions it is hard to find anywhere an answer. http://www.eleanorlebrun.com/closure.htm I have started to look into this question. But I do not have all the details worked out, a work in progress. I hope it helps a bit. Good luck Annette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 10:52:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Fq5nq028853 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:52:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Fpv2t005175; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:52:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18FpOaZ030289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FpMFI050772; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FpIEQ050702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6rbB-0000cQ-7i; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:51:17 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:51:17 -0600 Message-ID: <20060208095117.e9bkpm42i93vo44o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:51:17 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Catherine Kinsey : > I was drooling over a friends new book this weekend that had great pics > of, if I remember correctly, 3 pairs of knitted gloves. One of the > earliest pairs was red. He got it at a museum in Bavaria on a trip last > fall so the text is in Germany. Haven't had a chance to search around > and see if it is available outside the museum but here is the info I > copied down: > > Textile Schatze aus Renaissance und Barock Bayerisches National Museum > Birgitt Borkopp-Restle > Bavarian National Museum > Cool. My kid is going to Germany this summer -- how much of the book is pre-1600 ... and how much does it cost? I'm always interested in books wit cool pictures of embroidery and *stuff*! Thanks, Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 11:10:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAL9n029216 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAC0W029051; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18G9au6033317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:09:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G9XlI069899; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G9OpR069738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6rsg-0002kh-Qg; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:09:22 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:09:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20060208100922.t9ma08h9mlno0wk4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:09:22 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Quoting Melanie Schuessler : > Susan B. Farmer wrote: >> >> OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, >> I've been drooling there for *far* too long. >> >> Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted >> gloves *before* 1600? > > There's a pair of red knitted silk and metal thread 15th-century > pontifical gloves and one silk and metal knitted 13th-century > archbishop's glove in Textile Conservation and Research by Mechtild > Flury-Lemberg. > Cool. If the "red knitted silk and metal thread" are the ones at the V&A, I just found them. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 11:10:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAO23029217 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAErk012939; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18G7dM3032983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G7PIK067632; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G7Kpp067438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k18G7Dt83858 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:07:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 08 Feb 2006 10:07:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:07:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: "Susan B. Farmer" Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:06:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitted gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:10:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA17E6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO He didn't remember the exact price with the exchange rate, thought it might be around $35 US. There were also a lot of full-page color photos of fabrics from the period it was covering, which was late 16/early 17C, and into the 17th C. My interests are more 16th C but I was still thinking of getting it. Hope that helps, Catherine >>> "Susan B. Farmer" 02/08/06 9:51 AM >>> Quoting Catherine Kinsey : > I was drooling over a friends new book this weekend that had great pics > of, if I remember correctly, 3 pairs of knitted gloves. One of the > earliest pairs was red. He got it at a museum in Bavaria on a trip last > fall so the text is in Germany. Haven't had a chance to search around > and see if it is available outside the museum but here is the info I > copied down: > > Textile Schatze aus Renaissance und Barock Bayerisches National Museum > Birgitt Borkopp-Restle > Bavarian National Museum > Cool. My kid is going to Germany this summer -- how much of the book is pre-1600 ... and how much does it cost? I'm always interested in books wit cool pictures of embroidery and *stuff*! Thanks, Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 11:42:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GgC2F030703 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:42:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Gg2WT027237; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:42:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18GfLLZ039892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Gf2jX004774; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Geatk004315 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B51747FF06 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006b01c62cce$65710a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:42:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA1F5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Katherine, Yum yum, thanks for posting the link. Oh god, i cant stand those embroideries :-) Its a mans waistcoat 1780-90 my guess. Feather patterns was very sheek in the 80ies............. Cant help with the tappestries. Even though it looks very inspired from India it could have ben made anywhere in Europe, perhaps France? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice > Hi everyone! > > I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old > tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who > think they have more of a clue than "north european, > possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer > queries on them. > > More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite > embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early > 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The > construction is well illustrated by the photos as is > the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've > suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from > light and other clothes in an acid-neutral > environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's > costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by > India but I couldn't tell you why... > > http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ > > They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you > can help :-) > > Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:47:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA20A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. :( http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html http://www.gloveassociation.org http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi This image of a glove: http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 Gloves London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 12:01:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18H1GnK031192 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:01:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18H18sq003454; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Gxcu5043739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18GxYb2026307; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18GxTcS026197 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 97096 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 16:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 16:59:28 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208165627.01dcba78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:57:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 16:45 08/02/2006, you wrote: >Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. :( > >http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF > >http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html > >http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html > >http://www.gloveassociation.org > >http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi > >This image of a glove: > >http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 > > >Gloves >London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. >(Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of >mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) > > >Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre >Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin >Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 >- 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. >1715 [Paris, c. 1715] Thank you Francesca. Some of these I got off your links page, but some are new. All are helpful for me to talk to my customer. I'm very grateful. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 12:37:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Hbihs000678 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:37:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18HbcTY019821; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:37:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18HaAwV052049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18HZF1U068800; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f34.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18HYtWD068419 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:34:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:34:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.160] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602081338.k18DcbO3027206@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:34:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 17:34:52.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D53880:01C62CD5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO It's somewhat dated but this might have something of use... http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/redfern/index.htm Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 12:52:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Hq8fW000898 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:52:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Hq1u0026235; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:52:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Hp8GV055086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:51:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Hp3lO086387; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18HovNw086163 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8WM4YA2QN9VA for (sender ); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGP3KVNT; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:49:31 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:08:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Message-ID: <20060208.094847.3236.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-10,12-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 4:6:781896182 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqOOlhWnED/NXcR7ZIevPZM= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA2FC1.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. Me too. If Creepy Plastic Guy showed up at my place, I'ld have no recourse other than to beat him to death with a baseball bat. eeeeeyuuuuu (shivers!) (Sorry, no costume content.) Arlys On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:52:06 -0800 Althea Turner writes: > That's our name for the character, "That Creepy Plastic Guy" But I > have to admit to loving the commercial with the King and Darth > Vader. :D > > Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:13:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IDD9i001291 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:13:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ID7jY003923; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:13:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18IAeRA058514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IAYxf010022; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18IATEh009865 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 96475 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 18:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 18:10:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208180543.01dcb138@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:08:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 17:34 08/02/2006, you wrote: >It's somewhat dated but this might have something of use... > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/redfern/index.htm > >Marc Marc That is an amazing site - thank you - it has given me more ideas, as I was hoping to find something not quite so fancy as so many are, and there are some great examples there. I'm beginning to look forward to these now, even though I have a few jobs to finish first! Thanks again Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:23:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18INFI0001490 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:23:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IN8FR009025; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:23:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18ILwHb060897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18ILtvs023483; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18ILoQE023281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:21:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18ILhfE099706 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:21:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 66.9.89.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:21:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45230.66.9.89.66.1139422903.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1> <20060208143940.QFZB9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:21:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:23:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA370C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kinda found where it used to live ... http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/catalogue/ContactSheet.php?QueryName=BasicQuery&QueryPage=%2Fcostume%2Fcatalogue%2Findex.php&Anywhere=SummaryData%7CAdmWebMetadata&QueryTerms=glove&QueryOption=Anywhere&Submit=Search&StartAt=41 On Wed, February 8, 2006 10:45 am, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio said: > Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. > :( > > http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF > > http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html > > http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html > > http://www.gloveassociation.org > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi > > This image of a glove: > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 > > > Gloves > London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. > (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of > mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) > > > Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre > Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin > Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 > - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. > 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Chiara http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/societyofstanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:48:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Im7o8001931 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:48:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Im0LW020890; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18IlYhK066549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IkjTq051812; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IkQlO051391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2F3D284A6D; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A284A7C for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:46:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:45:52 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000101c62cdf$f3b01450$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602081338.k18DcbO2027206@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18IkQlO051391 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Embroidery dating advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA3CE0.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Katherine, I would suggest the waistcoat is between 1790 and 1800, just at the change of fashion from Georgian to Regency. The embroidery very much harks to the Georgian, in that it is so colourful in execution, and quite heavy in design. The sprigging, however, gives it away as Regency, as this was very much part of the Regency motif, as does the ivory silk. The cut of the waistcoat is also indicative of early Regency. It retains a slightly longer waist, with pointed fronts and large pockets, all of which are Georgian influences. We see the fronts of waistcoats straighten as Regency fashion takes hold, and pockets become smaller. As to the banners, I'd need a little more information as to dimensions. I would suggest these may not be banners, rather orphry bands, definitely ecclesiastical. Without being able to examine the banners in person, or having better detailed close-ups, it looks as though the first in the series is perhaps Opus Anglicanum, done in needlepainting and some or nue. In which case this is likely very valuable, museum piece, likely worked on a wool/silk ground with silk threads and gold. I would suggest this is late, rather than early Opus Anglicanum, perhaps 14th or 15th century. The figure work here is very fluid, and the execution of fills and the or nue quite skilled. I'd also suggest this was done in a professional embroidery house. The second is earlier, I think, and is unfinished. But, again, without being able to examine the piece, or having better images, it is difficult to tell. There is a great deal of water damage here. The figures seem a bit stiffer in form, and so I'd hazard a guess at 13th century. The cartoons are clearly visible here, which would indicate either an unfinished piece, or a severely damaged piece. The third is a puzzle. It looks as though it's edged with damaged green silk velvet, and has no taper to it at all, which would suggest not an orphry, perhaps rather part of the outside edge of an altar frontal. The figures are quite crude, reminiscent of very early opus anglicanum, so perhaps 11th century or earlier. But, again, without being able to examine the piece, I'm only stabbing in the dark. I'd need to be able to look at the textiles themselves to ascertain material content, etc., in order to give a more educated opinion. These could be very well done modern pieces made to look older. Whatever you do, you're going to have to be sure to use only the best quality conservator's materials. There is quite a range of thought on restoration/preservation/conservation. At the very least you can use conservator's gauze to stabilize those areas that are in the worst repair. Just my thoughts. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:50:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IoM92001993 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:50:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IoFYO021911; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:50:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Im7WY066682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:48:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Ilkm3053074; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18GWFi5094745 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EFA726280A for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:32:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006401c62ccd$3b31e000$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43E969FE.6000107@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing? 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Status: RO Hi Dawn, Gosh i never read that chapter, i surely will now. I dont understand this fine-drawing thing either. Never heard it. Dont you think they just mean that you have to press the seams to the sides and iron? I have never seen any stitches used on the right side of the back pieces. In the american book Costume Close Up there are sewing instruktions two of a mans coat. Only types of stitches used is: back stitches, point á rabattre sous la main and slanted hemming stitches. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? > I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for > the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover > edition) > > "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then > fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." > > > Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two > references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric > by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's > already backstitched... does it? > > Can anyone clarify this for me? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:51:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Iphga002041 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Ipba4003304; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:51:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Io4Ii067432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Io3Sp055870; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18H8WuF037707 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 91F49A50024 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:08:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00bd01c62cd2$4d566620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1><20060208143940.QFZB9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Hi Chiara, The danish wedding? Is it the reconstrukted renaissance wedding dress from Kronborg? The link is here: http://www.ses.dk/sofiegalleri/ But there is no link to any gloves, or did i miss something? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. :( > > http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF > > http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html > > http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html > > http://www.gloveassociation.org > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi > > This image of a glove: > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 > > > Gloves > London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. > (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of > mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) > > > Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre > Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin > Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 > - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. > 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:52:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IqCI8002052 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Iq5co032363; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18IpRSm067710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IpQl5057377; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com [70.103.189.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18HnIns084195 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:49:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 16804 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 2006 17:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 17:49:12 -0000 Received: from 193.84-48-130.nextgentel.com ([84.48.130.193] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F6tRH-0003RU-NA for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:49:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:48:55 +0100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp 84.48.130.193 authed with g.vinje@drakt.org} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: g.vinje@drakt.org,hotpop@drakt.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box77.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [515 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - drakt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA3DD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:36:49 +0000 (GMT), katherine sanders wrote: > I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old > tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who > think they have more of a clue than "north european, > possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer > queries on them. > http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ From what I can see in the photoes, I'd hassard that the first one might be maybe as early as 1350, but most likely 15thC. The colors are more or less compatible with mid 14thC english embroideries in the V&A.On the other hand, there is the golden/apricot color and what looks like orange. Do you have any idea if the golden shades might be faded madder reds or if it was golden all along ? I can't make out the stitches properly, but it looks like an Opus Anglicanum piece from what I see. The goldwork background used here seems to be a more common feature of the 15thC than the 14th from what I've seen over the years. There is a cope in Historisk Museum her in Oslo with an embroidered band bearing a superficial resemblance to this piece btw. The halfdone or very worn banner is hard to tell due to the stitches not being very visible.And too little of the pattern and colors are seen. Is it the back piece of the one above ? Or a separate one ? The 3rd one is the first I've seen with green velvet. Lots of apricot or faded madder reds, but too blurry to tell much. Opus Anglicanum work and couched gold background in different patterns ? The colors look more french than english to me, but as I can't see the details close enough... Thanks for posting these, I'd love to see these close up. Do you have any better detailed photoes ? Know anything about their history or origin ? Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:52:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IqMtL002053 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IqFGq022265; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Ippqs067797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Ipovi057880; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IF9U9015305 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:15:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.178.174.208 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:15:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.178.174.208] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:14:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:14:59 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 18:15:04.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[95AEF910:01C62CDB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:52:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA3DDF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18IqMtL002053 Status: RO Katherine, my "gut instinct" on the waistcoat is late 18th century, but I'm no expert. The curator of the Valentine museum in Richmond, VA (whose name is escaping me at the moment, it's been a few years) was quite studied on men's shirts and waiscoats of the 18th and 19th centuries and could probably give a more educated time frame. HTH-- LuAnn (who agrees these items are absolutely lovely...thanks for sharing) ----- Original Message ----- From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Hi everyone! I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who think they have more of a clue than "north european, possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer queries on them. More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The construction is well illustrated by the photos as is the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from light and other clothes in an acid-neutral environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by India but I couldn't tell you why... http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you can help :-) Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Status: RO > As to the banners, I'd need a little more information as to > dimensions. I would suggest these may not be banners, rather orphry bands, > definitely ecclesiastical. Ah, that was my first thought too, but it was just a hunch so kept quiet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:17:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JH4e4002676 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JGv1I002358; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JGKhJ073063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:16:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JGIuE083997; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JGDlt083914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18J1ZgY002042 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 66.9.89.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <54870.66.9.89.66.1139425295.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <00bd01c62cd2$4d566620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1><20060208143940.QFZB9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <00bd01c62cd2$4d566620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Thank you Bjarne but no, this is not the one. It was a men's waist coat and gloves from the 17th century. It is buried in my collection of glove links that I really need to clean out. But thank you for the link! Lovely dress. :) Chiara On Wed, February 8, 2006 11:08 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hi Chiara, > The danish wedding? Is it the reconstrukted renaissance wedding > dress from > Kronborg? > The link is here: > http://www.ses.dk/sofiegalleri/ > But there is no link to any gloves, or did i miss something? > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:45 PM > Subject: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > > >> Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, >> sorry. :( >> >> http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF >> >> http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html >> >> http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html >> >> http://www.gloveassociation.org >> >> http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi >> >> This image of a glove: >> >> http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 >> >> >> Gloves >> London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. >> (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of >> mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) >> >> >> Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre >> Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin >> Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de >> 17316 >> - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. >> 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:17:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JHiWG002702 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JHcsb020708; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JH59g073166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JH4iK084734; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JH1Qg084664 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F6uoF-000Cr9-6x for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:16:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:15:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword References: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<1C4N+l1Z4zNb0H4tRLrTWOkHBM>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA43D2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kids I know generally have wood, padded and then covered with leather. Works for both swords and axes, and looks period as well as being relatively safe. Jean Shane & Sheridan wrote >Hello everyone! > >I'm forwarding this on behalf of someone on another list; I figured folks >here would have an idea or two. :-) >------------------------------ >Snip to relevent question: > >> On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short >sword for the enjoyment of their young son. (Safe - as in will not puncture >or perforate another person, causing welts upon older brother is considered >acceptable use) They do not want the cheap plastic junk found at >halloween. I vaguely remember someone posting on a forum about a rubber >dagger, seems to me it was made out of a similar material to that of hockey >pucks. But unfortunately I cannot seem to find where I saw it. If anyone >knows what I'm talking about, please let me know. > >------------------------------ >Thanks in advance! > >Sheridan > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:20:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JKiVH002770 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:20:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JKc3v004424; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JJgZF073610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JJfTO087268; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JJbGa087215 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so131507wri for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DpdZDHxooXqMdNI5B0cQf41CD8ZeW+mUAXQLKCueudZZHhiSjzgszwjOxHNAGAlB5/6WLIB9UJSydcBvAsY4rYCRsTsNVRZWXtF0mIXxOJ4+onQs0xZxHARgSwLZ022TyQ+NPXFGyFEPMNqwVpu9hej6Ccq5JtrG+8nSf5CjJT4= Received: by 10.64.88.10 with SMTP id l10mr428262qbb; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18JJbGa087215 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:20:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4486.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for > the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover > edition) > > "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then > fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." Dawn, Bjarne, I assumed that norah Waugh was using modern (possibly tailor's) terminology to describe what she saw. The expression wasnt in my jargon, either. I took it to mean blind catch stitching. I got an mid-19thc mans frock coat in my collection out and examined it. (Oldest relevant thing I have.) It has that same small inserted bit i the skirting, near the CB. The amount of skirting is obvious much less than the 1750s. The tailor of this 19th c jacket, formed the pleat, then, working from the inside, did a catch-stitch abt 1/2 to 1 cm from the fold to permanently shape the pleat. (Cant quite tell without ripping the lining.) Cut of Men's Clothes says to so this working from the hem towards the waist. I my experiments, I discovered that doing so keeps the hang in the right spot as errors magnify going hem-wards. Here's an amazingly bad ASCII drawing: inside of garment /------cb------\ right side pleat catch stitches at this point ^ \ / ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- outside of garment, viewer would be here Clear as mud? Originally, I thought it might be tailor's jargon for a french seam, but, as I had cut the jacket, the skirt almost-CB seam was hidden behind the pleats. Why dont you ask the Savile Row guy who runs to the cutting & tailoring blog? Post the answer for us, too. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:23:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JNqnf002831 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:23:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JNjHs006269; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:23:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JNMmu074153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JNKnf090774; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:23:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JNHjm090733 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B141A50077 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:23:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c62ce5$22817440$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Hi Marc, Gosh thanks a lot. You have made my days a head now. Lady Herringtons gloves has bullion roses........BULLION ROSES.............. Tada tada.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? > It's somewhat dated but this might have something of use... > > http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/redfern/index.htm > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:39:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JdMgT003231 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:39:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JdFRO014122; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:39:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JaVJX076364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JaM9V004368; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50207.mail.yahoo.com (web50207.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18JaB2W004124 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 27342 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 19:36:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZVgBPXem1M8ik4I7atfATy2wN6rdY3SOTL7yve2DNS2cMWDThskq/sopddqq/+lKF9pAsJw9mmjgCMZzEvHB7+L3L24GyWKd7Nv1TNIUVwJXA4mzpuDXLl58BGjic07QkkOVzJsIndlia0AeGXgv7XdZeX4NcvUSWAdUIAAYCcs= ; Message-ID: <20060208193607.27340.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.148.43.79] by web50207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:36:06 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Mundy To: Historic-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword (Shane & Sheridan) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA48E3.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Status: RO I am going to hazzard a guess here as a seamstress, not as an authority on 18th century men's wear. I would think that the fine drawing may mean a fine gathering stitch used to make the upper layer lay flat. I have done many curved seams though, and never needed to use that method, but it does help in getting sleeves into armholes (hidden gathering stitch, of course). Just a possibility. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:32:19 +0100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing? Hi Dawn, Gosh i never read that chapter, i surely will now. I dont understand this fine-drawing thing either. Never heard it. Dont you think they just mean that you have to press the seams to the sides and iron? I have never seen any stitches used on the right side of the back pieces. In the american book Costume Close Up there are sewing instruktions two of a mans coat. Only types of stitches used is: back stitches, point á rabattre sous la main and slanted hemming stitches. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? > I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for > the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover > edition) > > "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then > fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." > > > Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two > references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric > by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's > already backstitched... does it? > > Can anyone clarify this for me? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JtexD003623 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:55:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JtYPJ022521; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:55:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Jt37w079699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JsvTO024980; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JsXQe024427 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63F923BC9 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B094C for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:54:26 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] period fastenings Thread-Index: AcYswg3UhrVaKDZWTwS7iSrfucVnIgAHOyDw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 19:54:25.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[767C5660:01C62CE9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18JsXQe024427 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:55:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4CB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello again! As I said earlier, I don't actually know of a book on the "history of fastenings", and I haven't specifically researched the questions you ask, but I am chronically unable to stick to one outfit/time-period in my costuming, so here's an overview of what I've picked up about the subject: I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic fitted dresses (usually referred to as cotehardies in the SCA). The book has enough instructions for how to make the fabric buttons, that I have done so based simply on that book. Somewhere I read that metal buttons could/were used on the front of the over-dresses (but I can't come up with an extant example off the top of my head) but that the buttons were so expensive that sometimes people would not attach the metal buttons but instead lace the buttons onto the dress via holes such as for lacing up the front of the dress. Unfortunately I can't remember _where_ I read this so I have no idea how reliable the source is. The _Museum of London_ book also shows hand-made eyelets for lacing down the front closure of the gothic fitted dress. I'm sure Robin has many more sources fo! r this period then I do :-) Italian Rennisance (~1480-1530) seems to be mostly lacing for women's dresses (both front/side openings and sleeves) based off of Elizabeth Birbari's _Dress in Italian Painting: 1460-1500_ and Jen Thompson's research http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/flornotes/flornotes.html . Sometimes the buttons were laced though decorative metal eyelet-things (http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor5.html) rather then thread bound eyelet holes. Occasionally the paintings use gold coloring for the eyelet holes which suggests metal eyelets, however I don't think there are any extant, and metal eyelets were first patented somewhere in the 1825-40 range (and don't come into use for corsets until then). Hooks and eyes were used extensively in the dresses Janet Arnold studied in the late 1500s, and I seem to remember a picture from the late-1400s early-1500s showing hook and eyes at the neck. I'm sure it's been discussed on this list before, but I'm not coming up with any web links to it. The hooks and eyes look very similar to modern hooks and eyes, though a bit heavier to my eye. Many of the buttons in the dresses Arnold studies are thread covered -- there is a description for how to do it: http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_buttons.htm I have not used these instructions myself, but a friend did. She said they took ~20 minutes per button to make. And lacing is still used to close some bodices (e.g. the Elenore de Toledo burial dress). At Costume College 2003 there was a class on Medieval and Rennisance fastenings, which was fascinating, but there were neither handouts, nor can I find a reference to it on-line, so I can't tell you who the teacher was...Not very helpful, I know! Fastenings for women's regency dress are predominantly drawstrings, pins and some buttons. The drawers (if worn) are tied together, the chemise has a drawstring (in what little info I could find for chemises), there aren't many extant petticoat/under dress things, but the one c1825 in _History of Underclothes_ by the Cunningtons' buttons together. All three closure methods can be seen on the outer dress, plus frogs for women's coats. My extant 1824 bodice has both a drawstring around the neck and buttons down the back. Fastenings for women's Victorian (1860s and 1870s) dress uses hooks and eyes far more then you would expect (there are times when the bodice closure is hooks and eyes but the bodice has buttons sewn on for decoration). However you do see back lacing for some ball gowns, and occasionally front lacing for dinner dresses, but most closures are center front and either hooks and eyes or buttons. The one petticoat I have from this period has both a drawstring and a button (however I'm not 100% convinced that the drawstring wasn't added later - I am suspicious that the petticoat was used in a theatre production...). Chemises may have no closure, or may be buttoned. I can't remember about drawers... Gibson Girl (1890s) through teens (based on my small collection of vintage women's garments) uses both hooks and eyes and snaps on the dresses. Buttons seem to be mostly decorative, though I do not own a tailored suit from that period, and I would guess those used button closures. FYI, there are many books that cover buttons in this time period, as they were a decorative element. I have 2 petticoats from this period, both have drawstring waists. The corset cover I have has a button front, and the butt-pad I have has ties for around the waist. Hope that helps! -sunny P.S. I do not know when buttons + loops were used -- all button references here are to buttons and buttonholes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:05:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K5e1i003904 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:05:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K5Xrr027203; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:05:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18K513V081759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K4uV0035750; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K4PlS035202 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:04:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 913DF47FF07 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:04:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003801c62cea$dfd0f2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:04:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:05:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4F0D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine drawing should be used. Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to make an extra pleat? Then she perhaps is meaning that this seam should be very accurately made with tiny stitches, to hold well, as there only is very little seam allowance here. For my gustavian suit, wich has this slash and extra pleat, i whipstitched the parts together, with very fine stitches. It perhaps is one of the most difficult places on a coat to make......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:06:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K69Qx003929 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:06:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K63EL021837; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18K5JiY081809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K5JwU036210; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K5Bxs036065 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so142036wra for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:05:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Y5JeQGQg9TGQGe3UCWyRbz2A9jQFvLI8P8koMvZZP1AiVrtC/DID3nvdJaEkg0IrPYFfHhi6AFb5E9pB2SD5+erkCHE8WGnYVEYRGgWZDLIAcD+Jp/R0ruk3Jzjavz5oy2+4BH7VG6isptzfFUTadWcE4zXjSs6cgVWpmuReFA4= Received: by 10.64.208.19 with SMTP id f19mr1814724qbg; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e15sm3259631qbe.2006.02.08.12.05.09; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:05:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009501c62cea$f99ad0c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:05:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4F2B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for >> the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover >> edition) >> >> "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and >> then >> fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." The only definitions to fine-drawing that I can find are these: To repair a garment by invisible mending Fine-draw: To sew or close up, as a rent or seam, so delicately that joining cannot be noticed. ... to mend (torn edges) by drawing together with invisible stitches. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:36:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Kahbn004515 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18KabiD009162; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18KZVtq085972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KZRrX067556; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KZODs067405 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2923A296A for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:35:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43EA560C.5070002@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:35:24 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing References: <003801c62cea$dfd0f2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003801c62cea$dfd0f2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:36:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA5655.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine > drawing should be used. > Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to > make an extra pleat? It's for joining the center back seam above the pleats "working from the skirt opening upwards". The instructions for the pleats are in the next paragraph. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:54:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18KsMeB004838 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:54:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18KsF2Q017621; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Krjea089804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KrcbV087706; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:53:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KrXqn087529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6wJZ-0004sz-AP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:53:25 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:53:25 -0600 Message-ID: <20060208145325.ow991ex0vb6sw000@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:53:25 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Hi Marc, > Gosh thanks a lot. You have made my days a head now. Lady Herringtons > gloves has bullion roses........BULLION ROSES.............. Oh, wow! Is there a date for those? Looks like it *might* be late 16th C. Susan BTW, Marc, your link to "Hawking glove of Henry VIII is broken. :-( ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:12:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LCAHJ005168 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:12:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LC4Ll027005; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LBRO2093603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LBJ6a005830; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LBCca005629 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22656 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:41:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:41:33 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:12:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA5EA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about > anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and > Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic > fitted dresses (usually referred to as cotehardies in the SCA). The > book has enough instructions for how to make the fabric buttons, that > I have done so based simply on that book. Somewhere I read that metal > buttons could/were used on the front of the over-dresses (but I can't > come up with an extant example off the top of my head) but that the > buttons were so expensive that sometimes people would not attach the > metal buttons but instead lace the buttons onto the dress via holes > such as for lacing up the front of the dress. Unfortunately I can't > remember _where_ I read this so I have no idea how reliable the source > is. The _Museum of London_ book also shows hand-made eyelets for > lacing down the front closure of the gothic fitted dress. I'm sure > Robin has many more sources for this period then I do :-) Maybe not, but I'll elaborate where I can ;-) First, I think it's important to distinguish layers here. Buttoning down the front of a dress seems to be typical only of the outer layer (the layer that might actually have been called a cotehardie in French) but not the inner layer (the fitted supportive dress, which could be worn alone or with an overdress). Laced fronts seem pretty much universal on the supportive (inner or single) layer. Sometimes the lacing is visible in images; sometimes it is not, which could simply mean that the artists did not conventionally render it, not that it was necessarily invisible to the eye. (I have never seen evidence of a back lacing of the supportive dress; if anyone ever finds such evidence, I'd like to see it.) Next, you need to distinguish time and place. Buttons down the front of overdresses seem to be common only in certain periods and regions -- I have this sense of seeing them much more often in English sources than French, for instance, and more often in the earlier versions of the fitted overdresses (say, to 1390 or so) than in the later ones. There also seems to be a regional/temporal variance in preference for whether to use buttons to fit the sleeves, and how many/how far up the arm. You can see a few buttons at the wrist or partway up the forearm quite early in the 14th c., with the upper half of the sleeve not fitted; then later you see the buttons go up past the elbow, making the entire sleeve fitted. Sometimes there are no visible buttons, suggesting that lacing or sewing-in was used to tighten the sleeves to the arm; in fact, buttons on the sleeve seem relatively rare after 1400 or so, but the sleeves remain extremely tight. The next distinction to make is class. The buttons you use would reflect the money you have to spend. The fabric buttons in the MOL's "Textiles and Clothing" book have gotten so much attention that some people don't realize that there's a much larger sample set of surviving buttons of other materials: metal, bone, horn (I think). Many examples of these are reproduced in the MOL's "Dress Accessories" book. I'd have to look up the various options, but I would expect wood to have been equally likely. Also, bear in mind that we don't know what kinds of garments the fabric buttons (or, for that matter, the laced eyelets) from the MOL book came from -- it is probably more likely that they are from a lower-class tunic than from a middle- or upper-class fitted dress, and equally likely to be from a man's garment as a woman's. If you've got an upper-class dress, you might want to think twice before doing fabric buttons. In particular, I don't think I'd choose fabric buttons for the front of a buttoned fitted overdress, which is an expensive garment; anyone wearing it could have afforded metal or another material. Bottom line: To determine whether and how to use buttons, lacing, etc., figure out what place, time, style, and class you're focusing on, and look specifically at sources that are the closest possible match. Remember that even in one style (in this case the fitted dress of 1350-1450) there are numerous variations in such things as bust height, skirt width, and neckline depth, as well as button/lacing use; ideally you would use a combination of features that are all consistent with a single period/place/class, not mixed-and-matched over a hundred-year stretch. (People of the period would no doubt have been as aware of these differences as we are of things like modern hemline length or waist height or shoulder size, which all vary over the years in modern fashions.) Oh, about those buttons attached through eyelet holes: This was apparently a means of attaching the buttons in some garments. The buttons were not sewn to the cloth, but were put through eyelets and then threaded through a ribbon on the inside. As far as I know the other part of the garment had conventional buttonholes, and was buttoned up as usual. It's suggested that this made it easier to remove the buttons for washing or for transfer to another garment (or to sell or give away). In any case, it does seem this would be a way of reducing wear to the cloth, and a logical move from the existing technology of lacing (which goes back at least to the 12th c.) to buttons. > Hooks and eyes were used extensively in the dresses Janet Arnold > studied in the late 1500s, and I seem to remember a picture from the > late-1400s early-1500s showing hook and eyes at the neck. The image was of a famous court fool, I believe, but I forget who and when. > P.S. I do not know when buttons + loops were used -- all button > references here are to buttons and buttonholes. I have never seen any evidence for them in the Middle Ages, though a lot of people seem to assume them as a default. I have no idea why. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:29:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LT5hU006893 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:29:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LSwOI002481; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:29:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LSFgI096806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LS91W024268; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LS6Qf024088 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A25A0198; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:27:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.141 ([209.131.80.141] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 16:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:29:41 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pinker alert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:29:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA629A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18LT5hU006893 Status: RO Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18LdZTq007626 Status: RO Hello! De-lurking for a moment . . . While perusing the web, I stumbled onto something called Italian linen, which can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/a826d Does anyone know how this would compare to Irish linen? Or is it just a different name for the same thing? Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:49:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LnNRN007860 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:49:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LnGmh011003; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LmIkY000729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Lm7Zu045568; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JsXfk024430 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2F3245DF for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B967ADD for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:54:26 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] period fastenings Thread-Index: AcYswg3UhrVaKDZWTwS7iSrfucVnIgAHOyDw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 19:54:25.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[767C5660:01C62CE9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18JsXfk024430 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA675C.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello again! As I said earlier, I don't actually know of a book on the "history of fastenings", and I haven't specifically researched the questions you ask, but I am chronically unable to stick to one outfit/time-period in my costuming, so here's an overview of what I've picked up about the subject: I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic fitted dresses (usually referred to as cotehardies in the SCA). The book has enough instructions for how to make the fabric buttons, that I have done so based simply on that book. Somewhere I read that metal buttons could/were used on the front of the over-dresses (but I can't come up with an extant example off the top of my head) but that the buttons were so expensive that sometimes people would not attach the metal buttons but instead lace the buttons onto the dress via holes such as for lacing up the front of the dress. Unfortunately I can't remember _where_ I read this so I have no idea how reliable the source is. The _Museum of London_ book also shows hand-made eyelets for lacing down the front closure of the gothic fitted dress. I'm sure Robin has many more sources fo! r this period then I do :-) Italian Rennisance (~1480-1530) seems to be mostly lacing for women's dresses (both front/side openings and sleeves) based off of Elizabeth Birbari's _Dress in Italian Painting: 1460-1500_ and Jen Thompson's research http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/flornotes/flornotes.html . Sometimes the buttons were laced though decorative metal eyelet-things (http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor5.html) rather then thread bound eyelet holes. Occasionally the paintings use gold coloring for the eyelet holes which suggests metal eyelets, however I don't think there are any extant, and metal eyelets were first patented somewhere in the 1825-40 range (and don't come into use for corsets until then). Hooks and eyes were used extensively in the dresses Janet Arnold studied in the late 1500s, and I seem to remember a picture from the late-1400s early-1500s showing hook and eyes at the neck. I'm sure it's been discussed on this list before, but I'm not coming up with any web links to it. The hooks and eyes look very similar to modern hooks and eyes, though a bit heavier to my eye. Many of the buttons in the dresses Arnold studies are thread covered -- there is a description for how to do it: http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_buttons.htm I have not used these instructions myself, but a friend did. She said they took ~20 minutes per button to make. And lacing is still used to close some bodices (e.g. the Elenore de Toledo burial dress). At Costume College 2003 there was a class on Medieval and Rennisance fastenings, which was fascinating, but there were neither handouts, nor can I find a reference to it on-line, so I can't tell you who the teacher was...Not very helpful, I know! Fastenings for women's regency dress are predominantly drawstrings, pins and some buttons. The drawers (if worn) are tied together, the chemise has a drawstring (in what little info I could find for chemises), there aren't many extant petticoat/under dress things, but the one c1825 in _History of Underclothes_ by the Cunningtons' buttons together. All three closure methods can be seen on the outer dress, plus frogs for women's coats. My extant 1824 bodice has both a drawstring around the neck and buttons down the back. Fastenings for women's Victorian (1860s and 1870s) dress uses hooks and eyes far more then you would expect (there are times when the bodice closure is hooks and eyes but the bodice has buttons sewn on for decoration). However you do see back lacing for some ball gowns, and occasionally front lacing for dinner dresses, but most closures are center front and either hooks and eyes or buttons. The one petticoat I have from this period has both a drawstring and a button (however I'm not 100% convinced that the drawstring wasn't added later - I am suspicious that the petticoat was used in a theatre production...). Chemises may have no closure, or may be buttoned. I can't remember about drawers... Gibson Girl (1890s) through teens (based on my small collection of vintage women's garments) uses both hooks and eyes and snaps on the dresses. Buttons seem to be mostly decorative, though I do not own a tailored suit from that period, and I would guess those used button closures. FYI, there are many books that cover buttons in this time period, as they were a decorative element. I have 2 petticoats from this period, both have drawstring waists. The corset cover I have has a button front, and the butt-pad I have has ties for around the waist. Hope that helps! -sunny P.S. I do not know when buttons + loops were used -- all button references here are to buttons and buttonholes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:51:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LpaJX007901 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:51:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LpUK3011952; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:51:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Lp0Qp001534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:51:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Lowwp048993; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K7AoJ038055 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EEF0A262801 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:07:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005701c62ceb$48059560$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:07:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] glove cuffs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:51:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA67E2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Forgive my ignorance, but i have no idea, and therefore ask stupid. But how was these scalloped cuffs for gloves made. Did they have wire in the edge, to make it stand? Does anybody know wich kind of seam is used to turn these scallopes? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:55:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Ltdc9007966 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:55:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LtW7k013473; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LqMwT002037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LqJNM050731; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LZEAE031654 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.106.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.106] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6wxy-0003w5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: <43EA71EB.8090500@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:55:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA68D4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head in the Canterbury Tales: "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone have other information about this? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:56:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Lu1F0007977 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:56:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Lts0T028594; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:55:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LqhC0002229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LqcY8051126; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LnUjR047008 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e8.4aea0464 (15700) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D01 (fwm-d01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.193]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d5443ea675837e; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7FB10A20CA07E-1764-19B6B@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602081338.k18DcbO3027206@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.193) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602081338.k18DcbO3027206@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.193 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Child-friendly sword X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA68EA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO These are inexpensive and plastic, but look pretty good: http://www.anytimecostumes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Don't forget the question mark, it's part of the url. Tea Rose ------------------------------ From: "Shane & Sheridan" Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword ------------------------------ Snip to relevent question: > On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short sword for the enjoyment of their young son. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 17:08:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18M8toA008242 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:08:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18M8mXQ018847; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Lxb1u003698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:59:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LxUD5058955; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:59:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LxGPJ058672 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:59:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.51]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6xLF-0001MR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <21605220.1139435953984.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:59:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:08:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA6BF0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking in ignorance except as a costumer who worries about vulnerable seam-ends.... If "fine drawing" doesn't refer to what Cynthia describes (and for costumes in this general period I have done those catch-stiches to stabilize the pleat), then... it might be a reinforcing stitching buried in the seam crease. I do this at exactly this point, the lower end of the CB seam just above the pleat opening. It has to be done from the outside. I take a small running stitch (small but not the same length as the stitching already in the seam because doubling the thread thickness in the stitching holes would be counterproductive), alternating stitch placement from one side of the seam to the other. I've never tried an AASCI drawing before, but-- assuming a vertical seam in the center of this diagram, the stitches would run I_ _I I_ _I with the vertical part of the stitch inside the seam turnback and the horizontal part bridging the seam. Even if this stitch is done with double thread (which I use) it is virtually invisible once pulled (drawn) snug, but it adds good reinforcement to the vulnerable base of the seam, which can subjected to stress if the wearer sits wrong or if the fit of the body of the jacket is close-fitting. And as the quoted directions suggest, this stitching has to be done from the open end of the seam to the closed end so it doesn't distort the lie of the seam. I have no idea what this kind of stitching is called, but if somebody says "Yes, I bet that's fine-drawing," I'll willingly call it that! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Cin >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 2:19 PM >To: h-cost >Subject: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? > >> I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for >> the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover >> edition) >> >> "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then >> fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." > >Dawn, Bjarne, > >I assumed that norah Waugh was using modern (possibly tailor's) >terminology to describe what she saw. The expression wasnt in my >jargon, either. > >I took it to mean blind catch stitching. I got an mid-19thc mans >frock coat in my collection out and examined it. (Oldest relevant >thing I have.) It has that same small inserted bit i the skirting, >near the CB. The amount of skirting is obvious much less than the >1750s. The tailor of this 19th c jacket, formed the pleat, then, >working from the inside, did a catch-stitch abt 1/2 to 1 cm from the >fold to permanently shape the pleat. (Cant quite tell without ripping >the lining.) >Cut of Men's Clothes says to so this working from the hem towards the >waist. I my experiments, I discovered that doing so keeps the hang in >the right spot as errors magnify going hem-wards. >Here's an amazingly bad ASCII drawing: > > inside of garment > /------cb------\ right side pleat > catch stitches at this point ^ \ / >------------------------------------------------ >------------------------- > > outside of garment, viewer would be here > >Clear as mud? > >Originally, I thought it might be tailor's jargon for a french seam, >but, as I had cut the jacket, the skirt almost-CB seam was hidden >behind the pleats. > >Why dont you ask the Savile Row guy who runs to the cutting & >tailoring blog? Post the answer for us, too. >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:49:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NnKef010726 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:49:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NnDn6024879; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NmNhr026130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18NjIZ2076457; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:45:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18NilsO075984 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6yzO-00034z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <7902562.1139442286188.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:44:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA8379.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This sounds really exciting. What an experience to be able to see and handle such stuff! ..... and am I the only one in a peculiar mood today, or did anyone else look at the subject line and think, "Embroidery dating -- how to help your embroidery find its perfect soul mate?" I think it's entirely too close to Valentine's Day.... ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsg5c011054 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsact026761; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMH026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18NMUYV052914; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18NMQIo052832 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 44199 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 23:22:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WVwbqKmotTGwY+VBoaHAQu7eT58fiUVaNVhYPZQ1Fg45JQpTgTgJtXy7p9lNM5ABzJFvw4z89sbxiPUntQsHiHmahDnyTaRGE8b2MQKDQaB3CbDeaLNVpWGQFejaTCjVey2ZPXIJmM47/hG1oqAnlSaqrylSL62nIpbwFP8IYZ4= ; Message-ID: <20060208232225.44197.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:22:25 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:22:25 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating - more info on the banners. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84BC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you to everyone who has helped so far: there is a lot of gold work that fits in with the or nue technique, so here is a more detailed description. (I have rejigged the photos - 1 to 8 is banner one, 9 onwards banner two). There are two banners and I forgot to measure them when I 'met' them on Monday. They are maybe less then 1m long and no more than 25-30cm wide. One has been surrounded by braid and velvet which I do not think is original but could be old-ish. What I found intriguing is the construction which you can partly see because the linen backing is loose where the thread has disappeared. There are two banners, one of which is more complex than the other. 1. Photos 1 to 8. This has not been bordered by the velvet. There are TWO layers of fabric embroidered - the top one has the geometric design and stumpwork, as well as the couched gold thread. Some thread is silver? (and has turned black) but there is a lot of gold. The background around the figures is in a diamond or herringbone textured pattern, while a lot of the figures has been sewn through the two layers in the colourful silk which you can see in pictures on the figures clothing and hair. Stumpwork forms the uprights of the architectural columns but I think this was covered in metal thread - it looks like crazy fine wire now blackened. The bottom figure which is only waist length is part of a different piece of fabric - you can feel the join - and there is no 'temple' design above it. Also the colour of the thread is different. The cords down the border edge of this panel are couched down and you can see bits of gold on them. The shots of the 'ghostly' figures are actually the back of this panel, rather than one unfinished. The silk hasn't faded here and there are some shockingly strong crimsons as well as peachy reds. Between the two layers of this is a crackled paste which seems to join and stiffen the original fabric - linen? Banner two has been joined loosely to the green velvet which is worn in places so re-used. I'm not aware of velvet vestments in my own (Orthodox) church but perhaps other traditions vary? There is no stumpwork an much less gold. The style of the haloes is very different and the background although still geometric, is not so elaborate as the first. Here there are also two layers joined by a (now cracked) paste but I don't want to open it more than a few stitches which have already dissolved. I hope this is of help for those knowledgeable souls who've been kind enough to help so far! Thanks again, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NshKr011055 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsbBA026372; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMJ026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18N79pJ035449; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18N71Nq035275 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:07:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23692 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:37:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:37:23 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering In-Reply-To: <43EA71EB.8090500@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". I've always read it as meaning "of a very fine material"; probably echoing in my mind with the use you hear in "embroidery ground" as meaning the base fabric on which embroidery is done. I have no idea whether this reading is justified; I've never much thought about it! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NslGv011061 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsftp032187; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMN026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MenTe005648; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Meian005479 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.248.691f6c4 (2612) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dune X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have been indulging guilty pleasures. I got the newly issued DVD of "Dune"....another film much hated but I love because I don't find it confusing [and I've never read the books] and again beautifully and perfectly designed by Bob Ringwood. Each planet has a look that has one foot firmly planted in an historical period. The Emperor's court looks like a space age Spanish Renaissance court. The doomed House Atrates bears more than a passing resemblance to Nicolas and Alexandria. The nasty House Harkonan is all plastic and protective wear but the Baron's reevers and collar on his vinyl coat look like a cross between Napoleon and Mad King George. [The "extended version" sux and is kinda like "Dune for Dummies"...with everything explained to you by a narrator who sounds like a cigar smoking trucker [instead of the Emperor's daughter like in the original version. All so unnecessary. I liked that some things were left hanging....or just implied] Anyway...with its story of the oppression of a desert people because their planet is the only place to find the most valuable substance in the universe, and their holy war to gain their independence from cruel occupiers, it all had very creepy overtones it didn't have when it came out. And "Arakis"...the name of the planet, is way too close to "Iraq". Yikes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsoFw011067 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsi2B013930; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMR026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MOvPF088504; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MOsdi088442 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:24:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so6389nzn for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eXjwvTpeRiv++bl9cUucWVN5DUsSq+CyRSuZEXuom9rfSoH0qEjFW2I5ZhaWjZtWwWWZpMUmhAvfck1IzsJXERiWULPQBwa72sfec5YfhZP4GRTKqjKeS8X6pM2F41vwq72P4yeZtMaz58ujhaz+mJF4F1GaZ30/amH1Ptlz1D8= Received: by 10.64.83.19 with SMTP id g19mr388926qbb; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18MOsdi088442 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: fine drawing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84C4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine >drawing should be used. >Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to make an >extra pleat? I'm not sure either. All it says is "the back". Rather vague. >Then she perhaps is meaning that this seam should be very >accurately made with tiny stitches, to hold well, as there only is very >little seam allowance here. Waugh is quoting, sometimes paraphrasing, a mid-18th c tailor's manual. Fine drawing doesnt appear to be small stitches or reinforcement. Waugh/Garsault usually says buckram and or interlining if that's what she/he means. it may well be worth the original questioner's time to find Garsault's book. Perhaps he defines the term. Lalah's comment on ever so slight gather stitches may make sense at this slash area. I didnt use gathers as the tops of the pleats are supposed to lie very flat. The slash (hidden by folding pleats to the inside where it becomes the tiniest of holes) is concealed by a fancy button. I have a different crazy idea: suppose Waugh is talking about the center back seam, not the skirt vent. If you backstitches the seam by hand and pressed it open, the the CB, which takes alot of stress, would only be held by 1 line of stitches. It would be weak. If she means, press the CB seam to the right, then blind stitch or catch stitch the 3 layers (garment & 2 seam allowances) then there is an element of reinforcement. Seems like it would make the seam oddly stiff. This is not my favorite interpretation of the p88 paragraph. I chose to make the interlining strong and capable of taking all the stress of wearing. >... For my gustavian suit, wich has this slash and >extra pleat, i whipstitched the parts together, with very fine stitches. It >perhaps is one of the most difficult places on a coat to make......... Very very true! I covered the slashed edges with the teensiest band of silk organza to contain those stray silk satin fibres of the garment fabric. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsuEh011077 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsoS9019313; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMP026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Mao2I001133; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MaiRC000910 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060208223638.ZUKH19876.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:36:38 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.161.87]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060208223637.KDZC1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:36:37 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.3/254]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:36:39 +1300 Message-ID: <00b901c62d00$209cba70$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <21605220.1139435953984.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? 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Status: RO > I do this at exactly this point, the lower end of the CB seam just above the pleat opening. > It has to be done from the outside. > assuming a vertical seam in the center of this diagram, the stitches would run > I_ > _I > I_ > _I > I have no idea what this kind of stitching is called, but if somebody says "Yes, I bet that's fine-drawing," I'll willingly call it that! I have seen it refered to as ladder stitch. I use it quite often, and was my first though when the initial instructions were to work from the outside. It's used to sew teddy bears and the like after you have stuffed them;) I also used it to join tabs to my doublet bodice. And sleeves to bodices if made up seperately;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com 6 days of digests to go through... oh boy;) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 8/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 19:00:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19002YC011333 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:00:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NxuJN028506; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNML026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MNDqQ086661; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MMvuE086375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:23:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-155.sonic.net [209.148.114.155]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k18MMsuT026389 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:22:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:22:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:59:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA85FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you go to ebay's Collectibles/Vintage Sewing category, without going down into Tools, and search on pinking machine as two words (not a phrase), searching for those words in the listings as well as the titles, there are about ten pinking machines are listed. Which is about the usual number for any given day on eBay. I've thought of getting one off and on. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. > > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 19:24:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k190O4Wd012328 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:24:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k190NtLr005034; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:24:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k190MEN3030854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k190JQ7D011682; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k190JN02011527 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA8201E8; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:19:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 19:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:21:09 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:24:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA8B9B.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain one of these. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > If you go to ebay's Collectibles/Vintage Sewing category, without going > down into Tools, and search on pinking machine as two words (not a > phrase), searching for those words in the listings as well as the > titles, there are about ten pinking machines are listed. Which is about > the usual number for any given day on eBay. I've thought of getting one > off and on. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. > > > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 20:42:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191gnGs015515 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:42:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191ghtE031407; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:42:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k191fMYw042939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191cxaw085417; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191ctcn085381 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so1563uge for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:38:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ANNbf1isXvStIwOat0dXRcOJV5O59gVAvqep2klBnvdoqZEWqSkR/l9l2NbMo6qhgbR8k1+R10sgkSSSkySZKaZ05oZsBWI+B1bh/VDflGRPrGKiiHXcEpFGINkOHZwfEVAU08bwanyalxc1RmRcLxBM2Ezdtv7qi8mCnutu6wA= Received: by 10.48.143.11 with SMTP id q11mr2156576nfd; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.221.19 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0602081738u365507a4g6da54fb8265f6de9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:38:54 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k191ctcn085381 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:42:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA9E13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've also had good luck putting a wet felt hat into a ziplock bag, still slightly open* (a closed ziplock will explode), and microwaving it for 10-15 seconds. It skips the whole using the kettle thing but REMEMBER steam is HOT. The hat will be hot too. If it's an old hat you can wash it is before you steam/microwave it so you're not putting a dirty or stained hat on your head. Wash gently with shampoo, squeezing the water through. Rinse thoroughly. Once it's wet and hot, gently pull the felt onto the block. You may need some strength but don't tug. Wet felt is more fragile than dry felt and it will tear. And then you make a smaller hat with it. Best of luck. Making hats is really fun! LynnD On 2/6/06, kelly grant wrote: > If you have a wool hat, it's incredibly easy to steam it to the shape you > want! You need to find something that will be a good shape for a block, > like a flower pot. Make sure it's a good size to match your head size. > Remove all the addition hat stuff from inside the felt, like the hat band > and such. Then using you kettle, steam the inside of the felt and then pull > it down over the block. Keep trying until you get the desired shape. the > felt will move around quite a bit! > > Have fun! > Kelly in Nova Scotia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wanda Pease" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:48 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat > > > > I'm going to try and make a Tudor Style tall hat with the pleated crown. > > I > > went to the local GoodWill and they had a hat that fitted perfectly of > > 100% > > wool felt. Problem is that it is a domed crown rather than square. Is > > there > > a way to steam that crown and get it fairly fat? > > > > I intend to play with an thick interlining that I have to get the brim > > shape, then I'll cut the actual hat brim. > > > > Does this sound reasonable, or does it sound like it will be more work > > than > > simply creating the under-structure out the interfacing and paper and > > going > > from there? > > > > > > Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey > > Never attribute to malice what can as easily > > be attributed to simple social ineptness > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 20:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191mDWq015620 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:48:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191m6Ge000735; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k191gSsI043089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:42:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191e7K8086329; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191e4KG086276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-183.sonic.net [209.148.113.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k191e2PE013300 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:03 -0800 Message-ID: <43EA9D77.5020609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:40:07 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> <000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:48:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA9F56.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that really works well for that? Fran Lavolta Press http://wwww.lavoltapress.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways > of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain > one of these. > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:19:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JRpW016133 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JLQT011099; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192H0b2047693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192EeQJ016712; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192EblS016653 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.163] (acty1163.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.163]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32935C642 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43EAA583.1080807@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:14:27 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings References: <20060208142217.80053.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060208142217.80053.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k192EblS016653 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:19:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAA6A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >Perhaps I was not clear enough - when I was talking about petticoats, I meant mainly the 19th century of course. The fact is, I was asking if anyone knew a web page or a book where I could read something about fastenings in common - which kind of fastening was used in the middle ages, what in renaissance etc. > For example I'd like to know when did people start to use lace as a fastening - and when buttons. and how did the buttons actually look like? Were they from the same fabric as the garment, or could they have been made of metal? For such questions it is hard to find anywhere an answer. > > >Hi. Part of the reason is that, first, there may not be an existing starting date known for what you ask, and second, different items looked different and were made of differing materials as time went on. There are periods in which, looking at illustrations, sculptures, etc., one can determine that a certain item of clothing had begun to, lets say, be fastened by being laced, but that does not mean that the technique of lacing, for example, shoes did not predate it...Different garments and clothing items have come and gone in terms of fastening. For example, there are small shoe buckles being worn on some styles of shoes up until the 1530s or so, then they go out of style up until the late 1650s 0r early 1660s. Another example would be toggles, which, for a while, were common fasteners on shoes and perhaps purses, but were never (or, at best, rarely) seen on clothing (of which I am aware)until after the periods I reenact, although their close cousins, frogs, were. Another e! xample would be button shapes, which changed from different historical periods as well as cultures. > Any study of fastenings that wasn't done from an archaeological background (IMO), such as that book on the history of striped clothing and it's social meanings (I can't remember the title, not that it matters in the vein of this discussion)will, by it's nature, be rather incomplete and inconclusive. Most authors feel the need, one assumes, in order to sell the book to a wider audience, to make social commentary, which takes away from the purely scholarly aspect of such a work. Your best scenario, in this situation, would be to look at things on a case by case basis.There are many experts (or at least educated amateurs)within this list that can quote chapter and verse on their own areas of specialty, and assist you in their own ways. Good Luck, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:19:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JWni016134 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JPNr029335; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192CTXB047081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192A8S0012643; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f21.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192A5Gv012562 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:10:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:10:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.47] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602082237.k18Mb1rq001349@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:10:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 02:10:04.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0E4DD30:01C62D1D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:19:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAA6AD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >BTW, Marc, your link to "Hawking glove of Henry VIII is broken. :-( I'll try to get it fixed tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:41:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192fvLv016782 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:41:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192fowr019180; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:41:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192fNvd050317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192cfq8036805; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192cbYt036667 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB2602E0; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:38:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 21:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c62d22$2fc649e0$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:40:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:41:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAABEE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Checking the instructions given here, do note that all of the buy-it-now items are art prints! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > If you go to ebay's Collectibles/Vintage Sewing category, without going > down into Tools, and search on pinking machine as two words (not a > phrase), searching for those words in the listings as well as the > titles, there are about ten pinking machines are listed. Which is about > the usual number for any given day on eBay. I've thought of getting one > off and on. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. > > > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:50:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192opMs016930 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:50:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192oirh021954; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192nMLx051425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192l1jK043147; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192kw8a043045 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD1A02DC; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:46:50 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 21:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c62d23$5a1579e0$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com><000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA9D77.5020609@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:48:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:50:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAAE04.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What I like about the nifty tool that I got is that the edging results on soft cotton is a rather dainty feathered effect, On stiffer fabric, it gives the expected sharp zig-zag- pattern. My present project is mainly h-costume inspiration doll clothing and the results for ruschings is simpler but elegant strips that do not require more ornamentation or time to turn the edges. I have plans for Ordinary costume seam finishing to look forward to. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for > pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). > That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on > eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). > > What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard > rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that > really works well for that? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://wwww.lavoltapress.com > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways > > of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain > > one of these. > > Kathleen > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 23:06:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1946UBR018444 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:06:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1946IjQ014671; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:06:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1945hZ7063841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:05:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1943HdY011962; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1943DEq011895 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.37.57 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:03:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.37.57] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20676887.1139412861398.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:03:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:03:12 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 04:03:13.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF3A6010:01C62D2D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:06:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EABFBA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1946UBR018444 Status: RO Thanks, Annette, for putting that great link to the art work of Carlo Crivelli in your article on fastenings. http://www.eleanorlebrun.com/closure.htm Not only have they collected really good reproductions of his works from all over the world, they also enable close-ups of all the interesting details. Three other artists (who seem to be followers of his) are also on the site. Unfortunately, it's all in Italian, sponsored I think by the region of Italy where he lived and worked, and I can't figure out if there are other artists hiding there. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 23:57:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k194vQtb019414 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:57:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k194vJP9030112; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k194uP5q078195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k194s4xG062231; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k194s1MQ062189 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348B6BD0E for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:54:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060208204919.032baab0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:50:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agil ent.com> References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:57:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EACBAF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:54 AM 2/8/2006, you wrote: >At Costume College 2003 there was a class on Medieval and Rennisance >fastenings, which was fascinating, but there were neither handouts, nor >can I find a reference to it on-line, so I can't tell you who the teacher >was...Not very helpful, I know! Hehe... I have a picture of the gentleman who gave that class. It was very good and I took many notes. Peter Worden: Closure in the European Renaissance http://www.kimiko1.com/CC2003/pages/instr04_24.htm Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 02:15:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k197F72C024354 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:15:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k197ExwB004848; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k197EKXL094936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k197BuE7072253; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k197BqNZ072195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 521C1D437A; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB88D4164 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:11:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:11:17 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000201c62d48$18a8d1d0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602090454.k194s5jP062249@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k197BqNZ072195 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Embroidery dating - more info on the banners. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:15:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAEBF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Katherine, Given the dimensions you have cited, these embroideries are definitely orphry bands, not banners, worn around the neck, and over a cope, by a priest. >1. Photos 1 to 8. This has not been bordered by the velvet. There are TWO layers of fabric embroidered - the top one has the geometric design and stumpwork, as well as the couched gold thread. This method was often used by professional houses in order to complete extensive orders quickly, in that the embroidery was broken down into parts, with embroiderers working on each part simultaneously, and then the parts assembled. >Some thread is silver? (and has turned black) but there is a lot of gold. Indeed silver thread was used, not often, but it was used. There is also the possibility some of the silver thread may in fact be inferior quality gold thread which was applied at a later date, either as a repair, or as an embellishment. >The background around the figures is in a diamond or herringbone textured pattern, while a lot of the figures has been sewn through the two layers in the colourful silk which you can see in pictures on the figures clothing and hair. Both of these methods are typical of a great deal of opus anglicanum done by professional houses. >Stumpwork forms the uprights of the architectural columns but I think this was covered in metal thread - it looks like crazy fine wire now blackened. Again, this is a common practice in a great deal of opus anglicanum. Sometimes the stumpwork was so raised that wooden supports were underneath. >The bottom figure which is only waist length is part of a different piece of fabric - you can feel the join - and there is no 'temple' design above it. The entire orphry may in fact be made up of salvaged parts of other pieces of ecclesiastical embroideries. The 'temple' as you describe it, is common to much of opus anglicanum embroideries, known as arches. Many of the arches were cinquefoil in design, although certainly trefoils were used to represent the trinity. >Also the colour of the thread is different. The cords down the border edge of this panel are couched down and you can see bits of gold on them. Which leads me more and more to suspect the orphry is married pieces of salvaged embroideries. This was also a common practice, particularly in the 17th and 18th centuries. >Between the two layers of this is a crackled paste which seems to join and stiffen the original fabric - linen? This is fish glue, or sometimes rabbit's foot glue (inferior), used to secure all the thread ends that would have been left after embroidering, and to give some stiffness to the embroidery. It also becomes an excellent food base for insects. Do not under any circumstances dampen the embroideries, as you will dissolve the glue and perhaps completely destroy the embroidery. Only professional restoration houses can undertake such a delicate operation, done on special washing tables that support the textile which delicate washes of de-ionized, de-mineralized water are allowed to flow and drain. It is to be stressed this method is only used as a last resort, when a textile is extremely dirty or infested. Otherwise fine gauze is placed over the textile and a low-pressure vacuum used with the utmost delicacy. >I'm not aware of velvet vestments in my own (Orthodox) church but perhaps other traditions vary? The famed and peerless Burgundian Vestments are prepared on a red silk velvet. These date to the 15th century. >Here there are also two layers joined by a (now cracked) paste but I don't want to open it more than a few stitches which have already dissolved. See above. How is that you have come to be commissioned to restore these pieces? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 08:26:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19DQPG6027876 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:26:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19DQI81029571; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19DMQbv059682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19CRVXh011830; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19CRRxw011700 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:27:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20d.1232a540 (4254) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.1232a540.311c8f26@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:27:18 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Good Woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:26:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB42FA.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of movies--I went to see "A Good Woman" last night. For those not familiar with it, it is a re-writing of Oscar Wilde's "Lady Windemere's Fan" set in Italy in the 1930s. It is visually stunning--great clothes, and they even figure in the plot! And the screenwriters kept the great Oscar Wilde zingers. Stephen Hunter, the Washington Post critic, likened it to moving around the furniture--the lines are there, but perhaps in different places. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 09:02:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19E2k9R028463 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:02:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19E2e2e011892; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19DurKc071196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:56:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19DsTo9087783; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19DsP5J087686 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F7CFb39Xq-0002xt; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:54:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01ab01c62d80$54d90390$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:54:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Very OT: Cheat Sheet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB4B80.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k19E2k9R028463 Status: RO This is very off topic but I thought maybe this could save you some time... so that you could do some sewing, chatting on h-costume, or other important things in life. I heard this on the news yesterday. A website has a cheat sheet on how to get a real live human-being on the phone when dialing a frequently called businesses and govt. offices in the U.S. This bypasses most prompts and you really get to speak to a person! Cheat Sheets at Get Human.com : http://www.gethuman.com/us/ Please feel free to pass this URL on to your friends. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 10:54:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19FsG2C030444 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:54:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19FsAxg003394; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:54:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19Flafv092341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19Fhuvf096866; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19FhqKF096731 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7DxT-0002U5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:43:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:54:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB65A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Lavolta Press >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 8:40 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > >I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for >pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). >That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on >eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). > >What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard >rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that >really works well for that? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://wwww.lavoltapress.com > >Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >> Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways >> of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain >> one of these. >> Kathleen >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 11:03:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19G35HL030575 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:03:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19G2xFS008610; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19G1FlY095893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19FwV4p013900; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19FwQam013689 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:58:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A69A0238; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:58:18 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 9 Feb 2006 10:58:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c62d91$e74b08c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:00:04 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:03:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB67B3.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah alas, these are for paper Only. I have a friend that uses a rotary cutter that comes with a variety of blades for fancy cuts. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Lavolta Press > >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 8:40 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > > > >I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for > >pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). > >That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on > >eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). > > > >What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard > >rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that > >really works well for that? > > > >Fran > >Lavolta Press > >http://wwww.lavoltapress.com > > > >Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > >> Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways > >> of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain > >> one of these. > >> Kathleen > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 11:13:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19GDQO8030707 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:13:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19GDKho014211; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:13:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19GBB9u097943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19G8Sp9025172; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19G8N1G024952 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 83026 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 16:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 16:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:08:12 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:13:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB6A20.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Maybe I was reading into the lyrics, but it seemed to me that there was an "ask the freaky king for a whopper your way" line in there. liz young otsisto wrote: > Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King character creeps > me out. > De > Former McDonald's crew. > > -----Original Message----- > Dawn, > > My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King that > I would like. > > During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school and > one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. > When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not to > complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion World, > "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this ad > looks very Busby Berkley-ish. > > My favorite was the onion costume. > > Penny E. Ladnier > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 13:39:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19Id7ks001271 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:39:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19Id05t016776; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19IaqCQ022192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19IYYMt075453; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19IYT6E075365 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 22903 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 18:32:45 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:32:45 -0800 Received: from 63.202.5.162 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35507.63.202.5.162.1139510174.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01c62d91$e74b08c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000b01c62d91$e74b08c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:39:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB8C44.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Ah alas, these are for paper Only. I have a friend that uses a rotary > cutter > that comes with a variety of blades for fancy cuts. I bought a wavy rotary cutter to use for 18th c. edging. I haven't used it on a whole outfit but the inital testing worked well. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 15:06:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19K6A2O002728 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19K63NQ026034; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19K5KjJ037431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19K18Ye065944; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19K0klu065413 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61364 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2006 20:00:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ny0prdDAb08qVC3YsG+K0uuA3OMnP2Q85gARTJmtI2Mv0ikjJ15lnER76l/g71KqgK2cUCsDW7wcOLaEVeCsow0bekq7/EJXJSrYzhTu9wCM0r72NHwWYi7iBfhxuw/JdlNSinkvT786KZuGA0V0JzgRmuDeu421AqHdCkCzpOU= ; Message-ID: <20060209200036.61362.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:00:36 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:00:36 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] re: embroidery dating - more info... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:06:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBA0AB.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Lorina [much snippage!] Thank you so much for all your help - I have spent a few hours researching "orphrey" bands and copes and can see how closely these resemble the 15C museum pieces on the web. Wow. I knew they were special but I think, after all, that they are extremely special and definitely museum quality pieces, whether they've been faffed about after construction or not. >Only professional restoration houses can undertake >such a delicate operation, I am recommending that I do absolutely nothing to them (reluctantly) since they are way beyond the original inquiry, which was just to sew bits of them back up so they could be hung on the wall again... !! I've put my client in touch with professional conservators who are qualified to deal with such amazing pieces and a framer who can put it into a suitable acid-neutral environment behind UV-proof glass. (unless, of course, he decides to donate them to a museum. Since the V&A haven't even acknowledged the last thing he sent I have my doubts). >How is that you have come to be commissioned to >restore these pieces? Ah - the customer also collects antique books and these were part of a collection owned by a late friend of his. His bookbinder (an amazing craftsman) is a friend of mine and when he asked if said bookbinder knew anyone who could carefully sew things together... I've previously done repairs to vestments in church, matching brocade motifs invisibly etc., since charcoal sparks have a fatal attraction for the front of the priest's phelonion (or cape)! Since I'm even worrying about the small repairs to an 1870s bustle outfit I have just bought, there's no way I'd touch these. I'm going to try and sketch them and take more notes though, since they are truly droolsome. When I've done that, I'll be sure to let you all know so you can 'visit' again. Cheers, I'm truly grateful, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Status: RO At 20:00 09/02/2006, you wrote: >Dear Lorina > >[much snippage!] > >Thank you so much for all your help - I have spent a >few hours researching "orphrey" bands and copes and >can see how closely these resemble the 15C museum >pieces on the web. Wow. I knew they were special but I >think, after all, that they are extremely special and >definitely museum quality pieces, whether they've been >faffed about after construction or not. > > >Only professional restoration houses can undertake > >such a delicate operation, > >I am recommending that I do absolutely nothing to them >(reluctantly) since they are way beyond the original >inquiry, which was just to sew bits of them back up so >they could be hung on the wall again... !! I've put my >client in touch with professional conservators who are >qualified to deal with such amazing pieces and a >framer who can put it into a suitable acid-neutral >environment behind UV-proof glass. (unless, of course, >he decides to donate them to a museum. Since the V&A >haven't even acknowledged the last thing he sent I >have my doubts). > > > >How is that you have come to be commissioned to > >restore these pieces? > >Ah - the customer also collects antique books and >these were part of a collection owned by a late friend >of his. His bookbinder (an amazing craftsman) is a >friend of mine and when he asked if said bookbinder >knew anyone who could carefully sew things together... > I've previously done repairs to vestments in church, >matching brocade motifs invisibly etc., since charcoal >sparks have a fatal attraction for the front of the >priest's phelonion (or cape)! > >Since I'm even worrying about the small repairs to an >1870s bustle outfit I have just bought, there's no way >I'd touch these. I'm going to try and sketch them and >take more notes though, since they are truly >droolsome. When I've done that, I'll be sure to let >you all know so you can 'visit' again. Katherine Any chance of taking a pattern off that waistcoat while you have access to it. Even the front would be good. 'Scuse my cheek! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 18:06:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19N68Ss005718 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:06:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19N62rF014371; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19N5IFa073597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19N2ll1058563; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:02:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19N2fvW058484 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:02:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k19MxgjG012489 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:59:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602090454.k194s5jQ062249@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBCADA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO (What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that really works well for that? Fran) I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new 18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order $40 tool was required! As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and nobody cleaned or sharpened them? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 18:14:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NEE2B005826 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:14:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NE8iJ017857; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:14:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19ND8eG075012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NAkrL066832; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NAgk3066702 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.da.35e0bd53 (39952) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:10:24 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:10:24 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pinking shears X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:14:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBCCC0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/9/06 7:04:48 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > And > how would you sharpen something like that anyway? When I got my first pair of pinking shears (just normal zig-zaggy ones) I was told they can be professionally sharpened once, and that's it - any more and they can't guaratee that the teeth will still meet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 18:57:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NvL6p006450 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:57:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NvFHr000342; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:57:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19NunVN080768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NsJc2007121; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NsE9X007042 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B604D338DA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:54:13 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:54:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:57:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBD6DB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have found that the scalloped worked okay on broadcloth and lightweight. It was used for the decorative parts of a costume. It may have been that they became dull with their first use because there were times the edge was fray checked before the cut and so, they did not cut heavy material, kind of gnawed the edge. De -----Original Message----- Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 19:14:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0EID8006762 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:14:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0ECCG005969; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:14:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A0ChKL082716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A0AKet020832; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:10:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1A0AHEi020689 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:10:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 95845 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 00:10:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ikc0OJWzf7Jct79AwLuJeEbLApDmGbT4NpgRHLTjnuc9NMmjlpH5PFvmO5EN6K7jTOFgPLFVZcxsuje1LPt9ws1tYEIhz0TmdFd7lGJJEESe7oj/526PoUp8cdaRt87fiKVsaOrQ5GKiv71XoQXRQESFpDxIXovnWh9ccndS2KQ= ; Message-ID: <20060210001003.95837.qmail@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:10:03 PST Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: RE: [h-cost] pinker alert- fancy sissors To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:14:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBDAD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I used the really fancy edged ones on fabric which had been applied to lightweight fusible glue. It made a nice edge and the fusible didn't seem to gum up the blades at all. --- otsisto wrote: > I have found that the scalloped worked okay on > broadcloth and lightweight. > It was used for the decorative parts of a costume. > It may have been that > they became dull with their first use because there > were times the edge was > fray checked before the cut and so, they did not cut > heavy material, kind of > gnawed the edge. > De > > -----Original Message----- > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of > pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of > designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them > advertised only in art-supply > catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to > paper. I'm always tempted > to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, > deep pink, > deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated > dags...and can't afford to > buy them all! > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried > them? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 19:35:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0ZdKF006992 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0ZXJ2013501; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:35:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A0Teg3084898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A0RHbv035835; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A0R6Bo035732 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:27:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (unknown [69.69.164.212]) by smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D6932C037 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:27:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:26:21 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <000701c62dd8$ae5eebc0$0500a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBDFD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO <> I do. Works like a charm, but apparently mine was maintained properly. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 21:12:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A2Cjsh008308 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:12:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A2CdhA013129; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:12:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A2BbWs095073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A29ClF016495; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A299xf016395 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:09:03 -0800 Message-ID: <43EBF5C3.7030708@msn.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:09:07 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Linen References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FDEE@denpexmb01-dex-bup> In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FDEE@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2006 02:09:03.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6FA88E0:01C62DE6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:12:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBF697.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I believe I actually ordered a swatch of this. It was not very fine, but rather more like the Russian medium weight linen you get at http://www.fabrics-store.com/ But this is not to say all Italian Linen is like this. The swatch service is fast and cheap and totally worth the money.... Sg McClure, Kate wrote: >Hello! > >De-lurking for a moment . . . > >While perusing the web, I stumbled onto something called Italian linen, >which can be found here: > >http://tinyurl.com/a826d >Does anyone know how this would compare to Irish linen? Or is it just a >different name for the same thing? > >Kate McClure >Grand Pooh-Bah >Beyond Reality Costumers Guild >www.brcg.org > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 22:20:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3KOb7009353 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:20:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3KDBW001523; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A3J9DP003226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A3Gkpk065636; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1A3GhnX065573 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 89482 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 03:16:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yabSNw5jvtkxFNTDHYqHiZjwSo7TSepxTvGNSUBJiZ83IjdjVWTGey8ajdKYQkFK0KskwL29mqoCwjsUY2b75ZJLLKDZNcxnxebwzVk6LBLQBtYhsBE/bpzKhoePfRGVl4qb7yxCUS9dh7uhe2v6c9EMyGF20lYJPl+4nIWnNrA= ; Message-ID: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:16:37 PST Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43EA71EB.8090500@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC066D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I asked my son, who is studing midieval lit, if he had any ideas. He wants to know the line reference for this passage so he can read it in context. --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's > got on her head in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word > "ground" in the first > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could > translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very > fine texture". > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but > perhaps I missed > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! > Does anyone have > other information about this? > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 22:36:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3aCkF009604 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:36:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3a6IV006472; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:36:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A3ZlI7005019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:35:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A3XOkR078690; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A3XKj1078608 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05338 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:03:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:03:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering In-Reply-To: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:36:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC0A26.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's > > got on her head ... Just occurred to me, Laura Hodges would certainly have addressed this in her book on "Chaucer and Costume," which has chapters on most or all of the secular pilgrims. (The religious and academic pilgrims are addressed in the sequel, "Chaucer and Clothing.") (Melanie, you may have already met Laura at K'zoo, and she'll be there this year too.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 00:31:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5VdhS011016 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:31:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5VWxW009122; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:31:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A5Uqw2017082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5SRGV061412; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5SOfU061327 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A47003CC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:28:16 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 00:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c62e03$0a2def80$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c62dd8$ae5eebc0$0500a8c0@genteelarts> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:29:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:31:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC2534.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO and my 'new' one sure works like new. I was surprised how sharp the cut was.. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking > < that actually works?>> > > I do. Works like a charm, but apparently mine was maintained properly. > > Carolann Schmitt > cschmitt@genteelarts.com > www.genteelarts.com > Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 00:38:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5cZ31011085 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:38:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5cTKJ010842; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A5c7km017865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5Zktj066723; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5ZgAP066642 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A627030C; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:35:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 00:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c62e04$0dd2bf20$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:37:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:38:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC26D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, have any of you had a problem using someone else's scissors? It is kid of like a lefty using mine, or me using theirs. Some how, using a person's cutting tool is never quite like using one's own. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Kelly" To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking > > > (What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard > rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that > really works well for that? Fran) > > I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan > Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can > make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: > http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new > 18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap > alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people > looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order > $40 tool was required! > > As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one > that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now > defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and > they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your > seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and > nobody cleaned or sharpened them? > > Martha > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 08:15:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADF3UM017329 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:15:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADEvek026562; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:15:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ADEB1P086286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADBjGa078315; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:11:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ADBed0078235 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66411 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 13:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 13:11:39 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:09:41 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Suzi Clarke Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] O.T. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:15:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC91D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator friend, and see what I can see. Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course find out what I'll be allowed to see!! A very excited Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 08:32:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADWNAa018519 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:32:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADWHTc000430; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:32:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ADVQMQ087500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADT4GT089911; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ADT0kv089858 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27380 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 13:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 13:28:59 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210132616.01dde5c0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:27:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re Washington DC In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC95E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry, got distracted booking the flights, and forgot to put a header. >I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone >knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the >Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator >friend, and see what I can see. > >Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course >find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >A very excited Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 09:02:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE2Hv6020480 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:02:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE29nX012376; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:02:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ADvwoc090559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADsk9T010011; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADsgBX009852 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.144.56211087 (62976) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:54:28 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:54:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re Washington DC To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC9CE1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What period are you interested in? I can make some suggestions. I don't think there are any reasonably priced hotels within walking distance, but you can look for an outlying hotel that is either near a Metro stop or has shuttle service to a Metro stop. There is also a hostel somewhere in downtown DC--I'm sure you can find that through a web search. If you are interested in early 19th century, please come see us at Riversdale--we are a historic house museum that interprets primarily 1801-1821. Alas, we have no costume collection. We are on a bus line that comes from a Metro stop. Ann Wass Riversdale House Museum 4811 Riverdale Rd. Riverdale Park MD 20737 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 09:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE8dxW020952 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE8Y5M014775; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AE81jE091791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AE5dDk018824; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AE5Zde018736 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09534 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:36:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:36:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC9E62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone > knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the > Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator > friend, and see what I can see. If I still lived there, I'd offer to have you stay with me! But I moved six years ago, sorry. I don't think there's such a thing as a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the Smithsonian! It is located in the middle of all the federal buildings, and the hotels I can think of near there are extraordinarily ritzy. Fortunately the public transit in Washington is quite civilized, and the bulk of the Smithsonian museums (located on the Mall) are served by three stops: the Smithsonian stop at the west, the Archives at the Northeast, and L'Enfant Plaza at the south. The Portrait Museum and the American Art museum are a bit further north from the Mall, and served by the Gallery Place stop. So whatever line you come in on, you are not too far. Just make sure you stay at a hotel that is walking distance from a Metro stop! You can find some quite reasonable in Arlington (on the Virginia side) and Rockville (on the Maryland side); anything in Virginia on a Metro line will be rather closer to the Smithsonian and have a shorter ride. > Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course > find out what I'll be allowed to see!! Don't forget the National Gallery, which is operated separately from the Smithsonian (and of much more interest to me from a costume standpoint); it is also located on the Mall, at the Archives end. There are also a number of private collections of art and artifacts, including the Textile Museum, scattered around town, some harder to reach than others. Your focus will depend on your period of interest. For instance, for people interested in medieval Europe, I usually recommend the National Gallery, the Library of Congress, the Folger Shakespeare Library (for Elizabethan), Dumbarton Oaks (for Byzantine in particular), the National Cathedral (for its bookstore), and the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore -- in other words, not the Smithsonian at all. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 09:14:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AEEvCW021416 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:14:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AEEpIT017632; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:14:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AEE3HC092479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AEBfA8023189; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AEBblE023135 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3164 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 14:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 14:11:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210140638.01dd7628@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:09:34 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re Washington DC In-Reply-To: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC9FDB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:54 10/02/2006, you wrote: >What period are you interested in? I can make some suggestions. > >I don't think there are any reasonably priced hotels within walking >distance, but you can look for an outlying hotel that is either near >a Metro stop or >has shuttle service to a Metro stop. There is also a hostel somewhere in >downtown DC--I'm sure you can find that through a web search. > >If you are interested in early 19th century, please come see us at >Riversdale--we are a historic house museum that interprets >primarily 1801-1821. Alas, >we have no costume collection. We are on a bus line that comes from a Metro >stop. > >Ann Wass >Riversdale House Museum >4811 Riverdale Rd. >Riverdale Park MD 20737 Ann That's a lovely invitation - thank you. I'm interested in most periods, as I make everything except 20th century and modern. It will rather depend on how long we are in Washington - yet to be decided in consultation with our hostess. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:07:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AG70ES005034 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:07:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AG6sk6018597; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:06:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AG5jCE007667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG3KPK022279; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:03:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:ZmM+CmYI5FEyft2HNYAGcQGSW4p4iJYR@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG3Fo8022181 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.222] (206-124-5-222.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.222]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k1AG1Q317687 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:01:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:04:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:06:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECBA1E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell a few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one wants them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization I might donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went out of style really fast. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:12:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGCDLM005950 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGC74a021739; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AGBPZc009122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG8aKR028469; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG8WnM028298 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.79.554410e1 (3874) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:08:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <79.554410e1.311e1476@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:08:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:10:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > Don't forget the National Gallery, A truly great art museum....with a room full of el Grecos, 4 Vermeers, a portrait by Leonardo and one by Holbein [you see those all the time, right? :-P] my fave Gainsborough [Mrs. Sheridan] and Whistler's "Symphony in White". And the East Wing has a room of Calder sculptures and lots of Rothkos, which I love. I think around the time you're there a big Rousseau exhibit will be there too. None of that had to do with costume and clothes but this does.... You MUST see the Museum of the American Indian!!! It is amazing! And full of amazing garments. It's so beautiful, even before you walk in. It's right next to the smooth, shiny, sleek, rectangular, right-angled, polished stone Air and Space museum. But it is earthy yellow, rough hewn, curving, with zero right angles. There is flowing and cascading water all around and it was landscaped with maize and tobacco. Inside, everything is designed. The exhibits are unusual and beautiful. There isn't one for clothes but garments are everywhere...mainly in the tribal religion exhibits on the 4th floor. My fave garment is from a Northern Canadian tribe: a parka made of seal intestine. It looks just like a regular parka: y'know mid thigh length and a hood and all. But it's composed of horizontal strips a few inches wide that are translucent, like wax paper. I'll bet it's water proof. And a South American tribe weaves these cotton poncho-like shirts with intricate 3-D geometrics in white on white woven into the fabric. So beautiful! I want one. The cafeteria and gift shop have unusual and wonderful stuff [but of course expensive...but, what the hell, you only live once]. A friend of mine had just had a baby; I almost got her a cradle board for her papoose. [I should have] Anyway..have fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGGtBG006929 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGGn3Y024404; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AGGDhh009703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGDVM3033605; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGDR3m033456 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.238.6a53846 (15901) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d43ecbb9e8b; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:13:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> References: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:13:17 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECBC71.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1AGGtBG006929 Status: RO What a shame! All that work and investment just sitting around without a home. If you don't find a "human" home for them, maybe you can donate them to the local humane society, they can probably use them as "snuggle toys" for the caged critters. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 10, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell > a few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one > wants them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization > I might donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went > out of style really fast. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:39:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGdBmg011302 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:39:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGd6Nx004973; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:39:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AGcatT012517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGaEpu055846; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fsmail.lynchburg.edu (fsmail.lynchburg.edu [161.115.184.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGa8KY055736 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formo@lynchburg.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Washington DC Thread-Index: AcYuXWTQxaWVhLYPQ5m3Jve1+2UuigAARX6A From: "Formo, Nathan" To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1AGa8KY055736 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:39:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECC1AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My family relies on Hotel Harrington. It's basically 2 blocks from everything. 1 blocks to the Old Post office for good cheap food. 2 blocks from Fords Theater and Hard Rock Café 1.5 blocks to the nearest metro station 2 blocks from Museum of Natural History and the rest of the Smithsonian. http://www.hotel-harrington.com/mapdrivingdirections.htm The rates are of course a little more expensive then a Motel 6 in the middle of nowhere but we haven't yet found anything cheaper and more conveniently located. If you've got a group going you can't beat some of their larger room prices. I always recommend this to friends and family. We've never had any problems walking around at night and since it's so close to everything we save quite a bit on transportation. Small note. The parking garage is a few blocks away. We unload at the hotel and then send someone to go park the car while the others check in. Once you park just leave the car until your stay is over. There's no reason to try driving around DC if you don't have to. BjÇ«rn Arnaldsson Lord Bjorn Arnaldsson Barony of Black Diamond >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:09:41 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] O.T. >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone >knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the >Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator >friend, and see what I can see. > >Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course >find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >A very excited Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 12:39:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AHdf1g022862 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:39:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AHdZ7j005507; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:39:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AHcONb021943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHZXV2016817; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AHZQhm016613 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 90944 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 17:35:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aiEHvU639lHgRpM9Wr/nFWa5a7u0Xw9HhhYup3bcKnWXl/wX2wy0CBboCzRpnM31PfvkD2yTPJdAOvjneGLsx/La6pUVZoJnMUPASCv+93liJ9BCX2jXWH64QgIsjA91wekcbX6P4jeDScu3ZG3LwjrpMjAs7OjuAcLIsXacNkw= ; Message-ID: <20060210173521.90942.qmail@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:35:20 PST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:39:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECCFD7.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Could you possibly transform them into something else? What if you sewed them in rows onto a base and made a fluffy throw? Or a floor pillow? Cut them up the middle and you have fringe you could apply to another block of fleece and make a poncho. --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas > that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them > all. I did sell a > few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of > them and no one wants > them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an > organization I might > donate them to? They're really warm but > unfortunately, went out of > style really fast. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:07:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AI6wuM028277 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:06:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AI6qCp020091; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:06:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AHwn7A024752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHtFkX037565; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHtAFR037374 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15ACA296B for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:55:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43ECD393.3010904@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:55:31 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity References: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:06:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD63C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell a > few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one wants > them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization I might > donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went out of > style really fast. My suggestion would be a senior center or shelter that hands out coats in the winter. Scarves would probably be welcome there, too. Sometimes radio stations do coat drives, if you called around you might get contact info. You can also look for the Freecycle group in your area (freecycle.org) and ask on the message board. I see folks from smaller charities on our group all the time. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:12:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AICuda029376 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:12:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AICpBp023418; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:12:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AICOtT026792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AI9Yip052566; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19G2ulJ018921 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8Y35XACSSXEA for (sender ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGSFRSMG; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:00:56 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:44:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering Message-ID: <20060209.075959.3556.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:865136378 X-MAIL-INFO: 1597abdbabda9afada9aca4a9aca2b9b1fba87b75a33babe3bf35a13be172acfbef7aa7797ae97d363ca1a9a974a X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgios/LtXEC6inlrFtz92NPY= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:12:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD7A3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Could 'ground' refer to a ground fabric in the embroidery sense of the word? In this period, likely being linen? Arlys, who hasn't a clue On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 Melanie Schuessler writes: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head > in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone > have > other information about this? > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:17:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIH5pp030131 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:17:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIGx3o025553; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIGbeK027272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AICo5h055403; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19G6jJ3023075 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A203A296B for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:06:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:06:55 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:17:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD89B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner I have a pair I bought when I made my wedding invitations, and I didn't think they were all that good on paper. The handles were small and hurt my hands -- though they cut ok -- I found them unpleasant to use. They probably would have worked on fabric when new, but they won't now. And how would you sharpen something like that anyway? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:22:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIMQQJ030454 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:22:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIMKwB028717; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:22:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AILuOr028876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIIrrq060902; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.cwo.com (mail3.cwo.com [209.210.78.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19GgsCe061671 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roses@cwo.com) Received: from webmail.cwo.com (web3.cwo.com [209.210.78.47]) by mail.cwo.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19GgKJk014951 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:42:20 -0800 Received: from 205.225.207.97 (SquirrelMail authenticated user roses) by webmail.cwo.com with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:42:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <39495.205.225.207.97.1139503374.squirrel@webmail.cwo.com> In-Reply-To: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> References: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:42:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes From: "Stephanie Rose" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD9DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I heard that too, and thought like you that maybe I was reading that into the lyrics. I feel he is creepy too. Steph Maybe I was reading into the lyrics, but it seemed to me that there was > an "ask the freaky king for a whopper your way" line in there. > > liz young > > otsisto wrote: >> Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King character >> creeps >> me out. >> De >> Former McDonald's crew. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Dawn, >> >> My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King >> that >> I would like. >> >> During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school >> and >> one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. >> When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not >> to >> complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion >> World, >> "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this >> ad >> looks very Busby Berkley-ish. >> >> My favorite was the onion costume. >> >> Penny E. Ladnier >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:26:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIQP4u030628 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIQKwF031004; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIPsqG031351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIN8L2064944; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19Hg4XQ022902 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:42:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([65.95.66.50]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060209174202.KYIN10262.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:42:02 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060209124030.00baccf0@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:41:31 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Help Identify 19th Century Painting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECDACC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I'm trying very hard to identify the artist in this painting. The only information that I have is " the artist and his brother 1839". Does anyone recognize this? I've broken the address up so it will process through the list. Is there a better way to do this? Suzi has already been so kind to suggest Pre-Raphaelite painters. I also have a vague thought of the German (or Austrian?) schools but extensive searching has still not helped. http:/ /photobucket. com/albums/v320/DLuckham/Drawn%20Bonnet/?action=view¤t=artistandbrother1839.jpg Thanks so much for any help you can give, Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:41:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIf7B5031501 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIf1dv007590; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIe8P6035353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIb6tU077365; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AEWnLl038705 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 16363 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 14:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 14:32:48 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210142455.01dd30c0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:30:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECDE3D.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:36 10/02/2006, you wrote: >On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone > > knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the > > Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator > > friend, and see what I can see. > >If I still lived there, I'd offer to have you stay with me! But I moved >six years ago, sorry. > >I don't think there's such a thing as a not-too-expensive hotel within >walking distance of the Smithsonian! It is located in the middle of all >the federal buildings, and the hotels I can think of near there are >extraordinarily ritzy. > >Fortunately the public transit in Washington is quite civilized, and the >bulk of the Smithsonian museums (located on the Mall) are served by three >stops: the Smithsonian stop at the west, the Archives at the Northeast, >and L'Enfant Plaza at the south. The Portrait Museum and the American Art >museum are a bit further north from the Mall, and served by the Gallery >Place stop. > >So whatever line you come in on, you are not too far. Just make sure you >stay at a hotel that is walking distance from a Metro stop! You can find >some quite reasonable in Arlington (on the Virginia side) and Rockville >(on the Maryland side); anything in Virginia on a Metro line will be >rather closer to the Smithsonian and have a shorter ride. > > > Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course > > find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >Don't forget the National Gallery, which is operated separately from the >Smithsonian (and of much more interest to me from a costume standpoint); >it is also located on the Mall, at the Archives end. There are also a >number of private collections of art and artifacts, including the Textile >Museum, scattered around town, some harder to reach than others. > >Your focus will depend on your period of interest. For instance, for >people interested in medieval Europe, I usually recommend the National >Gallery, the Library of Congress, the Folger Shakespeare Library (for >Elizabethan), Dumbarton Oaks (for Byzantine in particular), the National >Cathedral (for its bookstore), and the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore -- >in other words, not the Smithsonian at all. Thanks so much for the advice. I don't have any particular period of interest - as a professional costumer I simply make what I am paid for! So as I am so short of time (hopefully there will be more time another trip) I just want to catch what I can! As I live in London, and manage to get to Europe a lot (the Louvre, the Prado etc) I don't really need to see European stuff. (Or Tudor/Shakespeare for that matter - born and bred in Warwickshire!). I suppose I mostly make Georgian costume, in all its years, including Regency of course. I think I like making corsets most, so maybe that should be my focus - I don't know - I know there is so much out there just waiting to be seen - decisions, decisions.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:55:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AItONS032254 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:55:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AItIak017834; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:55:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIskB1038196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIqEdj092469; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:52:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19KiK1j014586 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:44:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96721656B for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:44:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:40:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune In-Reply-To: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> References: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:55:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE196.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:40 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: >I got the newly issued DVD of "Dune"....another film much hated but I love >because I don't find it confusing [and I've never read the books] While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the original movie with extended info), the books are so much better imho. If you haven't read them, do, at least the first three books. I've read most of that series, and the first three are much better, with the story going whacky imho after that. But I will also admit to enjoying the SciFi movie costumes very much, even if the storylines are a bit changed. It's been a long while since I saw the original movie (when it came out in the theatre, and again when the extended aired on tv although I vaguely watched it because I was working), so I won't comment there. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:57:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIv9iE032287 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIv3JP015912; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIuOPf038485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIqPuc092720; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19LGQ6l049061 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.298.53944ac (16086) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M22 (mblk-m22.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.66]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed643ebb12232e; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 From: tearoses@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.143.196.38 by MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.66) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.66 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE1FF.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by Trasko? Is it any good? Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:11:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBov5032641 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBiKZ028894; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJBKqP040558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ93pT007737; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A58J6i048016 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:08:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=f0v0WIImHiRD+vURr8UcCtx7B/1inwvKNhvORD1knXSrtsCmaq38yOt+r4ixUUlz; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.214] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F7QW1-0004V8-Cq for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:08:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b56b2f7f363b532888494a1ca0e1c04ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.214 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE570.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Rebecca wrote: >I asked my son, who is studing midieval lit, if he had > any ideas. He wants to know the line reference for > this passage so he can read it in context. The lines are #453-455 in the General Prologue. The wife's description is between that of the physician and the parson. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:11:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBjsv032637 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBdeT029236; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJBKsP040559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ8uV5007585; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AD5og5074330 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.64.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.64] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7XyA-00039G-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:05:50 -0500 Message-ID: <43EC9D9E.1030908@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:05:18 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE56B.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO REBECCA BURCH wrote: > I asked my son, who is studing midieval lit, if he had > any ideas. He wants to know the line reference for > this passage so he can read it in context. In the copy I have it's line 453 and following. Thanks, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:12:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJCMBR032663 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:12:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJCE8P022520; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:12:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJ6nWR039774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ3aBU002510; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ3VMQ002330 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:03:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2a0.5488f52 (4246) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:58:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2a0.5488f52.311e3c43@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:58:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 11:18:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: And full of amazing garments. They have just opened an exhibit that focuses on the Northwest Coast tribes, so there are wonderful hats and button blankets, among other things. I haven't been to the museum yet, but will definitely go to see this exhibit. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:13:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJD75d032686 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJD0jn018132; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJCQlh040749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJA4jH008861; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ0hZN000118 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kalawton@codexpublishing.ca) Received: from kal ([161.184.24.106]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060210190027.LMVT20759.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@kal> for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:00:27 -0700 From: "Keri-Anne Lawton" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:00:21 -0700 Organization: Codex Publishing Group Message-ID: <001a01c62e74$3fbb4780$7a19b8a1@kal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE5BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know how extensive this article is but I just found it last night looking for something else. http://www.housebarra.com/EP/ep04/08romanhair.html Hope it's at least a starting point. Keri-Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of tearoses@aol.com Sent: February 9, 2006 2:16 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Hi, Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by Trasko? Is it any good? Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 09/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:14:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJEian032728 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJEbBH031112; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJE8Hr041065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJBTte010179; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AD74pJ075151 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:07:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.64.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.64] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7XzM-0003KJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:07:04 -0500 Message-ID: <43EC9DE8.1000703@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:06:32 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE61E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Just occurred to me, Laura Hodges would certainly have addressed this in > her book on "Chaucer and Costume," which has chapters on most or all of > the secular pilgrims. (The religious and academic pilgrims are addressed > in the sequel, "Chaucer and Clothing.") > > (Melanie, you may have already met Laura at K'zoo, and she'll be there > this year too.) :) Yes, I thought of that book, and how I don't have it. Thanks, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:16:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJFxNa032761 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJFrb4032027; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJFRPM041279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJCBSa010857; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AH3HXn085751 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14776 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 17:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 17:03:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210165853.01d64a00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:01:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC In-Reply-To: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg. edu> References: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1AH3HXn085751 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE669.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:36 10/02/2006, you wrote: >My family relies on Hotel Harrington. It's >basically 2 blocks from everything. >1 blocks to the Old Post office for good cheap food. >2 blocks from Fords Theater and Hard Rock Café >1.5 blocks to the nearest metro station >2 blocks from Museum of Natural History and the rest of the Smithsonian. >http://www.hotel-harrington.com/mapdrivingdirections.htm > >The rates are of course a little more expensive >then a Motel 6 in the middle of nowhere but we >haven't yet found anything cheaper and more >conveniently located. If you've got a group >going you can't beat some of their larger room >prices. I always recommend this to friends and >family. We've never had any problems walking >around at night and since it's so close to >everything we save quite a bit on transportation. > >Small note. The parking garage is a few blocks >away. We unload at the hotel and then send >someone to go park the car while the others >check in. Once you park just leave the car >until your stay is over. There's no reason to >try driving around DC if you don't have to. Thank you - that's very helpful. Parking won't be a problem - we fly in from London, spend a couple of days in Washington, and then go to stay with our friend. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:17:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJHI2I000321 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJHClF032759; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJGoU0041543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJEQDr012879; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AFuL4q014842 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A79F029C; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:56:15 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 10:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c62e5a$c3e46f60$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:57:51 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE6B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We are contemplating on a trip there at about the same time. My husband has been cruising the B&B sites and has actually found one or two slightly under $100, with easy access to PT. Perhaps another resource. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. > > On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone > > knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the > > Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator > > friend, and see what I can see. > > If I still lived there, I'd offer to have you stay with me! But I moved > six years ago, sorry. > > I don't think there's such a thing as a not-too-expensive hotel within > walking distance of the Smithsonian! It is located in the middle of all > the federal buildings, and the hotels I can think of near there are > extraordinarily ritzy. > > Fortunately the public transit in Washington is quite civilized, and the > bulk of the Smithsonian museums (located on the Mall) are served by three > stops: the Smithsonian stop at the west, the Archives at the Northeast, > and L'Enfant Plaza at the south. The Portrait Museum and the American Art > museum are a bit further north from the Mall, and served by the Gallery > Place stop. > > So whatever line you come in on, you are not too far. Just make sure you > stay at a hotel that is walking distance from a Metro stop! You can find > some quite reasonable in Arlington (on the Virginia side) and Rockville > (on the Maryland side); anything in Virginia on a Metro line will be > rather closer to the Smithsonian and have a shorter ride. > > > Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course > > find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > > Don't forget the National Gallery, which is operated separately from the > Smithsonian (and of much more interest to me from a costume standpoint); > it is also located on the Mall, at the Archives end. There are also a > number of private collections of art and artifacts, including the Textile > Museum, scattered around town, some harder to reach than others. > > Your focus will depend on your period of interest. For instance, for > people interested in medieval Europe, I usually recommend the National > Gallery, the Library of Congress, the Folger Shakespeare Library (for > Elizabethan), Dumbarton Oaks (for Byzantine in particular), the National > Cathedral (for its bookstore), and the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore -- > in other words, not the Smithsonian at all. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:34:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJY5lb000778 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJXxfR011656; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJXiRJ044035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJV2QS028544; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJUrS0028271 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1c5.39c94112 (57293) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:30:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c5.39c94112.311e43e1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:30:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEAA7.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here are a bunch of Roman images. Some women's busts ['Carry my bust with pride!"] show a variety of hairstyles. _Roman Clothing II Images_ (http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing_images.html) _http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing_images.html_ (http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing_images.html) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:39:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJd7m0000874 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJd141015005; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJOYkB042594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIXH3v074105; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19NTATc084078 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40574 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 23:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 23:29:08 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060209232242.01dd5a08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:27:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking In-Reply-To: References: <200602090454.k194s5jQ062249@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEBD5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:02 09/02/2006, you wrote: >(What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard >rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that >really works well for that? Fran) I have pinking tools that are about the size of the top of my thumb, one with zigzags, and one with tiny curves, which is lovely. I also have a couple of others - all antiques. Someone made one for me, but it is heavy and not really quite as easy to use as the "real" ones. Unfortunately they all could do with a bit of sharpening, and I really don't want to send them to the U.S just for that - I will have to try and find someone in England who can do it properly. Suzi >I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan >Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can >make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: >http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new >18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap >alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people >looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order >$40 tool was required! > >As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one >that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now >defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and >they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your >seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and >nobody cleaned or sharpened them? > >Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:48:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJmckS001282 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJmWTW021095; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJjlaK045620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJhM7A040369; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJhGsT040230 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:43:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:43:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:43:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2006 19:43:16.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C638240:01C62E7A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEE10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try watching the latest series on HBO or Cimemax, Called Ceasar. It's great. It portrays all the nasty things people think but pretend don't happen in society. Just proves that nothing is new, even sexual orientation, seduction, powergrabs and political arrangements through sex. The costumes are very period. It has regional sources and difference of class as well. I love it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? > I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore > really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by > Trasko? Is it any good? > > Thanks! > Tea Rose > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:54:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJs2t2001414 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:54:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJru8J024266; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJrQL2046787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:53:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJoMrU047236; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJoGbv047033 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.278.4a07cc2 (57293) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <278.4a07cc2.311e4868@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:50:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEF54.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 2:47:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: Try watching the latest series on HBO or Cimemax, Called Ceasar. But if you want hairstyles on film.....you cannot beat Fellini's "Satyricon". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 15:03:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AK3Ftg001545 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AK39a3029685; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AK28hc048137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJwjPT054884; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:58:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net (anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJwYSE054642 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]:2394 "EHLO anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S461042AbWBJS6V (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:58:21 +0000 Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F7dT7-000El8-85 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:58:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:56:51 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] 16th Century Effigies - loops! 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I passed this on to my sister, who works for Hampshire Council's library service. Their local studies department hadn't heard of the project and send their thanks back round the loop for the information! Jean Penny Ladnier wrote >Passing this alone from another list... > >Good news! A brand new research resource for c16th dress arrives on line - a >pilot database of images is available at: > >http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies > >This is the first stage of a project to photograph and make available >photographs of Tudor effigies in UK churches. The pilot database contains 44 >effigies with photographs of items and features of dress. This represents >about two per cent of the material that could be compiled from similar >sources. > >Eventually, each effigy and its details will have a description with >appropriate c16th terms and an explanation of how they were worn. > >The database has been compiled by Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies at Winchester >School of Art. Feedback on the usefulness of the images and suggestions for >improvement will help with an application for continued funding for the >project. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com >Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com >Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 15:14:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKE5du001756 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:14:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKDvP0003442; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:14:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AKDdSC049826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKBHRX065814; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKBBkx065715 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236B03FC54 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43e02ad1.93b96 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD7PNfiBPiUAIAAAAB,1f75eae5fb1f1ddd9c6967ebd2ac57ff Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.12] Message-Id: <20060210121111.23AFCA85@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:14:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECF405.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Somehow, I don't think that a linen veil would be so heavy as to weight ten pounds on her head. Could she have had on some kind of really elaborate hat or headgear? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 Melanie Schuessler writes: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head > in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone > have > other information about this? > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 15:45:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKjLWB002662 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKjFX4021408; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:45:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AKhwFx054237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:43:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKfXob093626; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AKfSnk093553 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 25557 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 12:41:27 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25549, pid: 25552, t: 0.6313s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 12:41:27 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060210123818.02378cd0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:41:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering In-Reply-To: <20060210121111.23AFCA85@dm20.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060210121111.23AFCA85@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:45:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECFB5B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It sounds to me like a sartirical comment that her headdress was really overdone. I think his reference to "ten pound" is hyperbole, as when we may say that something "weighs a ton" when all we mean is that it is "very heavy". Joan At 12:11 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote: >Somehow, I don't think that a linen veil would be so heavy as to >weight ten pounds on her head. Could she have had on some kind of >really elaborate hat or headgear? > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 Melanie Schuessler > writes: > > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head > > in > > the Canterbury Tales: > > > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > > > > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". > > > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed > > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone > > have > > other information about this? > > > > Thanks, > > Melanie Schuessler > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Netscape. just the net you need >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:05:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AL4wXn002986 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AL4q6h032325; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AL3xBl056932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:03:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AL1VpJ014956; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AL1N32014811 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56451 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 21:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 21:01:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210205732.01d594e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:59:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Piecework" in the U.K X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:04:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECFFF4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The kind and helpful ladies at Piecework have given me the following address where people in the U.K. can order a subscription or back copies of "Piecework", and other American sewing related magazines. http://www.hangingbyathread.co.uk/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:33:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALXZML003528 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALXTvp015711; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALVFPo059989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALSSTf041563; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALSOGk041434 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A56E01F0; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:28:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:28:00 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c62e89$25af98e0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:29:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED06A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Based on about 6/8 items in my antique inventory that this garment is trying to emulate, bodices in this decade of the new pattern are always boned...in addition to having the corset boned. The relaxed look would only be seen in the reformed dress (sans corset) and probably never in such a formal garment. The poufffs at the hip seem very contrived; and the shoe topper skirt is showing too much shoe (and horrors! an ankle) it is true that skirts were somewhat shorter in this time period, but I think not for formal attire. My two cents worth, based on real garments that I have seen and inspected... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? > I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they have > a new historic costume pattern, > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a bit > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they do > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s > outfits. > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this is > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't look > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting > to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I > admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if > that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again > I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more > expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:34:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALYgF9003560 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:34:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALYaP1007662; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:34:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALYIYQ060348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALVXS6044685; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALTLfp042383 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A5AA0260; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:29:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:29:06 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c62e89$4d98e1e0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:31:01 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:34:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED06EC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Exactly! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? > The actual picture looks as if the side poof is pulled to the front opening > but the drawing view does not. I don't know if that is the problem you seek, > but that is one difference I see. The ones I've seen like this are pulled > more towards the back, not to the front. They form the bustle and "butt > enhancement" with all the poofyness. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:26 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? > > > >I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they > > have > > a new historic costume pattern, > > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or > > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of > > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a > > bit > > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they > > do > > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on > > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s > > outfits. > > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this > > is > > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't > > look > > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it > > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting > > to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I > > admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if > > that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again > > I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more > > expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? > > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------- > > Elizabeth Walpole > > Canberra Australia > > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:38:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALcAF1003600 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:38:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALc4wO017905; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALb7o7060885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALYLWR047269; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53308.mail.yahoo.com (web53308.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ALXh0o046761 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30618 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 21:33:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ov3VYzHd9VeD1+3UehabKpTLquqJ1Irnr68MOi5ZCciYRjKqdApjga/OiWsTJwzrCsU2Ag6cH/6LyehBeOHr4YhxbIMRKC2lXkhz7SBD21ZYkqHAgeY3os9xH/7pDlIQzgBmH7PgTtVONHi9V3pkXETBaCjPmMP1LPpDT8Twtj4= ; Message-ID: <20060210213329.30616.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.78.73.147] by web53308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:33:29 PST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:33:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carletta da Nicolosi Subject: RE: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001a01c62e74$3fbb4780$7a19b8a1@kal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:38:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED07BC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you Keri-Anne for this link. It was VERY informative. I have a Roman period Event coming up and this should really help. ~Carletta Keri-Anne Lawton wrote: I don't know how extensive this article is but I just found it last night looking for something else. http://www.housebarra.com/EP/ep04/08romanhair.html Hope it's at least a starting point. Keri-Anne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:49:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALnoRs003779 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:49:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALni8r023609; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:49:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALliDZ062199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALidMw057803; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALiWVY057639 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A9390260; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:44:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:46:14 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:49:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED0A78.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Were these Fiscars or look-alikes? One of the advantages of the Fiscar Soft Touch is that there is no finger pinching. I don't remember if they use this design with the scrapbook line. One interesting note re Fiscar service on the ST products, at least, is that you can get replacement springs when they give out (from overwork?).The last time I requested replacements, they sent me a small handful! Would that they would would put a quality spring in to begin with. Any way, the ST line has saved my fingers from calluses. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! > > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > I have a pair I bought when I made my wedding invitations, and I didn't > think they were all that good on paper. The handles were small and hurt > my hands -- though they cut ok -- I found them unpleasant to use. They > probably would have worked on fabric when new, but they won't now. And > how would you sharpen something like that anyway? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 17:22:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMMChs004379 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:22:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMM58E006295; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:22:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AMLcPN066603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMIM7A090155; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMHVTe089428 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:18:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.215.12dde49f (16086) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M29 (mblk-m29.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.73]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed643ed10ed34b; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7FCA6E2E6F4AE-9E0-12D5B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602102129.k1ALTUED042602@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602102129.k1ALTUED042602@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.73 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Roman women's hairstyles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:22:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED120D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the links, guys! These will help. So, are these hairnets made from sprang? http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet2.jpg http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet1.jpg And I know that they did use hairpieces and wigs, but I still would like to see them so I can figure out how it's done. The fun thing about making art dolls is that I get to make it all: costumes, shoes, hats and hairstyles! Of course, sometimes that's the hard part, too... :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 17:59:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMxKF6004997 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMxESH020586; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AMwcbs071253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMtlHH024792; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AMtbJ5024666 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27627 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 22:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 22:55:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210225020.01d6e1e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:53:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert/Fiskars scissors In-Reply-To: <006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net> <006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED1AC2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:46 10/02/2006, you wrote: >Were these Fiscars or look-alikes? > >One of the advantages of the Fiscar Soft Touch is that there is no finger >pinching. I don't remember if they use this design with the scrapbook line. > >One interesting note re Fiscar service on the ST products, at least, is that >you can get replacement springs when they give out (from overwork?).The last >time I requested replacements, they sent me a small handful! Would that >they would would put a quality spring in to begin with. >Any way, the ST line has saved my fingers from calluses. > >Kathleen Thanks for the suggestion Kathleen. I inherited my Fiskars Soft Touch third hand and recently broke the spring. Someone is bringing me a new pair from the U.S. as they are so much cheaper. I am too cheap to buy another pair, and I am having to use a pair of Fiskars shears instead - not nearly so easy. So I just wrote to Fiskars UK for a new spring, or somewhere I can get them fixed. Great tip - thanks again. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:46:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0k80d007206 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:46:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0k2Tl024081; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:46:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0ibOi083838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0gB9C013158; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A99KR6019411 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F7UHH3ELF-0002wP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <023101c62e21$a7897600$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:09:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:46:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED33CA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw a shortened version of the commercial tonight. Not as cute as the long version. The costumes look a lot better on TV than on Google. I don't know why Google's video player is so bad. I agree, the king costume on the old commercials was really scary. Wonder who thought that one up. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:48:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0m6L9007227 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:48:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0m05i008177; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0lcD0084157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0jH6x015445; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHuu0V039144 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 45907589 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:29:42 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:57:17 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c62e6b$6e6e7970$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> Importance: Normal X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 72, in=66, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=41% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1AHuu0V039144 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3440.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have stayed at the Harrington, also. My only recommendation is, stay on a lower floor. They have the world's SLOWEST elevator. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Formo, Nathan Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:36 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC My family relies on Hotel Harrington. It's basically 2 blocks from everything. 1 blocks to the Old Post office for good cheap food. 2 blocks from Fords Theater and Hard Rock Café 1.5 blocks to the nearest metro station 2 blocks from Museum of Natural History and the rest of the Smithsonian. http://www.hotel-harrington.com/mapdrivingdirections.htm The rates are of course a little more expensive then a Motel 6 in the middle of nowhere but we haven't yet found anything cheaper and more conveniently located. If you've got a group going you can't beat some of their larger room prices. I always recommend this to friends and family. We've never had any problems walking around at night and since it's so close to everything we save quite a bit on transportation. Small note. The parking garage is a few blocks away. We unload at the hotel and then send someone to go park the car while the others check in. Once you park just leave the car until your stay is over. There's no reason to try driving around DC if you don't have to. BjÇ«rn Arnaldsson Lord Bjorn Arnaldsson Barony of Black Diamond >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:09:41 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] O.T. >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone >knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the >Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator >friend, and see what I can see. > >Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course >find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >A very excited Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:51:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0pefu007265 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:51:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0pY17025805; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0owr5084501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:50:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0mYH3017986; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ7fR2006346 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:07:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) Received: from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.280.57b4262 (26116) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Message-ID: <280.57b4262.311e3d46@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:fringed fleece boas h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 127 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:51:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3516.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A local church may have a program for giving out warm clothes to the homeless. I volunteered on the "food van" run by the Adventist Church that went to downtown Baltimore giving out hot soup sandwiches as well as coats, scarves, gloves, shoes, etc to the area homeless. Ola In a message dated 2/10/2006 11:18:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: On Feb 10, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell > a few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one > wants them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization > I might donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went > out of style really fast. > > Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:55:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0tJYq007350 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0tDtG026850; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0skJc085080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0qPnH020887; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJfspf038769 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.254.62e8ec9 (57293) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <254.62e8ec9.311e4676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:41:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 2:37:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: As I live in London, and manage to get to Europe a lot (the Louvre, the Prado etc) I don't really need to see European stuff. (Or Tudor/Shakespeare for that matter - born and bred in Warwickshire!). I suppose I mostly make Georgian costume, in all its years, including Regency of course. All the more reason to hit the Museum of the American Indian. When are you ever gonna see this kind of stuff again? ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:58:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0w1gt007372 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:58:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0vtXn027574; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:57:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0vD6g085395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0sq9O022600; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AK4YA1059893 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1026A225C for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:04:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43ECF1EC.8030900@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:05:00 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3693.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? > Wasn't a lot of that done with wigs? I seem to recall references to wigs from my Roman lit courses. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:00:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B10R56007404 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:00:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B10Lms028300; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:00:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0xjjN085648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0vPOQ024327; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKxDLQ012660 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD00138005C; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:16 -0500 Message-ID: <43ECFE2E.1070108@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:57:18 -0500 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Identify 19th Century Painting References: <5.1.1.6.2.20060209124030.00baccf0@pop8.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20060209124030.00baccf0@pop8.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:00:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3725.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dawn, I don't know the identity of the artist, but I don't think he is a pre-Raphaelite, unless he is an older member of that movement. According to Victorianweb.org, the Pre-Raphaelite brotherhood was founded in 1848 and the earliest listed member was born in 1827, about 10 years older than this artist if he was in his 20s in 1839. However, I agree that the portrait is reminiscent of the Pre-Raphaelite movement and is Romanitic in style. If you find out who it is, please post to the list. 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(glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 00:58:58 -0000 Message-ID: <43ED36D2.2070608@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:58:58 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: pinking shears References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:01:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED377E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We just had a discussion about this on r.c.t.sewing It seems that there are shears that cannot be sharpened, shears that have been so abused (dropped, sharpened by idiots, etc.) that they can no longer be sharpened, but that reasonably well cared for, reasonable quality shears can be sharpened. This fellow, who sharpens knives and scissors professionally, was quite helpful in the discussion. Of course, he does sell sharpening services. http://www.villagesharpener.com/ Have not gotten around to sending my shears there yet. I don't know about sharpening other sorts of pinked cutters. liz young Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/9/06 7:04:48 PM GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > >>And >>how would you sharpen something like that anyway? > > > When I got my first pair of pinking shears (just normal zig-zaggy ones) I was > told they can be professionally sharpened once, and that's it - any more and > they can't guaratee that the teeth will still meet > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:03:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B13Vph007437 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:03:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B13PJP029212; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:03:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B12Yjn086009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0xwfO025950; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALmQLS061366 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA2302E4; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:48:19 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:48:11 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c62e8b$f797f260$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:50:07 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:03:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED37DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Richard Coursons's Hair book is the best reference I know of. Since you spend time researching examples of Fine Art that you probably can identify his sources as you see them reduces to blackline drawings. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by Trasko? Is it any good? > > Thanks! > Tea Rose > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:05:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B15mrh007485 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:05:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B15gfE029866; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:05:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B151Im086306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B12eeR027691; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMaJiF007106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Hope.Greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (penguin5.uvm.edu [132.198.101.215]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMaIYw028789 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 Received: from 132.198.190.132 ([132.198.190.132]) by webmail.uvm.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <20060210173618.h6way4nbkg0w8k0c@webmail.uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:05:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3866.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's the appropriate bits from Hodges, Laura F. "Chaucer and Costume: The Secular Pilgrims in the General Prologue." (Cambridge: D.S. Brewer, 2000) pp. 163 - 172. Echoes what has already been said here, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless! BTW, here's the usual picture: http://www.unc.edu/depts/chaucer/zatta/wife.jpg Excerpts, without footnotes: "Alisoun's Sunday garb includes three items of expensive dress commonplace in estates satires: a headdress notable enough to swear by, fine red hosiery, and new shoes. Those members of parliament who wished, through sumptuary laws, to regulate dress according to income and birth would probably agree that the Wife's cumulative inheritances and her cloth-making success entitled her to dress in this manner...However, the satirists and moralists would not have been so generous... "The moralists were most concerned with what they deemed excess in dress as it demonstrated the sin of pride..." Hodges then goes on to give examples of how Chaucer and others often used an ornate headdress to signify pride, vanity, temptation/unchaste behavior, and/or an attempt to challenge their husbands as heads of households, but continues... "However, the study of the history of costume and textiles throws additional light on the coverchiefs suggested in Chaucer's description. In the past, critics have debated the nature of these coverchiefs and the issue of how fashionable they may have been. To clarify these separate issues, several things must be considered. 'Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground' (I, line 453) which Riverside glosses 'fine in texture', indicates quality. However, the first MED definition for ground in this context is 'the background for ornamentation of fabric', and both the MED and OED cite Chaucer's usage in this line as the first literary example. Further, this definition facilitates a better understanding of Chaucer's attribution of heavy weight to this headdress. Granted that a fine fabric was used, what kind of decorated coverchiefs might make a weight of ten pounds? Stella Mary Newton and Mary M. Giza provide an answer to this question. They describe a veil headdress that began to appear in illuminations and sculpture by the 1360s, one which they characterize as 'veils edged with a forest of frills in airy layers almost impossible to count' and very difficult for sculptors to portray except in a stylized manner... [list some examples and provides drawing of the headdress that should be familiar to most h-costumers!]...The multiple frills at the veil's edge are achieved through a weaving process, by adding considerably to the threads at the selvedge edge, thus producing the fluted or goffered appearance, and additional weight." "The air flow from the forward movement of dame Alisoun, striding toward the alter rail, would have lifted and fluffed the frills of such coverchiefs and added to the appearance of fullness and weight...Nevertheless even the most beruffled coverchiefs would be unlikely to weight ten ounds...and we should read the narrator's oath...as comic hyperbole directed at a fanciful headdress." "As funeral brasses from the 1360s onward make clear, elegant coverchiefs so beruffled that they give the impression of heacy weight were in style in the late 1380s. They were neither a new style nor a fading style at that time, and Chaucer's description suggests that the Wife wears such a headdress, one that demonstrates her knowledge of fine quality in fabric and familiarity with special weaving techniques. In her portrait her coverchiefs serve as her hallmark; they adorn at the same time that they advertise, both for business and pleasure, especially so since, for dame Alisoun, the two are so frequently indistinguishable." Hodges goes on to suggest that an additional association between coverchief and the word coverture. "Legally, coverture is 'the condition or position of a woman during her married life, when she is by law under the authority and protection of her husbane' (OED), a definition that the Wife's description of her five marriages makes highly ironic and that invests any coverchiefs, symbol of marital subjection, with the same irony." "The Wife's coverchiefs, then, are a highly charged costume sign: they are literally a gesture of submission to her married and legal status, as depited in Chaucer's designation 'good WF' (line 445) and to St. Paul's dictum that womne's heads should be covered in church; economically the proclamation of a cloth-maker's community status and wealth; aesthetically the beautiful veiling of an attractive, seductive woman, and morally the announcement of a woman's pride, materialism, and by extension her unchastity, her sexual manipulation confessed so blatently in her Prologue." - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:14:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1EvMa007625 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1Eprw000312; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B1DRCk086922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B1B6Mp033162; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50210.mail.yahoo.com (web50210.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1B1B3G4033058 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16479 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2006 01:10:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eUkgrt3MJr3vqfYhftOau73vyx98eMNCONbsWcaTBH8SOAae+C01LZv6rZ+qpKIZbuIUKTnmFRi9/LH5mT/PC3N3bj9onrhM8k1D11X5O1agTbmEVnS65jZ209uZKFE+UopceHSNoql2uL5cE1KX3QC4Mj/xUo+xX2jL1peqF1k= ; Message-ID: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.28.11.230] by web50210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:10:57 PST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing samples X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3A8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg The dotted piece is about 2.5 cm and the fringed one just over 3 cm. I have a brief description and illustration of it in my book, "Plain Needlework - A Guide to Nineteenth Century Hand Sewing." http://hollisandbell.com/ Melissa Roberts --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:34:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1YhFn007863 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1Ybcu006297; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B1T3AF088216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B1SuT7044717; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B1Sq0x044663 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14726 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:59:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:59:31 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Identify 19th Century Painting In-Reply-To: <43ECFE2E.1070108@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3F2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Definitely not pre-Raphaelite, on stylistic grounds alone. The pre-Raphaelites did not do formal portraits of men in suits in front of drapery, and did not use these highly refined techniques of light and shadow, which for them were a mark of the traditional style they were rebelling against. Pre-Raphaelite pictures, even when set in contemporary times, tend to tell stories, are set in natural surroundings or detailed interiors, and use a great deal of color and a "flat" technique in which all parts of the picture are illuminated and recorded. No luck for me either on identifying it, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 21:19:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2JSn5008382 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2JMWh018686; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B2IQe3092200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:18:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2IO2v076258; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:18:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2IKvv076151 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A96502B0; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:18:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 21:18:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c62eb1$ac8934c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net><43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net><006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.0.20060210225020.01d6e1e0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert/Fiskars scissors Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:20:02 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED49AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You are welcome! The first time the problem happened, I sent the shears in for service. The last time, it was the 'clippers'. They not only replaced the spring in the ailing pair but sent along a new pair! (Funny, the clippers never go on sale). Also, the size of the clipper spring is about one turn less than the Shears, so it makes a small difference when you are trying to keep them in service. kathleen .----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert/Fiskars scissors > At 21:46 10/02/2006, you wrote: > >Were these Fiscars or look-alikes? > > > >One of the advantages of the Fiscar Soft Touch is that there is no finger > >pinching. I don't remember if they use this design with the scrapbook line. > > > >One interesting note re Fiscar service on the ST products, at least, is that > >you can get replacement springs when they give out (from overwork?).The last > >time I requested replacements, they sent me a small handful! Would that > >they would would put a quality spring in to begin with. > >Any way, the ST line has saved my fingers from calluses. > > > >Kathleen > > > Thanks for the suggestion Kathleen. I inherited my Fiskars Soft Touch > third hand and recently broke the spring. Someone is bringing me a > new pair from the U.S. as they are so much cheaper. I am too cheap to > buy another pair, and I am having to use a pair of Fiskars shears > instead - not nearly so easy. So I just wrote to Fiskars UK for a new > spring, or somewhere I can get them fixed. Great tip - thanks again. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 21:39:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2d2Zw008597 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:39:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2cubL024012; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B2cIql093667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:38:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2cHnL088910; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2cDou088827 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC08BA296B for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:38:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43ED4E32.9040708@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:38:42 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing samples References: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED4E40.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO jmhr3@yahoo.com wrote: > I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. > > http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg > http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg > Thanks, but in the quote I was looking at, the seam has already been backstitched, so it doesn't make any sense that it would then use a technique like that. I think it's more likely to be the ladder-stitch that was suggested before, as a method of reinforcement to prevent the center seam from having too much stress on it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:32:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3W7wV009540 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3Vufs007147; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:31:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3VNlI098565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:31:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3VIUM022921; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3VFux022861 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.55.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.55] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7lTe-0004v6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:31:14 -0500 Message-ID: <43ED6870.9040900@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:30:40 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> <20060210173618.h6way4nbkg0w8k0c@webmail.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5AAC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wow--thanks so much for typing all that in! Very interesting! That adds a lot to what I've seen before. Thanks ever so, Melanie Schuessler Hope Greenberg wrote: > Here's the appropriate bits from Hodges, Laura F. "Chaucer and Costume: > The Secular Pilgrims in the General Prologue." (Cambridge: D.S. Brewer, > 2000) pp. 163 - 172. > > Echoes what has already been said here, but I thought it was interesting > nonetheless! BTW, here's the usual picture: > http://www.unc.edu/depts/chaucer/zatta/wife.jpg > > Excerpts, without footnotes: ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:33:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3X1e0009558 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:33:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3WtBv005087; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3WFwo098667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3WEgA023543; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3W961023489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 4720 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 19:32:09 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4706, pid: 4714, t: 0.3896s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1283 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 19:32:09 -0800 Message-ID: <008f01c62ebb$bf8ed9d0$6501a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200602061544.k16FiUSA028916@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:32:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re mending X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5AE7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for all the tips and advice. I've made a good start on darning the holes. Some of the small darns are practically invisible. kelly, I could send you a ball of(sob sob) hand spun yarn full of moths to put in with your riding habit but I think there may be some laws about sending insects abroad! The discovery of the moths in my knitting wools was rather upsetting. On the plus side my home now smells lovely as i've made a load of pommanders which I hope will keep the moths away. thanks Joan, I developed type two diabetes and discovered that by controlling it with diet I started to loose weight. But I miss chocolate and biscuits soooooo much. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:41:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3et48009683 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:40:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3enZK009586; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:40:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3eNT3099510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3eM5E029261; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3eIlA029127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B5Lo7L026237 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:21:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:45:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200602102129.k1ALTUED042602@net.indra.com> <8C7FCA6E2E6F4AE-9E0-12D5B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7FCA6E2E6F4AE-9E0-12D5B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602102245.13661.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:40:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5CC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Friday 10 February 2006 5:17 pm, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the links, guys! These will help. > > So, are these hairnets made from sprang? > > http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet2.jpg > > http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet1.jpg I've seen pictures of these before, and they look like they were metal, instead of metallic thread. However, you could make similar ones using sprang, and sprang goes back far enough that it was probably known to the Romans. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:46:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3kJxl009764 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:46:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3kAdX011385; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:46:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3hdt6099844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3hcp3031535; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3hXJO031467 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:40:19 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fine drawing samples Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:43:42 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <001c01c62ebd$5a516c20$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcYuqD2h0taSJpmdQTGX3sZEt2/FDQAFHemQ X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2006 03:40:19.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[E12649B0:01C62EBC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5E02.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Those remind me greatly of the stitch used in "pattern darning" Of an Icelandic altar-cloth (charted by Carol... hmm; I'll find it if anybody really needs to know); which I also saw taught/demonstrated at a Pennsic class on hand sewing as a technique to repair small rips: up through the cloth beside the rip, down thru the cut and up again on the other side- repeat for a bit of a figure 8 pattern. Works really well too! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of jmhr3@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:11 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing samples I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg The dotted piece is about 2.5 cm and the fringed one just over 3 cm. I have a brief description and illustration of it in my book, "Plain Needlework - A Guide to Nineteenth Century Hand Sewing." http://hollisandbell.com/ Melissa Roberts --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 23:47:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4lKC2010619 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:47:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4lCrx027321; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B4kgSO005572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4kcVJ071786; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4kYq4071702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B6S66G027818 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:28:06 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:51:28 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED6C50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 09 February 2006 4:16 pm, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? > I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore > really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by > Trasko? Is it any good? I looked through it in a bookstore once. Fewer illustrations than I'd like, and very un-informative text. Moreover, I don't think it had any pictures whatsoever of Roman period styles. Don't waste your money. If you want pictures of Roman ladies' hair styles, there's a nice little section in A.T. Croom's "Roman Clothing and Fashion," which is still in print and not too expensive (I think it runs about $35 USD). -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 23:49:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4nRHL010642 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4nCO1031224; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B4mxcn005711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4mxGT073247; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4mvGQ073213 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41385338A2 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:48:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:49:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] new to me X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED6CC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_021.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_001.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 05:02:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BA2Yc4009386 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:02:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BA2Sn7015959; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:02:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BA1vgc040631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BA1m3n070089; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BA1jOL070022 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F77C1946F for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:01:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43e02ad1.9956c for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:01:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D7bYIVgFoNQIAAAAB,3d3e62c9b53e685b72ccec0f1c2c5d64 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 11:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. Those are really neat! However, may I humbly suggest a little more info in a post like this, to give us a hint of the period. I suppose that, if I don't know who Nicholas Hillard is, I can assume that is not a period of primary interest for me, and it certainly didn't hurt me to look at the pictures anyway. However, how about, in future, saying something like "Miniatures of .... , circa 1577"? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 07:05:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BC5olp032018 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:05:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BC5j6o017994; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BC5Uw5052684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BC5Tob051866; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50202.mail.yahoo.com (web50202.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1BC5QCG051812 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78755 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2006 12:05:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AkZbfdrr6yGe/zWVfeY8+vB5WMxVllSkN813+cW1XBxqov9PXzOsahjS1u6Lm2s6Grgq5P0KwfcqGNYziDUxks0pUa6NaFh95ufKJ6xx5C7HA2bkjBqI0V7sk80yNQC+OFS6rB7PMorItoVA8LJk9x3U/S8hKvCZCU9seAwyUZ8= ; Message-ID: <20060211120519.78753.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.28.11.230] by web50202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:05:19 PST Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:05:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDD319.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You're right. Fine drawing is described in the instructions as "like lacing" so it sounds like it could be used to reinforce a seam. It just wouldn't look anything like the pictures I posted when used that way. :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 08:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDEM9S016796 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDEGUo006354; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BDDlow058535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDDfoc095027; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDDccG095011 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a25so33639nfc for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:13:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mNfmJihy0sJeMSkwwssxb32HytSx/i4sssrU4bAe8IOt+ayCc/QzPVS2gKHEeUPWbUzhfQV196dXM6vP2Si022LksfHfxZXCaivYP1q435VS3tpXuQMQgPZ/HIImo5SOkDQt6wcrpMaLcqnoNSIw5ILOYSxDTf6Y0vUp2T8gO7c= Received: by 10.49.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr99925nfl; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.8.19 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:13:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7164eae90602110513j492f9467v56f34d45b2d4e319@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:13:37 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDE328.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1BDEM9S016796 Status: RO Agreed. Costumes great. Movies bite. Books rock. Bice On 2/9/06, Kimiko Small wrote: > > At 02:40 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: > >I got the newly issued DVD of "Dune"....another film much hated but I > love > >because I don't find it confusing [and I've never read the books] > > > While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the > original > movie with extended info), the books are so much better imho. If you > haven't read them, do, at least the first three books. I've read most of > that series, and the first three are much better, with the story going > whacky imho after that. > > But I will also admit to enjoying the SciFi movie costumes very much, even > if the storylines are a bit changed. It's been a long while since I saw > the > original movie (when it came out in the theatre, and again when the > extended aired on tv although I vaguely watched it because I was working), > so I won't comment there. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 08:55:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDtgpY017283 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDtaBk018021; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BDtIOX061584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:55:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDtHDa019808; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDtCGY019729 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACB901D0; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Feb 2006 08:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> <200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:56:49 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDECD8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have it on the shelf, but it is in the file to discard. Does anyone not know about the R.Courson book I mentioned earlier. He covers hair styles from almost pre-history through most of the twentieth Century. This volume is about 3" thick; the drawings are based on statuary of the ancients through gleanings from pictorial evidences of art and photography. All of the pic's are black and white line renderings of hair style from any of the periods. And it carries a fairly comprehensive bibliography as well as interpretive descriptions . Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > On Thursday 09 February 2006 4:16 pm, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? > > I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore > > really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by > > Trasko? Is it any good? > > I looked through it in a bookstore once. Fewer illustrations than I'd like, > and very un-informative text. Moreover, I don't think it had any pictures > whatsoever of Roman period styles. Don't waste your money. > > If you want pictures of Roman ladies' hair styles, there's a nice little > section in A.T. Croom's "Roman Clothing and Fashion," which is still in print > and not too expensive (I think it runs about $35 USD). > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 09:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BEb3c3017999 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:37:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BEawgH032215; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:37:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BEZ6j2064365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BEZ0po042531; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BEYtru042366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9276115005E for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31581-01-21 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BB3915005F for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013201c62f18$495a40d0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] new to me Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDF68A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] new to me > Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_021.jpg > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_001.jpg > De Wow--what a beautiful couple they made! He was a handsome devil, wasn't he? Fiant simii! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 10:56:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFuJf6019051 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:56:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFuDhD030465; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:56:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BFtfYN074643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFtcp2098370; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFtVPU098287 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337AE401C7 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.943e0 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD7gjz6U+uewIAAAAB,c0e3552b92cb95d5d1052321e91fbd01 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:55:30 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new to me X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.68] Message-Id: <20060211075531.23AECF0A@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:56:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE091D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does her lace ruff stop at the shoulder? It almost looks like it attaches to her black veil. Is that usual? Can't remember seeing anything like that before, but Elizabethan isn't my primary period (yet). Thanks Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "otsisto" wrote: From: "otsisto" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:49:13 -0600 To: "Historic Costume" Subject: [h-cost] new to me Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_021.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_001.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 10:59:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFxW4B019096 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:59:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFxQF0031711; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:59:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BFxCDs075887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFxCrK000877; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFx8Po000717 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.193.510650ff (4539) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:58:56 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:58:56 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dune costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:59:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE09DE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the > original > movie with extended info), the books are so much better imho One should never go to a movie based on a book and expect it to be in any way true to the book's story. Different medium. Then one is less often disappointed. I loved the Dune books. I also loved the David Lynch "Dune" movie. If any of you are fans of particular film directors, as I am of David Lynch, you go to that movie to see what that director has done with the story, not to see a reenactment scene-by-scene of the book. At least, that is my opinion. If you're looking for the same story as the book, you are bound to be disappointed most of the time. Where was Tom Bombadil, after all, in Lord of the Rings? That said, the process of designing costumes for a science fiction film or fantasy is that the world you are creating never really existed. So you get to create the world, along with the rest of the design team. So much fun! And the choices in "Dune" the movie (the 80's one with Sting) are very interesting. I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them escapes me. And, of course, the Court. And the creepy Baron. (shudder) and how all of these choices related to the characters. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 12:54:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHsmJX020731 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:54:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHsgHR008233; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BHrse3000778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHrmaX083980; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHrgox083895 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:53:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.176] (pm5-176.eos.net [205.133.149.176]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1BHrd19008576 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:53:40 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:42:08 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602102129.k1ALTUEC042602@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BHO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:54:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE24E2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: > Try watching the latest series on HBO or Cimemax, Called Ceasar. It's great. > It portrays all the nasty things people think but pretend don't happen in > society. Just proves that nothing is new, even sexual orientation, > seduction, powergrabs and political arrangements through sex. You thought any of that was new? :-) Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 12:59:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHxkGF020814 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:59:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHxfRv009777; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:59:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BHvkVm001050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHviAR086616; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHvVUN086424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BJd5W0014252 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:39:05 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:02:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> <200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602111302.27981.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:59:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE260D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Saturday 11 February 2006 8:56 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have it on the shelf, but it is in the file to discard. > Does anyone not know about the R.Courson book I mentioned earlier. Yes, I am familiar with Corson's book. However, I believe it's out of print. It's certainly hard to find; after prowling the Internet for awhile I managed to score a copy for $75 USD. That's why I didn't recommend it first to the lady who started this thread. > He > covers hair styles from almost pre-history through most of the twentieth > Century. This volume is about 3" thick; the drawings are based on statuary > of the ancients through gleanings from pictorial evidences of art and > photography. All of the pic's are black and white line renderings of hair > style from any of the periods. And it carries a fairly comprehensive > bibliography as well as interpretive descriptions . You are quite right, Kathleen. Corson's book is my basic reference for hairstyles though it's not cheap to obtain. My bet is that it'd be easy enough to find via ILL though. Corson also did a book on the history of makeup which I will eventually track down, time and cost permitting. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 13:14:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BIEnRe021048 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:14:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BIEifU014377; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BIEA4K002210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BIE7Ok002188; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BIE3EH002108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-12.sonic.net [209.148.113.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1BIE0ZZ028801 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:14:02 -0800 Message-ID: <43EE2969.2060006@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:14:01 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DVDs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:14:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE2994.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just saw a fantastic DVD I bought of Offenbach's "La Vie Parisienne." This production was put on by the Opera National de Lyon; it has English subtitles. The costumes are around 1876, more or less--they're stage costumes. But who cares about the costumes? The opera is a vivid, simultaneously cynical and sentimental evocation of the demi-monde, with very witty lyrics and dialog. It gives all the details of things like how a grande horizontale juggles her lovers, and how people party at a fashionable restaurant (the head waiter instructs new staff on when and when not to enter a room in which a couple are dining), how they drink all night, the various postures they wake up in, how they order tea and stagger home. The singing and acting in this production are brilliant, and the music, of course, is wonderful. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 15:29:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKT0pS023164 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:29:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKStFV032218; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BKSQQH014753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKSIYB099883; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:28:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKSF3d099831 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=M6bvSP2Ii2d5YTQz3K+tZIQaqlwAx+Cpf9joK8einYktq9llGA9s+UlISw4NCjmB; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.119] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F81Lq-0001xC-7U for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <017201c62f49$aea1df80$77159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b726824ba31bcc1d5c9892c0cd51fac81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.119 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE4907.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cheryl wrote: I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them > escapes me. Still-suits. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 15:48:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKmqvZ023503 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:48:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKmlBn008127; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BKh8FX016924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKh6oB012608; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:43:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKh4SK012486 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C73A228B for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:42:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43EE4C80.7090205@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:43:44 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costumer wanted in Nashville, TN X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE4DAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've been contacted by a woman who wants a fantasy costume and headpiece made for her, for a performance she is doing. She'd like to work with someone local to her in Tennessee. Let me know if you might be interested and I will give her your contact info. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/11/2006 1:14:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > I just saw a fantastic DVD I bought of Offenbach's "La Vie Parisienne." > I love Offenbach! "Les Contes d'Hoffmann" is one of my fave operas [Right after Monteverdi's "Orfeo" and Mozart's "Le Nozzi"]. Now there's a great costume project! I'll have to check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 21:43:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C2htCD028583 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:43:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C2hnYR015742; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C2hAN0051920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C2h67c056839; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C2h1Wr056758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-172.sonic.net [209.148.114.172]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1C2gwfZ003446 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43EEA0B4.7090500@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:43:00 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] DVDs References: <2ec.f57569.311fda10@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2ec.f57569.311fda10@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:43:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEA0E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Do you know a really good DVD of Les Contes d'Hoffmann, musically, and in terms of the technical quality of transferring the music, and where they didn't go and use modern clothes for costumes or something? The San Francisco Opera DVD of "Die Fledermaus" is absolutely wonderful BTW. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > I love Offenbach! "Les Contes d'Hoffmann" is one of my fave operas [Right > after Monteverdi's "Orfeo" and Mozart's "Le Nozzi"]. Now there's a great costume > project! I'll have to check it out. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 22:23:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3NTu0029037 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:23:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3NObW025618; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:23:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C3Mfd8057073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:22:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3McvH086564; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BIW7UY016947 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9240710CCD for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:32:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060211102636.03405ef8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:27:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes In-Reply-To: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> References: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:23:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEAA2C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >escapes me. Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 22:26:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3Pupq029056 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:26:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3Po87026193; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:25:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C3P8YM057508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3P6Z7088484; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BMP4G2087377 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A439024C; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:24:57 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.152 ([209.131.80.152] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Feb 2006 17:24:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c62f5a$4040f9c0$985083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com><200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com><000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> <200602111302.27981.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:26:44 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:25:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEAABE.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have the makeup book also. The book were given to me by a former director...sort of in his will. I will check my shelf for what might be a digest version that I have acquired. (And thanks for the sp.check..) Also, I think that Cassine-Scott did a fair job in his Greek and Roman handbook for the stage. At least a jumping off point. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > On Saturday 11 February 2006 8:56 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > I have it on the shelf, but it is in the file to discard. > > Does anyone not know about the R.Courson book I mentioned earlier. > > Yes, I am familiar with Corson's book. However, I believe it's out of print. > It's certainly hard to find; after prowling the Internet for awhile I managed > to score a copy for $75 USD. That's why I didn't recommend it first to the > lady who started this thread. > > > He > > covers hair styles from almost pre-history through most of the twentieth > > Century. This volume is about 3" thick; the drawings are based on statuary > > of the ancients through gleanings from pictorial evidences of art and > > photography. All of the pic's are black and white line renderings of hair > > style from any of the periods. And it carries a fairly comprehensive > > bibliography as well as interpretive descriptions . > > You are quite right, Kathleen. Corson's book is my basic reference for > hairstyles though it's not cheap to obtain. My bet is that it'd be easy > enough to find via ILL though. > > Corson also did a book on the history of makeup which I will eventually track > down, time and cost permitting. :-) > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 22:41:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3f58O029217 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:41:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3etSs030239; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C3ZWAu059732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3ZUtw096564; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3ZQIg096506 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:35:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:35:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060211102636.03405ef8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:35:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2006 03:35:22.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AB05820:01C62F85] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEAE47.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 23:23:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4NBnf029799 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:23:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4N6kQ009564; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C4MT89064366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4MOfH025680; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4MLij025586 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.13c.24deb666 (4459) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.24deb666.312011f2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:22:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:23:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEB82A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/11/2006 9:44:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > Do you know a really good DVD of Les Contes d'Hoffmann, musically, and > in terms of the technical quality of transferring the music, and where > they didn't go and use modern clothes for costumes or something? > ******************** I have the DVD with Placido Domingo doing Hoffmann...on the Kultur label. It's not bad. But there are several versions. Here's a link to ArkivMusic's page of them: ArkivMusic | Album List Page But my fave recording [not DVD...just a CD] is with Francisco Araiza: ArkivMusic | Offenbach: Tales Of Hoffmann / Tate, Norman, Araiza, Et Al This is not your usual version you hear in the opera house. They have restored the complete introduction with the scene with the Muse....who disguises herself as Nicklausse to keep Hoffmann true to his art. [suddenly a lot of things make more sense, don't they?] And the speaking scenes are restored...but you lose Copelias' aria about "eyes". [Offenbach died while they were preparing the 1st production. Afterwhich...the producers did what they wanted, composing it thru and eliminating a lot of stuff.] The Antonia act is second instead of last, The Giuietta act is last with a very different ending. Instead of her just leaving Hoffmann, Dapertutto plots his death by poisoning a glass of wine. But Giulietta drinks it by mistake and drops dead as Dapertutto laughs. Doncha love opera??? Like Anna Russell says: "You can do anything, as long as you sing it." Any of you who are not familiar with this opera, I highly recommend it. It one of the greats...in either version. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 23:34:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4YYpY029943 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:34:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4YS52012480; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:34:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C4Y4AP065404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4Y0Uv032710; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4XuRQ032623 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1f6.1b1e5027 (4459) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.1b1e5027.312014ad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:33:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:34:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEBAD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm sorry....I forgot the links won't post if I just drag them in the e-mail. here they are: DVDs http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?album_group=2&comp_id=2182& name_role1=1&name_id1=8878 The CD http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?name_id1=8878&name_role1=1& comp_id=2182&genre=180&bcorder=195&name_id=14658&name_role=2 I hope this works.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 23:41:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4fwlT030039 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4fqgl014353; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C4fXeo065970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4fWjv037155; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4fS2G037061 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.90.6ef9fb37 (62952) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:16 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <90.6ef9fb37.3120166c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:16 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Roman women's hairstyles, rare book site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEBC90.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the tips! I'll look around for the Courson book; I have a feeling that, as a dollmaker, I'll find a reference like that highly useful. I'll check out the Croom book, too. I just found this website and thought I'd pass it on to the group; it offers an extensive section on unusual historical costume books: _http://www.needleworkbooks.com/_ (http://www.needleworkbooks.com/) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 00:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5GouN030457 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:16:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5Gjg7022993; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:16:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C5GKmh068402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:16:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5GIBH057766; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5GEXs057738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-183.sonic.net [209.148.114.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1C5GBHR017987 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:16:13 -0800 Message-ID: <43EEC49E.8030000@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:16:14 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs References: <13c.24deb666.312011f2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <13c.24deb666.312011f2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:16:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEC4BD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I have the DVD with Placido Domingo doing Hoffmann...on the Kultur label. > It's not bad. But there are several versions. Here's a link to ArkivMusic's page > of them: OK, I just bought that one. > > Doncha love opera??? Like Anna Russell says: "You can do anything, as long as > you sing it." My father was an opera fan for many years, though I think he's mostly lost interest. He used to take me to the opera sometimes when I was a kid, but he also used to play the NY Metropolitan Opera Saturday afternoon live broadcasts at top volume, all the way through, so he could hear them anywhere in the house. As did everyone else in the family. I just rediscovered opera recently. Aside from Verdi, who I liked a lot as a kid, and "Carmen," which I liked most of all, I'm investigating light opera/operetta--things like the "Merry Widow" (that BTW is what I meant when I recommended the San Francisco Opera DVD; I have a great DVD of "Die Fledermaus," but it's another opera company). I got all Donizetti's light operas, and now I'm working through Offenbach. My father recommended "Die Meistersinger" but I didn't care for it. Richard Strauss I find annoying as a composer. I have a great DVD of "Patience," but the BBC Gilbert & Sullivan DVDs have lackluster reviews. Any recommendations for light opera DVDs? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 00:29:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5T8mG030675 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5T2kO025829; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C5ScVl069730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5SZsO065694; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5SVmF065626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C7A8WH032591 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:10:08 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Roman women's hairstyles, rare book site Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:33:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <90.6ef9fb37.3120166c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <90.6ef9fb37.3120166c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602120033.31705.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEC79E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Saturday 11 February 2006 11:41 pm, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the tips! I'll look around for the Courson book; I have a > feeling that, as a dollmaker, I'll find a reference like that highly > useful. I'll check out the Croom book, too. You're welcome. Good luck! > > I just found this website and thought I'd pass it on to the group; it > offers an extensive section on unusual historical costume books: > > _http://www.needleworkbooks.com/_ (http://www.needleworkbooks.com/) Thanks for the pointer! There's some interesting stuff here, including some stuff I've been toying with buying for a while. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 01:54:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C6sCgK031675 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:54:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C6s6RY012733; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C6rAc0077083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C6r4An013463; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C6r0AQ013416 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25837 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:23:44 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:23:42 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Funny comic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:54:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEDB8E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sewing Machine Lightbulb X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:58:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEF8CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! After 13 years my lightbulb has finally gone in my sewing machine ( a Toyota that is so old that it has no name or model number!), and I wondered if anyone has had a lightbulb in their sewing machine that has lasted longer? Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? 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Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 04:44:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C9ijKC009247 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:44:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C9idoE007462; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:44:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C9bNB9090372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:37:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C9bLSX009316; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C9bIce009295 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0BB415B8 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:37:19 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.a20d4 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D7wHOk3gbLQIAAAAB,78a5ac29df29faeb15d1f6f383a1587a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060212013718.23AEB3DD@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:44:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF0387.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No, sorry, it's definitely 'stillsuit' - I just checked in 'Children of Dune', that being the book that was closest to hand. Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "Becky" wrote: Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. > > Kimiko > _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 05:21:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CALo6n009766 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:21:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CALjMx017015; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:21:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CAL0ko094218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CAKuSR035326; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1CAKqjr035279 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:20:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 98188 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2006 10:20:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jmABRGKbT2OiwVVxOtxtLefBC3GUgCnVzhItkziA1B79e75sL6zFTLHO7zrOiYVqKAgKjRdJmPdDVoQGv6DpttX9ZwmobPJZR2axqMFNXrdBKOuSSvzNg+zpeaBxixkwNpq2c1y3OQi3r3pf+xzQ9jjz3qHOv+xmQIIFM7KlVxU= ; Message-ID: <20060212102051.98186.qmail@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [87.244.73.11] by web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:20:51 GMT Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:20:51 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:21:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF0C39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. COMMENT Well, I have the original issues of "Analog", [the large-format Sci-Fi Mag which had been the A-5-sized "Astounding"] - in which the very first stories of Dune were published, AFAIK, - and the moisture trapping suits are surely called "still suits" in Herbert's text as published therein. Just my two drachm's-worth by water-counters. Julian, still on the side of House Atreides, but running a little low on melange. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Sewing Machine Lightbulb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:48:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF2EB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jayne~ I have an Elna that I purchased two weeks before my daughter was born, and have used through countless heirloom outfits for my children and the many commissions I have lost count of, as well as more costumes, prom gowns and period clothing than I can even begin to add up. The daughter turns 22 on April 22, so the machine has been plugging away for almost 22 years with the same light. The only part I have had to replace was the little airmatic foot because the rubber had started to lose air and it would cause the machine to slow down when I was whizzing along. I still have the spare bulb that I purchased for that 'just in case' emergency, because of course I expected my original bulb to die in the middle of the night when I had to have something finished the next day. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 07:56:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CCu6BT016603 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:56:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CCu1Fp025654; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CCtCgE028069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CCtA19034239; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CCt7Yk034128 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87CB1CD490 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20963-07 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7FFA1CD488 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:51:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007c01c62fd3$86a73db0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:54:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:56:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF3061.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune > > While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the > original movie with extended info), the books are so much better imho. If > you haven't read them, do, at least the first three books. I've read most > of that series, and the first three are much better, with the story going > whacky imho after that. I have tried and tried to read the Dune books. But I just can't get into them, for some reason! I've never gotten even to halfway in the first book. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 08:07:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CD7LRe016773 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:07:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CD7GmO028579; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CD72Ex029329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CD70A0041631; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CD6uoh041589 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F8GwJ2bfF-0008K8; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c62fd5$3578b340$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) 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Status: RO Kimberley, What kind of sewing machine do you have? Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 08:29:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CDT54H017208 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:29:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CDT0lZ001828; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:29:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CDShIg030850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CDSfYR054106; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1CDSZwQ053973 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 72562 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2006 13:28:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y2IwDpFkAN0Y5fc1C/YCmWG/BsrYQQ6yJUNdWVsO7tyCKHje8/FX/kMbf4aJeNHJ9DW/g0rvlHY/1kngcDBL2rF9aV3NSHlf1ZlDEy41521JjmoS+27VGZt82yrv6d5pigBUA8poa+JIvkpYeld4xuukeWAabn+fM2yiAPezq+g= ; Message-ID: <20060212132829.72560.qmail@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:28:29 PST Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:28:29 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) Sewing Machine Lightbulb To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060212085812.71315.qmail@web42405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:29:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF381C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just lost the bulb in my 1983 Bernina. It has served me well until this past weekend when I took it to a friend's house (2 hour drive) to help her ready her wardrobe for a trip to Haifa. Of course it would give out when I'm away from home in a place so small you have to go 45 minutes to find a convenience store! We managed with a desk lamp, but her hubby wasn't pleased to do his work in the kitchen. Rebecca --- Jayne Thomas wrote: > Hi! > > After 13 years my lightbulb has finally gone in my > sewing machine ( a Toyota that is so old that it has > no name or model number!), and I wondered if anyone > has had a lightbulb in their sewing machine that has > lasted longer? > > Best Wishes > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get > pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 09:12:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CECYIP018507 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:12:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CECScs013405; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CEBgdB034176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CEBd4H080140; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:11:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1CEBZWb080079 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 8427 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 14:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 14:11:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060212140559.01dc8e90@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:06:36 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune In-Reply-To: <007c01c62fd3$86a73db0$154d4e40@Stuckis> References: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> <007c01c62fd3$86a73db0$154d4e40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:12:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF424C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:54 12/02/2006, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:40 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune > > >> >>While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the >>original movie with extended info), the books are so much better >>imho. If you haven't read them, do, at least the first three books. >>I've read most of that series, and the first three are much better, >>with the story going whacky imho after that. > >I have tried and tried to read the Dune books. But I just can't get >into them, for some reason! I've never gotten even to halfway in the >first book. Me neither, but my husband devours them. The made for TV series (William Hurt) made a lot more sense. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 09:33:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CEXADW022276 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:33:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CEX58N018737; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:33:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CEWauh036571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CEWZoU093278; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CEWWac093223 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [80.184.145.148] (helo=michaela) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1F8IH80RFi-0000eZ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:32:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c62fe2$79cf9740$0202a8c0@michaela> From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060212085812.71315.qmail@web42405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) Sewing Machine Lightbulb Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:41:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:7e614aaf292c2b5ff52c82c5afb1ffa4 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF4721.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am proud to report that my sewing machine, which was purchased in 1972 by my husband's grandmother is still running with its original lightbulb. It had a short phase in November last year when it stopped working. As I didn't think I would find a replacement I had put a good lamp right next to my machine. A couple of days later the bulb was burning again and has ever since. To be fair, I have no idea on how often the machine was used before I got it... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) Sewing Machine Lightbulb > Hi! > > After 13 years my lightbulb has finally gone in my sewing machine ( a Toyota that is so old that it has no name or model number!), and I wondered if anyone has had a lightbulb in their sewing machine that has lasted longer? > > Best Wishes > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 10:16:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CFGADA029720 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:16:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CFG2ir030891; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:16:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CFFZI0040460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CFFROJ021489; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CFFNdq021367 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.a3.4cad501 (3924) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:15:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) Sewing Machine Lightbulb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:16:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF5132.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Penny, It is an Elna Supra Airmatic, or something like that. It is white with black writing and takes cams, although I have very seldom ever used them. What is it with these lightbulbs that they just last forever? Why can't regular household lightbulbs do the same? ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 10:38:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CFcoBa032409 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:38:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CFciVQ006119; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:38:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CFcOZa043089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CFcMxf037897; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CFcJlF037841 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F8JIl3Cdq-0008Ob; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:38:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c62fea$5a053020$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) 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Status: RO Kimberley, My son works in lighting. He says, "The longer a lightbulb is left "on," the longer the life it will have. If you keep turning the switch "on and off" the bulbs wear out quicker. Also when you replace a bulb, the switch should be "off." If the switch is "on" when you replace the bulb, it shortened the lifespan a great deal. You might also want to pay attention to the wattage of the bulb and the wattage for the socket. If you put to high of a bulb wattage, the bulb will burn out quicker and possibly could cause a fire." We have a light over our kitchen sink that stays on non-stop. The bulb lasts about six years. We have been in this house for eight years and have only changed it once. The light has been on every day and night for all those years. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 10:44:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CFiubM032528 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:44:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CFipfA008523; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:44:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CFiaCL043602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CFiZQP041904; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CFiVUP041831 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:41:19 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) 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Status: RO Perhaps they are built sturdier to withstand all the vibrations during operation? Or they aren't on for such long periods? Just my .02 lira, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chindora@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) Sewing Machine Lightbulb Penny, It is an Elna Supra Airmatic, or something like that. It is white with black writing and takes cams, although I have very seldom ever used them. What is it with these lightbulbs that they just last forever? Why can't regular household lightbulbs do the same? ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 11:18:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CGIgj8000775 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:18:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CGIbhc019658; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CGHnFg047323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CGHkQF066200; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1CGHgDF066097 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52431 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2006 16:17:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lucU3GumqZLIdJMb6FXYVrIUrbppCgvQXIlv0J1GjE7v1HEcFVza8H4k4/Hxkq2AWWpYDMb7ZKVvB3U5e7u1VkhcAoXQccS762fgEuhCo3D0w5bIhwN18fXZpb2dp+OAeT8sQ9+vV/8+4xjr+ZB1jdV+3Jhc9LsCPwm+ZsGVNrQ= ; Message-ID: <20060212161737.52429.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:17:37 PST Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:17:37 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602121021.k1CAKw0N035355@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: dune costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:18:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF5FDD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Stillsuits - because they distilled all the bodily fluids into drinkable water. Eecch Annette M Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:06 -0500 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes Cheryl wrote: I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them > escapes me. Still-suits. -Helen/Aidan ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:35:20 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20060212013718.23AEB3DD@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain No, sorry, it's definitely 'stillsuit' - I just checked in 'Children of Dune', that being the book that was closest to hand. Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "Becky" wrote: Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. > > Kimiko > _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:20:51 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20060212102051.98186.qmail@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Becky wrote: Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. COMMENT Well, I have the original issues of "Analog", [the large-format Sci-Fi Mag which had been the A-5-sized "Astounding"] - in which the very first stories of Dune were published, AFAIK, - and the moisture trapping suits are surely called "still suits" in Herbert's text as published therein. Just my two drachm's-worth by water-counters. Julian, still on the side of House Atreides, but running a little low on melange. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 133 ***************************************** --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! 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Status: RO I do. For Christmas in 1974 my mother bought me a basic Singer (straight stitch with reverse) and I have never changed the bulb. However, I don't think it is fair to actually count it. After she died I rarely used it so it probably hasn't as many hours of use on it as yours. Annette M Message: 14 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:58:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas Subject: [h-cost] My (Record Breaking?!) Sewing Machine Lightbulb Hi! After 13 years my lightbulb has finally gone in my sewing machine ( a Toyota that is so old that it has no name or model number!), and I wondered if anyone has had a lightbulb in their sewing machine that has lasted longer? Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 12:17:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > Any recommendations for light opera DVDs? > ********************************* I'm not your typical opera fan...swooning over that mid to late 19th century rep [tho' there are of course truly great works there. Even if you can't sit thru Wagner, you know it's amazing stuff] I like early and 18th century opera best. That of course includes Handel and Mozart so it's not all obscure. It's not really "light" opera in the sense that you mean, but I recommend....highly recommend... the DVD of Rameau's "Les Indes Galantes" performed by Les Arts Florissant. It's great fun. The music is light, the action whimsical. Each act is a completely different story in a different place [the last one takes place in America among the Indians.] Most 18th century opera is structured as a series of arias separated by recitative and Rameau is no exception but the French seem to like to mush it all together. There is no flourish before the aria and you are into it before you even know it. This production is beautifully designed and staged. And the singing is phenomenal. None of that "stand there and glance at the conductor before you sing" you often get, Instead it all flows like it's no problamo for anyone....easy as pie! But we know better! I love this production and recommend it to everyone _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 11:51:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CGpee3001582 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:51:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CGpZsE001347; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CGpMt0050726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CGpMG8089125; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CGpJ1S089061 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.287.56d3d98 (4402) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <287.56d3d98.3120c17e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:51:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:51:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF6797.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 4:38:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Joannah@sluggy.net writes: > No, sorry, it's definitely 'stillsuit' Yes...Still...as in Distill... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 12:01:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CH19js001769 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:01:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CH12l5001478; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:01:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CH0lW5051792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CH0jnt096407; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CH0fT6096270 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1e9.4becad67 (4402) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:00:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.4becad67.3120c3ad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:00:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:01:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF69CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 9:12:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > The made for TV series > (William Hurt) made a lot more sense. > ********************* Many people say this, but I don't find the Lynch film confusing at all. [I didn't even find "Mullholand Drive" confusing.] But it is a complicated multilayered story. The trouble with modern [American mainly] films is everything is wrapped up pat at the end. Everything explained to the nth degree. People expect this now.... even in their own real lives! I don't mind a little mystery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 12:37:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHbg8A002998 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:37:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHbbYE012269; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:37:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CHaXV7055787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:36:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHaUb7022113; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHaQX1022068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-61.sonic.net [209.148.113.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1CHaN5A025649 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:36:25 -0800 Message-ID: <43EF721A.5070506@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:36:26 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs References: <2ca.3560fdb.3120c133@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2ca.3560fdb.3120c133@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:37:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF7261.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > It's not really "light" opera in the sense that you mean, Not exactly "light" opera, but I'm not a fan of the kind where everyone dies at the end, usually for no good reason. but I > recommend....highly recommend... the DVD of Rameau's "Les Indes Galantes" performed by Les > Arts Florissant. It's great fun. The music is light, the action whimsical. > Each act is a completely different story in a different place [the last one takes > place in America among the Indians.] OK, I'll buy it! > > This production is beautifully designed and staged. And the singing is > phenomenal. None of that "stand there and glance at the conductor before you sing" > you often get, Instead it all flows like it's no problamo for anyone....easy as > pie! But we know better! > > I love this production and recommend it to everyone > Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 12:39:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHdJZl003040 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:39:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHdE30019133; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:39:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CHcgur056007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHcgjp023625; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHccUF023587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-61.sonic.net [209.148.113.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1CHcZgY026128 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:38:37 -0800 Message-ID: <43EF729D.8070506@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:38:37 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs References: <2ca.3560fdb.3120c133@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2ca.3560fdb.3120c133@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:39:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF72C2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I'm not your typical opera fan...swooning over that mid to late 19th century > rep [tho' there are of course truly great works there. Even if you can't sit > thru Wagner, you know it's amazing stuff] > > BTW, if you do like 19th century, Zefferelli filmed a gorgeous production of "La Taviata." Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 12:45:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHjEKi003383 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:45:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHj9RN014434; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CHipFQ056784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:44:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHioDQ028171; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHikGg028043 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.25a.6b992ac (4402) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:44:36 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <25a.6b992ac.3120ce04@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:44:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:45:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF7425.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 12:37:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > OK, I'll buy it! > Have fun! There's a storm at sea and a volcano erupts in it....not to mention the dancing flower pots. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 12:52:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHqXm7003551 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CHqSEi016624; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CHqBLC057669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:52:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHqAMY033221; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CHq6Tg033109 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:52:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1c3.39fed6ed (4402) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:51:56 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c3.39fed6ed.3120cfbc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:51:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF75DC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 12:39:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > BTW, if you do like 19th century, Zefferelli filmed a gorgeous > production of "La Taviata." > Yes, a sumptuous version with very beautiful and accurate costumes by Piero Tosi. Zeff also did a good "Otello" where all the men are Renaissance HUNKS! There is also a very good film of "Carmen" with Placido Domingo. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 13:37:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CIbsSJ005201 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:37:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CIbncS030844; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:37:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CIbSHd064568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CIbOMR071357; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CIbLPI071323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:37:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-61.sonic.net [209.148.113.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1CIbIKg020319 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:37:20 -0800 Message-ID: <43EF8060.1000308@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:37:20 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs References: <1c3.39fed6ed.3120cfbc@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1c3.39fed6ed.3120cfbc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:37:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF807D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Zeff also did a good "Otello" where all the men are Renaissance HUNKS! Not well reviewed musically though. > > There is also a very good film of "Carmen" with Placido Domingo. > Yes--Carmen can actually _dance_! I saw "Carmen" on stage in the old style when I was a kid. What I mean by the old style was the singers, all built like refrigerators, just stand around and sing arias. Or do they still do that in live opera? Great singing but the erotic aspects just weren't there. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 14:03:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJ3wKY005696 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:03:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJ3pNc006656; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:03:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CJ2YFU067480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJ2SUh092542; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJ2Meu092349 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1dc.4e3cbe88 (4402) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.4e3cbe88.3120e034@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:02:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:03:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF8697.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 1:38:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > >Zeff also did a good "Otello" where all the men are Renaissance HUNKS! > > Not well reviewed musically though. > ***************** If I remember correctly, "La Traviata" also raised many complaints. The music is FINE in "Otello". Iago's soliloquy is riveting! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 14:08:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJ8cVH005763 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:08:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJ8XWX008173; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:08:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CJ8Aul068125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJ89GE097159; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJ86G5097111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-61.sonic.net [209.148.113.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1CJ83Gv014266 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:08:05 -0800 Message-ID: <43EF8795.2000106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:08:05 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs References: <1dc.4e3cbe88.3120e034@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1dc.4e3cbe88.3120e034@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:08:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF87B1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > The music is FINE in "Otello". Iago's soliloquy is riveting! Do you have the DVD though? People are complaining the transfer speed was wrong and all the singing is way too low. Fran > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 14:20:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJKULi006065 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:20:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJKOos012151; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:20:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CJK2Eu069096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJK1jb006383; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJJuTQ006300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-61.sonic.net [209.148.113.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1CJJqkU017027 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:19:55 -0800 Message-ID: <43EF8A5B.3040609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:19:55 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs References: <1dc.4e3cbe88.3120e034@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1dc.4e3cbe88.3120e034@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:20:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF8A78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zefferelli also seems to have filmed "I Pagliacci" and "Cavalleria Rusticana," which you can get on one DVD. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltaprss.com > >>>Zeff also did a good "Otello" where all the men are Renaissance HUNKS! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 14:54:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJscdW006929 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:54:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CJsWu9025075; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:54:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CJs2GU072067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJrvGl033283; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CJrrEf033167 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IUL00AEYB9MPL00@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:53:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:53:44 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Funny comic In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF9278.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Robin-- I am still laughing. I just was gifted with a Baronial coronet by Their Majesties-East (SCA) and my hisband has made it a point to tease me about this kind of thing. (He has has his for six months already.) Monica (Catriona in the SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:24 AM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Funny comic I think costumers (and medieval re-enactors) will read this one in a rather different way from the rest of the world: http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/buildcp.mpl?c=152&date=2006/2/12&v=3.0 --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 15:47:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CKll62007973 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:47:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CKlfmw011657; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:47:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CKgGgp077408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CKgDiE071756; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CKg8Cf071706 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5595.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.149]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 57712262887 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:41:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000401c63014$d5a1fcc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:42:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk cord for lacing purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:47:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF9EEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Does any of you know of good suppliers of thick silk cord i can use for the purses i make? Dont mind if it is white, i could dye it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 16:13:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CLD1dI008514 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:13:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CLCuhQ019812; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:12:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CLCSKO080564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CLCNGf097729; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CLCKHk097691 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:12:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:12:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.67] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602121736.k1CHaWYX022140@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:12:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2006 21:12:19.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[022B0FD0:01C63019] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Shoemaking articles and handouts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:12:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFA4D8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was recently reading the medievalshoemaking list and someone posted a handout that got me thinking. One of things I've got going on right now is that I'm the guild librarian for the HCC (Honorable Cordwainers Company for those who didn't know) as well as the Special Collections librarian here at the University of Tulsa. It's occurred to me that we're losing a great opportunity. How many of us have written handouts, manuals, and so on that were written to be temporary, and once used were lost? I know *I* have. The first version of the "Footwear of the Middle Ages" was a handout that soon became a small booklet, then became the website, and I no longer have copies of either the original handout or the booklet. That may not sound like a great loss to you, and certainly I don't lose any sleep over it – it's unfortunate that at some point future scholars will have lost that opportunity to see the progression of how we have been relearning, teaching, and trying to preserve this trade. So, what I am suggesting is that if any of you have such ephemera (that's archival jargon for stuff that wasn't written to last forever), or of articles that you have written and would like to be sure that they survive, I am setting up a collection of such material for the HCC library. Go ahead and contact me by private email and we can talk about it. Please note that this isn't just for the medieval stuff either. I will be reposting this elsewhere, and you should feel free to do so if you know of anyone who might be interested, but isn't on this list. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 17:32:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CMWZ9n010126 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:32:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CMWUfG013223; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:32:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CMVrKW088566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CMVmgV057569; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CMVWtU057378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1CMVTFk007217 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:31:31 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Shoemaking articles and handouts Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:34:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:32:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFB77E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: > > So, what I am suggesting is that if any of you have such ephemera (that's > archival jargon for stuff that wasn't written to last forever), or of > articles that you have written and would like to be sure that > they survive, > I am setting up a collection of such material for the HCC > library. Go ahead > and contact me by private email and we can talk about it. > > Please note that this isn't just for the medieval stuff either. To a certain extent isn't this what Stephan's Florilegium is doing? Not a bad idea to have things like this in two places (suspenders and belt). Regina Romsey > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 17:53:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CMr8XB010616 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:53:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CMr3Cr019503; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:53:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CMqeRV090556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:52:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CMqdIE072749; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CMqXgv072666 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.149] (pm5-149.eos.net [205.133.149.149]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1CMqU19026072 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:52:31 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602121021.k1CAKw0M035355@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: opera dvds X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:53:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFBC4F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Boy, I would love to see some good Gilbert and Sullivan DVDs. I love the operettas, but all the recordings are so... blah. Years ago, when the BBC did them all, my Public Television station broadcast them -- and only "The Mikado" was worth watching. How anyone can drain the sparkling energy from a G&S show is beyond me, but they did. I am going to check out all the recommended DVDs. I love opera, but I have found that many filmed versions are just as dull as the G&S ones listed above. And I can't stand listening to recordings of any I haven't seen. (I can't stand any by Richard Strauss, but that's another story!) To return to an actual question for the list -- 12 years ago I was lucky enough to get tickets to an English National Opera production of "The Barber of Seville." The costumes were amazing (that's when I really "got" how dashing men's 1700s clothes could be) and I discovered the joys of listening to operas in English. You get the jokes! The sad parts are sad when they're supposed to be! I could never get VHS tapes of any of the performances because English VHS doesn't play here in the US. But DVDs do, right? Or are they like VHS tapes? If they do play here, does anyone have any English National Opera recommendations? Gail Finke PS for Fran: The Stratford Festival in Canada does a Gilbert & Sullivan every year. Perhaps they have some good recordings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 18:11:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CNBjtx010982 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:11:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CNBduF025543; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:11:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CN9vS0093235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CN9qr6086662; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CN9muq086612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:09:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1CN9iN6021428 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:09:47 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:12:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Effigy Corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:11:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFC0AB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To those who have made this corset. How is it for bending over and/or twisting? Can you bend over from the waist or do you do the Stewardess kneel down, back straight? How about potty breaks? Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 19:00:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D00Zpo011981 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:00:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D00UgC009987; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:00:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CNxofS099083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CNxkqm025499; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:59:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav15.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CNxhMR025440 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:59:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:59:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Effigy Corset Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:59:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2006 23:59:42.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[64571570:01C63030] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:00:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFCC1E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As with any corset the covers most of the body, it is best to do the "stewardess thing' and bend at the knees. As for potty breaks...my thought is that it is always best to dress from the period, from the skin out, meaning no modern panties. I was hesitant to give them up at first, but after spening all day in stays (14+hours) I had too. My body won't allow me to go without pottie breaks. If you feel self consious, wear the drawers under all you petticoats. You'll get used to the free feeling. My latest effigy corset is pictured on my projects page http://www.goldenoakinn.com/projects_estela.htm If you have any questions, I'd be more than willing to help! Kelly/ Estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] Effigy Corset > To those who have made this corset. How is it for bending over and/or > twisting? Can you bend over from the waist or do you do the Stewardess > kneel down, back straight? How about potty breaks? > > > Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey > Never attribute to malice what can as easily > be attributed to simple social ineptness > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 19:42:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D0gwvb012767 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:42:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D0grAX025720; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:42:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D0gRFN003262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D0gPfU057504; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:42:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D0gLh6057433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1D0gHvC023522 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:42:20 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Effigy Corset Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:45:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:42:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFD60D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I definitely always wear split crotch drawers under my "stuff". Not period for everything (we think), but being able to walk around the next day without chaffing making me walk like an old cow-hand, is worth it. I had a long talk with a lady who had spent several summer weeks traveling around Southwest China on the trains. She had given up on underwear fairly early in the trip because there was no way to wash it. As it became grimy, it became unpleasant in several ways, including digging into her and causing chaffing and even open sores in VERY tender areas. She found that it wasn't all that difficult. What she did find was that doing without this article of clothing that she was used to wearing at all times except when bathing made her feel very "vulnerable". In her mind she knew it was silly, but that didn't always help. I was actually thinking of something else, but split crotch works. Regina > > As with any corset the covers most of the body, it is best to do the > "stewardess thing' and bend at the knees. > As for potty breaks...my thought is that it is always best to > dress from the > period, from the skin out, meaning no modern panties. I was hesitant to > give them up at first, but after spending all day in stays > (14+hours) I had > too. My body won't allow me to go without pottie breaks. If you feel self > consious, wear the drawers under all you petticoats. You'll get > used to the > free feeling. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 19:52:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D0qnOl012962 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:52:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D0qiMf029509; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:52:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D0poDG004080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D0pmYi064672; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52810.mail.yahoo.com (web52810.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1D0pkMq064580 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11979 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2006 00:51:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AQnZES6Yxe+fvLsGgqIcEaAfurefvV08nkqyTC8xzIcwISb+Vn0CJmKKGUCc1Ck6ZO0llZseTcoZOblbRS1+IKc2h2mOIZs9Li6axOD5Krbmi5JMG6rh07MzzUHGkdAOScR+/eX4vFHI8hS9YpDGlbguIbhMHJA/wsduM/Ikerg= ; Message-ID: <20060213005141.11977.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.248.212.46] by web52810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:51:41 PST Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:51:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera dvds To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:52:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFD85C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you want dynamite G&S, check out the productions by the Stratford Festival of Canada. I haven't seen them all, but the ones I've seen have been fabulous, and their Mikado is particularly fine. (Oddly, I don't see a link to that one here, but I know it's available, although it may take a little searching.) They do take liberties, but in my view not offensive ones, and the whimsy is light-hearted and the energy really crackles. The costuming is a lot of fun, too! http://www.stratford-festival.on.ca/merchandise/index.cfm?shelf=32 Gail & Scott Finke wrote: Boy, I would love to see some good Gilbert and Sullivan DVDs. I love the operettas, but all the recordings are so... blah. Years ago, when the BBC did them all, my Public Television station broadcast them -- and only "The Mikado" was worth watching. How anyone can drain the sparkling energy from a G&S show is beyond me, but they did. I am going to check out all the recommended DVDs. I love opera, but I have found that many filmed versions are just as dull as the G&S ones listed above. And I can't stand listening to recordings of any I haven't seen. (I can't stand any by Richard Strauss, but that's another story!) To return to an actual question for the list -- 12 years ago I was lucky enough to get tickets to an English National Opera production of "The Barber of Seville." The costumes were amazing (that's when I really "got" how dashing men's 1700s clothes could be) and I discovered the joys of listening to operas in English. You get the jokes! The sad parts are sad when they're supposed to be! I could never get VHS tapes of any of the performances because English VHS doesn't play here in the US. But DVDs do, right? Or are they like VHS tapes? If they do play here, does anyone have any English National Opera recommendations? Gail Finke PS for Fran: The Stratford Festival in Canada does a Gilbert & Sullivan every year. Perhaps they have some good recordings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 19:55:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D0tQPa013011 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:55:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D0tLed030700; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:55:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D0swPF004351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D0svqJ066976; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D0srxn066929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:54:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-86.sonic.net [209.148.113.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1D0snia029086 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:54:52 -0800 Message-ID: <43EFD8DD.5040102@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:54:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera dvds References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:55:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFD8F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Boy, I would love to see some good Gilbert and Sullivan DVDs. I love the > operettas, but all the recordings are so... blah. I can't understand why. I thought G & S was very popular, as opera/operetta goes these days. But there is one really outstanding DVD of "Patience" by the Australian Opera, 1995. The costumes, sets, and acting are great Aesthetic satires, and the singing is lovely. I have the 1983 Stratford Festival "Mikado" DVD. It's OK, but not great. The acting is good, but I don't think the singing is top-notch. Donizetti's comic operas are rather G & S in feel. There is a delightful DVD of "The Daughter of the Regiment" with Beverly Sills, sung in English. (I > can't stand any by Richard Strauss, but that's another story!) I can't stand Richard Strauss, either. It's like he constantly interrupts every tune he starts. Johann Strauss is a different matter. The 1883 Royal Opera Covent Garden DVD of "Die Fledermaus," is pretty good, except for sticking some other random performers into one act as a sort of variety show. There are other well-reviewed versions. As I said before, the San Francisco Opera's DVD of "The Merry Widow," is excellent, with gorgeous Art Nouveau sets. To return to > an actual question for the list -- 12 years ago I was lucky enough to get > tickets to an English National Opera production of "The Barber of Seville." There is a nice 1987 Glyndebourne Festival Opera DVD of Rossini's "Barber of Seville," and a nice 2001 Opéra National de Lyon DVD of Mozart's "Marriage of Figaro." > The costumes were amazing (that's when I really "got" how dashing men's > 1700s clothes could be) and I discovered the joys of listening to operas in > English. You get the jokes! The sad parts are sad when they're supposed to > be! There is a DVD of the 18th century "Beggar's Opera," with superb acting, although Roger Daltry (of the Who rock group) doesn't have quite the voice for it. It's by the English Baroque Soloists, 1984. The opera is witty and thoroughly cynical. One neat thing for those familiar with the folk tunes Gay used is comparing the traditional lyrics with his lyrics for the same tunes--there's some wit built in right there. I could never get VHS tapes of any of the performances because English > VHS doesn't play here in the US. But DVDs do, right? Or are they like VHS > tapes? If they do play here, does anyone have any English National Opera > recommendations? > There are several DVDs for the English National opera on Amazon, including their "Mikado," which is costumed in the 1920s. I'd rather have it set in its own period; but what the heck, I'll give it a try. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 20:22:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D1MStY013494 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:22:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D1MN9w008762; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D1Loe4007159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D1LfFN087093; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D1LRvM086904 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=dZUklCxC87CQx6+D7I6YmYJNYcGnclgRG8dqEfkPh1JWRCbgcDrcno1YsneUzZ3W; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.59] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F8SP8-0003kj-FA for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01d701c6303b$ceeb5210$3b3c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43EFD8DD.5040102@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera dvds Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:21:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b4bbd5b78d050b4b58ddc669fc0bb2ba9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.59 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFDF4F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran wrote: > Johann Strauss is a different matter. The 1883 Royal Opera Covent Garden > DVD of "Die Fledermaus," is pretty good, except for sticking some other > random performers into one act as a sort of variety show. There are other > well-reviewed versions. Totally unrelated guest performers/performances at the party are an old Fledermaus tradition. Sometimes dance performances, too. The musical performaces are kept light, nothing too dramatic, and occasionally there's a big surprise when someone steps away from their genre, or even voice type. The list usually depends on who's in town. Sometimes there are even non-singing guests of honor at the party. In a performance at the Kennedy Centre a couple of years ago, Supreme Court Justices Ginsburg, Kennedy, and Breyer, in their robes, were introduced as "guests supreme" and escorted to their places on honor on the big red velvet ottoman downstage. She was carrying this huge black fan. Placido Domingo and tango dancers performed. I saw it last year on "Great Performances" on PBS. What a hoot. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 20:55:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D1tiTW014018 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:55:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D1tdiG021189; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:55:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D1o4ms010125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D1o20s012539; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:50:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D1nvlL012399 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1e0.4d6cfc35 (4568) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:49:48 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.4d6cfc35.31213fbb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:49:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Effigy Corset To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:55:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFE71B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To those who have made this corset. How is it for bending over and/or twisting? Can you bend over from the waist or do you do the Stewardess kneel down, back straight? How about potty breaks? first, sorry if am being dense (and bear in mind, missed a huge chunk of stuff around christmas, so sorry if has been discussed), but which of the effigy corsets do you mean? I have one of them (the one in arnold's patterns of fashion) which is reeded and has an ash busk, and I've never had any problem at all with movement - I bend at the hips (better for my back anyway!! Never had any problems with the potty thing either (and wear modern pants). Have never had any problems with any of my other corsets either (ranging from 17th to edwardian). But corsetry affects everybody differently. Debs PS unless you count getting up when lying down, cos the corset affects how my stomach muscles work!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 21:56:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D2ubUg015102 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:56:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D2uVfb009896; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:56:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D2tenu017259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:55:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D2tael062786; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D2tV7g062682 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.24c.6ce7dd2 (63000) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:55:24 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <24c.6ce7dd2.31214f1b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:55:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera dvds To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:56:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFF55F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 7:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > I can't stand Richard Strauss, either. It's like he constantly > interrupts every tune he starts. > *********************** I Like "Der Rosenkavelier" but you have to be prepared for it. Like Wagner. That scene where the rose is presented is amazing! I hate opera English....unless it was originally written in English. I mean, half the time you can't understand the English anyway. I don't mind supertitles at all. And I love the little back of the seat thingies at the Met. Some good operas in English: Dido & Aeneas....Purcell Semile....Handel The Rake's Progress....Stravinsky Billy Budd.....Britten Rosa......Andreissen Einstein on the Beach......Glass Wait....do solfeg syllables count as English? I'm kidding. I like "Einstein on the Beach" but like with R Strauss, you have to prepare for it....and Glass, of whom I only like a few things. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 22:01:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D31AEv015216 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:01:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D315kP011382; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:01:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D30lJV017731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D30jww066539; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D30eUj066432 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:00:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.237.6c7628a (63000) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <237.6c7628a.3121504e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:00:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera dvds To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:01:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EFF671.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/12/2006 8:26:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: > Totally unrelated guest performers/performances at the party are an old > Fledermaus tradition. ************************ Like in "Barber of Seville", there's a tradition of the singer doing Rosina singing whatever she wants during the music lesson scene. Of course Rossini wrote music for it and that's done a lot more now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 22:58:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D3w8xg016526 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:58:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1D3w0IA027833; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:58:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D3vXf1024849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D3vTC3011980; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1D3vP46011934 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:57:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:57:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.42] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602130124.k1D1OabL089645@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:57:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 03:57:25.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[99798500:01C63051] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Shoemaking articles and handouts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:58:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F003C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From: "Wanda Pease" >To a certain extent isn't this what Stephan's Florilegium is doing? Not a >bad idea to have things like this in two places (suspenders and belt). Stefan's Florilegium is a compilation of email messages harvested from various discussion lists. I was thinking more of the authors submitting their non-electronic ephemera to an archive. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 09:34:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEYtcJ026578 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:34:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEYodC022533; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:34:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DEYDGA009754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:34:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DEY51m097424; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1DEY1Mw097257 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63297 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2006 14:33:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cXmgavW6pfQ+/Rr/M4y/mDeS9WlR3zgmfebUDEGx2ztwFAbynonte21e303L0qvzKSAw64kmRvSQ9MYPgAwJ9pr6LkzujX/SW+mOKDGeFQ8k1+uw4bH+fVxhJrAcyBq4gfBJTKR0aUbHqYR6UkmsKRyY/Pk4S4bO+gZnzDUgBm0= ; Message-ID: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.250.65.42] by web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:33:56 PST Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tudor roses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:34:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0990A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of interest for later but I would like to get started on the roses soon. Thanks, Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 09:43:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEh5tv026739 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:43:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEh1vE026671; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:43:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DEfVoC010383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DEfTpf003945; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1DEfPHc003882 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 23434 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 14:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 14:41:24 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060213143849.01d5d150@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:39:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses In-Reply-To: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:43:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F09AF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:33 13/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi all, > I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift >and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would >like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find >black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, >preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind >of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor >flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of >interest for later but I would like to get started on >the roses soon. Try this for starters - http://englishhistory.net/tudor/contents.html - that is a very nice rose they have on the opening page. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 09:45:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEjJ0F026791 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:45:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEjEUI013586; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DEinYO010707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DEinhM006576; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DEijPt006521 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 875068202 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:44:43 -0600 Message-ID: <042301c630ac$11eb0180$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:45:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F09B7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > So I would > like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find > black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, > preferably the five petal kind. go to www.google.com click on "images" and enter tudor rose in the search window. The first 4 results are 5 petal roses that would be easily traced. In the third row is a black and white one. your results may vary Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 09:57:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEv7pi027048 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:57:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DEv1gP000560; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:57:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DEuFp1011751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DEuE7e016042; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DEuBBd015998 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:53:01 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:56:13 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <000901c630ad$a2687cf0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcYwq32Ec/B/rAsHT1urXblnV5NpFAAAe98A In-Reply-To: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 14:53:01.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FC6C8F0:01C630AD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:57:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F09E3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, google images is your friend http://www.pkdesigns.com/stitch/tudorose.htm http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e7/Tudor_rose.gif etc -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cascio Michael Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Tudor roses Hi all, I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of interest for later but I would like to get started on the roses soon. Thanks, Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 09:59:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DExrKA027102 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:59:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DExmdR001754; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:59:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DEx6Y4012020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DEx63t018380; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1DEx0Q4018282 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 33664 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 14:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 14:58:59 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060213145604.01dd4670@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:57:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses In-Reply-To: <042301c630ac$11eb0180$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <042301c630ac$11eb0180$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:59:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F09EE4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:45 13/02/2006, you wrote: >> So I would >>like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find >>black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, >>preferably the five petal kind. > > >go to www.google.com click on "images" and enter tudor rose in the >search window. The first 4 results are 5 petal roses that would be >easily traced. In the third row is a black and white one. > >your results may vary >Denise >Iowa Denise I didn't know you could do that with Google - thank you for opening a whole new, time -wasting world for me!! And the images are great too. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 10:02:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DF2Rug027154 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:02:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DF2MIE002974; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:02:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DF1qXM012338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DF1oxc020840; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DF1k1I020723 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter71.comcast.net ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060213150125014002jdtue>; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:01:25 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter71.comcast.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:01:24 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:01:24 +0000 Message-Id: <021320061501.7338.43F09F44000B830B00001CAA2200763692CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:02:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F09F7E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's an image that might be helpful; it has very defined lines: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e7/Tudor_rose.gif Traci -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > At 14:33 13/02/2006, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift > >and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would > >like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find > >black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, > >preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind > >of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor > >flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of > >interest for later but I would like to get started on > >the roses soon. > > > Try this for starters - http://englishhistory.net/tudor/contents.html > - that is a very nice rose they have on the opening page. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 11:31:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DGVX56029003 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:31:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DGVS5p015113; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:31:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DGUYvM028086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:30:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DGUPoC015012; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DGUKL4014918 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 889782619 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:30:04 -0600 Message-ID: <04a701c630ba$ca56bc10$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com><042301c630ac$11eb0180$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <6.2.3.4.0.20060213145604.01dd4670@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:30:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] google X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:31:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0B460.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I didn't know you could do that with Google - thank you for opening a > whole new, time -wasting world for me!! If you *really* want to waste some time and get your daily dose of immune boosting laughter, try google video. You'll need sound and a program that will play video files. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8735889757702013026 http://tinyurl.com/7jozy No costume content to speak of, but everyone can use a good laugh. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 14:33:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DJXPp8000409 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:33:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DJXKhG009696; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:33:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DJWNZH059120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DJW5V6014330; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rodney.concentric.com (rodney.concentric.com [207.155.252.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DJVmKO013967 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from PURCHASING ([207.67.223.71]) by rodney.concentric.com id OAA03218; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:31:42 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <00a301c630d4$1d9d35c0$133c0a0a@PURCHASING> From: "Julie" To: References: <200602130124.k1D1OabL089645@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:31:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Cord for Lacing Purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:33:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0DF00.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Bjarne I don't know a thing about vendors in Denmark, but I know I went crazy trying to find appropriate cord to fingerloop braid when I made a purse. Check out your beading stores. Silk cord is sold to restring necklaces, especially pearls. I was able to buy spools of silk cord in several different colors...white being one of them. Julie in San Diego ----- Original Message ----- > > Hi, > Does any of you know of good suppliers of thick silk cord i can use for > the > purses i make? > Dont mind if it is white, i could dye it. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 14:41:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DJfm49000594 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:41:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DJfhhK014051; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:41:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DJf813060253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DJf68H023700; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:41:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DJf28t023626 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55a5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.165]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B6D3CA50046 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:40:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c630d5$7f43e0c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:41:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kelly/Estellas projekt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:41:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0E0F7.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I am following your projekt with great expectations: http://www.goldenoakinn.com/projects_estela.htm May i ask you one thing. What happens if you take your front busk of the corset on top of your wheel farthingale? I would, if i made a wheel farthingale dress, place the front busk over the wheelfarthingale. But perhaps i have made a mistake, what does others do? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 14:54:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DJsZ1J000826 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:54:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DJsUhU020561; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DJliuC061137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:47:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DJle1I030599; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DJlZ0x030499 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:47:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUN001MB5MWLQW0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:47:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:00:09 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: ICG-D list Message-id: <43F0E549.8070102@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, siliconweb@yahoogroups.com, Historic Costume Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: [costumers_notes] How to keep fringe from tangling with your thread while sewing it on...] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:54:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0E3F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This was posted to a belly dance lists I follow. I'm going to give it a try the next time I have to work with fringe. Jeanine -------- Original Message -------- I posted this tip on Tribe.net and thought I'd send it along here too, since what little I know about making a costume I owe to Dawn. When I was sewing fringe on a bra & belt, getting the thread caught in the fringe nearly drove me crazy (OK crazier). Then I came up with this solution. I took some Glad Press'n Seal Sealable Plastic Wrap. It's a plastic food wrap but it's tacky (sticky). I cut the wrap a little longer than the piece of fringe I was working with and a little wider than DOUBLE the length of the fringe itself. I enclosed the fringe in the wrap, just lay the fringe on the wrap and fold the wrap over on itself to make a little bag. Then press gently on the wrap to stick the fringe to the wrap. Now you have your beautiful fringe in a nice plastic bag to protect it and it doesn't get caught in the %#$&* thread. You could probably use regular plastic wrap, but the sticky stuff is awesome. Oh, and it doesn't leave a sticky residue on the fringe either. I hope this explanation makes sense. http://tst.glad.com/pressnseal/about.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 15:06:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DK67dK001039 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:06:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DK621A026662; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DK5MnL064360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DK5KQ5049262; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1DK5Gm0049097 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31997 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2006 20:05:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ep8D+otTJoI9hgcyn7QzLaWh2cSrcTpMV/TnR2+tO02Y40aO/z/8yDGTu7efjoF/Xmk7tJef5Qek242QkTvRl+pJ848wNxxncB34zMe5X/1sqHTSArrS9PpCVMuy4glJy8wCw159NG3DOaeMDOcjybFcUzU0s8nBVUD/F5Imjsk= ; Message-ID: <20060213200509.31995.qmail@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.250.65.97] by web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:05:09 PST Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tudor rose again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0E6AA.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the links. I did try google first and got several that were possible. I seem to remember in the dim recesses of my mind that there were several styles of Tudor rose through the years, some of which had distinct dots in the middle and some had crowns. I'm rather looking for something like the Helena Snakenborg, I think it is at tudorportraits.com, in size but not necessarily with the double stemmed blossoms. Unfortunately the daughter that draws is away at college right now. Thanks again. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 15:35:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DKZZbw002005 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:35:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DKZUUD007610; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DKYIi1068903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DKXlFt080764; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DKXDvV080083 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:33:09 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:33:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060213200509.31995.qmail@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor rose again Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 20:33:09.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4036EA0:01C630DC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:35:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0ED92.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One thing I found out was about the use of the colors of the Tudor rose. I remembered learning about THe War of the Roses, one white and one red. I did not realize that the TUDOR rose was a combintation of them when the war ended. I read about how the background determined if the back was white or red. Due to rules in heraldry, the same image could be changed by the background used. Interesting point. Never thought about it before today. Thanks for the education on the history of Tudor Rose. My daughter has been asked to be Princess Elizabeth at the Ren Faire this year. SO I can use the rose on her costume. ANy suggestions of what her gown should look like. She loves pink and blue. I have an idea but finding it hard to find a pattern her size. She is 7 now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cascio Michael" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Tudor rose again > Thanks for the links. I did try google first and got > several that were possible. I seem to remember in the > dim recesses of my mind that there were several styles > of Tudor rose through the years, some of which had > distinct dots in the middle and some had crowns. I'm > rather looking for something like the Helena > Snakenborg, I think it is at tudorportraits.com, in > size but not necessarily with the double stemmed > blossoms. Unfortunately the daughter that draws is > away at college right now. Thanks again. > Cassandra > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 15:55:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DKtcVg002547 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:55:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DKtXmK018079; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:55:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DKshQG071646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DKsUtO004643; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1DKs5Pl004154 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95720 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 20:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 20:54:04 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060213205226.01d5e0b0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:53:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor rose again In-Reply-To: References: <20060213200509.31995.qmail@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:55:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F0F245.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 20:33 13/02/2006, you wrote: >One thing I found out was about the use of the colors of the Tudor >rose. I remembered learning about THe War of the Roses, one white >and one red. I did not realize that the TUDOR rose was a >combintation of them when the war ended. I read about how the >background determined if the back was white or red. Due to rules in >heraldry, the same image could be changed by the background used. >Interesting point. Never thought about it before today. >Thanks for the education on the history of Tudor Rose. >My daughter has been asked to be Princess Elizabeth at the Ren Faire >this year. SO I can use the rose on her costume. ANy suggestions of >what her gown should look like. She loves pink and blue. I have an >idea but finding it hard to find a pattern her size. She is 7 now. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cascio Michael" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:05 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Tudor rose again This site has the most famous portrait of Elizabeth as a princess. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth_I.htm Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 17:11:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DMBp1X004500 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:11:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DMBkPm023039; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:11:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DMAaIq082172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DMASh7090126; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DMAPhE089960 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IUN0006OC93EXT0@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:10:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:10:13 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] [Fwd: [costumers_notes] How to keep fringe from tangling with your thread while sewing it on...] In-reply-to: <43F0E549.8070102@woollycat.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:11:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F10423.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is great. I bet it would work with other stuff that keeps looping around the needle and thread! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jeanine E. Swick Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:00 PM To: ICG-D list Cc: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com; siliconweb@yahoogroups.com; Historic Costume Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: [costumers_notes] How to keep fringe from tangling with your thread while sewing it on...] This was posted to a belly dance lists I follow. I'm going to give it a try the next time I have to work with fringe. Jeanine -------- Original Message -------- I posted this tip on Tribe.net and thought I'd send it along here too, since what little I know about making a costume I owe to Dawn. When I was sewing fringe on a bra & belt, getting the thread caught in the fringe nearly drove me crazy (OK crazier). Then I came up with this solution. I took some Glad Press'n Seal Sealable Plastic Wrap. It's a plastic food wrap but it's tacky (sticky). I cut the wrap a little longer than the piece of fringe I was working with and a little wider than DOUBLE the length of the fringe itself. I enclosed the fringe in the wrap, just lay the fringe on the wrap and fold the wrap over on itself to make a little bag. Then press gently on the wrap to stick the fringe to the wrap. Now you have your beautiful fringe in a nice plastic bag to protect it and it doesn't get caught in the %#$&* thread. You could probably use regular plastic wrap, but the sticky stuff is awesome. Oh, and it doesn't leave a sticky residue on the fringe either. I hope this explanation makes sense. http://tst.glad.com/pressnseal/about.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 18:06:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DN6rjc005804 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:06:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1DN6mwj013633; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:06:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DN6IpW090493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DN6Aq0052818; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav15.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DN635Q052595 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:05:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:05:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c630d5$7f43e0c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kelly/Estellas projekt Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 23:05:57.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CA5F720:01C630F2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:06:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F11108.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My Laurel in New York would put her hoop under the front busk too, I don't think there is a 'right way'. I have always done it this way, just my thing I guess;-) I have found that by putting the hoop under the busk, the hoop tilts a bit to the back. Because I have followed the Jean Hunnisett method of hoop construction until now, I find the hoop tilts a bit too much for me, and have gotten used to wearing my hoop outside the corset...I could be totally wrong. Thanks for the input! Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] Kelly/Estellas projekt > Hi, > I am following your projekt with great expectations: > http://www.goldenoakinn.com/projects_estela.htm > May i ask you one thing. What happens if you take your front busk of the > corset on top of your wheel farthingale? > I would, if i made a wheel farthingale dress, place the front busk over > the wheelfarthingale. > But perhaps i have made a mistake, what does others do? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 19:01:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E01pvS006840 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:01:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E01i15003687; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:01:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1DNxuGQ000538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DNxh28010520; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DNxe5l010451 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:59:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55a5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.165]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 228F247FE05 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:59:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c630f9$aa771a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:00:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my first doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:01:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F11DE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Couldnt waite for my dolls i ordered will be released, so i baught 1 Emme doll at ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Emme-Effervescence-Doll_W0QQitemZ5665834380QQcategoryZ11698QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Why is it i want to make something like "Dangerous Liasions" :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 19:22:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E0MsJj007268 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:22:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E0Mn5d010467; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:22:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1E0MOb7038868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E0MM7l032961; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1E0MIsC032884 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 16336 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 00:20:35 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:20:35 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:24:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <24983.162.119.64.110.1139876640.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <002901c630f9$aa771a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002901c630f9$aa771a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:24:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first doll From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:22:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F122D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi, > Couldnt waite for my dolls i ordered will be released, so i baught 1 Emme > doll at ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Emme-Effervescence-Doll_W0QQitemZ5665834380QQcategoryZ11698QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Being a plus-sized woman myself, I respect Emme, but gosh those dolls are expensive! > Why is it i want to make something like "Dangerous Liasions" I am sure it will look wonderful....as always ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 21:01:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E21fuQ009615 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:01:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E21bJG013166; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:01:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1E213BM077218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:01:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E20xfv022272; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E20vi3022223 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8C22BF502E0; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:56:18 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:01:03 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01c6310a$829eb170$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:01:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F13A01.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't have a drawing, but I can scan my blackwork one, if you can't find anything. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cascio Michael Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:34 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Tudor roses Hi all, I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of interest for later but I would like to get started on the roses soon. Thanks, Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 13 21:49:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E2n6jO010448 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:49:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E2n2S6030746; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:49:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1E2mjMG081684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E2mZ40059863; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E2mV4D059740 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.6a.671f0b6c (58550) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:48:24 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.671f0b6c.31229ef5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:48:21 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first doll To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:49:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1451E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/13/2006 7:24:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: > Why is it i want to make something like "Dangerous Liasions" **************** Hmmmmmm...yes...the yellow and black traveling outfit or the red and gold "it's beyond my control" gown? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 01:32:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E6WYkw015203 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:32:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E6WTZa015087; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:32:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1E6VqgJ006207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E6VjRX041966; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E6VfMk041906 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D84C53389B for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:31:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:31:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060213143356.63295.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:32:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1797D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What kind of embroidery? Blackwork? If your daughter is trying to be Elizabeth I as a Princess then you are looking at early Tudor styles for women. Some children in portraits of the 1500s. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1590 http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1575-80 http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ArabellaStewart.jpg 1577 http://www.tudor-portraits.com/WilliamBrooke.jpg 1567 http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild7.jpg 1545 Florence http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Bia.jpg 1542 http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild6.jpg 1541 French/German? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBJacquelineBourgogne.jpg 1530 As for roses, this is a partlet and sleeves not a shift but good for inspiration http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg De -----Original Message----- Hi all, I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of interest for later but I would like to get started on the roses soon. Thanks, Cassandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 04:49:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E9nFMa024007 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:49:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1E9n9Js011916; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:49:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1E9md2c036289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E9mU52095875; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1E9mQoS095819 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24778.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.120]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9633E26288D for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:48:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000401c6314b$dd1cacb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:48:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk cord X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:49:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1A795.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I got a link for a supplier of silk cord! http://www.ribbonsmyth.com/ribbdyes.htm In case somebody else are interrested......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 08:13:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EDDAjj009358 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:13:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EDD5dG025952; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:13:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EDAerM071154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:10:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EDAZjX073286; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EDAVPZ073190 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6BF02C0; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:10:23 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 14 Feb 2006 08:10:02 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c63168$407977e0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602130124.k1D1OabL089645@net.indra.com> <00a301c630d4$1d9d35c0$133c0a0a@PURCHASING> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Cord for Lacing Purses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:11:59 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:13:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1D761.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fire Mountain carries a full color range of rat-tail silk cord (and also mouse-tail). I use these braided or twisted together as well as for couching. Dharma carries this also in white and now, black. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Silk Cord for Lacing Purses > Hi Bjarne > I don't know a thing about vendors in Denmark, but I know I went crazy > trying to find appropriate cord to fingerloop braid when I made a purse. > Check out your beading stores. Silk cord is sold to restring necklaces, > especially pearls. I was able to buy spools of silk cord in several > different colors...white being one of them. > Julie in San Diego > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Hi, > > Does any of you know of good suppliers of thick silk cord i can use for > > the > > purses i make? > > Dont mind if it is white, i could dye it. > > > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 08:52:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EDqTXh010326 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:52:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EDqPJ3010973; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:52:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EDpxom074532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EDpubf007624; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav14.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EDppuI007547 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:51:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:51:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:51:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 13:51:50.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE51C720:01C6316D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:52:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1E099.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Elizabeth likes the Unknown child7 picture. That is the basic design I wanted to use. I'll keep that one to use for reference. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:31 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses > What kind of embroidery? Blackwork? > If your daughter is trying to be Elizabeth I as a Princess then you are > looking at early Tudor styles for women. > Some children in portraits of the 1500s. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1590 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1575-80 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ArabellaStewart.jpg 1577 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/WilliamBrooke.jpg 1567 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild7.jpg 1545 > Florence > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Bia.jpg 1542 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild6.jpg 1541 > French/German? > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBJacquelineBourgogne.jpg 1530 > > As for roses, this is a partlet and sleeves not a shift but good for > inspiration > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg > > De > > > -----Original Message----- > Hi all, > I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift > and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would > like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find > black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, > preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind > of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor > flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of > interest for later but I would like to get started on > the roses soon. > Thanks, Cassandra > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 08:57:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EDvDkr010394 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:57:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EDv8So012988; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:57:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EDtAb8074713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EDtAPP010534; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EDt63Q010476 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:55:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:55:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:55:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 13:55:06.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[42C9C1C0:01C6316E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:57:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1E1B4.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In this one: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg Are the bands on the shoulder and the sleeve attached or is the sleeve one that comes off (Attached by ribbons or hooks?) I love those shoulder puffed bands. I have the directions on how to make them. I just wanted to know if the sleeves detach or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:31 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses > What kind of embroidery? Blackwork? > If your daughter is trying to be Elizabeth I as a Princess then you are > looking at early Tudor styles for women. > Some children in portraits of the 1500s. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1590 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1575-80 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ArabellaStewart.jpg 1577 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/WilliamBrooke.jpg 1567 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild7.jpg 1545 > Florence > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Bia.jpg 1542 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild6.jpg 1541 > French/German? > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBJacquelineBourgogne.jpg 1530 > > As for roses, this is a partlet and sleeves not a shift but good for > inspiration > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg > > De > > > -----Original Message----- > Hi all, > I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift > and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would > like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find > black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, > preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind > of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor > flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of > interest for later but I would like to get started on > the roses soon. > Thanks, Cassandra > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 10:09:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EF9fob012198 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:09:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EF9bBN017978; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EF94jZ082499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EF8v4h080927; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1EF8q9d080732 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 87509 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 15:08:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d1xzR0uYvJqA8flwlM5iCZBsAV/jie6oYPDuJv0440G8v293QSJFOPIKZqkqkSAxNcmItrEBphaVsAx/SqRQASeuA0ieuls0ZdSjyTAH3cq/ESPlNiw1epoFu5H957427VQO5piJxXGNnj4xFY8XmVyKBOe9Z5cDxKh8QxtqWQg= ; Message-ID: <20060214150845.87507.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:08:45 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:08:45 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:09:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1F2B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As for roses, this is a partlet and sleeves not a shift but good for inspiration http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg De Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but partlet and sleeves? alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 10:37:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EFb0pY012837 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:37:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EFat25002804; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EFRFsm085035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EFRC9D097367; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:27:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EFR8QR097319 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:27:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BF4734BA7 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:27:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:27:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060214150845.87507.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:36:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1F918.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Though I am not 100% sure that it is a partlet and sleeves, it looks as if she is wearing a chemise under the alleged partlet. Though once upon a time I would have said "because the sleeves and partlet look of different materials" but I have noticed a while back that the sleeves don't match real well either. :P I have noticed that the majority of costumers that have interpreted this portrait believe that it is a shirt. For convenience of construction I would probably make a shirt but I would still think that it is three separate pieces. De -----Original Message----- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg De Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but partlet and sleeves? alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 10:54:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EFsmn9013136 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EFsit8013193; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EFkuAr088088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:46:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EFknfK015988; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EFkgYl015836 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 43DDD34BFB for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:33 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F1FD44.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In my interpretation of the portrait, I believe that the puffed sections are attached to the bodice and the rose embroidered sleeves are detachable. But others have interpreted the what I believe is a partlet and sleeves to be a shirt. There is a dress diary online somewhere that recreates the outfit in the portrait to her own interpretation. If I have time I will see if I can't locate it again. De -----Original Message----- In this one: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg Are the bands on the shoulder and the sleeve attached or is the sleeve one that comes off (Attached by ribbons or hooks?) I love those shoulder puffed bands. I have the directions on how to make them. I just wanted to know if the sleeves detach or not. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 12:54:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EHsJVj015823 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:54:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EHsEf7007741; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:54:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EHmMjG012062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EHl3lt033130; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1EHku3Z032898 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11436 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 17:46:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k2+5eLZKJCQo6P8rYbBW4h2uYgVk7J6Y60QhsE7eUkJK8H0f3AMyAfC0C2XU/cj7t2ah+pJGVXIeeOPR+qxGmlNwOIO2VnsHo/yNfwrNzyzNDDzDC3w2CiTS2uA3THUljqiao+qwxjfHMsfAl7NDqJ7mB69aTsnZJJ/0JOJPNf4= ; Message-ID: <20060214174641.11433.qmail@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:41 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:41 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:54:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F21946.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, I've always been fascinated by the costumes from "Trois mousquetaires" (1961, two parts, starring G.Barray), I've never seen a historical movie where the people in the costumes would look so good like here. I'm only a bit suspicious that the kind of women's costume was used a bit later than in the 1630s, but I can't tell for sure. Anyway, that's not the point I'm asking about: I really wonder how the dresses (here I mean mainly the costumes of the queen and milady) were made - If you look at the bodice, the silhouette is slightly curved, which gives the impression of an underbust corset or something. That wouldn't really go with the period, as I know, there used to be quite straight bodices. This unusual shape makes me a bit confused. And - do you think the bodice could have been a part of a corset (stays...), like the boned bodice in lining? And if not - was it attached to the skirt or not? It shouldn't be, but if there would not be any stiffening in the bodice, how come it always looks so tight and makes no folds? The next thing is the skirt. I really like that shape, the way it widens at the hips. I'd really like to know how the petticoat looked like. Was it a wide rectangle, so wide that folded it took so much space at the hips, or was it curved (smaller at the waist, wider at the bottom)? Maybe the full-hips shape could have been created by a bumroll. If yes, what was the shape? With regular width, like shown here http://www.fashion-era.com/images/AdornCorsetry/bumroll30.jpg, or like Drea Leed's (or Dawn's) pattern http://costume.dm.net/bumroll.html? Please if you have any ideas on that subject, I'd really like to know them:-) Zuzana K. P.S.: Here's a photo fro one scene of the film. Unfortunately, it's of a very low quality, but it might help:-) http://foto.kinox.ru/foto/011415_3.jpg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 13:15:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EIFUTs016285 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EIFQ5v032458; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EIEvJA017288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EIEdwJ061158; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EFQ32b096286 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.28c.5a990ff (4552) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:25:53 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <28c.5a990ff.31235081@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:25:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F21E3E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/14/2006 10:17:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, garbaholic@sbcglobal.net writes: Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but partlet and sleeves? I wondered that too...but you can see a smidgen of a chemise underneath...at the CF opening. Of course that doesn't mean it's not a smock worn over a chemise. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 13:15:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EIFU6H016286 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EIFQ03018332; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EIEveO017289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EIEi7w061244; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:14:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EHg394028076 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5580.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.128]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F49CA5004A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:41:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:42:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F21E3E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 14:05:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJ52Tp017383 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:05:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJ4vaF012498; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:05:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EJ3hAc025471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJ2n4I011456; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJ2Y2R011135 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:02:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1EJ2JEb010669 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:02:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00af01c63199$76985590$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:05:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F229D9.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks so much, Bjarne! It's wonderful. Now if it were only in color and on view. Oh, well. I guess we can't have everything. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. > http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 14:09:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJ9paX017529 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJ9ll1015218; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:09:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EJ9CQ9026391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJ8qHf017381; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJ8hRq017061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F95XT-0003jg-M5; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:08:39 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:08:39 -0600 Message-ID: <20060214130839.9w1iosiluixwwg48@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:08:39 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. > http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > No, I hadn't! Thanks, Bjarne! Short-sleeves and embroidery too! If it was only in color! (I know; whine, whine whine!) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 14:29:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJTMc7018139 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:29:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJTHBp025895; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:29:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EJSgcj030067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJSBK6038022; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJRn3d037338 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:28:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.fe.25120806 (62952) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:27:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:27:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:29:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F22F8D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/14/2006 1:50:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zkraemerova@yahoo.com writes: I really wonder how the dresses (here I mean mainly the costumes of the queen and milady) were made - .....[snip]..... It shouldn't be, but if there would not be any stiffening in the bodice, how come it always looks so tight and makes no folds? The bodices seem to be cut in the usual style of the late 1950s, and are boned. The curves come from the curved seams in the construction...obviously the stomachers are fake and sewn into the bodice with curves seams. They are not cut or constructed according to the 1630s period. They are obviously well made and precisely and impeccably fit. Those French....they may not be accurate, but they are beautifully executed! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 14:43:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJhSP5018457 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:43:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJhM8Z001553; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:43:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EJbY0I031687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJaVOt047437; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJa3Zk046694 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1EJOcU29519.; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:24:38 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:24:38 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:24:22 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1EJa3Zk046694 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:43:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F232DA.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana, I've never come across this film before, but the dress in the photograph looks historically inaccurate to me. Costume designers in the 1960s used to dress the leading ladies according to the modern taste for a "natural" bustline; they thought audiences would find straight-fronted bodices unattractive. I've seen 16th century dresses made in the same way in old films. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 14:54:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJs7Xs018633 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:54:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EJs2wt007714; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:54:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EJpamj033566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJpRUO062470; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJpBU9062128 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5580.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.128]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C694F26283A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:50:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c6319f$ff6f6790$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060214174641.11433.qmail@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:50:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:54:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2355A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again, Forgot to add that the skirt in Evolution is cut in cone shapes, but i did not use this. I used full width of the skirt. Dawns bumroll pattern would be ideal for this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "h-costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" > Hi all, > I've always been fascinated by the costumes from "Trois mousquetaires" > (1961, two parts, starring G.Barray), I've never seen a historical movie > where the people in the costumes would look so good like here. I'm only a > bit suspicious that the kind of women's costume was used a bit later than > in the 1630s, but I can't tell for sure. Anyway, that's not the point I'm > asking about: > I really wonder how the dresses (here I mean mainly the costumes of the > queen and milady) were made - If you look at the bodice, the silhouette is > slightly curved, which gives the impression of an underbust corset or > something. That wouldn't really go with the period, as I know, there used > to be quite straight bodices. This unusual shape makes me a bit confused. > And - do you think the bodice could have been a part of a corset > (stays...), like the boned bodice in lining? And if not - was it attached > to the skirt or not? It shouldn't be, but if there would not be any > stiffening in the bodice, how come it always looks so tight and makes no > folds? > The next thing is the skirt. I really like that shape, the way it widens > at the hips. I'd really like to know how the petticoat looked like. Was it > a wide rectangle, so wide that folded it took so much space at the hips, > or was it curved (smaller at the waist, wider at the bottom)? Maybe the > full-hips shape could have been created by a bumroll. If yes, what was the > shape? With regular width, like shown here > http://www.fashion-era.com/images/AdornCorsetry/bumroll30.jpg, or like > Drea Leed's (or Dawn's) pattern http://costume.dm.net/bumroll.html? > Please if you have any ideas on that subject, I'd really like to know > them:-) > > Zuzana K. > > P.S.: Here's a photo fro one scene of the film. Unfortunately, it's of a > very low quality, but it might help:-) > http://foto.kinox.ru/foto/011415_3.jpg > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 15:10:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EKAnuG018949 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:10:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EKAiG9017584; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:10:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EK9ZGU040875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EK8VU4079437; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EK86cY078828 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.163] (pm5-163.eos.net [205.133.149.163]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1EK7t19005564 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:07:55 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:56:22 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602141915.k1EJEqk8023246@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:10:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F23944.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana wrote: > Hi all, > I've always been fascinated by the costumes from "Trois mousquetaires" (1961, > two parts, starring G.Barray), I've never seen a historical movie where the > people in the costumes would look so good like here. I'm only a bit suspicious > that the kind of women's costume was used a bit later than in the 1630s, but I > can't tell for sure. Anyway, that's not the point I'm asking about: > I really wonder how the dresses (here I mean mainly the costumes of the queen > and milady) were made - If you look at the bodice, the silhouette is slightly > curved, which gives the impression of an underbust corset or something. That > wouldn't really go with the period, as I know, there used to be quite straight > bodices. This unusual shape makes me a bit confused. And - do you think the > bodice could have been a part of a corset (stays...), like the boned bodice in > lining? And if not - was it attached to the skirt or not? It shouldn't be, but > if there would not be any stiffening in the bodice, how come it always looks > so tight and makes no folds? > The next thing is the skirt. I really like that shape, the way it widens at > the hips. I'd really like to know how the petticoat looked like. Was it a wide > rectangle, so wide that folded it took so much space at the hips, or was it > curved (smaller at the waist, wider at the bottom)? Maybe the full-hips shape > could have been created by a bumroll. If yes, what was the shape? With regular > width, like shown here > http://www.fashion-era.com/images/AdornCorsetry/bumroll30.jpg, or like Drea > Leed's (or Dawn's) pattern http://costume.dm.net/bumroll.html? > Please if you have any ideas on that subject, I'd really like to know them:-) > > Zuzana K. > > P.S.: Here's a photo fro one scene of the film. Unfortunately, it's of a very > low quality, but it might help:-) http://foto.kinox.ru/foto/011415_3.jpg > I have never seen these films, but judging by the photo you sent, the costumes (at least of those two women) are not authentically made. How they WERE made, I don't know... I assume that the strange shapes of the bodices mean that they were all made in one piece with some sort of bustier or long-line bra and girdle. They have a sort of 1950s-1960s shape, and are skin-tight, so there can't be many layers. Then the skirts are just added on in whatever way the costume designer liked. If you are interested in recreating these, you would probably have the most luck by looking at books about movie costume design at the time. They remind me of the basic shape of women's costumes from many Hollywood films and musicals. Very pretty, but very "Hollywood." Have you seen the "Three Musketeers" and the "Four Musketeers" with Michael York, Richard Chamberlain, and Oliver Reed? Talk about costumes!!! They are amazing, and they have recently become available on DVD. Although again, Raquel Welch's costumes were designed differently from all the rest, and are not authentic. But very pretty. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 16:36:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ELa5ZO020768 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:36:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ELa0FJ030366; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:36:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ELZ4DF055227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:35:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ELYa2o064251; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ELYRdd063976 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:34:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77837 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 21:34:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oYQeJJfEI+6WpqsugrumesoCcJpVQuI0HJmNQngxNb7Z79/3RMScgowEiHNeVWLnE92+Y6HzE8Lj//KzpfEUzFoH4eMjwFtpG8si7mZC9/0UuzTE6agWonqFQ8sr9pvK7ZwIyOXF3a4K1r8WcGfpxyNtXSy9fzO7U0K+4CyucPM= ; Message-ID: <20060214213417.77835.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:34:16 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1dc.4e5b73b6.31238762@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:36:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F24D40.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO 1975? On imdb.com is only a 1974 "The four Musketeers". Then what's the other movie you meant? Anyway, I've seen The four musketeers some years ago, so I don't really remember the costumes (I wasn't interested in them yet), but I think I'll definitively download it... Michael York is my favorite actor:-) AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: Hmmmmmm... The gowns look to me like late-50s - early 60s , and I mean 1950s and 60s, silhouettes with some 17th century details added. They do fit like a glove, I will admit. If you want some accuracy in your 3 Musketeers, I suggest the 1975 version. Actually, you need to get the "Four Musketeers" too to get the whole film....this one's in 2 parts to...]with Michael York, Richard Chamberlain, Oliver Reed, Charlton Heston, Christopher Lee, Faye Dunaway, Raquel Welch, and everybody else you can think of. [I love Geraldine Chapman as Queen Anne] Actually, both films now come together in one package with special features and stuff. Fantastic clothes by Yvonne Blake....but not Raquel's clothes, who were done by her husband, I think. Her things resemble what you get in "Trois mousquetaires" actually and you can clearly see the contrast when she's standing next to Chapman who is in some magnificently accurate gown. Besides, the films, directed by Richard Lester [the 1st "Superman" movies and the Beatles' films]are great! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 17:30:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EMUBk4021985 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:30:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EMU7c4021972; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EMPB6G062490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJKgHN029341; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJKMIO028841 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1dc.4e5b73b6 (62952) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.4e5b73b6.31238762@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:20:02 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:30:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F259EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/14/2006 1:50:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zkraemerova@yahoo.com writes: I've never seen a historical movie where the people in the costumes would look so good like here. Hmmmmmm... The gowns look to me like late-50s - early 60s , and I mean 1950s and 60s, silhouettes with some 17th century details added. They do fit like a glove, I will admit. If you want some accuracy in your 3 Musketeers, I suggest the 1975 version. Actually, you need to get the "Four Musketeers" too to get the whole film....this one's in 2 parts to...]with Michael York, Richard Chamberlain, Oliver Reed, Charlton Heston, Christopher Lee, Faye Dunaway, Raquel Welch, and everybody else you can think of. [I love Geraldine Chapman as Queen Anne] Actually, both films now come together in one package with special features and stuff. Fantastic clothes by Yvonne Blake....but not Raquel's clothes, who were done by her husband, I think. Her things resemble what you get in "Trois mousquetaires" actually and you can clearly see the contrast when she's standing next to Chapman who is in some magnificently accurate gown. Besides, the films, directed by Richard Lester [the 1st "Superman" movies and the Beatles' films]are great! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 17:35:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EMZ0dO022116 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:35:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EMYuak023880; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EMPB6K062490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EL0Aak028937; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1EKdFGh009262 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 31825 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 20:39:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NkkM4xs9bNaVvDGtgnP6+ZhQrq7N6WLBbhlzntA0g2h0Mf8zlB0STvqFCTWumK3CIHPy7WXPpAOWcf3dQQOqEKIcEh+ZWNNjMR7rSvA1w6VQkOPu5f15QRR1hrprd+awi7ea3beZaUr5EN1cfharEqeRAFWOMxk1lsUzD5ceqKw= ; Message-ID: <20060214203907.31823.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:39:07 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <28c.5a990ff.31235081@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:34:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F25B10.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was leaning towards the chemise under the smock too, since you wouldn't want all that embroidery to have to be washed a lot and not only is the construction easier, it's easier to wear as a smock than a partlet and sleeves with this style of gown/sleeve, IMHO of course. alex AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/14/2006 10:17:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, garbaholic@sbcglobal.net writes: Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but partlet and sleeves? I wondered that too...but you can see a smidgen of a chemise underneath...at the CF opening. Of course that doesn't mean it's not a smock worn over a chemise. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 17:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EMkGma022337 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:46:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EMkBGK027981; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:46:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1EMjZip065699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EMjOOC035646; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:45:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1EJld3W058274 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5580.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.128]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 44F64A5072C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:47:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c6319f$7c801e10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060214174641.11433.qmail@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:47:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:46:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F25DB3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Zuzanna, I looked at the picture from the movie you sended a link to. The costumes looks gorgeous, but: The bodices are much two long. The cavallier style had high waists, and for some reason movies always makes the bodices two long in my oppinion. There is only one bodice/ corset survived from the period, and my guess its a working womans stays. I think they wore a bodice under the dress wich had a peplum or large tabs. And i would guess there was lacing holes on top of the tabs, to hold up a small bumroll. Corsets must have ben worn to give this push up breasts, and smooth bodice. How they looked like, i really would have loved to see. If you have the book, Evolution of Fashion, wich not many people like because it is theater cuts, really in my oppinion gives a good idea of how the cunstruktion would have ben like, as a matter of fact i once did the 1625 version with the standing collar, and it looked really nice. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "h-costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" > Hi all, > I've always been fascinated by the costumes from "Trois mousquetaires" > (1961, two parts, starring G.Barray), I've never seen a historical movie > where the people in the costumes would look so good like here. I'm only a > bit suspicious that the kind of women's costume was used a bit later than > in the 1630s, but I can't tell for sure. Anyway, that's not the point I'm > asking about: > I really wonder how the dresses (here I mean mainly the costumes of the > queen and milady) were made - If you look at the bodice, the silhouette is > slightly curved, which gives the impression of an underbust corset or > something. That wouldn't really go with the period, as I know, there used > to be quite straight bodices. This unusual shape makes me a bit confused. > And - do you think the bodice could have been a part of a corset > (stays...), like the boned bodice in lining? And if not - was it attached > to the skirt or not? It shouldn't be, but if there would not be any > stiffening in the bodice, how come it always looks so tight and makes no > folds? > The next thing is the skirt. I really like that shape, the way it widens > at the hips. I'd really like to know how the petticoat looked like. Was it > a wide rectangle, so wide that folded it took so much space at the hips, > or was it curved (smaller at the waist, wider at the bottom)? Maybe the > full-hips shape could have been created by a bumroll. If yes, what was the > shape? With regular width, like shown here > http://www.fashion-era.com/images/AdornCorsetry/bumroll30.jpg, or like > Drea Leed's (or Dawn's) pattern http://costume.dm.net/bumroll.html? > Please if you have any ideas on that subject, I'd really like to know > them:-) > > Zuzana K. > > P.S.: Here's a photo fro one scene of the film. Unfortunately, it's of a > very low quality, but it might help:-) > http://foto.kinox.ru/foto/011415_3.jpg > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Status: RO Hi all, Forgive me if you've seen this question on another list before, but I didn't get any response, so I was hoping those learned folk here would be able to provide some insight. I've been looking at the online effigies database (http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies), and was struck by the views of the women's garments from the 1520s to mid 1530s. Most images of that time frame don't go below the waist, so it's very nice to be able to view the feet, and bottoms of the kirtles and gowns. But when I see that the kirtles are flowing over the feet, I have to wonder. How do the ladies in the earlier Tudor (Henry VIII) era walk when their kirtles seem to be longer than they are tall? Examples are: Oakley woman (unknown) c1520 http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=81 Edith Pexall née Brocas (c1535) http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=95 Did they always have to lift all their skirts up to walk? Were they meant to be worn over farthingales, but just didn't wear the farthingales for the effigies? (I'm not even positive if farthingales were worn in England during this time frame.) I see dress hooks holding up the front of the gown, but what about the overflowing kirtles? Is it something else entirely? I also find it interesting that the gown hems are much shorter than kirtle hems. From the looks of things, gown hems appear to end above the ankles or so. I would love any and all comments, thoughts, or even speculation on this, please. Thank you, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 18:17:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ENH3vV022917 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:17:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ENGxdA007757; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ENFuR3071196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ENFKR6068883; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:15:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ENF76G068583 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0228C34BB5 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:06:30 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:06:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:17:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F264EB.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. This looks to be worn under a dress as a combination forepart and plastron. Thank you again. :) De -----Original Message----- Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3 &submit.y=10&coll_start=81 Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 18:51:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ENpJ3T023723 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:51:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ENpFBL020708; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:51:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ENocQO077228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ENoWKs001493; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ENoP51001355 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RAXcYVk827HQrxuqiF5RiqXTIOeCYT6um3aYXi9wPMlO1WhTtUZiLPJvjdjoXhVf; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F99vy-0008OY-9B for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:50:14 -0500 Message-ID: <069b01c62e9d$0bfe5bc0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48aa918c22bcb0d5744114b8634928678d10ec827ca34601a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:51:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F26CF3.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Have you seen the "Three Musketeers" and the "Four Musketeers" with > Michael > York, Richard Chamberlain, and Oliver Reed? Talk about costumes!!! They > are > amazing, and they have recently become available on DVD. Although again, > Raquel Welch's costumes were designed differently from all the rest, and > are > not authentic. But very pretty. > > Gail Finke This is the period in which I specialize and I have never seen such good costuming in a film. Completely ignore everything Raquel Welch is wearing and the rest are amazing. The Queen's costumes were taking almost line for line from some of her portraits, and so were the King's. There are a multitude of tavern and town scenes that I recognize from paintings, also. The corsetry of this time is an unknown. The only existant corsetry between 1603 and 1650 is a bodice in the V&A with a boned lining, although I have heard rumors of a corset tentively dated to 1635 having recently been found within an English farmhouse wall. From extensive study of the visual evidence, it's pretty clear that they wore some sort of foundation garment, because while the dresses and necklines have a more natural, rounded look than previously, they are still very smooth and supported. My own personal theory is that some women discarded their corsets and went with boned linings in their dresses, but most probably all of them didn't. Just look at how many women still wore bras during the 1970's "braless" era. Again, my theory from experimenting with the shape and boning placement for corsets under these styles, is that it's something between the very flat fronted Elizabethan styles, and the very rounded, off the shoulder style of the 1660's. The corsets I wear with my 1635 dresses are cut much like the Elizabethan effigy corset, but with a higher back, higher waist, tabs cut in a piece with the body like the 1660's design, and horizontal (actually slightly diagonal) boning at the center front neckline. It seems to work pretty well and gives me more of a rounded front shape than the Elizabethans, without looking too late. Disclaimer: most of the above are my opinions and theories. If anyone has knowlege of existant garments that I don't, I'd love to know about it. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 19:42:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0gdHc024725 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:42:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0gZWm008904; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:42:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F0b9nb082999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0b4lv044724; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0aunf044595 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:36:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:36:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:36:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060213182007.033e16c0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:36:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 00:36:56.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC896CC0:01C631C7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:42:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F278FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not sure why the 'gown shorter than the kirtle' idea? Can you explain? As for the length of dresses seeming long, we in the modern era walk differently than ladies of the historical era would have. If, when you are walking, you let your toes drop to a relax point when stepping forward, it is difficult to step on your hem, as you push it away with the toe of your foot. There is also a little half kick/ swirl movement to move your back hem (which is sometimes trained) out of the way when you turn around. The only time I ever lift my skirt hem is when I'm climbing stairs. Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking > Hi all, > > Forgive me if you've seen this question on another list before, but I > didn't get any response, so I was hoping those learned folk here would be > able to provide some insight. > > I've been looking at the online effigies database > (http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies), and was struck by the views > of the women's garments from the 1520s to mid 1530s. Most images of that > time frame don't go below the waist, so it's very nice to be able to view > the feet, and bottoms of the kirtles and gowns. But when I see that the > kirtles are flowing over the feet, I have to wonder. How do the ladies in > the earlier Tudor (Henry VIII) era walk when their kirtles seem to be > longer than they are tall? > > Examples are: > Oakley woman (unknown) c1520 > http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=81 > > Edith Pexall née Brocas (c1535) > http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=95 > > Did they always have to lift all their skirts up to walk? Were they meant > to be worn over farthingales, but just didn't wear the farthingales for > the effigies? (I'm not even positive if farthingales were worn in England > during this time frame.) I see dress hooks holding up the front of the > gown, but what about the overflowing kirtles? Is it something else > entirely? > > I also find it interesting that the gown hems are much shorter than kirtle > hems. From the looks of things, gown hems appear to end above the ankles > or so. > > I would love any and all comments, thoughts, or even speculation on this, > please. > > Thank you, > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small > http://www.kimiko1.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild > Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires > Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland > (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 19:44:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0iOt3024754 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:44:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0iKg4009171; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:44:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F0i1EL083444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:44:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0i06x050111; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0huCE050000 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:43:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.13f.24c25a2d (48552) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:43:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.24c25a2d.3123d343@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:43:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:44:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F27964.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/14/2006 5:34:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Those French....they may not be accurate, but they are beautifully executed! **************** Hey....I made a French Revolution joke!!!! :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 19:53:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0r5aJ024931 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:53:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0qx1i013635; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:53:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F0lEMk083814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0lDhp052946; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav3.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0l9NK052892 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:47:09 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:47:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060214203907.31823.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:47:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 00:47:09.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[59D95280:01C631C9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:53:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F27B6B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being different parts and still be accuate? With my daughter being so young, I think that fewer layers would be better for her. She won't be in any competition of costume so I think we can fudge the costume for comfort and design. It only has to please us. She'd like it whether it was "period" or not, as long as it looked like the ones we saw last year. She tried on a costume that was all one piece, including a collar that stood up behing the head. It fit her so well and she wanted it. I ran out of money long before we got to that vender. I purchased fabrics to make my gown and that wasn't cheap. My sister bought her a French hood and she wore it all day. When we found the costume, the vender let her try it on and I got a picture. At least we got that much. She planned to go back this year and play the part. She made friends and she will look them up for sure. Could be worse. She could be interested in the black hair and chains of the goth crowd. I'm not sure I could handle that. Dressing up for Renaissance Faire, we can share the time and have fun, too. This is my favorite time for costumes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses >I was leaning towards the chemise under the smock too, since you wouldn't >want all that embroidery to have to be washed a lot and not only is the >construction easier, it's easier to wear as a smock than a partlet and >sleeves with this style of gown/sleeve, IMHO of course. > > alex > > AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/14/2006 10:17:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > garbaholic@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but > partlet > and sleeves? > > > > I wondered that too...but you can see a smidgen of a chemise > underneath...at > the CF opening. Of course that doesn't mean it's not a smock worn over a > chemise. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 19:58:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0wjQv025111 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F0wfKb016399; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F0wLn7085208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:58:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0ucJ3061171; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:56:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F0uX8B061031 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060215005627m1300fnqjde>; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:56:27 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:56:25 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:56:25 +0000 Message-Id: <021520060056.3021.43F27C39000C2FA200000BCD22007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F27CC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I hope someone can assist me. One of the members of my "household" wants to take a look at what a 10th to the 11th C. German. craftsman would have worn. I tried to look through the net - but must not of worded my search correctly because I could not find anything. Thanks! Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 20:06:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F169qC025482 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:06:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F1652L019630; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F15cGD086009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:05:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F15Z4c069503; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F15WU8069372 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:05:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060215010526m1300fr9p6e>; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:05:26 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:05:25 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:05:25 +0000 Message-Id: <021520060105.20295.43F27E550000B91B00004F4722007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Knitting Historians? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F27E7D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Recently there was a discussion about the history of knitting. I didn't really pay to much attention to it since I do not knit. But a friend of mine is a knitter and wants to talk to anyone who does know the history of knitting. If you can help, would you please contact me privately so I can get my friend in contact with you. Roscelin By the way, please excuse this question if it has been discussed. When did crocheting come along? I was told long ago that it started after 1650 - Is this true? I've been trying to convince a few of my needlework students that it is out of period for our group. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 20:07:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F17pHG025558 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:07:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F17ljE024791; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F17CO0086149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F17BL1070704; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F1780j070618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9B8M-0001CE-6Y; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:07:06 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:07:06 -0600 Message-ID: <20060214190706.jnid5ie1tlnkksk8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:07:06 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > Thank you. This looks to be worn under a dress as a combination forepart and > plastron. Ooh, now that's something that I hadn't considered! Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 20:54:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F1rxQU027451 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:54:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F1rtOQ005860; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:53:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F1rCRP090177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F1r9JA007832; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1F1r4J6007736 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13266 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2006 01:52:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SV6vzK1VQG7w4M+tfuuayZHkRlF1bgOLKTlW030TJ9ekBry2JAnJAWPhuX830jQolMGtoXx+clzhkCx52WnqFk72Ech0Xd1t+5etnO8SvtUPvZwl8ZHhS7BdAvDRxHCqdaapwMi/DKURzJSEsbNNoEoq2NVgYUFe7iICkWsdbQU= ; Message-ID: <20060215015259.13264.qmail@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.250.65.240] by web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:52:59 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tudor roses again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:53:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F289B3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello again, Thanks again for all the links. I was planning on a padded satin stitch for the roses, more like the Helena Snakenborg, but with more of a scatter pattern like some of the Italian shifts. Thanks again. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO What's a "plastron"? I looked up and the range was all over the place. I found one necklace of the Romanovs that was gorgeous but I don't know if that is what the term applies to or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:07 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > Quoting otsisto : > >> Thank you. This looks to be worn under a dress as a combination forepart >> and >> plastron. > > Ooh, now that's something that I hadn't considered! > > Jerusha > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 21:21:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2LKKd028157 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:21:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2LGH9017186; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F2EhW7091962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2EfZU023907; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2EaWf023782 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.193]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060215021431.NGDB27365.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:14:31 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.173.64]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060215021430.WCSS1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:14:30 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.8/260]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:14:31 +1300 Message-ID: <006701c631d5$8e594d10$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060214203907.31823.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:14:30 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:21:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2901C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being > different parts and still be accuate? Well the intent of the sleeves is to not look different to the partlet, if they are indeed seperate items;) I personally feel she is wearing a garment similar to the smock in the V&A that is heavily embroidered and would surely not have been worn next to the skin: http://costume.dm.net/va/smocks.html There is a typo, the chemise is all linen, but of two grades. It is not a silk upper half. In regards to seperate items, I am not discounting that they exist. Does anyone remember what book has a picture of some blackworked sleeves in it? I know there is also a picture of uncut blackworked sleeves somewhere else as well. They show that there were indeed seperate items, even aside from what is in written inventories (which can be hard to understand given the change of language over time.) michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.8/260 - Release Date: 14/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 21:29:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2TKjH028316 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:29:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2TFH2019896; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:29:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F2Snhf093545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2SfoW036372; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2SbL9036321 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m215.in-tch.com [216.166.191.215]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1F2K6A03206 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:20:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000f01c631d8$8536dce0$d7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:35:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:29:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F291FB.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It could be a shirt (embroidered shirts with collars have certainly survived), but I think people may also be keyed into the bits that show up in texts (such as the lists of New Year's gifts in _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe unlocked), and detail "partlets and sleeves" as a "set" and not a single item. I'd love to make an outfit based on this portrait some day (although my plan is to embroider sprigs of columbine, instead of roses), and I've always figured I'd have a plain, narrow-sleeved, square-necked smock underneath (with a bit of embroidery around the neckline), and the fancy bits I'd do as a shirt, if only so I wouldn't have to hassle with tying another set of things together.... I'd also do separate ruff/cuffs, for ease in washing. And I'd love to do the gown in a good blue or perhaps purple or green wool (something to coordinate with the columbines). All-natural fibers and hand-sewn, of course! --Sue, back-sliding 16th century costuming geek ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > Though I am not 100% sure that it is a partlet and sleeves, it looks as if > she is wearing a chemise under the alleged partlet. > Though once upon a time I would have said "because the sleeves and partlet > look of different materials" but I have noticed a while back that the > sleeves don't match real well either. :P > I have noticed that the majority of costumers that have interpreted this > portrait believe that it is a shirt. For convenience of construction I would > probably make a shirt but I would still think that it is three separate > pieces. > De > > -----Original Message----- > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg > > De > > Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but > partlet and sleeves? > > alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 21:30:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2ULEE028344 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:30:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2UHx8005560; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:30:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F2Ttvp093707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2TliP037563; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2Thkc037488 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:29:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m215.in-tch.com [216.166.191.215]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1F2LCA03423 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:21:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001601c631d8$acb248e0$d7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:36:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:30:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F29239.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, how interesting! I always figured the puffs were faked, since they show no signs of embroidery.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses > In my interpretation of the portrait, I believe that the puffed sections are > attached to the bodice and the rose embroidered sleeves are detachable. But > others have interpreted the what I believe is a partlet and sleeves to be a > shirt. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 21:56:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2uBNt028894 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:56:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F2u4GI029545; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:56:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F2oMkP095483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2nNCK052913; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F2nJRE052846 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.60] (acty1060.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.60]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A3B5C397 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:49:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43F296A9.8080501@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:49:13 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians? 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Status: RO Hi. Most historians of knitting (there are only a few major ones and a lot of amateurs) agree that crochet started after 1650. There are a number of other techniques that superficially resemble each other, but those who practice them can show you the differences. Your friend wants to do a search on the works of Richard Rutt and Irena Turnau, the authors of the two most current scholarly works on the subject of knitting. The Turnau monograph may be available only through ILL, though, and Rutt's book is somewhat expensive, even as a reprint. Good Luck, Mike T. > Recently there was a discussion about the history of knitting. I didn't really pay to much attention to it since I do not knit. But a friend of mine is a knitter and wants to talk to anyone who does know the history of knitting. > If you can help, would you please contact me privately so I can get my friend in contact with you. > >Roscelin > >By the way, please excuse this question if it has been discussed. When did crocheting come along? I was told long ago that it started after 1650 - Is this true? I've been trying to convince a few of my needlework students that it is out of period for our group. >_______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 22:14:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F3E6B6029242 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:14:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F3E0M2004149; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F3DZ6D097360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F3DRQj073062; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F3DN7g073003 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1F3DMVR031082 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:13:22 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.88.204] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-88-204.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.88.204]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F3DDnO104548 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:13:18 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060214191100.032cd1b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:12:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians? 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Status: RO >By the way, please excuse this question if it has been discussed. When >did crocheting come along? I was told long ago that it started after 1650 >- Is this true? I've been trying to convince a few of my needlework >students that it is out of period for our group. Something like 1830, last I heard. It seems to be an outgrowth of tambour, which is chin stitch right thru fabric, very popular in the early 1800s. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 22:43:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F3hVZh029774 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:43:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F3hQuG015544; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:43:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F3gubW000289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F3glDI097798; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F3ghp3097739 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([151.199.159.250]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUP00CZNMB1GBM6@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:42:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:42:37 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians? To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <001f01c631e1$dd8b3bd0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <021520060105.20295.43F27E550000B91B00004F4722007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <43F296A9.8080501@dandy.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:43:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2A35E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a related note, no really, do you have a more current email address for the fine establishment of "The Practical Goose". I met you and them some few years ago at Pennisc, and believe you to be better acquainted to them than am I. I have a friend who would like to send some business there way, but the most recent address I have seems faulty. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tartaglio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians? > Hi. Most historians of knitting (there are only a few major ones and a lot > of amateurs) agree that crochet started after 1650. There are a number of > other techniques that superficially resemble each other, but those who > practice them can show you the differences. Your friend wants to do a > search on the works of Richard Rutt and Irena Turnau, the authors of the > two most current scholarly works on the subject of knitting. The Turnau > monograph may be available only through ILL, though, and Rutt's book is > somewhat expensive, even as a reprint. Good Luck, Mike T. > > >> Recently there was a discussion about the history of knitting. I >> didn't really pay to much attention to it since I do not knit. But a >> friend of mine is a knitter and wants to talk to anyone who does know the >> history of knitting. >> If you can help, would you please contact me privately so I can get my >> friend in contact with you. >> >>Roscelin >> >>By the way, please excuse this question if it has been discussed. When >>did crocheting come along? I was told long ago that it started after >>1650 - Is this true? I've been trying to convince a few of my needlework >>students that it is out of period for our group. >>_______________________________________________ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 22:44:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F3ht03029786 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:44:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F3hpmp012781; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:43:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F3hY92000378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F3hY2T098382; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F3gwan097926 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:42:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CEC518D2 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:42:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:36:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:43:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2A377.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:42 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. >http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > >Bjarne Thank you Bjarne, I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this interesting gown, from the House of Worth. http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" person, someone who likes to dress up with something that looks kinda right, but isn't. And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 23:30:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F4UCSV030743 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:30:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F4U8PD001507; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:30:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F4TfJv004390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F4TbGv036597; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:29:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F4TXZW036544 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:29:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D5642338FD for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:29:32 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:29:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] colonial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:30:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2AE50.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ooo...look what I found. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 14 23:36:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F4au6x030843 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:36:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F4ap66003973; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F4ZCgW004801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F4Z9KO040851; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F4Z5s8040795 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D0ECA33909 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:35:04 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:35:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:36:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2AFE3.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Okay perhaps I used the wrong label at least the online dictionarys seem to say so. It is usually defined as an ornamental, detachable front of a woman's bodice similar to a stomacher? This is a stomacher to give a rough idea. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_230.htm De -----Original Message----- What's a "plastron"? I looked up and the range was all over the place. I found one necklace of the Romanovs that was gorgeous but I don't know if that is what the term applies to or not. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 00:00:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F50Fwd031294 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:00:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F50Bds011515; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:00:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F4xmUS006650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:59:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F4xjFc059154; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F4xemo059112 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 818B4338E0 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:59:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:59:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001601c631d8$acb248e0$d7bfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:00:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2B55B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oops, I need to clarify. Yes the puffs are fake from my interpretation of the painting. I was trying through a fogged brain (still a bit fogged) to say the "epaulette"(?) or the sleeve section with the poofs coming out is attached to the gown bodice and the embroidered sleeves which I believe are detachable are tied onto either the corset or the arms eye of the gown's bodice. Does this make any sense? De -----Original Message----- Oh, how interesting! I always figured the puffs were faked, since they show no signs of embroidery.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- > In my interpretation of the portrait, I believe that the puffed sections are > attached to the bodice and the rose embroidered sleeves are detachable. But > others have interpreted the what I believe is a partlet and sleeves to be a > shirt. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 00:10:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F5AX9j031462 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:10:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F5ATkG014831; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:10:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F59rN9007641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F59pRV067453; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F59jkE067362 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A1C7338EE for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:09:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:09:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2B7C5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What did the dresses at the Ren Fest look like? Also, What period/year did you say you were trying for for hers and your costumes? You can get away with (if it is Tudor/Henry VIII style) a shift/chemise/shirt and the gown. Chemise could be lower thigh to knee length. You already have the headgear. If you can afford it. Get a light weight white linen for hers and yours chemises or 100% cotton. The linen fabric breaths and you will be somewhat cooler. De -----Original Message----- Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being different parts and still be accuate? With my daughter being so young, I think that fewer layers would be better for her. She won't be in any competition of costume so I think we can fudge the costume for comfort and design. It only has to please us. She'd like it whether it was "period" or not, as long as it looked like the ones we saw last year. She tried on a costume that was all one piece, including a collar that stood up behing the head. It fit her so well and she wanted it. I ran out of money long before we got to that vender. I purchased fabrics to make my gown and that wasn't cheap. My sister bought her a French hood and she wore it all day. When we found the costume, the vender let her try it on and I got a picture. At least we got that much. She planned to go back this year and play the part. She made friends and she will look them up for sure. Could be worse. She could be interested in the black hair and chains of the goth crowd. I'm not sure I could handle that. Dressing up for Renaissance Faire, we can share the time and have fun, too. This is my favorite time for costumes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 00:40:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F5eStw031919 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:40:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F5eO6w023763; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F5dY3M009461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F5dV8V088559; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F5dR1K088524 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD781DA0040C; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:34:48 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c631f2$356165e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060213182007.033e16c0@64.87.54.245> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO What I learned was that as castles were very cold and during religious services, everyone stood (no benches, ladies would actually stand on their long skirts for comfort and warmth. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:30 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking Hi all, Forgive me if you've seen this question on another list before, but I didn't get any response, so I was hoping those learned folk here would be able to provide some insight. I've been looking at the online effigies database (http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies), and was struck by the views of the women's garments from the 1520s to mid 1530s. Most images of that time frame don't go below the waist, so it's very nice to be able to view the feet, and bottoms of the kirtles and gowns. But when I see that the kirtles are flowing over the feet, I have to wonder. How do the ladies in the earlier Tudor (Henry VIII) era walk when their kirtles seem to be longer than they are tall? Examples are: Oakley woman (unknown) c1520 http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=81 Edith Pexall née Brocas (c1535) http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=95 Did they always have to lift all their skirts up to walk? Were they meant to be worn over farthingales, but just didn't wear the farthingales for the effigies? (I'm not even positive if farthingales were worn in England during this time frame.) I see dress hooks holding up the front of the gown, but what about the overflowing kirtles? Is it something else entirely? I also find it interesting that the gown hems are much shorter than kirtle hems. From the looks of things, gown hems appear to end above the ankles or so. I would love any and all comments, thoughts, or even speculation on this, please. Thank you, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 01:05:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F65idH032210 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:05:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F65dv5031564; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:05:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F65Ece011438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F65Ao0006458; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1F657XU006359 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:05:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 69873 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2006 06:05:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iw/kD1CiQUx8h5cqZM/iR5RRewTi/1qbfbltGPXO0WccwxPccGdhvOdCwY7MVZPYOl4cFPxFoQPSiVA6e/5q+q6rDVtbjDGFD/PmbXnv3Wds01Wx+xME6SreSRDE7AeYfpuYw77xH8kmsZbl84WN4wT2vf6BCp+4RzIdS5hXTAk= ; Message-ID: <20060215060501.69871.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.153.30.28] by web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:05:01 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c631f2$356165e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:05:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2C4B3.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I recently had the experience to spend the day outside in a misting rainy enviroment in skirts that touched the ground, if not lay upon the ground a bit. Even though the bottom ten inches or so were wet, my ankles and legs were not so cold as they were a little later when I found a belt that I could use to tuck up my skirts and get them off the wet ground. The longer the skirts are the less draft that can get up your skirts, therefore you stay warmer. I have also found I walk very differently in long skirts. One thing is I tend not to walk as fast, so skirts don't get tangled in my legs. The other is that for short steps up, I do a kind of kick with the front hem and the skirts don't get caught under my feet as I step up. alex "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: What I learned was that as castles were very cold and during religious services, everyone stood (no benches, ladies would actually stand on their long skirts for comfort and warmth. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:30 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking Hi all, Forgive me if you've seen this question on another list before, but I didn't get any response, so I was hoping those learned folk here would be able to provide some insight. I've been looking at the online effigies database (http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies), and was struck by the views of the women's garments from the 1520s to mid 1530s. Most images of that time frame don't go below the waist, so it's very nice to be able to view the feet, and bottoms of the kirtles and gowns. But when I see that the kirtles are flowing over the feet, I have to wonder. How do the ladies in the earlier Tudor (Henry VIII) era walk when their kirtles seem to be longer than they are tall? Examples are: Oakley woman (unknown) c1520 http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=81 Edith Pexall née Brocas (c1535) http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=95 Did they always have to lift all their skirts up to walk? Were they meant to be worn over farthingales, but just didn't wear the farthingales for the effigies? (I'm not even positive if farthingales were worn in England during this time frame.) I see dress hooks holding up the front of the gown, but what about the overflowing kirtles? Is it something else entirely? I also find it interesting that the gown hems are much shorter than kirtle hems. From the looks of things, gown hems appear to end above the ankles or so. I would love any and all comments, thoughts, or even speculation on this, please. Thank you, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 01:10:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F6Ae9H032303 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:10:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F6AZk4000563; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:10:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F69hCJ011696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F69gWB009651; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:09:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1F69b2n009590 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 23744 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 07:10:54 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:10:54 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:11:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:11:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:10:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2C5DB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Ooo...look what I found. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm > De I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever get to study garments like these in person. Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big help. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 01:35:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F6ZLPR000318 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:35:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F6ZH1B007929; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:35:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F6VxZA013464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F6VsHr025852; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:31:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F6VpPw025794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.52] (pool180-70.patriot.net [209.249.180.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k1F6VjtD004070 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:31:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001f01c631e1$dd8b3bd0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> References: <021520060105.20295.43F27E550000B91B00004F4722007507449C0A0901030704020704 0A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <43F296A9.8080501@dandy.net> <001f01c631e1$dd8b3bd0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:30:57 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:35:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2CBA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Rosecelin, A good source of knit historians is the Historic Kint list. It's a Yahoogroup, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/historicknit/ You didn't say what era you friend prefers - different people concentrate on different time periods, cultures, etc. There are a lot of great discussions. And we have talked about crochet, too, and it's beginnings. I do 18th century and crochet is not around for that era, either. -Carol >>> Recently there was a discussion about the history of knitting. >>>I didn't really pay to much attention to it since I do not knit. >>>But a friend of mine is a knitter and wants to talk to anyone who >>>does know the history of knitting. >>> If you can help, would you please contact me privately so I can >>>get my friend in contact with you. >>> >>>Roscelin >>> >>>By the way, please excuse this question if it has been discussed. >>>When did crocheting come along? I was told long ago that it >>>started after 1650 - Is this true? I've been trying to convince a >>>few of my needlework students that it is out of period for our >>>group. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 04:08:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F98WS1029531 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:08:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F98SMY028615; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F982OX039288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F97sac047190; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F97oTt047135 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE4F4A60926; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:03:11 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume for Elizabeth Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:08:00 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c6320f$51d8aa90$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:08:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2EF8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On my Tribe list, there is someone selling a Ren costume for an 8 yr old. Interested? If so, I'll send her your e-mail. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Elizabeth likes the Unknown child7 picture. That is the basic design I wanted to use. I'll keep that one to use for reference. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:31 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses > What kind of embroidery? Blackwork? > If your daughter is trying to be Elizabeth I as a Princess then you > are looking at early Tudor styles for women. Some children in > portraits of the 1500s. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1590 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1575-80 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ArabellaStewart.jpg 1577 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/WilliamBrooke.jpg 1567 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild7.jpg 1545 Florence > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Bia.jpg 1542 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild6.jpg 1541 > French/German? > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBJacquelineBourgogne.jpg 1530 > > As for roses, this is a partlet and sleeves not a shift but good for > inspiration http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg > > De > > > -----Original Message----- > Hi all, > I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift > and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would > like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find > black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, > preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind > of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor > flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of > interest for later but I would like to get started on > the roses soon. > Thanks, Cassandra > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 04:41:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F9fUre032484 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:41:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F9fNin008129; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:41:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F9f6bc046973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F9f4aN076186; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [202.136.32.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1F9f0B6076095 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@dodo.com.au) Received: from [61.68.235.245] (helo=GILGAMESH) by relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9J9d-0000lO-Or for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:58 +1100 Message-ID: <002a01c63213$f00dc700$f5eb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Purple Elephant" To: References: <200602150343.k1F3gmCd097815@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:11:02 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 141 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:41:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F2F743.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Kimiko, I walk and dance quite easily in 14th century dresses that are about 10-15cm longer than me at the front. The only time it becomes inconvenient is going up stairs or up a slope, or when you are carrying a lot of stuff as then it becomes difficult to get into the right way of walking. It's definitely an upper class thing, but the skirt puddling around the feet when you're standing still is quite an attractive effect. With regard to the shorter gowns, in the first link there, the woman's gown is clearly looped up over something (it's not her girdle, that is just above it). In the second the gown is definitely shorter, but there is a note with it saying that the Venetian ambassador noted in the 1550's that it was common for English women to have the gown shorter than the kirtle. I can't say this is something I've ever noticed, but I haven't paid a lot of attention to later Tudor (it's certainly nothing I've picked up in early Tudor dress), and the portraits from then do tend to mostly show the upper half. Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking > Hi all, > > Forgive me if you've seen this question on another list before, but I > didn't get any response, so I was hoping those learned folk here would be > able to provide some insight. > > I've been looking at the online effigies database > (http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies), and was struck by the views > of the women's garments from the 1520s to mid 1530s. Most images of that > time frame don't go below the waist, so it's very nice to be able to view > the feet, and bottoms of the kirtles and gowns. But when I see that the > kirtles are flowing over the feet, I have to wonder. How do the ladies in > the earlier Tudor (Henry VIII) era walk when their kirtles seem to be > longer than they are tall? > > Examples are: > Oakley woman (unknown) c1520 > http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=81 > > Edith Pexall née Brocas (c1535) > http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/browse/view.asp?id=95 > > Did they always have to lift all their skirts up to walk? Were they meant > to be worn over farthingales, but just didn't wear the farthingales for > the effigies? (I'm not even positive if farthingales were worn in England > during this time frame.) I see dress hooks holding up the front of the > gown, but what about the overflowing kirtles? Is it something else > entirely? > > I also find it interesting that the gown hems are much shorter than kirtle > hems. From the looks of things, gown hems appear to end above the ankles > or so. > > I would love any and all comments, thoughts, or even speculation on this, > please. > > Thank you, > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small > http://www.kimiko1.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild > Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires > Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland > (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) > > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 05:35:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAZbXx013033 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:35:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAZXNx024836; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:35:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FAYc6e053480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:34:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FAYWHT019932; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FAYTag019848 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24702.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.2]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 46BAC262854 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:34:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005601c6321b$68d76450$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13f.24c25a2d.3123d343@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F303F5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Made my day, beautifully executet was this with the guillotine? Just kittin Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" > > In a message dated 2/14/2006 5:34:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > Those > French....they may not be accurate, but they are beautifully executed! > > > > **************** > > > Hey....I made a French Revolution joke!!!! :-P > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 05:41:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAfuAc014724 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:41:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAfqvv026817; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FAfBOa054163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FAf96X025484; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FAf5hG025415 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24702.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.2]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CCEECA5007C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:41:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006d01c6321c$56e0bd40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c631d8$8536dce0$d7bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:41:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:41:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F30570.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh that sounds absoloutely lovely. I tryed to look up Colombines in my dictionary, but could not find it. Wich flowers are that? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > It could be a shirt (embroidered shirts with collars have certainly > survived), but I think people may also be keyed into the bits that show up > in texts (such as the lists of New Year's gifts in _Queen Elizabeth's > Wardrobe unlocked), and detail "partlets and sleeves" as a "set" and not a > single item. > I'd love to make an outfit based on this portrait some day (although my > plan > is to embroider sprigs of columbine, instead of roses), and I've always > figured I'd have a plain, narrow-sleeved, square-necked smock underneath > (with a bit of embroidery around the neckline), and the fancy bits I'd do > as > a shirt, if only so I wouldn't have to hassle with tying another set of > things together.... > I'd also do separate ruff/cuffs, for ease in washing. And I'd love to do > the gown in a good blue or perhaps purple or green wool (something to > coordinate with the columbines). > All-natural fibers and hand-sewn, of course! > --Sue, back-sliding 16th century costuming geek ;o) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:27 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > > >> Though I am not 100% sure that it is a partlet and sleeves, it looks as >> if >> she is wearing a chemise under the alleged partlet. >> Though once upon a time I would have said "because the sleeves and >> partlet >> look of different materials" but I have noticed a while back that the >> sleeves don't match real well either. :P >> I have noticed that the majority of costumers that have interpreted this >> portrait believe that it is a shirt. For convenience of construction I > would >> probably make a shirt but I would still think that it is three separate >> pieces. >> De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg >> >> De >> >> Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but >> partlet and sleeves? >> >> alex > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 05:49:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAn6fP017302 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:49:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAn2Jp029291; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:49:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FAmnsk054941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FAmmaM032006; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FAmibQ031924 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24702.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.2]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 12C7DA5007F for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:48:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:48:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:49:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3071E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thats interresting. Its funny they want to keep the edwardian shape even for renaissance. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > At 09:42 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. >>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 >> >>Bjarne > > > Thank you Bjarne, > > I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this interesting > gown, from the House of Worth. > http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 > > I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for the > well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" person, > someone who likes to dress up with something that looks kinda right, but > isn't. > > And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 05:52:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAqcQ9017814 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:52:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FAqYfe030438; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:52:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FApvb8055315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FApuR4034560; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FAprfk034527 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24702.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.2]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1711F26288B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:51:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008901c6321d$dc0cbae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:52:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:52:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F307F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, We disgussed this dress some time ago on 18th century womens list. The most interresting thing about it is the lace wich is used for the trimmings. We ended up with that this could be the USA made Ipswich laces. This pattern must be very old, as i have the same pattern in a Tønder Lace. Very easy to do......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] colonial > Ooo...look what I found. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 06:07:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FB7klC020294 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:07:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FB7gxo003259; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:07:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FB6cYK056582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FB6alI044785; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:06:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FB6WSU044669 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1FB6QT14643.; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:06:26 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:06:26 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:06:11 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Columbine, was Smock or Partlet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1FB6WSU044669 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:07:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F30B7E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Its Latin name is Aquilegia Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 15/02/2006 10:41 >>> Oh that sounds absoloutely lovely. I tryed to look up Colombines in my dictionary, but could not find it. Wich flowers are that? Bjarne ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 06:16:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBGqeK021178 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:16:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBGmsE006026; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:16:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FBG50m057296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBG1rI051991; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBFvun051895 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D779333895 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:15:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:15:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:16:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F30DA0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oooo wedding dress!!!!!:) What color? De -----Original Message----- Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big help. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 06:21:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBLr1Z021677 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:21:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBLnMG007608; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FBG5DO057295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBG1OF051992; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBFvXC051905 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7192D338A8 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:15:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:15:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:21:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F30ECD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Almost like the Renaissance Italy versions of the Roman classic styles. De -----Original Message----- Thats interresting. Its funny they want to keep the edwardian shape even for renaissance. Bjarne - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 06:28:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBSBYh023977 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:28:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBS7Qt009485; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:28:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FBRVM8058556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBRSeY061329; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:27:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav15.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBRPJh061218 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:27:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:27:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:27:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 11:27:22.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9BE3300:01C63222] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:28:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F31047.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Holy Crapola, that dress is beautiful, but really badly mounted. So I wouldn't trust all of their information, especially about the gown meeting edge to edge at the centrefront. I wish they had taken the time to mount the dress proprely, then you would be able to see all it's glory in the photos...they are great photos, I'm bummed ;-( If you are interested in more information about dresses from this time period, check out Janet Arnold's book on this period, also Louisbourg National Historic Site, published booklets on clothing from this time period a few years back, they are complete with patterns and tailoring details. Their website is http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/ , you may be able to contact them for a copy. For those who are interested in this era, come join me and a few hundred others at Louisbourg's Grande Encampment this year! Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial > >> Ooo...look what I found. >> http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm >> De > > I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the > clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever > get to study garments like these in person. > > Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which > will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can > about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big > help. > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 06:49:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBn4hh028577 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:49:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBmxB9015552; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:49:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FBmQO8061109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBmN5N078747; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBmFNW078671 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98726338A1 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:48:14 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:48:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006d01c6321c$56e0bd40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:49:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3152B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.flowerpictures.net/perennials/columbine.htm I think the Dutch call it Agley or Akelei. A few other names, origins unknown: Culverwort, Jovisblume, Alderblume, Glockenblume. De -----Original Message----- Oh that sounds absolutely lovely. I tried to look up Colombines in my dictionary, but could not find it. Which flowers are they? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 06:51:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBp5NV029637 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:51:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FBp1oL008652; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:51:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FBoova061270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBone2080556; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FBojnn080495 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-90.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.90]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FBohII015458 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:50:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060215053821.01cccfc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:43:21 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Effigy Corset In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:51:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F315A5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wore mine at Pennsic and was able to bend in every direction (I used only a single steel bone in the front for the large whalebone piece), as if I wasn't wearing it. Admittedly, I did break some reeds at the waist doing this, but that didn't effect the comfort level or support. In fact, the broken reeds affected things so minimally that I never did replace them before that corset got retired. It was THE most comfortable thing I ever wore and was no trouble at all for potty breaks (provided it isn't too long in front), or at least no trouble than all those skirts etc... can possibly be. Cheers, Danielle At 05:12 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: >To those who have made this corset. How is it for bending over and/or >twisting? Can you bend over from the waist or do you do the Stewardess >kneel down, back straight? How about potty breaks? > > >Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey >Never attribute to malice what can as easily >be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 07:37:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FCbXF0007070 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:37:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FCbTc9032294; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FCb6al064851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FCauK3013618; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav6.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FCarLI013574 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:36:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:36:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:36:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 12:36:50.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E0FC3B0:01C6322C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:37:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F32089.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How is the stomacher attached? It has tabs, but in the picture you linked to I don't see how it attached. The description said it was removable like a jewel. It covered the corset lacings. How was it held in place? ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > Okay perhaps I used the wrong label at least the online dictionarys seem > to > say so. It is usually defined as an ornamental, detachable front of a > woman's bodice similar to a stomacher? > This is a stomacher to give a rough idea. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_230.htm > De > > -----Original Message----- > What's a "plastron"? I looked up and the range was all over the place. I > found one necklace of the Romanovs that was gorgeous but I don't know if > that is what the term applies to or not. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 07:48:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FCmVQj007352 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:48:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FCmRv0004071; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:48:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FCjUf1065452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FCjR2M020278; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FCjO8H020208 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:45:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:45:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c6320f$51d8aa90$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume for Elizabeth Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:45:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 12:45:21.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEA58CC0:01C6322D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:48:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3231B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, I'd like to see it. I'd buy it if it is the correct one for her. The decision is up to her, but I know I can convience her if the price is right for me. Please forward my email to the person. I'd appreciate it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume for Elizabeth > On my Tribe list, there is someone selling a Ren costume for an 8 yr old. > Interested? If so, I'll send her your e-mail. > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Becky > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:52 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses > > > Elizabeth likes the Unknown child7 picture. That is the basic design I > wanted to use. I'll keep that one to use for reference. > Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:31 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses > > >> What kind of embroidery? Blackwork? >> If your daughter is trying to be Elizabeth I as a Princess then you >> are looking at early Tudor styles for women. Some children in >> portraits of the 1500s. >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1590 >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild1.jpg 1575-80 >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ArabellaStewart.jpg 1577 >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/WilliamBrooke.jpg 1567 >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild7.jpg 1545 Florence >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Bia.jpg 1542 >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild6.jpg 1541 >> French/German? >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBJacquelineBourgogne.jpg 1530 >> >> As for roses, this is a partlet and sleeves not a shift but good for >> inspiration http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg >> >> De >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Hi all, >> I'd like to embroider some Tudor roses on a shift >> and I cannot draw, really cannot draw. So I would >> like to know if there is somewhere on-line I can find >> black and white line drawings of Tudor roses, >> preferably the five petal kind. Books with this kind >> of line drawing would also be great. Other Tudor >> flowers suitable for embroidery would also be of >> interest for later but I would like to get started on >> the roses soon. >> Thanks, Cassandra >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 07:58:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FCwmSK007568 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:58:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FCwi7F008076; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:58:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FCvrej066407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FCvnDM030313; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav11.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FCvkj2030261 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:57:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:57:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:57:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 12:57:46.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AACD080:01C6322F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:58:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F32584.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes. I've read just about every document on how to make these period costumes. I searched online for images and dairies for help. I found the diaries very helpful. I borrowed a copy of Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked from a library. It had lots of details but not what I wanted... suggested patterns. Quite a heavy book! I've seen the eyelet and ribbon attachments on several examples. I saved where they were and images to a disk so I have a collection of parts to use for my costume. I have patterns to use for parts and I guess it'll be a pick-and-choose to get it all like I want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses > Oops, I need to clarify. Yes the puffs are fake from my interpretation of > the painting. I was trying through a fogged brain (still a bit fogged) to > say the "epaulette"(?) or the sleeve section with the poofs coming out is > attached to the gown bodice and the embroidered sleeves which I believe > are > detachable are tied onto either the corset or the arms eye of the gown's > bodice. > Does this make any sense? > De > > -----Original Message----- > Oh, how interesting! I always figured the puffs were faked, since they > show > no signs of embroidery.... > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> In my interpretation of the portrait, I believe that the puffed sections > are >> attached to the bodice and the rose embroidered sleeves are detachable. > But >> others have interpreted the what I believe is a partlet and sleeves to be > a >> shirt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 08:19:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FDJnmO008148 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:19:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FDJjjw017936; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:19:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FDFpYJ067736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FDFnhg046030; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:15:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FDFjbL045948 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-90.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.90]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FDFhec011718 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:15:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060215070947.01d10b38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:14:54 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Fabric for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:19:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F32A71.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings, I have a bunch of fabric for sale and I know not everyone on this list is on the Yahoogroups Swap & Sell or Costume Trader lists so I had my husband put them up on the web for me, more will be going up soon, including a couple of bonnets - one I made and the other a new "Hatcrafters" one that never got worn. If you're at all interested in any of it, please contact me at dannw at mn.rr.com Sorry for this rather commercial message... http://www.cyberiosity.com/FabricSale/Default.html Cheers, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 09:14:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FEEqb7009315 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:14:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FEEmkB012476; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:14:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FECHIC073080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FECCTh098440; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FEC7YE098339 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24702.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.2]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DC24262869 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:12:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c63239$cab9d9a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:11:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:14:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F33758.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Deredere, Now i know, we call it Akkeleje in danish. Thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > http://www.flowerpictures.net/perennials/columbine.htm > I think the Dutch call it Agley or Akelei. > A few other names, origins unknown: Culverwort, Jovisblume, Alderblume, > Glockenblume. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Oh that sounds absolutely lovely. I tried to look up Colombines in my > dictionary, but could not find it. Which flowers are they? > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 09:26:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FEQHq7009595 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:26:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FEQDYc018448; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FEJNlU073721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FEJL8n005541; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FEJIwr005487 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24702.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.2]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 707F3A500A4 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:19:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c6323a$ce92ffb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:19:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:26:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F33A05.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Becky. Stomachers could be attached on top of the stays with the small tabs in the sides, or it could be directly pinned into the bodice sides of the dress. Pins was used to do this. Most ladies i know hate to pin with dressing pins, afraid it will heart somebody or themselves. However i dont think bad things could happend. This is what they did back then. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > How is the stomacher attached? It has tabs, but in the picture you linked > to I don't see how it attached. The description said it was removable like > a jewel. It covered the corset lacings. How was it held in place? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:35 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > > >> Okay perhaps I used the wrong label at least the online dictionarys seem >> to >> say so. It is usually defined as an ornamental, detachable front of a >> woman's bodice similar to a stomacher? >> This is a stomacher to give a rough idea. >> http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_230.htm >> De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> What's a "plastron"? I looked up and the range was all over the place. I >> found one necklace of the Romanovs that was gorgeous but I don't know if >> that is what the term applies to or not. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:27:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFRqHD011012 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:27:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFRmCB015826; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:27:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFQ4wb083241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFQ0tl072443; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFPpfI072223 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1FFHJA27749 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:17:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000d01c63245$188f1400$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:32:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:27:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F34874.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oooooh, we wants it, precioussssss......yes, we do..... --Sue, apparently channeling Gollum this morning ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] colonial > Ooo...look what I found. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:29:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFTB7s011034 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:29:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFT5CM016017; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFSAnk084125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFS85w075224; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFS5w4075156 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1FFJYA28375 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:19:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001401c63245$690f9940$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:35:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F348C1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes. Thanks for the clarification. I think that if the sleeves aren't part of a shirt, they'd either tie onto the armscye of the partlet, or *perhaps* the gown. Corset hadn't occured to me though...what led you to think of that? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses > Oops, I need to clarify. Yes the puffs are fake from my interpretation of > the painting. I was trying through a fogged brain (still a bit fogged) to > say the "epaulette"(?) or the sleeve section with the poofs coming out is > attached to the gown bodice and the embroidered sleeves which I believe are > detachable are tied onto either the corset or the arms eye of the gown's > bodice. > Does this make any sense? > De > > -----Original Message----- > Oh, how interesting! I always figured the puffs were faked, since they show > no signs of embroidery.... > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > In my interpretation of the portrait, I believe that the puffed sections > are > > attached to the bodice and the rose embroidered sleeves are detachable. > But > > others have interpreted the what I believe is a partlet and sleeves to be > a > > shirt. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:30:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFUKD3011071 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:30:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFUGPZ017088; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:30:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFTTUs084447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFTR8d076606; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFTOwT076471 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB9GUE7ARGVKJA for (sender ); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LG9T9XG3; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:28:05 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:18:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians? Message-ID: <20060215.072755.3388.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,11-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3560598859 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgg1slQIRmAdBKP1BE8gIaNs= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:30:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F34908.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Recently there was a discussion about the history of knitting. > I didn't really pay to much attention to it since I do not knit. > But a friend of mine is a knitter and wants to talk to anyone who > does know the history of knitting. > > If you can help, would you please contact me privately so I can > get my friend in contact with you. > > > >Roscelin Contact Mistress Nan Compton, who started the An Tir Spinners and Knitters Guild. She will be able to give your friend tons of help, and can be reach at Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:32:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFWpA3011153 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:32:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFWjZ1018419; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFLaP0082594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFLVDM068197; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:21:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFLAru067870 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51683 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2006 15:21:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CjqFATK/vq0dxp33TvIfnglYD7ZvGARttF2p+HOFrAL4abIl2dFGbxSTOVrh9H/btEfFbwPn5iGyC+/PtSbq76ETwuWaAdlZF9QY6zV/IV4IOaDz6Q6mKGemvFuhdBO8b/5xGLt3hol8QzhIpDHFZhfd3BET3Ke3Jvesam3nhOE= ; Message-ID: <20060215152105.51681.qmail@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:21:05 PST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001001c6319f$7c801e10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:32:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3499D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hmm.... so you think they had a corset with tabs to which the bumroll was attached and over it the dress? So the dress itself should be of two parts - the skirt and the bodice. One thing that remains a mystery to me is this perfect fit of the bodices - I'd say they were at least stiffened with something. AlbertCat@aol.com says they were boned. This thing with attaching the bumroll to the tabs of the corset is quite interesting - I've never heard about it before. You know it from the Evolution of Fashion? It's a real pity I haven't got that book. But it's a good tip for buying, thanks:-)) Just one thing - how far on the tabs would the bumroll be, I mean, just at the waist or an inch or two lower? Just to know how to make the waistline of that bumroll. Zuzana Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I think they wore a bodice under the dress wich had a peplum or large tabs. And i would guess there was lacing holes on top of the tabs, to hold up a small bumroll. Corsets must have ben worn to give this push up breasts, and smooth bodice. How they looked like, i really would have loved to see. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:38:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFcfK1011271 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:38:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFcbgY021114; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:38:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFaZ3C086352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFaUIQ084860; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFaOih084726 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 14047 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 07:36:23 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14028, pid: 14036, t: 4.6410s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1289 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 07:36:18 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215073428.0231d008@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:36:13 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses In-Reply-To: <006701c631d5$8e594d10$0401010a@michaela> References: <20060214203907.31823.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006701c631d5$8e594d10$0401010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:38:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F34AFD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:14 PM 2/14/2006, you wrote: > > Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being > > different parts and still be accuate? > >Well the intent of the sleeves is to not look different to the partlet, if >they are indeed seperate items;) > >I personally feel she is wearing a garment similar to the smock in the V&A >that is heavily embroidered and would surely not have been worn next to the >skin: >http://costume.dm.net/va/smocks.html >There is a typo, the chemise is all linen, but of two grades. It is not a >silk upper half. > > >In regards to seperate items, I am not discounting that they exist. > >Does anyone remember what book has a picture of some blackworked sleeves in >it? I know there is also a picture of uncut blackworked sleeves somewhere >else as well. > >They show that there were indeed seperate items, even aside from what is in >written inventories (which can be hard to understand given the change of >language over time.) > >michaela >http://glittersweet.com > I think that the book you are referring to is QEWU. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:41:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFfxGK011355 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:41:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFftNA022720; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:41:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFf73P086986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:41:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFf3VX089859; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFexVN089779 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1FFWTA01958 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:32:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004c01c63247$36ccdc20$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:48:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:41:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F34BC3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks, De! I didn't know how to describe them for Bjarne. I like columbines, and specifically chose them for my SCA heraldry because the plant is found in both my part of the U.S. and in Europe. They come in all kinds of riotous color combinations, too. --Sue, starting to long for Spring so she can work in her garden.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > http://www.flowerpictures.net/perennials/columbine.htm > I think the Dutch call it Agley or Akelei. > A few other names, origins unknown: Culverwort, Jovisblume, Alderblume, > Glockenblume. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Oh that sounds absolutely lovely. I tried to look up Colombines in my > dictionary, but could not find it. Which flowers are they? > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:50:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFoQE0011543 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:50:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFoMsn026420; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:50:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFmC7C087942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFmAdS097064; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:48:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFm5s8096963 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:48:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 653 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 07:48:05 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 646, pid: 647, t: 2.2093s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1289 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 07:48:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:47:57 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:50:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F34DBE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:48 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >Thats interresting. Its funny they want to keep the edwardian shape >even for renaissance. > >Bjarne > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:36 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > > >>At 09:42 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >>>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. >>>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 >>> >>>Bjarne >> >> >>Thank you Bjarne, >> >>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this >>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. >>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 >> >>I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for >>the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" >>person, someone who likes to dress up with something that looks >>kinda right, but isn't. >> >>And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. >> >>Kimiko I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress (costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very funny. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:53:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFrOhX011638 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:53:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFrKoV027880; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:53:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFqjCV088377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFqEO6001156; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:52:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFpf5d000706 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 27232 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 07:51:41 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 27225, pid: 27226, t: 0.7736s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1289 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 07:51:41 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215075107.023c0c30@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:51:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:53:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F34E70.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:36 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >How is the stomacher attached? It has tabs, but in the picture you >linked to I don't see how it attached. The description said it was >removable like a jewel. It covered the corset lacings. How was it >held in place? Most of those would be pinned in place. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 10:54:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFsvF4011676 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:54:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FFsrbV000791; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:54:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFsANZ088553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFs8tM002974; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFs2mt002833 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 5270 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 15:52:13 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:52:13 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:55:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:55:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:54:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F34ECD.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Oooo wedding dress!!!!!:) What color? > De Well, that has been the hardest part. I want to do a white-ish color white, cream, chanpagne, etc.) but my accent color is a deep purple-blue. I originally intended to make it white with the blue accents but the contrast is so big! I am still trying to figure out how to do it. I am very inspired by this painting: http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 But I also like the split-skirt style like the garment just posted. Sigh....so many ideas and I only get to choose one! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:02:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FG2Gwk011911 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:02:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FG2C4p032207; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFthws088739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFthAB004635; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFtdmm004574 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 2503 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 07:55:39 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2493, pid: 2495, t: 3.0770s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1289 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 07:55:36 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215075220.02333150@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:55:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Pattern suggestions, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:02:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F35084.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:57 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >Yes. I've read just about every document on how to make these period >costumes. I searched online for images and dairies for help. I found >the diaries very helpful. I borrowed a copy of Queen Elizabeth's >Wardrobe Unlocked from a library. It had lots of details but not >what I wanted... suggested patterns. Quite a heavy book! >I've seen the eyelet and ribbon attachments on several examples. I >saved where they were and images to a disk so I have a collection of >parts to use for my costume. I have patterns to use for parts and I >guess it'll be a pick-and-choose to get it all like I want. Have you checked out Margo Anderson's Historic Patterns? She has complete packages with sizes from 2 to 30. I have the original set of Ladies' Underpinnings, Ladies' Gown, and Accessories. Her web site is http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm . Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:03:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FG3Dx3011925 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:03:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FG39nS006731; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FG2aI6089840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FG2XiB013060; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FG2R06012943 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8124 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 16:00:44 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:44 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:04:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1180.67.188.164.116.1140019448.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:04:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F350BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Holy Crapola, that dress is beautiful, but really badly mounted. So I > wouldn't trust all of their information, especially about the gown meeting > edge to edge at the centrefront. I wish they had taken the time to mount > the dress proprely, then you would be able to see all it's glory in the > photos...they are great photos, I'm bummed ;-( Sorry, I hit send accidently! If you think that one is mounted badly, check this one out: http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_431.htm I LOVE this jacket, but it looks so awful there! > If you are interested in more information about dresses from this time > period, check out Janet Arnold's book on this period, I have the book but I don't remember many construction pictures in it. And I work much better from pictures than somebody's description. I will take a look at it again now that I know more about the period. >also Louisbourg > National Historic Site, published booklets on clothing from this time > period > a few years back, they are complete with patterns and tailoring details. > Their website is http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/ , you may be able to contact > them for a copy. Thanks, I will check it out. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:04:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FG41Zg011946 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:04:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FG3vwD018839; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:04:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FFtEXb088685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FFtDpQ004078; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFt7T8003972 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 5434 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 15:53:22 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:53:22 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:56:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1161.67.188.164.116.1140019006.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:04:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F350ED.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Holy Crapola, that dress is beautiful, but really badly mounted. So I > wouldn't trust all of their information, especially about the gown meeting > edge to edge at the centrefront. I wish they had taken the time to mount > the dress proprely, then you would be able to see all it's glory in the > photos...they are great photos, I'm bummed ;-( > > If you are interested in more information about dresses from this time > period, check out Janet Arnold's book on this period, also Louisbourg > National Historic Site, published booklets on clothing from this time > period > a few years back, they are complete with patterns and tailoring details. > Their website is http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/ , you may be able to contact > them for a copy. > > For those who are interested in this era, come join me and a few hundred > others at Louisbourg's Grande Encampment this year! > > Kelly/estela > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Habra" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:11 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial > > >> >>> Ooo...look what I found. >>> http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm >>> De >> >> I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the >> clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever >> get to study garments like these in person. >> >> Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which >> will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can >> about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big >> help. >> >> Diana >> >> www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >> "Everything for the Costumer" >> >> "Become the change you want to see in the world." >> --Ghandi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:10:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGATfi012095 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:10:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGAPqk003766; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FG4MPl090224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FG4K4w015114; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:04:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FG4Dni014987 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52515 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 16:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.28 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 16:04:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060215155959.01d6be18@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:01:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net> References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:10:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F35271.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:47 15/02/2006, you wrote: >At 02:48 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >>Thats interresting. Its funny they want to keep the edwardian shape >>even for renaissance. >> >> >>>At 09:42 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >>>>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. >>>>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 >>>> >>>>Bjarne >>> >>> >>>Thank you Bjarne, >>> >>>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this >>>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. >>>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 >>> >>>I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for >>>the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of >>>faire" person, someone who likes to dress up with something that >>>looks kinda right, but isn't. >>> >>>And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. >>> >>>Kimiko > >I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy >dress (costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's >viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very funny. > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net There is a lovely book, probably out of print now, called "Van Dyck in Check Trousers" which is about exactly this subject. Has some great "historical" examples, mainly in paintings, but also some photos. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:30:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGUpcZ012667 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:30:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGUkK8013464; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:30:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FGSieR094291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:28:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGSKGI042843; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav16.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGSBgN042617 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:28:09 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:28:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060214203907.31823.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com><006701c631d5$8e594d10$0401010a@michaela> <7.0.1.0.2.20060215073428.0231d008@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:28:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 16:28:09.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF032170:01C6324C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:30:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F35736.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yep, interlibrary loan found it for me. I couldn't afford to buy it myself. It's a nice book but not what I expected. I read fantastic stories of the designs and details that no other book had. A great source for Tudor, but not helpful about MAKING the costume I want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > At 06:14 PM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >> > Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being >> > different parts and still be accuate? >> >>Well the intent of the sleeves is to not look different to the partlet, if >>they are indeed seperate items;) >> >>I personally feel she is wearing a garment similar to the smock in the V&A >>that is heavily embroidered and would surely not have been worn next to >>the >>skin: >>http://costume.dm.net/va/smocks.html >>There is a typo, the chemise is all linen, but of two grades. It is not a >>silk upper half. >> >> >>In regards to seperate items, I am not discounting that they exist. >> >>Does anyone remember what book has a picture of some blackworked sleeves >>in >>it? I know there is also a picture of uncut blackworked sleeves somewhere >>else as well. >> >>They show that there were indeed seperate items, even aside from what is >>in >>written inventories (which can be hard to understand given the change of >>language over time.) >> >>michaela >>http://glittersweet.com >> > > I think that the book you are referring to is QEWU. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:31:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGVxPi012698 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:31:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGVtN1026243; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:31:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FGL3R6093096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGKxpL034553; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGKrhL034358 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:20:48 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:20:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215075220.02333150@surewest.net> Subject: Re: Pattern suggestions, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:20:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 16:20:48.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8287B30:01C6324B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:31:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3577B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've seen that before and wanted it. I decided to buy the set. My husband forgot Valentine's Day so this is my gift to myself. Paypal is great sometimes. Paid and on it's way to my house. I hope the package includes all the sizes. Anyone have this? Any suggestions? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Pattern suggestions, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses > At 04:57 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >>Yes. I've read just about every document on how to make these period >>costumes. I searched online for images and dairies for help. I found the >>diaries very helpful. I borrowed a copy of Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe >>Unlocked from a library. It had lots of details but not what I wanted... >>suggested patterns. Quite a heavy book! >>I've seen the eyelet and ribbon attachments on several examples. I saved >>where they were and images to a disk so I have a collection of parts to >>use for my costume. I have patterns to use for parts and I guess it'll be >>a pick-and-choose to get it all like I want. > > Have you checked out Margo Anderson's Historic Patterns? She has complete > packages with sizes from 2 to 30. I have the original set of Ladies' > Underpinnings, Ladies' Gown, and Accessories. Her web site is > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm . > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:41:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGfTXl012972 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:41:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGfPSo019485; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:41:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FGewLJ095975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGeshG057148; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGenYh056942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9Pht-0005M5-5J; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:40:45 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:40:45 -0600 Message-ID: <20060215104045.g6kkyuqiii0w4wc0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:40:45 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Thanks Deredere, > Now i know, we call it Akkeleje in danish. Cool. The genus name is Aquilegia. It's in the buttercup family. I've toyed with trying to transform one of the english columbines Elizabethan patterns into the American columbine. Ours is not as "fat" and the spurs are *much* longer. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Wildflower/Images/columbine.jpg Susan, the (spring) wildflower junkie ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 11:56:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGufCv013370 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:56:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FGubr8027523; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FGoMP5097215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGoKTL067537; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FGoFs4067332 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28966 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2006 16:50:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u8wpYS5bSowQjS+YBk+Ys7snu0fOuqhMGizJKS1Cy7r4WkdiZNSh6U9IRZ4HVb/LQfTdWF+BgNDrCntaO2dooT5agGyQS+sbi8Qi+WvVha97Vx83lD92cCc3S4V57DQrbjyzIkFpLAIF3kyLe2yc5piwIq6jEINLumVwK5mgn5w= ; Message-ID: <20060215165004.28964.qmail@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:50:04 PST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:50:04 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602150343.k1F3gmCc097815@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 141 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:56:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F35D45.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO rotflmao - almost sprayed my computer with my morning coffee! h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:43:47 EST From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" In a message dated 2/14/2006 5:34:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Those French....they may not be accurate, but they are beautifully executed! **************** Hey....I made a French Revolution joke!!!! :-P --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 12:10:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHAZZT013760 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:10:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHAV6e001884; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:10:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FHA1YV099981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FH9uMZ088518; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:09:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FH9pve088428 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ABAAEDA for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:09:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060214233258.03446660@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:55:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060213182007.033e16c0@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1FH9pve088428 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:10:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F36087.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:36 PM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >Not sure why the 'gown shorter than the kirtle' idea? Can you explain? > >As for the length of dresses seeming long, we in the modern era walk >differently than ladies of the historical era would have. If, when you are >walking, you let your toes drop to a relax point when stepping forward, it >is difficult to step on your hem, as you push it away with the toe of your >foot. There is also a little half kick/ swirl movement to move your back >hem (which is sometimes trained) out of the way when you turn around. The >only time I ever lift my skirt hem is when I'm climbing stairs. > >Kelly/estela Hi Kelly/estela Thank you for your reply, and clarifications on how to walk in a long gown. I was simply noting what I saw, and what Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies has written on that page, as follows on the last image: "Edith Pexall née Brocas (c1535) - Hem The top layer (the gown) is shorter than the under layer (the kirtle). This was described as characteristic of Englishwomen's dress by the Venetian ambassador in 1554 (quoted in Carter, A [1984] “Mary Tudor’s Wardrobe” in Costume, 18, 20)." This image is direct, and shows what I mean. http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/assets/main/95_137_main.jpg I had always presumed that the outer gown was longer or the same length than the kirtle worn underneath, yet that seems to not be the case in this effigy, and apparently, in English gowns of the time. The kirtles shown in the effigy are very long, over the feet long, as in they would be a few inches lower than the ground long when you are standing. I don't follow how the skirts would be constantly pooling around your feet when you are standing and walking, and not trip a lot. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 12:39:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHdFLQ014536 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHdBdV015297; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FHbGQw003989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHb2kA017412; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHauYb017312 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so1633354nzi for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:36:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=syXS32ea1KQCbZAnVd/eyriuLOE6tr5i/o/rd3e+3w6tE+AJSzfUXC2NCq1FZjezMGQ4/BwuaoZrGJt8oDseb8b3BgUU8FFF4qw1mZR2XmGLdwIP8snlJ18SDfijNatG1JkF6vqUeYbrAql1npaWcnDTgSNmztnI0ELRrU8N54U= Received: by 10.65.219.8 with SMTP id w8mr94489qbq; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:36:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:36:55 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1FHauYb017312 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: women costumes from "The three musketeers" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3673F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > This thing with attaching the bumroll to the tabs of the corset is quite interesting -> I've never heard about it before. Zuzana I dont think the bumme needs to be attached. It's supported with those things called hips. Since the narrower part that ties goes under the corset CF it's wont twist on the body. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >Corsets must have ben worn to give this push up breasts, and smooth bodice. >How they looked like, i really would have loved to see. Exactly. That straight-laced smooth body is sooooo much easier to fit with a smooth bodice than lumpy loose modern women. No, the bodice is not "padded", the interior structure is interfacing. Basic Butterick & Simplicity sewing skills cannot reproduce the effect. Get one of the Couture "how-to" books like Palmer-Pletch or Shaeffer. Once you learn how modern couture construction technically works, you will understand Janet Arnold, Blanche Payne, Norah Waugh and others' notes and pictures better. I'm hoping to get my copy of The Tudor Tailor soon. When I started costuming there just werent any books around on early construction and tailoring, only on cutting diagrams. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 12:39:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHdgX8014558 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHdcKE009917; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FHd0O1004204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHcwWR019217; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHccCG018855 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1e0.4d947dff (15863) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d18 (mblk-d18.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.10]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df743f3671242; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:38:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:38:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8006DC31FBB4D-788-1C270@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602151420.k1FEJpFn006047@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:38:26 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602151420.k1FEJpFn006047@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.10 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor roses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3675A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky -- I don't know where to get child-sized patterns; you may have to draft them yourself (it's not hard, really, with little kids); but here are two sites which may help you -- http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/gowns/velvetgown/gettingstarted.htm This is a dress diary that discusses where and how to get the patterns for a Tudor gown like the one you've chosen for your daughter. http://www.reddawn.net/costume/costpat.htm And here's a site that reviews commercial costume patterns for their historicity. Hope this helps! Tea Rose =================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:57:44 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses It had lots of details but not what I wanted... suggested patterns. I have patterns to use for parts and I guess it'll be a pick-and-choose to get it all like I want. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 12:46:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHke7R014729 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:46:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHkaBq018799; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:46:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FHjebr005105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:45:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHjYEk026059; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:45:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHjTcd025964 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so1758794nzf for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=F9AEy8u0sLTZplL73kYBhxVsKKyz6PSbSyEj/72tyySgUnAb7Cji6kb1xwuaON8Z7CDsGYnIKXQku8trfxuS+2es5OIbE12GfWRVhA1syKqNnLQu8l0zwRPUelN4fYkzYH0sAZthfP5BpeYGDs/Adg5guMVLD9bhliMgQgmSFe8= Received: by 10.64.24.20 with SMTP id 20mr94923qbx; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:45:24 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: was: fancy dress costumes Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1FHjTcd025964 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:46:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F368FC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Subject: >>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this >>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. >>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 >I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress >(costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's >viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very funny. I have several fancy dress fashion plates, too. My personal favorite is the "kimono" set of curraise gowns entitled "Receiving in the Japanese Room" (peterson's 1879). The dolmans are a marvelous combo of geisha & victorian. It's so well loved it's on my wall in the dining room. At the Pitti Palace in Florence, there was a small collection on display of 19th repros of earlier styles. I loved the 1840s(?) version of 15th c Florentine. It's in the Galleria di Costume catalogs. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 12:48:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHmwp0014799 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:48:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FHmr55019709; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FHm0AL005402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:48:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHlw1L028486; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FHlq6P028294 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19206 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2006 17:47:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5M/Qp5kLzDlPbwknmjtOo+Vz+ShfgRxjW+CY0TVtXgoIZVaO803HJ2zOj1Ash2QUkEtN243HyfKT8jxrYP8ndTJnWXZmho9Sq2mUwfqw15lx28Of5On/cUGRUoB7MEk7D3HoJDe7cBUVwSvhACNHeetUNoNtBI4XjLvV+W45YqQ= ; Message-ID: <20060215174746.19204.qmail@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:47:46 PST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: "h-costume@indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Roses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:48:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F36985.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Found this embroidery pattern while looking for something else. They call it "English Rose" but it looks like the right thing to me. Hope it helps. http://www.dragonbear.com/cenrose.html Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 13:09:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FI9kln015250 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:09:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FI9fDt028946; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:09:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FI8S6l008179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FI8SaF050347; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FI8L0Z050228 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 441 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 10:08:20 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 414, pid: 425, t: 3.1120s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1289 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 10:08:17 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215100632.0239be70@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:08:12 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial In-Reply-To: <1180.67.188.164.116.1140019448.squirrel@webmail.inreach.co m> References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <1180.67.188.164.116.1140019448.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:09:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F36E65.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:04 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >[anip] > > If you are interested in more information about dresses from this time > > period, check out Janet Arnold's book on this period, > >I have the book but I don't remember many construction pictures in it. >And I work much better from pictures than somebody's description. I will >take a look at it again now that I know more about the period. > > >also Louisbourg > > National Historic Site, published booklets on clothing from this time > > period > > a few years back, they are complete with patterns and tailoring details. > > Their website is http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/ , you may be able to contact > > them for a copy. > >Thanks, I will check it out. > >Diana Check out "The Cut of Women's Clothing". I can't lay my hands on my copy at the moment :-(, but there are many cutting diagrams in the back. 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Status: RO Yowza thats lovely! Hmmm, it seems that the measurements that they give are exactly my measurements in a corset.... Now for that winning lottery ticket. :0) Sheridan > > From: "otsisto" > Date: 2006/02/14 Tue PM 11:29:31 EST > To: "Historic Costume" > Subject: [h-cost] colonial > > Ooo...look what I found. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 13:14:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIESno015361 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:14:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIENTg031357; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:14:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FID0tB008808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FICuhH055400; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FICqfW055221 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF1D018C; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:12:45 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 15 Feb 2006 13:12:38 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c6325b$b0be1da0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245><008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net> Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re: [h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:14:37 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:14:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F36F7F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have in my collection just such a gown of the '70s that got reshaped and trotted out as QE1! It is indeed a hoot. My very favorite of these can be seen at The Museum of the City of NY: A purple velvet number of the late '70/ early '80s and worn by Mrs. Astor. She went to the party as "a Light Bulb"!! Her Diamond headdress provided the twinkling lights. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re: [h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress > At 02:48 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: > >Thats interresting. Its funny they want to keep the edwardian shape > >even for renaissance. > > > >Bjarne > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > >To: "Historical Costume" > >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:36 AM > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress > > > > > >>At 09:42 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote: > >>>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. > >>>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit. x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > >>> > >>>Bjarne > >> > >> > >>Thank you Bjarne, > >> > >>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this > >>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. > >>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 > >> > >>I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for > >>the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" > >>person, someone who likes to dress up with something that looks > >>kinda right, but isn't. > >> > >>And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. > >> > >>Kimiko > > I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress > (costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's > viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very funny. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 13:17:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIHNhd015471 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:17:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIHJl0000303; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FIGg4m009262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FIGcMX059023; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FIGYXm058952 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 13706 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 10:16:35 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13696, pid: 13697, t: 2.2991s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1289 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 10:16:33 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215101419.0238a8f0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:16:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: Pattern suggestions, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215075220.02333150@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:17:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3702F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Each pattern has all the sizes. And they come with an instruction "book" that you can put into a three-ring binder. They are well worth the cost. Joan At 08:20 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >I've seen that before and wanted it. I decided to buy the set. My >husband forgot Valentine's Day so this is my gift to myself. Paypal >is great sometimes. Paid and on it's way to my house. >I hope the package includes all the sizes. Anyone have this? Any suggestions? >----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:55 AM >Subject: Pattern suggestions, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses > > >>At 04:57 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >>>Yes. I've read just about every document on how to make these >>>period costumes. I searched online for images and dairies for >>>help. I found the diaries very helpful. I borrowed a copy of Queen >>>Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked from a library. It had lots of >>>details but not what I wanted... suggested patterns. Quite a heavy book! >>>I've seen the eyelet and ribbon attachments on several examples. I >>>saved where they were and images to a disk so I have a collection >>>of parts to use for my costume. I have patterns to use for parts >>>and I guess it'll be a pick-and-choose to get it all like I want. >> >>Have you checked out Margo Anderson's Historic Patterns? She has >>complete packages with sizes from 2 to 30. I have the original set >>of Ladies' Underpinnings, Ladies' Gown, and Accessories. Her web >>site is http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm . >> >>Joan Jurancich >>joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 13:31:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIV6oc015774 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:31:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIV1PB006961; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:31:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FIU7kH010928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FIU1Gv073152; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FITdWT072841 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42173 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 18:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.28 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 18:29:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060215182522.01dd9f80@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:27:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re: [h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <004701c6325b$b0be1da0$935083d1@rmitchellras> References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net> <004701c6325b$b0be1da0$935083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:31:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F37365.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 18:14 15/02/2006, you wrote: >I have in my collection just such a gown of the '70s that got reshaped and >trotted out as QE1! It is indeed a hoot. > My very favorite of these can be seen at The Museum of the City of NY: A >purple velvet number of the late '70/ early '80s and worn by Mrs. Astor. >She went to the party as "a Light Bulb"!! Her Diamond headdress provided >the twinkling lights. I have a recent purchase of a fashion plate from the 1890's of a "Bookworm" - it was in German, so it took me a while to fathom out! Suzi > > >>>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. > > > >>>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit. >x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > > >>> > > > >>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this > > >>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. > > >>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 > > >> > > >>I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for > > >>the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" > > >>person, someone who likes to dress up with something that looks > > >>kinda right, but isn't. > > >> > > >>And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. > > >> > > >>Kimiko > > > > I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress > > (costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's > > viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very >funny. > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 13:35:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIZ6un015883 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:35:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FIZ2Eu008752; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FIYAED011533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FIXbhQ076797; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FIXFTa076460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id C29AAD3F89; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9BFD3EF7 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:32:45 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c6325e$47b95240$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200602151738.k1FHcoEQ019073@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1FIXFTa076460 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT: work at home 'rituals' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:35:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F37456.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Katherine, This is a very familiar and old experience for me, as I've been working at home since 1980 when my children were pre-school (and are now in their mid to late 20s and forging successful careers of their own.) I've juggled a career as a writer, journalist, artist and more recently (since 2000) added to that vendor of historical sewing patterns. I learned very quickly that it is important to treat your cocooning career just as you would a commuter career, even if that commute was only 10 minutes. So, I established a work routine. I have to be dressed and ready for work by 9:00 a.m., latest 10:00 a.m. I have to work until noon. I break at noon and take a nice leisurely lunch, maybe an hour, maybe an hour and a half. I nosh, perhaps take care of some domestic items (cleaning, cooking, baking, gardening, laundry and when the children were little quality time with them, and since being here walking into the village to fetch mail.) I then work for another two hours, take a break, about half an hour, and then knock off around 4:00 or 5:00 p.m. Malleable rule is I'm not allowed to work after hours or weekends. I say the rule is malleable, because I am flexible if there's an important order, or a deadline that's getting crunchy. By keeping these rules I've managed to look at what I do as a 'job', that requires discipline, dedication and results. I do not turn on the TV except at lunch to catch the news, and I only allow about 15 to 20 minutes of that. In the good weather I take my lunches out of doors so I can recharge by watching the birds and communing with my garden. These things won't work for everyone. But they work for me. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 14:22:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJMEwq017011 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:22:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJM9Be031081; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:22:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FJLE0v019741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJL5Nj029822; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:21:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJKx77029639 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF140274; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:20:52 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 15 Feb 2006 14:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: <008d01c63265$34f38ca0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245><008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net><004701c6325b$b0be1da0$935083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.0.20060215182522.01dd9f80@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:22:43 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F37F61.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Your day sounds much like mine. The most difficult problem for me has been getting customers to keep to business hours when it comes to the telephone! "No, I am not happy to take your call between the hours of 6PM and Am!! Call me when the shop is open." ( And don't show up on a Sunday afternoon and expect that the shop is..or can be open!!) We solved that one by taking off for the day sometime after 9AM and get home maybe after dark. I will take appointments between 9Am and noon on Saturday...if I have to. Funny thing, came the day when I realized that none of the costume shops or suppliers worked aft Noon on Saturday and so I liberated myself. The other problem work related is how easy (or hard not to) let the shop inventory travel into the living quarters.. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress > At 18:14 15/02/2006, you wrote: > >I have in my collection just such a gown of the '70s that got reshaped and > >trotted out as QE1! It is indeed a hoot. > > My very favorite of these can be seen at The Museum of the City of NY: A > >purple velvet number of the late '70/ early '80s and worn by Mrs. Astor. > >She went to the party as "a Light Bulb"!! Her Diamond headdress provided > >the twinkling lights. > > > I have a recent purchase of a fashion plate from the 1890's of a > "Bookworm" - it was in German, so it took me a while to fathom out! > > Suzi > > > > > > >>>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. > > > > > >>>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit. > >x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > > > >>> > > > > > >>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this > > > >>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. > > > >>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 > > > >> > > > >>I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for > > > >>the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" > > > >>person, someone who likes to dress up with something that looks > > > >>kinda right, but isn't. > > > >> > > > >>And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. > > > >> > > > >>Kimiko > > > > > > I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress > > > (costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's > > > viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very > >funny. > > > > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > > joanmj@surewest.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 14:31:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJVgod017240 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:31:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJVZpQ003035; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FJV1fU021577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJUujQ040678; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJUo9k040414 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.188]) by mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1FJUhNv004718 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:30:43 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2006 14:30:42 -0500 Message-Id: <4pisgn$onl16q@mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,118,1139202000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="830112986:sNHT31477628" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:30:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYyZkdzhAro0aJpSnSsGR3Oo61gdw== X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] article on lace making X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:31:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F38197.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Did anyone else see yesterday's Wall Street Journal? On the front page was an article on Indian women making hand-made lace and the difficulties of keeping the art going, finding places to sell it, etc. I found it fascinating, and thought others here would as well. I don't know if you can access the article on-line without a subscription, but just about every local library I've ever had access to got the WSJ. I think it would be worth looking up. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 14:32:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJWptV017269 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:32:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJWlH9022018; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:32:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FJSIWH020888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJMQ45031256; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJMEVE030901 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF5F014C; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:22:07 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 15 Feb 2006 14:21:59 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c63265$615fecc0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245><008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net><004701c6325b$b0be1da0$935083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.0.20060215182522.01dd9f80@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:23:58 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:32:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F381DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, my intention was to tag Lorena's work rituals. Sorry... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress > At 18:14 15/02/2006, you wrote: > >I have in my collection just such a gown of the '70s that got reshaped and > >trotted out as QE1! It is indeed a hoot. > > My very favorite of these can be seen at The Museum of the City of NY: A > >purple velvet number of the late '70/ early '80s and worn by Mrs. Astor. > >She went to the party as "a Light Bulb"!! Her Diamond headdress provided > >the twinkling lights. > > > I have a recent purchase of a fashion plate from the 1890's of a > "Bookworm" - it was in German, so it took me a while to fathom out! > > Suzi > > > > > > >>>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. > > > > > >>>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit. > >x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > > > >>> > > > > > >>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this > > > >>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. > > > >>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 > > > >> > > > >>I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for > > > >>the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" > > > >>person, someone who likes to dress up with something that looks > > > >>kinda right, but isn't. > > > >> > > > >>And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. > > > >> > > > >>Kimiko > > > > > > I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress > > > (costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's > > > viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very > >funny. > > > > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > > joanmj@surewest.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 14:39:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJdgAw017459 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:39:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FJdZsP006390; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FJdEAR022783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJd4b0048708; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJciBI048366 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:38:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f552a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.42]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 67A92A50035 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:38:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c63267$73398e90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060215152105.51681.qmail@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:38:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:39:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F38377.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, No i dont think i explained very well what i ment. I believe they wore a corset, and on top of this corset they had a fitted bodice wich had either large tabs or a shaped peplum. It would be closed center front. On top of these tabs lacing holes in the sides and at the back to attach a small bumroll. It shoould hang about an inch below the high waistline. On top of this, the underskirt or petticoat. Then the dress wich is attached bodice and skirt is hanged over the shoulders, and closed center front with a stomacher. Evolution says its the bodice with the tabs wich is the actually corset, but i dont believe they wore such short stays. I think they used the evolution shapes of the old renaissance stays. We dont know this, as no stays excist from this period. Their posture kind of tells me that they did wear corsets, also the way the breasts are lifted up. The standing collar for this dress in the book, 1625 is made of a rectangle piece of linen wich is pleated into its round shape. The yoke wich is pleated also is then attached to the standing collar and pins in the center front bustline. Because it is bended (yoke) towards the bust, it rises the standing collar very beautifully behind. Cuffs are made the same way rectangle, pleated in shape. And off cause edged with a scalloped lace like the standing band. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" > Hmm.... so you think they had a corset with tabs to which the bumroll was > attached and over it the dress? So the dress itself should be of two > parts - the skirt and the bodice. One thing that remains a mystery to me > is this perfect fit of the bodices - I'd say they were at least stiffened > with something. AlbertCat@aol.com says they were boned. > This thing with attaching the bumroll to the tabs of the corset is quite > interesting - I've never heard about it before. You know it from the > Evolution of Fashion? It's a real pity I haven't got that book. But it's a > good tip for buying, thanks:-)) Just one thing - how far on the tabs would > the bumroll be, I mean, just at the waist or an inch or two lower? Just to > know how to make the waistline of that bumroll. > > Zuzana > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I think they wore a bodice under the dress wich had a peplum or large > tabs. > And i would guess there was lacing holes on top of the tabs, to hold up a > small bumroll. > Corsets must have ben worn to give this push up breasts, and smooth > bodice. > How they looked like, i really would have loved to see. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:08:12 -0800 From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215100632.0239be70@surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:04 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >[anip] > > If you are interested in more information about dresses from this time > > period, check out Janet Arnold's book on this period, > >I have the book but I don't remember many construction pictures in it. >And I work much better from pictures than somebody's description. I will >take a look at it again now that I know more about the period. > > >also Louisbourg > > National Historic Site, published booklets on clothing from this time > > period > > a few years back, they are complete with patterns and tailoring details. > > Their website is http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/ , you may be able to contact > > them for a copy. > >Thanks, I will check it out. > >Diana Check out "The Cut of Women's Clothing". I can't lay my hands on my copy at the moment :-(, but there are many cutting diagrams in the back. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net Also check out Fitting and Proper, this has two types of 18c gowns and diagrams for each. (a sack back-in silk and a round gown in a block printed cotton, but I may be dis--remembering the correct terms and types), These are taken from a PA area hsitorical society Chester County I believe. Correct me ladies who know. It seems to me that the basic shapes are the same for the different types, so the diagrams in Fitting and Proper pretty much equal Costume closeup = Cut of Womens clothing = Janet Arnold. I know this is over simplifing. I've gone/am going through this process to try to put together some garments. Williamsburg's Costume close up was my first source with additions from the other books...each has its strength and weaknesses... 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC, where i saw a daffodil today!! --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 15:06:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FK6lZT018204 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:06:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FK6hYR017848; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FK601o026639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:06:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FK5wNH076268; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FK5rIl076156 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f552a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.42]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 70BF9A50039 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:05:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003c01c6326b$41e1bbc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:06:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:06:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F389D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, This has ben my dream to make for many many years, it is so lovely. By the way, this portrait is one of the reasons that i keep on saying that cartridge pleating was used in 18th century, even though the 18th century womens list has disagreed. They claim it never was used, but how would you pleat this skirt otherwise? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial > >> Oooo wedding dress!!!!!:) What color? >> De > > Well, that has been the hardest part. I want to do a white-ish color > white, cream, chanpagne, etc.) but my accent color is a deep purple-blue. > I originally intended to make it white with the blue accents but the > contrast is so big! I am still trying to figure out how to do it. > > I am very inspired by this painting: > > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 > > But I also like the split-skirt style like the garment just posted. > Sigh....so many ideas and I only get to choose one! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 15:28:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKSMrc018748 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:28:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKSEEu027170; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:28:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FKRgHL029718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKRepA098392; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKPo6R096836 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C084F34C67 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:25:49 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:25:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060215104045.g6kkyuqiii0w4wc0@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:28:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F38EDE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is the week for not finding things. I know I have seen a 1500s blackwork pattern of columbines. AAAHHH! Have you considered a full front view of the flower connected by lattice vines? De -----Original Message----- Cool. The genus name is Aquilegia. It's in the buttercup family. I've toyed with trying to transform one of the english columbines Elizabethan patterns into the American columbine. Ours is not as "fat" and the spurs are *much* longer. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Wildflower/Images/columbine.jpg Susan, the (spring) wildflower junkie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 15:37:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKbRIR018889 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:37:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKbM6t031036; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:37:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FKSH8n029875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:30:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKQRuu097389; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKPPU3096491 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 261FC34BE1 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:25:21 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:25:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c63239$cab9d9a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:37:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F39102.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Your welcome. And thank you for the Danish name. :) De small note: "De" is for D'Lisa. -----Original Message----- Thanks Deredere, Now i know, we call it Akkeleje in danish. Thanks Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 15:46:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKkTxq019070 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:46:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKkPb2002345; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:46:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FKk2xR032213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKjiMc014868; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKjXsj014671 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:45:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DD1834BFD for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:45:28 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:45:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003c01c6326b$41e1bbc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:46:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F39321.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was looking up the artist and found this lovely picture. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_019.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_018.jpg If I was interested in the period and had the figure I would love a dress like this. Madame Pompadour has some nice dresses http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_017.jpg De -----Original Message----- > I am very inspired by this painting: > > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 > > But I also like the split-skirt style like the garment just posted. > Sigh....so many ideas and I only get to choose one! > > Diana > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 15:57:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKv75I019275 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:57:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FKv3mQ007016; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:57:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FKtkBB033430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:55:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKtdJf024953; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKtYmH024843 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6735634BFD for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:55:30 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:55:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003c01c6326b$41e1bbc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:57:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3959F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This shows some other portraits of similar fullness of skirt. Click on the picture for bigger picture and info in Spanish. Then click on that picture with enlargement features (note: 200% is fuzzy) http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11680&Empnum=0&Inicio=46 I'm not sure, cartridge pleating looks possible. Some techniques usually don't disappear so easily. De -----Original Message----- Hi, This has ben my dream to make for many many years, it is so lovely. By the way, this portrait is one of the reasons that i keep on saying that cartridge pleating was used in 18th century, even though the 18th century womens list has disagreed. They claim it never was used, but how would you pleat this skirt otherwise? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 16:14:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLE7ao019673 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:14:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLE3Ik014277; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FLDe2x035696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLDalF040969; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLDRYl040798 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f552a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.42]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4559647FEC6 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:13:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c63274$b55fafe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 3 musketeers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:14:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3999B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I think some of you might have misunderstanded my explanations to this. I was not reffering to the movie picture costumes, but the cavallier style fashion for women. With the high waists. The reason why i want the bumroll to be laced to a bodice is that the dress waistline is so high over the natural waistline, that it simply couldnt be tied arround so high, without slipping down emediately. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 16:15:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLFEok019703 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:15:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLF9ox019289; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FLEsNO035831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:14:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLErra042235; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLEnJ2042079 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCB3A296B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:14:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43F399CA.9020507@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:14:50 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:15:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F399DD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: >> > http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 > > I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for the > well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" person, > someone who likes to dress up with something that looks kinda right, but > isn't. > There was a resurgence of interest in the renaissance period around then (1877) and quite a bit of clothing and household goods got made in imitation of it. Some of it is quite nice. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 16:17:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLH5ft019749 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:17:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLH1sU015451; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FLBJK9035333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLBFTa038466; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLAuHN038244 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f552a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.42]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 77AEEA50071 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:10:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c63274$57b606a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:11:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:17:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F39A4D.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial > This shows some other portraits of similar fullness of skirt. Click on the > picture for bigger picture and info in Spanish. Then click on that picture > with enlargement features (note: 200% is fuzzy) > http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11680&Empnum=0&Inicio=46 > I'm not sure, cartridge pleating looks possible. Some techniques usually > don't disappear so easily. You also clearly sees her wooden busk trough the bodice, this i never noticed before. This must be a heavy duchesse satin, and imagine to pleat so much width into such a small waist, you really must use cartridge pleats :-) sorry i keep on Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 16:23:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLNxw3019950 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:23:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLNtcu018197; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:23:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FLNTlB036891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:23:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLNL5g050166; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLNC3n049901 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:23:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.25a.6ead82a (4552) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <25a.6ead82a.3124f5b8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:23:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:23:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F39BEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/15/2006 3:57:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_019.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_018.jpg The color seems off in these pics. Anyway, Glen Close wears a replica of this gown [in a dark teal with pink roses and bows] in "Dangerous Liaisons".... in the only scene where all the main characters are together, at the Salon, listening to the castrate singing Handel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 16:37:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLb1Ah020325 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:37:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FLauLW023280; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:37:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FLaMMO039017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLZxlQ062428; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLZm2C062176 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8F5B34BFB for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:35:41 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses(sleeves) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:35:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001401c63245$690f9940$79bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:37:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F39EF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I hadn't thought of the partlet and I think the weight might effect the lay of the partlet. Connecting to the corset strap is more possibility then proof. As I can see a person putting on the sleeves before the gown. The corset is where I would think it could connect and it would be easier to put the sleeves on that way then to push the sleeve cap up and attach. There is also a possibility that the sleeve could be attached with hook and eye just on the inside near the edge of the sleeve cap. Sorry for not being specific on docs. vs. conjecture. De -----Original Message----- Yes. Thanks for the clarification. I think that if the sleeves aren't part of a shirt, they'd either tie onto the armscye of the partlet, or *perhaps* the gown. Corset hadn't occured to me though...what led you to think of that? --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 17:23:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FMNEA1021381 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:23:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FMNAgY008665; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FMMRnh046751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FMMGF0005349; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FMLkO7004926 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 14049 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 14:21:44 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14028, pid: 14032, t: 3.8222s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1289 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 14:21:40 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215141742.02375088@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:21:35 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial In-Reply-To: <001801c63274$57b606a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c63274$57b606a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:23:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3A9CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:11 PM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:55 PM >Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial > > >>This shows some other portraits of similar fullness of skirt. Click on the >>picture for bigger picture and info in Spanish. Then click on that picture >>with enlargement features (note: 200% is fuzzy) >>http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11680&Empnum=0&Inicio=46 >>I'm not sure, cartridge pleating looks possible. Some techniques usually >>don't disappear so easily. > > >You also clearly sees her wooden busk trough the bodice, this i >never noticed before. >This must be a heavy duchesse satin, and imagine to pleat so much >width into such a small waist, you really must use cartridge pleats >:-) sorry i keep on > >Bjarne Actually, there is another technique, rolled pleats. And they are easy to sew into a waistband. My tailor, Stephen Bergdahl, used them for my latest Elizabethan gown (I still have not learned how to do them since I have not needed a new gown, yet). He said it was very easy. And it does give the look of the full skirts in many of the portraits. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 17:59:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FMxVHg022145 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:59:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FMxRbF022090; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:59:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FMwZIc052120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FMwQMH040451; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FMwI5c040302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:58:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k1FMw9na022164 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:58:17 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.58 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:58:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <58447.64.156.242.58.1140044297.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215141742.02375088@surewest.net> References: <001801c63274$57b606a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060215141742.02375088@surewest.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:58:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:59:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3B24F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Actually, there is another technique, rolled pleats. And they are > easy to sew into a waistband. My tailor, Stephen Bergdahl, used them > for my latest Elizabethan gown (I still have not learned how to do > them since I have not needed a new gown, yet). He said it was very > easy. And it does give the look of the full skirts in many of the > portraits. Interesting - tell me more! Can Stephen describe them? Knife pleats can be made with many layering on top of each other, so they can handle the fullness. Most people who interpret 18th century are doing 1750 - 1780. The look was smoother from bodice to skirt, not the skirts coming out horizontally from the waist like you see in 17thC and mid 19thC. Somewhere along the line (17th/18thC), cartridge pleats ceased to be used. The portrait is earlier 18thC, and perhaps represents an opulent fantasy style. If anyone can get a look at extant upper class wear of the time, we would know if there were cartridge pleats or knife pleats. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 18:23:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FNNPhW022659 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:23:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FNNL1I031283; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:23:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FNMOM4055196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FNML7Y065682; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:22:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav9.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FNMHfJ065495 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:22:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:22:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c63274$b55fafe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:22:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 23:22:11.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5BF6C30:01C63286] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:23:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3B7E9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh so true Bjarne! I picked this time period to dress myself for SCA because of my rediculously high waist! It's the only time in history that I have the body type for! I have the quintessential Rubenesque body, I can't imagine keeping the bumroll that high if I didn't. On most folks you would have to tie the roll to the stays, the skirts are heavier than they look! Kelly > The reason why i want the bumroll to be laced to a bodice is that the > dress waistline is so high over the natural waistline, that it simply > couldnt be tied arround so high, without slipping down emediately. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 18:33:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FNXHJH022872 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:33:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FNXDha002442; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:33:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FNW53W056956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FNW2Ta075640; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FNVxmP075575 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so236025wra for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KADjbij39E78leK2bCfcAMV4urtn5xFzF4PmrEwhhDRHTvY57trjtbiUuOM6T1F7JMC1YlzwDYQOKaLJCPIW8dIkChhAAomi7oR5sCU7E570xfBn46KM4J2N1t0GCKIBEg9ZQO78WXRbKWhUu4e7zDeGcfzkeiYoF3YTxI+2DL8= Received: by 10.64.96.6 with SMTP id t6mr139222qbb; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:31:58 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1FNVxmP075575 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:33:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3BA39.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > The portrait is earlier 18thC, and perhaps represents an opulent fantasy style. If anyone can get a look at extant upper class wear of the time, we would know if there were cartridge pleats or knife pleats. -Carol If pictures in books dont suit your taste, then for a good grovel, a CV, and a letter of introduction you can get into the Bath Museum of Costume and fondle the real thing. Other museums have their own rituals of supplication. I wonder if 18th will be fashionable among costume & dance historians this year. When I saw Memoirs of a Geisha this weekend, there was a preview for "Marie Antonette". --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 19:18:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G0Ibt5024566 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:18:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G0IWZw019343; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:18:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G0CwA6062108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G0CrmA015096; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1G0CmsT014917 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30161 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2006 00:12:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3v5uiWV2w8Zs/24dfMk4p2UHDLsEAeWevky1FxSLB4iar+aDDQ+L5uDKt/ERyMNySe2CgTmAVzF2qrC824jrQ8xuGgHWx/4vudD3GbS5/OjnMk5TlepzuYPLE7AGtc/1Q5tP9wtFSQZTh6Mv/6rPEB2P2+UoSqqmwmnD7ZH9k78= ; Message-ID: <20060216001243.30159.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.31.85] by web51310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:12:43 PST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:12:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060215152105.51681.qmail@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:18:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3C4D8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hmm.... so you think they had a corset with tabs to > which the bumroll was attached and over it the > dress? So the dress itself should be of two parts - > the skirt and the bodice. > > Zuzana The bodice and skirts were Cut separately, and then sewn together. Which separately cut pieces for torso & skirting starts showing up, maybe, 1570-ish & continues on with varying popularity up to the current day. The gowns were worn over chemise, corsets, and bumroll. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:10:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4A2kc029370 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:10:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G49u7E006657; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:10:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G48h32090089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:08:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G48bhW027065; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G48Yjx026990 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m210.in-tch.com [216.166.191.210]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1G402A09287 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:00:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005501c632af$a5c8be60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:15:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:10:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3FB14.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, speaking as Sue the flower junkie, and not Susan the flower junkie , no, not really. I've done collar and cuffs in an interlacing linear pattern of columbines (from a mid-16th century boy's shirt in the V&A), and will some day do columbine slips for a Helena Snackenburg (sp???) inspired outfit, but hadn't considered the style you mentioned below. If only because, in part, I find the flowers so interesting in profile....;o) The pattern from the boy's shirt is actually done in very tiny cross stitch. I believe mine worked out to about 30 stitches/inch, done using a single strand of royal blue Soie Cristale silk. I charted the design out for myself, using a delightful closeup of the collar that I just happened to find in a generalized overview-of-embroidery book from our local library. I have my theories about that design, which I hope to make into an article for competition at some point....(ah, the bliss of research ;o) --Sue in Montana, where columbines are more of an early-mid Summer flower ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > This is the week for not finding things. I know I have seen a 1500s > blackwork pattern of columbines. AAAHHH! > Have you considered a full front view of the flower connected by lattice > vines? > De > > -----Original Message----- > Cool. The genus name is Aquilegia. It's in the buttercup family. > I've toyed with trying to transform one of the english columbines > Elizabethan patterns into the American columbine. Ours is not as "fat" > and the spurs are *much* longer. > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Wildflower/Images/columbine.jpg > > Susan, the (spring) wildflower junkie > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:30:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4UWpk029794 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:30:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4UMj7012473; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:30:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4ThL2092241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4TeTA042610; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4TanA042488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:29:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9alt-0000pa-I1; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:29:37 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:29:37 -0600 Message-ID: <20060215222937.6a6fqvx4chwkk0ok@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:29:37 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses References: <005501c632af$a5c8be60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <005501c632af$a5c8be60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:30:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F3FFDF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sue Clemenger : > Well, speaking as Sue the flower junkie, and not Susan the flower junkie > , no, not really. I've done collar and cuffs in an interlacing linear > pattern of columbines (from a mid-16th century boy's shirt in the V&A), and > will some day do columbine slips for a Helena Snackenburg (sp???) inspired > outfit, but hadn't considered the style you mentioned below. If only > because, in part, I find the flowers so interesting in profile....;o) > The pattern from the boy's shirt is actually done in very tiny cross stitch. > I believe mine worked out to about 30 stitches/inch, done using a single > strand of royal blue Soie Cristale silk. I charted the design out for > myself, using a delightful closeup of the collar that I just happened to > find in a generalized overview-of-embroidery book from our local library. I > have my theories about that design, which I hope to make into an article for > competition at some point....(ah, the bliss of research ;o) Cool! (we Sue/Susan/Suzi have to stick together!) Do you by any chance have an accession number for the V&A shirt -- or a reference for the Overview-Of-Embroidery book? I'd like to see that! Thanks, Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:34:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4YQl9029881 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:34:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4YMmu013896; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:34:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4XpKq092798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4XpqF046032; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FFxCwv008838 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:59:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 7699 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 15:57:28 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:57:28 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1167.67.188.164.116.1140019253.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:34:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F400CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Holy Crapola, that dress is beautiful, but really badly mounted. So I > wouldn't trust all of their information, especially about the gown meeting > edge to edge at the centrefront. I wish they had taken the time to mount > the dress proprely, then you would be able to see all it's glory in the > photos...they are great photos, I'm bummed ;-( Sorry about the other post, I hit send accidently :~< If you think the mounting was bad for that one, check this one out: http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_431.htm I LOVE this jacket, but it looks so awful there! > If you are interested in more information about dresses from this time > period, check out Janet Arnold's book on this period, I have it but I don't remember too many pictures with construction details. Maybe I will have to look at it again. >also Louisbourg > National Historic Site, published booklets on clothing from this time > period > a few years back, they are complete with patterns and tailoring details. > Their website is http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/ , you may be able to contact > them for a copy. Thanks! I will look into that. Costume Close-Up has been helpful for construction information but they only have limited close-ups and usually only one per garment. But every little bit helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:34:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4Yh9q029885 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:34:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4Yd0R022118; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:34:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4YO6Z092913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4YO6G046599; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGVkCT046690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1FGQ1Wl003903 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:26:01 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:26:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43F3576F.4070105@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:31:43 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060215155959.01d6be18@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060215155959.01d6be18@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:34:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F400E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For a fun time, those interested in Victorian historical "fancy dress" will enjoy: http://lafayette.150m.com/dhblist.html Photos of the Devonshire House ball of 1897. The site often exceeds its bandwidth, but it is worth it to bookmark and come back later. The thumbnails start a couple of "page downs" down the page, and there are enlarged versions available. I found out it via this list a couple years ago. I haven't been able to read much of this list in a week or two (lots of "life"), so please forgive me if someone has mentioned it already! And if any of you are Lois McMaster-Bujold fans, I sent her the URL back-when and said looking at this sort of grand house helped me envision Vorkosigan House. She said it was just this sort of house she had in mind for it, and she enjoyed looking at the costumes, too. (Fangirl delight!) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent US postage with medieval images on it: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/1160846 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:35:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4ZDUI029910 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:35:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4Z6Sf027597; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:35:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4YkoR093010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4YiJO046906; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav16.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGVpNP046702 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:31:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:31:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 16:31:45.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F6B71F0:01C6324D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:35:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F400FA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd try small delicate flowers spread around the lower part of the skirt and in the bouquet. Ribbons should be delicat and not so bold since the color is so contrasted. I've made lots of wedding dresses and this is what I'd suggest. My wedding colors were ecru/cream with wine accents. I mixed pale baby blue in there every so often for contrast. Gold accents in the table fabrics and a gold ribbon in my bouquet of wine and cream colored silk flowers. I used silk lilacs in the chapel. Looked great to me. And in only 2 weeks to plan it all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial > >> Oooo wedding dress!!!!!:) What color? >> De > > Well, that has been the hardest part. I want to do a white-ish color > white, cream, chanpagne, etc.) but my accent color is a deep purple-blue. > I originally intended to make it white with the blue accents but the > contrast is so big! I am still trying to figure out how to do it. > > I am very inspired by this painting: > > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 > > But I also like the split-skirt style like the garment just posted. > Sigh....so many ideas and I only get to choose one! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:35:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4Zd5L029923 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4ZYUq010107; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:35:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4Z6Eg093067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4Z6YV047225; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FGX83S048182 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:33:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:33:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:33:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <1161.67.188.164.116.1140019006.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 16:33:07.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[807E76C0:01C6324D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:35:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40117.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have both Arnold books and don't need them. If anyone is interested in buying them, let me know. They are beautiful but not what I needed. I accidently ordered the wrong time period first then had to get the earlier period one. SO I have them both now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial > >> Holy Crapola, that dress is beautiful, but really badly mounted. So I >> wouldn't trust all of their information, especially about the gown >> meeting >> edge to edge at the centrefront. I wish they had taken the time to mount >> the dress proprely, then you would be able to see all it's glory in the >> photos...they are great photos, I'm bummed ;-( >> >> If you are interested in more information about dresses from this time >> period, check out Janet Arnold's book on this period, also Louisbourg >> National Historic Site, published booklets on clothing from this time >> period >> a few years back, they are complete with patterns and tailoring details. >> Their website is http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/ , you may be able to contact >> them for a copy. >> >> For those who are interested in this era, come join me and a few hundred >> others at Louisbourg's Grande Encampment this year! >> >> Kelly/estela >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diana Habra" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial >> >> >>> >>>> Ooo...look what I found. >>>> http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm >>>> De >>> >>> I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the >>> clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever >>> get to study garments like these in person. >>> >>> Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which >>> will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can >>> about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big >>> help. >>> >>> Diana >>> >>> www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >>> "Everything for the Costumer" >>> >>> "Become the change you want to see in the world." >>> --Ghandi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:36:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4a6VR029935 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:36:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4a3qx029536; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4ZWKA093155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:35:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4ZVLV047623; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:35:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1FHEWHo093464 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67871 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2006 17:14:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nrl3w4UJXU0VZXAniis+alw2CtBmlJBnFcAzQr8c3tSjfAaZFTGQngzSRAbc7J3RMEkg/0p1HxHpcGDml3p1ErPKWWKr7l5g2kB6C9AhxbN0CDqshxOmqaSzDN+ATngoO9Vxtv+nZDBT0xGOAMmilnufXFajr8o4FZ7j3hufWAE= ; Message-ID: <20060215171428.67869.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:14:28 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:14:28 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] OT: work at home 'rituals' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:36:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40133.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello all as a fairly new costumer (for money) I am trying to establish a work-from-home pattern that doesn't involve quite so much tv - I know, I know... my brain is rotting as I type. I'm going to try having a special 'sewing uniform' - a work pinafore to cover my clothes - as a signal to my brain that now is work time. I got to wondering if other people have special rituals or procedures they do to separate their time, particularly those who work at home. You never know what useful info could come up, so I hope you forgive this meander slightly OT. Thanks, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:36:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4aoOV029948 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:36:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4akig014713; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4aGtF093268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4aGWm048293; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FI35VU044418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:03:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:10731 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F9Qzc-0000Uq-5L for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:03:10 -0600 Message-ID: <0ac601c6325a$116e6210$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:03:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lightbown's European Medieval Jewellery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:36:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4015E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1G4aoOV029948 Status: RO I hate to forward stuff, but if I had a few hundred lying around fallow I'd want this book: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Originally posted to EK_AnS "I have contacted the V&A about a reprint of this book ['European Medieval Jewellery' by Ronald W. Lightbown]. It's been out of print for decades and it's almost the "bible" for medieval jewellery enthusiasts around the world. So many people are after a copy, that I thought it might be worthwhile finding out what the publisher thinks about a reprint. Now, generally they are not against the idea, but there are a few things they said: The book was and will be expensive. But seeing that the last available copy that I know of went for something ridiculous like $800 US, I would happily pay the £120 or £150 it cost originally - it's a great book and worth every penny (or cent or whathaveyou....) They need to have a ballpark figure of how many people would be interested to buy it. If it is a close cut, those people might have to pledge themselves to buy it for it to be reprinted, if the number is overwhelming, they will probably not need to confirm every single buyer. Even though I know that there are several people who would love to have it, I also know that it's a different matter to actually "have" to buy it, once it's available. I have wanted it for ages, that's why I am doing this. In any case, before anything happens, they need a number. I am asking for your help now, in finding out how many people there would possibly be, who would be interested in buying a copy, if it is reprinted. All you medieval jewellery people, if you want it, please let me know or if you know someone who wants it, could you let them all know about it and tell them to let me know, too? If you could pass this on to as many people you know who might be interested or any groups you think might be interested as well, it would help a lot and I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks everyone, Caithlinn" You can contact her at caithlinn@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:37:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4bDMu029954 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:37:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4bAr7023289; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:37:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4afZG093343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4ae6a048683; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJHIpu025368 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB830348; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:05:39 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 15 Feb 2006 14:05:31 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c63263$14598500$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245><008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net><004701c6325b$b0be1da0$935083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.0.20060215182522.01dd9f80@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:07:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:37:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40176.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd like to see That one...(And who said that Victorians were lacking in a sense of humor... when it came to "Dress"? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress > At 18:14 15/02/2006, you wrote: > >I have in my collection just such a gown of the '70s that got reshaped and > >trotted out as QE1! It is indeed a hoot. > > My very favorite of these can be seen at The Museum of the City of NY: A > >purple velvet number of the late '70/ early '80s and worn by Mrs. Astor. > >She went to the party as "a Light Bulb"!! Her Diamond headdress provided > >the twinkling lights. > > > I have a recent purchase of a fashion plate from the 1890's of a > "Bookworm" - it was in German, so it took me a while to fathom out! > > Suzi > > > > > > >>>Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. > > > > > >>>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit. > >x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 > > > >>> > > > > > >>I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this > > > >>interesting gown, from the House of Worth. > > > >>http://tinyurl.com/92mz4 > > > >> > > > >>I found it amusing that they would do a renaissance style gown for > > > >>the well to do. I could almost see this gown on a "friend of faire" > > > >>person, someone who likes to dress up with something that looks > > > >>kinda right, but isn't. > > > >> > > > >>And in purple velvet, it's rather fetching. > > > >> > > > >>Kimiko > > > > > > I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress > > > (costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's > > > viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very > >funny. > > > > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > > joanmj@surewest.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:37:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4bkTQ029963 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:37:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4bgtB027943; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:37:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4ZpsZ093207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4Zpap047956; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FHGOvh095483 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278B63CED1 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:16:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43F361E7.2030509@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:16:23 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] colors (was colonial) References: <1252.67.188.164.116.1139983878.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:37:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40196.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: >>Oooo wedding dress!!!!!:) What color? >>De > > > Well, that has been the hardest part. I want to do a white-ish color > white, cream, chanpagne, etc.) but my accent color is a deep purple-blue. > I originally intended to make it white with the blue accents but the > contrast is so big! I am still trying to figure out how to do it. > Yellow? Maybe a paler yellow, but not too light. Get some shades of blue that graduate up to your darkest color, to soften the contrast. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:38:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4ctjf030000 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:38:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4cpKl010475; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4bCR2093419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4bCGt049204; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FJjB8m054984 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B14F34D1B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:44:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:44:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:38:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F401DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Perhaps a very faint hint of color of purple/ blue (periwinkle?) for the dress material with eggshell white bows and underskirt. If you have the split, were you thinking of a quilted underskirt or leaving it plan? De -----Original Message----- Well, that has been the hardest part. I want to do a white-ish color white, cream, chanpagne, etc.) but my accent color is a deep purple-blue. I originally intended to make it white with the blue accents but the contrast is so big! I am still trying to figure out how to do it. I am very inspired by this painting: http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 But I also like the split-skirt style like the garment just posted. Sigh....so many ideas and I only get to choose one! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:39:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4d2RW030007 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:39:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4cwNq029875; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:39:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4ccPD093599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:38:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4cb6G050248; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:38:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FKFJBv086008 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:15:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C494434BEE for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:15:18 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:15:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <8C8006DC31FBB4D-788-1C270@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:39:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F401E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=pp.html&ca rt_id=71329_959 Patterns 51 and 52 (need to scroll down) Sorry, for adults but can give an idea of what to look for in making you daughters outfit. I had thought that Margo Anderson was working on some Elizabethan children's patterns for her next major patterns but I guess I was thinking of another history pattern company. Once upon a time I could have sworn that there was a Tudor pattern for girls that with a bit o' tweaking could be very close to period in construction but I can't seem to find it. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:39:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4dWk2030013 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:39:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4dLd4015550; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:39:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4d8J8093673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4d7jb050709; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLBQmO038578 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.23c.6fad522 (4552) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <23c.6fad522.3124f1c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:06:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:39:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F401F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/15/2006 2:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Evolution says its the bodice with the tabs which is the actually corset, but i dont believe they wore such short stays. I think they used the evolution shapes of the old renaissance stays. We dont know this, as no stays excist from this period. Their posture kind of tells me that they did wear corsets, also the way the breasts are lifted up. *************** But when you get to the 1660s you have bodices mounted onto a boned lining [something that really helps with the horizontal neckline]. This suggests to me that there is some kind of transitional thing probably going on in the 1630s, It's like they start out with the corset with bodice over it but perhaps as the waistline rises, the bodices start getting tacked to the corset and then eventually, because of the high waist perhaps, the corset becomes the lining of the bodice. They are made up separately. Tabs and tassets seem to be present when some kind of lacing or tying up is necessary.....like in a man's doublet where the hosen are laced to the doublet. With this logic, and also the attaching of rolls and pads and even farthingals to the corset under its tassets being common, I can see how this was transferred to the actual bodice, especially if it keeps a separate skirt up at the high waistline...either under or over the tassets. Also, sometimes you see an unstructured open gown over the quite complete in its own right rigid gown...that undergown acting like underpinnings of sorts. I could find pics in books pretty easily, but I don't know where to go on the web. If someone thinks they know what I'm talking about [hahahahahaha! Gotcha!] they might be so kind as to point me to some picture sources. This is not a period I have ever even made a gown for....or studied too closely. But I like it, and always scrutinize images from it. I love Van Dyke! Maybe I'm thinking of some of his portraits. Y'know, we mostly think of underwear as underwear....you don't show it off and it's not outerwear to be seen. But in many periods, that distinction is definitely a blurry one...at least in informal affairs. The fashion designer, Versace, who loved to comb the Met Museum in NYC, and others, understood this and used these notions for effect; designing couture evening gowns that, from afar, look like bras and slips. You can see the residue of this too even in guys clothes when they show the top of their boxers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:40:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4eQ7E030043 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:40:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4eMTZ024725; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:40:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4dR4e093735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:39:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4dRYa050989; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:39:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FLHrwl044908 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:17:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.255.67441a6 (4552) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <255.67441a6.3124f475@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:17:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:40:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40237.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/15/2006 3:56:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: By the way, this portrait is one of the reasons that i keep on saying that cartridge pleating was used in 18th century, even though the 18th century womens list has disagreed. I think you're right. The big difference in this gown and is say one of Madam de Pompadour's is this is not an open robe. It is a bodice with skirt attached. The crisp silk looks cartridge pleated to me....it doesn't even look like those little 1/2 inch pleats you get in the 1770s and 80s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:41:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4fJTi030071 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:41:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4fFx3028511; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:41:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4eGRf093854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4eFa9051641; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FM537q088935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9Ule-0007Mz-0h; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:04:57 -0600 Message-ID: <20060215160457.0tg9r1h9lcgc0ksw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:04:57 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > This is the week for not finding things. I know I have seen a 1500s > blackwork pattern of columbines. AAAHHH! I'm pretty sure that there's one on the dragonbear site, if not the Elizabethan Blackwork Archives (or both .....) AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH I *know* that I've seen one. I"ll have to look at my stuff when I get home tonight. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1G4fUE7030075 Status: RO What a subject! Modern Knitting: http://www.newhouse.com/archive/sefton021406.html Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 15, 2006, at 1:30 AM, Carol Kocian wrote: > Hi Rosecelin, > > A good source of knit historians is the Historic Kint list. It's > a Yahoogroup, > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/historicknit/ > > You didn't say what era you friend prefers - different people > concentrate on different time periods, cultures, etc. There are a lot > of great discussions. > > And we have talked about crochet, too, and it's beginnings. I do > 18th century and crochet is not around for that era, either. > > -Carol > > >>>> Recently there was a discussion about the history of knitting. I >>>> didn't really pay to much attention to it since I do not knit. But >>>> a friend of mine is a knitter and wants to talk to anyone who does >>>> know the history of knitting. >>>> If you can help, would you please contact me privately so I can >>>> get my friend in contact with you. >>>> >>>> Roscelin >>>> >>>> By the way, please excuse this question if it has been discussed. >>>> When did crocheting come along? I was told long ago that it >>>> started after 1650 - Is this true? I've been trying to convince a >>>> few of my needlework students that it is out of period for our >>>> group. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:43:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4hFps030121 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4h8Rx016794; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4gog3094670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4gnU7053567; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FMk9gu028155 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F09E34CDE for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:46:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:46:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <25a.6ead82a.3124f5b8@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F402DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On some other sites the colors were dark green, teal, blue, blue green, and blue grey. :) annoying isn't it?:P The two paintings are different paintings. The close up is probably copied from the other. De -----Original Message----- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_019.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_018.jpg The color seems off in these pics. Anyway, Glen Close wears a replica of this gown [in a dark teal with pink roses and bows] in "Dangerous Liaisons".... in the only scene where all the main characters are together, at the Salon, listening to the castrate singing Handel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:43:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4hZhx030127 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4hVwV026031; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4h997094721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4h95u053816; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FMsd9x036391 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2a0.5970140 (39952) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:54:20 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2a0.5970140.31250b1c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:54:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: work at home 'rituals' To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F402F3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't have a set routine of hours that I work - it tends to depend on what I'm making, and how interested in it I am, though I try to avoid too many evenings and weekends unless at the silly time of year (just before the new re-enactment season, and the time that the museums get their new annual budgets - i.e. about now-ish). But I prefer a more fluid day - I tend to work better knowing I have to get x, y, and z done today, than when working to strict times. I seem to get more done that way. I also tend to have more than one thing on the go at any given time (be it sewing or websites, or brochures, or whatever), so that when I start to tear out my hair over one thing, I can move onto something different for a bit. Or occasionally I'll go for a walk if I just want to rip everyhting to shreds. My start time can be anything from about 7am to about 11am, depending on how I feel, and whether or not I've done any work the night before (sometimes I do a bit after Nige goes to bed). My workroom is on the top floor of the house, so my journey to work involves climbing a flight of stairs. My 'at work' signal (clothes don't work - I've been known to wear pj's all day!!) is that I open the door of the room, switch on the light, and turn on the mains power to the machines and the radio (I listen to Radio 4 mostly, or books on tape when they're broadcasting repeats, or I'm bored with the news!). As soon as that's done I'm 'at work'. At some point during the day (time varies), I go and get lunch, and check e-mail and things while I'm eating. Then I go back to work. My finish time is between 6 and 6.30 pm, or when Nigel gets home (6.30 - 7.30), depending on how involved I am in what I'm doing. Of course, there are times when I literally work a 24 hour day, mainlining red bull, if there's a tight deadline - and there were a couple of times that I worked 130 or 140 hour weeks when I first started, but I ****really**** wouldn't recommend that to anyone!! :-) Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:43:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4hvPI030142 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4hr9f028799; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4hUdY094801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4hTqa054069; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FNAm0r053416 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:10:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:10:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060213182007.033e16c0@64.87.54.245> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214233258.03446660@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:10:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 23:10:44.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C553DF0:01C63285] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:43:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40309.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That is quite a bit longer than I had imagined when I first read your email. Hope you weren't offended by my first response. I'm thinking that a gown that long would have to be held up when walking...perhaps the fashion that's depicted in Jan van Eyck's 'Marriage of Giovanni Arnolfini', in that painting, the dress is held up in front by her hand. I know that it's earlier than Tudor, but I've heard that the style held on for a good amount. You've got me thinking now! Kelly > > This image is direct, and shows what I mean. > http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/assets/main/95_137_main.jpg > > I had always presumed that the outer gown was longer or the same length > than the kirtle worn underneath, yet that seems to not be the case in this > effigy, and apparently, in English gowns of the time. The kirtles shown in > the effigy are very long, over the feet long, as in they would be a few > inches lower than the ground long when you are standing. I don't follow > how the skirts would be constantly pooling around your feet when you are > standing and walking, and not trip a lot. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:44:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4i9kX030148 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:44:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4i5EA011103; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:44:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4hnxE094867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4hncN054300; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1FNMhI6065959 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1fa.1a2464aa (16111) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M36 (mblk-m36.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.80]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef43f3b7b6165; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:22:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:22:30 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8009DD3B2C27B-17F0-BCF4@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602152056.k1FKtfYf024991@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:22:28 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602152056.k1FKtfYf024991@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.80 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: colonial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:44:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40315.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just out of curiosity -- are the flowers in this lady's hair and corsage supposed to be real, and if not, how would they be made? http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:45:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4jI0I030180 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:45:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4j9AS030649; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:45:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4iaqa095090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4iZBg055130; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4GZuQ032982 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m210.in-tch.com [216.166.191.210]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1G484A10869 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:08:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006801c632b0$c538ba60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses(sleeves) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:23:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:45:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40355.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No worries! I think discussing theories like this is at least half the fun of any hobby. ;o) I would not have thought of attaching bits to the corset strap, but I know that could at least, in part, be attributed to me just not running into examples of it. When I was still wearing 16th century stuff for SCA garb, I always wore a strapless corset, so I tend not to think in strap terms ;o). It would definitely be easier to have those sleeves on (one way or t'other) before the gown-and-epaulets went one, I agree! It would be interesting to do a study or project on something like this, wouldn't it? and compare different methods and results? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses(sleeves) > I hadn't thought of the partlet and I think the weight might effect the lay > of the partlet. > Connecting to the corset strap is more possibility then proof. As I can see > a person putting on the sleeves before the gown. > The corset is where I would think it could connect and it would be easier to > put the sleeves on that way then to push the sleeve cap up and attach. > There is also a possibility that the sleeve could be attached with hook and > eye just on the inside near the edge of the sleeve cap. > Sorry for not being specific on docs. vs. conjecture. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Yes. Thanks for the clarification. > I think that if the sleeves aren't part of a shirt, they'd either tie onto > the armscye of the partlet, or *perhaps* the gown. Corset hadn't occured to > me though...what led you to think of that? > --Sue > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:57:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4vNYe030426 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:57:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4vJRI021853; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4s4vZ096180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4s1Rw062520; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4rwVf062484 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m210.in-tch.com [216.166.191.210]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1G4jQA18444 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:45:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <008901c632b5$fd659480$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005501c632af$a5c8be60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> <20060215222937.6a6fqvx4chwkk0ok@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:01:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:57:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4062F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't have the accession number for the shirt, sorry, but you might be able to find pictures of it online (people's websites and blogs, if nothing else). Or maybe the V&A website? I'll try to remember to dig around in my old bookmarks file this weekend, if someone else on the list doesn't beat me to it. ;o) I was quite singularly bummed out about not getting to see that darned shirt on my one-and-only visit to the V&A, but they'd taken that exhibit down, and put in some stupid 20th century ballgown thing. (my apologies to those of you fond of such things, but they're not my cup of tea as clothing or as historical pieces) I'll have to root through my blackwork files to get the cite for the book, but that, I know I have. Give me a few days? --Sue (from Montana ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > Cool! (we Sue/Susan/Suzi have to stick together!) > Do you by any chance have an accession number for the V&A shirt -- or a > reference for the Overview-Of-Embroidery book? I'd like to see that! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 15 23:59:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4xCHK030461 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:59:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4x8lm001264; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:59:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4wfOD096963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4wfWf066858; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from baracus.dreamhost.com (postfix@baracus.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4wcpf066799 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from guenievre@erminespot.com) Received: from JS (cpe-024-088-253-140.nc.res.rr.com [24.88.253.140]) by baracus.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC3B10F076 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:58:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Guenievre de Monmarche" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: <00da01c632b6$31f67570$1a01a8c0@tereckoffice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYys5u8UhIuVt4ASmmWRZW+e7aufwAAgFeg X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1G4wcpf066799 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:59:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4069C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > This image is direct, and shows what I mean. > > > http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies/assets/main/95_137_main.jpg > > > > I had always presumed that the outer gown was longer or the same > length > > than the kirtle worn underneath, yet that seems to not be the case in > this > > effigy, and apparently, in English gowns of the time. The kirtles > shown in > > the effigy are very long, over the feet long, as in they would be a > few > > inches lower than the ground long when you are standing. I don't > follow > > how the skirts would be constantly pooling around your feet when you > are > > standing and walking, and not trip a lot. > > > > Kimiko I generally wear my 14th/15th century garb (both kirtle and gown layers) at past-my-feet level as you describe, and once you've practiced in it a bit, it's not as bad as you would think. If I'm walking a long distance or outdoors, I pick my skirts up, and going up stairs can be slightly tricky, but if I'm indoors and wearing appropriate shoes (turnshoes) I can just kick the hems out of my way as I walk. YMMV, of course... Jennifer / Guenièvre _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 00:00:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G5026q030483 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:00:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G4xw3g022870; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:00:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G4xgnO097060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4xYXn067674; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:59:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G4xHbr067388 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:59:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05640 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:30:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:30:18 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <008901c63263$14598500$935083d1@rmitchellras> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:00:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F406CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I'd like to see That one...(And who said that Victorians were lacking > in a sense of humor... when it came to "Dress"? Some of the examples I use during my talk on the Victorian view of historic costume come from a book called "Fancy Dresses Described," by Ardern Holt, a very popular manual of ideas for costumes for fancy-dress parties. In addition to a large number of historical figures, it gave instructions (and a few illustrations) for how to dress as a deck of cards, a tea set, various flowers, etc. (The historical designs, of course, bore little resemblance to actual period costume of the historical figures.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 00:11:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G5Bl6w030720 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:11:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G5BfDK027370; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:11:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G5B2q1098800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G5Ax2P078031; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G5ArtV077914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-116-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.116]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1G5ApZv024294 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:10:52 +1100 Message-ID: <018001c632b7$5959a910$74daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060215174746.19204.qmail@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Roses Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:10:47 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:11:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4098D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kahlara" To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Roses > Found this embroidery pattern while looking for something else. They call > it "English Rose" but it looks like the right thing to me. Hope it helps. > > http://www.dragonbear.com/cenrose.html > > Annette M > Actually a Tudor rose usually only has 2 layers (one rose on top of another) a better pattern would be the 'Queen's Order of Courtesy' pattern at the bottom of this page http://www.dragonbear.com/ekbadges.html with red and white petals (there is no firm rule about wether the red rose is in front of the white rose or vice versa) with a yellow centre and green leaves. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 00:35:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G5Zf5h031231 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:35:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G5ZboP003823; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:35:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G5Z806002218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G5Z5Is001196; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G5Z1sh001119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.9] (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k1G5YppN024494 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:34:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:33:08 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:35:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F40F29.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >If pictures in books dont suit your taste, then for a good grovel, a >CV, and a letter of introduction you can get into the Bath Museum of >Costume and fondle the real thing. Other museums have their own >rituals of supplication. Well, my CV is not applicable because I haven't done much costume professionally. I didn't need a letter of introduction, and I didn't grovel, either. Of course, I was just looking at stockings, not gowns - maybe they're fussier with the gowns. A lot of museums are open to visits by dedicated amateurs, you just need to phone and write ahead of time and understand that many places are understaffed. It helps to belong to the Costume Society, and meet curators that way. The more people you meet, the more cool stuff you can see, then you meet more people, and see more stuff... I started 20 years ago looking at lace at the Met in New York. Somebody helpfully told me "all you have to do is make an appointment." And it worked! It's nice to arrive bearing gifts - chocolate is always correct. And if going over there (wherever "over there" is), books published over here are nice, too. A lot of people have opportunities to visit collections, so if the question is out there then people may remember to look when they do have the chance to examine original gowns. And then there are the symposium weekends, where a curator and/or private collector brings their originals to show off. So yes, I believe in looking at originals to learn the techniques that were used. Also, regarding American vs European - some collections in America include European clothing. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 03:18:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8I02c018037 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:18:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8Huue029071; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G8HFYU026098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8HAV4037145; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8H63v037049 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.198]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E544E47FEB6 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:17:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c632d1$659512e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <25a.6ead82a.3124f5b8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:17:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:17:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F43534.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Yes this picture is at a museum in London, I have studyed it there in person a coupple of times. The size of the picture dissapointed me a little, as it is a very small picture. Its a lovely dress. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial > > In a message dated 2/15/2006 3:57:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_019.jpg > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher_018.jpg > > > > The color seems off in these pics. > > Anyway, Glen Close wears a replica of this gown [in a dark teal with pink > roses and bows] in "Dangerous Liaisons".... in the only scene where all > the main > characters are together, at the Salon, listening to the castrate singing > Handel. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 03:34:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8YAK7021717 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:34:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8XxK5001252; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:34:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G8Xabl027891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:33:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8XYdT049013; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8XV6V048976 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7C33BC504E4; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:28:51 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:33:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c632d3$b097bb60$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060215152105.51681.qmail@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1G8XV6V048976 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:34:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F438F7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you are wearing a corset that is comfortably tight, your body doesn't move much. On top of that, you wear a dress bodice which laces up the back or sides, so you get a really good fit every time. It gives the smooth look. Bjarne, would you like some photos of women dressing for the Renaissance Faire? We try to be as authentic as possible, so we wear chemise, corset, hoops, bumroll (which just sits on the hips, no need to lace it in, underskirt, overskirt, and bodice top. Some of our folks who are very good seamstresses achieve a great fit. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Hmm.... so you think they had a corset with tabs to which the bumroll was attached and over it the dress? So the dress itself should be of two parts - the skirt and the bodice. One thing that remains a mystery to me is this perfect fit of the bodices - I'd say they were at least stiffened with something. AlbertCat@aol.com says they were boned. This thing with attaching the bumroll to the tabs of the corset is quite interesting - I've never heard about it before. You know it from the Evolution of Fashion? It's a real pity I haven't got that book. But it's a good tip for buying, thanks:-)) Just one thing - how far on the tabs would the bumroll be, I mean, just at the waist or an inch or two lower? Just to know how to make the waistline of that bumroll. Zuzana Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I think they wore a bodice under the dress wich had a peplum or large tabs. And i would guess there was lacing holes on top of the tabs, to hold up a small bumroll. Corsets must have ben worn to give this push up breasts, and smooth bodice. How they looked like, i really would have loved to see. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 03:36:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8aXPh022508 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:36:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8aTbc002018; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:36:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G8a9Gf028272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:36:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8a8Q0050876; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8a5I6050842 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.198]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C28A447FEBD for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:36:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005501c632d4$0fc6cc20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602152056.k1FKtfYf024991@net.indra.com> <8C8009DD3B2C27B-17F0-BCF4@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: colonial Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:36:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4398D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Its difficult to say. There are small flower carriers survived from the period. Stuck down into the bodice opening with fresh water to carry fresh flowers. It was very fashionable with flowers. In Denmark many of the flowers were imported from Italy made of porcelain. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: colonial > Just out of curiosity -- are the flowers in this lady's hair and corsage > supposed to be real, and if not, how would they be made? > > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 > > Thanks! > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 03:52:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8q3RQ027510 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:52:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8pxwc006313; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G8paxD030697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8pZUe063491; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8pV0C063435 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.198]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E87CDA50041 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:51:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005a01c632d6$37fc4e70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <23c.6fad522.3124f1c4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:51:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:52:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F43D2F.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Suddently i remember a bodice from Bavaria, from the book: "Textile Schätze aus Renaissance und Barock" from Bayerisches Nationalmuseum. Its a very early childs bodice from the Cavalier Style Period. Only the sleave slashes has whalebone stiffening. No boning in the body. But you are right that it could be used. Mens doublets had whalebone stiffening in the front. But i still think they wore a corset. The later 1660-70 bodices were whaleboned, but they were also laced in the center back, wich makes a difference. Its such a shame we have these gashes of mystery.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" > > In a message dated 2/15/2006 2:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > Evolution says its the bodice with the tabs which is the actually corset, > but > i dont believe they wore such short stays. I think they used the > evolution > shapes of the old renaissance stays. We dont know this, as no stays > excist > from this period. Their posture kind of tells me that they did wear > corsets, > also the way the breasts are lifted up. > > > > *************** > > But when you get to the 1660s you have bodices mounted onto a boned lining > [something that really helps with the horizontal neckline]. This suggests > to me > that there is some kind of transitional thing probably going on in the > 1630s, It's like they start out with the corset with bodice over it but > perhaps as > the waistline rises, the bodices start getting tacked to the corset and > then > eventually, because of the high waist perhaps, the corset becomes the > lining > of the bodice. They are made up separately. > > Tabs and tassets seem to be present when some kind of lacing or tying up > is > necessary.....like in a man's doublet where the hosen are laced to the > doublet. With this logic, and also the attaching of rolls and pads and > even > farthingals to the corset under its tassets being common, I can see how > this was > transferred to the actual bodice, especially if it keeps a separate skirt > up at > the high waistline...either under or over the tassets. Also, sometimes > you > see an unstructured open gown over the quite complete in its own right > rigid > gown...that undergown acting like underpinnings of sorts. > > I could find pics in books pretty easily, but I don't know where to go on > the web. If someone thinks they know what I'm talking about [hahahahahaha! > Gotcha!] they might be so kind as to point me to some picture sources. > > This is not a period I have ever even made a gown for....or studied too > closely. But I like it, and always scrutinize images from it. I love Van > Dyke! > Maybe I'm thinking of some of his portraits. > > Y'know, we mostly think of underwear as underwear....you don't show it > off > and it's not outerwear to be seen. But in many periods, that distinction > is > definitely a blurry one...at least in informal affairs. The fashion > designer, > Versace, who loved to comb the Met Museum in NYC, and others, understood > this > and used these notions for effect; designing couture evening gowns that, > from > afar, look like bras and slips. You can see the residue of this too even > in > guys clothes when they show the top of their boxers. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 03:54:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8snwY027723 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:54:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8shGk007144; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:54:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G8sIZL031136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8sIHG065659; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8sFjS065624 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1G8sEVR017986 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:54:14 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.88.204] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-88-204.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.88.204]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G8rqVu133768 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:54:11 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060216002819.0347d130@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:31:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060215074517.023c0690@surewest.net> References: <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003201c6318e$047c9b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214193333.034258c8@64.87.54.245> <008301c6321d$6adb5fc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:54:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F43DD3.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I have a fashion print showing "historical" outfits for a fancy dress >(costume) ball in the 1880s. It's hilarious from a costumer's >viewpoint. Imagine Mary Queen of Scots with an 1880s shape. :-D Very funny. I love that stuff. I have several of these cross-period historical prints, plus a couple of books about it. Some day I'll make one, and show up at a Gaskell in it, as tho it'd gotten the outfit from a long gone Victorian theatre company. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 03:59:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8xaoU028106 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:59:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G8xXBO008665; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:59:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G8wLcA031819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8wG04068965; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G8w8uD068859 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.198]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 81358262819 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:58:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007401c632d7$253d7560$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c632d3$b097bb60$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:58:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:59:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F43EF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, would you like some photos of women dressing for the Renaissance Faire? We try to be as authentic as possible, so we wear chemise, corset, hoops, bumroll (which just sits on the hips, no need to lace it in, underskirt, overskirt, and bodice top. Some of our folks who are very good seamstresses achieve a great fit. Sharon Dear Sharon, I think you have misunderstanded me. I was not talking about the renaissance period, but the later cavalier period 1625- 35 where the skirt is sitting very high from the natural waist. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 04:08:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G98rQS029114 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:08:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G98nAI011863; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:08:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G974DF033131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G9735l075630; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:07:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G96wdG075556 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gufLYSln5uPTWsPRuT+52Nbj92oykBIfJPJq5LD1g+YyDRJ3aaP66c5w2tDCHSvV; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9f6H-0001Ky-Id for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c62fb3$fc67cb70$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060215152105.51681.qmail@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers" Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:09:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ffa1b517e6a6d3cd4d5780a19bdfbf143ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:08:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F44121.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO " > Hmm.... so you think they had a corset with tabs to which the bumroll was > attached and over it the dress? So the dress itself should be of two > parts - the skirt and the bodice. One thing that remains a mystery to me > is this perfect fit of the bodices - I'd say they were at least stiffened > with something. AlbertCat@aol.com says they were boned. > This thing with attaching the bumroll to the tabs of the corset is quite > interesting - I've never heard about it before. You know it from the > Evolution of Fashion? It's a real pity I haven't got that book. But it's a > good tip for buying, thanks:-)) Just one thing - how far on the tabs would > the bumroll be, I mean, just at the waist or an inch or two lower? Just to > know how to make the waistline of that bumroll. > > Zuzana My bodices stay very smooth, and the only place they're boned is the lacing tabs at the front, under the stomacher. I wear them over a corset cut very much like the effigy corset, but shorter and with the back slightly higher. Of course, I also interline my bodices with linen or canvas, depending on how stiff the outer fabric is. The interlining really does make a difference. I use a bumroll with some of my dresses. If the fabric is heavy enough I don't always need one, as I have natural padding there. With the lighter weight fabrics I use a small one, but I have never had any problems with it falling down, so I just tie it around myself. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 04:10:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9ARPD029263 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:10:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9ANEK025686; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:10:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G99leQ033628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G99l78077723; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G99hgR077666 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=My9eZpZ8ZU4jpUJWQ3gv7ESb49reNWR/dvgoBZLQxuRezCcafc5AbTtSoBSgDR3B; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9f8x-0001hV-B2 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:09:43 -0500 Message-ID: <009a01c62fb4$5f390930$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c63274$b55fafe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:11:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ffa1b517e6a6d3cd5d5be71a8e4e4f1b2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:10:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4417F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi, > I think some of you might have misunderstanded my explanations to this. > I was not reffering to the movie picture costumes, but the cavallier style > fashion for women. With the high waists. > The reason why i want the bumroll to be laced to a bodice is that the > dress waistline is so high over the natural waistline, that it simply > couldnt be tied arround so high, without slipping down emediately. > > Bjarne I haven't found this to be a problem with any of my dresses, and I never lace the bumroll to the bodice. I just tie it around me where I want it to stay and it does. I'm pretty short-waisted naturally, but no one else for whom I've made this style has had any problems with it, either. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 04:24:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9OqgH030577 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:24:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9OkUX016111; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G9OPiu035650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G9OMJo088997; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G9OIBx088954 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=feFvU3ylh07gxBhO8nDsAdi/lVamX5CsbyC5Nij+tkNTKVIKSCweOseCpGLEpaRr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9fN3-0004Kc-Bk for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:24:17 -0500 Message-ID: <00b001c62fb6$683fc1c0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060215171428.67869.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: work at home 'rituals' Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:26:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ffa1b517e6a6d3cd7f90a2bbf2a9c56d60db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:24:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F444DE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've got a couple things that work for me. First, everything is in one room. I also have a smock that I wear to work in. I first started using the smock just because it kept me from getting thread and lint all over my clothes and it had a lot of pockets, but it has come to mean "work" to me. I can't decree "office hours" as easily as some, because my arthritis and fibromyalgia dictate frequent breaks and changes in routine. For instance, I can't sit at the sewing machine for more than an hour at the most, so I try to vary my tasks so that I can keep working, but not be doing the same thing. Even so, I take breaks about every 2 hours or so. I have also found that, with my husband working nights, I get most of my work done in the late afternoon and evenings. I have a large chalkboard in my workroom, something I picked up from the first costume shop I worked in. On it are all the garments I'm currently making, along with what I need to do on each. As I finish a task, it gets erased. A little thing, but it really does keep me on track and I can tell how I'm doing with a glance. With the exception of hand work, I try not to let the business take over my life. Hand work, I take everywhere with me. It's become joke amoung my friends that I'm never without a sewing kit and handsewing, but that's how I get it done. The other thing that has really helped me was getting a headset for my telephone. With the headset, I can take calls and still work with my hands, so long phone calls aren't a problem. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 04:35:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9Z3QK031406 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:35:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9YxKd019017; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:35:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G9YaeC036656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G9YYIv095849; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G9YULI095702 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1G9YNt07207.; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:34:23 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:34:23 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:34:04 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1G9YULI095702 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:35:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F44743.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No, I haven't found it a problem either: after all, the high waist of the "Cavalier" style isn't as extreme as that of the Empire line. I'm long-waisted, but I make my bodices come down to my lower ribs and wear my bumroll round my waist. It sits on my hipbones and supports the waist of my skirts level with the bottom of the bodice. I wear a corset with my "best" dress, but for ordinary Living History I'm thin enough to get away with bodices lined with strong fabric and lightly boned. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> moreplentyn@earthlink.net 12/02/2006 09:11 >>> >> Hi, >> I think some of you might have misunderstanded my explanations to this. >> I was not reffering to the movie picture costumes, but the cavallier style >> fashion for women. With the high waists. >> The reason why i want the bumroll to be laced to a bodice is that the >> dress waistline is so high over the natural waistline, that it simply >> couldnt be tied arround so high, without slipping down emediately. > >> Bjarne >I haven't found this to be a problem with any of my dresses, and I never >lace the bumroll to the bodice. I just tie it around me where I want it to >stay and it does. I'm pretty short-waisted naturally, but no one else for >whom I've made this style has had any problems with it, either. >Melusine ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 04:58:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9wQOT005111 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:58:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9wMQN025407; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:58:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1G9ssfZ041533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G9sp8u011369; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1G9smeD011320 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:54:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SUKmZOY4f00FqSdDjOO2ybgBf79SJCUQ0kmnVtpHVZuuEU9DJL4A4h1YSsyNo5FF; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9fqa-0001cG-Dw for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: <00ff01c62fba$abc75df0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:57:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ffa1b517e6a6d3cd90f625c21ef4a7cda7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:58:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F44CBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > No, I haven't found it a problem either: after all, the high waist of the > "Cavalier" style isn't as extreme as that of the Empire line. I'm > long-waisted, but I make my bodices come down to my lower ribs and wear my > bumroll round my waist. It sits on my hipbones and supports the waist of > my skirts level with the bottom of the bodice. > I wear a corset with my "best" dress, but for ordinary Living History I'm > thin enough to get away with bodices lined with strong fabric and lightly > boned. > > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor You know, my current theory is that probably a good many women wore corsets under their dresses, and some women had boned bodices or boned linings in the dresses, and maybe some of them wore both. There's several ways to get the correct line and without existant garments we really don't know. I'm also pretty sure that lower class women didn't bone their garments as much as the upper classes did, but again, we probably won't every know. So, I look at as many pictures as I can find, read as much written evidence (wills and other records) and then try my own theories to find what actually works in wearing it. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 07:04:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GC4bvI002847 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:04:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GC4XEO011881; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:04:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GC3qdB070465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GC3feJ023988; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:03:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f31.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GC3bkq023759 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:02:09 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:02:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00ff01c62fba$abc75df0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cavelier clothing, was 3 musketeers Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:02:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 12:02:09.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0903790:01C632F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:04:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F46A51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO God! I wish I lived closer to you all! It would be so cool to be able to discuss this time period over a cuppa, 'round a campfire. I am the only one in this area who does this time period and often miss my hardcore re enacting days. Great conversation. Kelly in NS "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Carmen Beaudry" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers >Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:57:01 -0800 > > > > >> >>No, I haven't found it a problem either: after all, the high waist of the >>"Cavalier" style isn't as extreme as that of the Empire line. I'm >>long-waisted, but I make my bodices come down to my lower ribs and wear my >>bumroll round my waist. It sits on my hipbones and supports the waist of >>my skirts level with the bottom of the bodice. >>I wear a corset with my "best" dress, but for ordinary Living History I'm >>thin enough to get away with bodices lined with strong fabric and lightly >>boned. >> >> >>Kate Bunting >>Librarian and 17th century reenactor > >You know, my current theory is that probably a good many women wore corsets >under their dresses, and some women had boned bodices or boned linings in >the dresses, and maybe some of them wore both. There's several ways to get >the correct line and without existant garments we really don't know. I'm >also pretty sure that lower class women didn't bone their garments as much >as the upper classes did, but again, we probably won't every know. So, I >look at as many pictures as I can find, read as much written evidence >(wills and other records) and then try my own theories to find what >actually works in wearing it. > >Melusine > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 07:17:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GCHVHB005710 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:17:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GCHSq9018357; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:17:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GCH2A6072436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GCH0LF038729; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GCGvvH038681 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.198]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F66CA50041 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:16:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c632f2$e0928150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:16:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] cavalier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:17:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F46D58.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO God! I wish I lived closer to you all! It would be so cool to be able to discuss this time period over a cuppa, 'round a campfire. I am the only one in this area who does this time period and often miss my hardcore re enacting days. Great conversation. Kelly in NS Hi Kelly, Yeah i really agree with you, i have it the same way, i mis my gustavian friends, sometimes i want to imigrate to Stockholm. But we are lucky to have this list arent we :-) Thanks for your inputs with this topic. I have some beautifull brocade in a mixture of cotton and viskose in light grey. Its a dress fabric, but it falls very heavy. Perhaps i could use this for a cavalier dress? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 08:42:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GDgbpa007366 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:42:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GDgX8e021722; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:42:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GDUXmR079106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GDUUsC098417; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GDUQww098367 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.198]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E6952628B6 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:30:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c632fd$20d0d730$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:30:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Amadeus X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:42:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F48149.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Some time ago the swedish television showed directors cut of Amadeus. I taped it. In this there i a scene where Constance pays a visit to Sallieri, and he tells her to come back in the evening. I dont think this scene is in the original version. Constance is desperate to have Sallieri help Mozart to get a teacher job for Princesse Louise. When she gets back in the evening, she starts to undress herself expecting to pay Sallieri this way. Then i noticed that Constance is wearing a victorian corset - like thing cut with the bust like a bra.............. Arhhhhhhhhhhhhhh How on earth can this take place in a movie of today? I never liked Amadeus costume wise, and the wigs are awfull puddle dog like. Some of the mens costumes are ok, and besides the Turkish dress, that an opera singer is wearing, womens costumes dont come to my taste. But i know that it is very expensive to pay for all the costumes in such a movie, and most of them are likely rented somewhere, but really! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:01:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GE1clB007730 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:01:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GE1Wg6028906; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:01:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GE17XU082214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GE15MO023721; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GE11E6023557 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:01:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A59601A4; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:00:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 09:00:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c63301$ac4dc6c0$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:02:44 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:01:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F485BC.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If some of my memory serves me right, doesn't fashion history suggest that children were more or less dressed as minies of their elders , especially during this time period? My children's clothing history does not present separate patterns or expectations until the very end of the 18th C. Since most of the pattern companies that have been issuing period dress also have basic children's versions that at least have been sized for smaller frames, putting the pattern pieces next to H-costume pieces and reshape them for the Historical look. I have even been doing this with doll patterns of late and as you know, the Cut is where the history happens. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose > http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=pp.html&ca > rt_id=71329_959 > > Patterns 51 and 52 (need to scroll down) Sorry, for adults but can give an > idea of what to look for in making you daughters outfit. > I had thought that Margo Anderson was working on some Elizabethan children's > patterns for her next major patterns but I guess I was thinking of another > history pattern company. > Once upon a time I could have sworn that there was a Tudor pattern for girls > that with a bit o' tweaking could be very close to period in construction > but I can't seem to find it. > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:06:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GE6Rq9007804 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GE6NrA030922; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GE5F7D082511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GE5EXq027370; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GE5B7k027245 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6900234; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:05:04 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 09:04:56 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c63302$41184aa0$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:06:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:06:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F486DF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I mut look this one up! It might have all those dicey tid-bits that would amuse women at Tea. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > I'd like to see That one...(And who said that Victorians were lacking > > in a sense of humor... when it came to "Dress"? > > Some of the examples I use during my talk on the Victorian view of > historic costume come from a book called "Fancy Dresses Described," by > Ardern Holt, a very popular manual of ideas for costumes for fancy-dress > parties. In addition to a large number of historical figures, it gave > instructions (and a few illustrations) for how to dress as a deck of > cards, a tea set, various flowers, etc. (The historical designs, of > course, bore little resemblance to actual period costume of the historical > figures.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:10:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEAgZQ007904 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:10:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEAd84032613; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:10:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GEAAcG082897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEA8H1031208; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1GEA4ja031161 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:10:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 55073 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 14:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.254 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 14:10:03 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060216140656.01d79650@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:08:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <003d01c63302$41184aa0$945083d1@rmitchellras> References: <003d01c63302$41184aa0$945083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:10:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F487DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:06 16/02/2006, you wrote: >I mut look this one up! It might have all those dicey tid-bits that would >amuse women at Tea. > > > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > > > I'd like to see That one...(And who said that Victorians were lacking > > > in a sense of humor... when it came to "Dress"? > > > > Some of the examples I use during my talk on the Victorian view of > > historic costume come from a book called "Fancy Dresses Described," by > > Ardern Holt, a very popular manual of ideas for costumes for fancy-dress > > parties. In addition to a large number of historical figures, it gave > > instructions (and a few illustrations) for how to dress as a deck of > > cards, a tea set, various flowers, etc. (The historical designs, of > > course, bore little resemblance to actual period costume of the historical > > figures.) > > I have a copy if you have problems finding one. Not all the illustrations are there, but as I picked it up cheap on E-bay, I was quite happy. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:32:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEW31D008223 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:32:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEVxcj009992; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:32:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GEVb5H085146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEVXIY049822; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEVToK049762 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10113 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:02:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:02:30 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <003d01c63302$41184aa0$945083d1@rmitchellras> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:32:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F48CDF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: [about "Fancy Dresses Described," by Ardern Holt:] > I mut look this one up! It might have all those dicey tid-bits that > would amuse women at Tea. I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book (went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of collections. Don't know what sort of dicey tidbits you're looking for; the entire book is costume descriptions. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:42:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEgdeA008403 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:42:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEgZ2S015334; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:42:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GEefoM086268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEedgo057956; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:40:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEeaKx057895 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:37:09 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lightbown's European Medieval Jewellery Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:40:36 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <004801c63306$f33895b0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <0ac601c6325a$116e6210$e100a8c0@compaqub> Thread-Index: AcYysoyJyizChXVIQvSnZeIVo45g1wAU+9tg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 14:37:09.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[77D5ABB0:01C63306] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1GEeaKx057895 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:42:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F48F5B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can they do a re-issue on CD's? much cheaper to make multiple copies I would imagine; once the scanning and all is done. (OED went that route for at least one edition.) Having ILL'd this volume, yes it is huge, and yes it is glorious, but the pages were almost cardstock weight, and more of us have computers now... Just my .02 lira; Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Lightbown's European Medieval Jewellery I hate to forward stuff, but if I had a few hundred lying around fallow I'd want this book: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Originally posted to EK_AnS "I have contacted the V&A about a reprint of this book ['European Medieval Jewellery' by Ronald W. Lightbown]. It's been out of print for decades and it's almost the "bible" for medieval jewellery enthusiasts around the world. So many people are after a copy, that I thought it might be worthwhile finding out what the publisher thinks about a reprint. Now, generally they are not against the idea, but there are a few things they said: The book was and will be expensive. But seeing that the last available copy that I know of went for something ridiculous like $800 US, I would happily pay the £120 or £150 it cost originally - it's a great book and worth every penny (or cent or whathaveyou....) They need to have a ballpark figure of how many people would be interested to buy it. If it is a close cut, those people might have to pledge themselves to buy it for it to be reprinted, if the number is overwhelming, they will probably not need to confirm every single buyer. Even though I know that there are several people who would love to have it, I also know that it's a different matter to actually "have" to buy it, once it's available. I have wanted it for ages, that's why I am doing this. In any case, before anything happens, they need a number. I am asking for your help now, in finding out how many people there would possibly be, who would be interested in buying a copy, if it is reprinted. All you medieval jewellery people, if you want it, please let me know or if you know someone who wants it, could you let them all know about it and tell them to let me know, too? If you could pass this on to as many people you know who might be interested or any groups you think might be interested as well, it would help a lot and I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks everyone, Caithlinn" You can contact her at caithlinn@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:45:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEjIFO008459 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:45:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEjEWZ016482; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GEinJu086829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEimeA061692; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEihnx061636 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10269 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:15:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:15:46 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F48FFA.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wrote: > [about "Fancy Dresses Described," by Ardern Holt:] > > I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book > (went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of > collections. Following Suzi's comment, I just found a bunch of them on bookfinder; the cheapest ($25) is missing its plates, and the most expensive is $500! Here's a copy with pictures on ebay, very cheap starting bid: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8384148412 --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:47:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GElH5u008504 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:47:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GElEhT018589; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:47:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GEjSrO086889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:45:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEjRjO062216; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:45:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEjNAp062056 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:45:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.28c.5cd9ce3 (57317) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <28c.5cd9ce3.3125e9fa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:45:14 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amadeus To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:47:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F49072.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:31:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I never liked Amadeus costume wise ************* Ahhhhhh....the movie I love to hate! It is TACKY! That's the only word for it. The designer has no taste. [his other opus, "Valmont" is tacky and clueless too] He just doesn't get it. It won the Oscar for best costumes that year, y'know. Up against 3 films with perfect costumes: "Places in the Heart" [1930s midwest America]. "Passage to India" [the British in India, 1920s] and "The Bostonians" [1876 America]. All three of these "losers" were beautifully designed with clothes that spoke to character and a healthy respect for the periods and places involved. "Amadeus" was just a garish mess....and a bad movie to boot. The "fleshing out" of the play ruined it as well as the tacky clothes and acrylic fur wigs. The play, which I saw on B'way with Tim Curry and Jane Seymour, was great! Good costumes and the whole episode was clearly in Salieri's befuddled mind, not reality. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:47:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEliZw008522 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:47:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEleWd017543; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:47:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GElAJq087041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEl8Qe063787; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEl1NV063595 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A05F0264; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:46:55 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 09:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401c63308$1a70e8c0$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:48:48 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:47:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4908C.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I often use my 19th C etiquette books, especially Putnam's as an introduction to conversation. Many of them also deal with Correct Fashion, so Fancy Dress will be another topic. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing,was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > [about "Fancy Dresses Described," by Ardern Holt:] > > > I mut look this one up! It might have all those dicey tid-bits that > > would amuse women at Tea. > > I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book > (went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of > collections. > > Don't know what sort of dicey tidbits you're looking for; the entire book > is costume descriptions. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 09:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEqL0l008626 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:52:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GEqHoF019738; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:52:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GEpXWA087877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEpXU1068494; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1GEpQ84068339 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:51:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 24142 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 14:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.254 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 14:51:24 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060216144607.01d7c240@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:48:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:52:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F491A1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:15 16/02/2006, you wrote: >I wrote: > > > [about "Fancy Dresses Described," by Ardern Holt:] > > > > I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book > > (went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of > > collections. > >Following Suzi's comment, I just found a bunch of them on bookfinder; the >cheapest ($25) is missing its plates, and the most expensive is $500! > >Here's a copy with pictures on ebay, very cheap starting bid: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8384148412 > >--Robin Whooo, that's got more pictures than mine. Good luck bidding, if you decide. I might bid if the price stays like that and nobody else is interested, then sell on my less complete copy. However, I don't want to enter a war with anybody on list, so p[lease let me know. Thanks Robin for the heads up. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 10:24:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GFOOVa009235 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:24:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GFOKvT004406; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:24:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GFIERQ091094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GFI7PO095090; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:18:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1GFHvG1094931 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 32170 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 15:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.254 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 15:17:56 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060216151147.01d634c0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:15:55 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <2a0.5970140.31250b1c@aol.com> References: <2a0.5970140.31250b1c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fiskars scissors/shears- springs replaced X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:24:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F49924.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Whoever commented that Fiskars sent her replacement springs - thank you so much. They sent me two new springs, one of which my DH fitted, and I am go for cutting again. They really need a professional sharpen, (I tried to cut a pin, and for once I can't sharpen them well enough) but they are still better than the big ones I had to use. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:09:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GG9tYc010005 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:09:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GG9pme029060; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GG3Nl0097572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:03:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GG3Fal044394; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GG35ed044175 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F9lay-0002t0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: <24928433.1140105784342.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:03:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] colors (was colonial) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:09:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A3CF.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not period maybe, but with deep purple-blue as accent color I'd go silver for the "white-ish" color. And I agree with Dawn about touches of an intermediate blue or blues, or, to my taste, violet. Just two cents' worth... Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Dawn >Sent: Feb 15, 2006 12:16 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] colors (was colonial) > >Diana Habra wrote: > >>>Oooo wedding dress!!!!!:) What color? >>>De >> >> >> Well, that has been the hardest part. I want to do a white-ish color >> white, cream, chanpagne, etc.) but my accent color is a deep purple-blue. >> I originally intended to make it white with the blue accents but the >> contrast is so big! I am still trying to figure out how to do it. >> > >Yellow? Maybe a paler yellow, but not too light. Get some shades of blue > that graduate up to your darkest color, to soften the contrast. > > > >Dawn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:15:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGFRV5010082 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:15:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGFOvH032165; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGEQwR099314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGENxS056672; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGEIQv056477 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.26b.5d5ef46 (62952) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:13:54 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <26b.5d5ef46.3125fec2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:13:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] colors (was colonial) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:15:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A51C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:09:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: Not period maybe, but with deep purple-blue as accent color I'd go silver for the "white-ish" color. Actually, it seems to me that I have read descriptions of silver 18th century wedding dresses, but I can't give you documentation, so I may be wrong. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:18:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGI9Lh010218 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:18:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGI5DS001169; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:18:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGHPKt099627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGHP3x059768; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGHLBL059613 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:17:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.9d.71241b67 (16633) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.71241b67.3125ff7d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:17:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] colors (was colonial) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:18:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A5BD.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:04:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: Not period maybe, but with deep purple-blue as accent color I'd go silver for the "white-ish" color. ******************* Indeed. An "oyster" color. Y'know, a dove grey might look good. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:21:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGLoVB010382 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGLijB003273; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGLJoQ000376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:21:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGLIEH063854; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GF21Sf078602 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3E302B4; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:01:55 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 10:01:38 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01c6330a$2ce60740$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:03:36 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A699.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just did a quick search with the usual book vendors and my jaw is still flapping! How about $500.00!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing,was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > [about "Fancy Dresses Described," by Ardern Holt:] > > > I mut look this one up! It might have all those dicey tid-bits that > > would amuse women at Tea. > > I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book > (went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of > collections. > > Don't know what sort of dicey tidbits you're looking for; the entire book > is costume descriptions. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:21:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGLq1r010386 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGLmK3025622; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGJeZr099985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGJbR5061965; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1GBmuG0010126 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74340 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 11:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.254 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 11:48:55 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060216114348.01d86210@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:46:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139 In-Reply-To: <069b01c62e9d$0bfe5bc0$0400a8c0@boris> References: <069b01c62e9d$0bfe5bc0$0400a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A69C.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:52 10/02/2006, you wrote: >>Have you seen the "Three Musketeers" and the "Four Musketeers" with Michael >>York, Richard Chamberlain, and Oliver Reed? Talk about costumes!!! They are >>amazing, and they have recently become available on DVD. Although again, >>Raquel Welch's costumes were designed differently from all the rest, and are >>not authentic. But very pretty. >> >>Gail Finke > >This is the period in which I specialize and I have never seen such >good costuming in a film. Completely ignore everything Raquel Welch >is wearing and the rest are amazing. The Queen's costumes were >taking almost line for line from some of her portraits, and so were >the King's. There are a multitude of tavern and town scenes that I >recognize from paintings, also. > >The corsetry of this time is an unknown. The only existant corsetry >between 1603 and 1650 is a bodice in the V&A with a boned lining, >although I have heard rumors of a corset tentively dated to 1635 >having recently been found within an English farmhouse wall. From >extensive study of the visual evidence, it's pretty clear that they >wore some sort of foundation garment, because while the dresses and >necklines have a more natural, rounded look than previously, they >are still very smooth and supported. My own personal theory is that >some women discarded their corsets and went with boned linings in >their dresses, but most probably all of them didn't. Just look at >how many women still wore bras during the 1970's "braless" >era. Again, my theory from experimenting with the shape and boning >placement for corsets under these styles, is that it's something >between the very flat fronted Elizabethan styles, and the very >rounded, off the shoulder style of the 1660's. The corsets I wear >with my 1635 dresses are cut much like the Elizabethan effigy >corset, but with a higher back, higher waist, tabs cut in a piece >with the body like the 1660's design, and horizontal (actually >slightly diagonal) boning at the center front neckline. It seems to >work pretty well and gives me more of a rounded front shape than the >Elizabethans, without looking too late. > >Disclaimer: most of the above are my opinions and theories. If >anyone has knowlege of existant garments that I don't, I'd love to >know about it. There are boned bodices in the Museum of London, but manly from the 1650's. I recently looked at bodices and a beautiful pair of stays from the 1670's. There are museums in England apart from the V &A and the Mof L that have boned bodices I am sure. Possibly Bath has one, and maybe Platt Hall in Manchester, which also has a pair of 17th century stays I believe. I will post the name of a book listing existing garments in British museums when I can find it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:21:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGLu2Z010391 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGLrlM015031; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGL9rT000340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGL8qG063675; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GF1LJb077915 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10479 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:32:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:32:18 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060216144607.01d7c240@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:21:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A6A1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > Whooo, that's got more pictures than mine. Good luck bidding, if you > decide. I might bid if the price stays like that and nobody else is > interested, then sell on my less complete copy. However, I don't want > to enter a war with anybody on list, so p[lease let me know. I won't be bidding; I don't really need it, and there are other books I do need more if I had the money to spend. Keep us posted! If ever a book begged for Dover reprint, this is it. The fully illustrated volumes are lovely. (The book grew, and gained more pictures, as the years/editions progressed.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:23:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGN4WS010450 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:23:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGN0MO017147; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:23:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGKWRO000249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGKVxv063010; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GEWDZm050450 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10146 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:03:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:03:16 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060216140656.01d79650@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:23:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A6E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > I have a copy if you have problems finding one. Not all the > illustrations are there, but as I picked it up cheap on E-bay, I was > quite happy. OH, I am jealous! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:25:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGPGOP010587 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:25:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGPAim005047; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:25:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGJOc8099947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGJMEM061698; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f6.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GBk9wf007900 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:46:09 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:46:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060215171428.67869.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: work at home 'rituals' Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:46:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 11:46:09.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[942907C0:01C632EE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:25:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A766.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When I'm working at home, I get up with my family at 6ish and get ready for work as usual. When they leave the house, I go down stairs. My shop and the computer room are adjoining, I go about my day as if I were at the museum...check email while the iron is heating up, then into the 'shoe' for the day. Pierre comes home for lunch and I stop while he's home, then I stop for the day when the family gets home. The only night when I work is monday, I have students over. I don't work weekends or in the evenings. If I don't bring laundry down with me in the morning, it doesn't get done, that, and I hate housework, so it's a little easier for me. Since I can't figure out the TV in the living room by myself, I don't turn it on, so have gotten used to the idea of not watching TV until I'm off to bed at night. Pierre's an eletronics guru...his TV system makes my profession sewing room look like it's in the dark ages ;-) My main point is, the getting up and preparing for work as you would outside the home. If you can have the space to set up your shop properly and go there as you would an office, it's much easier. Deadlines help too! Kelly in Nova Scotia "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >I got to wondering if other people have special >rituals or procedures they do to separate their time, >particularly those who work at home. > >You never know what useful info could come up, so I >hope you forgive this meander slightly OT. > >Thanks, >Katherine > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. >http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:34:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGY6v2010954 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:34:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGY2pL009654; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:34:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGVxPE001994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGVu9K075029; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:31:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGVocY074825 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23D7A1F97 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:31:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43F4A901.9050506@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:32:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: work at home 'rituals' References: <20060215171428.67869.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060215171428.67869.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:34:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4A97A.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO katherine sanders wrote: > I got to wondering if other people have special > rituals or procedures they do to separate their time, > particularly those who work at home. I'm pretty casual about my "hours", that's one of the reasons I work from home after all, but I do have a sort of routine. Get up, get breakfast, read email, get dressed. Then the _daylight hours are for sewing_, until around 4pm when I quit to do household stuff like prep dinner. I find it difficult to work after dusk, even with good lighting indoors. I take breaks as often as I want to, or need to (arthritis) depending on my workload. I run a pretty quick turnaround time for orders and I know how long it takes me to make each item, so I know whether I can screw around the rest of the afternoon or whether I better get the dress finished so it can be mailed. Generally, I try to divide my time into large chunks. I will sew for several hours when the light is good, and I promise myself computer games after supper. You get much more done when you're not hopping all over trying to do several things. I also keep a list of "jobs" so I can stay on top of the workload, and cross those off when they're finished. I sometimes put tv on in the background (how much of that do you really need to *watch*?) or plug in a bunch of renfest music, but generally I'm not a tv person. My husband is very supportive of my efforts, and during crush times he helps by overlooking the condition of the house and fixing ( or bringing home) dinner for us. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 11:39:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGcuxt011074 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:38:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GGcqxp012526; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GGc5pP003357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGc25D082111; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GGbx4N081981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9m8i-0004oU-8q; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:37:56 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:37:56 -0600 Message-ID: <20060216103756.vmcaq9iyv6bwo8sc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:37:56 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses References: <005501c632af$a5c8be60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> <20060215222937.6a6fqvx4chwkk0ok@www.goldsword.com> <008901c632b5$fd659480$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <008901c632b5$fd659480$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:38:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4AA9C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sue Clemenger : > I don't have the accession number for the shirt, sorry, but you might be > able to find pictures of it online (people's websites and blogs, if nothing > else). Or maybe the V&A website? I'll have to look and see > I'll have to root through my blackwork files to get the cite for the book, > but that, I know I have. Give me a few days? Sure thing -- no hurry. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 12:28:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GHSRtT012058 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:28:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GHSNDe006772; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:28:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GHRPDq011354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GHQK9Z036587; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GHPrmu036100 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB01181A7 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:25:49 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.e6df4 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:25:49 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D9LWdijyxGQIAAAAB,529c377920b0461b4368985bf8111dc0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060216092549.23A95348@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:28:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4B637.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Forgive the timelag, I've been neglecting my email for a few days. Personally, if I was making a costume for a young child, I'd go with a separate shift and gown. The shift would be made ( wide seam allowances, tucks in the shift 'skirt' and sleeves are the two things which spring immediately to mind ) so that it can be let out when the child grows, thereby letting you get more than one years use out of it. I think, too, that it might be more comfortable than everything joined together - it would certainly be easier to make. My 2cents worth. Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "Becky" wrote: Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being different parts and still be accuate? With my daughter being so young, I think that fewer layers would be better for her. She won't be in any competition of costume so I think we can fudge the costume for comfort and design. It only has to please us. She'd like it whether it was "period" or not, as long as it looked like the ones we saw last year. She tried on a costume that was all one piece, including a collar that stood up behing the head. It fit her so well and she wanted it. I ran out of money long before we got to that vender. I purchased fabrics to make my gown and that wasn't cheap. My sister bought her a French hood and she wore it all day. When we found the costume, the vender let her try it on and I got a picture. At least we got that much. She planned to go back this year and play the part. She made friends and she will look them up for sure. Could be worse. She could be interested in the black hair and chains of the goth crowd. I'm not sure I could handle that. Dressing up for Renaissance Faire, we can share the time and have fun, too. This is my favorite time for costumes. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 12:37:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GHbkht012215 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:37:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GHbgYX011757; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:37:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GHaUKr012806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GHaMpk047773; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:36:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f3.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.13]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GHaC53047568 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:36:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:36:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001301c632f2$e0928150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] cavalier Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:36:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 17:36:11.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A877BE0:01C6331F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:37:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4B866.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sounds yummy! Take lots of photos, I'd love to see how you construct the gown. We are very lucky to have this list. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] cavalier >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:16:50 +0100 > >God! I wish I lived closer to you all! It would be so cool to be able to >discuss this time period over a cuppa, 'round a campfire. I am the only >one >in this area who does this time period and often miss my hardcore re >enacting days. > >Great conversation. >Kelly in NS > >Hi Kelly, >Yeah i really agree with you, i have it the same way, i mis my gustavian >friends, sometimes i want to imigrate to Stockholm. >But we are lucky to have this list arent we :-) >Thanks for your inputs with this topic. >I have some beautifull brocade in a mixture of cotton and viskose in light >grey. Its a dress fabric, but it falls very heavy. Perhaps i could use this >for a cavalier dress? > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 14:37:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GJbtcF014390 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:37:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GJboum009195; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GJbAQr030583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GJaV6D072144; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GJaIUG071806 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060216193600m1300flbe4e>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:36:00 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:35:58 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:35:58 +0000 Message-Id: <021620061935.6465.43F4D41E000B7A1E0000194122092299279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:37:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4D48E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm really interested in wanting a blackwork pattern of columbines, also. Actually, I was recently gifted a blackwork book of patterns and there is this one pattern that looks like a columbine but has no spurs - they called it a pansy, but definitely does not look like any pansy I've ever seen. I didn't see anything at the Dragonbear site, and haven't been to the EBA site in a very long time so I guess it is about time I take a look see. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Susan B. Farmer" > Quoting otsisto : > > > This is the week for not finding things. I know I have seen a 1500s > > blackwork pattern of columbines. AAAHHH! > > I'm pretty sure that there's one on the dragonbear site, if not the > Elizabethan Blackwork Archives (or both .....) > > AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH > > I *know* that I've seen one. I"ll have to look at my stuff when I get > home tonight. > > Jerusha > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:12:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKCTFq015037 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:12:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKCPuF026433; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:12:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKC0sP036924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKBkCG011359; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:11:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKBcVr011109 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AC740328; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:11:32 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.141 ([209.131.80.141] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 15:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c63335$73c7e040$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2a0.5970140.31250b1c@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060216151147.01d634c0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fiskars scissors/shears- springs replaced Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:13:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:12:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4DCA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO 'Twas I, Suzi. This is the first company in a long time that treats me (and you) like a valued customer! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] Fiskars scissors/shears- springs replaced > > Whoever commented that Fiskars sent her replacement springs - thank > you so much. > > They sent me two new springs, one of which my DH fitted, and I am go > for cutting again. They really need a professional sharpen, (I tried > to cut a pin, and for once I can't sharpen them well enough) but they > are still better than the big ones I had to use. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:14:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKE65s015069 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKE3K3002097; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKDlmM037136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:13:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKDkdj013306; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts3.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKDfCm013201 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from mtas.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.18]) by tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060216201423.CRSZ3527.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@mtas.sympatico.ca> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:13:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060216201423.CRSZ3527.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@mtas.sympatico.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4DD0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This isn't a pattern, but this is a picture of a shirt discussed in someone elses post, (I don't remember if anyone already posted the picture, sorry if this is redundant) :-) http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/elizabethan/boyshirt1540s.jpg You can clearly see the columbine pattern on the collar, very lovely. Sheridan > Quoting otsisto : > > > This is the week for not finding things. I know I have seen a 1500s > > blackwork pattern of columbines. AAAHHH! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:15:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKF0cw015087 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:15:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKEuGF027519; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKEOrP037208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKEMra013936; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKEFOJ013768 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1GKE819004533 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:09 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:02:34 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602161518.k1GFIHrG095285@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Amadeus X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4DD40.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne: I don't remember the costumes from Amadeus very clearly, were they really that bad? I don't like that movie at all. I got the chance to hear the man who wrote the play speak once, and it made me so furious! I really don't mind what sort of messages people want to make in plays or movies, as long as they make up the stories. But I hate it when they use real people and change their life stories. The story of Amadeus has very little to do with the real Mozart. He did not live in terror of his father, he was very fond of him. And of course Salieri didn't kill him. I know we are all supposed to be sophisticated people who know the difference between a story and real life. But many, many people who are sophisticated enough to understand that Salieri didn't really murder Mozart still think, because of the movie or play, that his father was a terrible monster, and that he ended up in a pauper's grave. I think that is a terrible thing to do to someone's memory. Sigh. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:15:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKFlHi015100 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:15:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKFf2p004697; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKExpW037270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKEvAL014488; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKEqn4014315 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:14:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060216201447m1300fqq41e>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:47 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:45 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:45 +0000 Message-Id: <021620062014.15942.43F4DD350005D49800003E4622007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:15:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4DD6D.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I hope someone can assist me. One of the members of my "household" wants to take a look at what a 10th to the 11th C. German man would have worn. I tried to look through the net - but must not of worded my search correctly because I could not find anything. Would the German people at this time be considered the Franks? Any suggestions would be helpful. I'm trying hard to get more of my group to join this list. :-) Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:17:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKHP5O015142 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:17:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKHLfq028583; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:17:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKH0TI037505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKGuaI016502; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKGmDm016316 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f556c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.108]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 237FD47FEB2 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:16:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c63335$e3c91fd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <26b.5d5ef46.3125fec2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colors (was colonial) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:16:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:17:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4DDD1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Yes this is true, silver and white brocade. Both in Sweden and Denmark. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colors (was colonial) > > In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:09:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: > > Not period maybe, but with deep purple-blue as accent color I'd go silver > for the "white-ish" color. > > > Actually, it seems to me that I have read descriptions of silver 18th > century wedding dresses, but I can't give you documentation, so I may be > wrong. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:19:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKJKkM015162 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:19:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKJGee005212; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:19:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKIwCU037772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKIuKW018680; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKIkUE018455 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE1F0250; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:18:39 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.141 ([209.131.80.141] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 15:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c63336$71353200$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:20:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:19:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4DE44.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You have said it! I use their edition of Braun and Schneider for lots of picture references so I can leave the 19th C edition on the shelf. Now to plot my course re Fancy Dress coming from foreign climes...if I should get it. Will look further for an affordable copy in the US. Got a book on line last fall and it was going to cost four times the win for the Royal Mail. Alas-alack! (Did find another one sometime later) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing,was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > Whooo, that's got more pictures than mine. Good luck bidding, if you > > decide. I might bid if the price stays like that and nobody else is > > interested, then sell on my less complete copy. However, I don't want > > to enter a war with anybody on list, so p[lease let me know. > > I won't be bidding; I don't really need it, and there are other books I do > need more if I had the money to spend. Keep us posted! > > If ever a book begged for Dover reprint, this is it. The fully illustrated > volumes are lovely. (The book grew, and gained more pictures, as the > years/editions progressed.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:34:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKYNUS015424 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:34:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKYJT3003250; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:34:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKXURR039889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKWLkf031584; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKVPlR030575 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AB26C34BDE for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:31:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:31:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <002101c63301$ac4dc6c0$945083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns for children X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:34:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4E1CB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That seems to be the common thought from the portraits. but I have noticed that there are some differences in construction. In Arnold's book the child's opening is at the shoulder. There was a woodprint that I would estimate to be 3 years old with closing in the back like a keyhole neckline with ties at the point. The example just recently posted by Bjarne. Style & silhouette are similar to the adults but there is probably a different construction to accommodate the child's body shape and convenience of dressing the child. De -----Original Message----- If some of my memory serves me right, doesn't fashion history suggest that children were more or less dressed as minies of their elders , especially during this time period? My children's clothing history does not present separate patterns or expectations until the very end of the 18th C. Since most of the pattern companies that have been issuing period dress also have basic children's versions that at least have been sized for smaller frames, putting the pattern pieces next to H-costume pieces and reshape them for the Historical look. I have even been doing this with doll patterns of late and as you know, the Cut is where the history happens. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose > http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=pp.html&ca > rt_id=71329_959 > > Patterns 51 and 52 (need to scroll down) Sorry, for adults but can give an > idea of what to look for in making you daughters outfit. > I had thought that Margo Anderson was working on some Elizabethan children's > patterns for her next major patterns but I guess I was thinking of another > history pattern company. > Once upon a time I could have sworn that there was a Tudor pattern for girls > that with a bit o' tweaking could be very close to period in construction > but I can't seem to find it. > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:39:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKdNQa015516 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:39:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKdJSm005254; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKcaNF040814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKcL2a038376; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKcCvm038131 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:38:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 757B83457D for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:38:05 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet (columbines) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:38:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060216201423.CRSZ3527.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@mtas.sympatico.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:39:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4E2F7.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I forgot about this shirt with the columbines. The blackwork pattern that I am thinking of is from one of the German model books and is similar to the pattern on the shirt collar. De -----Original Message----- This isn't a pattern, but this is a picture of a shirt discussed in someone elses post, (I don't remember if anyone already posted the picture, sorry if this is redundant) :-) http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/elizabethan/boyshirt1540s.jpg You can clearly see the columbine pattern on the collar, very lovely. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:58:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKwdTH016120 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:58:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKwZM9013278; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKveFJ043813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKvXIf056799; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKvRXx056681 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677A0408AD for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.e1f63 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD9Ocst7WXpgIAAAAB,ec14be8ce5963731017a26c1e8ad1034 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.12] Message-Id: <20060216125716.23A9043B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:58:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4E77B.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I doubt if half the subject showed up, but I wanted to be sure just which civil war (stupid name for a very uncivil action) and which side of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern to start with. I don't need patterns for myself or most women, but have not done enough men's clothing to wing it. Does anyone know of a reasonably accurate pattern? Many thanks, Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 15:59:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKxoE6016159 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:59:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GKxk4f028632; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GKveGF043814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKvWsU056772; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKvOLn056604 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715B340730 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.e96e0 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD9OcrApxO/AIAAAAB,f5fff14df429ed7cc9bcbb37fd9b55e6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.12] Message-Id: <20060216125715.23A90962@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:59:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4E7C2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I doubt if half the subject showed up, but I wanted to be sure just which civil war (stupid name for a very uncivil action) and which side of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern to start with. I don't need patterns for myself or most women, but have not done enough men's clothing to wing it. Does anyone know of a reasonably accurate pattern? Many thanks, Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 16:17:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GLHS5v016567 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:17:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GLHNrq021743; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:17:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GLGrGX046778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GLGZ70075097; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net (eastrmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GLGS1I074875 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060216211627.MTZD4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:16:27 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fiskars scissors/shears- springs replaced Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:16:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060216151147.01d634c0@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYzDcF2HRuC6k8kQEqayrjTNntDcgAMEGFg Message-Id: <20060216211627.MTZD4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:17:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4EBE3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That is great news! I still need to buy the second pair you asked for. I have a coupon good for Saturday. Do you still want them? Anne They sent me two new springs, one of which my DH fitted, and I am go for cutting again. They really need a professional sharpen, (I tried to cut a pin, and for once I can't sharpen them well enough) but they are still better than the big ones I had to use. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/262 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/262 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 16:34:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GLYnAn017453 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:34:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GLYkIC030111; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:34:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GLXxXo050109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GLXgFX091012; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:33:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GLTuej087434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9qhF-0007Ph-Pb; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:29:53 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:29:53 -0600 Message-ID: <20060216152953.925bz1jnsra8gcw4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:29:53 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume References: <20060216201423.CRSZ3527.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@mtas.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060216201423.CRSZ3527.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@mtas.sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=56% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] columbine (was Re: Smock or Partlet (was Tudor roses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4EFF6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca: > This isn't a pattern, but this is a picture of a shirt discussed in > someone elses post, (I don't remember if anyone already posted the > picture, sorry if this is redundant) :-) > > http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/elizabethan/boyshirt1540s.jpg > > You can clearly see the columbine pattern on the collar, very lovely. > WooHoo! Now if I only had an accession number, I'd be in tall cotton! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:04:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GM4CBB019817 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:04:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GM48Z8011148; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:04:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GM2nDf054786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:02:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GM2iDU013952; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GM2GNQ013438 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6382EA1F97 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:02:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43F4F65A.5000101@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:02:02 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern References: <20060216125716.23A9043B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20060216125716.23A9043B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:04:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4F6D8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lalah wrote: > I doubt if half the subject showed up, but I wanted to be sure just which civil war (stupid name for a very uncivil action) Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin civilis, from civis 1 a : of or relating to citizens b : of or relating to the state or its citizenry >and which side of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern to start with. The only decent men's patterns from that period that I know of (the Simplicity ones) are not uniforms. There used to be a costumey uniform pattern, but it was pretty bad. I think what you'd want is a man's sloper, then you could adjust it to whichever picture you're trying to imitate. The problem with CW uniforms, in the south especially, is that a lot of men went to war with whatever clothing their wife sent them with. Each unit seems to have had its own uniform, they could vary wildly, and as shortages got worse, some folks gave up on uniforms altogether. I know that doesn't help much. :) If I was trying it, I'd just get a men's sloper or simple coat pattern and start there. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:07:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GM7k0p020450 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:07:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GM7gTX013120; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:07:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GM7A07055283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GM70pI018027; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GM6saZ017444 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A754031C; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:06:12 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 17:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c63345$7b7a2400$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060216125716.23A9043B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:08:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:07:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4F7AE.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At least for the officer's pattern, any period frock coat pattern will get you started. I think that my latest was from Past Patterns. The carry other Cw patterns (I think) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lalah" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern > I doubt if half the subject showed up, but I wanted to be sure just which civil war (stupid name for a very uncivil action) and which side of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern to start with. I don't need patterns for myself or most women, but have not done enough men's clothing to wing it. Does anyone know of a reasonably accurate pattern? Many thanks, > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. just the net you need > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:09:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GM9P1r020775 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:09:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GM9Mu4008350; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GM90GZ055566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GM8nl0019946; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GLxpPE011227 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1ab.47f7d9a4 (15865) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df943f4f36d25; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:49:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060216125715.23A90962@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060216125715.23A90962@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:49:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:09:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4F812.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1GM9P1r020775 Status: RO Check out http://www.smoke-fire.com/pattern-shop.htm Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Lalah wrote: > I doubt if half the subject showed up, but I wanted to be sure just > which civil war (stupid name for a very uncivil action) and which side > of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of > Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern > to start with. I don't need patterns for myself or most women, but > have not done enough men's clothing to wing it. Does anyone know of a > reasonably accurate pattern? Many thanks, > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. just the net you need > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:10:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMACAZ020913 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:10:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMA9dC014202; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:10:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GM9oka055724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:09:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GM9Zjb020747; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GK9C0w008652 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:09:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ABCA02DC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:08:42 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.141 ([209.131.80.141] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 15:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c63335$0f24efc0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:10:35 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:10:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4F841.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you, Robin. It is quite tempting...even with the expected high postage! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing,was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress > > I wrote: > > > [about "Fancy Dresses Described," by Ardern Holt:] > > > > I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book > > (went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of > > collections. > > Following Suzi's comment, I just found a bunch of them on bookfinder; the > cheapest ($25) is missing its plates, and the most expensive is $500! > > Here's a copy with pictures on ebay, very cheap starting bid: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8384148412 > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:18:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMImme022448 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:18:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMIgxc018149; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GMINU7056871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMIHB9028562; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:18:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMIBkk028334 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A96F031C; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:15:11 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Feb 2006 17:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c63346$bd6b7020$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns for children Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:17:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:18:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4FA42.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would think that would go without saying, as in any age. Especially when fashionable clothing was so involved both to dressing and wearing. I suppose that one reason we have Visual examples at all is that the child would be prepared for the sitting(s) much as children of the 19th/20th C were prepared for photograph sittings. In general, not until candid photography was possible do we get any real vision of what people actually wore in the every day. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns for children > That seems to be the common thought from the portraits. but I have noticed > that there are some differences in construction. In Arnold's book the > child's opening is at the shoulder. There was a woodprint that I would > estimate to be 3 years old with closing in the back like a keyhole neckline > with ties at the point. The example just recently posted by Bjarne. Style & > silhouette are similar to the adults but there is probably a different > construction to accommodate the child's body shape and convenience of > dressing the child. > De > > -----Original Message----- > If some of my memory serves me right, doesn't fashion history suggest that > children were more or less dressed as minies of their elders , especially > during this time period? My children's clothing history does not present > separate patterns or expectations until the very end of the 18th C. > > Since most of the pattern companies that have been issuing period dress also > have basic children's versions that at least have been sized for smaller > frames, putting the pattern pieces next to H-costume pieces and reshape them > for the Historical look. I have even been doing this with doll patterns of > late and as you know, the Cut is where the history happens. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:15 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose > > > > > http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=pp.html&ca > > rt_id=71329_959 > > > > Patterns 51 and 52 (need to scroll down) Sorry, for adults but can give an > > idea of what to look for in making you daughters outfit. > > I had thought that Margo Anderson was working on some Elizabethan > children's > > patterns for her next major patterns but I guess I was thinking of another > > history pattern company. > > Once upon a time I could have sworn that there was a Tudor pattern for > girls > > that with a bit o' tweaking could be very close to period in construction > > but I can't seem to find it. > > De > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:40:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMemsI025821 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMeiwT028772; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GMeEcR060718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMe8WQ052613; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMdxvH052402 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8284A516AC for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:39:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060216142835.0347b778@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:30:51 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking In-Reply-To: <00da01c632b6$31f67570$1a01a8c0@tereckoffice.local> References: <00da01c632b6$31f67570$1a01a8c0@tereckoffice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1GMdxvH052402 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4FF6C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:02 PM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >I generally wear my 14th/15th century garb (both kirtle and gown layers) at >past-my-feet level as you describe, and once you've practiced in it a bit, >it's not as bad as you would think. If I'm walking a long distance or >outdoors, I pick my skirts up, and going up stairs can be slightly tricky, >but if I'm indoors and wearing appropriate shoes (turnshoes) I can just kick >the hems out of my way as I walk. > >YMMV, of course... > >Jennifer / Guenièvre Thank you Jennifer for sharing your experiences. If I may ask, are your hems stiffened in any way, or turned up a few inches? How far past your feet are the hems? I am going to be making myself on of these sets of garments (both kirtle and gown), for an upcoming event in June, and I am trying to understand as much as I can before I begin. Thank you, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:40:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMen4F025826 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMejof002952; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GMeEBB060719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMe9Cs052618; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMdwAc052388 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134FF516AB for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:39:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060216142519.032db358@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:26:39 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060213182007.033e16c0@64.87.54.245> <6.2.1.2.0.20060214233258.03446660@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4FF6E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 03:10 PM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >That is quite a bit longer than I had imagined when I first read your >email. Hope you weren't offended by my first response. I'm thinking that >a gown that long would have to be held up when walking...perhaps the >fashion that's depicted in Jan van Eyck's 'Marriage of Giovanni >Arnolfini', in that painting, the dress is held up in front by her >hand. I know that it's earlier than Tudor, but I've heard that the style >held on for a good amount. > >You've got me thinking now! >Kelly Hi Kelly, No offense was taken. I was wondering about earlier garments, as I know this time frame of the Tudors was considered a transition from medieval garments into later Elizabethans. But I don't know much of medieval garments, except as commented here and there on this list. If you come up with some more thoughts, please share. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:40:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMemNa025822 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMei4W028422; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GMeFeK060720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMe8sB052616; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMdx9E052415 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171B9516B6 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:39:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060216143218.0338f7e0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:33:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking In-Reply-To: <000701c631f2$356165e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060213182007.033e16c0@64.87.54.245> <000701c631f2$356165e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4FF6C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:39 PM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >What I learned was that as castles were very cold and during religious >services, everyone stood (no benches, ladies would actually stand on their >long skirts for comfort and warmth. >Sharon Thank you Sharon. That was an aspect I hadn't thought of, considering I live in a hot locale. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:41:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMf0sH025866 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:41:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMevwn028732; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:41:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GMeEXq060717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMe7T1052586; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMe0jX052434 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB298516C4 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:39:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060216143331.03429df0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:36:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking In-Reply-To: <20060215060501.69871.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000701c631f2$356165e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <20060215060501.69871.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:41:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F4FF79.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:05 PM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >I recently had the experience to spend the day outside in a misting rainy >enviroment in skirts that touched the ground, if not lay upon the ground a >bit. Even though the bottom ten inches or so were wet, my ankles and legs >were not so cold as they were a little later when I found a belt that I >could use to tuck up my skirts and get them off the wet ground. The >longer the skirts are the less draft that can get up your skirts, >therefore you stay warmer. I have also found I walk very differently in >long skirts. One thing is I tend not to walk as fast, so skirts don't get >tangled in my legs. The other is that for short steps up, I do a kind of >kick with the front hem and the skirts don't get caught under my feet as I >step up. > > alex Thank you Alex, What you posted makes me wonder if their kirtles were made of wool, which when wet would get warmer, and with the length so very long, make for warmer legs even when wet. I am going to have to try this... a later event in November is often wet around here, and my legs under the farthingale I wear usually gets colder than my shoulders, which is covered in a partlet. 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet (columbines) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:53:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5026F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > I forgot about this shirt with the columbines. The blackwork pattern that I > am thinking of is from one of the German model books and is similar to the > pattern on the shirt collar. On the Arizona site for Digital Archives for weaving, there's this book/article http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/nb33_lac.pdf Early pattern books for lace and embroidery by Margaret Daniels on page 28, is a columbine pattern. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 17:53:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMrrFb027830 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:53:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GMrnrL004821; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:53:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GMSd4k058398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:53:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GMNTfG033764; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:23:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GKxLC7058737 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pWjVMlH1vqz5MrcP0MtkRgdhHFG6TMIFuGmxtj43LAXPkZORz4XdgrctaHYUiql9; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9qDg-0004lC-93 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:59:20 -0500 Message-ID: <017401c63017$8438bdd0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <069b01c62e9d$0bfe5bc0$0400a8c0@boris> <6.2.3.4.0.20060216114348.01d86210@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:01:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4872d707418a1cdbd14ca8db09de3a1aea3d22eb99cf5c6dcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:53:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5027D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > There are boned bodices in the Museum of London, but manly from the > 1650's. I recently looked at bodices and a beautiful pair of stays from > the 1670's. There are museums in England apart from the V &A and the Mof L > that have boned bodices I am sure. Possibly Bath has one, and maybe Platt > Hall in Manchester, which also has a pair of 17th century stays I believe. > I will post the name of a book listing existing garments in British > museums when I can find it. > > Suzi I should have been more specific; I don't know of any boned bodices or corset in existance before after 1603 but before 1640. I believe the pinked white silk in the V&A is dated 1640. The bodice styles changed drastically about 1620, and changed again around 1640-45, so looking at the later garments doesn't really help much. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 18:13:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNDLAf029448 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:13:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNDIlH011295; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GNCkNq066115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNCicB087074; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:12:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNCZXx086862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9sIM-0001bq-Nw; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:18 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:18 -0600 Message-ID: <20060216171218.zuxgn90kt68skgc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:18 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses References: <021620061935.6465.43F4D41E000B7A1E0000194122092299279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021620061935.6465.43F4D41E000B7A1E0000194122092299279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:13:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5070E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting roscelinlimoges@comcast.net: > I'm really interested in wanting a blackwork pattern of columbines, > also. Actually, I was recently gifted a blackwork book of patterns > and there is this one pattern that looks like a columbine but has no > spurs - they called it a pansy, but definitely does not look like > any pansy I've ever seen. I'd like to see that one. There are a couple of columbines in the dover "Medieval herb, plant, and flower illustrations" CD/book. One of them is mislabeled, however as a flax-weed. > > I didn't see anything at the Dragonbear site, and haven't been to the > EBA site in a very long time so I guess it is about time I take a > look see. There were a couple of things at Kat Robeard's web site (I think I'm remembering the name correctly) -- infotrope.net was the old domain. They're retrievable from the WayBack Machine -- one's from a Schole-House for the needle (which is charted in The New Carolingian Modelbook). These are the same pattern, just different sizes. http://tinyurl.com/amncs http://tinyurl.com/cyrrs Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 18:15:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNFqLq029530 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:15:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNFmh0012253; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GN9Pa9065580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GN942o083496; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:09:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GN8pSW083216 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.6a.6751868d (48576) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:08:44 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.6751868d.31265ffc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:08:44 EST Subject: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:15:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F507A4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO try chas r childs's patterns at county cloth. he does the best acw uniform patterns I know of, (has asst paterns - richmond, columbus etc). he also does some of the best jeans and notions. http://www.crchilds.com/id15.htm Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 18:23:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNNUNk029973 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:23:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNNQC1015411; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:23:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GNM5L2067224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNLxKt096287; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:22:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNLmNx096028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9sRY-0002rt-5W; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:21:48 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:21:48 -0600 Message-ID: <20060216172148.gunisbrfoa4w8og4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:21:48 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses References: <005501c632af$a5c8be60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <005501c632af$a5c8be60$d2bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:23:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5096F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sue Clemenger : > Well, speaking as Sue the flower junkie, and not Susan the flower junkie > , no, not really. I've done collar and cuffs in an interlacing linear > pattern of columbines (from a mid-16th century boy's shirt in the V&A), and A photo of the shirt has been posted -- it looks like from what we can see that the collar consists of a motif, then rotated 180 ... repeating flip-flopped motifs sorta like hyhyhyhy ... is this what's going on? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 18:39:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNd4aS030707 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNd03Y022304; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GNcBPk069570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:38:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNc92H013613; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:38:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNc3ZM013440 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.97]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060216233757.LFHL3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:37:57 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060216172639.030b28d0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:37:50 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200602162223.k1GMNTkl033761@net.indra.com> References: <200602162223.k1GMNTkl033761@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 10th - 11th C. German X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F50D14.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Romanesque period costume is particularly hard to document. In central Europe this is the time of the Ottonians (successors to Charlemagne). There are many textile fragments and a few existing garments from this period. Check Bender-Jorgenson for the textiles, Marc Calson's pages for existing garments, manuscript illumination is pretty good at this time also. North coastal areas would be late Viking (Ribe, etc). Beth At 04:23 PM 2/16/2006, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:45 +0000 >From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net >Subject: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German > > I hope someone can assist me. One of the members of my "household" > wants to take a look at what a 10th to the 11th C. German man would have > worn. I >tried to look through the net - but must not of worded my search correctly >because I could not find anything. > Would the German people at this time be considered the Franks? Any > suggestions would be helpful. > I'm trying hard to get more of my group to join this list. :-) > >Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 18:56:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNuGFS031242 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:56:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1GNuDrj029329; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:56:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1GNto2P071548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNtmhw030909; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav4.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1GNti45030843 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:55:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:55:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:55:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060216125715.23A90962@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:55:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 23:55:44.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[80063E00:01C63354] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:56:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5111D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Of the Smoke and Fire patterns, I would choose stock #RHF-701 for the shirt and #PI-775 for the trousers. While at the Halifax Citadel, who recreates the mid 19thC, we made clothes similar to these patterns. I did make confederate jackets for a couple of the guys to go to Gettysburg the big year. They wore them as 'undress' jackets with basic civi trousers and shirts, they went with the 'Authentic Movement' guys, the movement guys were impressed with their turn out. The pattern I used was from CountryCloth/Chas.R.Childs it was very good, the only thing I did was raise the front neck to a natural curve. I believe that he took a pattern from an existing garment, similar to the ones we had at the Citadel. The undress jackets will scoop out in the neck as they are worn due to the fact of the wool they are made of, without any stabilizing interlining. Hope that helps, if you have any questions, ask...I lived in that time period for several years ;-) Kelly in Nova Scotia Susan wrote: Check out http://www.smoke-fire.com/pattern-shop.htm Lalah wrote: > of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of > Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern to > start with. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 19:08:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H08REU031475 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:08:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H08NMw002181; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:08:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H02roQ072530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:02:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H02p4x037659; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:02:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav2.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H02mtG037539 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:02:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:02:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c631f2$356165e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc><20060215060501.69871.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060216143331.03429df0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 00:02:44.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A9F6120:01C63355] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:08:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F513F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kimiko, have you tried wearing a wool petticoat under your farthingale? I find it helps when I'm out in the cold. But then I'm also the type that wears wool socks all year around, and sleep in flannel sheets all year too...I find they regulate my temp better than if I dressed for fashion;-> Kelly > I am going to have to try this... a later event in November is often wet > around here, and my legs under the farthingale I wear usually gets colder > than my shoulders, which is covered in a partlet. > > Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 19:13:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0DW3E031570 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:13:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0DSNP004012; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H0CvMu073729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0Cp3O046692; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0ClIc046622 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F9tEs1Gmt-0002tr; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:12:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00cc01c63356$c1f08fd0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c63335$0f24efc0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:11:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Bristish Costume Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:13:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F51528.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have this book and been working on getting it on my website for the past two years. Even though some of the costumes are not period correct, they are the costumes that people during this time wore to fancy dressed balls, plays, etc. We have about half of the book's descriptions typed. I can't pull the book at this moment to quote from it. But going on memory, it was written or supported by a large costume house in London. When I am working on the book again, I will pull the credits and provide more information. Kathleen once I have the book online, I will loan it to you. This book on eBay is *one* edition of the book and the costumes are for women and children. There were a few editions. I think the last one was published in 1900. I have been looking for the menwear edition of this book for a few years. I found one dealer who had the men's costume book, but he was in England and the price and shipping was more than I had at the time. The price of this book is high. I have seen it extremely high You can find some tattered editions at antique bookstores online. My copy is in good condition. Queen Victoria was fascinated with historically inspired costume balls and a lot of research went behind the costumes worn to them. I have been working on a few articles about these balls. One reason for the balls was to give a boost to the economy of England in the 1840s & 1850s. There is a really good article about her balls in an 1980s Costume Society of America's journal "Dress." The article goes into more detail about this. Kathleen, your 1868 book, The Corset and the Crinoline, will have three more chapters (5-7) online within a week or so. Watch for the announcements. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 19:15:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0FCuN031596 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:15:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0F9iv019792; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H0Emqf073919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0EkCo048305; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav12.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0EcV2048116 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:14:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:14:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060216092549.23A95348@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:14:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 00:14:33.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[20DF6340:01C63357] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5158D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think that joingin the parts will definitely be done for my duaghter's costume. I think that she will learn to walk like a lady instead of dropping on the ground like she does. If she has a hoop skirt, she will definitely learn not NOT to sit. I found a pattern that is very similar to what she wants. I bought it on eBay. I haven't gotten it yet. Item: 9836 Girls Halloween Renaissance Costumes Patterns 7-14. She wants one similar to the white one. She wants something pink so I've been looking for a good fabric AND Reanaissance period design. ANY suggestions out there in the group? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > Forgive the timelag, I've been neglecting my email for a few days. > > Personally, if I was making a costume for a young child, I'd go with a > separate shift and gown. The shift would be made ( wide seam allowances, > tucks in the shift 'skirt' and sleeves are the two things which spring > immediately to mind ) so that it can be let out when the child grows, > thereby letting you get more than one years use out of it. > > I think, too, that it might be more comfortable than everything joined > together - it would certainly be easier to make. > > My 2cents worth. > > Joannah > > ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ > > --- "Becky" wrote: > > Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being > different parts and still be accuate? With my daughter being so young, I > think that fewer layers would be better for her. She won't be in any > competition of costume so I think we can fudge the costume for comfort and > design. It only has to please us. She'd like it whether it was "period" or > not, as long as it looked like the ones we saw last year. She tried on a > costume that was all one piece, including a collar that stood up behing > the > head. It fit her so well and she wanted it. I ran out of money long before > we got to that vender. I purchased fabrics to make my gown and that wasn't > cheap. My sister bought her a French hood and she wore it all day. When we > found the costume, the vender let her try it on and I got a picture. At > least we got that much. She planned to go back this year and play the > part. > She made friends and she will look them up for sure. > Could be worse. She could be interested in the black hair and chains of > the > goth crowd. I'm not sure I could handle that. Dressing up for Renaissance > Faire, we can share the time and have fun, too. This is my favorite time > for > costumes. > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 19:28:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0SxFI031779 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:28:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0SuBb010032; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:28:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H0Sa0G075647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:28:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0SSgC060289; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51314.mail.yahoo.com (web51314.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.124]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1H0SIFM060098 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:28:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17200 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2006 00:28:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q20+3yx2JxvfztYaij4k0SpNCGs9Tv+zqLd3tB4YMYH7tgUFl74tLPWlnzv+0xIXDEa+EO/wps9orapJgf6pfdcKHudar3QsdxosF6iMTSjZgu7EJFAge+Za638O4U7nfYOf3ZAL80Z3zzGSlkwbTvv+NrScEf5A4hZpzqOnJXE= ; Message-ID: <20060217002813.17198.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.31.85] by web51314.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:28:13 PST Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060215104045.g6kkyuqiii0w4wc0@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F518C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: > I've toyed with trying to transform one of the > english columbines > Elizabethan patterns into the American columbine. > Ours is not as "fat" and the spurs are *much* longer. > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Wildflower/Images/columbine.jpg > > Susan, the (spring) wildflower junkie The Eastern columbine that grows wild in my yard, but is endangered, looks just like the picture in your link. The Western columbine tends towards blue & is shorter by a lot, from what I've seen. And this Columbine would make for a very different Comedia del'Arte troupe costuming. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 19:31:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0VXRF031824 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:31:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0VUDC011298; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:31:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H0Uw0t075956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0Uvxp062502; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0Us3f062450 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so33516wra for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:30:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=N6s4qbs0fgLc3LJ4aQwjfyqCUCVLMY2pzsUXgr82tB3GJKbcFmpDka6yuPHsgsHeqcxHYsSiEk6YBiCM+XpNDLvv5vkTqJcQPUrPCDHu/TBCiLZnwL+vvZTeXV/8LK1je8pBZ0fc+Gw8e6owNufxFoOUhQZN56tWVfDN943dPhc= Received: by 10.65.219.8 with SMTP id w8mr98558qbq; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:30:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:30:54 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1H0Us3f062450 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fancy Dress book on Ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:31:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F51962.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > Whooo, that's got more pictures than mine. Good luck bidding, if you > > decide. I might bid if the price stays like that and nobody else is > > interested, then sell on my less complete copy. However, I don't want > > to enter a war with anybody on list, so p[lease let me know. The current winning bidder is a good friend of mine. I hope to see it if she wins. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 19:43:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0hbUO032043 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:43:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0hY0B015435; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H0gv4A078044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0gqWQ073107; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0go4j073056 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so295080nzd for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:42:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Wm8cxm4ZwJTFCj4TgN6GFl/WMFwE8anxPM71LVPNP3ttZQnYx9flfZFyowuOJHWRHtw7Leev+S6ALM/PlbFeJFqkj2sHP6ZzsBF9pZHIVQAQ7Flh1j9QGDkbjyMzNOF06ltVAVebINJVmYMFxfjVBKBTi1SE+MZv/o52WqmS22I= Received: by 10.64.96.6 with SMTP id t6mr311829qbb; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:42:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:42:49 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1H0go4j073056 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Boned Stuart bodices doublets (was: Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:43:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F51C36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> There are boned bodices in the Museum of London, but manly from the >> 1650's. I recently looked at bodices and a beautiful pair of stays from Melusine> I should have been more specific; I don't know of any boned bodices or corset in existance before after 1603 but before 1640. I believe the pinked white silk in the V&A is dated 1640. The bodice styles changed drastically about 1620, and changed again around 1640-45, so looking at the later garments doesn't really help much. How odd that men's doublets are boned, yet the women's arent. Ref: Naomi Tarrant's Devel of Costume, p.109-110 photos "showing the thick cardboard used to create the straight area between the chest and waist. The front edge is further stiffened by a whalebone." The doublet is 1630s, Natl Museum of Scotland. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 19:48:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0mXmr032133 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:48:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H0mTcX016926; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H0mAVb078895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0m6qG077710; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:48:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H0m2qm077589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9tmz-0002yh-IO; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:48:01 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:48:01 -0600 Message-ID: <20060216184801.nbhhiya7r6wao00s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:48:01 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses References: <20060217002813.17198.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060217002813.17198.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:48:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F51D5D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Ann Catelli : > > > --- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: > >> I've toyed with trying to transform one of the >> english columbines >> Elizabethan patterns into the American columbine. >> Ours is not as "fat" and the spurs are *much* > longer. >> >> > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Wildflower/Images/columbine.jpg >> >> Susan, the (spring) wildflower junkie > > The Eastern columbine that grows wild in my yard, but > is endangered, looks just like the picture in your > link. > > The Western columbine tends towards blue & is shorter > by a lot, from what I've seen. I did some poking around the Flora of North America today, and there are (or were) 14 species of columbine in North America -- white, yellow, and colored like out eastern columbine -- but Aquilegia canadensis, the eastern columbine, is the only one that we have in the east! you can see some pictures here http://snipurl.com/mnd7 This is the plants.usda.gov website. It's a neat place if you're into plants. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 20:13:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1DbDr032493 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:13:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1DYQv025119; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:13:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H1D5w1084476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1D2Tj098654; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1CwLR098571 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F9uB63Oju-0002wr; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c6335f$29edae30$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fancy Dress book on Ebay Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:12:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:13:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5233E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cynthia, The book's images will differ from the year's editions, but only with a few of the images. I can't recall off-hand but certain images are the same in every book. I did a lot of research on this book before purchasing it. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 20:16:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1GJlV032560 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:16:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1GDSV025967; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:16:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H1FovJ084866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1FnKN000945; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1FkGp000849 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter06.comcast.net ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060217011540m1200qopk9e>; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:15:40 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter06.comcast.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:15:38 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:15:38 +0000 Message-Id: <021720060115.27182.43F523BA0002A7D400006A2E22007348309C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:16:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F523DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I could scan it for you and send it to you privately, if you would like. It's nice when I can help someone from here instead of me asking for help all of the time. LOL Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Susan B. Farmer" > I'd like to see that one. There are a couple of columbines in the dover > "Medieval herb, plant, and flower illustrations" CD/book. One of them > is mislabeled, however as a flax-weed. > > > There were a couple of things at Kat Robeard's web site (I think I'm > remembering the name correctly) -- infotrope.net was the old domain. > They're retrievable from the WayBack Machine -- one's from a > Schole-House for the needle (which is charted in The New Carolingian > Modelbook). These are the same pattern, just different sizes. > http://tinyurl.com/amncs > http://tinyurl.com/cyrrs > I'll have to take a look at my New Caroligian Modelbook - I don't recall seeing a columbine there, but it's been awhile since I opened that book. I would like to actually chart out a blackwork design to stitch on a coif for myself, but that won't happen until I get some of my other projects done first. It would make it easier to chart something also if I could find largeer sheets of graphing paper. More than likely I will piece pages of graphing paper together. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 20:40:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1eWTL000550 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1eST6001060; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H1dbPC088995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1dY7k019133; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1dUC6019088 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C61ZjclSalSmK7bIBhXInm2NUnJyKXGPDHdqM35QOGSFt4/3slhLV8wdGNy8lJm9; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9uan-000591-KQ for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: <033b01c6303e$a8a418f0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boned Stuart bodices doublets (was: Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:41:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4832b13fd699ec3cb954fb13727ea1ae411ee4b264fab01f9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5298C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > How odd that men's doublets are boned, yet the women's arent. Ref: > Naomi Tarrant's Devel of Costume, p.109-110 photos "showing the thick > cardboard used to create the straight area between the chest and > waist. The front edge is further stiffened by a whalebone." The > doublet is 1630s, Natl Museum of Scotland. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com Oh, cool, another existant garment I didn't know about. I'll be trying to get a hold of this book next week, but in the mean time is this garment pictured anywhere on the net, or does anyone have a copy that they could scan and send me? thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 20:41:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1f3GN000557 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:41:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H1exYE026965; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:41:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H1earP089127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:40:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1eZCf019938; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H1eX01019909 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:40:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so314354nzp for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qw0ytSedHJxaBwt1DKhAim+Wu1lUIqACnewmqn1sWeOT/b8Fo4Mc3XTW/T6TNJl5XPaUnDJlP1oqLSUnckicw+muJibxpKpI7KTIGOe7btTg9UfJ1+koNa4GekvzxfQZej4KzcA7co4Q2vwthSAgaMBVl9H8GYxyYFWG26xWZg4= Received: by 10.64.88.10 with SMTP id l10mr100623qbb; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:32 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1H1eX01019909 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fancy Dress & the Masquerade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:41:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F529AB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Fancy Dress & the Masquerade "O Jesu -- Coz -- why this fantastick dress? I fear some Frenzy does your Head possess; That thus you sweep along a Turkish Tail, And let that Robe o'er Modesty prevail... Why in this naughty Vestment are you seen? Dress'd up for Love, with such an Air and Mien, As if you wou'd commence Sultana Queen." --J. Arbuthnot _The Ball, Stated in a Dialogue Betwixt a Prude and a Coquet_," 1724 --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 21:09:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H29sZg000984 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:09:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H29p0x011053; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H24QQ3092488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:04:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H24NDn038522; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H24MVD038502 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so37615wra for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:04:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=emWgqXsaqU1xAGhmkv0QqmPUJnF10qp9AtJ2P49nlTKD1/OQJdS3nlenjZv3ANc+QGAfP6bsF/uIyQVtcgNPSOR8N1BhC37Q5XsAvsBsW7WG7Rh97ZtEqJVar7vpw+l3LaEGev6owEUF281k0UDICaV+chhfI/UBXR8grN5yUCo= Received: by 10.64.96.20 with SMTP id t20mr102172qbb; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:04:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:04:17 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1H24MVD038502 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:09:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5306F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I think some of you might have misunderstanded my explanations to this. >I was not reffering to the movie picture costumes, but the cavallier style >fashion for women. With the high waists. >The reason why i want the bumroll to be laced to a bodice is that the dress >waistline is so high over the natural waistline, that it simply couldnt be >tied arround so high, without slipping down emediately. >Bjarne I think I understood just fine. My Stuart gown is suitably high waisted. With my bumme sitting on my hips, the 4" (10cm) diameter bumme raises my waist considerably. There are only 6" betw my waist line and corseted bustline. Perhaps the lovely ladies that you dress are much taller & long-waisted than I. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 21:45:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H2jLNZ001548 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H2jHMs024215; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:45:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H2ioEM096235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H2ierR070244; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:44:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H2iYdv070077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H4QcP7026511 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:26:38 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lightbown's European Medieval Jewellery Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:50:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <004801c63306$f33895b0$6601a8c0@PYC64> In-Reply-To: <004801c63306$f33895b0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602162150.00266.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:45:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F538BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 16 February 2006 9:40 am, Betsy Marshall wrote: > Can they do a re-issue on CD's? much cheaper to make multiple copies I > would imagine; once the scanning and all is done. (OED went that route for > at least one edition.) > Having ILL'd this volume, yes it is huge, and yes it is glorious, but the > pages were almost cardstock weight, and more of us have computers now... > Just my .02 lira; Betsy If it were impossible to do a re-issue any other way, I would be happy to see Lightbown, or any other useful work, on CD-Rom. But the last time I purchased a costume-related work on CD-Rom I was very unhappy. The work, of course, was copy-protected, meaning that I could only read it on my computer, which I find awkward to do for long stretches. I would hate to have to read Lightbown that way. There's my tuppence. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 21:51:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H2ptO9001714 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:51:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H2pnID026924; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H2pYPW096982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:51:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H2pX0E075753; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H2pTWG075686 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:51:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A919F100888; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:46:49 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 musketeers Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:51:27 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c6336d$0c3416f0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1H2pTWG075686 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:51:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F53A45.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In either "the 3 Musketeers" or "The 4 Musketeers", (I forget which one)the ones with Fay Dunaway and Michael York, there is a scene where Faye is undressing. I don't know if the undergarments are authentic or not, but it's a start. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:04 PM To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers >I think some of you might have misunderstanded my explanations to this. >I was not reffering to the movie picture costumes, but the cavallier >style fashion for women. With the high waists. The reason why i want >the bumroll to be laced to a bodice is that the dress waistline is so >high over the natural waistline, that it simply couldnt be tied arround >so high, without slipping down emediately. >Bjarne I think I understood just fine. My Stuart gown is suitably high waisted. With my bumme sitting on my hips, the 4" (10cm) diameter bumme raises my waist considerably. There are only 6" betw my waist line and corseted bustline. Perhaps the lovely ladies that you dress are much taller & long-waisted than I. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 21:54:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H2sdqX001771 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:54:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H2saVa027852; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H2s6Bp097181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H2s6hi077814; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H2s2lM077758 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m176.in-tch.com [216.166.191.176]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1H2jUA15842 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:45:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006101c6336e$674f30a0$b0bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060216201423.CRSZ3527.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@mtas.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:01:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F53AEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Awesome! Thanks, Sheridan! That's the shirt I took my pattern from! ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses > This isn't a pattern, but this is a picture of a shirt discussed in someone elses post, (I don't remember if anyone already posted the picture, sorry if this is redundant) :-) > > http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/elizabethan/boyshirt1540s.jpg > > You can clearly see the columbine pattern on the collar, very lovely. > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:08:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H38CPv001953 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:08:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H388PT001027; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H37j1b098362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:07:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H37h2D089121; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H37d5B089083 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F87F40CF7 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:07:39 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43e02ad1.ee0bb for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:07:39 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD9T37J1x6ewIAAAAB,6a14356f26645acd0eaf92ca149f3b4c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.10] Message-Id: <20060216190739.23A9A0F8@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F53E18.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry about the double posting. I only sent it once - honest. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Lalah wrote: From: Lalah Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern I doubt if half the subject showed up, but I wanted to be sure just which civil war (stupid name for a very uncivil action) and which side of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern to start with. I don't need patterns for myself or most women, but have not done enough men's clothing to wing it. Does anyone know of a reasonably accurate pattern? Many thanks, Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:15:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3FJrw002051 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:15:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3FFZc004053; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H3Eqq0098991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3Ep6K094912; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3EkpB094772 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.209.1288a258 (3310) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:14:36 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <209.1288a258.3126999a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:14:34 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: civil war uniforms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:15:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F53FC3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/16/06 11:56:53 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > The problem with CW uniforms, in the south especially, is that > a lot of men went to war with whatever clothing their wife sent them > with. Sorry, but that's untrue, although it's an incredibly commonly believed myth, and one of my pet hates about re-enactment. During the very, very early part of the war it would have been accurate, but only for a matter of months, until clothing supply and issue was sorted out. And during the latter part of the war, uniforms may have become ragged, but they'd still have been uniforms (I've done quite a lot of research on acw uniforms for work, helped greatly by assorted people with access to the original stuff (and state records) in the states - plus of course, there's Don Troiani's fabulous books). Both the Confederate and Union armies were issued with clothing - true, the pattern and quality varied - true, it wasn't always regulation - true, it may have been badly fitting, due to the fairly common practise of marking up the sizes by suppliers so they could get more money for using less cloth, and true, it was augmented by clothing sent from home, and by a large number of privately purchased garments, (and true, union soldiers used to jump up and down on their hats so they could wear their own), but you only have to look at original photographs to realise that the uniform supply was hugely successful, on both sides, at least until the very later stages of the war. They don't look like a 'raggle-taggle band' - they look like an army. And it wasn't until the later stages of the war that things were really cut off - for example, a number of button manufacturers in the northern states, (at least one of which is still in existence (waterbury)), made buttons for both armies, supplying the Confederacy by shipping them to England, and employing blockade runners. A couple of English companies, (eg Firmans), did the same thing. This is confirmed by the company archives. Apparently, Hainsworths in Leeds also supplied both sides with woollen fabrics in a similar manner (archives again.) Anyway - getting off the soapbox :-), the county cloth patterns are based on originals (I've never used them personally, as they're for private use only, and I cut my own anyway, but I believe they're quite straight forward). Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:21:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3LlQw002136 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:21:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3Ld8H006507; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H3LG3n099830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3LFqj001094; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3LBCB001034 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6055C409E6 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:21:11 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.e6dab for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:21:11 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD9UEnvDtqagIAAAAB,d6779048e2bab3bd09e147025b52047c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.117.14] Message-Id: <20060216192111.23A9D43C@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:21:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F54143.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks to all of you who wrote. I have been making costumes in the medieval and Regency periods for several years, but haven't done any Civil War stuff before this. It should be interesting. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "kelly grant" wrote: From: "kelly grant" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:55:42 -0400 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Confederate Uniform Pattern Of the Smoke and Fire patterns, I would choose stock #RHF-701 for the shirt and #PI-775 for the trousers. While at the Halifax Citadel, who recreates the mid 19thC, we made clothes similar to these patterns. I did make confederate jackets for a couple of the guys to go to Gettysburg the big year. They wore them as 'undress' jackets with basic civi trousers and shirts, they went with the 'Authentic Movement' guys, the movement guys were impressed with their turn out. The pattern I used was from CountryCloth/Chas.R.Childs it was very good, the only thing I did was raise the front neck to a natural curve. I believe that he took a pattern from an existing garment, similar to the ones we had at the Citadel. The undress jackets will scoop out in the neck as they are worn due to the fact of the wool they are made of, without any stabilizing interlining. Hope that helps, if you have any questions, ask...I lived in that time period for several years ;-) Kelly in Nova Scotia Susan wrote: Check out http://www.smoke-fire.com/pattern-shop.htm Lalah wrote: > of the conflict I was researching. I have a multitude of pictures of > Confederate uniforms, but would really love to have a decent pattern to > start with. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:27:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3RX9R002223 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:27:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3RUre008969; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:27:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H3QvdI000722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3QtPc006352; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3QoD8006160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H58suL027635 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:08:54 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:32:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <021620062014.15942.43F4DD350005D49800003E4622007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021620062014.15942.43F4DD350005D49800003E4622007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602162232.16242.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:27:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F542A2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 16 February 2006 3:14 pm, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I hope someone can assist me. One of the members of my "household" > wants to take a look at what a 10th to the 11th C. German man would have > worn. I tried to look through the net - but must not of worded my search > correctly because I could not find anything. Try the page I have given the URL for below. There's a sumptious color picture of a royal dalmatic (i.e., a tunic) in the Kunsthistorische Museum, Vienna from about 1130 C.E. (it's about a third of the way down the page). An ordinary German man would not have worn anything of silk, or with such sumptuous embroidery, but the cut likely would have been similar. There's a black-and-white photo of an earlier German tunic on the same page, but there's a problem with the neckline as it's shown there--you'll see what I mean if you look at it. http://www.virtue.to/articles/extant.html > Would the German people at this time be considered the Franks? No. The Franks had become associated with the area we now call France by then. > Any > suggestions would be helpful. I'm trying hard to get more of my group to > join this list. :-) I highly recommend it! It's one of my favorite lists. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:29:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3Twi8002245 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:29:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3To6N010297; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:29:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H3TcxA000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:29:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3TYgV008593; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:29:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3T347008125 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A0951874 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:28:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060216191010.0365d3a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:13:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking In-Reply-To: References: <000701c631f2$356165e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <20060215060501.69871.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060216143331.03429df0@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:29:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5432E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:02 PM 2/16/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko, have you tried wearing a wool petticoat under your farthingale? I >find it helps when I'm out in the cold. But then I'm also the type that >wears wool socks all year around, and sleep in flannel sheets all year >too...I find they regulate my temp better than if I dressed for fashion;-> > >Kelly Hi Kelly, No, I haven't done so, but with some wool I just found I think I will. You see, usually our faires are broiling hot, 90-115 degrees F. Sometimes, every once in awhile, we get rain or even snow! But that's so rare, that I usually don't have anything prepared for it other than my very old and ratty cape. But now that I am going to be doing a faire I know will be raining more often than not, I will make myself a new wool petticoat to keep my legs warm. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:33:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3X7QC002293 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:33:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3X3tH011804; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H3WlAO001526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3WV75011579; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:32:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3WRHs011504 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([70.18.156.189]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUT00JD0B61ZG12@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:32:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:32:25 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Amadeus To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <001901c63372$c5544380$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F543EF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I hated the movies as well, and felt as if I was alone in that. I hated the costumes and the wigs, and I hated the made up story. Even more so in the fact that so many people dont get that movies about real people do nothave to be true! People do take them as gospel. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Amadeus > > Bjarne: > > I don't remember the costumes from Amadeus very clearly, were they really > that bad? I don't like that movie at all. I got the chance to hear the man > who wrote the play speak once, and it made me so furious! I really don't > mind what sort of messages people want to make in plays or movies, as long > as they make up the stories. But I hate it when they use real people and > change their life stories. > > The story of Amadeus has very little to do with the real Mozart. He did > not > live in terror of his father, he was very fond of him. And of course > Salieri > didn't kill him. > > I know we are all supposed to be sophisticated people who know the > difference between a story and real life. But many, many people who are > sophisticated enough to understand that Salieri didn't really murder > Mozart > still think, because of the movie or play, that his father was a terrible > monster, and that he ended up in a pauper's grave. I think that is a > terrible thing to do to someone's memory. > > Sigh. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:41:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3fFdL002398 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:41:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3fBab014965; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:41:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H3eorK002965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3emI4020133; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3egrc019961 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.f7.62203acb (48552) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:40:33 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:40:33 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:41:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F545D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:51:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: In either "the 3 Musketeers" or "The 4 Musketeers", (I forget which one)the ones with Fay Dunaway and Michael York, there is a scene where Faye is undressing. I don't know if the undergarments are authentic or not, but it's a start. ************************ It's a great scene...with the Duke of Buckingham undressing her. He takes the busk out of its casing and throws it over his shoulder. I think there's another scene with her inserting the busk into the corset somewhere too. I think the corset is a bit whimsical though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 22:50:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3o1L2002503 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:50:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H3nvTU018447; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:50:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H3n9nG004260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3n5FX028056; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H3n1vt027905 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.36.3a49e27 (48552) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:48:53 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <36.3a49e27.3126a1a5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:48:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Amadeus To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:50:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F547E5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:33:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, r.carnegie@verizon.net writes: Even more so in the fact that so many people dont get that movies about real people do nothave to be true! People do take them as gospel. Speaking of....3 Musketeers is about real people too....the King of France and the Duke of Buckingham were real people.... but no one believes Dumas' story is true. Perhaps because the main characters are not real. But also, did anyone believe "The Music Makers?" or "Listomania"? [God bless Ken Russell]? Why would anyone believe "Amadeus?" But you're right, they do! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 23:05:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H45mwS002855 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:05:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H45iSA024923; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H45100006067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H44wBh041508; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H44p1b041438 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:04:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XAp2VhB+EF30hF9d2miDIulY0UKHPrCFTaSMooqWc5K7wxOzoIsXTitoo0G1dngt; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9wrT-0001ly-5T for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <039901c63052$f7b78990$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:07:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4832b13fd699ec3cb9252c03128005bc3b2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:05:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F54B98.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > sharon@collierfam.com writes: > > In either "the 3 Musketeers" or "The 4 Musketeers", (I forget which > one)the > ones with Fay Dunaway and Michael York, there is a scene where Faye is > undressing. I don't know if the undergarments are authentic or not, but > it's > a start. > > (sorry, didn't get the name of the person who answered below) > It's a great scene...with the Duke of Buckingham undressing her. He takes > the busk out of its casing and throws it over his shoulder. I think > there's > another scene with her inserting the busk into the corset somewhere too. I > think > the corset is a bit whimsical though. This corset reminds me of pictures I've seen of an iron corset from somewhere in the Elizabethan (I think) period. I think I remember reading somewhere that it was thought to be an orthopedic device of some sort. Anyway, while the busk is probably correct, and the bum roll most certainly is, I'm not really sure about that corset. I think it would look a bit different. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 23:14:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H4E9CJ002906 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:14:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H4E5qX028334; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H4DfAe006872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H4Dc2H048758; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H4DZAe048688 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:13:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OVY7NL7ANsqdUN18OkdSrwAFclL1bauFPmJE4WY1kzsalLSxx0LZdMSZ4FQU/ntn; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.172] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9wzu-0007Na-8u for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:13:34 -0500 Message-ID: <03a001c63054$2f8d66e0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <36.3a49e27.3126a1a5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Amadeus Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:15:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4832b13fd699ec3cb92dc4eb1a960e564b8483c75118a9a15a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:14:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F54D8D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Speaking of....3 Musketeers is about real people too....the King of France > and the Duke of Buckingham were real people.... but no one believes Dumas' > story is true. Perhaps because the main characters are not real. (snip) Actually, d'Artagnan was a real person, and was a member, eventually captain, of the King's Musketeers. However, the historical Charles de Batz-Castlemore d'Artagnan was born somewhere around 1625 and so most of his exploits were during the reign of Louis XIV, not Louis XIII. Athos, Porthos and Aramis were also historic characters, but there is no record of them ever meeting d'Artagnan, and as a matter of fact I believe that Athos was killed in a duel around the time d'Artagnan was born. I have friends who last year visited the part of Gascony that contains the town of Artagnan. The town museum is full of the information about the historical figure. There was also a rather fanciful biography written in the early 18th cen. that is where Dumas got the idea for his stories, but he most certainly played fast and loose with the time period and other facts. For instance, Cardinal Richelieu, far from being the villian portrayed in Dumas' stories, was arguably one of the greatest statesmen in France's history. Melusine (the Three Musketeers may be why I fell in love with this time period, but my research sure didn't stop there) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 16 23:21:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H4Lklo003018 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:21:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H4LhLf031247; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:21:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H4LKBX007769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H4LITW055249; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:21:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H4LEcd055071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9x7J-0006Ri-MZ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:21:13 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:21:13 -0600 Message-ID: <20060216222113.24qu9kzf3xw8sso4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:21:13 -0600 From: Susan Farmer To: Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:21:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F54F57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey Robin! >From the SCA garb list ... > Can I forward this to the H-Costume list where > Robin Netherton hangs out? She's way interested > in tippets. > Jerusha Sure. Please tell her it was pointed out by John Dillion on the Medieval Religion List. I'm sure she'll recognise his name. Hrothny A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of Sienna. http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4&k1=6&k2=1 ======= It's Italian, but dig those tippets! 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German Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1a5748388726000105787a189b90fe9a11350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.56 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1H4d3k0069607 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:39:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F55387.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 16, 2006, at 12:14 PM, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I hope someone can assist me. One of the members of my > "household" wants to take a look at what a 10th to the 11th C. > German man would have worn. I > tried to look through the net - but must not of worded my search > correctly > because I could not find anything. > Would the German people at this time be considered the Franks? > Any suggestions would be helpful. > I'm trying hard to get more of my group to join this list. :-) There are a few surviving garments form Germany during this era. On the ecclesiastical side, there are fairly extensive sets of grave clothes from St. Ulrich (at Augsburg) and from Pope Clement II (at Bamberg). Surviving secular clothing from 10-11th c. Germany primarily include some of the earliest items associated with the Holy Roman Emperors, including some embroidered bands from a tunic, several half-circular cloaks, and a pair of full length cloth hose. Publications covering some of these garments include: Bayerischen Nationalmuseum. 1955. Sakrale Gewänder des Mittelalters. Ausstellung im Bayerischen Nationalmuseum München. Bernhart, Joseph. 1955. "Bischof Udalrich von Augsburg" in Augusta: 955-1955. Verlag Hermann Rinn. Müller-Christensen, Sigrid. 1953. "Konservierung alter Textilien" in Deutsche Kunst und Denkmalpflege, 1953/1:28-35. Müller-Christensen, Sigrid. 1955. "Die Konservierung der Augsburger Ulrichsgewänder" in Deutsche Kunst und Denkmalpflege, 1955/2:111-116. Müller-Christensen, Sigrid. 1960. Das Grab des Papstes Clemens II. im Dom zu Bamberg. Verlag F. Bruckmann, München. Muthesius, Anna. 1997. Byzantine Silk Weaving AD 400 to AD 1200. Verlag Fassbaender, Vienna. Ritz, J.M. 1955. "Ausstellung Sakraler Gewänder des Mittelalters in München" in Deutsche Kunst und Denkmalpflege, 1955/2:117-120. Schramm, Percy Ernst & Florentine Mutherich. 1962. Denkmale der deutschen Konige und Kaiser. Prestel Verlag, München. "Textilien in Schwaben" in Suevia Sacra. 1973. 51-216, pl. 188-214. Wardwell, Anne E. 1974. "Archaeology and Medieval Textiles" given at Irene Emery Roundtable on Mueseum Textiles. 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German Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:11:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1ab88b503fae4bb8467c7233ee4b332ceb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.56 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:10:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F55AA6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Thursday 16 February 2006 3:14 pm, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > wrote: >> I hope someone can assist me. One of the members of my >> "household" >> wants to take a look at what a 10th to the 11th C. German man >> would have >> worn. I tried to look through the net - but must not of worded >> my search >> correctly because I could not find anything. > > Try the page I have given the URL for below. There's a sumptious > color > picture of a royal dalmatic (i.e., a tunic) in the Kunsthistorische > Museum, > Vienna from about 1130 C.E. (it's about a third of the way down > the page). > An ordinary German man would not have worn anything of silk, or > with such > sumptuous embroidery, but the cut likely would have been similar. > > There's a black-and-white photo of an earlier German tunic on the > same page, > but there's a problem with the neckline as it's shown there--you'll > see what > I mean if you look at it. There isn't so much a "problem" with the neckline as that it's a rather unusually shaped neckline. The particular angle of the photograph is also not very good for seeing what's going on with the neck. Asymmetric "side-opening" necklines are quite common among the surviving garments of this era (what few there are). Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 00:18:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H5IJdV003882 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:18:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H5IG74018393; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:18:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H5HiZ0012934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H5HhFY098695; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H5HdL1098654 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 057223387B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:17:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet (columbines) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:17:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060216154211.r2bqd5s0p36swko4@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:18:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F55C98.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The top one is the on I was thinking about but it was not paired with another columbine pattern like this. The bottom pattern is on the shirt collar, I think. Thank you, De -----Original Message----- Quoting otsisto : > I forgot about this shirt with the columbines. The blackwork pattern that I > am thinking of is from one of the German model books and is similar to the > pattern on the shirt collar. On the Arizona site for Digital Archives for weaving, there's this book/article http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/nb33_lac.pdf Early pattern books for lace and embroidery by Margaret Daniels on page 28, is a columbine pattern. 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Status: RO On Friday 17 February 2006 12:11 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] > There isn't so much a "problem" with the neckline as that it's a > rather unusually shaped neckline. The particular angle of the > photograph is also not very good for seeing what's going on with the > neck. Asymmetric "side-opening" necklines are quite common among the > surviving garments of this era (what few there are). I'm familiar with asymmetric necklines (the color photograph on Cynthia Virtue's page to which I referred the original poster has one, in fact). But the black and white photo in question appears to have an extra band appearing in the middle of what looks like a *symmetrical* neckline. Definitely a bad camera angle, that. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 01:09:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H69F7W004553 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:09:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H69Bao002506; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:09:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H68m3V018326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H68kNi036722; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H68g6Q036656 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:08:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F9ynJ-0007ml-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:08:41 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060216235632.0311d5e8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:08:15 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fancy Dress Described X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:09:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F56887.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, We have two copies of this book, different editions: Fifth edition, 1887, and sixth edition, no date visible. Both seem to have all the plates. The sixth edition has six pages in the back of advertisement from Debenham & Freebody, who would make up any of the dresses in the book for customers/clients. We also have "Gentlemen's Fancy Dress - How to Choose It" also by Ardern Holt, date is 1882. The preface indicates it came out at the time the third edition was in print. It has all its illustrations also, but none of them were done in color. It is much thinner than the women's books. It also contains ads for makers of the outfits, as well as hat and wig makers. Fun stuff!! Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 01:24:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H6OK91004751 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:24:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H6OFd8007776; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:24:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H6IjFk019359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H6IhtD043729; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H6Ia5U043613 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18054 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:49:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:49:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) In-Reply-To: <20060216222113.24qu9kzf3xw8sso4@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:24:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F56C0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Susan Farmer wrote: > Hey Robin! Thanks for thinking of me! > A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni > Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and > sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of > Sienna. > > http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4&k1=6&k2=1 ======= > > It's Italian, but dig those tippets! I'm still reeling from the off-the-shoulder neckline ... The tippets are definitely fun. The Italians did some really bizarre things in art at this time. Note that if this is really Catherine of Siena, the costume is deliberately archaic; Catherine of Siena died in 1380 and was not canonized till 1461. Howver, the "Mystic Marriage" scene shows up in art at least as early as 1340, in depictions of St. Catherine of Alexandria, well-established as a "bride of Christ." I've heard that this attribution of the Mystic Marriage scene was a confusion with Catherine of Siena, but the earlier dates of the art seem to contradict that statement. In fact, every piece of art I know with the "Mystic Marriage" scene is presumed to show Catherine of Alexandria. So I don't know why some references insist that it's "supposed" to be Catherine of Siena. The lady here has a crown, which is one of CofA's attributes, but there's no sword or wheel, so it remains uncertain. However, it looks a lot more like CofA than CofS. CofS is typically shown with a lily, sometimes a heart and/or a book, and/or a crown of thorns, none of which are here. More important, CofS is usually shown in Dominican habit, and CofA in fashionable royal dress, and this is a lot closer to the latter. Anyway, if it's a deliberate archaism, the costume is modeled after earlier artworks (and probably significantly changed in details). However, I wouldn't be surprised if this is 14th c., and St. Catherine of Alexandria, re-attributed to Catherine of Siena. Which means it's just saint's costume and Italian, and could be anywhere on the continuum of real <--> fanciful! I notice the stripes on the red tippets, which could be meant to indicate fur piecing... or could just be stripes, which I've never seen on tippets, but hey, it's Italian. The little bit of flip side we see on the left tippet shows an intriguing combination of white and red, which might mean that these are not separate-material "band-and-streamer" tippets, but sleeve extensions (pendant sleeves) from the white dress, with a red-striped or fur lining. The wide over-the-hand cuffs are quite intriguing, and might be a clue that we're dealing with a late-15th or 16th c. version of archaic dress, with mix-and-match features. But I would have to see other local images of dress to know whether this is a regionalism. I know very very little about Italian variants. They make my head ache. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 02:04:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H745cX005957 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:04:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H7428d020461; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:04:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H73lAh023197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:03:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H73j7s075941; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:03:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H73ecn075878 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZsipwlhVpzHg7pODpdzPXRxvWAiUbMybG6sU+675TfWUyMQkGEGetOalaw4CH7VF; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.46.56] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9zeV-0003k4-Ty for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:03:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200602170029.40766.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <021620062014.15942.43F4DD350005D49800003E4622007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <200602162232.16242.cathy@thyrsus.com> <3B4F4E35-D8FA-4870-83BF-50198527CA6D@earthlink.net> <200602170029.40766.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40C2626C-84ED-43FB-89A5-7110787E8EA4@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:05:24 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1afc6f57ddb3e11b1421abe4eea53ce7f0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.56 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:04:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F57562.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Friday 17 February 2006 12:11 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > [snip] > >> There isn't so much a "problem" with the neckline as that it's a >> rather unusually shaped neckline. The particular angle of the >> photograph is also not very good for seeing what's going on with the >> neck. Asymmetric "side-opening" necklines are quite common among the >> surviving garments of this era (what few there are). > > I'm familiar with asymmetric necklines (the color photograph on > Cynthia > Virtue's page to which I referred the original poster has one, in > fact). But > the black and white photo in question appears to have an extra band > appearing > in the middle of what looks like a *symmetrical* neckline. Yeah, the decorative band has a deep "V" on the (viewer's) left, but then the right side of the "V" merges into a squared-off U on the right. The "U" part is deeper and is the actual opening. One problem in interpreting this garment is that -- if I'm remembering correctly -- the decorative bands are the only original elements and have been re-applied to different bodies over the years. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 02:24:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H7OS9p010420 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:24:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H7OP3C026968; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:24:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H7MiCN024528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H7MfAm090231; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:22:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1H7MbaS090177 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12066 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 07:20:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:20:53 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:24:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1099.67.169.138.79.1140161056.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:24:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:24:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F57A29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Perhaps a very faint hint of color of purple/ blue (periwinkle?) for the > dress material with eggshell white bows and underskirt. > If you have the split, were you thinking of a quilted underskirt or > leaving > it plan? For a split skirt, I would decorate the underskirt or make it a different color. I was thinking of making a quilted underskirt but it may just be a petticoat that I can use later with a pet-en-l'air jacket or something like that. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 03:16:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H8GC5m023117 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:16:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H8G65x013261; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:16:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H8Fmpv028507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H8FhXh030133; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H8FcoS030003 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060217081531.GEQP1862.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:15:31 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.173.64]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060217081531.HDWT14226.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:15:31 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.10/263]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:15:36 +1300 Message-ID: <003101c6339a$54963c70$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:15:36 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:16:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F58646.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4&k1=6&k2=1 > The lady here has a crown, which is one of CofA's attributes, but there's > no sword or wheel, so it remains uncertain. Actually there is a wheel, at her feet (between her and the Madonna) it's that brown object with the spikes;) I think it's depicting the wheel edge on. So It's CoA. > Anyway, if it's a deliberate archaism, the costume is modeled after > earlier artworks (and probably significantly changed in details). However, > I wouldn't be surprised if this is 14th c., and St. Catherine of > Alexandria, re-attributed to Catherine of Siena. Which means it's just > saint's costume and Italian, and could be anywhere on the continuum of > real <--> fanciful! Yup:) The faces remind me a lot of the other 14thC Italian art, but it could also have been altered at some stage? Anyone have any idea what the blue-black zigzag shapes on her sleeve are (the one furthest from us and held up for the ring)? It's a very cool image and fits in with what I have seen of the 14thC Italian stuff. By that I mean: it's weird and all kinds of pretty;) michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 16/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 03:30:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H8UcIF025933 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:30:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H8UYgh018690; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:30:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H8U8jG029974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H8U14i041945; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H8TcOl041672 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A859340A8C; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:24:57 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:29:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c6339c$4963cd70$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <200602170029.40766.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German On Friday 17 February 2006 12:11 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] > There isn't so much a "problem" with the neckline as that it's a > rather unusually shaped neckline. The particular angle of the > photograph is also not very good for seeing what's going on with the > neck. Asymmetric "side-opening" necklines are quite common among the > surviving garments of this era (what few there are). I'm familiar with asymmetric necklines (the color photograph on Cynthia Virtue's page to which I referred the original poster has one, in fact). But the black and white photo in question appears to have an extra band appearing in the middle of what looks like a *symmetrical* neckline. Definitely a bad camera angle, that. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 03:32:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H8WB4D026197 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:32:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1H8W7Q0003757; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1H8V5Di030084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H8V4X2042963; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1H8V21M042918 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8AEAA09DC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:26:22 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:31:01 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c6339c$7c0f9ab0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <1099.67.169.138.79.1140161056.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:32:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F58A07.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Or maybe, the underskirt opposite of the main body of the dress, so if the dress is light with dark flowers, make the underskirt dark with light flowers. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:24 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial > Perhaps a very faint hint of color of purple/ blue (periwinkle?) for > the dress material with eggshell white bows and underskirt. If you > have the split, were you thinking of a quilted underskirt or leaving > it plan? For a split skirt, I would decorate the underskirt or make it a different color. I was thinking of making a quilted underskirt but it may just be a petticoat that I can use later with a pet-en-l'air jacket or something like that. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 07:32:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HCWcCf009918 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:32:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HCWZMS006420; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:32:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HCVvEI098261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 05:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HCVoT8061493; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 05:31:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HCVkju061438 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 05:31:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21030 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:02:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:02:54 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) In-Reply-To: <003101c6339a$54963c70$0401010a@michaela> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:32:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5C263.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, michaela wrote: > http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4&k1=6&k2=1 > > > The lady here has a crown, which is one of CofA's attributes, but there's > > no sword or wheel, so it remains uncertain. > > Actually there is a wheel, at her feet (between her and the Madonna) it's > that brown object with the spikes;) I think it's depicting the wheel edge > on. Oh by golly, that is a wheel. I think my brain said "pillow with fringe" or something and then I stopped looking at it, before I started thinking "where's the wheel?" Now, if it had been ROUND... > Yup:) The faces remind me a lot of the other 14thC Italian art, but it > could also have been altered at some stage? Anyone have any idea what > the blue-black zigzag shapes on her sleeve are (the one furthest from > us and held up for the ring)? The underlayer beneath decaying paint? Seriously, I have no clue. > It's a very cool image and fits in with what I have seen of the 14thC > Italian stuff. By that I mean: it's weird and all kinds of pretty;) That's a really good way of putting it! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 10:01:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HF1cUS012497 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:01:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HF1ZP0017287; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:01:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HEtjFb018486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HEtag1003519; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:55:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HEtUOd003417 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FA71644Ib-0008K0; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:55:30 -0500 Message-ID: <011301c633d2$0e793110$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060216235632.0311d5e8@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fancy Dress Described Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:54:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:01:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5E54F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Debenham & Freebody were fashion designers for the elite of England. I have a few of their fashion plates in our Library. Penny E. 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Status: RO Hi, A friend of mine is looking for a 1850-60 muff pattern. Something like this http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/forever.htm But I've read that this pattern is discontinued. She really likes the draught-stoppers. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 10:27:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HFRMm0012934 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HFRJKc029595; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HFQu6c023642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HFQrwB035299; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HFQkmD035113 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:26:41 -0800 Message-ID: <43F5EB37.9030703@msn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:26:47 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kelly/Estellas projekt References: <001601c630d5$7f43e0c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 15:26:41.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D877300:01C633D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5EB57.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yeah! I am so glad to see someone else doing these types of gowns. In doing "A Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" *http://tinyurl.com/87qbb * we also chose to put the corset front under the farthingale. Now the front of this farthingale is flat. In my research I found some wheels depicted as being rather sharply tillted to the back but more often they were not, which made me wonder if it wasn't the artists way of trying to show what was going on behind in portraiture. Many of the effigies with smaller wheels are pretty flat, which gives a prettty good 3D idea of what they looked like. Ninya Mikhalia on the other hand looks like she places most of her's on the outside. http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/wheelfarthingales.html I didn't care much for Hunisett's wheel construction. I made several up, but chose to go with Ninya's way of doing them. Unfortunaely when doing a flat front the tension isn't great enough to keep the fabric nice and taut, so I chose to cover the cotuil with a little batting and the silk. I look forward to seeing more of your work! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 10:51:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HFpaFW013338 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:51:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HFpWmR008183; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HFjulM027550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HFjrdg056786; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HFjmZS056700 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12406 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 15:44:03 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:44:03 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:47:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1053.67.169.138.79.1140191246.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <000301c6339c$7c0f9ab0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <1099.67.169.138.79.1140161056.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <000301c6339c$7c0f9ab0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:47:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:51:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5F104.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Or maybe, the underskirt opposite of the main body of the dress, so if the > dress is light with dark flowers, make the underskirt dark with light > flowers. > Sharon Wow...I hadn't thought of that and it would probably work really well! Thanks for the idea :~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 11:13:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGD6ch013780 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:13:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGD2FV019195; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HGCVNE033081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGCMrR085941; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGCHM4085781 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1e8.4b77f825 (3940) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.4b77f825.31274fd8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:12:08 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5F60F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/17/2006 10:46:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: the underskirt opposite of the main body of the dress, so if the > dress is light with dark flowers, make the underskirt dark with light > flowers. Along these lines, if you find a brocade you like, you can often use the opposite face of the brocade for a usually rather subtle contrast. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 11:39:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGdPuW014222 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:39:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGdLNY032631; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HGZeqN038086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGZRTV012299; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:35:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGZKtH011454 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB1E0334; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:34:38 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 17 Feb 2006 11:34:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c633e0$4d38d960$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c63335$0f24efc0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <00cc01c63356$c1f08fd0$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Bristish Costume Book Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:36:23 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:39:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5FC39.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Penny, I saw the 'Men's" book yesterday at ABE bookseller. I forget the price but there it was! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Bristish Costume Book > I have this book and been working on getting it on my website for the past > two years. Even though some of the costumes are not period correct, they > are the costumes that people during this time wore to fancy dressed balls, > plays, etc. We have about half of the book's descriptions typed. I can't > pull the book at this moment to quote from it. But going on memory, it was > written or supported by a large costume house in London. When I am working > on the book again, I will pull the credits and provide more information. > Kathleen once I have the book online, I will loan it to you. > > This book on eBay is *one* edition of the book and the costumes are for > women and children. There were a few editions. I think the last one was > published in 1900. I have been looking for the menwear edition of this book > for a few years. I found one dealer who had the men's costume book, but he > was in England and the price and shipping was more than I had at the time. > > The price of this book is high. I have seen it extremely high You can find > some tattered editions at antique bookstores online. My copy is in good > condition. > > Queen Victoria was fascinated with historically inspired costume balls and a > lot of research went behind the costumes worn to them. I have been working > on a few articles about these balls. One reason for the balls was to give a > boost to the economy of England in the 1840s & 1850s. There is a really > good article about her balls in an 1980s Costume Society of America's > journal "Dress." The article goes into more detail about this. > > Kathleen, your 1868 book, The Corset and the Crinoline, will have three more > chapters (5-7) online within a week or so. Watch for the announcements. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 11:40:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGeVV8014245 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:40:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGeSqe029716; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HGe1UF039089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGdqQF017439; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [207.215.93.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGdiTN017158 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (66-81-41-144.nocal.dialup.o1.com [66.81.41.144]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id k1HGdlH06372 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:39:48 -0800 Message-ID: <01a501c633de$ab8c6920$90295142@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:24:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:40:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5FC7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I had thought that Margo Anderson was working on some Elizabethan children's > patterns for her next major patterns but I guess I was thinking of another > history pattern company. No, I'm working on children's (and adult's) Irish patterns, which should be on the market in about another month. I may consider doing English Elizabethan children's patterns if the response to the Irish ones is favorable. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 11:42:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGgFsf014276 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:42:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HGgC54001734; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HGfS17039711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGfQVo019688; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav5.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HGfLXl019455 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:41:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:41:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060217115137.4180F319114@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 1850-60 muff pattern Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:41:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 16:41:13.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7270BE0:01C633E0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:42:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F5FCE4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My mom made one for me when I was younger. She had me to cross my arms, with wrists lined up. She measured elbow to elbow. She cut a rectangle of material that length. She lined it with velvet and batting. The lining was 1.73 times the length of the outter material. She sewed the outside material in 2 sections with a 3 inch opening on the long side ( ______ ______). She stitched the whole lenght of the lining on long side. She attached the linng to the ends, sewed it and turned the whole thing. She stitched the lining to the open hole in the ootter material so it did not pull out when hands were removed. Last, the opening was stitched closed. She attached a satin ribbon for the neck strap. I loved it and had it until it fell apart. I hope you can follow what I said. I'm a visual person and pictures help to see it better. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 1850-60 muff pattern > Hi, > > A friend of mine is looking for a 1850-60 muff pattern. > Something like this > http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/forever.htm > But I've read that this pattern is discontinued. > She really likes the draught-stoppers. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 12:44:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HHieqq015563 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:44:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HHiamP032483; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:44:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HHd0rV052399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HHcv8j080120; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HHK0ea061704 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99467 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2006 17:19:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tCSFajgUhWYM9U5RYwJbDZn+xT/Ra5blzqE0Pg0x4d9aBMwSaj1J6HNarhC3vAW8ldtLKq9TYdgLM6pFDaEbetCDhj2YWh37wyuOm7FKjP2BQKeMCGInbkSuQ4rF0d7RxyWIay+p1diBFJ/JXVZL7c5HqM3s7EjhVGjiRCdQVOU= ; Message-ID: <20060217171954.99465.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:19:54 PST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602162356.k1GNtpvm030957@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:44:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F60B84.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And in Virginia and even sometime in the Carolinas I have heard it referred to as "The Late Unpleasantness" even though it got NASTY in the Carolinas. Read Cold mountain, although a novel, much of that was taken from true occurances. And don't fall into the trap of " they were so poor...Undersupplied... whatever". I've heard a story that the state of Georgia ended the was with so much surplus uniforms, they were still giving it out to German Prisoners of war in the 1940s as well as clothing the prisoners in the state pen. True? But I hope I'm not repeating urban ledgends But again, it all depends. For just a costume, anything can go. There are a lot of pictures on line and reenactor units that post their reqirements for uniforms. A few minutes surfing reenactors or units-Civil War-American might give you a good idea of how to go. Some of the more authentic, who know way more than I do turn out some georgeous uniforms, and units look uniform, athough not all exactly alike. 18c Mia, who still likes the American Civil War --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 12:44:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HHigsQ015564 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:44:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HHidrR011053; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:44:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HHiCg0053380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:44:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HHhpdZ085356; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HHhb23084945 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5216CA1F97 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:43:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43F60B48.4060000@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:43:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: civil war uniforms References: <209.1288a258.3126999a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <209.1288a258.3126999a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:44:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F60B87.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/16/06 11:56:53 PM GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > >>The problem with CW uniforms, in the south especially, is that >>a lot of men went to war with whatever clothing their wife sent them >>with. > > > Sorry, but that's untrue, although it's an incredibly commonly believed myth, > and one of my pet hates about re-enactment. Ah, thanks. My source seems to be very out of date, then. I'd read that many uniforms were made at home to army specs, which accounted for a certain amount of variance in cut and appearance among the troops. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 13:36:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HIajkM016501 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:36:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HIafcv024848; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:36:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HIZCbm060651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HIYJXj031453; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:34:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HIY4L2031116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:34:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAAQZ-00039K-CH; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:33:59 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:33:59 -0600 Message-ID: <20060217123359.mcwp7q73vmas0cw4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:33:59 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Please forgive my cross-post (but do feel free to forward as you see fit) Hi folks. I don't know if any of you outside Meridies know about the old SCA_Fabric-Finders list (or how many of you need Yet Another Yahoo List ...). It's been taken over by spammers, so we decided to start a new list -- and make it SCA-wide since so many of us buy fabric online The group is SCA_Fabric-n-Notions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA_Fabric-n-Notions and it's for finding and *buying* fabric -- whatever the source. Whether it's something from your own personal stash, your business, or your favorite brick-and-morter store or e-store -- this is the place to be! It *is* moderated (funny, that), so if I don't recognize your name, and you don't provide enough information in your "why I want to join your group" I"ll email you and ask! (and probably beg forgiveness if I don't recognize your name!) I mention the SCA because that's where I play; but I know that others of you don't -- please don't let that stop you. Searching for historically accurate fibers is something that we all have to deal with. C'mon over and play. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 13:59:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HIxrDW016847 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HIxncm002259; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HIx5EM064818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HIwsvs055067; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HIwnUj054869 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1e9.4c427284 (16335) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:58:37 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.4c427284.312776dd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:58:37 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: civil war uniforms To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F61D25.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:45:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: My source seems to be very out of date, then. I'd read that many uniforms were made at home to army specs, which accounted for a certain amount of variance in cut and appearance among the troops. *************** This is true.....just not as true as they'd like for you to think. It's not the rule. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:02:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJ2RBN016882 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:02:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJ2NTS004016; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJ1uAR065367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJ1rCc058125; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:01:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJ1lVs057924 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.75.55702d47 (16335) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <75.55702d47.3127778f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:02:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F61DBF.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:45:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: And don't fall into the trap of " they were so poor...Undersupplied... whatever". I've heard a story that the state of Georgia ended the was with so much surplus uniforms, they were still giving it out to German Prisoners of war in the 1940s as well as clothing the prisoners in the state pen. True? But I hope I'm not repeating urban ledgends ******************** I find this hard to believe since by the early 1900s, Civil War stuff was already treasured....especially in the South. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:14:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJEa34017157 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:14:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJEVF8009874; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:14:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJECBZ067766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJE1pE071509; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJBLnR067984 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24776.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.118]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0582C47FE2A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:11:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002701c633f5$f0da99e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:11:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F62097.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Cynthia, No no, sorry i take my words back. I really have misunderstanded this. I didnt realise that you could wear a bumroll without to tye it to the bodice, sorry........... As said i only made one dress of this period many years ago, it was for a danser and she had no bumroll for this dress. But i would make a small bumroll if i made one today............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:04 AM Subject: re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers > >I think some of you might have misunderstanded my explanations to this. >>I was not reffering to the movie picture costumes, but the cavallier style >>fashion for women. With the high waists. >>The reason why i want the bumroll to be laced to a bodice is that the >>dress >>waistline is so high over the natural waistline, that it simply couldnt be >>tied arround so high, without slipping down emediately. > >>Bjarne > > I think I understood just fine. My Stuart gown is suitably high > waisted. With my bumme sitting on my hips, the 4" (10cm) diameter > bumme raises my waist considerably. There are only 6" betw my waist > line and corseted bustline. Perhaps the lovely ladies that you dress > are much taller & long-waisted than I. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:28:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJS6Zc017362 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:28:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJS3VZ016395; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:28:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJRDcE069708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJR9eL084304; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJR3ta084141 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.21e.844eada (16781) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:26:55 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <21e.844eada.31277d7e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:26:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F623C3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Joannah@sluggy.net writes: Is it just me, or does anyone else think that someone had a go at remodeling it to suit a much later fashion? That would certainly not be uncommon. It is extremely difficult to find an 18th century gown that hasn't been re-modeled, as the fabric was so expensive! In fact, a curator friend of mine says that an 18th century gown in its original condition would be the Holy Grail of costume finds. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:35:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJZfTF017472 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:35:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJZc2w019972; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:35:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJZGfs071164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:35:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJZ8Jj092078; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav15.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJYtX4091768 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:33:48 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.59.130.65 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:33:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.59.130.65] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <209.1288a258.3126999a@aol.com> <43F60B48.4060000@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: civil war uniforms Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:33:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:33:41 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 19:33:48.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[131F27C0:01C633F9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:35:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F6258A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1HJZfTF017472 Status: RO Ah, thanks. My source seems to be very out of date, then. I'd read that many uniforms were made at home to army specs, which accounted for a certain amount of variance in cut and appearance among the troops. Yes, and no, Dawn. The uniform parts were cut out in the Depot by a tailor (much as they were in some of the northern arsenals, though the north saw more actual contract work), then the "piecework" was bundled up and frequently sent to seamstresses in the surrounding country side to assemble. You could get quite a variation of sewing ability, but the basic cut did not vary due to being done by the tailor. Hope this helps-- LuAnn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:37:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJb33C017496 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:37:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJb0JR022045; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJaPtf071318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJaOaY093258; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJaKEv093159 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24776.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.118]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C1AC3262858 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:36:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009a01c633f9$70fb52b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060217093509.23A84E9E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:36:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:37:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F625DC.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Joannah, There is in fact a sack backed english weddinggown with polonaise lift ups in the back. Se Norah Waughs the cut of Womens Clothes. White satin............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial > >--- "Diana Habra" wrote: >> >>> Ooo...look what I found. >>> http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm >>> De >> >>I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the >>clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever >>get to study garments like these in person. >> >>Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which >>will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can >>about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big > help. >> >>Diana > > I agree, it's a truly lovely gown. The silk is to die for. > > Is it just me, or does anyone else think that someone had a go at > remodeling it to suit a much later fashion? > > It certainly isn't helped by being mounted on a stand which isn't tall > enough, but it seems to me that the petticoat is the wrong shape - it's > too narrow - and something about the top ruffle doesn't look right to me. > Wouldn't they have repeated the lace embellishment that is above the > bottom ruffle? the info with the pictures says that the brocade doesn't > extend all the way to the back - could some of the silk have been cut > away, to make the petticoat less full and change the silhouette, and then > used to make the top ruffle? > > The polonaising also doesn't seem right to me. A polonaise on an English > robe, yes, but on a sack? I've been looking through what books I can lay > my hands on, and I haven't yet seen a sack-backed gown that is polonaised. > The polonaise also isn't deep enough. > > The lapels on the bodice and the front of the bodice are also don't look > right. The bottom of the lapels don't seem to be finished properly. They > don't have anywhere to go or to fit. Have they been unpicked from the > front of the skirt, which was then moved back, making the split down the > front wider? > > These are some pictures of the styles that this dress in its current state > remind me of: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837015/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837016/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837017/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837019/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837018/in/photostream/ > > Of course, I may be completely wrong about all this. :-) ( I *really* > would LOVE to be able to examine this garment close up! ) > > Any other comments? > > Joannah > > ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:37:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJb6rx017497 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:37:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJb2fr006449; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:37:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJZTKM071209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJZSp3092461; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.89] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJZN2x092370 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:35:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.59.130.65 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:35:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.59.130.65] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <75.55702d47.3127778f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:35:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:35:16 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 19:35:23.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B608D90:01C633F9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:37:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F625DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1HJb6rx017497 Status: RO Actually, there's some anecdotal evidence that original CW confederate uniforms were given out to POWs, but during WWI, not WWII. Nobody has been able to prove it conclusively, though, to the best of my knowledge. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:45:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: And don't fall into the trap of " they were so poor...Undersupplied... whatever". I've heard a story that the state of Georgia ended the was with so much surplus uniforms, they were still giving it out to German Prisoners of war in the 1940s as well as clothing the prisoners in the state pen. True? But I hope I'm not repeating urban ledgends ******************** I find this hard to believe since by the early 1900s, Civil War stuff was already treasured....especially in the South. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:41:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJfd5o017582 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:41:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJfaeg022761; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:41:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJfHRV072472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJetX1098375; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HJe8vW097397 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86928 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 19:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 19:40:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060217193532.01d70cc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:37:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fancy Dress Described In-Reply-To: <011301c633d2$0e793110$6400a8c0@Penny> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060216235632.0311d5e8@pop.radiks.net> <011301c633d2$0e793110$6400a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:41:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F626F0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:54 17/02/2006, you wrote: >Debenham & Freebody were fashion designers for the elite of >England. I have a few of their fashion plates in our Library. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com >Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com >Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com The store called Debenham's has just recently closed in Regent Street. I rather think that it was the last remnants of what was a great store. It had an expensive redesign a few years ago, but never quite got back to the glory days of the Victorian and Edwardian shops. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:48:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJmREo017765 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:48:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJmOgA025945; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJWigt070679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HHZSRv076551; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HHZ9XA076319 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8584A18768 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:35:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.f6d8a for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:35:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D9glNGDs1YQIAAAAB,268f8b755c192e394a4f4b81c848d5b2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:35:09 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060217093509.23A84E9E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:48:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F62888.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >--- "Diana Habra" wrote: > >> Ooo...look what I found. >> http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm >> De > >I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the >clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever >get to study garments like these in person. > >Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which >will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can >about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big help. > >Diana I agree, it's a truly lovely gown. The silk is to die for. Is it just me, or does anyone else think that someone had a go at remodeling it to suit a much later fashion? It certainly isn't helped by being mounted on a stand which isn't tall enough, but it seems to me that the petticoat is the wrong shape - it's too narrow - and something about the top ruffle doesn't look right to me. Wouldn't they have repeated the lace embellishment that is above the bottom ruffle? the info with the pictures says that the brocade doesn't extend all the way to the back - could some of the silk have been cut away, to make the petticoat less full and change the silhouette, and then used to make the top ruffle? The polonaising also doesn't seem right to me. A polonaise on an English robe, yes, but on a sack? I've been looking through what books I can lay my hands on, and I haven't yet seen a sack-backed gown that is polonaised. The polonaise also isn't deep enough. The lapels on the bodice and the front of the bodice are also don't look right. The bottom of the lapels don't seem to be finished properly. They don't have anywhere to go or to fit. Have they been unpicked from the front of the skirt, which was then moved back, making the split down the front wider? These are some pictures of the styles that this dress in its current state remind me of: http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837015/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837016/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837017/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837019/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837018/in/photostream/ Of course, I may be completely wrong about all this. :-) ( I *really* would LOVE to be able to examine this garment close up! ) Any other comments? Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:48:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJmR8u017766 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:48:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJmOOG029306; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJWigv070679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HJ9kG5066339; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HJ9JE0065824 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 65537 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 19:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 19:09:10 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060217190048.01d6a680@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:07:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial In-Reply-To: <20060217093509.23A84E9E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060217093509.23A84E9E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:48:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F62888.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 17:35 17/02/2006, you wrote: > >--- "Diana Habra" wrote: > > > >> Ooo...look what I found. > >> http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm > >> De > > > >I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the > >clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever > >get to study garments like these in person. > > > >Thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to design my wedding gown which > >will roughly be from this period and I am trying to find out all I can > >about construction techniques. This new colonial dress will be a big >help. > > > >Diana > >I agree, it's a truly lovely gown. The silk is to die for. > >Is it just me, or does anyone else think that someone had a go at >remodeling it to suit a much later fashion? > >It certainly isn't helped by being mounted on a stand which isn't >tall enough, but it seems to me that the petticoat is the wrong >shape - it's too narrow - and something about the top ruffle doesn't >look right to me. Wouldn't they have repeated the lace embellishment >that is above the bottom ruffle? the info with the pictures says >that the brocade doesn't extend all the way to the back - could some >of the silk have been cut away, to make the petticoat less full and >change the silhouette, and then used to make the top ruffle? > >The polonaising also doesn't seem right to me. A polonaise on an >English robe, yes, but on a sack? I've been looking through what >books I can lay my hands on, and I haven't yet seen a sack-backed >gown that is polonaised. The polonaise also isn't deep enough. Regarding the polonaising only - not had time to check out the other stuff - there are at least two polonaised sacks in collections that I have seen, one in Bath, and one in the Museum of London. Also I am sure there are many sketches/fashion plates showing this, usually in the 1770's. I think the French artist Moreau le Jeune shows this, but they may be retroussee dans les poches, which gives a similar look. >The lapels on the bodice and the front of the bodice are also don't >look right. The bottom of the lapels don't seem to be finished >properly. They don't have anywhere to go or to fit. They often don't, according to "Costume in Detail" by Nancy Bradfield, unless I have "read" the pictures wrongly. They frequently just stop, in mid air as it were. >Have they been unpicked from the front of the skirt, which was then >moved back, making the split down the front wider? > >These are some pictures of the styles that this dress in its current >state remind me of: > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837015/ > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837016/ > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837017/ > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837019/ > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/100837018/in/photostream/ > >Of course, I may be completely wrong about all this. :-) ( I >*really* would LOVE to be able to examine this garment close up! ) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 14:49:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJnTTC017789 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:49:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HJnQIQ009402; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:49:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HJWigp070679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HI0KsI000259; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HHxQQQ098296 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AECD02BC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:58:37 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 17 Feb 2006 12:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: <00af01c633ec$06fbc6e0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060217115137.4180F319114@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 1850-60 muff pattern Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:00:20 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F628C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have some muffs from this period and they are made thus: Make 2 tubes of muslin cut about 13/14" x21", one should be about 2" less than the other.Stitch one end together and make a 3/4" chenille for elastic, and fill with feathers (or you may opt for heavy poly quilt filler)Stitch the open end; make a chenille as in the other end . (you may wish to sew satin facings of about 6" oh each end of the inner bag as the lining might show. Cut and thread 2 pieces of elastic about 10" in the ends Make a second (well, third) tube of fur, chenille, or other fabric of your choice about 1" less than the tube already assembled, and cover the inner piece. Add a handle on one end, of silk braid or rope. Embellish with tassels to taste. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 1850-60 muff pattern > Hi, > > A friend of mine is looking for a 1850-60 muff pattern. > Something like this > http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/forever.htm > But I've read that this pattern is discontinued. > She really likes the draught-stoppers. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 15:19:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HKJoHb018326 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:19:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HKJlhU007380; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HKIYMG079402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HKIRtw034650; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:18:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HKIMGD034552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:18:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k1HJ7cQe004841 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:07:41 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.58 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:07:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63155.64.156.242.58.1140203261.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <1099.67.169.138.79.1140161056.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> References: <1094.67.188.164.116.1140018937.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <1099.67.169.138.79.1140161056.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:07:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] colonial From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:19:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F62FE3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Diana said, > For a split skirt, I would decorate the underskirt or make it a different > color. I was thinking of making a quilted underskirt but it may just be a > petticoat that I can use later with a pet-en-l'air jacket or something > like that. It depends on how close to actual 18th century you want to make it, and then what social class, time of day, etc. More formal open-front gowns have a petticoat of the same fabric, possibly decorated with self-fabric ruching and flounces (same as the gown). A petticoat of a different fabric is more of an undress look - your serviceable wool gown is not as likely to have the same fabric for the petticoat. Quilted petticoats are lovely, or you can use a Marseilles cloth (a double weave) which was also done in the 18th century. It's also not a formal or evening type of look. Generally a lady would decorate the stomacher or neckline of the gown to draw the eye up, rather than use a different color petticoat which might draw the eye away from the face and neckline. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 15:26:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HKQgmi018416 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:26:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HKQcMA010480; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HKQOkE080353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HKQFaE041858; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HKPsp6041536 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15674 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2006 20:25:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Mz3uQ+4jyWQSVA4gFeEA8rq2qRcPuIu2CV2vSG9/0G/EMgeyNexMEBVqfXz4T2mJ108BcxetH5Cog0kMVP7vrHdr6FWOxe9OCqmhNwuGJzuwyu4iQ/5TWigOVQgI/5gtLmj5XomVDduAXzY+oO08plA8EV1ORqQqK+BOHvIRyRI= ; Message-ID: <20060217202549.15672.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:25:49 PST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: c X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:26:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F6317E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: civil war uniforms To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <1e9.4c427284.312776dd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:45:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: My source seems to be very out of date, then. I'd read that many uniforms were made at home to army specs, which accounted for a certain amount of variance in cut and appearance among the troops. *************** This is true.....just not as true as they'd like for you to think. It's not the rule. ***************************************** And think in terms of the early days of outsourcing, factories putting out piecework to women in a cottage industry, making uniforms to the specs provided by the gov. At least in the North. And there were factories too. But not necessarily for their family members in most cases. To my mind more like lace makers or Ayreshire white work. (again I'm at work, and if citations/examples or spelling are wrong, forgive and correct. I'm not being specific, just blathering.) And the varience would be [------] as opposed to [--------------------------------] In the Rev war uniforms were all hand made, but they were very uniform. 18c Mia in Charlotte, hoping for one winter storm, maybe this weekend. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 15:40:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HKegDK018878 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:40:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HKedLV017008; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:40:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HKe01H082406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:40:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HKdtSh055253; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HIliCB043997 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FAAdf1GJ3-0008Qt; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:47:32 -0500 Message-ID: <017a01c633f2$78368920$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c63335$0f24efc0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras><00cc01c63356$c1f08fd0$6400a8c0@Penny> <003901c633e0$4d38d960$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Bristish Costume Book Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:46:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:40:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F634C7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Kathleen. I just ordered it. There is one more copy on abebooks, but for a higher price at $134. It is also in England. The one I got was in a U.S. store, so I can get it quicker and less shipping costs. You made my day. The dealer I purchased the book from is http://www.goodridgebooks.com/ . The salesperson says they have a large fashion & costume section. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 16:12:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HLCbwo019418 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:12:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HLCX3R031007; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:12:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HLBpxS088136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HLBlAA087656; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:11:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HLBhSU087574 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:11:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 562BC34BFB for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:11:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:11:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01a501c633de$ab8c6920$90295142@dnyeaqvf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F63C42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kool! De -----Original Message----- > I had thought that Margo Anderson was working on some Elizabethan children's > patterns for her next major patterns but I guess I was thinking of another > history pattern company. No, I'm working on children's (and adult's) Irish patterns, which should be on the market in about another month. I may consider doing English Elizabethan children's patterns if the response to the Irish ones is favorable. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 17:20:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMKMhH020638 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:20:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMKJ5B028692; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HMIssT096946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMIkJ1055590; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMIUGk055061 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA4D0324; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:12:29 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 17 Feb 2006 17:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c6340f$7c422020$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c63335$0f24efc0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras><00cc01c63356$c1f08fd0$6400a8c0@Penny><003901c633e0$4d38d960$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> <017a01c633f2$78368920$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Bristish Costume Book Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:14:07 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F64C23.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Looking forward to seeing this in print or on line! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Bristish Costume Book > Thanks Kathleen. I just ordered it. There is one more copy on abebooks, > but for a higher price at $134. It is also in England. The one I got was > in a U.S. store, so I can get it quicker and less shipping costs. You made > my day. > > The dealer I purchased the book from is http://www.goodridgebooks.com/ . > The salesperson says they have a large fashion & costume section. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 17:25:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMPTls020726 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:25:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMPQil031083; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HMOlsF098345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMOesw063023; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMOTxa062786 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:24:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:24:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <01a501c633de$ab8c6920$90295142@dnyeaqvf> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:24:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 22:24:16.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3A3ED10:01C63410] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:25:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F64D56.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Margo, would you send me a signed book plate to go in the books I have? I bought both of the Patterns of Fashion books. If I had you email, I'd send this personally. I'm still pondering on my design before I put scissors to the fabric. Eventually, I'll have to do that first cut. Then I know I will get it done. I've chosen a design of Elenora de Toledo dress. I like the Valois portrait but one at a time. I can always make the next one like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose > >> I had thought that Margo Anderson was working on some Elizabethan > children's >> patterns for her next major patterns but I guess I was thinking of >> another >> history pattern company. > > No, I'm working on children's (and adult's) Irish patterns, which should > be > on the market in about another month. I may consider doing English > Elizabethan children's patterns if the response to the Irish ones is > favorable. > > Margo > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 17:35:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMZ6DA020884 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:35:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMZ3mN002476; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HMYedS000220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMYYYf073895; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMYLNU073653 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24715.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.21]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8344E47FE46 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:34:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002101c63412$4b37ed90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> <8C80223ED061DEB-16D4-11A7@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:34:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:35:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F64F97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, The baroque chemises would have angle lenght sleaves, pleated or gathered to a small cuff, and also a frill at the end of the cuff. The neckline is wide, follows the cut of the dress. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise > Hi all -- > > This is for my pirate costume again. What did chemises look like in the > 1690s? Were they any different from the Elizabethan ones? > > Thanks! > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 17:36:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMaIBU020920 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMaFtg006203; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HMWweg099812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HLtTNv031583; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HLtKOE031245 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.6b.5581e816 (15702) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d10 (mblk-d10.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.2]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID53-3d5643f6463125a; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:54:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:54:56 -0500 Message-Id: <8C80223ED061DEB-16D4-11A7@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.2) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:54:56 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.2 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F64FDF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all -- This is for my pirate costume again. What did chemises look like in the 1690s? Were they any different from the Elizabethan ones? Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 17:36:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMaQRq020928 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:36:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMaMYA011753; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:36:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HMWwei099812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMFRPE052006; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HMExfu051349 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92052 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2006 22:14:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Fi73DJbqGLcSr7IGwgfHCFk6Jz1hTKB1E+lwm4iQQZHPwpJGZ5+ZNRh+U7em4qcMZ8rQuddkw5p4QgXWXtX9eTJj7TqfSid54ZudVFhkViiULDxmoNSQWSQ+wLZT4Abd6Sycf/A72GEmczpk5nKLc2yZPkB1ludKa6sB3LsxgsU= ; Message-ID: <20060217221446.92050.qmail@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:14:46 PST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Amadeus To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <03a001c63054$2f8d66e0$0400a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:36:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F64FE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yeah, surely the characters really existed - last summer I've been to a town called Oloron St.Marie, where Porthos was born. But the story has, of course, nothing to do with truth. Carmen Beaudry wrote: > Speaking of....3 Musketeers is about real people too....the King of France > and the Duke of Buckingham were real people.... but no one believes Dumas' > story is true. Perhaps because the main characters are not real. (snip) Actually, d'Artagnan was a real person, and was a member, eventually captain, of the King's Musketeers. However, the historical Charles de Batz-Castlemore d'Artagnan was born somewhere around 1625 and so most of his exploits were during the reign of Louis XIV, not Louis XIII. Athos, Porthos and Aramis were also historic characters, but there is no record of them ever meeting d'Artagnan, and as a matter of fact I believe that Athos was killed in a duel around the time d'Artagnan was born. I have friends who last year visited the part of Gascony that contains the town of Artagnan. The town museum is full of the information about the historical figure. There was also a rather fanciful biography written in the early 18th cen. that is where Dumas got the idea for his stories, but he most certainly played fast and loose with the time period and other facts. For instance, Cardinal Richelieu, far from being the villian portrayed in Dumas' stories, was arguably one of the greatest statesmen in France's history. Melusine (the Three Musketeers may be why I fell in love with this time period, but my research sure didn't stop there) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 17:40:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMe9Dl020995 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:40:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HMe6bL004474; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:40:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HMdjAH001179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMddfN079292; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HMdZYt079104 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.d2.38301656 (15865) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d10 (mblk-d10.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.2]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df943f65097265; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:39:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:39:18 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8022A1F9D9FC1-16D4-14B4@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.2) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:39:18 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.2 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Byzantine Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:40:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F650C6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Has anyone heard about this Byzantine Dress book, or its author, Jennifer Ball? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1403967008/103-0624918-7671817?v=glance&n=283155 It seems to have just been published. I sure wish I could afford it, although it's slightly later than my precise period of interest. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 18:11:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNAwOi021509 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:10:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNAt1R017263; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:10:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HNA8Fc007013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HNA42w012846; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HN9weF012731 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26442 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:41:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:41:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] SCA_Fabric-n-Notions In-Reply-To: <20060217123359.mcwp7q73vmas0cw4@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:10:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F657FF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Hi folks. I don't know if any of you outside Meridies know about the > old SCA_Fabric-Finders list (or how many of you need Yet Another Yahoo > List ...). It's been taken over by spammers, so we decided to start a > new list -- and make it SCA-wide since so many of us buy fabric online > The group is SCA_Fabric-n-Notions > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA_Fabric-n-Notions > and it's for finding and *buying* fabric -- whatever the source. At this point it's also worth noting three other groups that serve essentially the same function: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garb4sale for fabric and supplies, not just garb, but SCA-focused http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ both of these for anything costume-related, set up separately by h-cost people Since no one has yet made the effort to merge any of these groups, I just post to all of them when I have things to sell. Now it looks like I've got another one to duplicate on. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 18:15:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNFnl5021603 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:15:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNFkcW018900; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:15:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HNFPit007755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HNFNsr018269; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:15:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HNFHRw018157 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 39264 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2006 23:15:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jCo1yGIoMBEp3OVWHdZnYSg1NF71hvu8lGj16XVBVJa03Pqet+nMKeT1iofO0ftPaXUv7oJg7TVTbu/KnYgmtT0Ao1CU47BcJB0aVWVwbz//eiMjFmVqf2v4x9tIwKmIQnEq7oNkDKKGoawJbepD6yJOxHnWpkVSoW42eGLHCTk= ; Message-ID: <20060217231516.39262.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:15:16 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:15:16 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Digest 146 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:15:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F65922.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello Does anyone still have digst 146? I've been having mail troubles again so would appreciate it if someone, anyone, could forward it to me. Cheers, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 18:22:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNMOw2021772 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:22:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNMLh1021086; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HNLfrT008599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HNLb5a024120; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1HNLW2H024024 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 51865 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 23:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 23:21:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060217231447.01dd51b0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:19:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise In-Reply-To: <8C80223ED061DEB-16D4-11A7@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> References: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> <8C80223ED061DEB-16D4-11A7@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:22:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F65AAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:54 17/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi all -- > >This is for my pirate costume again. What did chemises look like in >the 1690s? Were they any different from the Elizabethan ones? > >Thanks! >Tea Rose There is a pattern for a 17th century Italian chemise in the booklet "Cut my Cote" by Dorothy K. Burnham. It is much, much fuller than the Elizabethan/early Stuart chemises I saw at the Museum of London, and the one that Janet Arnold patterns in Waffen und Kostumkunde. It is similar to those very full ones shown in many 16th and 17th century paintings, where the ladies are dresses in chemises that fall off their shoulders. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 18:31:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNVuwM021971 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:31:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HNVqnT024183; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:31:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HNVVe1009879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HNVROP032674; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HNVOXR032601 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24715.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 544E5262810 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:31:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c6341a$43620850$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com><8C80223ED061DEB-16D4-11A7@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> <002101c63412$4b37ed90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:31:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:31:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F65CE8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Brother i bummed again, sorry not angle length of cause but elbow length. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise > Hi, > The baroque chemises would have angle lenght sleaves, pleated or gathered > to a small cuff, and also a frill at the end of the cuff. The neckline is > wide, follows the cut of the dress. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:54 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise > > >> Hi all -- >> >> This is for my pirate costume again. What did chemises look like in the >> 1690s? Were they any different from the Elizabethan ones? >> >> Thanks! >> Tea Rose >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 19:01:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1I016hf022461 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1I013ox000636; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1I00F4j013356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:00:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1I00B5m058743; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:00:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc2-s26.bay6.hotmail.com (omc2-s26.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.249.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1HNxxI4058518 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:00:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.91]) by omc2-s26.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:59:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <21e.844eada.31277d7e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:59:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 23:59:55.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[4002DAF0:01C6341E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F663BF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There are two gowns here in our collection at the Nova Scotia, made from the same, or similar fabrics, one is in it's original condition, the other has been remade to the end of the 18thC fashions...very cool. It is my hope to one day take patterns from them both, you know, someday when I have a bit of time! ;-) Kelly in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Joannah@sluggy.net writes: > > Is it just me, or does anyone else think that someone had a go at > remodeling > it to suit a much later fashion? > > > > That would certainly not be uncommon. It is extremely difficult to find > an > 18th century gown that hasn't been re-modeled, as the fabric was so > expensive! In fact, a curator friend of mine says that an 18th century > gown in its > original condition would be the Holy Grail of costume finds. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 21:56:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1I2tuOU025295 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:55:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1I2trgJ025746; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1I2tDuG049926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1I2t4UT004222; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1I2t07I004057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1I4b9Bl002080 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:37:09 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:00:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <021620062014.15942.43F4DD350005D49800003E4622007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <200602170029.40766.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40C2626C-84ED-43FB-89A5-7110787E8EA4@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <40C2626C-84ED-43FB-89A5-7110787E8EA4@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602172200.31016.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:55:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F68CB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Friday 17 February 2006 2:05 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > [snip] > > I'm familiar with asymmetric necklines (the color photograph on > > Cynthia Virtue's page to which I referred the original poster has one, in > > fact). But the black and white photo in question appears to have an extra > > band appearing > > in the middle of what looks like a *symmetrical* neckline. > > Yeah, the decorative band has a deep "V" on the (viewer's) left, but > then the right side of the "V" merges into a squared-off U on the > right. The "U" part is deeper and is the actual opening. One > problem in interpreting this garment is that -- if I'm remembering > correctly -- the decorative bands are the only original elements and > have been re-applied to different bodies over the years. I didn't know that. If that's the case, it would explain the oddity pretty well--it always looked to me like an out-of-place band of trim anyway. Thanks for the comment. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 17 23:04:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1I441iZ026094 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:04:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1I43vC0020461; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:04:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1I43K0o061470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:03:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1I43Flk061980; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [207.215.93.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1I1IaQT030180 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:18:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (66-81-42-186.nocal.dialup.o1.com [66.81.42.186]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id k1I1Ils04347 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:18:48 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c63427$16c4c140$ba2a5142@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <01a501c633de$ab8c6920$90295142@dnyeaqvf> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor patterns was Tudor rose Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:03:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:04:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F69CAD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Margo, would you send me a signed book plate to go in the books I have? I > bought both of the Patterns of Fashion books. I think you may be confusing me with Janet Arnold, author of the "Patterns of Fashion" books, who is sadly no longer with us. I'm known for my sewing pattern packages for historical costumes, which do include extremely detailed instruction manuals, but they're not on the level of those books, which represent a life of scholarship that all the rest of us draw on. If I'm reading this wrong and you actually want signed bookplates for your pattern manuals, I'd be honored to oblige; just send me your mailing adress at margo@margospatterns.com. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 09:23:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IENAhx002335 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:23:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IEN7dD024137; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:23:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IEMcV6033933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IEMVaw029491; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IEMMSq029345 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:22:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:22:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060216222113.24qu9kzf3xw8sso4@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:22:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2006 14:22:21.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB396F40:01C63496] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F72DCB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I looked at the images and don't know what "tippets" are. Please explain. I googled it and found sites with shawls and scarves. What in the image is a tippet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: "Costume List" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) > > Hey Robin! > >>From the SCA garb list ... >> Can I forward this to the H-Costume list where >> Robin Netherton hangs out? She's way interested >> in tippets. >> Jerusha > > Sure. Please tell her it was pointed out by John Dillion on the Medieval > Religion List. I'm sure she'll recognise his name. > > Hrothny > > A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni > Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and > sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of > Sienna. > > http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4&k1=6&k2=1 > ======= > > It's Italian, but dig those tippets! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 10:45:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IFjlRC003869 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:45:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IFjisn017077; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:45:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IFeGwo044082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IFeDL3088110; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:40:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IFe70I088011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAUBo-0001cG-Ab; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:40:04 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:40:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20060218094004.ns7wm5kcl08wswww@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:40:04 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) References: <20060216222113.24qu9kzf3xw8sso4@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:45:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F74128.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Becky : > I looked at the images and don't know what "tippets" are. Please > explain. I googled it and found sites with shawls and scarves. What > in the image is a tippet? See those "streamers" coming from her upper arm? Those are tippets. If you do a google *image* search [put tippets in your search box, get your results, and then click on the image link above the search box] you'll get a page that shows some other gowns with tippets -- including this paperdoll site http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/gawain/gawain.html and this Ready-To-Wear-Garb site http://www.revivalclothing.com/catpages/cat_womenssilkwardrobe.htm her tippets are white, and look like an add-on, but Robin's research indicates that this probably isn't the case. Susan >> >> http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4&k1=6&k2=1 >> ======= >> >> It's Italian, but dig those tippets! >> ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 12:31:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IHVmOg006058 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:31:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IHVjma025105; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:31:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IHVEgW054071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IHV6KD075876; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IHV43J075804 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YaoJ7W5vyPrAiX1q5AIlNatj0xbFX1GihWAubqUloyouJx1ObZ07sWo8vYY+2Gxb; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.46.56] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FAVvC-0000xZ-P3 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:31:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <8C8022A1F9D9FC1-16D4-14B4@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> References: <200602171900.k1HJ0TN2056662@net.indra.com> <8C8022A1F9D9FC1-16D4-14B4@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Byzantine Dress Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:32:50 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1af41da19439373717589b4d64b40aca50350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.56 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:31:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F75A01.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 17, 2006, at 2:39 PM, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone heard about this Byzantine Dress book, or its author, > Jennifer Ball? > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1403967008/103-0624918-7671817? > v=glance&n=283155 > > It seems to have just been published. I sure wish I could afford > it, although it's slightly later than my precise period of interest. It's published by Palgrave, who tend to be well-represented on my bookshelves among academic publishers. I would assume that this is a bookification of someone's dissertation. (It's gone on my mental list of books to check out in the dealers' room at Kalamazoo -- I don't know that I'd buy it sight unseen.) Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 12:34:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IHYnmw006129 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:34:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IHYkdE026047; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:34:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IHYYV1054387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IHYX4f078435; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav13.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IHYUZa078381 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:34:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:34:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060216222113.24qu9kzf3xw8sso4@www.goldsword.com> <20060218094004.ns7wm5kcl08wswww@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! 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Status: RO Thanks. The search results I got didn't fit into the images. I saw the sleeve drapes and didn't know what they were called. I've been learning quite a bit from the discussion boards and costume constructions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) > Quoting Becky : > >> I looked at the images and don't know what "tippets" are. Please explain. >> I googled it and found sites with shawls and scarves. What in the image >> is a tippet? > > See those "streamers" coming from her upper arm? Those are tippets. > If you do a google *image* search [put tippets in your search box, get > your results, and then click on the image link above the search box] > you'll get a page that shows some other gowns with tippets -- > including this paperdoll site > http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/gawain/gawain.html > and this Ready-To-Wear-Garb site > http://www.revivalclothing.com/catpages/cat_womenssilkwardrobe.htm > her tippets are white, and look like an add-on, but Robin's research > indicates that this probably isn't the case. > > Susan > >>> >>> http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4&k1=6&k2=1 >>> ======= >>> >>> It's Italian, but dig those tippets! >>> > > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 12:36:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IHapMG006179 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:36:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IHans7009109; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:36:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IHaZn0054626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IHaYnW079862; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IHaUIS079764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAW0R-000653-7P; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:36:27 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:36:27 -0600 Message-ID: <20060218113627.tkmgy27fjpgggwk4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:36:27 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO And while we're talking Italian Tippets ..... :-) I've got another picture for you, Robin. I just had to get it scanned -- and now seemed like a good time to do it! http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/milano_ExpulsionJoachim150.jpg these women are spectators, so I don't know how much the Special Garb rule applies here, but ..... The Italian GFD frequently has this sort of "inverted scoop" neckline -- I'm not exactly sure what you'd call it! some frescos from the Runklestein Castle http://www.myblog.de/costumes/page/86416 although it's not as evident on those gowns -- and think of those two with the funny panel down the front http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giottino/pieta.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giovanni/milano/birth.jpg both of whom have that others include http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/italian_MussacchioPl46.jpg http://tinyurl.com/dlmqd http://tinyurl.com/b2te7 and *she* has an off-center front-opening gown! 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German Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:07:04 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1a78d93ddd56b6f636aefd67e2e8dc872b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.56 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:06:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F7621A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > On Friday 17 February 2006 12:11 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] > >> There isn't so much a "problem" with the neckline as that it's a >> rather unusually shaped neckline. The particular angle of the >> photograph is also not very good for seeing what's going on with the >> neck. Asymmetric "side-opening" necklines are quite common among the >> surviving garments of this era (what few there are). On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > OK, so I'm showing my ignorance, but why "side-opening" necklines? > I'd think > they'd be more difficult than symmetrical, center front openings. > Sharon > What follows is largely off-the-cuff speculation, but the answer is most likely to lie in how these openings developed historically. The most common neck opening configuration of the Roman Empire and sub- Roman era was a horizontal slit, sometimes with slight dishing on the front side of the opening. In garments woven in one piece on wide vertical looms, this slit could be created during the weaving complete with selveges (on the loom, it would be positioned vertically during weaving). Modifications to this neckline style in the early medieval period include a lot of things other than center-front slits, and seem to have developed from different motivations and for different purposes. Examples include: Narrowing the opening-as-worn by fastening the front and back edges together closer to the (wearer's) neck, as we see in the 8th century tunic associated with St. Ebbo, where there is a button-and-loop closure on each shoulder. A double layer of fabric in the body of the garment, with vertical slits in the layers on alternate sides of the neck, each fastening at the top, so that when closed the inner and outer fabrics overlap and there's no direct "hole" from the outside to the inside of the garment. This is seen in the very detailed technical drawings of the 11th c. Danish "Viborg shirt" and also appears to be the underlying construction in the 12th c. alb of William II of SIcily (another garment where the decorative parts are original but the garment has been re-made at various times). If you visualize enlarged neck openings developing from a horizontal- slit opening rather than a circular opening, then if you start the vertical slit at the side of the existing horizontal slit, you end up with only one "corner" to deal with, rather than the two corners you get if you position the vertical slit in center front. Also, a number of the early side-opening necklines incorporate a decorative vertical band as part of the slit, and garments of the early medieval period often already had a vertical decorative band approximately at the side of the neck opening, deriving from the clavii. Just a few thoughts on the topic. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 13:45:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IIjkIq007714 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:45:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IIjhSj016726; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:45:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IIjENx062853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IIj7Xs033321; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:45:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IIj47V033151 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.52]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060218184458.IDQJ3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:44:58 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060218123301.0268fb80@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:44:54 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200602181731.k1IHVA5F075933@net.indra.com> References: <200602181731.k1IHVA5F075933@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Byzantine Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:45:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F76B57.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have the book. It just came in last week and I haven't had a chance to read it yet. It's a small book without terribly many pictures. Not a dress or costume manual... much more into theory. Beth >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:39:18 -0500 >From: tearoses@aol.com >Subject: [h-cost] Byzantine Dress > >Has anyone heard about this Byzantine Dress book, or its author, Jennifer >Ball? > >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1403967008/103-0624918-7671817?v=glance&n=283155 > >It seems to have just been published. I sure wish I could afford it, >although it's slightly later than my precise period of interest. > >Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 15:00:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IK0ql9009245 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:00:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IK0m7b009197; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:00:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IK07SH071242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IK01bZ092976; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IJxuQD092814 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC1FBE98F for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:59:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:59:53 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060218195950.CDC1FBE98F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:00:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F77CF0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. And it got a shokking salmon pink. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg I wonder if this would be right for that period. I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a colour for me. But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . I would love to hear other opinions. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 15:08:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IK8tcm009438 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:08:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IK8oKA012170; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:08:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IK8ZAb072049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IK8YMH099460; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IK8Tm3099390 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:05:07 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:08:33 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <001501c634c7$18415970$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcY0xiSrJ6qFwwGfQ0Sqd71+U5YTegAAN4rQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <20060218195950.CDC1FBE98F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2006 20:05:07.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D666420:01C634C6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:08:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F77ED2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Don't know about correct for your project, but the color looks pretty good on you! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Hi, Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. And it got a shokking salmon pink. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg I wonder if this would be right for that period. I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a colour for me. But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . I would love to hear other opinions. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 15:26:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKQeCf009794 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:26:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKQbLx018493; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:26:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IKQ69k074659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKQ5Wc013078; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKQ08U013018 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479224023F for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.103905 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD94LDfgV+JgIAAAAB,324399f8579079a668ca7556078aa86d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.117.9] Message-Id: <20060218122539.23A89F11@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:26:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F782FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have to agree with Betsy. The color is beautiful and looks great on you. If it were me I would go for it. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Betsy Marshall" wrote: From: "Betsy Marshall" Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:08:33 -0600 To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Don't know about correct for your project, but the color looks pretty good on you! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Hi, Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. And it got a shokking salmon pink. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg I wonder if this would be right for that period. I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a colour for me. But I am not totally sure if this is much better :- . I would love to hear other opinions. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 15:46:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKkBv9010204 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:46:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKk8sT025779; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:46:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IKjliP077607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKjl8a030122; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1IKjh0Y030031 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:45:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 689 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 21:47:31 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:47:31 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:47:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1172.67.169.138.79.1140295640.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060218195950.CDC1FBE98F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20060218195950.CDC1FBE98F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:47:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:46:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F78790.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. That sounds like madder root. > It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval > times. > And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a > colour for me. > But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . > I would love to hear other opinions. Which chemical mordant did you use? Mordants are things like alum, nickel, iron, and I forget the last one. You put the mordant into the dye bath and each chemical gives a different shade of red-orange. You can also pre-treat the cloth with a bath of the mordant and then dye it separately. You can look up which one gives a more red color and try re-dying it with that. There are some good books about natural dyes that you can either order or find in your library. And there are some places online that sell the dye items and mordants that you would need. Sorry I can't tell you any specific books or websites....I haven't done natural dyeing in years! And I agree that the orange isn't a bad color for you..... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 15:55:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKta2g010390 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:55:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKtY3O002305; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:55:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IKtJfL078403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKtHMw038087; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKtCv8038006 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m92.in-tch.com [216.166.191.92]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1IKkdA10344 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002101c634ce$9bdd0b60$5cbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060218195950.CDC1FBE98F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:55:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F789C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think the plant you are referring to is known as "madder" in English. I've gotten colors similar to yours in my madder dyeing. It's pretty pH and temperature sensitive. I'm afraid I don't know enough about 12th century costume (and colors thereof) to be able to tell you about the historical accuracy of the color for that kind of gown, though. ;o( --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. > It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. > And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a > colour for me. > But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . > I would love to hear other opinions. > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 15:55:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKtZ1r010389 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:55:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IKtW4G029381; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:55:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IKiswZ077508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKioMk029283; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKikWa029161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAYwe-0006a5-P3; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:44:44 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:44:44 -0600 Message-ID: <20060218144444.kbclspsi52xw00sk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:44:44 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Deredere Galbraith : > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. I think that the color is gorgeous! > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. Do you know what the latin name is? I can translate! :-S Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 17:13:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IMDTAS011863 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:13:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IMDQJr027358; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IMCY09086548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IMCPpJ002785; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IMCMXm002656 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.8a.367960ec (39953) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.367960ec.3128f5bb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:12:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:13:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F79C06.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:26:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: And it got a shokking salmon pink. **************** Well, you may have been shocked, but I think the salmon pick looks divine! It beautiful. It doesn't look too saturated to not be period. It looks great! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 18:04:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IN4I9P012878 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:04:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1IN4FaW010554; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:04:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IN3roI093771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IN3oMx043372; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:03:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1IN3lfo043309 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:03:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 3937 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 00:05:33 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:05:33 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:05:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321.67.169.138.79.1140303921.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8a.367960ec.3128f5bb@aol.com> References: <8a.367960ec.3128f5bb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:05:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:04:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F7A7EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:26:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: > > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > > > > **************** > Well, you may have been shocked, but I think the salmon pick looks divine! > It beautiful. It doesn't look too saturated to not be period. It looks > great! Uhhh...from what I have heard, they have found clothing scraps that were hot pink in Viking burial grounds. I believe that the they used some kind of lichen to dye it. So I would not assume that a "saturated" color is not period. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 18:17:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INHWYk013134 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:17:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INHTq7014364; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1INH7Jl094874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1INH3Al052908; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1IKkREF030708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:46:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAYyH-0006gR-To; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:46:25 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:46:25 -0600 Message-ID: <20060218144625.rrkdyhusm69wgcwk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:46:25 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Deredere Galbraith : > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. google is my friend. Looks like Rubia tinctorum -- aka Madder. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 18:35:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INZPko013413 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:35:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INZMKg019222; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:35:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1INYqX2098260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:34:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1INYoRN068363; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1INYkoB068295 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADFA437066C; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:30:02 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:34:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c634e3$e6f2a500$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Heather Rose Jones Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German > On Friday 17 February 2006 12:11 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] > >> There isn't so much a "problem" with the neckline as that it's a >> rather unusually shaped neckline. The particular angle of the >> photograph is also not very good for seeing what's going on with the >> neck. Asymmetric "side-opening" necklines are quite common among the >> surviving garments of this era (what few there are). On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > OK, so I'm showing my ignorance, but why "side-opening" necklines? > I'd think > they'd be more difficult than symmetrical, center front openings. > Sharon > What follows is largely off-the-cuff speculation, but the answer is most likely to lie in how these openings developed historically. The most common neck opening configuration of the Roman Empire and sub- Roman era was a horizontal slit, sometimes with slight dishing on the front side of the opening. In garments woven in one piece on wide vertical looms, this slit could be created during the weaving complete with selveges (on the loom, it would be positioned vertically during weaving). Modifications to this neckline style in the early medieval period include a lot of things other than center-front slits, and seem to have developed from different motivations and for different purposes. Examples include: Narrowing the opening-as-worn by fastening the front and back edges together closer to the (wearer's) neck, as we see in the 8th century tunic associated with St. Ebbo, where there is a button-and-loop closure on each shoulder. A double layer of fabric in the body of the garment, with vertical slits in the layers on alternate sides of the neck, each fastening at the top, so that when closed the inner and outer fabrics overlap and there's no direct "hole" from the outside to the inside of the garment. This is seen in the very detailed technical drawings of the 11th c. Danish "Viborg shirt" and also appears to be the underlying construction in the 12th c. alb of William II of SIcily (another garment where the decorative parts are original but the garment has been re-made at various times). If you visualize enlarged neck openings developing from a horizontal- slit opening rather than a circular opening, then if you start the vertical slit at the side of the existing horizontal slit, you end up with only one "corner" to deal with, rather than the two corners you get if you position the vertical slit in center front. Also, a number of the early side-opening necklines incorporate a decorative vertical band as part of the slit, and garments of the early medieval period often already had a vertical decorative band approximately at the side of the neck opening, deriving from the clavii. Just a few thoughts on the topic. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 18:36:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INa4KR013420 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:36:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INa1qa015830; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:36:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1INZnfo098341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:35:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1INZjSu068944; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:35:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1INZTHf068747 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE29192A0074; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:30:49 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:35:32 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c634e4$02c376b0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060218195950.CDC1FBE98F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Rose madder? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Hi, Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. And it got a shokking salmon pink. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg I wonder if this would be right for that period. I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a colour for me. But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . I would love to hear other opinions. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 18:37:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INbVhZ013438 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:37:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1INbSSj004467; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1INbBun098530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1INbATG070241; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:37:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1INb6hY070168 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE8A535067A; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:32:26 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:37:09 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c634e4$3c8513e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002101c634ce$9bdd0b60$5cbfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Check out tapestries and/or carpets from that time. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question I think the plant you are referring to is known as "madder" in English. I've gotten colors similar to yours in my madder dyeing. It's pretty pH and temperature sensitive. I'm afraid I don't know enough about 12th century costume (and colors thereof) to be able to tell you about the historical accuracy of the color for that kind of gown, though. ;o( --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. It is a > root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. > And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not > a colour for me. But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ > . I would love to hear other opinions. > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 20:49:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J1nKfw015629 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:49:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J1nHmY025806; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:49:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J1mb4m011431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J1mR6T064649; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J1mM7l064579 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F0DDA3388B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:48:21 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:48:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <002101c634ce$9bdd0b60$5cbfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:49:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F7CE9D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just opinion and not an expert in the period. If you achieved it with a period process, one can assume that it probably was available and possibly worn in that period. In the next century you find pink and pinkish garments in illuminations. I would say since it is a good color on you to not dye it again. Also, though it is a bit bright (probably from the sheen of the fabric) it is not a shocking salmon color. I would not wear the shade of yellow that you have there as it detracts. What you offset this salmon with will determine whether the gown stands out or you. De > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. > It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. > And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a > colour for me. > But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . > I would love to hear other opinions. > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 21:04:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J24aom015876 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:04:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J24X1f030368; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:04:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J24EhE013028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J24A39075383; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J246wb075320 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DC942E38C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:04:06 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets ... Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:04:11 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060218113627.tkmgy27fjpgggwk4@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:04:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F7D231.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/milano_ExpulsionJoachim150.jpg (Susan) these women are spectators, so I don't know how much the Special Garb rule applies here, but ..... The Italian GFD frequently has this sort of "inverted scoop" neckline -- I'm not exactly sure what you'd call it! De - Is that trim on the hem of the dress or an underdress with a short overdress. Left shoulder, is that a cloak which the woman has pulled around to the right and is using it to cradle the lamb? I think that the bust may be a factor in the arching. (Susan)-- and think of those two with the funny panel down the front http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giottino/pieta.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giovanni/milano/birth.jpg both of whom have that De- I can not tell real well but this looks like this dress has a red front panel with striped material for the rest of the dress. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/hitomi_gehrig/14th%20Century/Roncolo6 .gif _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 21:24:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J2OWge016221 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:24:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J2OTa9005488; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:24:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J2O6HW014731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:24:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J2O4BK089000; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:24:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J2O1aR088883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAeEz-0000lA-4w; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:24:01 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:24:01 -0600 Message-ID: <20060218202401.cjm82mlwh5wk04s8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:24:01 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > -----Original Message----- > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/milano_ExpulsionJoachim150.jpg > > (Susan) these women are spectators, so I don't know how much the Special > Garb > rule applies here, but ..... > The Italian GFD frequently has this sort of "inverted scoop" neckline -- > I'm not exactly sure what you'd call it! > > De - Is that trim on the hem of the dress or an underdress with a short > overdress. Left shoulder, is that a cloak which the woman has pulled around > to the right and is using it to cradle the lamb? I think that the bust may > be a factor in the arching. I have *no* clue. IIRC, there are a couple of "short overdresses" on some of the painted birthing trays. They definately have some sort of "scarf" over their arms and under the lambs -- but that striped fabric on the back of her sleeve just doesn't fit. If it was a cloak, seems like it should not follow her neckline like it does. The right shoulders of all the women are dark like maybe there is a cloak over that shoulder. Whatever the striped fabric is, it seen on the underdress, the "scarf" under the lambs, and on the back of her left arm. I sure would like to see what other frescoes there are at "the Runuccini Chapel in the Sacristy" somewhere in Florence! One of the other ladies in the birth painting (URL below) also has on a shorter overdress with a striped underdress. > > (Susan)-- and think of those two with the funny panel down the front > http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giottino/pieta.jpg > http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giovanni/milano/birth.jpg both of whom have that > > De- I can not tell real well but this looks like this dress has a red front > panel with striped material for the rest of the dress. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/hitomi_gehrig/14th%20Century/Roncolo6 > .gif > Isn't that one just wild! It almost looks like it could be a 10-gore gown with each gore a different color! -- and the *only* reason that I make that outlandish statement, is that the stripes appear wider around her hips than they do her neckline. Yep, Italian wierdness. It's not as d as some of the Flemish stuff that you run across though! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 18 22:23:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J3N92G017362 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:23:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J3N3pS024558; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J3MVEV020065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J3MR2c031709; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J3MNUD031647 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD00E338CE for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:22:22 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets ... Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:22:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060218202401.cjm82mlwh5wk04s8@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:23:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F7E497.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I hadn't thought of gores but I think you may be on to something here. This would solve some peoples problems with not having enough fabric of one color. :) I thought that the dress has a front panel because of the white dots running down the "seam". I haven't seen the weird flemish stuff. Got pictures? :) De -----Original Message----- > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/hitomi_gehrig/14th%20Century/Roncolo6 > .gif > Isn't that one just wild! It almost looks like it could be a 10-gore gown with each gore a different color! -- and the *only* reason that I make that outlandish statement, is that the stripes appear wider around her hips than they do her neckline. Yep, Italian wierdness. It's not as d as some of the Flemish stuff that you run across though! Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 00:02:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J52Nfh019663 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:02:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J52KAN021453; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J51dFa028800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J51UxG099519; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:01:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J51Q9E099389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:01:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAghL-0004Oc-BC; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:01:27 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:01:27 -0600 Message-ID: <20060218230127.te466b75uksoc0wg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:01:27 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > I hadn't thought of gores but I think you may be on to something here. This > would solve some peoples problems with not having enough fabric of one > color. :) It would be a hoot to do -- and you could carry that picture around with you and say -- "see! here it is -- wierd Italian garb!" :-) > I thought that the dress has a front panel because of the white dots running > down the "seam". I thought that they were buttons! > I haven't seen the weird flemish stuff. Got pictures? :) Of course! Think about Anne of Cleves dress. If all you knew was English Tudor, you'd swear that was a Fantasy/Allegorical gown. One thing that you see quite a bit in Flemish garb -- that may very well be allegorical is the "overbodice" -- you know like that thing that the Victorians thought was a part of a bliaut? Take the Genealogies of the Kings of Portugal -- symbolic in all probability, but the elements show up a *lot* http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/620/62082_2.jpg my favorite. This was on the cover of the Museum Catalog from the Getty on Flemish Illuminations. Dig the lady in the powder blue dress with overbodice a little over halfway down on the right of the image. http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/bening_04c_DomFernandoDetail.jpg and on this folio http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/240/24052_2.jpg and detail http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/bening_05starD_QualityDetail2.jpg http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/34/3463_2.jpg http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/122/12252_2.jpg Virgin with Saints (Barbara & Catherine of Alexandria) http://www.wga.hu/art/b/benson/lou_135.jpg yet another saint -- left panel of triptych http://tinyurl.com/a2z4t and one of my personal favorites -- dig the pink "3 piece suit" on the saint in the right panel http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/zunk_fl/16_paint/2/05adorat.jpg Elijah & the Widow of Zarapeth -- dig the sleeves http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/zunk_fl/16_paint/1/04adora2.jpg again symbolic/allegrical, but you got 4 "normal" gowns and that odd thing in the lower left http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/flemish_CharlesBold.jpg Have I overloaded your Wierd Meter yet? :-D Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 01:27:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J6RaRx021205 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:27:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J6RXNg010371; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J6R2YM035650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J6QwpY053417; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J6QsDV053326 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (c-24-1-87-191.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.87.191]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006021906264901200ispcse>; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:26:49 +0000 Message-ID: <01f201c6351d$77663af0$060ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060218230127.te466b75uksoc0wg@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:23:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:27:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F80FD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/34/3463_2.jpg This on has long been my favorite. I have been sketching and searching and sketching these dresses for years hoping to find the right event to make one for. Sigh, and the time. :( Thank you for the new images!!! :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... > Quoting otsisto : > >> I hadn't thought of gores but I think you may be on to something here. >> This >> would solve some peoples problems with not having enough fabric of one >> color. :) > > It would be a hoot to do -- and you could carry that picture around with > you and say -- "see! here it is -- wierd Italian garb!" :-) > >> I thought that the dress has a front panel because of the white dots >> running >> down the "seam". > > I thought that they were buttons! > >> I haven't seen the weird flemish stuff. Got pictures? :) > > Of course! Think about Anne of Cleves dress. If all you knew was > English Tudor, you'd swear that was a Fantasy/Allegorical gown. One > thing that you see quite a bit in Flemish garb -- that may very well be > allegorical is the "overbodice" -- you know like that thing that the > Victorians thought was a part of a bliaut? > > Take the Genealogies of the Kings of Portugal -- symbolic in all > probability, but the elements show up a *lot* > > http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/620/62082_2.jpg > my favorite. This was on the cover of the Museum Catalog from the Getty > on Flemish Illuminations. Dig the lady in the powder blue dress with > overbodice a little over halfway down on the right of the image. > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/bening_04c_DomFernandoDetail.jpg > and on this folio > http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/240/24052_2.jpg > and detail > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/bening_05starD_QualityDetail2.jpg > > http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/34/3463_2.jpg > http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/122/12252_2.jpg > > Virgin with Saints (Barbara & Catherine of Alexandria) > http://www.wga.hu/art/b/benson/lou_135.jpg > > yet another saint -- left panel of triptych > http://tinyurl.com/a2z4t > > and one of my personal favorites -- dig the pink "3 piece suit" on the > saint in the right panel > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/zunk_fl/16_paint/2/05adorat.jpg > > Elijah & the Widow of Zarapeth -- dig the sleeves > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/zunk_fl/16_paint/1/04adora2.jpg > > again symbolic/allegrical, but you got 4 "normal" gowns and that odd > thing in the lower left > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/flemish_CharlesBold.jpg > > Have I overloaded your Wierd Meter yet? :-D > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 01:56:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J6uiH3021655 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:56:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J6ufpE020254; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:56:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J6pHgY037289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J6pFBl069329; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J6pCxW069287 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.244]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AA4DFA50002 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:35:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c634d3$3dc62f20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:35:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] modes and manners X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:56:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F816A9.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Anybody know of the etiquette for 18th century. When a man is presented to a lady, and he kisses her hand, does he then actually kis the hand, or does he just pretend that he is kissing the hand? I have done both, but not sure wich is correct. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 04:25:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J9Pm9E000926 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:25:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J9PiMn022154; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J9P6Pk053460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J9Ownb083609; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J9OsKP083377 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29873BE6E9 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:24:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:24:52 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question References: <20060218195950.CDC1FBE98F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <1172.67.169.138.79.1140295640.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1172.67.169.138.79.1140295640.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060219092449.29873BE6E9@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:25:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F83999.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Thanks for the response! I feel a lot happyer now :-) . It also looks better now in daylight. The only problem I have with it is that this colour probably will make me look even jonger than most people alredy think I am... :-\ And I have to look what colour belt and embroidery wil look better on the gown than yellow. I think green would look well. More reasons to dye more fabrik :-) . It is so much fun. Meekrap is indeed madder We used alun as a mordand And dyed it in a copper pan. 20% alun and afther a while I added 200% madder. and then cleaned with water with a little ammonia. I hope it won't ruin the silk. But it looks ok now. It is very thin silk don't know what it is called. Greetings, Deredere > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 04:47:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J9lEAY001299 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:47:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1J9lBh7027479; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:47:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1J9krq3055865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:46:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J9kpE5099182; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1J9klBM099146 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0923FE90 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.10723c for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D+D6HpjTQ3wIAAAAB,8b84f4ebc332f7c2b25842e7472a3a4d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:46:46 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060219014647.23B765BE@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:47:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F83E9F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >--- Suzi Clarke wrote: > >>The polonaising also doesn't seem right to me. A polonaise on an >>English robe, yes, but on a sack? I've been looking through what >>books I can lay my hands on, and I haven't yet seen a sack-backed >>gown that is polonaised. The polonaise also isn't deep enough. > >Regarding the polonaising only - not had time to check out the other >stuff - there are at least two polonaised sacks in collections that I >have seen, one in Bath, and one in the Museum of London. Also I am >sure there are many sketches/fashion plates showing this, usually in >the 1770's. I think the French artist Moreau le Jeune shows this, but >they may be retroussee dans les poches, which gives a similar look. Of course, now that you've said that, I think I *do* remember seeing pictures of polonaised sacks - or they may have been retroussee dans les poches, too. ( Blame up-too-late-at-night brain. ) But, if a gown was polonaised, weren't they usually polonaised at/from the back, not pulling the gown back from the centre front, as this one is? That is probably the thing which is most wrong about this gown, and made me think that an attempt had been made to alter it to suit a fashion from approx. 100 years later. http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/101523900/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/101523898/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/101523897/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/101523896/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/101523899/ Actually, now I come to think about it a bit more, I wonder if it is just that the sellers don't understand where the skirt should be draped from to make the polonaise, so that instead of pulling the skirt up from the back, they pulled it back from the front. Hmmmmm.... I still would really like to have a good look at this gown in the flesh ( as it were ) or failing that, on a dress dummy that is the right size, height, and shape for it. And with the skirt polonaised the right way. :-) Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 05:45:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JAjm8a004578 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:45:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JAjjHU012220; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:45:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JAj3fn061019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JAivsX040862; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JAipmV040735 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060219104442.RVSJ7481.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:44:42 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.173.64]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060219104441.EGRL18564.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:44:41 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.11/264]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:44:46 +1300 Message-ID: <002b01c63541$801a6e40$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060218230127.te466b75uksoc0wg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:44:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in context Re: Flemish RE: tippets ... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:45:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F84C59.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Of course! Think about Anne of Cleves dress. If all you knew was > English Tudor, you'd swear that was a Fantasy/Allegorical gown. Oh boy... I have discussed this one on my livejournal as I recently read the most appalling disection of the sybolism in the painting ... I found a quote online which I then tracked down in a bio about Holbein: About the bands of trim on her skirt, "The one on her left is not complemented by one on her right. Furthermore, her right hand and the fall of her left undersleeve draw attention to the discrepancy. This sends a signal to the viewer that, despite the ornateness of the costume, there is something amiss, a certain clumsiness.[...] Thus 'tait (a) gauche, pas a droit' (band on the left, not on the right') sounds like 'tres gauche, pas adroit' ('very awkward, not skilful') (Firstly do we know if Holbein spoke French?) Oh no, let's not look at the rest of the art of the region to see if the asymmetrical *opening* (not just trimming) is actually a fashion trait. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2clevesdd.htm Lots of openings on the left and the right! Anyway, this is what I wrote: I suspect Holbein succeeded in what he intended: A portrait that spoke the truth, but people could interpret what they most wanted to believe. Her gaze can be seen as reflective and knowing or vacant and dim depending on prior "knowelege." (To me she looks content at that particular point in time, but it doesn't seem to say much more beyond that.) We also don't know just what portrait reached Henry first. The miniature is said to have been painted after the larger portrait, but it could ahve been painted first from the preparatory sketches. Henry may also have seen a sketch even. So indeed, many assumptions can be made when you don't look at context;) I am actually working on the gown;) Well the 1560ish one at the top of each page. I apologise for the changing colours, I still haven't decided on a colour scheme. I need to hang out the velveteen that is halfway through the bleaching process. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/19/2006 1:51:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: . When a man is presented to a lady, and he kisses her hand, does he then actually kis the hand, or does he just pretend that he is kissing the hand? I have done both, but not sure wich is correct. And since you ask that, I have another question. At least in the 20th century, a gentleman only kissed a MARRIED woman's hand. I would like to know when that started. Ann Was _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 08:20:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JDKSBL001350 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:20:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JDKPtL002988; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:20:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JDJtrD085476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JDJpbF059469; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f32.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JDJmYH059399 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:19:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:19:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [81.132.187.119] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602172216.k1HMFVWQ052101@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:19:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2006 13:19:47.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[282FDC90:01C63557] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Fancy Dress Described X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:20:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F87099.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It was Dickins and Jones on Regent Street that closed recently, not Debenhams - Debenhams is alive and well and has branches all over the country (Debenhams.com), but is far removed from an old-fashioned department store these days. Interestingly, it's the Designers at Debenhams range - where various big-name fashion designers have created affordable collections specifically for the store - that has been credited with reviving the company's fortunes, as they were in serious trouble a few years back. >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:37:27 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fancy Dress Described >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060217193532.01d70cc8@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >At 14:54 17/02/2006, you wrote: > >Debenham & Freebody were fashion designers for the elite of > >England. I have a few of their fashion plates in our Library. > > > >Penny E. Ladnier > >Owner, > >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > >Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > >Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > >The store called Debenham's has just recently closed in Regent >Street. I rather think that it was the last remnants of what was a >great store. It had an expensive redesign a few years ago, but never >quite got back to the glory days of the Victorian and Edwardian shops. > >Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 09:33:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JEXm23014690 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:33:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JEXjZL025408; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JEX9L4002136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JEX1HM010387; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:33:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JEWvXH010325 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.109.81.213]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c63561$5d76e290$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <76.64c125d3.3129bb1b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:32:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:33:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F881C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, I think the man is only allowed to kiss her hand if she first presents her hand.Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners > > In a message dated 2/19/2006 1:51:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > . When a man is presented to a > lady, and he kisses her hand, does he then actually kis the hand, or does > he > just pretend that he is kissing the hand? > I have done both, but not sure wich is correct. > > > > > And since you ask that, I have another question. At least in the 20th > century, a gentleman only kissed a MARRIED woman's hand. I would like to > know > when that started. > > Ann Was > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 10:44:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JFiFM7028054 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:44:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JFiCOS012972; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:44:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JFhcfW008005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JFhY4E059954; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JFhUpE059845 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2ed.16a13e1 (17377) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:43:17 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2ed.16a13e1.3129ec15@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:43:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:44:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8924C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: So I would not assume that a "saturated" color is not period. ************* Well, that wasn't originally MY concern, y'know....but the poster's of the pic. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 10:53:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JFriSc029275 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:53:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JFrfQn016314; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:53:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JFrRSO008575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JFrP22066680; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:53:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1JFrLSO066641 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:53:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77322 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2006 15:53:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TdXOxirgu4el4J3uQN11GPX4CFy876FtDVyDHEUYcKmE9s9HEOvzHAhbY8mt23oTq2H87DlHTWJmUWYZjQ3evGNlP0gtPUICVkK5SjHwZ3QQ72Aurm+7bdIXb5Nul4RclAZ7CufrsjQEupFozsCmWXT2aSqWrN+6JYe3WnU5z8U= ; Message-ID: <20060219155320.77320.qmail@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [87.244.72.214] by web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:20 GMT Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:20 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners - kissing hands To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000a01c63561$5d76e290$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:53:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F89485.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sue wrote: Actually, I think the man is only allowed to kiss her hand if she first presents her hand.Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 Comment Gentles of The List What a fascinating series of questions this thread raises for our discussion and learning! We do know that it was proper etiquette to expect to "kiss the Rings" of our own temporal Rulers, of all Princes of the Church and other Lords Spiritual [Cardinals, Archibishops, and Bishops - and therfore our Religious Superiors], during the medieval Period. I am sure the ring-hand had to be offered first, though, and it was an expected gesture of submissive respect. So there was no point in offering your Ring of Office to be kissed by anyone who was not your Subject, Liegeman, or spiritual Inferior, and thus unlikely to naturally aquiesce to this mark of Respect. An Ambassador might bow before a Foreign Ruler on being Presented, but - not being a Subject of said Ruler, and being already Liege-sworn to his Own Overlord - would the Diplomat kiss the Ring of Office of a foreign Lord Temporal? I think perhaps not. The kissing of Ladies hands, though - ...? When did the custom begin? Did this originate with the French Courts Of Love in Provence? Since I re-enact a Senior King's Officer of the late 15th Century, I, too would be most interested to be enlightened as to the minutiæ of this custom. My Persona had no Social Equals in Jersey, as King's Governor, even the 5 Hauts Seigneurs ranking below the Governor in Precedence, - but might well have been "courtly enough" to, at the least, "bow-over" the hands of local- or visitng- high-born Ladies, out of Chivalry, and respect to their Femininity and noble Birth. Does any Lister know of this subject being mentioned in sufficient detail to enlighten us further, in any medieval Book about Courtly etiquette? Yours in Service, Matthew ["Messire Matthew Baker", Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War") ] aka. - Julian Wilson, - late-medieval Re-enactor; Herald, Historian, & Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the Island of "olde" Jersey's only mediæval living-history Group] Meet us at < www.dukesleopards.org >" [input] - --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in context Re: Flemish RE: tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting michaela : >> Of course! Think about Anne of Cleves dress. If all you knew was >> English Tudor, you'd swear that was a Fantasy/Allegorical gown. > > Oh boy... I have discussed this one on my livejournal as I recently read the > most appalling disection of the sybolism in the painting ... > > I found a quote online which I then tracked down in a bio about Holbein: > About the bands of trim on her skirt, > "The one on her left is not complemented by one on her right. Furthermore, > her right hand and the fall of her left undersleeve draw attention to the > discrepancy. This sends a signal to the viewer that, despite the ornateness > of the costume, there is something amiss, a certain clumsiness.[...] > Thus 'tait (a) gauche, pas a droit' (band on the left, not on the right') > sounds like 'tres gauche, pas adroit' ('very awkward, not skilful') Oh, yeah, right! >rolls eyes< Even Freud said it, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" I think that the gown is lovely (I want to make one in Teal, but that's neither here nor there). My only context in including it there was to show that to eyes used to English clothing of the period, that it would look wierd, or fanciful, or whatever -- not that I thought it was an allegorical garment. I think that page that you have with the German thumbmails is a wonderful resource for this type of garment! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 11:33:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JGXRrY031443 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:33:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JGXOVq031577; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JGX9tR012132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JGX8iZ095184; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1JGX1r8095078 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60497 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2006 16:32:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wBQENZnqDnKi7mYHD82YlMSvO6SKv4lX1lZsTziLiZsySbHumgwnvntHxPd964BzAvDrWXlehlh2Vw5zum+dFWD+VRiUD/qtmYO9Ggg6C4QgPCYKSgLmUrJOPatY5JYbHlVmcjMD79691mTxdJlvuTN3++tbNriba826G18sOT4= ; Message-ID: <20060219163256.60495.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:32:56 PST Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602190205.k1J24BnD075401@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:33:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F89DD4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree too, that is a gorgeous color and looks good on you. The yellow doesn't go with it very well, but some of the shades of blue and green on the book shelf behind you appear to be very complimentary. I recall seeing color like this in some Medieval paintings, somewhere in 13th-15th century art. I can't recall where I saw them at the moment or what type of 'gown' the color appeared on - but would seem to support that color as period. And as De suggests, if you were using period methods, then it is reasonable to assume that the color would be period. Annette M Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:59:53 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Hi, Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. And it got a shokking salmon pink. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg I wonder if this would be right for that period. I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times. And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a colour for me. But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . I would love to hear other opinions. Greetings, Deredere ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:08:33 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: <001501c634c7$18415970$6601a8c0@PYC64> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don't know about correct for your project, but the color looks pretty good on you! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question I have to agree with Betsy. The color is beautiful and looks great on you. If it were me I would go for it. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:44:44 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Quoting Deredere Galbraith : > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. I think that the color is gorgeous! > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. Do you know what the latin name is? I can translate! :-S Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:47:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. That sounds like madder root. > It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval > times. > And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a > colour for me. > But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ . > I would love to hear other opinions. Which chemical mordant did you use? Mordants are things like alum, nickel, iron, and I forget the last one. You put the mordant into the dye bath and each chemical gives a different shade of red-orange. You can also pre-treat the cloth with a bath of the mordant and then dye it separately. You can look up which one gives a more red color and try re-dying it with that. There are some good books about natural dyes that you can either order or find in your library. And there are some places online that sell the dye items and mordants that you would need. Sorry I can't tell you any specific books or websites....I haven't done natural dyeing in years! And I agree that the orange isn't a bad color for you..... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:46:25 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20060218144625.rrkdyhusm69wgcwk@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Quoting Deredere Galbraith : > Hi, > > Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut. > And it got a shokking salmon pink. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg > I wonder if this would be right for that period. > > I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name. google is my friend. Looks like Rubia tinctorum -- aka Madder. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:19 -0700 From: "Sue Clemenger" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <002101c634ce$9bdd0b60$5cbfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think the plant you are referring to is known as "madder" in English. I've gotten colors similar to yours in my madder dyeing. It's pretty pH and temperature sensitive. I'm afraid I don't know enough about 12th century costume (and colors thereof) to be able to tell you about the historical accuracy of the color for that kind of gown, though. ;o( --Sue ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:12:11 EST From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:26:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: And it got a shokking salmon pink. **************** Well, you may have been shocked, but I think the salmon pick looks divine! It beautiful. It doesn't look too saturated to not be period. It looks great! ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Uhhh...from what I have heard, they have found clothing scraps that were hot pink in Viking burial grounds. I believe that the they used some kind of lichen to dye it. So I would not assume that a "saturated" color is not period. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:35:32 -0800 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: <000b01c634e4$02c376b0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rose madder? ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:37:09 -0800 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question It may be a period color. Check out tapestries and/or carpets from that time. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:48:26 -0600 From: "otsisto" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Just opinion and not an expert in the period. If you achieved it with a period process, one can assume that it probably was available and possibly worn in that period. In the next century you find pink and pinkish garments in illuminations. I would say since it is a good color on you to not dye it again. Also, though it is a bit bright (probably from the sheen of the fabric) it is not a shocking salmon color. I would not wear the shade of yellow that you have there as it detracts. What you offset this salmon with will determine whether the gown stands out or you. De --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 12:14:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JHEbf3032481 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:14:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JHEXOW015836; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JHDrJZ017107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JHDoRo029132; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:13:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JHDjMb029042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k1JHDaNN016741 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:13:44 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.58 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:13:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52750.64.156.242.58.1140369224.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060219014647.23B765BE@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060219014647.23B765BE@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:13:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] colonial From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:14:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8A77A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > But, if a gown was polonaised, weren't they usually polonaised at/from > the back, not pulling the gown back from the centre front, as this one is? > That is probably the thing which is most wrong about this gown, and > made me think that an attempt had been made to alter it to suit a fashion > from approx. 100 years later. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99693840@N00/101523900/ For the link above - I wish I could see the front a bit better! See the ruching that goes (apparently) all the way up to the neckline? And it's not close to the body, not exact center front. It looks like a gown open from the neck down and worn with a zone, which is kind of like an upside-down stomacher. Instead of a V shape, what shows is an A shape, although the zone may be pointed at the bottom. Since that particular gown sweeps back from the neckline, I think it's dressed correctly. I had not seen polonaised saques, either. (And of course I started looking *after* I made one...) They appear to be fairly rare, since it disrupts the long, flowing line from the back. It seems like polonaising was done different ways and to different degrees, no set rule, and I'm sure some in the 18thC did it badly! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 12:21:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JHLYlO032650 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:21:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JHLWxq018857; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JHKvZn018551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JHKt26035774; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JHKpqD035617 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.105.71fe91c9 (17377) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <105.71fe91c9.312a02e9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:20:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors....was: Re: Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:21:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8A91C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/19/2006 11:33:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: The yellow doesn't go with it very well, ************** I disagree...in a period context. In ages where there were limited dye colors and limited choices of what was available, things weren't so matchy-matchy as today. Our aesthetic is influenced by the fact we have hundreds of vendors at our finger tips. I don't mean that in the past they would just "settle" for chrome yellow with a bright salmon because that's all they could get. No I don't mean that. I mean, they LIKE the two together, maybe because of both of the colors powerful statement. You see these types of combinations everywhere up until the 20th century. [and even now for those who don't want to be "safe"] And of course the amount and placement of color matters. As Schiaparelli knew, a smattering of hot pink with a sea of navy can be very effective. In school we did this wonderful project....my fave! [I know I've described it before]. The "ugly Color" project. We had to pick 2 colors that just looked awful together [the instructor had to approve their incompatibility]. Then we had to fins the 3rd color that, put with the other two, made them all work together. There is always one. Then we had to do a design with these 3 colors. There is a 3rd color that will make the Yellow and Salmon look dangerous but divine! Here are some dangerous combinations from one of my fave artists, Zurbaran, who I just happen to be researching lately. One is very close to the colors we have here.[And these reproductions seem to be muted. The real ones have more vivid color.] _http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/2/casilda.html_ (http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/2/casilda.html) _http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=603_ (http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=603) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 13:33:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JIXiXG002226 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:33:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JIXfOh016586; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:33:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JIXC1n038561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JIX8fv096844; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1J8rThO060429 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 21247 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 08:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 08:53:28 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060219084818.01de0a50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:51:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners In-Reply-To: <000b01c634d3$3dc62f20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000b01c634d3$3dc62f20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:33:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8BA05.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:35 18/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Anybody know of the etiquette for 18th century. When a man is >presented to a lady, and he kisses her hand, does he then actually >kis the hand, or does he just pretend that he is kissing the hand? >I have done both, but not sure wich is correct. > >Bjarne When I worked on a drama/documentary on Victoria and Albert, we had one of the Queen's equerries on set, giving advice on various protocol issues. He showed me that when a man kisses a lady's hand, he does not kiss the hand, but his own thumb! If you get the angle right this is very simple and looks as though you are kissing the hand. I don't know if this was 18th century practice, but was obviously 19th century and up to modern times. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 13:35:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JIZAJq002261 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:35:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JIZ8QS022937; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:35:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JIYrv5039154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:34:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JIYr1X098476; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:34:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JDkgFj079102 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5555.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.85]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 052BCA5006D for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:46:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c6355a$ed73b5f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060218230127.te466b75uksoc0wg@www.goldsword.com> <002b01c63541$801a6e40$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in context Re: FlemishRE: tippets ... 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Status: RO My godnes you really have made a research of this. I would never have dreamed of that there existed so many portraits. Definately i will look at it when i get more time. Bjarne who makes pleated stock cravats, so tedious..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in context Re: FlemishRE: tippets ... >> Of course! Think about Anne of Cleves dress. If all you knew was >> English Tudor, you'd swear that was a Fantasy/Allegorical gown. > > Oh boy... I have discussed this one on my livejournal as I recently read > the > most appalling disection of the sybolism in the painting ... > > I found a quote online which I then tracked down in a bio about Holbein: > About the bands of trim on her skirt, > "The one on her left is not complemented by one on her right. Furthermore, > her right hand and the fall of her left undersleeve draw attention to the > discrepancy. This sends a signal to the viewer that, despite the > ornateness > of the costume, there is something amiss, a certain clumsiness.[...] > Thus 'tait (a) gauche, pas a droit' (band on the left, not on the right') > sounds like 'tres gauche, pas adroit' ('very awkward, not skilful') > > (Firstly do we know if Holbein spoke French?) > > Oh no, let's not look at the rest of the art of the region to see if the > asymmetrical *opening* (not just trimming) is actually a fashion trait. > > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2clevesdd.htm > Lots of openings on the left and the right! > > Anyway, this is what I wrote: > I suspect Holbein succeeded in what he intended: A portrait that spoke the > truth, but people could interpret what they most wanted to believe. Her > gaze > can be seen as reflective and knowing or vacant and dim depending on prior > "knowelege." (To me she looks content at that particular point in time, > but > it doesn't seem to say much more beyond that.) > > We also don't know just what portrait reached Henry first. The miniature > is > said to have been painted after the larger portrait, but it could ahve > been > painted first from the preparatory sketches. Henry may also have seen a > sketch even. > > So indeed, many assumptions can be made when you don't look at context;) > > I am actually working on the gown;) Well the 1560ish one at the top of > each > page. I apologise for the changing colours, I still haven't decided on a > colour scheme. I need to hang out the velveteen that is halfway through > the > bleaching process. > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: > 17/02/2006 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 13:36:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JIaYP7002298 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:36:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JIaV1h017644; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:36:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JIaHlP039608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:36:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JIaHhH099782; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:36:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JGPrVa089246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FArNd-0008E4-6E; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:25:49 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:25:49 -0600 Message-ID: <20060219102549.zkaf6n449lmo48so@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:25:49 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting Chiara Francesca : > http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/34/3463_2.jpg > > This on has long been my favorite. I have been sketching and > searching and sketching these dresses for years hoping to find the > right event to make one for. Sigh, and the time. :( > > Thank you for the new images!!! :) I"m with you; I love them! Sure thing. If indeed these are symbolic/allegorical, I'd like to see the gowns that they were derived from. We all know (thanks to Robin) that the later Sideless Surcoats are largely symbolic, and how they differ from *real* Sideless Surcoats. If this is allegorical garb, I want to find the progenetor! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 14:01:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JJ1H2g002801 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:01:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JJ1EmI026456; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:01:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JJ0pQS046556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JJ0nM1020671; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1JJ0mFd020572 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:00:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 49152 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2006 19:00:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0stvSejj9BqYbz0Rbup9F4inlpFJBZevbEQVOx8jbyYeQ+6l9LGgZqbAH9Am9X3hx+coWoVcz9xVB0BFJZsnq155nu57FqTtMgi3TzS/QGyIuM6ORGkccb6dDPU/EgqmcZhPd61USi/zkGNRTRGpuJ/sHJpJ+JEMBZ+hQrKMvZ8= ; Message-ID: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:00:42 EST Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:00:42 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Mystery Bag X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:01:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8C07A.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In my late night perusals of the web, I had come across this sweet bag. I know it is gold work, and likely 16th c., otherwise I wouldn't have the photo. But for the *life of me* I can't remember where I got it from, thus have no attribution. Since I am using the motif all over everything lately, could everyone search their memories and hopfully come up with the location I originally found this photo at so that I might reattach its attribution and provenance? http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg Thanks so much. Kathy 24 hours away from New York and old underwear... Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 14:15:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JJFPSZ003111 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:15:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JJFKqv031564; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:15:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JJEuVs049148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JJEn0M031343; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JJE7S1031014 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:14:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24737.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.55]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BAF6147FEF1 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:14:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c63588$afd4efb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c634d3$3dc62f20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060219084818.01de0a50@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:14:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:15:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8C3C8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, That was a good idea with the thumb. Ill remember this. A question posted to 18th century womens list, gave the same respond, not kiss the hand, but pretend. I learned from the Gustavians, to hug 3 times kissing outside at the ears of ladies. Muf muf muf. Its a nice habit ;-) Bjarne Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners > At 21:35 18/02/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Anybody know of the etiquette for 18th century. When a man is presented to >>a lady, and he kisses her hand, does he then actually kis the hand, or >>does he just pretend that he is kissing the hand? >>I have done both, but not sure wich is correct. >> >>Bjarne > > > When I worked on a drama/documentary on Victoria and Albert, we had one of > the Queen's equerries on set, giving advice on various protocol issues. He > showed me that when a man kisses a lady's hand, he does not kiss the hand, > but his own thumb! If you get the angle right this is very simple and > looks as though you are kissing the hand. I don't know if this was 18th > century practice, but was obviously 19th century and up to modern times. > > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 14:37:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JJbfhw003802 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:37:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JJbcYk007127; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:37:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JJb4pH053672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JJavTv047884; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:36:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav7.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JJahlk047802 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:36:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:36:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:36:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:36:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2006 19:36:41.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[CED7C010:01C6358B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:37:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8C902.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Very nice bag. I'm interested in making one of them. When you get the documentation, please post it here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: "Historical Costume List" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mystery Bag > In my late night perusals of the web, I had come > across this sweet bag. I know it is gold work, and > likely 16th c., otherwise I wouldn't have the photo. > But for the *life of me* I can't remember where I got > it from, thus have no attribution. Since I am using > the motif all over everything lately, could everyone > search their memories and hopfully come up with the > location I originally found this photo at so that I > might reattach its attribution and provenance? > > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg > > Thanks so much. > > Kathy > 24 hours away from New York and old underwear... > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it. > -Ivan Panin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 15:13:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JKDFVu004661 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:13:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JKDCIj020327; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:13:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JKCg6b059311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JKCe8H075130; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JKCaCj075053 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 39B5A375B5 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:02:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:03:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01f201c6351d$77663af0$060ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:13:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8D159.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm not sure I understand the tree. Is the woman standing the matriarch of the family and the couple sitting at the bottom of the drawing brother and sister or are they the parents and the woman standing the featured descendent? Not as wild as the Swabian. I like the blue dress on the woman just above and to the right of the standing woman. She has an interesting fan. Then again the blue and red to the lower left of the woman's black sleeves are interesting. Thank you for the picture. De -----Original Message----- http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary-store/Components/34/3463_2.jpg This on has long been my favorite. I have been sketching and searching and sketching these dresses for years hoping to find the right event to make one for. Sigh, and the time. :( Thank you for the new images!!! :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 15:14:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JKEEWj004694 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:14:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JKEBUH007095; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:14:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JKDo5d059394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:13:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JKDoW7076006; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:13:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JKDjns075945 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:13:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24737.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.55]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 17755A5004C for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:13:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c63591$0d5c9860$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:14:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:14:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8D193.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO So now i have 4 days to hope my stockings from Jas Townsend will arrive. I know they sended them for me right after i ordered, but its the danish customs that holds them back. They do everything they can to make it inatractive to import from other countryes than the EU sorry just had to get it out of my system........... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 15:38:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JKcebm005282 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:38:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JKccZR029464; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:38:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JKcDx8061930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JKcARe093888; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:38:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JKc6Vh093774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAvJk-0003o3-KS; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:38:04 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:38:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20060219143804.wdj9no5phvwo8000@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:38:04 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > I'm not sure I understand the tree. Is the woman standing the matriarch of > the family and the couple sitting at the bottom of the drawing brother and > sister or are they the parents and the woman standing the featured > descendent? The tree? *giggle* I've never even tried to figure out the tree! I need to see if I can print a copy large enough to read the names -- then it might work. > Not as wild as the Swabian. I suppose! :-) The Swabians do like their beads/pearls, don't they! There's a painting by Part that is very similar I thought that it was Myra that had the whole thing, but she does have some of the pieces parts here http://myra.hem.nu/costume/CostumeGallery/Embroidery_1490/Embroidery_1490.htm Found it! http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.b/b003177.htm > I like the blue dress on the woman just above and to the right of the > standing woman. She has an interesting fan. > Then again the blue and red to the lower left of the woman's black sleeves > are interesting. I love these things. I forget now how many leaves there were originally, I know that at least one of them was never inked in -- but they are a *wealth* of detail! > Thank you for the picture. Hey, as packrat of interesting (but not always useful) information, I feel it's part of my duty to pass it along! :-D Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 16:03:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JL3lxQ005862 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:03:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JL3ij0005856; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:03:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JL3H09065861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JL3Ex6013003; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JL39r5012864 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A634EA1F97 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:03:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43F8DD28.8070105@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:03:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag References: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:03:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8DD30.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathy Page wrote: > > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg > I've looked at dozens of bags in the past two weeks but can't recall that one, sorry. It does look more 17th century (mid-late?) to me than 16th, though. It's metal embroidery, it's symmetrical, there's that stylized scrollwork and leaves... I'm in the process of trying to make one myself. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 16:39:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JLdhkg006722 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:39:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JLdewO018943; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:39:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JLdBAY069670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:39:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JLd7Kf040576; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1JLd2CT040507 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 3339 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 13:39:02 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 3318, pid: 3334, t: 1.7146s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1292 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 13:39:00 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060219133740.023d22f0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:38:57 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag In-Reply-To: <43F8DD28.8070105@reddawn.net> References: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> <43F8DD28.8070105@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:39:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8E59C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:03 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote: >Kathy Page wrote: > >>http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg > >I've looked at dozens of bags in the past two weeks but can't recall >that one, sorry. It does look more 17th century (mid-late?) to me >than 16th, though. It's metal embroidery, it's symmetrical, there's >that stylized scrollwork and leaves... I'm in the process of trying >to make one myself. > >Dawn Could it be 19th century? Part of the Renaissance/medieval revival fashion? Those really heavy tassels look overdone for the 16th-17th century to me. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 17:12:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMCRs8007465 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:12:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMCOqO030199; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:12:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JMC0Cb072596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMBwTX064989; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMBspN064942 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EF1336555 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:11:54 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:12:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060219092449.29873BE6E9@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:12:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8ED48.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I had notice that it was a bit light for a bliaut. Were you planning on making the "mini" pleated type garment with this? If you were going to use it for a regular bliaut and have the lining add the weight, you need to consider the color of the lining when choosing embroidery/trim accents because the color will change. Now for making you look younger, I'm sure that if this fabric does that and you are not happy, there are several women here who would gladly take it of your hands. It would be no problem.:) Shades of green are good as accent. Golds, some blue shades, pinks, silver and gray. You may want to consider two colors for accent but don't have too. Wish I could be as enthusiastic about dyeing like you but I think my enthusiasm went towards embroidery and beading. :) De -----Original--------- Hi, Thanks for the response! I feel a lot happyer now :-) . It also looks better now in daylight. The only problem I have with it is that this colour probably will make me look even jonger than most people alredy think I am... :-\ And I have to look what colour belt and embroidery wil look better on the gown than yellow. I think green would look well. More reasons to dye more fabrik :-) . It is so much fun. Meekrap is indeed madder We used alun as a mordand And dyed it in a copper pan. 20% alun and afther a while I added 200% madder. and then cleaned with water with a little ammonia. I hope it won't ruin the silk. But it looks ok now. It is very thin silk don't know what it is called. Greetings, Deredere > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 17:31:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMVJoc008143 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMVHYh003815; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JMTPuO074383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMTMqu077774; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMTInY077705 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A229360B3 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:29:18 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anne of cleves Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:29:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002b01c63541$801a6e40$0401010a@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8F1B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you the site. I am pulling together material and stuff to make the dress that is not black and gold striped. It will be in purple with the "chest" panel(?) in blue. Your site will help me. If you can slow the colour change down a bit, I think it is a wonderful way of giving others color options so that all those who make this style don't look like movie stunt doubles. De -----Original Message----- http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2clevesdd.htm Lots of openings on the left and the right! michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 17:47:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMlO0a008914 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:47:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMlLP6008839; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JMkbCq076013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMkWSB090198; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:46:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMkSmY090119 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BE1D0359D9 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:46:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:46:35 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060218230127.te466b75uksoc0wg@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:47:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8F579.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I guess they could be buttons but the top of the red seems to be wider then the other panels and it almost looks like there are dots on the other side of the red at the bust. I was thinking that it was similar in treatment to the birth of the virgin dress with the gold whatchamagiggers running down the seams. I may make this (insert evil grin) as I am trying to get a period name passed and so far the "Italian" name hasn't run into problems. So maybe I am destined to have a "Italian" persona in SCA. :\ And I need a 14th century outfit because that is what the majority of the people are around here so for local events I want to blend in some. Now what four colors shall I uses (bwahahahah) De -----Original Message----- > I thought that the dress has a front panel because of the white dots running > down the "seam". I thought that they were buttons! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 17:53:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMrxBH009067 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JMruvZ010930; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JMr8ht076738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMr6Vm095221; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JMr2K3095165 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 759F536034 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:53:01 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Subject: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:53:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8F704.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Perhaps this will help some. http://www.sam-hane.com/sass/handkiss.htm De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 18:08:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JN8ch9009383 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:08:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JN8Z0G015433; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JN88wo078750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JN86qM008058; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1JN81XR007972 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 32496 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 23:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 23:08:00 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060219230219.01dcc960@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:06:02 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:08:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F8FA73.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 22:53 19/02/2006, you wrote: >Perhaps this will help some. >http://www.sam-hane.com/sass/handkiss.htm > >De This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in Britain. Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer to Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most ladies would be wearing gloves, so the actual kiss on the skin of the hand would not happen anyway. Gloves were not taken off when one was introduced to someone. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 18:17:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JNHmHV009581 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:17:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JNHknK018081; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:17:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JNHGL8079696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JNHEhT015808; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JNH9TT015661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:17:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAxnh-0001BI-4F; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:17:09 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:17:09 -0600 Message-ID: <20060219171709.ckzb4b6gvfmsk00g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:17:09 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > I guess they could be buttons but the top of the red seems to be wider then > the other panels and it almost looks like there are dots on the other side > of the red at the bust. I was thinking that it was similar in treatment to > the birth of the virgin dress with the gold whatchamagiggers running down > the seams. If we only knew someone who was going to go see Castle Roncolo/ Runkelstein -- maybe we could get them to take some better pictures! I want a larger picture of this woman! > I may make this (insert evil grin) as I am trying to get a period name > passed and so far the "Italian" name hasn't run into problems. So maybe I am > destined to have a "Italian" persona in SCA. :\ And I need a 14th century > outfit because that is what the majority of the people are around here so > for local events I want to blend in some. Now what four colors shall I uses > (bwahahahah) um, why stop at 4? (more evil grin) you can only see 1/4 of per person, yes? :-D Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 18:20:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JNKJ9c009626 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:20:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1JNKGBW018866; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:20:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JNK3A9080117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JNK3x8018159; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1JNJwo1017959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAxqN-0001LL-Qp; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:19:55 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:19:55 -0600 Message-ID: <20060219171955.07et32k49rwc8s8s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:19:55 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > I guess they could be buttons but the top of the red seems to be wider then > the other panels and it almost looks like there are dots on the other side > of the red at the bust. I was thinking that it was similar in treatment to > the birth of the virgin dress with the gold whatchamagiggers running down > the seams. Another thought ... Could be. Think though of any number of Mundane princess-seam dresses -- the front panel is cut on the fold so it's twice as wide as all the others! Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 19:14:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K0EoB4010724 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:14:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K0ElUL003073; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:14:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1K0EFRS085649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K0EBT6057908; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K0E417057835 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.121.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.121] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FAygl-0006kk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <43F9179C.1020005@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:13:00 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag References: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:14:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F909F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's from the Los Angeles County Museum of Art: Museum Number M.91.165 Classification Term Costume/clothing accessory/purse Artist/Place France Title Woman’s Purse Date 1595 Medium & Technique Silk velvet, metallic thread, pearls, silk taffeta Dimensions Length: 6 1/2 in. (16.51 cm) Credit Line Purchased with funds provided by Claudia Mirkin ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Department Costume and Textiles Place France Subject Purses http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_t02_mm/full/M91_165.jpg Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 19 22:05:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K35rcw014089 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:05:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K35ofm022333; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:05:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1K35D6p008890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K356vu097636; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K352Rk097579 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m130.in-tch.com [216.166.191.130]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1K2uQA29085 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:56:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002a01c635cb$6ec86d60$82bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:12:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:05:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9320E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Mini pleated type garment???" --Sue, missing the reference completely... ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question > I had notice that it was a bit light for a bliaut. Were you planning on > making the "mini" pleated type garment with this? If you were going to use > it for a regular bliaut and have the lining add the weight, you need to > consider the color of the lining when choosing embroidery/trim accents > because the color will change. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 03:50:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K8olSO013718 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:50:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K8oin5011825; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1K8oASF054882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K8o3KU074655; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K8nvjb074550 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 840D3360B3 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:49:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO For balance? Mainly I don't want a post reveler getting dizzy and hurling more colour onto it. :P And thinking of multi- colours, this reminded me of someone I know who made a man's Landsknecht in various Hawaiian print fabric. Bright colors too. De -----Original Message----- um, why stop at 4? (more evil grin) you can only see 1/4 of per person, yes? :-D Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 04:06:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K96QFA015279 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:06:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K96O3J017449; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1K95oi8059849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:05:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K95nO8085158; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:05:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K95hOl085032 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB01731913D for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:05:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:05:42 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060220090537.EB01731913D@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:06:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F98690.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am going for the very pleated version like the statues. The silk holds pleats very wel. I will make it wet and pleat the fabric than let it dry. http://www.bluffton.edu/%7Esullivanm/chartreswest/jambs.html _http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/2/casilda.html_ (http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/2/casilda.html) _http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=603_ (http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=603) These are very inspiring! If I make a green cloak green and make some green embroidery on the yellow belt and put small yellow embroidered bands along the neckline and sleeves... It is for a event caled Knights and Lady's. The story is that the knights just came bak from their crusade and I am showing my new dress my husband brought back for me :-) . otsisto wrote: >I had notice that it was a bit light for a bliaut. Were you planning on >making the "mini" pleated type garment with this? If you were going to use >it for a regular bliaut and have the lining add the weight, you need to >consider the color of the lining when choosing embroidery/trim accents >because the color will change. >Now for making you look younger, I'm sure that if this fabric does that and >you are not happy, there are several women here who would gladly take it of >your hands. It would be no problem.:) >Shades of green are good as accent. Golds, some blue shades, pinks, silver >and gray. You may want to consider two colors for accent but don't have too. >Wish I could be as enthusiastic about dyeing like you but I think my >enthusiasm went towards embroidery and beading. :) > >De >-----Original--------- >Hi, >Thanks for the response! >I feel a lot happyer now :-) . >It also looks better now in daylight. >The only problem I have with it is that this colour probably will make >me look even jonger than most people alredy think I am... :-\ >And I have to look what colour belt and embroidery wil look better on >the gown than yellow. >I think green would look well. >More reasons to dye more fabrik :-) . >It is so much fun. > >Meekrap is indeed madder >We used alun as a mordand >And dyed it in a copper pan. >20% alun and afther a while I added 200% madder. > >and then cleaned with water with a little ammonia. >I hope it won't ruin the silk. >But it looks ok now. > >It is very thin silk don't know what it is called. > >Greetings, > Deredere > > > > >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 04:15:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K9FNvG016132 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:15:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K9FK2j020402; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:15:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1K9EhOW062555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K9EfKd090888; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K9Ec9H090863 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ED0B736128 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:14:37 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:14:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060219230219.01dcc960@127.0.0.1> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:15:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F988A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in Britain. Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer to Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most ladies would be wearing gloves, so the actual kiss on the skin of the hand would not happen anyway. Gloves were not taken off when one was introduced to someone. Suzi __________ As I said "Perhaps" and "some" Please note from the site: "Period books of (American) etiquette state that not removing one's gloves by the gentleman is perfectly proper. If your character is European, however, the gentleman would remove the glove from the hand that takes the lady's." This is more 1800s etiquette and from what little I understand of the period, much of both US coasts were fascinated by European etiquette during the 1800s and tried to emulate it. Perhaps I misread Bjarne's email as I do not remember seeing Britain specified. I apologies for the bandwidth in posting the url. I will definitely make sure that I do not make that mistake again. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 04:41:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K9ewkQ019512 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:40:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K9etDw027940; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:40:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1K9dv72070950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K9dqOY007898; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1K9dlnJ007837 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78668 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 09:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 09:39:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060220093118.01dd12d8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:37:49 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060219230219.01dcc960@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F98EA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:14 20/02/2006, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in Britain. >Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer to >Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most ladies >would be wearing gloves, so the actual kiss on the skin of the hand would >not happen anyway. Gloves were not taken off when one was introduced to >someone. > >Suzi >__________ >As I said "Perhaps" and "some" >Please note from the site: >"Period books of (American) etiquette state that not removing one's gloves >by the gentleman is perfectly proper. If your character is European, >however, the gentleman would remove the glove from the hand that takes the >lady's." >This is more 1800s etiquette and from what little I understand of the >period, much of both US coasts were fascinated by European etiquette during >the 1800s and tried to emulate it. >Perhaps I misread Bjarne's email as I do not remember seeing Britain >specified. I apologies for the bandwidth in posting the url. I will >definitely make sure that I do not make that mistake again. You are right that Bjarne didn't specify British - that was me, trying to make sure that I only spoke of that which I knew. I also said that it was 19th century and on, while Bjarne asked about 18th century. I don't know about that, or about American etiquette, and was too lazy to quote from my 19c. etiquette books. I should have said "ladies did not take their gloves off when introduced to someone." (Actually of course when someone was introduced to them in many situations! Oh, how complicated!) I found the site fascinating but slightly different to what I know, hence my comment about things being different. Suzi Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 04:51:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K9poI8022977 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:51:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1K9plUa031661; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:51:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1K9pIJt074171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K9pFVr015409; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K9p9XR015306 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:51:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1K9p3J18337.; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:51:03 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:51:03 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:50:45 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Fancy Dress Described Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1K9p9XR015306 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:51:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F99133.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, the Debenhams chain took over the local privately owned department store in many English towns. I thought it sounded surprising that the main London store should have closed. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> mrscakehole@hotmail.com 19/02/2006 13:19 >>> It was Dickins and Jones on Regent Street that closed recently, not Debenhams - Debenhams is alive and well and has branches all over the country (Debenhams.com), but is far removed from an old-fashioned department store these days. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 06:29:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KBSwXx011009 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:28:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KBStSn029057; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KBSEMj083371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KBS90w085956; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1KBS4X3085919 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59115 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 11:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 11:28:03 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060220112516.01d657e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:26:06 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Fancy Dress Described In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:28:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9A7F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:50 20/02/2006, you wrote: >Yes, the Debenhams chain took over the local privately owned >department store in many English towns. I thought it sounded >surprising that the main London store should have closed. > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >>> mrscakehole@hotmail.com 19/02/2006 13:19 >>> >It was Dickins and Jones on Regent Street that closed recently, not >Debenhams - Debenhams is alive and well and has branches all over the >country (Debenhams.com), but is far removed from an old-fashioned department >store these days. Yes, I had a blonde moment and got my department stores mixed up. Sorry! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 07:03:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KC3Mka021641 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:03:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KC3KeF008419; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:03:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KC2kL2086017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KC2fqv010311; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:02:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KC2Y9D010183 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1KC2RJ03277.; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:02:27 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:02:27 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:02:19 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Amadeus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1KC2Y9D010183 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:03:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9B008.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> moreplentyn@earthlink.net 13/02/2006 04:15 >>> wrote: >Actually, d'Artagnan was a real person, and was a member, eventually >captain, of the King's Musketeers. However, the historical Charles de >Batz-Castlemore d'Artagnan was born somewhere around 1625 and so most of his >exploits were during the reign of Louis XIV, not Louis XIII. ________________________________________________________ There was a recent article in "History today" putting forward a theory that the Man in the Iron Mask (who also really existed) was in fact d'Artagnan. Gail wrote: >The story of Amadeus has very little to do with the real Mozart. He did not >live in terror of his father, he was very fond of him. And of course Salieri >didn't kill him. And, although he enjoyed schoolboy puns and lavatorial humour in some of his letters (as did his mother), he can't possibly have been like that all the time. I had to stop a colleague of mine from classifying a video of "Amadeus" with biographies of Mozart, under the impression that it was an accurate portrayal. ______________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 09:11:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KEB0h4027243 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:11:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KEAvPr026354; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KEAJQ3001258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KEAF26014144; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KEAAKU013933 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ADBC0258; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:10:04 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 20 Feb 2006 09:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c63627$9ef94ac0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com><43F8DD28.8070105@reddawn.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060219133740.023d22f0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:11:58 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9CDF1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Or even the 19th C? The overall scrolling of the fleur de lis design with the addition of some beading would place this for me, in the 1870s/80s. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag > At 01:03 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote: > >Kathy Page wrote: > > > >>http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg > > > >I've looked at dozens of bags in the past two weeks but can't recall > >that one, sorry. It does look more 17th century (mid-late?) to me > >than 16th, though. It's metal embroidery, it's symmetrical, there's > >that stylized scrollwork and leaves... I'm in the process of trying > >to make one myself. > > > >Dawn > > Could it be 19th century? Part of the Renaissance/medieval revival > fashion? Those really heavy tassels look overdone for the 16th-17th > century to me. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 09:25:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KEPop8027841 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:25:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KEPlXY000361; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:25:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KEPGUK003126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KEPEiF026671; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:25:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KEPB8b026589 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A13E0298; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:25:02 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 20 Feb 2006 09:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c63629$b36d94a0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:26:51 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:25:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9D16B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One of my more droll findings in etiquitte books (American, late 19th C) is a note that ladies never take off their gloves even at a dinnertable...unless the hostess does!! For the nouveu upper middle class, this advice would speak woe to the idea that one might well ruin many pairs of long white kid gloves attending affairs of someone who really was Not In the Know". Kathleen ----- Original wwqMessage ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners > -----Original Message----- > This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in Britain. > Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer to > Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most ladies > would be wearing gloves, so the actual kiss on the skin of the hand would > not happen anyway. Gloves were not taken off when one was introduced to > someone. > > Suzi > __________ > As I said "Perhaps" and "some" > Please note from the site: > "Period books of (American) etiquette state that not removing one's gloves > by the gentleman is perfectly proper. If your character is European, > however, the gentleman would remove the glove from the hand that takes the > lady's." > This is more 1800s etiquette and from what little I understand of the > period, much of both US coasts were fascinated by European etiquette during > the 1800s and tried to emulate it. > Perhaps I misread Bjarne's email as I do not remember seeing Britain > specified. I apologies for the bandwidth in posting the url. I will > definitely make sure that I do not make that mistake again. > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 09:53:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KErP0q028440 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:53:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KErMxa011653; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:53:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KEqYrk006546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KEqThZ048969; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1KEqMM8048879 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 31262 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 14:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 14:52:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060220144829.01dcc7e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:50:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners In-Reply-To: <006f01c63629$b36d94a0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <006f01c63629$b36d94a0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:53:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9D7E2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:26 20/02/2006, you wrote: >One of my more droll findings in etiquitte books (American, late 19th C) is >a note that ladies never take off their gloves even at a >dinnertable...unless the hostess does!! For the nouveu upper middle class, >this advice would speak woe to the idea that one might well ruin many pairs >of long white kid gloves attending affairs of someone who really was Not In >the Know". Ah, but if you had gloves which buttoned at the wrist, you could undo the buttons, and tuck the "hand" part into the rest of the glove. Thus, while technically not removing your gloves, you actually didn't get them in the soup - or whatever. Suzi > > -----Original Message----- > > This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in >Britain. > > Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer >to > > Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most >ladies > > would be wearing gloves, so the actual kiss on the skin of the hand would > > not happen anyway. Gloves were not taken off when one was introduced to > > someone. > > > > Suzi > > __________ > > As I said "Perhaps" and "some" > > Please note from the site: > > "Period books of (American) etiquette state that not removing one's gloves > > by the gentleman is perfectly proper. If your character is European, > > however, the gentleman would remove the glove from the hand that takes the > > lady's." > > This is more 1800s etiquette and from what little I understand of the > > period, much of both US coasts were fascinated by European etiquette >during > > the 1800s and tried to emulate it. > > Perhaps I misread Bjarne's email as I do not remember seeing Britain > > specified. I apologies for the bandwidth in posting the url. I will > > definitely make sure that I do not make that mistake again. > > De > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 10:16:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KFGDdx028907 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:16:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KFGA2q021328; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KFFFif009053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KFFAMm068530; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KFF6nW068482 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29251 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:15:04 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in context Re: FlemishRE: tippets ... Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:15:02 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in context Re: FlemishRE: tippets ... Thread-Index: AcY1Qbz/SjA8CnazRA6ZewxrdnmEGAA7IdKA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1KFF6nW068482 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:16:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9DD3A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the info on Anne of Cleves portrait by Holbein. Tudor costume is my big area of interest and Anne of Cleves(by reason of her short tenure as queen consort)has gotten short shift by historians. Historians have interpreted Henry's reaction to Anne has been interpreted from everything from literal dislike to what he had been informed about Anne to second thoughts about the Cleavian alliance. He has been criticized about being very picky about his wives, having personal contact and knowledge with five of the six well before marriage, which was certainly rare with European monarchs. However his grandfather, Edward IV, certainly married for love/physical attraction, and his father, Henry VII, had the luck that Elizabeth of York fit the mold of physical attractiveness in a queen, even though he had promised to marry her, sight unseen. So there was an recent English tradition of kings marrying for "love" as opposed to the more usual dynastic/foreign relations reasons. And poor Henry was hit with the royal reality of Anne being the antithesis of his mother and grandmother; his grandmother had raised him and a woman with little formal education, a large physical presence, and no points in common interests with Henry, was unlikely to be attractive to him in any case. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 10:39:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KFdcZG029405 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:39:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KFdao9030836; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:39:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KFd6Zv011869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KFd3hx089808; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KFcwH1089685 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:39:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.181] (pm5-181.eos.net [205.133.149.181]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1KFcr19005870 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:38:53 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:26:57 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602201410.k1KEAFcf014159@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: iron mask X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:39:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9E2B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kate Bunting wrote: > There was a recent article in "History today" putting forward a theory that > the Man in the Iron Mask (who also really existed) was in fact d'Artagnan. A book on this subject that I really enjoyed is "The Man Behind the Iron Mask," by John Noone. It was published by St. Martin's Press and came out in 1988. I don't know how this man is regarded as a scholar, but I remember the book as very thorough. Noone examined all the evidence and (spoiler alert!!!) concluded that there was no prisoner in an iron mask, but there was a prisoner who wore a mask when he was transported, and whom the jailer liked to hint was very important indeed. Noone identifies who he thinks it was, but puts the whole iron mask thing into the category of exaggeration and legend. I must say, that makes the most sense, but it's not very romantic! The book includes very good overviews of all the popular theories, as well as a good bibliography, maps, a chronology of related events, etc. I recommend it. Costume content: none. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 11:39:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KGdMfi030897 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:39:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KGdJJl024479; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KGcRGa020063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KGcKew048118; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1KGcE4m047918 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28944 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2006 16:38:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6VIbjbopKuhhZ0c7sFf0Z/FoRqH0/9nkoDEsfzb1HQRk8zXxCahA8lA3xAlVb8C/8VJwp4WOio+G/HC7ZUMiD6LU88ykyArSsVVaky8o8RfpVGDn+OTjGA+xXiGkSyuXSyDBUNku41ByPfIaM9X+kNGqeRcWDwxeBnU1yUKDUKc= ; Message-ID: <20060220163809.28942.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:38:09 PST Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602172216.k1HMFVWQ052101@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: thoughts about civil war and colonial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:39:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43F9F0B7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Civil war Lu Ann Thanks for that anectdotal ... I hope I qualified it enough, because IT was something I'd "Heard". Knowing the various southern state's possessive nature (even now) It made anthropoligial and sociological sense to me. Knowing the south's nature to treasure relics that makes sense too , ...but these were uniforms that were never used, and did not attain that "true treasure of the lost cause" status. Colonial There was someting about that dress that said Altered? to me too. Soomething about the waist not being 18th cent. not being abel see it for real, and not having examined too much real stuff in person, only pictures I dismissed these thoughts as it being on a dressform that was more 20th century Mia in CHarlotte --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > For balance? Mainly I don't want a post reveler getting dizzy and hurling > more colour onto it. :P snicker. probably a good thought. > And thinking of multi- colours, this reminded me of someone I know who made > a man's Landsknecht in various Hawaiian print fabric. Bright colors too. > Sounds like something Lord Joel woulh have done ..... Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:09:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KI9aGS000611 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:09:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KI9XVW031781; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:09:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KI90W8034814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KI8un6038993; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KI8ost038834 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:08:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:08:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c630d5$7f43e0c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kelly/Estellas projekt Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:08:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2006 18:08:46.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[B15EE7D0:01C63648] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA05DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry for taking so long to reply to this. I chose Janet Arnold's method of making the wheel because it uses the least amount of fabric. This has been a pet project of mine for some time. I believe that if you had to weave the fabric yourself, then you wouldn't waste any of it. So a lot of my theories are based around trying to come up with a cutting method that has little watse fabric. I like how Ninya uses the short bones down the centrefront edges though, and will try that out as mine are collapsing at the moment. I also need to make yet another bum roll, mine *still* isn't large enough! If I can talk my spousal unit into some web work this evening, there will be more photos up soon. I know how to make web pages, but this is his thing, so I have to wait for him ;-) Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kelly/Estellas projekt > Yeah! I am so glad to see someone else doing these types of gowns. In > doing "A Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" *http://tinyurl.com/87qbb * > we also chose to put the corset front under the farthingale. Now the > front of this farthingale is flat. In my research I found some wheels > depicted as being rather sharply tillted to the back but more often they > were not, which made me wonder if it wasn't the artists way of trying to > show what was going on behind in portraiture. Many of the effigies with > smaller wheels are pretty flat, which gives a prettty good 3D idea of what > they looked like. Ninya Mikhalia on the other hand looks like she places > most of her's on the outside. > http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/wheelfarthingales.html > I didn't care much for Hunisett's wheel construction. I made several up, > but chose to go with Ninya's way of doing them. Unfortunaely when doing a > flat front the tension isn't great enough to keep the fabric nice and > taut, so I chose to cover the cotuil with a little batting and the silk. > I look forward to seeing more of your work! > > Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:14:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIEeui000772 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:14:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIEcKD001585; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KIEFmS035723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIEBVa044831; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1KIE7Eo044682 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74904 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2006 18:14:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rofRfFOW/1yd9jSyx0C48qHLqZmxwFzIKU2gwp9Y//PrJqKHIpuy61d+5ezIrEV/8l0+tNTkWp4llKKhti//jlKp0ElC9ovxlEf452fHcHfB/WzvmTt1eVxdGvNm8nCWFzTgRBVWf5wwTBPtwteQYajgFDUsXt9z7xaiAtZUmdg= ; Message-ID: <20060220181402.74902.qmail@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:14:02 PST Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602060000.k1600SOu086340@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA070E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One of the local theater groups in Santa Rosa, CA, is also doing Urinetown. Is this yet another production, or is this being costumed by one of you? If the latter, it gives me even greater incentive to go. :-) ~mary (Sorry for the late reply, I got behind on this list and I'm still trying to catch up....) h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:00:20 -0400 From: "Kelly Grant" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear/Urinetown What is this...the year for depression era Urinetown???We're doing the same sho for the final one of the season...we'll get the scetches next week! Kelly >From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 > >Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the >depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a >production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era >feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's >actually the future, I believe). > >I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps >someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my >inspiration. > >As always, thanks in advance. > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >Theatrical Costume Design «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. 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Status: RO hello, Does anyone know what time the Pirates of the Caribbean was supposedly set in? It's not my period. My kids want costumes to wear to the premier this summer of Pirates part deaux. Thanks! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:37:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIbE8p001310 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:37:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIb9fG012655; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:37:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KIVpWH038964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIVn2D063713; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K7OPn9001257 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E4BF34BF1 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:24:25 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:24:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002a01c635cb$6ec86d60$82bfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:37:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA0C55.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't have any sites in particular to show you and I do not know the term. But there are garments for which I have heard refered to as bliauts. The material looks like the Fortune' material or the very fine pleating of some Landesknecht hemd. The statue on the left, note the skirt. http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~lwittie/sca/garb/bliaut.html This site says that light weight silks were used to make bliauts so never mind about what I said about the light weight salmon silk. http://web.comhem.se/~u41200125/greenbliaut.html De -----Original Message----- "Mini pleated type garment???" --Sue, missing the reference completely... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:38:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIc1Eh001348 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:38:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIbxCx015423; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:38:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KIbUlv039805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIbSux069243; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K9cD0x006808 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2474f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.79]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 68376A50059 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:38:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c63601$6aead580$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:38:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=24% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA0C87.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi De, No it was fine that you sended the URL. I read all of it, finds it interresting reading. This is important to learn all those rules and unwritten manners, i was glad you sended it, Thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners > -----Original Message----- > This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in > Britain. > Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer > to > Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most > ladies > would be wearing gloves, so the actual kiss on the skin of the hand would > not happen anyway. Gloves were not taken off when one was introduced to > someone. > > Suzi > __________ > As I said "Perhaps" and "some" > Please note from the site: > "Period books of (American) etiquette state that not removing one's gloves > by the gentleman is perfectly proper. If your character is European, > however, the gentleman would remove the glove from the hand that takes the > lady's." > This is more 1800s etiquette and from what little I understand of the > period, much of both US coasts were fascinated by European etiquette > during > the 1800s and tried to emulate it. > Perhaps I misread Bjarne's email as I do not remember seeing Britain > specified. I apologies for the bandwidth in posting the url. I will > definitely make sure that I do not make that mistake again. > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:39:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIdoCc001388 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:39:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIdm7S013975; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:39:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KIdHXA040096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:39:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIdHPZ071250; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:39:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KE7Pl4011219 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD130170; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:07:15 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 20 Feb 2006 09:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c63627$3500b0e0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060219190042.49150.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> <43F8DD28.8070105@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:08:59 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:39:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA0CF4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah, but what I find interesting about this piece besides the outer design is the placement of the tassels...and their possible function. I may be off the wall, but because of the slowness of total vision as the picture came up on my screen, I viewed the tassels attachment as a possibly second set of drawer strings, which would make the pouching double (ie. two compartments). Hmmm Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag > Kathy Page wrote: > > > > > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg > > > > I've looked at dozens of bags in the past two weeks but can't recall > that one, sorry. It does look more 17th century (mid-late?) to me than > 16th, though. It's metal embroidery, it's symmetrical, there's that > stylized scrollwork and leaves... I'm in the process of trying to make > one myself. > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:44:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIiGJm001479 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:44:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIiDpI016063; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:44:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KIg6jM040634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:42:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIfx60074508; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KG0wq6010708 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.30]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FBDT7-0007YZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <8130531.1140451257424.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:00:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:44:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA0DFD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It might be useful to Bjarne to know that in 1775 in England, at least, hand-kissing was not necessarily literal. Witness this dialogue from Richard Brinsley Sheridan's "The Rivals." Bob Acres, a country squire eager to appear sophisticated during a visit to Bath, is meeting with his acquaintance Sir Lucius O'Trigger, a landed Irish gentleman of old-fashioned manners: Enter Sir Lucius. SIR LUCIUS: Mr. Acres, I am delighted to embrace you. ACRES: My dear Sir Lucius, I kiss your hands. It is probable that no embracing or hand-kissing actually takes place, but that these are merely verbal expressions of good-will. (Indeed, the moment on stage is much more delicious if the two gentlemen making these statements are standing half a room apart!) So between a gentleman and a lady in 1775 I would imagine (on this theatrical basis) that hand-kissing would be essentially a courtly gesture rather than necessarily a lip-to-flesh experience, and bowing low over the lady's hand would do. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:45:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIjLdi001499 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KIjIcu020380; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:45:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KIhXDA040962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIhTQx076088; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1K34RWk096898 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([162.83.127.121]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUY004EETVE63E9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:04:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:04:25 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <008801c635ca$5b2512a0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000b01c634d3$3dc62f20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060219084818.01de0a50@127.0.0.1> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:45:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA0E3E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello All, I was hesitating to answer this question, as I have no documentation to prove the point. What I can say is that I do work in the !8th Century, and at work I was taught the prop[er procedure is to kiss the air, or blow across the hand, not to make any actual contact. I suspect the kissing ones own hand is simply another version of the same concept. R Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes and manners > At 21:35 18/02/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Anybody know of the etiquette for 18th century. When a man is presented to >>a lady, and he kisses her hand, does he then actually kis the hand, or >>does he just pretend that he is kissing the hand? >>I have done both, but not sure wich is correct. >> >>Bjarne > > > When I worked on a drama/documentary on Victoria and Albert, we had one of > the Queen's equerries on set, giving advice on various protocol issues. He > showed me that when a man kisses a lady's hand, he does not kiss the hand, > but his own thumb! If you get the angle right this is very simple and > looks as though you are kissing the hand. I don't know if this was 18th > century practice, but was obviously 19th century and up to modern times. > > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 13:48:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KImkg3001588 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:48:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KImil4018263; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:48:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KIgxIE040846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:42:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIgvlX075550; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KIJGbF050447 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x29so679164nfb for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:19:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jzI1GP6r1pLdY9kQjdn0+j4at7TO+mR+/Agn/wyjRjMXAEvdIa5t77obIdcC91qFXZEDtWovZywrFOYxfGRahC1HNW6xz+aNYc3v1iYSjXgrsYgWXwwehvVm6kEwFi1gBJ+h6rYQMNHipLR7C/hjW0J2AbAC1cygG94Xb5s/8+4= Received: by 10.49.21.16 with SMTP id y16mr1291787nfi; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:19:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:19:14 +0000 From: Caroline To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:48:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA0F0C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1KImkg3001588 Status: RO I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from? Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know. -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 14:33:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KJXChf002707 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:33:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KJX9IR006434; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:33:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KJWcX3048651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KJWWN9025887; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:32:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KJWPEr025690 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24119 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:03:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:03:45 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:33:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA1975.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Caroline wrote: > I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does > anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from? > > Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know. I'd like to know, too, whether anyone doing historic costume would have a use for silk chiffon or organza in various colors ... they're going for a song at the fabric store where I work, which is in its last week of business before moving. If they're useful, I'll pick them up for resale. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 14:51:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KJpr0l003251 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:51:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KJppeF015584; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:51:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KJivPk050522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KJitn9039162; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1KJipFP039089 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:44:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 16315 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 19:43:06 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:43:06 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1289.67.169.138.79.1140464786.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <7E63CB2B-A3A0-4BC5-868F-35777EA6B83C@alfalfapress.com> References: <7E63CB2B-A3A0-4BC5-868F-35777EA6B83C@alfalfapress.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] DATE FOR Pirates o' de Carib From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:51:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA1DD7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > hello, > > Does anyone know what time the Pirates of the Caribbean was > supposedly set in? It's not my period. My kids want costumes to > wear to the premier this summer of Pirates part deaux. It looks like mid-1700's. I am sure that they didn't pick a specific time to portray but colonial America costumes would work. Here is a girl's outfit: http://snipurl.com/mrip Here's a boy's pirate outfit: http://snipurl.com/mrin or boy's & girl's pirate outfit: http://snipurl.com/mrio And for misses' and adult sizes, Butterick seems to have the better costumes. Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 15:57:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KKvFrp004676 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:57:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KKvDd1014108; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KKuaoc058496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KKuVgp011063; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KKuS4q011005 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x29so701479nfb for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:56:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FaaULv/y7myg1fqCqU/u6r47gfuF+Hmo0B9lwout3H+bggUQi9HPgslYsMEkFVz4Ova0IGtZ4t0n67SFMCF7IS+T2QEfJmfPHcxT7huvfyKLH7AK427J2vb597/Qyr4+jCQmr4nETcCvj6kwOk7ELGUVizZW5Rx4o9SketoDXOM= Received: by 10.49.8.13 with SMTP id l13mr1055216nfi; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:56:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:56:27 +0000 From: Caroline To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:57:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA2D29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1KKvFrp004676 Status: RO The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the Luttrell Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on horseback page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a transparent white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle. There are some very fine silk fabrics in the Textiles and Clothing (London finds) but I was hoping for some historical perspective. http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html On 20/02/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Caroline wrote: > > > I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does > > anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from? > > > > Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know. > > I'd like to know, too, whether anyone doing historic costume would have a > use for silk chiffon or organza in various colors ... they're going for a > song at the fabric store where I work, which is in its last week of > business before moving. If they're useful, I'll pick them up for resale. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 16:11:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KLBnW6004973 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:11:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KLBlSF020371; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:11:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KLBEL2061023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KLBCtt026552; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1KLB8Xi026483 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 9831 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 13:11:08 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 9814, pid: 9815, t: 3.8103s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1292 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 13:11:04 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:11:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com> References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> <37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:11:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA3093.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would expect the wimples and veils to be fine linen, in this case. Joan At 12:56 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: >The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the Luttrell >Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on horseback >page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a transparent >white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle. > >There are some very fine silk fabrics in the Textiles and Clothing (London >finds) but I was hoping for some historical perspective. > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > >On 20/02/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Caroline wrote: > > > > > I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does > > > anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from? > > > > > > Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know. > > > > I'd like to know, too, whether anyone doing historic costume would have a > > use for silk chiffon or organza in various colors ... they're going for a > > song at the fabric store where I work, which is in its last week of > > business before moving. If they're useful, I'll pick them up for resale. > > > > --Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >-- >Caroline > >"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop >playing." >G B Shaw >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 16:25:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KLPZP7005242 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:25:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KLPXqx025887; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:25:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KLPGsn063223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KLPCqR041008; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KLP96K040893 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:25:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:25:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:25:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:25:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2006 21:25:05.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E19BAB0:01C63664] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:25:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA33CD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1KLPZP7005242 Status: RO My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547. Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They seem very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. What do you call these kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the sleeves? I found several sites that had sleeve variations but none like these. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 17:18:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KMITYb006538 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:18:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KMIQl6013413; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:18:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KMHjB2073203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:17:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KMHfZq096017; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KMHaX5095847 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.156.60379cf5 (15875) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-r25 (mblk-r25.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.15]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343fa3ff426f; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:17:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:17:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8C804828F49A266-A88-9D3A@mblk-r25.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602201901.k1KJ1D9G095032@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-r25.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.15) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:17:24 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602201901.k1KJ1D9G095032@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.15 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: DATE FOR pirates o' de Carib X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:18:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA4032.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I believe the verdict has been that although many of the characters are well-dressed for their time period, each character seems to have a different time period, ranging from the 1680s through the 1750s or thereabouts. And the pirate characters have a mix of lovely authentic garments mixed with completely fantasy ones in the same outfits. Here are a couple of good sites about the costumes: http://www.kipar.org/piratical-resources/potc-costumes.html http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_potc.shtml http://www.outnow.ch/Media/Img/2003/PiratesOfTheCaribbean/ And don't forget www.gentlemenoffortune.com for some real research into what pirates would have worn. Tea Rose P.S. My friends and I are going to be pirates for Costume Con. If you'd like a list of resources and vendors we're using for our costumes, let me know off-list. From: Althea Turner Subject: [h-cost] DATE FOR Pirates o' de Carib Does anyone know what time the Pirates of the Caribbean was supposedly set in? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 17:52:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KMqe0i007328 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:52:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KMqclH025300; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:52:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KMqEFQ078795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:52:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KMq9hq030529; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1KMq4Ox030413 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 21654 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 23:54:10 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:54:10 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:53:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:53:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:52:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA4836.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her > costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547. > Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They > seem very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html I saw this painting in the National Portrait Gallery London several years ago and the main dress is reddish orange and the forepart and lower sleeves are gold velvet cutwork. > I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. The bodice is pointed and the skirt is attached. The skirt is flat in front and has cartridge or knife pleats starting at the sides. It would have a full back skirt and probably a train. >What do you call these > kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the > sleeves? I don't think the sleeves have a particular name other than maybe "tudor sleeves". The over sleeve (reddish orange) is a very large bell shape which was probably a revival of the medieval bell sleeves. They are then folded back and pinned on the upper arm. The lower sleeves (gold cutwork) are debated as to how they are made. My research found that they are a separate sleeve accent that probably ties to a ribbon on the inside of the bell sleeve. It can be a round-ish stuffed ball or a finished fancy fabric that folds over the arm and ties on the bottom. There is a different tudor portait that shows that there is a corner showing near the elbow. So it would seem that the sleeves do not extend all the way to the top of the arm. I can send you a picture of my lower sleeves and whole tudor outfit if you want to e-mail me privately. Hope that helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 18:08:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KN8VQH007750 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:08:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KN8S1C030794; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KN7q20080426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KN7mH5045098; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KN7iqX045037 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B0C9365D0 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:07:43 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in context Re:FlemishRE: tippets ... Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:07:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:08:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA4BED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It was said that Henry VIII had problems with Anne's Germanic body shape and was heard to once comment that her form was that of a whore. It seems he preferred the small breasted, virginal looking body with his women. This was from a BBC program on Henry. De -----Original Message----- Thanks for the info on Anne of Cleves portrait by Holbein. Tudor costume is my big area of interest and Anne of Cleves(by reason of her short tenure as queen consort)has gotten short shift by historians. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 18:39:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KNdQqg008574 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:39:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KNdOBN008202; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:39:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KNc3mF083860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNbxxW072498; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNbtRe072443 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 39807365C2 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:37:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] DATE FOR Pirates o' de Carib Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:38:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1289.67.169.138.79.1140464786.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:39:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA532C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO About mid 1700s though it looks like it could be getting into the late 1700s. Some patterns. Standard halloween http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B3236=x&TI=10 013&page=8 B3236 A bit cheeze but you can alter it. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B6295=x&TI=10 013&page=9 http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4163.htm?tab=costumes&page=4 Men and boys http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4626.htm?tab=costumes&page=3 If a bit more serious http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat62.html http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat60.html http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html Didn't see girl size but http://www.longago.com/colonialwomen.html Children http://www.longago.com/colonialchildren.html De -----Original Message----- > hello, > > Does anyone know what time the Pirates of the Caribbean was > supposedly set in? It's not my period. My kids want costumes to > wear to the premier this summer of Pirates part deaux. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 18:44:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KNiejH008668 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:44:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KNiaf6009833; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:44:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KNg59f084238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNfEuS075167; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNeOpZ074518 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:40:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:40:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:40:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2006 23:40:20.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[02FA6410:01C63677] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:44:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5464.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are attached. There is no strap showing. Is the pearl necklace in her bodice or is it attached to the edges of a very translarent partlet? One description said the beading trim was attached to the under layer. What under layer? Was it attached to a chemise or smock? I don't see any of it except for the poofs of white. I found a pdf of the costume by Nina ????. It has a white chemise with blackwork on it as suggested undergarments. Is this right? I don't know. Since she does so much research and garb work, I assume she knows what she is talking about in this portrait. Is she wearing earrings or is the trim on her hood? I found the perfect cloth that is the same color and pattern in the portrait. That was a big start on the costume. I don't know if i can find gfabric for the front and undersleeves. I guess I could embroider it myself. I'd rather not have to do that much work by hand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > >> My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her >> costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547. >> Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They >> seem very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html > > I saw this painting in the National Portrait Gallery London several years > ago and the main dress is reddish orange and the forepart and lower > sleeves are gold velvet cutwork. > >> I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. > > The bodice is pointed and the skirt is attached. The skirt is flat in > front and has cartridge or knife pleats starting at the sides. It would > have a full back skirt and probably a train. > >>What do you call these >> kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the >> sleeves? > > I don't think the sleeves have a particular name other than maybe "tudor > sleeves". The over sleeve (reddish orange) is a very large bell shape > which was probably a revival of the medieval bell sleeves. They are then > folded back and pinned on the upper arm. > > The lower sleeves (gold cutwork) are debated as to how they are made. My > research found that they are a separate sleeve accent that probably ties > to a ribbon on the inside of the bell sleeve. It can be a round-ish > stuffed ball or a finished fancy fabric that folds over the arm and ties > on the bottom. > > There is a different tudor portait that shows that there is a corner > showing near the elbow. So it would seem that the sleeves do not extend > all the way to the top of the arm. > > I can send you a picture of my lower sleeves and whole tudor outfit if you > want to e-mail me privately. > > Hope that helps! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 18:47:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KNlpP2008706 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:47:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KNlnCA010813; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:47:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KNjrN0084780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNjpdX079312; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNjkT0079251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25739 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FBKj4-0000YD-9l for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:45:54 -0600 Message-ID: <004501c63677$c7384680$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in contextRe:FlemishRE: tippets ... 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" > It was said that Henry VIII had problems with Anne's Germanic body shape > and > was heard to once comment that her form was that of a whore. It seems he > preferred the small breasted, virginal looking body with his women. This > was > from a BBC program on Henry. > De Interesting--I've always heard from "Them" that it was sort of the other way around; H8 got the impression of a nicely rounded woman from Holbein's painting, then found himself with a thin, non-curvy woman... at which point he supposedly got mad at Holbein and fired him. Has anyone else heard this version? The other version does make sense, based on the portraits of his other wives (except CofA). -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:00:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L00ARq008957 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:00:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L008bZ014418; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:00:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KNwFEK086295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNwBoQ090343; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KNw5cU090230 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:58:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8666D36643 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:58:05 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mystery Bag Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:58:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003d01c63627$9ef94ac0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:00:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5808.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My impression was mid to late 1500s. Though the tassels are something that I would have seen on some Germanic pouches. http://www.ledermuseum.de/vollbild/seiten/42_e.htm De -----Original Message----- Or even the 19th C? The overall scrolling of the fleur de lis design with the addition of some beading would place this for me, in the 1870s/80s. Kathleen > >Kathy Page wrote: > > > >>http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:06:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L05sXJ009035 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:05:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L05q88016306; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:05:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L05Oap087790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:05:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L05MXB097604; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/LgCkItwfSw5zYm1EBeGy+dUJgB2Ddb+A@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L05Hmp097518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1L05BHo026849 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:05:11 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id k1L05BxZ026847 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:05:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:05:11 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20060221000511.GA26345@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <200602202304.k1KN4Qme041964@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200602202304.k1KN4Qme041964@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:05:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5960.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:03:45 -0600 (CST) > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Caroline wrote: > > > I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does > > anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from? > > > > Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know. > > I'd like to know, too, whether anyone doing historic costume would have a > use for silk chiffon or organza in various colors ... they're going for a > song at the fabric store where I work, which is in its last week of > business before moving. If they're useful, I'll pick them up for resale. > > --Robin > > I can always use natural or white organza for linings, or dye it for some other purpose! I could probably use chiffon, too. I bet others feel the same way, especially those who don't only do period costuming, or aren't extremely anal about authenticity. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:06:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L06Z37009058 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:06:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L06WX9006808; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:06:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L068jo087881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L067ur098269; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1L063rA098179 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 64080 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 00:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 00:06:02 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060220235854.01dd8538@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:05:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth In-Reply-To: References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:06:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5989.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:40 20/02/2006, you wrote: >Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are >attached. There is no strap showing. Is the pearl necklace in her >bodice or is it attached to the edges of a very translarent partlet? >One description said the beading trim was attached to the under >layer. What under layer? Was it attached to a chemise or smock? I >don't see any of it except for the poofs of white. >I found a pdf of the costume by Nina ????. It has a white chemise >with blackwork on it as suggested undergarments. Is this right? I >don't know. Since she does so much research and garb work, I assume >she knows what she is talking about in this portrait. >Is she wearing earrings or is the trim on her hood? >I found the perfect cloth that is the same color and pattern in the >portrait. That was a big start on the costume. I don't know if i can >find gfabric for the front and undersleeves. I guess I could >embroider it myself. I'd rather not have to do that much work by hand. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:53 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > >> >>>My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her >>>costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547. >>>Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They >>>seem very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html >> >>I saw this painting in the National Portrait Gallery London several years >>ago and the main dress is reddish orange and the forepart and lower >>sleeves are gold velvet cutwork. >> >>>I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. >> >>The bodice is pointed and the skirt is attached. The skirt is flat in >>front and has cartridge or knife pleats starting at the sides. It would >>have a full back skirt and probably a train. >> >>>What do you call these >>>kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the >>>sleeves? >> >>I don't think the sleeves have a particular name other than maybe "tudor >>sleeves". The over sleeve (reddish orange) is a very large bell shape >>which was probably a revival of the medieval bell sleeves. They are then >>folded back and pinned on the upper arm. >> >>The lower sleeves (gold cutwork) are debated as to how they are made. My >>research found that they are a separate sleeve accent that probably ties >>to a ribbon on the inside of the bell sleeve. It can be a round-ish >>stuffed ball or a finished fancy fabric that folds over the arm and ties >>on the bottom. >> >>There is a different tudor portait that shows that there is a corner >>showing near the elbow. So it would seem that the sleeves do not extend >>all the way to the top of the arm. >> >>I can send you a picture of my lower sleeves and whole tudor outfit if you >>want to e-mail me privately. >> >>Hope that helps! The "cutwork" is actually described by Janet Arnold as "cloth of gold" and you can see the tiny "purles" close up, like little springs. You will find patterns for sleeves like this in Hunnisett, "Period Costume for "Stage and Screen 1500-1800". I believe Ninya Mikhaila may have sleeves like this too, but her book has not yet been published as far as I know.The Hunnisett sleeves do work - I've used the pattern several times, and she gives several variations. You can see a version of the sleeves here http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=/henry-Vlll-and-anne-boleyn.jpg These are pinned very high on the arm as the young lady was using a bow on the day the photo was taken. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:12:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0CN4J009188 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0CLFW018346; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0BtWn088872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0BtTe003491; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KJprfM045883 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:51:48 -0800 Message-ID: <43FA1DE3.5050209@msn.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:52:03 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kelly/Estellas projekt References: <001601c630d5$7f43e0c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2006 19:51:48.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[15D2A9A0:01C63657] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5AE5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO kelly grant wrote: > I like how Ninya uses the short bones down the centrefront edges > though, and will try that out as mine are collapsing at the moment. I > also need to make yet another bum roll, mine *still* isn't large enough! Something we discovered in the process of making the bumroll is that you can forsake a very large one (if you read my notes you will see it isn't really necessary) provided you stuff it very hard and make use of the bumpad underneath it. I stuff mine the way I stuff cloth sculptured dolls. Very firm-I see many bumrolls that are really squishy....just doesn't work as well. > > If I can talk my spousal unit into some web work this evening, there > will be more photos up soon. I know how to make web pages, but this > is his thing, so I have to wait for him ;-) Looking forward to it!. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:12:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0CPLw009191 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0CNh8009285; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0Bl6O088834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:11:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0BhNr003284; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KJbJpW031037 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.31]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BFE4347FEC9 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:37:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003501c63655$1b60da10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8130531.1140451257424.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5AE7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for all your responses to my questions. It has ben interresting reading for me. I am preparing myself in manners because i am going to visit Mauritia and Kim Kirchner in Germany at next weekend. They are having a costume party weekend, and i have butterflies in my belly because i look so much forwards to this. Thanks all Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners > It might be useful to Bjarne to know that in 1775 in England, at least, > hand-kissing was not necessarily literal. Witness this dialogue from > Richard Brinsley Sheridan's "The Rivals." Bob Acres, a country squire > eager to appear sophisticated during a visit to Bath, is meeting with his > acquaintance Sir Lucius O'Trigger, a landed Irish gentleman of > old-fashioned manners: > > Enter Sir Lucius. > SIR LUCIUS: Mr. Acres, I am delighted to embrace you. > ACRES: My dear Sir Lucius, I kiss your hands. > > It is probable that no embracing or hand-kissing actually takes place, but > that these are merely verbal expressions of good-will. (Indeed, the moment > on stage is much more delicious if the two gentlemen making these > statements are standing half a room apart!) > So between a gentleman and a lady in 1775 I would imagine (on this > theatrical basis) that hand-kissing would be essentially a courtly gesture > rather than necessarily a lip-to-flesh experience, and bowing low over the > lady's hand would do. > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:12:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0CfrU009205 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0CdnP021487; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0CIAF088954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0CI4K003898; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KLXWuG049755 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x4so698584nfb for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:33:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Lb12vaMTzIDyozQW5YPiFRw+q8dzRAIdKPySJ1N8OTXPIk2j32+o/ddHG60cZ+EAnLH5ljsUw/sg0JgDWQsrEE18+YxCaHIIUJpsMTWhwl3fja2qKPV2E+IFvMgjEb8ssXvJ8XSjXkICzF6nW8zqTT9MO/8Gz8wth6LgqDnGGBU= Received: by 10.49.28.6 with SMTP id f6mr1330366nfj; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:33:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602201333n2524e3b0r@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:33:30 +0000 From: Caroline To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> <37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:12:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5AF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1L0CfrU009205 Status: RO Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk can be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record. It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the other pictures I have looked at for example Holkham PBB http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6 the Mac Bible http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf44/otm44ra.gif Both of these show opaque veils which I am quite prepared to believe is linen. On 20/02/06, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > I would expect the wimples and veils to be fine linen, in this case. > > Joan > > At 12:56 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: > >The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the > Luttrell > >Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on > horseback > >page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a > transparent > >white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle. > > > >There are some very fine silk fabrics in the Textiles and Clothing > (London > >finds) but I was hoping for some historical perspective. > > > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > > > >On 20/02/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Caroline wrote: > > > > > > > I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does > > > > anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from? > > > > > > > > Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know. > > > > > > I'd like to know, too, whether anyone doing historic costume would > have a > > > use for silk chiffon or organza in various colors ... they're going > for a > > > song at the fabric store where I work, which is in its last week of > > > business before moving. If they're useful, I'll pick them up for > resale. > > > > > > --Robin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Caroline > > > >"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop > >playing." > >G B Shaw > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:13:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0D5jE009212 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0D3Mx008916; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0CiWP089085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:12:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0Cd5h004333; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KN4HD1041852 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04082 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:04:17 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:03:45 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Thread-Index: AcY2ZEMzfvqsqFlfRQWxA7FQgzChkAACL84g From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1KN4HD1041852 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5B0F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've seen various reproductions of this portrait and Elizabeth's dress is more crimson(red) than pink. Try Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800 by Jean Hunnisett for modern scale patterns for this ensemble. The probable faux undersleeves and upper sleeve lining and underskirt or more likely, forepart, appear to be a gold on gold brocade or cut velvet. The bell, trumpet, or Anne Boleyn style oversleeves, began the 16th century as simple long oversleeves and eventually oversleeve and undersleeve/faux undersleeve components got more elaborate. The bodice is probably the long V waist, with the gold, pearled and jewelled girdle, covering the join(or hook and eye fastening) of bodice to skirt. To accurately make this costume is a lot of work. I did a similar version with the changes needed to bring it up to the 1570's several years ago and it is a lot of work, even for the 24" porcelain doll I made to create it for. First make the shift. You have to make an exact squared neck that a bit of it will appear or not, depending on the portrait you are copying. I made mine of fine cotton as a linen to the scale of the doll couldn't be bought to the limited quantity I needed for a fine linen. The shift was about knee length. Not sure of the white undersleeve construction and I was doing an 1570's, not super wide below the elbow 1540-1560 version, I did the shift sleeves cut wider at the top than a "normal" shift sleeve and much wider at the bottom, gathering each bottom into a cuff with drawstrings, not elastic. Next was the stays(or corset). My doll was cloth-bodied and firmly stuffed, but I made it complete with stiffining thin doll-scale synthetic horsehair in channels, and handmade sewn eyelets for back lacing and shoulder strap closure. Well worth the work, as seven years later, the stuffing in this area has not dropped or settled. Stays helped the body fight aging and gravity. Somewhat easier to make for the doll was the hip pad and farthingale. I used a linen for both and using Hunnisett's pattern, cheated by sewing double folded bias binding along the marked lines all around in six graduated layers(think of a 19th hoopskirt) to make channels. I used more doll scale narrow horsehair inseted in the channels. I made undersleeves of a pink brocade and a matching forepart. Instead of authentically pinning each in place, I sewed the undersleeves to narrow silk ribbons that were tacked in place on the shift sleeves. I had to engineer this after I did the sleeves on the main gown. Fussy work and probably not authentic, but it was a competition doll and pining all into place would have looked as if I didn't have time to sew it. The forepart I hem stitched to the farthingale--it was just a little larger than the main gown's overskirt opening and had to be cut to its final measurement and installed after I had finished the main gown. Main gown of bodice, oversleeves, shoulder wings, and overskirt was lined and sewn together as one piece, again for competition. Back fastened with hand-sewn eyelets. A partlet, figure-8 ruff and French hood finished the look, along with handmade shoes and feather fan. Purchased stockings were faux fastened with cross-gartered silk ribbons. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:25 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547. Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They seem very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. What do you call these kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the sleeves? I found several sites that had sleeve variations but none like these. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:13:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0D6UH009213 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0D4ED016233; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0BHZ0088776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0BFAY002880; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1KJTmpH023088 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.31]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BC73A5007A for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:28:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c63653$e297ea30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:27:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5B10.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Silk Tulle was invented in the last quarter of 18th century. Tulle (name of a french town) was originally a bobbin lace mesh, then they invented a machine to do it much faster. Its just made with cross- twist- twist- twist. cross-twist-twist-twist and so on................ I believe that the words chiffon, organza was invented in 19th century, but i think the fabrics are older with different names. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from? Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know. -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:13:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0DNKr009222 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0DLDB018647; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0CvPn089130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0CucJ004640; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0CneD004456 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26474 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:44:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:44:09 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza In-Reply-To: <20060221000511.GA26345@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5B21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com wrote: > I can always use natural or white organza for linings, or dye it for > some other purpose! I could probably use chiffon, too. I bet others > feel the same way, especially those who don't only do period > costuming, or aren't extremely anal about authenticity. Since there's been such a response, I'll go in tomorrow and buy up the remaining white chiffon and organza (if there is any) and probably some colors too. If anyone has a want list on colors, e-mail me directly -- and tell me what lengths you need for the piece to be useful, since some of the lengths will be short (that's all we have left). Some of the colors we had (maybe not still there, I don't know) were pretty wild: hot pink, goldenrod, lime green, as well as more boring pastels and beiges. I have no idea what is useful for different periods, though. Bear in mind too that these are lightweight, nearly transparent silks. The chiffon is flimsy and floaty; the organza stiffer. But you can't make a dress out of them (as someone who wrote me seemed to think!). Figure $3-$4/yard plus postage. Our silks normally range up to $11/yard. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:14:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0EevH009247 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:14:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0EcB0010195; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0EFVB089258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0ECKp005704; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0E8LK005556 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060221001402.VQD14835.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:14:02 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.173.64]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060221001401.YTUM1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:14:01 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.12/265]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:14:11 +1300 Message-ID: <006501c6367b$bd68d800$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Bag Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:14:09 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5B6E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > My impression was mid to late 1500s. Though the tassels are something that I > would have seen on some Germanic pouches. > http://www.ledermuseum.de/vollbild/seiten/42_e.htm > > >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg I have saved that image too. Is it from Lacma? Yep: http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/C_t02_mm/full/M91_165.jpg http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record&id=69221&type=101 Artist France Title Woman's Purse Date 1595 Media Silk velvet, metallic thread, pearls, silk taffeta Department Costume and Textiles Place Made France michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 20/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:24:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0Ot7d009449 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:24:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0OqYf022135; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:24:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0MZ4r090162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0MX1W012833; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:22:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0MOAw012745 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:22:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5596.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.150]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C050647FE3A for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:22:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c6367c$ec017180$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004501c63677$c7384680$e100a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in contextRe:FlemishRE:tippets ... 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Status: RO Hi Yes i heard this also. In the same program wich also was showed here in Denmark, he told us that Henry complainted of her flat hanging breasts. Those were the words, sorry ladies.......... He could not get any lust for her att all............ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in contextRe:FlemishRE:tippets ... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" >> It was said that Henry VIII had problems with Anne's Germanic body shape >> and >> was heard to once comment that her form was that of a whore. It seems he >> preferred the small breasted, virginal looking body with his women. This >> was >> from a BBC program on Henry. >> De > > > Interesting--I've always heard from "Them" that it was sort of the other > way around; H8 got the impression of a nicely rounded woman from Holbein's > painting, then found himself with a thin, non-curvy woman... at which > point he supposedly got mad at Holbein and fired him. Has anyone else > heard this version? The other version does make sense, based on the > portraits of his other wives (except CofA). > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:27:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0RDbC009500 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:27:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0RAnC022857; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:27:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0Qmpl090538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0Qk7k016219; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0Qg5A016145 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5596.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.150]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E5DFF47FE4B for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:26:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002501c6367d$8539fde0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:26:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk chiffon and tulle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:27:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA5E5E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In 18th century they used a lot of silk gauge wich is a very light transparent silk fabric used for all those trimmings and decorations they used all over at the second part of 18th century. A nice natural white chiffon would be a good substitute for this....... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:38:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0cvPd009693 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:38:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0cti7026165; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:38:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0cbGL091723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:38:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0cXg4026370; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0cThF026293 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:38:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 40BCA365D1 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:38:28 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:38:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060220111459.0b3zasu2mrcwwwsc@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:38:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA611F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually the owner of Calontir trim and I was reminded that it was someone else who made it for him. De -----Original Message----- > And thinking of multi- colours, this reminded me of someone I know who made > a man's Landsknecht in various Hawaiian print fabric. Bright colors too. > Sounds like something Lord Joel woulh have done ..... Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:51:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0peAv010223 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:51:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0paPh030186; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:51:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0pBwo092988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0p767037012; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1L0p4if036965 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 3670 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 16:51:04 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 3640, pid: 3658, t: 0.7079s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1292 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 16:51:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060220165007.023d2478@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:50:59 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners In-Reply-To: <003501c63655$1b60da10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <8130531.1140451257424.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <003501c63655$1b60da10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, DEAR_SOMETHING autolearn=no version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA6418.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have a good time, Bjarne. And post some pictures if you can. Joan At 11:37 AM 2/20/2006, you wrote: >Thanks for all your responses to my questions. It has ben >interresting reading for me. >I am preparing myself in manners because i am going to visit >Mauritia and Kim Kirchner in Germany at next weekend. They are >having a costume party weekend, and i have butterflies in my belly >because i look so much forwards to this. >Thanks all > >Bjarne > > >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:00 PM >Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] modes and manners > > >>It might be useful to Bjarne to know that in 1775 in England, at >>least, hand-kissing was not necessarily literal. Witness this >>dialogue from Richard Brinsley Sheridan's "The Rivals." Bob Acres, >>a country squire eager to appear sophisticated during a visit to >>Bath, is meeting with his acquaintance Sir Lucius O'Trigger, a >>landed Irish gentleman of old-fashioned manners: >> >>Enter Sir Lucius. >>SIR LUCIUS: Mr. Acres, I am delighted to embrace you. >>ACRES: My dear Sir Lucius, I kiss your hands. >> >>It is probable that no embracing or hand-kissing actually takes >>place, but that these are merely verbal expressions of good-will. >>(Indeed, the moment on stage is much more delicious if the two >>gentlemen making these statements are standing half a room apart!) >>So between a gentleman and a lady in 1775 I would imagine (on this >>theatrical basis) that hand-kissing would be essentially a courtly >>gesture rather than necessarily a lip-to-flesh experience, and >>bowing low over the lady's hand would do. >> >>--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >>scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:54:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0sEEh010258 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:54:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0sCQI030950; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:54:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0rmfL093190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0rlMg038996; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1L0rhCi038947 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 25236 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 16:53:43 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25191, pid: 25204, t: 4.3770s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1292 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 16:53:39 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060220165135.0232c7f8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:53:35 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602201333n2524e3b0r@mail.gmail.com> References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> <37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net> <37ee9e000602201333n2524e3b0r@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:54:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA64B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Linen also can be fine enough to be transparent. Joan At 01:33 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: >Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk can >be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record. > >It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the other >pictures I have looked at for example > >Holkham PBB >http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6 > >the Mac Bible >http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf44/otm44ra.gif > >Both of these show opaque veils which I am quite prepared to believe is >linen. > > > >On 20/02/06, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > > > I would expect the wimples and veils to be fine linen, in this case. > > > > Joan > > > > At 12:56 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: > > >The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the > > Luttrell > > >Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on > > horseback > > >page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a > > transparent > > >white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle. > > > > > >There are some very fine silk fabrics in the Textiles and Clothing > > (London > > >finds) but I was hoping for some historical perspective. > > > > > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 19:55:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0tJPF010273 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:55:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L0tH4v026829; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:55:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L0sntr093326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0snt0039810; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L0sjgJ039724 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 90385366A1 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:54:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mystery Bag Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:54:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006501c6367b$bd68d800$0401010a@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:55:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA64F5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Made in France...I wonder how it would look if you changes the fabric color and wore it with this? http://www.marileecody.com/isabel.jpg De -----Original Message----- I have saved that image too. Is it from Lacma? Yep: http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/C_t02_mm/full/M91_165.jpg http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record&id=69221& type=101 Artist France Title Woman's Purse Date 1595 Media Silk velvet, metallic thread, pearls, silk taffeta Department Costume and Textiles Place Made France michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 20:06:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L16CvE010530 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:06:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L16Asr002169; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:06:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L15mRc094153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:05:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L15keN048146; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:05:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1L15gcO048030 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 7713 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 01:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 01:05:37 -0000 Message-ID: <013901c63682$eced7070$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060220181402.74902.qmail@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:05:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:06:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA6782.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Mine is in Palo Alto, Ca. I can't speak for Kelly. There is also a version at my daughter's old performing arts department here in Newark... I think when Broadway releases these shows they get snapped up by everyone! If it's not terribly far from you, come see ours in Palo Alto at the Lucie Stern. It opens the 28th of April. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) > One of the local theater groups in Santa Rosa, CA, is also doing > Urinetown. Is this yet another production, or is this being costumed by > one of you? If the latter, it gives me even greater incentive to go. :-) > > ~mary > (Sorry for the late reply, I got behind on this list and I'm still trying > to catch up....) > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:00:20 -0400 > From: "Kelly Grant" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear/Urinetown > > > What is this...the year for depression era Urinetown???We're doing the > same > sho for the final one of the season...we'll get the scetches next week! > Kelly > > > >>From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear >>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 >> >>Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the >>depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a >>production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era >>feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's >>actually the future, I believe). >> >>I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps >>someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my >>inspiration. >> >>As always, thanks in advance. >> >>angela >>+++++ >>Angela F. Lazear >>Cabbage Rose Costumes >>www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >>Theatrical Costume Design > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 20:24:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L1Ofqp010868 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:24:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L1OcSx007970; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:24:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L1O2OG095792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L1O033063060; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L1NvJb062935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBMFw-0000NT-KJ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:23:56 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:23:56 -0600 Message-ID: <20060220192356.22p2n0sxxj0gsogs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:23:56 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Flemish (was RE: [h-cost] tippets ... 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > Actually the owner of Calontir trim and I was reminded that it was someone > else who made it for him. Drix. Hmmm. Could have been Joel, I guess. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 21:07:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L27ZI8012134 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:07:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L27WlG020939; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:07:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L26cYj000298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L26VkF098342; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L26Rkg098246 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m183.in-tch.com [216.166.191.183]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1L1vpA22833 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:57:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003a01c6368c$6b8f1ba0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:13:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:07:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA75E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh. I think I get it. You mean "garments with tiny pleats," and not "tiny, pleated garments." Gotta love the English language! ;o) I *thought* you were referring to the now-discredited theory of a "corselet" being worn around the torso of people in bliaut. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question > I don't have any sites in particular to show you and I do not know the term. > But there are garments for which I have heard refered to as bliauts. > The material looks like the Fortune' material or the very fine pleating of > some Landesknecht hemd. > The statue on the left, note the skirt. > http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~lwittie/sca/garb/bliaut.html > This site says that light weight silks were used to make bliauts so never > mind about what I said about the light weight salmon silk. > http://web.comhem.se/~u41200125/greenbliaut.html > De > > -----Original Message----- > "Mini pleated type garment???" > --Sue, missing the reference completely... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 21:20:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L2KGgD012387 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:20:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L2KEgo024989; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:20:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L2JkvI001407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L2Jiuq009561; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L2Je9v009480 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m183.in-tch.com [216.166.191.183]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1L2B5A25358 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:11:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:26:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:20:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA78DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, and saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to it at all. The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut and voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is gold thread (looks distinctly metallic). --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > I saw this painting in the National Portrait Gallery London several years > ago and the main dress is reddish orange and the forepart and lower > sleeves are gold velvet cutwork. > > > I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. > > The bodice is pointed and the skirt is attached. The skirt is flat in > front and has cartridge or knife pleats starting at the sides. It would > have a full back skirt and probably a train. > > >What do you call these > > kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the > > sleeves? > > I don't think the sleeves have a particular name other than maybe "tudor > sleeves". The over sleeve (reddish orange) is a very large bell shape > which was probably a revival of the medieval bell sleeves. They are then > folded back and pinned on the upper arm. > > The lower sleeves (gold cutwork) are debated as to how they are made. My > research found that they are a separate sleeve accent that probably ties > to a ribbon on the inside of the bell sleeve. It can be a round-ish > stuffed ball or a finished fancy fabric that folds over the arm and ties > on the bottom. > > There is a different tudor portait that shows that there is a corner > showing near the elbow. So it would seem that the sleeves do not extend > all the way to the top of the arm. > > I can send you a picture of my lower sleeves and whole tudor outfit if you > want to e-mail me privately. > > Hope that helps! > > Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 21:44:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L2io4H012896 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:44:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L2imL0000463; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:44:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L2iV9K003830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:44:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L2iTlg031438; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1L2iPrr031377 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 29941 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 02:42:39 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:42:39 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:45:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:45:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:44:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA7EA0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, and > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to > it > at all. > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut and > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is gold > thread (looks distinctly metallic). > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I discovered that her chemise had redwork on the cuffs! I hadn't heard of redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't have enough detail to show it. Very cool! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 21:51:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L2pZWA013050 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:51:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L2pXSK002838; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L2jxnw003987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:45:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L2jwBL032699; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L2jstN032572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBNXG-0007jI-QW; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:45:54 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:45:54 -0600 Message-ID: <20060220204554.5c0vyq5dikkk8kwo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:45:54 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:51:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA8035.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sue Clemenger : > When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, and > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to it > at all. > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut and > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is gold > thread (looks distinctly metallic). > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... Wouldn't be the first painting that there were 2 of ..... Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 22:08:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L3883i013840 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:08:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L386Xp008300; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:08:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L37J9O006034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:07:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L37CY4050648; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L379KL050594 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2C373705D8; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:02:27 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:07:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c63693$eb51d920$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <013901c63682$eced7070$0701a8c0@lazear1> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1L379KL050594 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:08:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA8416.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A friend of mine is in that! I'm going. SharonC. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cabbage Rose Costumes Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) Mine is in Palo Alto, Ca. I can't speak for Kelly. There is also a version at my daughter's old performing arts department here in Newark... I think when Broadway releases these shows they get snapped up by everyone! If it's not terribly far from you, come see ours in Palo Alto at the Lucie Stern. It opens the 28th of April. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) > One of the local theater groups in Santa Rosa, CA, is also doing > Urinetown. Is this yet another production, or is this being costumed by > one of you? If the latter, it gives me even greater incentive to go. :-) > > ~mary > (Sorry for the late reply, I got behind on this list and I'm still > trying > to catch up....) > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:00:20 -0400 > From: "Kelly Grant" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear/Urinetown > > > What is this...the year for depression era Urinetown???We're doing the > same > sho for the final one of the season...we'll get the scetches next week! > Kelly > > > >>From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear >>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 >> >>Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for >>the depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing >>a production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression >>era feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. >>(It's actually the future, I believe). >> >>I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought >>perhaps someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time >>for my inspiration. >> >>As always, thanks in advance. >> >>angela >>+++++ >>Angela F. Lazear >>Cabbage Rose Costumes >>www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >>Theatrical Costume Design > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane > Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 22:12:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L3C0vE014051 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:12:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L3BwJw009695; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:12:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L3BjPb006592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:11:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L3BjmD055066; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:11:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L3BfW4054936 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2c9.3d5685e (63000) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2c9.3d5685e.312bdeda@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:11:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Silk chiffon and organza and tulle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:12:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA84FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO for what it's worth, according to my cunningtons and beard, tulle is a fine silk bobbin net first made by machine at Nottingham in 1768. Organza doesn't appear (the closest is organdie). and chiffon is dated to 1890, and described as "a delicate silk barege or grenadine" (both of those are attributed to 19th C too). they're still really nice fabrics though. it could be a very very fine wool depicted in the pictures. I've seen wools that are close to transparent, and my own veil, though not transparent, is finer than most linens, even though it's 100% wool. debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 22:16:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L3GGka014302 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L3GElw010940; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L3FfRF006929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L3Feu6058601; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L3FaQf058484 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.12e.6f7f34a3 (18403) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.6f7f34a3.312bdfca@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:15:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA85FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/20/2006 7:05:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com writes: I could probably use chiffon, too. I bet others feel the same way, especially those who don't only do period costuming, You forget....20th century is "period". Chiffon is just ideal for many teens, 20s and 30s fashions....and even 50s, 60s and 70s. Why did I leave the 40s out? And organdy is a standard for children's clothes from the turn of the 19th century to the present [especially in the 50s]. I've seen 1860s outfits of silk gauze....and silk chiffon could work for these light outfits. Organdy makes great petticoats or ruffles for petticoats. And, as someone mentioned, is a great stabilizer to put in garments of light fabrics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 23:00:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L40s9g018227 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:00:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L40p8E026943; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L3xnec011326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L3xg40096911; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L3xbZD096828 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1L3qbwM027406 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:59:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200602202304.k1KN4Qme041964@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sheer fabrics are very old X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:00:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA9073.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Gauze, a thin transparent material of silk, linen or cotton, is first mentioned in 1279 under the name gazzatum; it was among the fabrics considered too luxurious for monks to wear. The name may come from the town of Gaza, and the cloth may be of the same type as the famous "veils of Cos" with which Caesar bade Cleopatra cover herself, for decency's sake, when she visited Rome in 43 B.C." http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/198703/fabrics.from.the.middle.east.ht m I remembered reading about this in "The Fabric Catalogue" by Martin Hardingham. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 23:13:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L4DHwr018513 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:13:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L4DERC032145; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:13:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L4CmwC012626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:12:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L4CiNC008781; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L4CekX008702 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m183.in-tch.com [216.166.191.183]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1L444A19148 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:04:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <009201c6369e$0c388080$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:19:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA935A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Misremembering happens to all of us! Seriously, though, it could be two different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that, especially since so many of our details are similar. And maybe it explains why some of the reproductions seem so pink and others more orange? I don't know about "yours"--we only had time for the National Gallery of Art (which was on its last day of a Truly Cool Exhibit on Fabric in Portraits), and didn't make it over to the Portrait Gallery. Well, maybe we could have, if I hadn't been making a complete pig of myself in the bookstore. I've seen monochrome embroidery done in red in a couple of portraits in my books, and a little of it in the Textile Rooms at the V&A. A friend of mine says it's known as "morisco" work (spelling optional at this time of the evening ;o) I *think* I've got a copy of a painting of Mary I with red embroidery somewhere. I *think.* (sorry...bad case of chocolate cravings paired with knitting fatigue from the Knitting Olympics! LOL!) --Sue p.s. I like your Ghandi quote.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > > When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, and > > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to > > it > > at all. > > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut and > > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is gold > > thread (looks distinctly metallic). > > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... > > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. > > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I > discovered that her chemise had redwork on the cuffs! I hadn't heard of > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't have > enough detail to show it. Very cool! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 20 23:36:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L4aogD020638 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L4alkf008710; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L4aR9E014862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L4aP97028785; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L4aLtS028745 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:36:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=tR9crXDANK3oWji5SpZ5W/FVQlxt2bna5GfYvGoEXWxk1dKFje/muGvQNi6bzTTR; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.51] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FBPG8-0001Y1-Qa for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: <007401c636a0$5ccddb60$33159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002501c6367d$8539fde0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk chiffon and tulle Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b65a780b64b140ae2cd2eb3c0a988338c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.51 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FA98DF.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When I got my set of swatches from Dharma a couple of years ago, I was surprised to find out that the barely there veiling in all those Italian portraits was a real fabric. (My taste runs to linen and wool with interesting weaves.) Dharma has white silk gauze in two weights and widths, here: http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1639206-AA.shtml and they'll send you a swatch for just a quarter. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 00:17:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5HVNL024552 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:17:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5HTRo025918; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L5GaWq019127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5GZ6A063617; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5GWtl063561 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:16:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:16:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2006 05:16:32.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA366390:01C636A5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:17:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAA269.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Do you think that Elizabeth had a partlet in the 1547 portrait? I can't tell from the images I have. If she does it must have been majorly transparent. I found a fabric that is almost the same color of the fabric in the portrait, down to the overall pattern. I couldn't remember what the sleeves looked like so I didn't buy the sleeve fabrics. I printed the image I have and everything turned out VERY pink. I found a better image and can see the true colors now. I know the gown will be work but well worth it if it looks the way it should. I took a class in textiles where we studied ancient fabrics. It covered Peruvian, Chinese/Japanese and others. One fabric in the Japanese files that I remember had the metallic threads in loops. We covered how to make the same effect nowadays. It would be a lot of extra work so I plan to find a fabric that looks similar instead. I feel very confident I can make the dress in the portrait or a very close facsimile. I foudn the pattern for the bell shaped sleeves, even down to the holes at the wrist. I'm looking for the source of those now. I should have written it down and not just saved the image. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > I've seen various reproductions of this portrait and Elizabeth's dress > is more crimson(red) than pink. > > Try Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800 by Jean Hunnisett for > modern scale patterns for this ensemble. The probable faux undersleeves > and upper sleeve lining and underskirt or more likely, forepart, appear > to be a gold on gold brocade or cut velvet. > > The bell, trumpet, or Anne Boleyn style oversleeves, began the 16th > century as simple long oversleeves and eventually oversleeve and > undersleeve/faux undersleeve components got more elaborate. > > The bodice is probably the long V waist, with the gold, pearled and > jewelled girdle, covering the join(or hook and eye fastening) of bodice > to skirt. > > To accurately make this costume is a lot of work. > > I did a similar version with the changes needed to bring it up to the > 1570's several years ago and it is a lot of work, even for the 24" > porcelain doll I made to create it for. > > First make the shift. You have to make an exact squared neck that a bit > of it will appear or not, depending on the portrait you are copying. I > made mine of fine cotton as a linen to the scale of the doll couldn't be > bought to the limited quantity I needed for a fine linen. The shift was > about knee length. Not sure of the white undersleeve construction and I > was doing an 1570's, not super wide below the elbow 1540-1560 version, I > did the shift sleeves cut wider at the top than a "normal" shift sleeve > and much wider at the bottom, gathering each bottom into a cuff with > drawstrings, not elastic. > > Next was the stays(or corset). My doll was cloth-bodied and firmly > stuffed, but I made it complete with stiffining thin doll-scale > synthetic horsehair in channels, and handmade sewn eyelets for back > lacing and shoulder strap closure. Well worth the work, as seven years > later, the stuffing in this area has not dropped or settled. Stays > helped the body fight aging and gravity. > > Somewhat easier to make for the doll was the hip pad and farthingale. I > used a linen for both and using Hunnisett's pattern, cheated by sewing > double folded bias binding along the marked lines all around in six > graduated layers(think of a 19th hoopskirt) to make channels. I used > more doll scale narrow horsehair inseted in the channels. > > I made undersleeves of a pink brocade and a matching forepart. Instead > of authentically pinning each in place, I sewed the undersleeves to > narrow silk ribbons that were tacked in place on the shift sleeves. I > had to engineer this after I did the sleeves on the main gown. Fussy > work and probably not authentic, but it was a competition doll and > pining all into place would have looked as if I didn't have time to sew > it. The forepart I hem stitched to the farthingale--it was just a little > larger than the main gown's overskirt opening and had to be cut to its > final measurement and installed after I had finished the main gown. > > Main gown of bodice, oversleeves, shoulder wings, and overskirt was > lined and sewn together as one piece, again for competition. Back > fastened with hand-sewn eyelets. > > A partlet, figure-8 ruff and French hood finished the look, along with > handmade shoes and feather fan. Purchased stockings were faux fastened > with cross-gartered silk ribbons. > > Hope this helps. > > Cindy Abel > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Becky > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:25 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her > costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547. > Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They > seem very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html > I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. What do you call > these kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the > sleeves? I found several sites that had sleeve variations but none like > these. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 00:17:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5HVX1024551 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:17:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5HTtw025772; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L5G9UM019059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5G5o7063164; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5G17a063096 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FBPsU1muo-0004C0; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:16:00 -0500 Message-ID: <00d301c636a5$de999a30$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:15:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Handlebar Mustaches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:17:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAA269.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1L5HVX1024551 Status: RO My son is wanting to grow out his mustache to make a handlebar style. He wants to know does he needs to grow out the whiskers across the entire mustache? Just the sides or under his nose? If anyone knows of a website that can give him directions or care for this style of mustache he would really appreciate it. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 00:39:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5dWVT027420 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:39:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5dT7V001998; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:39:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L5dDq4022147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5dCWr083671; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5d5O0083570 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FBQEp1hz0-0004Eh; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:39:04 -0500 Message-ID: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:38:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Olympics costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:39:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAA791.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1L5dWVT027420 Status: RO Has anyone been watching curling at the Olympics? Does anyone know what kind of shoes the athletes are wearing? I thought at first they were skates. But they are not. They are soled shoes that glide on the ice easily. Any opinions on the ice dancing costumes? There must have been a sale on skin-toned beige. LOL! I heard today that one rule is that the women could not show their navels. The featured swan costume was molting! Maybe she should have met up with the male skater, Weir's swan costume. Some of the snowboard outfits looked like 1950s pajamas. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 00:46:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5kDgJ027594 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:46:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L5kBLa004766; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L5jkF9024818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5jhmw090205; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:4zsnaG/o/iyKSVQeCGV0QjiGTS0Yg9Dg@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L5jd5K090105 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.56] (206-124-5-56.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.56]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k1L5haC06278 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:43:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> References: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <359fc4401ecb2dd541630e8827edf66b@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:45:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:46:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAA923.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Any opinions on the ice dancing costumes? There must have been a sale > on skin-toned beige. LOL! I heard today that one rule is that the > women could not show their navels. The featured swan costume was > molting! Maybe she should have met up with the male skater, Weir's > swan costume. It seems the style this year is very bare midriffs with the bodice and skirt attached only at the center front. And too many of the outfits are way overdone, combining too many disparate elements in one costume. > > Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 01:08:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L68Jvp028356 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:08:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L68HMh012993; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L67sBw034414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L67oFj009430; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L67jG7009309 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.237.73cc88d (15889) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1143faae281d9; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:07:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> References: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:07:35 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:08:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAAE51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1L68Jvp028356 Status: RO The curling shoes have a rubber slip on sole that they use to walk on the ice. They remove the slip on part to reveal a composition sole that glides. This they use this sole when they are "throwing" the stone. They replace the over -portion for the balance of the time. I heard the explanation on the TV broadcast. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 21, 2006, at 12:38 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Has anyone been watching curling at the Olympics? Does anyone know > what kind of shoes the athletes are wearing? I thought at first they > were skates. But they are not. They are soled shoes that glide on > the ice easily. > > Any opinions on the ice dancing costumes? There must have been a sale > on skin-toned beige. LOL! I heard today that one rule is that the > women could not show their navels. The featured swan costume was > molting! Maybe she should have met up with the male skater, Weir's > swan costume. > > Some of the snowboard outfits looked like 1950s pajamas. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 01:18:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6I5Zl028535 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:18:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6I3nH016317; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L6CfRd036234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:12:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6CflO013002; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:12:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6CbpM012885 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.d1.3856e595 (3924) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:12:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Handlebar Mustaches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:18:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAB09B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/21/2006 12:16:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: He wants to know does he needs to grow out the whiskers across the entire mustache? He needs to just grow a regular 'stache long and comb the two halves away from each other. He might need to trim the whiskers just over his top lip if he doesn't want to eat them. But you need long whiskers to do it right. I wax mine with bee's wax I got in the hair care section of the local drug store. It's in a tin, and usually used to "seal" the ends of braids or dreadlocks so it sometimes is with the Afro hair care stuff. Don't get the stuff in the little green tubes. It's awful. Anyway, he might find the both side of the 'stache want to curl in the same direction...like mine. This is really annoying and require frequent checking to make sure one side isn't 'unraveling". It's not care free. One of those little moustache combs is very handy. Of course a thick burly moustache works best. There is also a style [popular in the 1870s and 90s] where the Moustache is very trimmed and just the sides are let grow a bit and then waxed straight out to each side instead of curled. Very dapper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 01:22:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6MDOo028622 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:22:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6MBWh017907; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:22:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L6LteN036848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6LnmJ020027; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6LkSP019908 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:21:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.23b.74189ed (39331) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:21:39 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <23b.74189ed.312c0b73@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:21:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5121 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for a magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:22:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAB193.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm trying to track down a European sewing magazine for a friend. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the November 2001 Burda Magazine (prefereable in English)? Thanks. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 01:45:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6jii9030676 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:45:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6jg6N025849; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:45:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L6ioUT038761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6imJN037257; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6ii1p037221 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FBRGN1Omp-00088l; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:44:44 -0500 Message-ID: <00eb01c636b2$44363680$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:44:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:45:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAB716.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan, Thank you for the explanation. So are you hooked on curling too? It looks like a combination of the games, pool and marbles. Both I loved to play when I was young. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 01:47:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6lZKK030816 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:47:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6lXJO005555; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L6lL2V038895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6lLnQ039286; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:47:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6lHki039237 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FBRIq2QkS-0008Co; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:47:17 -0500 Message-ID: <00f101c636b2$9fb92f30$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Handlebar Mustaches Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:47:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:47:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAB785.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you Albert Cat! He will really appreciate your advice. He has been growing his hair and beard out. He said when the mustache get long enough, he is cutting his hair and beard. Then he is going to leave the mustache for a week. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 01:48:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6mZHA030886 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:48:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L6mXKJ026785; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:48:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L6m29N039006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6m1UX039829; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L6lxGF039794 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x4so752691nfb for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:47:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YK8XDy3m8/YB7i1kuIg1mTEAoReLGeqaQf2FfsWfVKZpT6z2BCJASrVKxF3+os9O3CiXOf9faXrhdGUGZS4G4iKtBWwTnmCpsaWgSb6+qssO8fMbWPdmGJds0z9+KPY3jwrWn8sgqdEMLac5t6a8LcFtDRzhUfQO6pBkDWWCmaw= Received: by 10.48.237.6 with SMTP id k6mr1423071nfh; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:47:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602202247h4176ca25s@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:47:58 +0000 From: Caroline To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk chiffon and tulle In-Reply-To: <007401c636a0$5ccddb60$33159b04@HELENPINTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002501c6367d$8539fde0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <007401c636a0$5ccddb60$33159b04@HELENPINTO> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:48:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAB7C1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1L6mZHA030886 Status: RO Aha Bjarne - I have evidence for 'silk grege' from medieval Scotland. It appears to raw silk (still gummed) with, interestingly, gold painted onto it. I would expect that to be quite stiff - used for hats today I believe. Helen - I think what I am trying to explore is the transparent fabric on the Luttrell ladies the first artistic evidence of the same fine silk gauze fabric (regardless of what you want to call it) On 21/02/06, Helen Pinto wrote: > > When I got my set of swatches from Dharma a couple of years ago, I was > surprised to find out that the barely there veiling in all those Italian > portraits was a real fabric. (My taste runs to linen and wool with > interesting weaves.) > Dharma has white silk gauze in two weights and widths, here: > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1639206-AA.shtml and they'll send > you a swatch for just a quarter. > -Helen/Aidan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 02:10:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L7AYOg000677 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:10:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L7AVbI000936; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:10:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L7AH0n040853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L7AEk2056462; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L7A90D056393 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29559 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:41:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:41:32 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza In-Reply-To: <12e.6f7f34a3.312bdfca@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:10:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FABCE7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > And organdy is a standard for children's clothes from the turn of the 19th > century to the present [especially in the 50s]. ... > Organdy makes great petticoats or ruffles for petticoats. And, as someone > mentioned, is a great stabilizer to put in garments of light fabrics. But organdy and organza are two very different things, an order of magnitude different in weight! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 02:28:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L7SI1P005191 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:28:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L7SGU6006529; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L7RanK042874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L7RFV5070253; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L7R4hG070133 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1L7R0J2003501 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:27:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <036b01c636b8$34e282a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> <37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net> <37ee9e000602201333n2524e3b0r@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:28:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAC110.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've got a 4 yard piece of linen that I got at an estate sale that is sheer enough to easily read through; it's as sheer as chiffon. When I first got it, I did a burn test and also tested it in bleach and it's definately linen. It has a stamped image on it (maybe 2x2") that indicates the country of origin. It's packed away and I can't get to it. When I can locate it, I'll post what the stamp says. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk can be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record. It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the other pictures I have looked at for example Holkham PBB http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6 the Mac Bible http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf44/otm44ra.gif Both of these show opaque veils which I am quite prepared to believe is linen. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 04:53:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L9rCdY012682 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:53:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L9rAlP018305; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:53:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L9p1U3064648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L9orZN080237; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L9onNQ080187 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24718.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.24]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B940147FF0C for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:50:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c636cc$56298df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com><37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net><37ee9e000602201333n2524e3b0r@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060220165135.0232c7f8@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:51:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAE306.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop has, is so fine that it actually is transparent. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza > Linen also can be fine enough to be transparent. > > Joan > > At 01:33 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: >>Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk >>can >>be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record. >> >>It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the other >>pictures I have looked at for example >> >>Holkham PBB >>http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6 >> >>the Mac Bible >>http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf44/otm44ra.gif >> >>Both of these show opaque veils which I am quite prepared to believe is >>linen. >> >> >> >>On 20/02/06, Joan Jurancich wrote: >> > >> > I would expect the wimples and veils to be fine linen, in this case. >> > >> > Joan >> > >> > At 12:56 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: >> > >The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the >> > Luttrell >> > >Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on >> > horseback >> > >page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a >> > transparent >> > >white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle. >> > > >> > >There are some very fine silk fabrics in the Textiles and Clothing >> > (London >> > >finds) but I was hoping for some historical perspective. >> > > >> > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 04:55:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L9teoV013112 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:55:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1L9taJ8018981; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:55:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1L9rh49064989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L9rgKt082190; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1L9rdZ0082118 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24718.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.24]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A6902628D4 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:53:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c636cc$bd986fb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:54:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:55:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAE398.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I have also seen the Elizabeth Coronation portrait at the National Portrait Gallery, some years ago. Perhaps they moved it to Windsor for a special exhibition? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > >> When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, >> and >> saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to >> it >> at all. >> The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut and >> voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is gold >> thread (looks distinctly metallic). >> --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... > > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. > > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I > discovered that her chemise had redwork on the cuffs! I hadn't heard of > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't have > enough detail to show it. Very cool! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 05:54:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LAsNJo031348 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:54:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LAsLZs004975; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:54:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LArnio072423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LAriam033052; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LArdR7032965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-114-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.114]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1LArb5J011403 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:53:38 +1100 Message-ID: <006a01c636d5$0fb76910$72d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:53:33 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:54:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAF15D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The over sleeve has a fitted upper half with a bell shaped lower half. If you can find Jean Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen, 1500-1800" that's probably the most comprehensive resource on constructing a Tudor outfit (http://www.longago.com/bookstore3.html is the only place selling it at a reasonable price that I know of). However, she is a theatrical costumer so she does take some shortcuts. For example, she suggests cutting your skirt as one large rectangle with pleats to create the fashionable cone shape, however virtually all of the surviving 16th century garments and tailor's books suggest a gored skirt with trapezoid shaped pieces. If you can't get your hands on a copy of Jean Hunnisett's book you can find a basic pattern for the outer sleeves here http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/homepages/tudorcostumes/howtosleeves.html (though you'll have to make up your own variations where the book provides you with several) Jean Hunisett suggests cutting the sleeves on the bias, which does allow for the sleeves to drape down much further (the line marked C on this diagram http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/homepages/tudorcostumes/oversleevepattern.jpg) because obviously the distance corner to corner is longer than one side. For the undersleeves you'll find a pattern very similar to Jean Hunnisett's here http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/homepages/tudorcostumes/Bess_page3weddingGowndiary.html I've found the most reliable way to secure my undersleeves is to temporarily hand stitch them to the short sleeves of my kirtle (my dress diary for my current kirtle is here http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/kirtle/kirtle.htm I've found the front lacing shows up as lumps beneath my gown so my next one will have back or maybe side lacing) and then to switch undersleeves I just unpick the stitching (although if I'm wearing the kirtle alone with the fitted lower sleeves I pin them on) Hope that helps Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole | Lady Elizabeth Beaumont Canberra, Australia | Politarchopolis, Lochac ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547. Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They seem very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html I can't tell if it has a round or pointed bodices. What do you call these kind of sleeves. Any suggestions of how to make of pattern for the sleeves? I found several sites that had sleeve variations but none like these. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 06:07:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LB7mcd003563 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:07:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LB7kRp009748; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:07:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LB6CQV073646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LB6Atx043028; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LB67J0042968 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n15so776408nfc for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:06:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aIP9Pm3JsjijW367nErYutqILVqi8HpbcP6DDL3DZof9HjncPEeggP1v/g/X07ACzuyfH5VlojSgIMI3TqXs53btyuMYErqghesL65do3APBHF3Ko0O+YQLpGQPMiSIOAweCRH63OELKjgKCz92cggL8KOk5rVfC6A423zLG38s= Received: by 10.49.68.13 with SMTP id v13mr1464182nfk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:06:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602210306o142a52d3l@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:06:03 +0000 From: Caroline To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza In-Reply-To: <000a01c636cc$56298df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com> <37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net> <37ee9e000602201333n2524e3b0r@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060220165135.0232c7f8@surewest.net> <000a01c636cc$56298df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:07:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAF482.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1LB7mcd003563 Status: RO I really haven't seen linen this fine in England. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. On 21/02/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi > Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop > has, > is so fine that it actually is transparent. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Jurancich" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:53 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza > > > > Linen also can be fine enough to be transparent. > > > > Joan > > > > At 01:33 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: > >>Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk > >>can > >>be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record. > >> > >>It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the > other > >>pictures I have looked at for example > >> > >>Holkham PBB > >>http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6 > >> > >>the Mac Bible > >> > http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf44/otm44ra.gif > >> > >>Both of these show opaque veils which I am quite prepared to believe is > >>linen. > >> > >> > >> > >>On 20/02/06, Joan Jurancich wrote: > >> > > >> > I would expect the wimples and veils to be fine linen, in this case. > >> > > >> > Joan > >> > > >> > At 12:56 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: > >> > >The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the > >> > Luttrell > >> > >Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on > >> > horseback > >> > >page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a > >> > transparent > >> > >white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle. > >> > > > >> > >There are some very fine silk fabrics in the Textiles and Clothing > >> > (London > >> > >finds) but I was hoping for some historical perspective. > >> > > > >> > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 06:43:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LBhTFe014219 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LBhRrn021591; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LBh2SI078674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:43:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LBh1KM073944; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LBgw81073903 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:42:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3F3536030 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:42:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:43:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001901c636cc$bd986fb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FAFCDF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is coronation portrait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elizabeth_I_of_England_-_coronation_portr ait.jpg Is this what you saw? De -----Original Message----- F Hi, I have also seen the Elizabeth Coronation portrait at the National Portrait Gallery, some years ago. Perhaps they moved it to Windsor for a special exhibition? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 07:23:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LCNkRl023977 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:23:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LCNiZi002942; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:23:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LCNFwA084141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LCNBhR004980; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:23:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LCN8EH004949 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DCBC35E10 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:23:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:23:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:23:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB0650.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Printers and monitor vary is color. This is what my monitor shows me. This site has the dress in red with tan and dk gold sleeves and forepart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElizabethTudorAt13-woc-0475.jpg Scroll down. It is medium rose pink with sleeves and forepart in monocromatic gold. http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/eliz1.html Orange and gold http://tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/youngeliza.jpg Not the same portrait but thought you would like to see it. http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/princesselizabeth.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 08:34:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDYCbE007908 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:34:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDYAp3030250; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:34:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LDXGTl093650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDXCTR068683; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDX4S3068370 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1LDWwO02726.; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:58 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:58 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:44 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LDX4S3068370 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB16D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To me, the facial expression in the "rose pink" version looks slightly different from nos. 1 and 3. I think I remember seeing that version in the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace about 20 years ago. If it's in the Royal Collection it may well now be at Windsor. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> otsisto@socket.net 21/02/2006 12:23 >>> Printers and monitor vary is color. This is what my monitor shows me. This site has the dress in red with tan and dk gold sleeves and forepart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElizabethTudorAt13-woc-0475.jpg Scroll down. It is medium rose pink with sleeves and forepart in monocromatic gold. http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/eliz1.html Orange and gold http://tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/youngeliza.jpg Not the same portrait but thought you would like to see it. http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/princesselizabeth.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 08:37:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDbHJf008491 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:37:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDbDtT031613; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:37:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LDakDw094038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDajAD072317; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:36:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDafln072175 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1ef.4c32e6f6 (15877) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0543fb176120a; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:36:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <00eb01c636b2$44363680$6400a8c0@Penny> References: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> <00eb01c636b2$44363680$6400a8c0@Penny> Message-Id: <48828ce1b264828eb9770e14c1a5444a@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:36:32 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:37:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB1789.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1LDbHJf008491 Status: RO SInce there was so much coverage, I became interested. Hooked? no If you check out nbc.com, they say they have LOTS of info on the Olympics. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 21, 2006, at 1:44 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Susan, > > Thank you for the explanation. So are you hooked on curling too? It > looks like a combination of the games, pool and marbles. Both I loved > to play when I was young. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 08:41:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDfhcl009432 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:41:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDffeH001112; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:41:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LDf638094623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:41:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDf486075842; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:41:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDf0bI075655 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1LDesO03533.; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:40:54 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:40:53 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:40:42 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Redwork, was Princess Elizabeth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LDf0bI075655 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:41:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB1895.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of redwork, do you know the one of Bess of Hardwick? Go to http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/british/brit-h.htm and click on the first link under her name. I love the way the white fur lining pokes out of the bodice opening. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> dch@inreach.com 21/02/2006 02:45 >>> But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I discovered that her chemise had redwork on the cuffs! I hadn't heard of redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't have enough detail to show it. Very cool! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 08:50:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDobZc009796 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:50:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDoYej004800; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LDidGF094861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDidn7078765; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDiaN0078723 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24718.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.24]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DA18226288D for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:44:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c636ec$fe815b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:44:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:50:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB1AAA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes this was the picture i looked at at the National Portrait Gallery. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > This is coronation portrait > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elizabeth_I_of_England_-_coronation_portr > ait.jpg > > Is this what you saw? > De > > -----Original Message----- > F > Hi, > I have also seen the Elizabeth Coronation portrait at the National > Portrait > Gallery, some years ago. Perhaps they moved it to Windsor for a special > exhibition? > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 08:54:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDs2Oi009903 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:54:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LDs0vI006254; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LDmeE1095158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDmcU9081941; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDmZNa081895 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24718.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.24]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 583E9A5005D for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:47:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002f01c636ed$6386b740$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <37ee9e000602201019v66e961ddv@mail.gmail.com><37ee9e000602201256t4849d4f6g@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060220130655.0237ea60@surewest.net><37ee9e000602201333n2524e3b0r@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060220165135.0232c7f8@surewest.net><000a01c636cc$56298df0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <37ee9e000602210306o142a52d3l@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:46:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:54:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB1B78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi- Well i never dreamed of that it excisted either, untill i saw it with my own eyes. But it also is expensive........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza I really haven't seen linen this fine in England. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. On 21/02/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi > Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop > has, > is so fine that it actually is transparent. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Jurancich" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:53 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza > > > > Linen also can be fine enough to be transparent. > > > > Joan > > > > At 01:33 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: > >>Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk > >>can > >>be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record. > >> > >>It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the > other > >>pictures I have looked at for example > >> > >>Holkham PBB > >>http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6 > >> > >>the Mac Bible > >> > http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf44/otm44ra.gif > >> > >>Both of these show opaque veils which I am quite prepared to believe is > >>linen. > >> > >> > >> > >>On 20/02/06, Joan Jurancich wrote: > >> > > >> > I would expect the wimples and veils to be fine linen, in this case. > >> > > >> > Joan > >> > > >> > At 12:56 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote: > >> > >The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the > >> > Luttrell > >> > >Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on > >> > horseback > >> > >page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a > >> > transparent > >> > >white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle. > >> > > > >> > >There are some very fine silk fabrics in the Textiles and Clothing > >> > (London > >> > >finds) but I was hoping for some historical perspective. > >> > > > >> > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 09:14:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LEEfkX010440 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LEEdZs016432; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LEE0il098591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:14:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LEDt94005807; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:13:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LEDoK4005532 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A00D02DC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:13:33 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 21 Feb 2006 09:13:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00d401c636f1$465917e0$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion><1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <009201c6369e$0c388080$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:15:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB204F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Re the perception of color in these portraits: For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate over a period of time. In the present world, I have seen color changes on bolts and even garments that have never seen the light of day go entirely from one color to another. For instance, there is a certain grey from the middle of the 20th C, that seems to change to pink within a 40 yr. span. My daughter"s pale blue taffeta promgown from the 1990s is now a sort of interesting pale rose. I have a bolt of rayon velvet from the'70s that is presently an interesting shade of lavender. In reference to these portraits under discussion, might the colors on the canvas have changed, or the garments themselves have been 'changeable'? kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > Misremembering happens to all of us! Seriously, though, it could be two > different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as > queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great > chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that, > especially since so many of our details are similar. And maybe it explains > why some of the reproductions seem so pink and others more orange? I don't > know about "yours"--we only had time for the National Gallery of Art (which > was on its last day of a Truly Cool Exhibit on Fabric in Portraits), and > didn't make it over to the Portrait Gallery. Well, maybe we could have, if > I hadn't been making a complete pig of myself in the bookstore. > I've seen monochrome embroidery done in red in a couple of portraits in my > books, and a little of it in the Textile Rooms at the V&A. A friend of mine > says it's known as "morisco" work (spelling optional at this time of the > evening ;o) I *think* I've got a copy of a painting of Mary I with red > embroidery somewhere. I *think.* (sorry...bad case of chocolate cravings > paired with knitting fatigue from the Knitting Olympics! LOL!) > --Sue > p.s. I like your Ghandi quote.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Habra" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > > > > > > When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, > and > > > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to > > > it > > > at all. > > > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut > and > > > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is gold > > > thread (looks distinctly metallic). > > > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... > > > > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor > > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. > > > > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I > > discovered that her chemise had redwork on the cuffs! I hadn't heard of > > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't have > > enough detail to show it. Very cool! > > > > Diana > > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > > "Everything for the Costumer" > > > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > > --Ghandi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 09:16:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LEGQBj010497 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:16:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LEGOCm016406; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LEFaLA098867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LEFaG3007626; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav16.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LEFWID007467 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:15:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:15:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060220181402.74902.qmail@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:15:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2006 14:15:29.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[44758AD0:01C636F1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:16:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB20B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My Show will be costumed and acyed by those in their final year in the Theatre program at Dalhousie University in Halifax. A bit of a commute for you, maybe ;-) The clothes already are being pulled together and look great. I'm looking forward to seeing it. This has been the season of very emotional plays. A tough year on all the students, and they are thriving! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear) > One of the local theater groups in Santa Rosa, CA, is also doing > Urinetown. Is this yet another production, or is this being costumed by > one of you? If the latter, it gives me even greater incentive to go. :-) > > ~mary > (Sorry for the late reply, I got behind on this list and I'm still trying > to catch up....) > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:00:20 -0400 > From: "Kelly Grant" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear/Urinetown > > > What is this...the year for depression era Urinetown???We're doing the > same > sho for the final one of the season...we'll get the scetches next week! > Kelly > > > >>From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear >>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 >> >>Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the >>depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a >>production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era >>feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's >>actually the future, I believe). >> >>I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps >>someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my >>inspiration. >> >>As always, thanks in advance. >> >>angela >>+++++ >>Angela F. Lazear >>Cabbage Rose Costumes >>www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >>Theatrical Costume Design > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. 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Status: RO I don't know about hand kissing, but I always understood that if a lady was wearing "dress" gloves - that is evening gloves or gloves simply as part of her ensemble she left them on and if she was wearing riding or gardening gloves or the like, they came off (obviously I would think) for hand shaking/introductions. Seems a simple rule that makes sense to apply to hand kissing as well. Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 10:26:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFQ0rk012073 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFPwj2020862; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LFOwvj010313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFOshq080267; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:24:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [202.136.32.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LB5KfU042197 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@dodo.com.au) Received: from [61.68.235.129] (helo=GILGAMESH) by relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FBVKW-0000mN-5d for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:05:17 +1100 Message-ID: <003e01c636d6$b352d810$81eb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Purple Elephant" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:35:16 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] turban/veils X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB3106.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1LFQ0rk012073 Status: RO Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice about 14th/15th century habit of wrapping one's veil about one's head to become a kind of turban. I have a general understanding of the procedure, but every time I try it it seems to end up looking bulky and wierd. I was wondering what dimensions of veil seem to work best for this? I tend to cut my veils quite large, cos I like having lots of fabric hanging about (and then they can also double as basket cloths, aprons etc), which I suspect is not helpful. Also I have quite a lot of hair. Are there any other little tips? Thanks muchly, Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 10:26:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFQ2Nh012080 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFQ0Lj001435; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LFPQYZ010404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFPP5D080873; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LBWAX0066121 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 897A835FF4 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:32:09 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:32:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00dd01c636a9$17d84460$6400a8c0@Penny> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB3108.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.balanceplus.com/ I haven't been keeping a close watch on the dance skating but what I have seen seems to match the ballroom dancing/dancing with the stars type outfits. Molting huh? darn I missed that. :) Yes, snowboarding with the rapa' style pants aka. anticipation pants. Have you seen the medals? It looks like someone found good use for all those free aol discs or someone is missing a lot of washers. And the torches, well lets just say it looks like it could vibrate. Humor aside. I commend the Italians for being innovative with their designs, with the exception of the mascots. Though I understand that coming up with a mascot isn't easy. De -----Original Message----- Has anyone been watching curling at the Olympics? Does anyone know what kind of shoes the athletes are wearing? I thought at first they were skates. But they are not. They are soled shoes that glide on the ice easily. Any opinions on the ice dancing costumes? There must have been a sale on skin-toned beige. LOL! I heard today that one rule is that the women could not show their navels. The featured swan costume was molting! Maybe she should have met up with the male skater, Weir's swan costume. Some of the snowboard outfits looked like 1950s pajamas. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 10:27:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFRh5B012121 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:27:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFRfKh001514; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:27:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LFRIKq010918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFRGHk082885; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LDbWZ1072968 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.212.135e32e9 (3858) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <212.135e32e9.312c7190@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:37:20 EST Subject: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:27:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB316D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO re organdy / organza - the first time I mentioned it I meant it was the closest sounding word, not that it was the closest fabric (it's not). gauze is definitely around from the 13th century (approx), but it's naturally hard to tell whether it was the same fabric as later gauze - that it was very fine, and possibly sheer is about all we can know, unless there are finds I'm unaware of. Probably the best we can currently say is that very fine and sheer fabrics were around, and that they could have been of silk, or linen, or wool! debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 10:27:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFRhIP012122 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:27:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFRfhT003945; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:27:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LFROno010979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFRMEl082995; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFRHp3082923 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8708E409A6 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:27:17 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.12ccf5 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:27:17 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD+zFVfcIseAIAAAAB,fc099d0a40ae374d58454e10471ef526 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.138] Message-Id: <20060221072717.23B6A792@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:27:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB316D.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Don't know about the curling shoes, but the skaters costumes are really awful this year. I was thinking last night that they should have points for the costumes, but then they would all have them deleted so it would balance out. The snowboarding is a cross over from skateboarding and the kids wear their clothes so big it is a wonder they can keep them up. It looks like the snowboarding outfits are a takeoff on the oversize stuff the kids are wearing. I am just so amazed at what they can do that I forget what they are wearing. I am afraid the costumes are evolving and I am being left behind. Oh well, the skating is still beautiful and the snowboarding is exciting even if their clothes leave a lot to be desired. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:38:49 -0500 To: "h-costume" Subject: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Has anyone been watching curling at the Olympics? Does anyone know what kind of shoes the athletes are wearing? I thought at first they were skates. But they are not. They are soled shoes that glide on the ice easily. Any opinions on the ice dancing costumes? There must have been a sale on skin-toned beige. LOL! I heard today that one rule is that the women could not show their navels. The featured swan costume was molting! Maybe she should have met up with the male skater, Weir's swan costume. Some of the snowboard outfits looked like 1950s pajamas. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 10:28:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFSWPg012152 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:28:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFSSeX022040; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:28:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LFRdrd011104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFRbVF083304; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LEwIZL053573 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24718.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.24]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 155DD262877 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:58:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c636f7$4afa2f90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion><1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><009201c6369e$0c388080$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <00d401c636f1$465917e0$905083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:58:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:28:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB319C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Ah yes, and the purple wheelfarthingale dress i made for Castle Selsø has turned brownish grey :-) Anyway it was a dupioni silk, and they dont hold their colours very long. Dress was exhibited in a room with morning sun. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > Re the perception of color in these portraits: > For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed > textiles > of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some > chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate > over a period of time. In the present world, I have seen color changes on > bolts and even garments that have never seen the light of day go entirely > from one color to another. > For instance, there is a certain grey from the middle of the 20th C, that > seems to change to pink within a 40 yr. span. My daughter"s pale blue > taffeta promgown from the 1990s is now a sort of interesting pale rose. I > have a bolt of rayon velvet from the'70s that is presently an interesting > shade of lavender. > > In reference to these portraits under discussion, might the colors on the > canvas have changed, or the garments themselves have been 'changeable'? > > kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > >> Misremembering happens to all of us! Seriously, though, it could be > two >> different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as >> queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great >> chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that, >> especially since so many of our details are similar. And maybe it > explains >> why some of the reproductions seem so pink and others more orange? I >> don't >> know about "yours"--we only had time for the National Gallery of Art > (which >> was on its last day of a Truly Cool Exhibit on Fabric in Portraits), and >> didn't make it over to the Portrait Gallery. Well, maybe we could have, > if >> I hadn't been making a complete pig of myself in the bookstore. >> I've seen monochrome embroidery done in red in a couple of portraits in >> my >> books, and a little of it in the Textile Rooms at the V&A. A friend of > mine >> says it's known as "morisco" work (spelling optional at this time of the >> evening ;o) I *think* I've got a copy of a painting of Mary I with red >> embroidery somewhere. I *think.* (sorry...bad case of chocolate >> cravings >> paired with knitting fatigue from the Knitting Olympics! LOL!) >> --Sue >> p.s. I like your Ghandi quote.... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diana Habra" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth >> >> >> > >> > > When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in >> > > 2002, >> and >> > > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange > to >> > > it >> > > at all. >> > > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut >> and >> > > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is > gold >> > > thread (looks distinctly metallic). >> > > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... >> > >> > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor >> > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. >> > >> > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I >> > discovered that her chemise had redwork on the cuffs! I hadn't heard >> > of >> > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't > have >> > enough detail to show it. Very cool! >> > >> > Diana >> > >> > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >> > "Everything for the Costumer" >> > >> > "Become the change you want to see in the world." >> > --Ghandi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 10:31:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFV5s3012229 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LFV3pv023330; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LFUVV0012501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:30:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFUJhC086175; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LFTpeY085674 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.293.603a5b1 (26116) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:29:37 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <293.603a5b1.312c8be1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:29:37 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB3237.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/21/2006 10:27:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: but the skaters costumes are really awful this year. I was thinking last night that they should have points for the costumes, but then they would all have them deleted so it would balance out. I think the costumes from last night's long program were an improvement over the compulsory dance ones. I was impressed that the few I saw actually seemed to fit the theme of the music--Romeo and Juliet, Carmen, and flamenco. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:02:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LG2vKl013261 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:02:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LG2tlQ006539; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LG29xJ027994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LG25Zi022510; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1LG20Vc022428 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:02:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 16950 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 08:02:00 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16920, pid: 16934, t: 2.4937s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1292 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 08:01:57 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060221074739.0232b598@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:01:52 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth In-Reply-To: <001901c636f7$4afa2f90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <009201c6369e$0c388080$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <00d401c636f1$465917e0$905083d1@rmitchellras> <001901c636f7$4afa2f90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LG20Vc022428 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:02:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB39AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fabric dyes vary in their resistance to color change. Some dyes change color, some just fade, some do both. It also depends upon the fabric itself; in my experience cottons and linens tend to hold their colors better than silks. Wools have held their colors well. I had some acetate plaid taffeta that changed color while stored in a dark closet under fairly constant climatic conditions. So synthetics, in my experience, have the worst survival characteristics. Pigments for painting are generally minerals, so the colors have a better chance to survive intact, although where some organic pigments are used, they can fade/change just like fabric. There are some minerals that do change color due to chemical reactions with air, though modern analytic techniques can determine what the original mineral was and restore the proper color. The usual reason for color changes in portraits are the accumulation of dust, soot, etc., on the surface and earlier attempts to protect the painting with varnish, which often darkens with age. Joan At 06:58 AM 2/21/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Ah yes, and the purple wheelfarthingale dress i >made for Castle Selsø has turned brownish grey :-) >Anyway it was a dupioni silk, and they dont hold >their colours very long. Dress was exhibited in a room with morning sun. > >Bjarne > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:15 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > >>Re the perception of color in these portraits: >>For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles >>of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some >>chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate >>over a period of time. In the present world, I have seen color changes on >>bolts and even garments that have never seen the light of day go entirely >>from one color to another. >>For instance, there is a certain grey from the middle of the 20th C, that >>seems to change to pink within a 40 yr. span. My daughter"s pale blue >>taffeta promgown from the 1990s is now a sort of interesting pale rose. I >>have a bolt of rayon velvet from the'70s that is presently an interesting >>shade of lavender. >> >>In reference to these portraits under discussion, might the colors on the >>canvas have changed, or the garments themselves have been 'changeable'? >> >>kathleen >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" >>To: "Historical Costume" >>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:19 PM >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth >> >> >>>Misremembering happens to all of us! Seriously, though, it could be >>two >>>different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as >>>queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great >>>chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that, >>>especially since so many of our details are similar. And maybe it >>explains >>>why some of the reproductions seem so pink and others more orange? I don't >>>know about "yours"--we only had time for the National Gallery of Art >>(which >>>was on its last day of a Truly Cool Exhibit on Fabric in Portraits), and >>>didn't make it over to the Portrait Gallery. Well, maybe we could have, >>if >>>I hadn't been making a complete pig of myself in the bookstore. >>>I've seen monochrome embroidery done in red in a couple of portraits in my >>>books, and a little of it in the Textile Rooms at the V&A. A friend of >>mine >>>says it's known as "morisco" work (spelling optional at this time of the >>>evening ;o) I *think* I've got a copy of a painting of Mary I with red >>>embroidery somewhere. I *think.* (sorry...bad case of chocolate cravings >>>paired with knitting fatigue from the Knitting Olympics! LOL!) >>>--Sue >>>p.s. I like your Ghandi quote.... >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Diana Habra" >>>To: "Historical Costume" >>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:45 PM >>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> > >>> > > When did you see it in the Portrait >>> Gallery? I was in England in > > 2002, >>>and >>> > > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange >>to >>> > > it >>> > > at all. >>> > > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut >>>and >>> > > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is >>gold >>> > > thread (looks distinctly metallic). >>> > > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... >>> > >>> > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor >>> > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. >>> > >>> > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I >>> > discovered that her chemise had redwork on >>> the cuffs! I hadn't heard > of >>> > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't >>have >>> > enough detail to show it. Very cool! >>> > >>> > Diana >>> > >>> > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >>> > "Everything for the Costumer" >>> > >>> > "Become the change you want to see in the world." >>> > --Ghandi >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:10:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGAsdC013571 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:10:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGAqEc010664; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:10:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGAFBq031549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGAB22031399; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGA63M031223 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.217.1358a52a (39329) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:09:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <217.1358a52a.312c9556@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:09:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:10:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB3B8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/21/2006 2:10:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: But organdy and organza are two very different things, an order of magnitude different in weight! Yeah.... but they both are used for children's clothes and they both make good petticoats. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:19:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGJLuX014275 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:19:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGJJlZ014781; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGIg5a035264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:18:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGIemC041127; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:18:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGIagw041035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:18:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGIZNV032222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:18:36 -0500 Message-ID: <43FB3D5C.6000602@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:18:36 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes References: <293.603a5b1.312c8be1@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <293.603a5b1.312c8be1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:19:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB3D87.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > I think the costumes from last night's long program were an improvement over > the compulsory dance ones. I was impressed that the few I saw actually > seemed to fit the theme of the music--Romeo and Juliet, Carmen, and flamenco. ...and then there were the Italians! (http://www.nbcolympics.com/2006/0220/5121831_640X480.jpg) My first reaction to their costume was "hey, that looks like something I'd put together when my daughter says 'Mom, can you make me a fantasy costume for an event...it starts in an hour'" My husband called it the "walked through a fabric store with glue on" look. Second reaction was: "then again, it looks like a modern interpretation of some nice early Baroque opera costumes" Of course, when the music started (music from movie 'Prince of Eygypt') I couldn't help but think "yeah I can see Moses and Zippora tending sheep in that outfit..." But the skating was lovely! - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:19:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGJviJ014288 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:19:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGJrxJ007303; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:19:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGJ90q035486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGJ9mT041654; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1LGJ5gb041539 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 1313 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 16:17:17 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:17:17 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1162.67.169.138.79.1140538836.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <00d401c636f1$465917e0$905083d1@rmitchellras> References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion><1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <009201c6369e$0c388080$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <00d401c636f1$465917e0$905083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:19:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB3DA9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Re the perception of color in these portraits: > For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed > textiles > of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some > chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate > over a period of time. In the present world, I have seen color changes on > bolts and even garments that have never seen the light of day go entirely > from one color to another. > For instance, there is a certain grey from the middle of the 20th C, that > seems to change to pink within a 40 yr. span. My daughter"s pale blue > taffeta promgown from the 1990s is now a sort of interesting pale rose. I > have a bolt of rayon velvet from the'70s that is presently an interesting > shade of lavender. > > In reference to these portraits under discussion, might the colors on the > canvas have changed, or the garments themselves have been 'changeable'? I would say yes. Paint colors change, fabric colors change and/or fade. I have some wool floss that was dyed with period dyes and it has faded after only 10 years. As for your personal fabrics, I have heard that acetate changes colors after many years. I'm not sure how rayon behaves but maybe it is similar. The more likely reason for the Princess Elizabeth painting changes is that there were copies made. I have personally seen a copy of the famous Eleanora of Toledo wedding dress painting in Sacramento, California at a small museum. It is one of 4 copies of the painting and was copied close to the time it was originally painted. I'm not sure why painters would have made more than one copy of a portrait, but they did..... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:26:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGQYJS014414 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:26:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGQWOR018518; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGPoZj037494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGPkRC048978; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGPeob048881 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:25:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6590136067 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:25:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:25:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB3F38.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A better picture. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html I sat down once and copied the pattern on graph paper but I can't seem to find it. De -----Original Message----- Speaking of redwork, do you know the one of Bess of Hardwick? Go to http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/british/brit-h.htm and click on the first link under her name. I love the way the white fur lining pokes out of the bodice opening. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:38:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGcImb014689 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:38:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGcGcQ024766; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:38:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGbL3x039584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGbGim062117; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGbCJC061927 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.23c.749c8ca (3932) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:31:53 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <23c.749c8ca.312c9a79@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:31:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 173 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:38:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB41F8.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/21/06 4:27:15 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles > of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some > chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate > over a period of time. not an expert by any means, but it's possible. most common effect from sunlight would probably be fading (can do that with modern colours too of course). And black that was dyed using iron can be corrosive (see the embroidered jacket in the v&a where the black thread used is literally being eaten by the dye. debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:40:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGdul7014722 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:39:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGdsEo022614; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:39:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGdFQX040000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGdEIo064398; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1LGd9kj064276 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62478 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 16:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 16:39:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060221163318.01d65be8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:39:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060221074739.0232b598@surewest.net> References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <009201c6369e$0c388080$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> <00d401c636f1$465917e0$905083d1@rmitchellras> <001901c636f7$4afa2f90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060221074739.0232b598@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LGd9kj064276 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB425A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:01 21/02/2006, you wrote: >Fabric dyes vary in their resistance to color >change. Some dyes change color, some just fade, >some do both. It also depends upon the fabric >itself; in my experience cottons and linens tend >to hold their colors better than silks. Wools >have held their colors well. I had some acetate >plaid taffeta that changed color while stored in >a dark closet under fairly constant climatic >conditions. So synthetics, in my experience, >have the worst survival characteristics. > >Pigments for painting are generally minerals, so >the colors have a better chance to survive >intact, although where some organic pigments are >used, they can fade/change just like >fabric. There are some minerals that do change >color due to chemical reactions with air, though >modern analytic techniques can determine what >the original mineral was and restore the proper >color. The usual reason for color changes in >portraits are the accumulation of dust, soot, >etc., on the surface and earlier attempts to >protect the painting with varnish, which often darkens with age. According to QEWU "The deep pink gown is fashionably cut and the material is described in the records of Edward Vl's collection of pictures "....the ladye Elizabeth her grace with a booke in her hande her gowne like crymsen clothe of golde with workes". Just o confuse matters you understand. When I was at college we went to see the portraits at Windsor, and this was always referred to as the "Pink Princess", which tends to make me think that we all "saw" it as a pink dress. Suzi >>Hi, >>Ah yes, and the purple wheelfarthingale dress i >>made for Castle Selsø has turned brownish grey :-) >>Anyway it was a dupioni silk, and they dont >>hold their colours very long. Dress was exhibited in a room with morning sun. >> >>Bjarne >> >> >>>Re the perception of color in these portraits: >>>For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles >>>of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some >>>chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate >>>over a period of time. In the present world, I have seen color changes on >>>bolts and even garments that have never seen the light of day go entirely >>>from one color to another. >>>For instance, there is a certain grey from the middle of the 20th C, that >>>seems to change to pink within a 40 yr. span. My daughter"s pale blue >>>taffeta promgown from the 1990s is now a sort of interesting pale rose. I >>>have a bolt of rayon velvet from the'70s that is presently an interesting >>>shade of lavender. >>> >>>In reference to these portraits under discussion, might the colors on the >>>canvas have changed, or the garments themselves have been 'changeable'? >>> >>>kathleen >>> >>> >>>>Misremembering happens to all of us! Seriously, though, it could be >>>two >>>>different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as >>>>queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great >>>>chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that, >>>>especially since so many of our details are similar. And maybe it >>>explains >>>>why some of the reproductions seem so pink and others more orange? I don't >>>>know about "yours"--we only had time for the National Gallery of Art >>>(which >>>>was on its last day of a Truly Cool Exhibit on Fabric in Portraits), and >>>>didn't make it over to the Portrait Gallery. Well, maybe we could have, >>>if >>>>I hadn't been making a complete pig of myself in the bookstore. >>>>I've seen monochrome embroidery done in red in a couple of portraits in my >>>>books, and a little of it in the Textile Rooms at the V&A. A friend of >>>mine >>>>says it's known as "morisco" work (spelling optional at this time of the >>>>evening ;o) I *think* I've got a copy of a painting of Mary I with red >>>>embroidery somewhere. I *think.* (sorry...bad case of chocolate cravings >>>>paired with knitting fatigue from the Knitting Olympics! LOL!) >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > > When did you see it in the Portrait >>>> Gallery? I was in England in > > 2002, >>>>and >>>> > > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange >>>to >>>> > > it >>>> > > at all. >>>> > > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut >>>>and >>>> > > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is >>>gold >>>> > > thread (looks distinctly metallic). >>>> > > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... >>>> > >>>> > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor >>>> > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. >>>> > >>>> > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I >>>> > discovered that her chemise had redwork on >>>> the cuffs! I hadn't heard > of >>>> > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't >>>have >>>> > enough detail to show it. Very cool! >>>> > >>>> > Diana >>>> > >>>> > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >>>> > "Everything for the Costumer" >>>> > >>>> > "Become the change you want to see in the world." >>>> > --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:43:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGhbWm014811 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:43:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGhZdu027907; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:43:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGh7um040817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:43:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGgeUL068358; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1LGgP5J067939 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82738 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 16:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 16:42:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060221164130.01dd72f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:42:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:43:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB4337.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:25 21/02/2006, you wrote: >A better picture. >http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html >I sat down once and copied the pattern on graph paper but I can't seem to >find it. >De I love it that the neck and wrist ruffs are edged in red too, at least that's how I see them. Suzi >-----Original Message----- >Speaking of redwork, do you know the one of Bess of Hardwick? Go to >http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/british/brit-h.htm and click on the >first link under her name. I love the way the white fur lining pokes out of >the bodice opening. > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:56:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGuRQp015119 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:56:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGuNhi002737; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:56:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGttX8043782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:55:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGtp6Z084378; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:55:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGthl5084217 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00694 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:40 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:18 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Thread-Index: AcY2qj0zDu/zbDsVQVm3SXwX3mjTZwAWuBjg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LGthl5084217 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:56:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB4637.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is always a lot of skin-toned beige in ice-dancing costumes, to say nothing of some unfortunate color combinations. Turqouise blue with leopard print--Ouch! And did most of the competitors lug tanning booths into the Olympic Village, or were several tons of spray-on brought in? Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 11:56:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGud9J015124 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LGubUk003587; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LGttZQ043783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:55:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGtorF084367; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:55:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGthq0084218 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00687 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:40 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in contextRe:FlemishRE:tippets ... Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:13 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in contextRe:FlemishRE:tippets ... Thread-Index: AcY2eDzyTEHdg0PrQfOvLrbkkPNEaQAjYJFg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LGthq0084218 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:56:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB4645.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Anne was curvy--too curvy, apparently that Henry at least stated that he thought she was no virgin. He found her breasts too slack and she certainly was far from possessing six-pack abs. Good Clevian girls were supposed to sit at home and sew and Henry's previous wives were apparently more active. Anne Boleyn was an adept horsewoman who loved to hunt. Jane Seymour grew up on a country estate, and Katherine of Aragon, at least before child-bearing and age(menopause was no fun in those times)was also active. The ideal vision of a virgin in Henry's era had small high breasts, a not too narrow waist and hips wider than the breast measurement. Henry did not blame the artist, Holbein. Instead he sacked Thomas Cromwell and had him beheaded when Cromwell couldn't free him from having to wed Anne. Then Henry promptly wed the tiny, slightly plump Catherine Howard, who might have met the virginal body type, but certainly wasn't in truth. Apparently, she had no problem fooling Henry she was a nice, pure girl, until he was otherwise informed. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 12:03:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LH3WcV015346 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:03:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LH3UsN006223; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:03:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LH2YkZ044973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LH1mr8091195; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LH1TgU090780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBat1-0000WQ-8G; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:01:15 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:01:15 -0600 Message-ID: <20060221110115.pa1vmukjkx000w0s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:01:15 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > A better picture. > http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html > I sat down once and copied the pattern on graph paper but I can't seem to > find it. I think it was charted on those "temporarily removed" blackwork archives that were parked on Drea Leeds web site. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 13:56:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LIuSSQ018924 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:56:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LIuQP4025296; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:56:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LItlpb076369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LIti6M024965; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LItVtf024694 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so905435wra for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=i1DwuQWDGNij/McqGZetnqjEPRJxZl96bgPgegZvp/Ha8bnZXQkv5o3JwjNhO0KAncmS1SkX/SF1WYswtokZtX/xA12tlt3R6mubVwha2/fM/NewBbqi1GiOnAiZiqageoPFo/Hm/eKtwg5XA72hWhsHvKa2XqOLT6aKim6uJC4= Received: by 10.64.24.20 with SMTP id 20mr310677qbx; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.5 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:29 -0800 From: Cin To: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" , h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LItVtf024694 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:56:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB625A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <002701c633f5$f0da99e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original >Hi Cynthia, >No no, sorry i take my words back. I really have misunderstanded this. I >didnt realise that you could wear a bumroll without to tye it to the bodice, >sorry........... >As said i only made one dress of this period many years ago, it was for a >danser and she had no bumroll for this dress. But i would make a small >bumroll if i made one today............... >Bjarne No apology needed! As you said yourself, none of us really know how things were done. We're all experimenting. I've only made 2-3 of these gowns, but unlike you, I make them for myself, not someone else. No insults intended. My apologies if I sounded harsh. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 13:56:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LIuSfk018925 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:56:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LIuQXA017392; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:56:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LItaAw076299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LIswZe024133; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LIslwi023755 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F30A29C5 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:54:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43FB6228.10106@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:55:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:56:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB625A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > To me, the facial expression in the "rose pink" version looks slightly different from nos. 1 and 3. I think I remember seeing that version in the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace about 20 years ago. If it's in the Royal Collection it may well now be at Windsor. > I can't see a difference in the paintings, myself, but it does appear they were all scanned from different sources, probably photos or book pictures with slightly different inks. I've never heard of there being multiple copies of this portrait, from any source. I've always thought of the gown as salmon colored. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 14:21:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJLXrk019498 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:21:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJLVIp005044; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LJKbmV081906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJKGEx053733; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJJvT7053380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LGW5GH002900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <43FB4084.7080204@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:32:04 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes References: <293.603a5b1.312c8be1@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <293.603a5b1.312c8be1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:21:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB683B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Anyone remember the fantastical costumes of another favorite ice dancing pair, the Russian team of Bestimianova and Butin who dominated the sport in the 1980s? For the 1988 Olympic long program they wore this black and gold number: http://www.holidayonice.com/img/stars_nathalie_andre.jpg That was also the year of the "dueling Carmens" Katerina Witt and Debi Thomas. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 14:24:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJORSK019592 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:24:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJON13006329; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:24:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LJNl1N082326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJNiQb057384; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:23:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJ2Na4031872 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FBcmE-0002W8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:02:22 -0500 Message-ID: <17852143.1140548542304.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:02:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LJ2Na4031872 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:24:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB68E7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Referring to those red fox-hunting jackets as "pinks" raises the additional question of just what the British historically meant when they called something "pink." --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Suzi Clarke >Sent: Feb 21, 2006 11:39 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > >At 16:01 21/02/2006, you wrote: >>Fabric dyes vary in their resistance to color >>change. Some dyes change color, some just fade, >>some do both. It also depends upon the fabric >>itself; in my experience cottons and linens tend >>to hold their colors better than silks. Wools >>have held their colors well. I had some acetate >>plaid taffeta that changed color while stored in >>a dark closet under fairly constant climatic >>conditions. So synthetics, in my experience, >>have the worst survival characteristics. >> >>Pigments for painting are generally minerals, so >>the colors have a better chance to survive >>intact, although where some organic pigments are >>used, they can fade/change just like >>fabric. There are some minerals that do change >>color due to chemical reactions with air, though >>modern analytic techniques can determine what >>the original mineral was and restore the proper >>color. The usual reason for color changes in >>portraits are the accumulation of dust, soot, >>etc., on the surface and earlier attempts to >>protect the painting with varnish, which often darkens with age. > >According to QEWU "The deep pink gown is >fashionably cut and the material is described in >the records of Edward Vl's collection of pictures >"....the ladye Elizabeth her grace with a booke >in her hande her gowne like crymsen clothe of >golde with workes". Just o confuse matters you >understand. When I was at college we went to see >the portraits at Windsor, and this was always >referred to as the "Pink Princess", which tends >to make me think that we all "saw" it as a pink dress. > >Suzi > >>>Hi, >>>Ah yes, and the purple wheelfarthingale dress i >>>made for Castle Selsø has turned brownish grey :-) >>>Anyway it was a dupioni silk, and they dont >>>hold their colours very long. Dress was exhibited in a room with morning sun. >>> >>>Bjarne >>> >>> >>>>Re the perception of color in these portraits: >>>>For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles >>>>of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some >>>>chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate >>>>over a period of time. In the present world, I have seen color changes on >>>>bolts and even garments that have never seen the light of day go entirely >>>>from one color to another. >>>>For instance, there is a certain grey from the middle of the 20th C, that >>>>seems to change to pink within a 40 yr. span. My daughter"s pale blue >>>>taffeta promgown from the 1990s is now a sort of interesting pale rose. I >>>>have a bolt of rayon velvet from the'70s that is presently an interesting >>>>shade of lavender. >>>> >>>>In reference to these portraits under discussion, might the colors on the >>>>canvas have changed, or the garments themselves have been 'changeable'? >>>> >>>>kathleen >>>> >>>> >>>>>Misremembering happens to all of us! Seriously, though, it could be >>>>two >>>>>different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as >>>>>queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great >>>>>chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that, >>>>>especially since so many of our details are similar. And maybe it >>>>explains >>>>>why some of the reproductions seem so pink and others more orange? I don't >>>>>know about "yours"--we only had time for the National Gallery of Art >>>>(which >>>>>was on its last day of a Truly Cool Exhibit on Fabric in Portraits), and >>>>>didn't make it over to the Portrait Gallery. Well, maybe we could have, >>>>if >>>>>I hadn't been making a complete pig of myself in the bookstore. >>>>>I've seen monochrome embroidery done in red in a couple of portraits in my >>>>>books, and a little of it in the Textile Rooms at the V&A. A friend of >>>>mine >>>>>says it's known as "morisco" work (spelling optional at this time of the >>>>>evening ;o) I *think* I've got a copy of a painting of Mary I with red >>>>>embroidery somewhere. I *think.* (sorry...bad case of chocolate cravings >>>>>paired with knitting fatigue from the Knitting Olympics! LOL!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > > When did you see it in the Portrait >>>>> Gallery? I was in England in > > 2002, >>>>>and >>>>> > > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange >>>>to >>>>> > > it >>>>> > > at all. >>>>> > > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut >>>>>and >>>>> > > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is >>>>gold >>>>> > > thread (looks distinctly metallic). >>>>> > > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... >>>>> > >>>>> > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor >>>>> > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. >>>>> > >>>>> > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I >>>>> > discovered that her chemise had redwork on >>>>> the cuffs! I hadn't heard > of >>>>> > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't >>>>have >>>>> > enough detail to show it. Very cool! >>>>> > >>>>> > Diana >>>>> > >>>>> > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >>>>> > "Everything for the Costumer" >>>>> > >>>>> > "Become the change you want to see in the world." >>>>> > --Ghandi > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 14:40:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJeJ7f019968 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:40:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJeHkD014422; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:40:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LJdgO1084827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJdYAf072618; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJdINi072274 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1LJdCe04535.; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:39:12 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:39:12 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:39:03 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LJdINi072274 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:40:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB6CA1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, the colour name "pink" is supposed to derive from the flower, which is so called because the edges of the petals are "pinked". The uncultivated form of the flower is pink rather than scarlet. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> ruthanneb@mindspring.com 21/02/2006 19:02 >>> Referring to those red fox-hunting jackets as "pinks" raises the additional question of just what the British historically meant when they called something "pink." --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 14:47:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJl8qR020141 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:47:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJl6Xx017965; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:47:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LJjI1H085622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJjG52077627; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJjAHG077474 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:45:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FBdRY-000DjW-8F for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:45:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:43:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: *Auto Saved* Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes References: <293.603a5b1.312c8be1@aol.com> <43FB3D5C.6000602@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <43FB3D5C.6000602@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:47:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB6E3A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hope Greenberg wrote >AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >> I think the costumes from last night's long program were an >>improvement over the compulsory dance ones. I was impressed that >>the few I saw actually seemed to fit the theme of the music--Romeo >>and Juliet, Carmen, and flamenco. > >...and then there were the Italians! >(http://www.nbcolympics.com/2006/0220/5121831_640X480.jpg) > >My first reaction to their costume was "hey, that looks like something >I'd put together when my daughter says 'Mom, can you make me a fantasy >costume for an event...it starts in an hour'" My husband called it the >"walked through a fabric store with glue on" look. > >Second reaction was: "then again, it looks like a modern interpretation >of some nice early Baroque opera costumes" > >Of course, when the music started (music from movie 'Prince of Eygypt') >I couldn't help but think "yeah I can see Moses and Zippora tending >sheep in that outfit..." > >But the skating was lovely! > >- Hope That one was really vile, and it didn't help their presentation - when they did lifts, the costumes were so busy you couldn't tell which bits were her and which were him! But the other Italians were just as bad - strawberry and pistachio, and then she turned round and it had flowers as well! Like swimwear for "mature" ladies - yeugh! I do think the short programme outfits suffered from the fact they were all doing "Latin", which always has ridiculously skimpy dresses. I don't know if they were required to do Latin rhythms - it didn't seem to suit all of them as dancers. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 14:54:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJs5CG020362 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:54:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJs21E021734; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:54:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LJrdRg086893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJrawY086666; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJgUg4074672 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:42:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACFB0388; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:41:47 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 21 Feb 2006 14:41:38 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01c6371f$208c0940$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><005601c6368e$44226ac0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion><1323.67.169.138.79.1140489959.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><009201c6369e$0c388080$b7bfa6d8@pavilion><00d401c636f1$465917e0$905083d1@rmitchellras><001901c636f7$4afa2f90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.1.0.2.20060221074739.0232b598@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060221163318.01d65be8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:43:41 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:54:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB6FDB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the many responses to my query on color perception and 'mutations'. This has been very interesting to me with examples of both fibers and painting/printing copies. Through the years I have had customers who come armed with a picture from which they expect a costume copy. Trying to tell them that they do not have a 'fair print' for reproduction purposes, especially regarding color, has truly been problematical. If it is a color that was not available for the time period, there is usually fuss and bother. Lately, I do not mind telling them to pick a 'right color' or find someone else to do up their creation. Sigh, Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > At 16:01 21/02/2006, you wrote: > >Fabric dyes vary in their resistance to color > >change. Some dyes change color, some just fade, > >some do both. It also depends upon the fabric > >itself; in my experience cottons and linens tend > >to hold their colors better than silks. Wools > >have held their colors well. I had some acetate > >plaid taffeta that changed color while stored in > >a dark closet under fairly constant climatic > >conditions. So synthetics, in my experience, > >have the worst survival characteristics. > > > >Pigments for painting are generally minerals, so > >the colors have a better chance to survive > >intact, although where some organic pigments are > >used, they can fade/change just like > >fabric. There are some minerals that do change > >color due to chemical reactions with air, though > >modern analytic techniques can determine what > >the original mineral was and restore the proper > >color. The usual reason for color changes in > >portraits are the accumulation of dust, soot, > >etc., on the surface and earlier attempts to > >protect the painting with varnish, which often darkens with age. > > According to QEWU "The deep pink gown is > fashionably cut and the material is described in > the records of Edward Vl's collection of pictures > "....the ladye Elizabeth her grace with a booke > in her hande her gowne like crymsen clothe of > golde with workes". Just o confuse matters you > understand. When I was at college we went to see > the portraits at Windsor, and this was always > referred to as the "Pink Princess", which tends > to make me think that we all "saw" it as a pink dress. > > Suzi > > >>Hi, > >>Ah yes, and the purple wheelfarthingale dress i > >>made for Castle Selsø has turned brownish grey :-) > >>Anyway it was a dupioni silk, and they dont > >>hold their colours very long. Dress was exhibited in a room with morning sun. > >> > >>Bjarne > >> > >> > >>>Re the perception of color in these portraits: > >>>For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles > >>>of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some > >>>chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate > >>>over a period of time. In the present world, I have seen color changes on > >>>bolts and even garments that have never seen the light of day go entirely > >>>from one color to another. > >>>For instance, there is a certain grey from the middle of the 20th C, that > >>>seems to change to pink within a 40 yr. span. My daughter"s pale blue > >>>taffeta promgown from the 1990s is now a sort of interesting pale rose. I > >>>have a bolt of rayon velvet from the'70s that is presently an interesting > >>>shade of lavender. > >>> > >>>In reference to these portraits under discussion, might the colors on the > >>>canvas have changed, or the garments themselves have been 'changeable'? > >>> > >>>kathleen > >>> > >>> > >>>>Misremembering happens to all of us! Seriously, though, it could be > >>>two > >>>>different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as > >>>>queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great > >>>>chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that, > >>>>especially since so many of our details are similar. And maybe it > >>>explains > >>>>why some of the reproductions seem so pink and others more orange? I don't > >>>>know about "yours"--we only had time for the National Gallery of Art > >>>(which > >>>>was on its last day of a Truly Cool Exhibit on Fabric in Portraits), and > >>>>didn't make it over to the Portrait Gallery. Well, maybe we could have, > >>>if > >>>>I hadn't been making a complete pig of myself in the bookstore. > >>>>I've seen monochrome embroidery done in red in a couple of portraits in my > >>>>books, and a little of it in the Textile Rooms at the V&A. A friend of > >>>mine > >>>>says it's known as "morisco" work (spelling optional at this time of the > >>>>evening ;o) I *think* I've got a copy of a painting of Mary I with red > >>>>embroidery somewhere. I *think.* (sorry...bad case of chocolate cravings > >>>>paired with knitting fatigue from the Knitting Olympics! LOL!) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > > When did you see it in the Portrait > >>>> Gallery? I was in England in > > 2002, > >>>>and > >>>> > > saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange > >>>to > >>>> > > it > >>>> > > at all. > >>>> > > The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base "cut > >>>>and > >>>> > > voided" velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is > >>>gold > >>>> > > thread (looks distinctly metallic). > >>>> > > --Sue, wondering if there are two of them out there.... > >>>> > > >>>> > Hmmm...maybe I was mistaken. I know I saw the Princess Mary Tudor > >>>> > portrait while I was there. I thought I saw the Elizabeth one, too. > >>>> > > >>>> > But seeing the Mary Tudor portrait in person was pretty cool because I > >>>> > discovered that her chemise had redwork on > >>>> the cuffs! I hadn't heard > of > >>>> > redwork before then and the photos I had seen of the painting didn't > >>>have > >>>> > enough detail to show it. Very cool! > >>>> > > >>>> > Diana > >>>> > > >>>> > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > >>>> > "Everything for the Costumer" > >>>> > > >>>> > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > >>>> > --Ghandi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 14:54:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJsOsE020377 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:54:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LJsNkY025628; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:54:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LJqfJ5086802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:52:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJqb2A085636; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LJqSKw085368 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LZ9HDFUPWG9VZOAD@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:51:00 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LZ9HDFLM5K9W0ATF@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:51:00 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:52:22 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] turban/veils In-reply-to: <003e01c636d6$b352d810$81eb443d@GILGAMESH> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43FB6F76.1030607@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <003e01c636d6$b352d810$81eb443d@GILGAMESH> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:54:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB6FEF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Purple Elephant wrote: > I have a general understanding of the >procedure, but every time I try it it seems to end up looking bulky >and wierd. I was wondering what dimensions of veil seem to work >best for this? > > I use a long, narrow headcloth for this-- ie, about 35cm wide and 2m long. -- Adele de Maisieres ***************************** Book now for Canterbury Faire http://sg.sca.org.nz/cf.htm ***************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 15:08:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LK888N020674 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:08:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LK86AA028461; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LK7LiP089031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LK7BrS000913; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LK6REO000236 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:06:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:06:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43FB6228.10106@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:06:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2006 20:06:27.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C1973B0:01C63722] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:08:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB7326.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The fabric I purchased is close to both color descriptions. I call it deep vibrant coral with a salmon hue lerking under neath the surface. Either way, it's close enough for us! Now to making it....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > Kate M Bunting wrote: > >> To me, the facial expression in the "rose pink" version looks slightly >> different from nos. 1 and 3. I think I remember seeing that version in >> the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace about 20 years ago. If it's in >> the Royal Collection it may well now be at Windsor. >> > > I can't see a difference in the paintings, myself, but it does appear they > were all scanned from different sources, probably photos or book pictures > with slightly different inks. I've never heard of there being multiple > copies of this portrait, from any source. > > I've always thought of the gown as salmon colored. > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 15:20:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LKKZbP020952 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:20:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LKKXku001956; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:20:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LKJiFX090777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LKJejW014730; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LKJWqs014579 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.186] (pm5-186.eos.net [205.133.149.186]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1LKJW19003369 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:19:32 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:07:23 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602211619.k1LGJGoZ041803@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: olympics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB7611.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am watching plain old NBC, so I haven't seen any curling. But the ice dancing costumes are hilarious! Some of them seem to have things stuck all over them. Some of the women's costumes are "cut away" in very strange places. Last night I came in the middle of one team with very nice costumes -- I particularly liked the man's, which was a sort of burgundy costume and had a giant cross embroidered on the back of it. My husband and I were trying to figure out what the dance was supposed to be about, and the announcers both remarked that the costumes told the story, and it was nice to see a dance that was so easy to interpret! Our guess was Romeo and Juliet, because she had a sort of Juliet cap on and they seemed to both die at the end. But I never was certain. My favorite outfits are the snowboarding ones, they are just too funny. Someone went to a LOT of trouble to design bulky skiing clothes that could hang off people's bottoms just like sweat pants!! And a lot of them have pinstripes, which is another fun touch. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 17:24:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LMOKoD024235 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:24:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LMOHXJ023055; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:24:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LMNXdp009683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:23:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LMNO0Z034778; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LMNIpQ034714 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:23:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7A2D3602F for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:17 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060221110115.pa1vmukjkx000w0s@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:24:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB9311.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I graphed it 8 years ago when I had no internet access. Did it from a book that had the portrait in it. De -----Original Message----- I think it was charted on those "temporarily removed" blackwork archives that were parked on Drea Leeds web site. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 17:56:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LMucMi024989 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:56:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LMuag9001641; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LMuFNT015487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LMuBJa066373; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LMu6Es066249 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16389 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:56:05 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:56:03 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Olympics costumes Thread-Index: AcY3HCNuJcmup2ueQcyr3AVJx4Lw2wAEpn7g From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1LMu6Es066249 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:56:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FB9AA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, some of the skating costumes are not to be believed taste-wise(well, I guess they have to be visible from the nosebleed seats). If any of you watch "Project Runway" on Bravo, you know how difficult it is to design and do a costume, especially in a two day time-frame that the competiting designers had. For those of you that don't, Bravo reruns the episodes of this hit regularly and the "On Thin Ice" challenge designing an exhibition costume for skater Sasha Cohen is not to be missed! Search for blogging-project-runway for a blog on all things PR. Now includes a link to Parsons School of Design Head Tim Gunn's critique with video of the pairs costumes. Can't wait till his ice dancing critique comes up! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 18:24:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LNO0OV025548 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:24:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LNNwfS009917; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:24:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LNNLmm019453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LNNI1u091136; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LNNCii090964 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2b5.50300aa (57365) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:18:00 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <2b5.50300aa.312cf9a8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:18:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: olympics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5121 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:24:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBA10E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It was the Romeo and Juliet piece, and supposedly they are in love and very happy. didn't skate too bad either theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 18:29:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LNT2jc025662 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:29:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1LNSwiP011267; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:29:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LNNM7r019454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LNNIEq091135; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1LNNDsT091039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:23:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-217-116-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.217.116]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1LNNAPV021107 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:23:11 +1100 Message-ID: <00b201c6373d$c58e06f0$74d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:23:05 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:29:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBA23A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are > attached. There is no strap showing. Is the pearl necklace in her bodice > or is it attached to the edges of a very translarent partlet? One > description said the beading trim was attached to the under layer. What > under layer? Was it attached to a chemise or smock? I don't see any of it > except for the poofs of white. OK the problem here is you're thinking of 2 layers, smock and gown, whereas there would almost certainly have been 3 smock, kirtle (which does the bust supporting work of a corset) and gown. The trim you see around the neckline would be attached to the kirtle and then the gown's neckline is cut slightly larger to show off the kirtle's bejewelled neckline. I seriously doubt that there is any partlet involved, if you look at other portraits from the same era http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/tudor/index.html it becomes much clearer that it's a necklace. Also if you look carefully at her wrist you can see that her cuff is gathered into a band, this, along with the perfect appearance of all the puffs leads me to think that they are actually faux puffs rather than incredibly huge chemise sleeves (as they would have to be to fill sleeves that large) > I found a pdf of the costume by Nina ????. It has a white chemise with > blackwork on it as suggested undergarments. Is this right? I don't know. > Since she does so much research and garb work, I assume she knows what she > is talking about in this portrait. It does look like there's some very simple blackwork (possibly blanket stitch) around the neckline but I can't see any evidence for that on the cuffs. Of course if you're not making a slavish reproduction of the portrait blackwork was very popular at this time and it would be equally accurate to have blackwork cuffs. > Is she wearing earrings or is the trim on her hood? > I found the perfect cloth that is the same color and pattern in the > portrait. That was a big start on the costume. I don't know if i can find > gfabric for the front and undersleeves. I guess I could embroider it > myself. I'd rather not have to do that much work by hand. It's the trim on her hood, you can see how it forms part of the pattern of the jewels which run all the way around the French Hood. On the topic of French hoods, have a look at Ninya Mikhaila's theory on French hood construction http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/frenchhood.html, I follow a similar plan, but I attach the veil to the crescent piece and by gathering a circle of fabric onto the under cap I make it into a caul. See Sarah Goodman's page http://modehistorique.com/elizabethan/coif.html for the evidence that convinced me that a cauls were worn underneath French Hoods. For the undersleeves if you're making an exact reproduction of the portrait it's going to be hard to find the right fabric (though I did once find a chenille voided velvet that looked close) I think you may have to cope with a flat brocade. If it makes you feel any better to find out that a professional costumer had to make the same compromise look at http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/eliztower.html Let me know if you have any more questions. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 19:19:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M0JoQG026805 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:19:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M0Jm3U026827; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:19:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M0IpjO028482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M0Iij0043893; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M0Idrq043737 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:18:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:18:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <00b201c6373d$c58e06f0$74d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:18:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 00:18:34.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[8464FDC0:01C63745] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:19:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBAE24.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I learned how to make the voided velvet in school so I can reproduce the same looking fabric for the under sleeve and skirt front. I found a deep pile velvet to use but haven't bought it yet. So you think that the whole sleeve unit was connected since the chemise does not go all the way down to the wrist? I didn't see any ruff at the wrist, but I don't have a detail of that more than a general whole portrait. I can see some of the details but not too much. It gets fuzzy when I zoom in too close. I think I can make the costume with little problem. I plan to take my time to do it right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > >> Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are >> attached. There is no strap showing. Is the pearl necklace in her bodice >> or is it attached to the edges of a very translarent partlet? One >> description said the beading trim was attached to the under layer. What >> under layer? Was it attached to a chemise or smock? I don't see any of it >> except for the poofs of white. > > OK the problem here is you're thinking of 2 layers, smock and gown, > whereas there would almost certainly have been 3 smock, kirtle (which does > the bust supporting work of a corset) and gown. The trim you see around > the neckline would be attached to the kirtle and then the gown's neckline > is cut slightly larger to show off the kirtle's bejewelled neckline. I > seriously doubt that there is any partlet involved, if you look at other > portraits from the same era http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/tudor/index.html > it becomes much clearer that it's a necklace. Also if you look carefully > at her wrist you can see that her cuff is gathered into a band, this, > along with the perfect appearance of all the puffs leads me to think that > they are actually faux puffs rather than incredibly huge chemise sleeves > (as they would have to be to fill sleeves that large) > >> I found a pdf of the costume by Nina ????. It has a white chemise with >> blackwork on it as suggested undergarments. Is this right? I don't know. >> Since she does so much research and garb work, I assume she knows what >> she is talking about in this portrait. > > It does look like there's some very simple blackwork (possibly blanket > stitch) around the neckline but I can't see any evidence for that on the > cuffs. Of course if you're not making a slavish reproduction of the > portrait blackwork was very popular at this time and it would be equally > accurate to have blackwork cuffs. > >> Is she wearing earrings or is the trim on her hood? >> I found the perfect cloth that is the same color and pattern in the >> portrait. That was a big start on the costume. I don't know if i can find >> gfabric for the front and undersleeves. I guess I could embroider it >> myself. I'd rather not have to do that much work by hand. > > > It's the trim on her hood, you can see how it forms part of the pattern of > the jewels which run all the way around the French Hood. On the topic of > French hoods, have a look at Ninya Mikhaila's theory on French hood > construction http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/frenchhood.html, I follow a > similar plan, but I attach the veil to the crescent piece and by gathering > a circle of fabric onto the under cap I make it into a caul. See Sarah > Goodman's page http://modehistorique.com/elizabethan/coif.html for the > evidence that convinced me that a cauls were worn underneath French Hoods. > For the undersleeves if you're making an exact reproduction of the > portrait it's going to be hard to find the right fabric (though I did once > find a chenille voided velvet that looked close) I think you may have to > cope with a flat brocade. If it makes you feel any better to find out that > a professional costumer had to make the same compromise look at > http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/eliztower.html > Let me know if you have any more questions. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 19:56:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M0u2Fo027653 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:56:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M0u0hq005667; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M0rOlZ032963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M0rIBh076844; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M0r5tV076559 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.207.51]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060222005259.ESBI22461.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c63748$42bd19e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:07:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:56:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBB6A0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Robin! I would be interested in some of the white and some of the bright colours, I am having trouble finding your addy to speak to you directly about it... Sheridan > Since there's been such a response, I'll go in tomorrow and buy up the > remaining white chiffon and organza (if there is any) and probably some > colors too. > > If anyone has a want list on colors, e-mail me directly -- and tell me > what lengths you need for the piece to be useful, since some of the > lengths will be short (that's all we have left). Some of the colors we had > (maybe not still there, I don't know) were pretty wild: hot pink, > goldenrod, lime green, as well as more boring pastels and beiges. I have > no idea what is useful for different periods, though. > > Bear in mind too that these are lightweight, nearly transparent silks. The > chiffon is flimsy and floaty; the organza stiffer. But you can't make a > dress out of them (as someone who wrote me seemed to think!). > > Figure $3-$4/yard plus postage. Our silks normally range up to $11/yard. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 21:36:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M2aV8w029163 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:36:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M2aTDo004826; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:36:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M2ZenQ047003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M2ZX2K066634; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:35:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M2ZUQW066486 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:35:25 -0800 Message-ID: <43FBCDEC.5000007@msn.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:35:24 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 02:35:25.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2C35D80:01C63758] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBCE2D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO After a chilly first night at Estrella this year, I was able to purchase a pair of Merino wool socks at merchants row to keep my tootsies warm for the following nights. They are soft and not at all itchy. I began to think how lovely it would be to have an entire nightie made from such a wool. I have started looking on the internet and haven't come up with much. Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really soft and not itchy? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 21:48:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M2mUT5029406 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:48:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M2mTWr008916; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:48:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M2m61a049221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:48:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M2m4XL077852; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M2m1se077799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-241.sonic.net [209.148.113.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1M2lxwA007197 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43FBD0E0.3080002@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:48:00 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:48:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBD0FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cashmere! I'm quite sensitive to wool next to the skin (senstivity seems to vary a lot with the individual), but usually not pure cashmere. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really > soft and not itchy? > > Thanks, > > Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 22:13:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M3DEu9030042 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:13:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M3DChw017317; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:13:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M3Cp0D052632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:12:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M3CnaA099344; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1M3CjYo099288 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26143 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 03:10:56 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:10:56 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:14:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1104.67.169.138.79.1140578054.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43FBCDEC.5000007@msn.com> References: <43FBCDEC.5000007@msn.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:14:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:13:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBD6C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > After a chilly first night at Estrella this year, I was able to purchase > a pair of Merino wool socks at merchants row to keep my tootsies warm > for the following nights. They are soft and not at all itchy. I began > to think how lovely it would be to have an entire nightie made from such > a wool. I have started looking on the internet and haven't come up with > much. Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really > soft and not itchy? > > Thanks, > > Sg Saragrace, Do you have a specific color in mind? I have a butter yellow cashmere wool that is very soft: http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/cgi-bin/showAll.cgi?id=115 but my softest is a purple cashmere wool that feels more like fleece than wool: http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/cgi-bin/showAll.cgi?id=52 I would be happy to send you swatches if you like either one or both. Just send me your address again and I can get those out to you tomorrow. Cheers, Diana > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 22:30:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M3UiOK030588 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:30:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M3UbBc022882; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:30:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M3UHDi054975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M3UFrh013062; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:30:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M3UBR9012992 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1M3UA3U030406 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:30:10 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.88.204] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-88-204.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.88.204]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M3U5MK011082 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:30:10 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060221192230.026ddef8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:23:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress In-Reply-To: <003a01c63336$71353200$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:30:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBDADD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >You have said it! I use their edition of Braun and Schneider for lots of >picture references so I can leave the 19th C edition on the shelf. Braun and Schneider is online, colorized, as is Tilke's ethnic costume book. Google for either one. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 21 22:38:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M3cavE030919 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:38:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M3cYa4025500; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M3bkgp055829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:37:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M3bhRX018796; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M3bdQa018759 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:37:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1M3T3A03902 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:29:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <008c01c63762$53ce75c0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43FBD0E0.3080002@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:44:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:38:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBDCBA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Or alpaca....7 times as warm as wool. mmmmmm.... Or, if you were filthy stinking rich, why not qiviut? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric > Cashmere! I'm quite sensitive to wool next to the skin (senstivity > seems to vary a lot with the individual), but usually not pure cashmere. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > WickedFrau wrote: > Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really > > soft and not itchy? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 00:05:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M55SrP000300 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:05:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M55QsN022862; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:05:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M54msW065036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M54bcw089038; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M54VNN088959 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:04:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E0E5833887 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:04:30 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:04:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:05:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBF116.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The chemise has sleeves that end in cuffs with ruffles. The white puffs that you see on the false sleeve (gold sleeve) are not a part of the chemise sleeve but pieces of white material sewn to look like it is the sleeve of the chemise. The false sleeve is usually made to go just past the elbow or further. De -----Original Message----- So you think that the whole sleeve unit was connected since the chemise does not go all the way down to the wrist? I didn't see any ruff at the wrist, but I don't have a detail of that more than a general whole portrait. I can see some of the details but not too much. It gets fuzzy when I zoom in too close. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 00:09:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M59gHo000383 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:09:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M59eZ7024284; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:09:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M59KuT065768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M59K74093171; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M59Hod093100 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08134 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:40:44 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:40:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005801c63748$42bd19e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Update on silk chiffon and organza X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:09:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBF214.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I went over to the fabric store today and made a list of available colors. There were too many for me to want to buy on spec, but I'll be happy to pick up anything that anyone wants, and send it to you. Figure $3.50/yard INCLUDING postage. These are all 100% silk (or so the manufacturers claimed; there are occasional errors in labeling, but I think these are pretty safe). The chiffons are lightweight and flimsy; the organzas are lightweight and stiff. Widths range from 36 to 54 or so. IMPORTANT: Some of the bolts are very small, so for each one you're interested in give me a minimum (the least length you'd find useful) and a maximum (the amount you want if there's plenty). Send your shopping lists to me *privately*, not to the list please. I will head out there Wednesday afternoon and again on Thursday if necessary, The fabrics are disappearing rather fast. DO NOT FORWARD THIS NOTE ELSEWHERE. I'm willing to do this favor for my h-cost buddies, but I don't want to be personal shopper to the world. CHIFFONS -- smooth black dark brown medium brown blue-grey yellow pale pink pale blue wedgwood blue navy plum red rose peach beige CHIFFONS -- with a slight texture (not quite crinkled but very fine lines or ridges going warpwise) dark brown medium brown ivory mauve/rose green that's sort of a cross between sage and seafoam blue-grey kelly green peach ORGANZA olive green screaming hot pink gunmetal grey blue with a bit of a turquoise hint --Robin (what am I getting myself into?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 00:17:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M5HKG9000584 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:17:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M5HITE026664; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M5Gsrf066452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M5GrB5099012; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M5Gnc6098946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-232.sonic.net [209.148.114.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1M5Gk7U009411 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:16:48 -0800 Message-ID: <43FBF3BF.10708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:16:47 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric References: <43FBD0E0.3080002@lavoltapress.com> <008c01c63762$53ce75c0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <008c01c63762$53ce75c0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:17:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBF3DE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > Or alpaca....7 times as warm as wool. mmmmmm.... > Or, if you were filthy stinking rich, why not qiviut? I don't find alpaca to be particularly softer or warmer than a good quality wool. There's always angora rabbit ... Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 00:38:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M5caQq000996 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:38:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M5cY10001029; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M5bo4l068464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M5bkgO015354; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:37:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav12.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M5bgeQ015297 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:37:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:37:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:37:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 05:37:42.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[19A6D080:01C63772] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:38:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FBF8DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for that description. I've never made sleeves like these and that helps me to understand how they are placed on the arm. The chemise in is the sleeve, but not the seen white fabric. That is another fabric in the sleeve. The bell shaped ones attach to the bodice and the funnel ones attach above the elbow, from what you said and other tips received. Is this the way it should be done? If not, how? Do you think I could slip stitch or lace them together so that they stay in place as one unit? ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > The chemise has sleeves that end in cuffs with ruffles. The white puffs > that > you see on the false sleeve (gold sleeve) are not a part of the chemise > sleeve but pieces of white material sewn to look like it is the sleeve of > the chemise. The false sleeve is usually made to go just past the elbow or > further. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > > So you think that the whole sleeve unit was connected since the chemise > does > not go all the way down to the wrist? I didn't see any ruff at the wrist, > but I don't have a detail of that more than a general whole portrait. I > can > see some of the details but not too much. It gets fuzzy when I zoom in too > close. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 01:13:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M6DTjl001677 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:13:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1M6DRtR013149; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M6CxO1072170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M6CuhI042849; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1M6CpY2042790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-217-116-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.217.116]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1M6Cm0I015365 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:12:49 +1100 Message-ID: <002301c63777$1d501020$74d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1101.67.169.138.79.1140476018.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><00b201c6373d$c58e06f0$74d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:13:34 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:13:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC0107.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth >I learned how to make the voided velvet in school so I can reproduce the >same looking fabric for the under sleeve and skirt front. I found a deep >pile velvet to use but haven't bought it yet. > So you think that the whole sleeve unit was connected since the chemise > does not go all the way down to the wrist? I didn't see any ruff at the > wrist, but I don't have a detail of that more than a general whole > portrait. I can see some of the details but not too much. It gets fuzzy > when I zoom in too close. > I think I can make the costume with little problem. I plan to take my time > to do it right. > No the white you see at her wrist is her chemise have a look at http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg it's a much clearer picture than the one you originally posted. If you look at her left wrist you can see that the ruffle of fabric which drapes over her hand is slightly gathered into a close fitting band at the wrist, that's the cuff (not Ruff) I was talking about and that's the end of the chemise sleeves. The pieces of white fabric you see puffing out through slashes in the velvet undersleeves are not actually part of the chemise sleeves, instead they are pieces of the same fabric as the chemise (it would have been linen in the original) and sewn to the inside of the velvet undersleeves so they poke out through the slashes. The velvet undersleeves stop just above the elbow and I find whip stitching them onto a short sleeved kirtle (the middle layer between the chemise and the gown) the best way of securing them, pins also hold them on well but it requires a second person to do that once you're wearing it, as I usually have to dress myself I sew mine on. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole | Lady Elizabeth Beaumont Canberra, Australia | Politarchopolis, Lochac ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 05:02:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MA2Gq2006470 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:02:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MA2Ev8016921; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:02:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MA0qmZ013616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MA0k7V015733; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:00:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MA0gbg015687 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24705.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.5]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D06CC262874 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:00:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003d01c63796$dc089590$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43FBD0E0.3080002@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:00:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:02:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC36A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Definately yes. Cashmere is a dream. I made myself a coat years and years ago, i think 12 years ago, in Cashmere. Was very very expensive, but lovely soft. I still have this coat, and you cant se that i have worn this so many years. Usually wool gets full of small wool balls all over, but there is not a single one on my coat. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric > Cashmere! I'm quite sensitive to wool next to the skin (senstivity seems > to vary a lot with the individual), but usually not pure cashmere. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > WickedFrau wrote: > Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really >> soft and not itchy? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sg >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 06:26:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MBQhZV023978 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:26:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MBQf79009486; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MBQJc8026238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:26:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MBQFUV083131; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f17.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MBQBPo083081 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:26:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:26:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:26:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [162.83.127.121] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Update on silk chiffon and organza Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:26:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 11:26:11.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[C83D0670:01C637A2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:26:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC4A71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How kind of you to do this! Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Update on silk chiffon and organza >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:40:41 -0600 (CST) > > >I went over to the fabric store today and made a list of available colors. >There were too many for me to want to buy on spec, but I'll be happy to >pick up anything that anyone wants, and send it to you. > >Figure $3.50/yard INCLUDING postage. These are all 100% silk (or so the >manufacturers claimed; there are occasional errors in labeling, but I >think these are pretty safe). The chiffons are lightweight and flimsy; the >organzas are lightweight and stiff. Widths range from 36 to 54 or so. > >IMPORTANT: Some of the bolts are very small, so for each one you're >interested in give me a minimum (the least length you'd find useful) and a >maximum (the amount you want if there's plenty). > >Send your shopping lists to me *privately*, not to the list please. I will >head out there Wednesday afternoon and again on Thursday if necessary, The >fabrics are disappearing rather fast. > >DO NOT FORWARD THIS NOTE ELSEWHERE. I'm willing to do this favor for my >h-cost buddies, but I don't want to be personal shopper to the world. > > >CHIFFONS -- smooth > >black >dark brown >medium brown >blue-grey >yellow >pale pink >pale blue >wedgwood blue >navy >plum >red >rose >peach >beige > > >CHIFFONS -- with a slight texture (not quite crinkled but very fine lines >or ridges going warpwise) > >dark brown >medium brown >ivory >mauve/rose >green that's sort of a cross between sage and seafoam >blue-grey >kelly green >peach > > >ORGANZA > >olive green >screaming hot pink >gunmetal grey >blue with a bit of a turquoise hint > > >--Robin >(what am I getting myself into?) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 06:39:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MBdsEo027187 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:39:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MBdqDx013421; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:39:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MBdbG3027635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MBda1E093229; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f33.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MBdXpp093146 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:39:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:39:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [162.83.127.121] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c636ed$6386b740$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:39:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 11:39:29.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[A473BB10:01C637A4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:39:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC4D88.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK, how expensive (she asks, fearing the answer)? Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:46:17 +0100 > >Hi- >Well i never dreamed of that it excisted either, untill i saw it with my >own eyes. But it also is expensive........... > >Bjarne > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:06 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza > > >I really haven't seen linen this fine in England. Maybe I haven't looked >hard enough. > >On 21/02/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >>Hi >>Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop >>has, >>is so fine that it actually is transparent. >> >>Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 08:22:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MDMPmj010506 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:22:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MDMNYu017259; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MDLSJw037785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MDLNgg067601; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MDLK06067554 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:21:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:21:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:21:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 13:21:20.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE88EE20:01C637B2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC658F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try looking for Vyella(sp?). When I was young it was still made of wool, but they may have changed to a cotton blend. It is very soft, but also a little expensive. Merino sock are popping up all over these day, I bought two pair at Sears this past winter, so luck with finding soft wool may be changing! Kelly > Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really soft and > not itchy? > > Thanks, > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 09:08:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ME8LRJ011523 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:08:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ME8Jep004703; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:08:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ME7oZM042037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ME7l9X005980; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ME7iwh005912 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24705.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.5]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F7DA26285D for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:07:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c637b9$58bd0d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:07:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:08:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC7053.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I dont remember the exact price, but i think it was something about 350 kr. a meter wich is about 60 dollars a meter. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Kiel" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza > OK, how expensive (she asks, fearing the answer)? > > Nancy Kiel > nancy_kiel@hotmail.com > Never tease a weasel! > This is very good advice. > For the weasel will not like it > And teasing isn't nice. > > > > >>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: "Historical Costume" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza >>Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:46:17 +0100 >> >>Hi- >>Well i never dreamed of that it excisted either, untill i saw it with my >>own eyes. But it also is expensive........... >> >>Bjarne >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline" >>To: "Historical Costume" >>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:06 PM >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza >> >> >>I really haven't seen linen this fine in England. Maybe I haven't looked >>hard enough. >> >>On 21/02/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >>> >>>Hi >>>Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop >>>has, >>>is so fine that it actually is transparent. >>> >>>Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 09:11:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEBNWE011592 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:11:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEBLuP006288; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:11:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MEAxR6042271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEAxL8008779; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEAta6008621 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1MEAn619935.; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:10:49 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:10:49 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:10:35 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1MEAta6008621 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:11:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC7109.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's Viyella. First made here in Derbyshire, named after a road known as the Via Gellia (with the old-fashioned English pronunciation of Latin) which was named for the Gell family who had it built in the 18th century. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com 22/02/2006 13:21 >>> Try looking for Vyella(sp?). When I was young it was still made of wool, but they may have changed to a cotton blend. It is very soft, but also a little expensive. Kelly ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 09:15:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEFfUD011694 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:15:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEFdAD008282; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:15:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MEEdd5042674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEEc9J012055; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEEXqd011882 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A1BF0160; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:14:23 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 22 Feb 2006 09:14:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c637ba$92592bc0$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43FBD0E0.3080002@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:16:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:15:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC720B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I watch the ads in Sierra Trading Post catalogues. They seem to garner lots of European Woolies. I also found some other sites by googling wool undies. A couple South American sites/Australian were also interesting. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric > Cashmere! I'm quite sensitive to wool next to the skin (senstivity > seems to vary a lot with the individual), but usually not pure cashmere. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > WickedFrau wrote: > Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really > > soft and not itchy? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 09:23:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MENONg011852 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:23:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MENM1V011863; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:23:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MEMmrU043557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:22:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEMiGL019372; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEMex3019322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:22:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.212] (pool180-212.patriot.net [209.249.180.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k1MEMYtM015848 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:22:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17852143.1140548542304.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17852143.1140548542304.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:22:31 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pink Fox Hunting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC73DA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Referring to those red fox-hunting jackets as "pinks" raises the >additional question of just what the British historically meant when >they called something "pink." >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer My boss, an avid hunter, told me that the red fox-hunting jackets are called pink for a man named Pinkerton. I don't remember his exact title, Lord Pinkerton, perhaps? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 09:28:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MES51W011952 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:28:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MES4Jq014291; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:28:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MERP2J044001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MERNwB023479; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MERCpq023288 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:23:57 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:27:20 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <003f01c637bc$172b97b0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcY3umoXblGANG9NRjKyfXutgaMXNAAAWDyg In-Reply-To: <001b01c637ba$92592bc0$905083d1@rmitchellras> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 14:23:57.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E050920:01C637BB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC74F4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yeah-these sound great http://www.nznature.co.nz/MSHOP:SP:296732692:tb=4 the possum fur is from an import gone feral- not the same as US possums. My .02 lira, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric I watch the ads in Sierra Trading Post catalogues. They seem to garner lots of European Woolies. I also found some other sites by googling wool undies. A couple South American sites/Australian were also interesting. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 09:31:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEVli8012036 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:31:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEVjgX016071; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:31:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1METpmT044213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1METoC5025725; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1METkv9025597 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.220.19]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:29:40 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:29:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcY3CVLM0d891zfBSMWu3EB53PGozgAsuhlg In-Reply-To: <20060221110115.pa1vmukjkx000w0s@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:31:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC75D1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? Just curious, Anne > http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 09:50:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEoiA0012419 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:50:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MEogVC024993; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MEoKNH046708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEoIZE044585; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MEoFnm044470 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:50:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:50:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Redwork, Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:50:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 14:50:10.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[477ACFF0:01C637BF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:50:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC7A42.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My first Guess would be that it was miss named, either recently and is in fact Queen Mary, or sometime in history and has been recently discovered to be Bess of Hardwick. Kelly > Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? > Just curious, Anne > >> http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 10:47:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MFlBMk013714 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:47:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MFl9xY021099; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MFccLa052326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:38:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MFcXk6092611; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:38:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav13.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MFcStN092475 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:38:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:38:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Redwork, Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:38:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 15:38:25.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[04E4BEB0:01C637C6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC877D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Maria sometimes refered to mother. Regina- queen. SO Maria Regina might mean Queen Mother. The Royal Mom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, > Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? > Just curious, Anne > >> http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 10:54:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MFsJ69013889 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:54:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MFsIie024832; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:54:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MFqhic054179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MFqgx1007694; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MFqcYG007519 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:52:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0B1A225C for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:52:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43FC88C4.4040509@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:52:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Redwork, References: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:54:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC892A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I believe Bess played host to the arrested Mary of Scotland for some time. It's possible the portrait was attributed to Mary at some point (and the inscription added) and only recently re-labelled. Those sleeves are gorgeous! Dawn Becky wrote: > Maria sometimes refered to mother. Regina- queen. SO Maria Regina might > mean Queen Mother. The Royal Mom. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:29 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, > > >> Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? >> Just curious, Anne >> >>> http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 10:56:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MFuvMb013962 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:56:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MFutFS026128; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MFta3N054615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:55:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MFtadB010937; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1MFtVs3010866 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 11771 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 16:57:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:57:53 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1124.67.169.138.79.1140623823.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <20060221110115.pa1vmukjkx000w0s@www.goldsword.com> <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:56:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC89C7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? > Just curious, Anne > >> http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html > That's a really good question!! Anybody know? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 11:02:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MG2MEt014162 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:02:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MG2Jwh028801; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:02:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MFx6Ut055106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:59:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MFx3qA014618; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MFwv4h014417 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1MFwpt02367.; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:58:51 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:58:51 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:58:35 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Redwork, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1MFwv4h014417 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:02:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC8B0B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO But Bess of Hardwick was not the Queen Mother (although she hoped her granddaughter Arbella Stuart might become queen); nor did any English or Scottish monarch at that time have their mother still alive. Can't see the inscription on my monitor, but presumably the portrait was once thought to be Mary I. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> zeartiste@hotmail.com 22/02/2006 15:38:08 >>> >Maria sometimes refered to mother. Regina- queen. SO Maria Regina might mean >Queen Mother. The Royal Mom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, > Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? > Just curious, Anne > ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 11:30:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGUCek014870 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:30:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGU9bI010062; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:30:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MGRGtj059493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:27:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGQtkY044264; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGQoCO044105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBwpD-0004BH-KA; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:26:47 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:26:47 -0600 Message-ID: <20060222102647.pfu3dozf0u0wosg4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:26:47 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, References: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:30:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC9191.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Anne Moeller : > Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? > Just curious, Anne > >> http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html > I wondered about that too. It's not MQS, it doesn't look like her at all. Speculatio on my part -- weren't Bess and Mary Queen of Scots friends? Might that have been a political statement on her part? Would that have been a safe thing to do? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 11:33:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGXgRB014936 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:33:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGXeBd011751; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:33:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MGVnTY059953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGVnJp048583; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGVh6N048417 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2db.2f48ea5 (16035) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea343fc91e1370; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:31:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <17852143.1140548542304.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink Fox Hunting Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:31:22 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:33:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC9264.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As I understand it, "Pinks" were named after the tailor who made the coats. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. On Feb 22, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Carol Kocian wrote: >> Referring to those red fox-hunting jackets as "pinks" raises the >> additional question of just what the British historically meant when >> they called something "pink." >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > My boss, an avid hunter, told me that the red fox-hunting jackets > are called pink for a man named Pinkerton. I don't remember his exact > title, Lord Pinkerton, perhaps? > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 11:34:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGYbqW014957 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:34:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGYVWB020083; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MGXF2f060237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGXDcZ049794; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGX9Ss049687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBwvI-0005Ba-Oy; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:33:04 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:33:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20060222103304.86zu4kj9b9mo04s4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:33:04 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Redwork, References: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:34:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC9297.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Becky : > Maria sometimes refered to mother. Regina- queen. SO Maria Regina > might mean Queen Mother. The Royal Mom. Or, yet another thought from the delusional woman ... Was Bess Catholic? Mary, the Virgin, the Queen of Heaven? Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 11:44:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGiORY015185 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:44:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MGiLPo017091; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:44:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MGbZph060925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGbV86053661; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MGbP4K053472 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1MGbJt06452.; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:37:19 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:37:19 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:37:03 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1MGbP4K053472 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:44:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FC94E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sort of. Bess's fourth husband, the Earl of Shrewsbury, was Mary's jailer and the two ladies did embroidery together, but later the marriage broke down on account of Bess's jealousy of Mary. Bess is buried here in Derby and Lord S. in Sheffield. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> sfarmer@goldsword.com 22/02/2006 16:26:47 >>> Speculatio on my part -- weren't Bess and Mary Queen of Scots friends? Might that have been a political statement on her part? Would that have been a safe thing to do? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 13:17:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIHM5o022565 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:17:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIHJhE026145; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:17:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MIGcT9076361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIGVFj057432; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIGPSu057233 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B94A29C6 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:16:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43FCAA78.7040302@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:16:24 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' References: <011f01c637d9$3917cd90$e100a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <011f01c637d9$3917cd90$e100a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:17:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCAAAF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO E House wrote: > So, I was looking at the Thaisilks website, and I noticed something I haven't seen elsewhere: a blend of silk with what they're calling natural protein fiber. No information beyond that. Does anyone have any idea what this might be? > <> > Soybean? http://www.swicofil.com/soybeanproteinfiber.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 13:38:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIc2Bd025861 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:38:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIc0ER003438; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:38:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MIW80w079031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIW1Cs072730; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIVtE7072612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:24115 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FBymO-0007BN-8V for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:32:01 -0600 Message-ID: <012c01c637de$413bbfe0$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011f01c637d9$3917cd90$e100a8c0@compaqub> <43FCAA78.7040302@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:31:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:38:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCAF88.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Neat! I had not heard of that. I emailed Thaisilks--we'll see if I hear anything back--but I hope this is the case; reading the properties and test results on it, I think I may be converted. In a non-authentic clothing sort of way. =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 13:38:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIcX4d025966 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:38:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIcWFR018853; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:38:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MIbw7k080149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIbttd078782; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIbn3F078691 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n1so1598060nzf for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:37:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TclbTNuObzx6txg3ZcDcTSba3MA/XjIlOM1lXDStvcWeOoh1CmiSNCmjTgRsUGEXcgXTsSOpVqUhmqASxlvUHtJScxdx3s8y3996RV067yqY7x+ewi71Va4W76F7miSUnDf36ay+Hkw1pMuTxftCdc669o5i52OfYJrLG1iEht4= Received: by 10.36.121.20 with SMTP id t20mr1125807nzc; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.13.53 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:37:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070602221037g153dfccbhe2549441562d908c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:37:48 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' In-Reply-To: <43FCAA78.7040302@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <011f01c637d9$3917cd90$e100a8c0@compaqub> <43FCAA78.7040302@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1MIbn3F078691 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:38:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCAFA8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I did a google search, it may be "soybean protein fiber" http://www.swicofil.com/soybeanproteinfiber.html Katy On 2/22/06, Dawn wrote: > E House wrote: > > > So, I was looking at the Thaisilks website, and I noticed something I haven't seen elsewhere: a blend of silk with what they're calling natural protein fiber. No information beyond that. Does anyone have any idea what this might be? > > <> > > > > > Soybean? > > http://www.swicofil.com/soybeanproteinfiber.html > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 13:46:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIkwae027623 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:46:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIkuCr007326; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:46:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MIkST2081742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIkK0n087557; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIk9Pa087295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBz00-0003Z1-W3; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:46:05 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:46:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20060222124604.pl4mdfukug0ggwgc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:46:04 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' References: <011f01c637d9$3917cd90$e100a8c0@compaqub> <43FCAA78.7040302@reddawn.net> <3586f5070602221037g153dfccbhe2549441562d908c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070602221037g153dfccbhe2549441562d908c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:46:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCB1A0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Katy Bishop : > I did a google search, it may be "soybean protein fiber" > > http://www.swicofil.com/soybeanproteinfiber.html Way cool. The protein version of rayon! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 13:51:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIpdQt028522 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:51:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIpcFi009381; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:51:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MIlajG082007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MHuQ0J036093; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MHu89H035640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:23975 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FByDW-0003Bu-PD for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:01 -0600 Message-ID: <011f01c637d9$3917cd90$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:55:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:51:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCB2BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1MIpdQt028522 Status: RO So, I was looking at the Thaisilks website, and I noticed something I haven't seen elsewhere: a blend of silk with what they're calling natural protein fiber. No information beyond that. Does anyone have any idea what this might be? <> -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 13:57:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIutdM029605 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:56:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MIurkG011495; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MIuQ30083864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIuLAs098302; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-5.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MIuGU0098185 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from guenievre@erminespot.com) Received: from JS (nsc69.38.51-209.newsouth.net [69.38.51.209]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9400FEE302 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Guenievre de Monmarche" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:00:17 -0500 Message-ID: <00dd01c637e2$39714920$1a01a8c0@tereckoffice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060222124604.pl4mdfukug0ggwgc@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-index: AcY34HOzlwQCrOtxQnyiGq6kIKxf4gAAP8Ew X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1MIuGU0098185 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:56:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCB3F5.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've hand-spun a bit of the soybean fiber, a vegetarian friend bought it for me. It spins up QUITE similar to silk, though in fiber form it has a slightly odd texture - kind of reminds me of the "crunch" of rayon. I haven't made anything out of the yarn, though, so can't comment on final product. Guenièvre > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:46 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' > > Quoting Katy Bishop : > > > I did a google search, it may be "soybean protein fiber" > > > > http://www.swicofil.com/soybeanproteinfiber.html > > Way cool. The protein version of rayon! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 14:01:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MJ1RNi030493 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:01:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MJ1PQu013461; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MJ145H084653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MJ0xW7003468; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MJ0tDc003360 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3CD1AC60420; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:56:13 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c637e2$55abd920$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Maybe they would sell some yardage if you told them it was for a period piece. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kelly grant Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric Try looking for Vyella(sp?). When I was young it was still made of wool, but they may have changed to a cotton blend. It is very soft, but also a little expensive. Merino sock are popping up all over these day, I bought two pair at Sears this past winter, so luck with finding soft wool may be changing! Kelly > Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really, really soft > and > not itchy? > > Thanks, > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 14:47:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MJlI9G006177 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:47:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MJlGYM001493; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:47:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MJkRIF093605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MJkKD9051584; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MJkGw8051522 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:46:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CF04058C for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:46:16 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.132a09 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:46:15 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD/L+H5PXsxQIAAAAB,cf2b8920a9a40c7d60be208dbbf81e1e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.203] Message-Id: <20060222114616.23B4734A@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:47:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCBFC4.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is there anything that they cannot use soybeans for? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 15:04:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MK4Bgi009360 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MK49b4008825; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MK2T8A096619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MK2IJW066891; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MK29so066591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FByaD-0000ih-RP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:19:25 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:19:25 -0600 Message-ID: <20060222121925.pohksnx8e8pwso80@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:19:25 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO I know we were talking about that new Simplicity pattern. What I don't remember is if anybody had pointed this piece of information out -- it's from the book itself (as well as the email that I got today from Simplicity) "Remarkably delicate care and attention is given to the tiny pleating decorating both the sleeve and the hem. Our inspiration comes from the original gown currently in a private collection and displayed in the Victorian Bridal Museum in San Jacinto, California." It would be *real* interesting to see what the Original Dress looked like! In case you're new and haven't seen it http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=design_linkEmail.cfm&design=4244 Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 15:05:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MK50rG009535 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:05:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MK4wPr006693; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:05:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MK4UJO097088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MK4TYI069224; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1MK4OVe069025 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:04:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006022215041532753 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:15 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id k1MK470a001807 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: olympics Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:05:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCC3EA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I took the pinstripes as Yankee pinstripes -- as in the same as the New York Yankees baseball team. Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:07 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: olympics I am watching plain old NBC, so I haven't seen any curling. But the ice dancing costumes are hilarious! Some of them seem to have things stuck all over them. Some of the women's costumes are "cut away" in very strange places. Last night I came in the middle of one team with very nice costumes -- I particularly liked the man's, which was a sort of burgundy costume and had a giant cross embroidered on the back of it. My husband and I were trying to figure out what the dance was supposed to be about, and the announcers both remarked that the costumes told the story, and it was nice to see a dance that was so easy to interpret! Our guess was Romeo and Juliet, because she had a sort of Juliet cap on and they seemed to both die at the end. But I never was certain. My favorite outfits are the snowboarding ones, they are just too funny. Someone went to a LOT of trouble to design bulky skiing clothes that could hang off people's bottoms just like sweat pants!! And a lot of them have pinstripes, which is another fun touch. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 15:16:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MKGs4t011583 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:16:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MKGr3i015350; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:16:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MKGLWY099403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MKG6dV081387; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MKFwWf081252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-12.sonic.net [209.148.114.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1MKFtlN006683 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:15:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43FCC67D.8060306@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:15:57 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' References: <20060222114616.23B4734A@dm22.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20060222114616.23B4734A@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:16:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCC6B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just think how environmentally sound this is. When your dress wears out, you can eat it. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Lalah wrote: > Is there anything that they cannot use soybeans for? > > Lalah, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 15:36:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MKaFd5012432 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MKaD1I025096; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MKZa9L003475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MKZTLe000614; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:35:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MKNrsB089650 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2bb.50ea77d (63024) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2bb.50ea77d.312e2234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:23:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCCB3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/22/2006 1:47:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: Way cool. The protein version of rayon! People have tried to make regenerated protein fibers for years--from milk protein and corn protein, that I remember. None of them were commercially successful. I've been out of the current textiles loop for awhile, so I didn't know that there is a new one. And, an off-topic aside--the scientist who developed a forerunner of rayon was trying to re-create silk. He reasoned that, if silkworms ate cellulose and extruded silk, he could do something similar. Of course, re-generated cellulose (rayon) is still cellulose, not protein! You may see rayon referred to as "artificial silk" in early 20th century books. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 16:34:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MLYYVe014916 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:34:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MLYWBt018719; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:34:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MLXfVZ012939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MLXA0x054196; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MLWx7l053942 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A3ED33890 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:32:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Redwork, Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:33:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060222142940.BOBC3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:34:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCD8E8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From this picture http://www.marileecody.com/maryqos/maryring.jpg compared to http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html I don't see why the mistake nor here http://www.marileecody.com/maryqos/maryqos1.jpg which is a new to me pic. maybe http://www.marileecody.com/maryqos/maryqosvirtutisamore.jpg maybe http://www.marileecody.com/maryqos/maryqos13.jpg -----Original Message----- Why does the painting have "Maria Regina" written on it? Just curious, Anne > http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 16:38:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MLc846015038 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:38:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MLc7Ll020240; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:38:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MLbq2k013694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MLbqc9059070; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MLblLd058987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-12.sonic.net [209.148.114.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1MLbj3a030671 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:37:47 -0800 Message-ID: <43FCD9AB.7000702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:37:47 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' References: <2bb.50ea77d.312e2234@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2bb.50ea77d.312e2234@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:38:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCD9BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO He reasoned that, if silkworms ate cellulose > and extruded silk, he could do something similar. and spent many happy hours eating mulberry leaves and extruding--never mind . . . Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 17:03:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MM3OJj015923 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:03:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MM3Mpp031565; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:03:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MLvvRV017237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MLvsXU079273; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MLvXgq078926 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 383EDA50053 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:57:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c637fa$fb4e6b50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060222121925.pohksnx8e8pwso80@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:57:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:03:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCDFAA.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I really think the draping in the front dont look right to me. But i shouldnt come with critics, it s not my period, but i would have made more attention to the back in stead of pulling it to the front. Trimmings are wonderfull though, but what a lot of work with that pleating.................aikes Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Costume List" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern >I know we were talking about that new Simplicity pattern. What I don't > remember is if anybody had pointed this piece of information out -- > it's from the book itself (as well as the email that I got today from > Simplicity) > > "Remarkably delicate care and attention is given to the tiny pleating > decorating both the sleeve and the hem. > > Our inspiration comes from the original gown currently in a private > collection and displayed in the Victorian Bridal Museum in San Jacinto, > California." > > It would be *real* interesting to see what the Original Dress looked > like! > > In case you're new and haven't seen it > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=design_linkEmail.cfm&design=4244 > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 17:37:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MMbqMO016785 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:37:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MMbo0b012125; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:37:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MMao87023129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MMaiEB018376; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MMaa0W018126 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060222223630m1100a3260e>; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:36:30 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:36:28 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: elysabeth morris , arbella3@comcast.net (Crystal Deen), arbella3@comcast.net (Crystal Deen), arbella3@comcast.net (Crystal Deen), h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:36:28 +0000 Message-Id: <022220062236.4152.43FCE76C000C27C80000103822058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4152_1140647788_0" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Crystal Deen Subject: [h-cost] RE: Sewing expo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:37:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCE7BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4152_1140647788_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry to hear that the home-front is going haywired. Anyway, the hotel will be in Fife. The room is supposed to be ready for us at 4 pm on Friday but I am trying to see if we can check in at 6:30- 7 PM. I'm also going to a mapquest from the convention center to the hotel. Oh yeah, the hotel is the Travelodge. I'll get back to the two of you as soon as I hear from the hotel. Love you all, Rose -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: elysabeth morris > OK, finally get enough cope ons to do this... > > My class list is > > Fri 1230 Machine failure or operator error 140 > 1330 Harmony: Proportion... 119 > > Saturday 1130 Stabalizing 168 > 1230 Threads 162 > 1430 fitting solutions 124 > 1530 fit after 40 136 > 1630 be successful 165 > > Sunday 1030 Knits 156 > 1330 great fitting clothing 157 > 1430 jackets 103 > > I was stupid enough to not catch what time you two are going to the Katrina > Tea, but got a ticket for the 1130 tea. I thought you had said the 1230- and > thought that's what I signed up for, but what I got was 1130. Either way, I was > dumb enough to delete the email too early... > > What hotel are we staying in? Is it in Puyallup? I remember your saying > we'll have one, but never caught what hotel. > > What time have we been planning on departing Portland Friday? I could use the > class at 1230, but won't perish if I have to miss it. I want to get to the one > at 1330 though... > > On the Home front, Little John still hasn't got an answer from the doctor re: > return to work. If he doesn't go back to work by next Tuesday, he'll be out of > a job. If he has to find another job, and does so quickly, we won't have to > move. He's procrastinating as usual, and nothing I can say will encourage him > to act on anything any sooner... temporary disability, checking with his > contacts: re: the jobs he's considering, finding a residence of lower cost but > acceptible habitation... > I'm holding together, but between this and hormonal issues (night sweats are > back in swing...and emotional libility...did I mention stress?) I have my > moments... > > He wants to buy a kiln for Precious Metal Clay (PMC), and I'm trying to > encourage him to pay for COBRA benefits for at least a month if he has to. > > Life Goes on. > > Time to get ready for work. > > hugs to you both, > Beth > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4152_1140647788_0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4152_1140647788_0-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 17:37:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MMbwj2016788 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:37:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MMbuPr011046; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:37:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MMaQOO023084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MMaJQk017976; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MMaFdS017789 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:36:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060222223606.GCUL4901.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:06 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.173.64]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060222223605.XOEX22512.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:05 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [268.0.0/267]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:07 +1300 Message-ID: <006e01c63800$5f30ffc0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060222121925.pohksnx8e8pwso80@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:06 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:37:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCE7C4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Our inspiration comes from the original gown currently in a private > collection and displayed in the Victorian Bridal Museum in San Jacinto, > California." Yeah, I noticed on the front photo that it said "Wrights Victorian Bridal Museum" so I did a seatch. There is a website, but it is down. http://www.victorianbridalmuseum.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20030203084751/victorianbridalmuseum.com/lectures/ Found it. It does have a bit of a funny shape, but not quite the same as the simplicity;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 22/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 18:04:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MN4K9I017548 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:04:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MN4Ixo022086; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:04:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MN3xo9027425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:03:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MN3n5j044694; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MN3hNg044474 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:03:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.129.6e6935d0 (4568) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <129.6e6935d0.312e47c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:03:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: hunting pinks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:04:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCEDF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO 18th century I think name believed to derive from a tailor in London called Thomas Pink who specialized in field jackets - he used a very tightly woven red cloth that was resistant to thorns and branches, and was showerproof. debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 18:29:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MNTTki018311 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:29:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1MNTRH0031517; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:29:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MNShrZ033539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MNSfup069217; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1MNSbwj069065 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1dc.4ed7db2a (4230) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.4ed7db2a.312e4d9e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:28:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:29:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FCF3D7.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/22/2006 5:38:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: It does have a bit of a funny shape, but not quite the same as the simplicity;) ************************ Yes...the poufs are still at the side but are lower, almost to the knees [the bottom of the poufs do indeed come to the knees]. A lovely gown though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 20:58:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1N1wTiS021988 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1N1wRcX019278; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N1qjSP054208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1N1qX07097989; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1N1qTst097822 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IV4008K9AJ134E0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:52:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:52:11 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' In-reply-to: <2bb.50ea77d.312e2234@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FD16C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO They are now producing fabric from soy protein, I believe. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:23 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' In a message dated 2/22/2006 1:47:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: Way cool. The protein version of rayon! People have tried to make regenerated protein fibers for years--from milk protein and corn protein, that I remember. None of them were commercially successful. I've been out of the current textiles loop for awhile, so I didn't know that there is a new one. And, an off-topic aside--the scientist who developed a forerunner of rayon was trying to re-create silk. He reasoned that, if silkworms ate cellulose and extruded silk, he could do something similar. Of course, re-generated cellulose (rayon) is still cellulose, not protein! You may see rayon referred to as "artificial silk" in early 20th century books. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 22 21:33:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1N2XZeb023199 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:33:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1N2XXZZ030980; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N2Wwjp058667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1N2WrtC030012; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:32:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1N2Wm05029892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FC6Hg-0001Vc-7O; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:32:48 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:32:48 -0600 Message-ID: <20060222203248.h4z10tsfs2c8c4gs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:32:48 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern References: <20060222121925.pohksnx8e8pwso80@www.goldsword.com> <006e01c63800$5f30ffc0$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <006e01c63800$5f30ffc0$0401010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:33:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FD1EFD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting michaela : >> Our inspiration comes from the original gown currently in a private >> collection and displayed in the Victorian Bridal Museum in San Jacinto, >> California." > > Yeah, I noticed on the front photo that it said "Wrights Victorian Bridal > Museum" so I did a seatch. There is a website, but it is down. > http://www.victorianbridalmuseum.com/ > > http://web.archive.org/web/20030203084751/victorianbridalmuseum.com/lectures/ > > Found it. > > It does have a bit of a funny shape, but not quite the same as the > simplicity;) At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides Thin Air! 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Status: RO If anyone can help me with this, I figure it is the folks on this list. Anyone have an idea what the Roma people were wearing in the early 19th century--say, 180-1820? I'm assuming there were wandering Europe then. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1N6Cr4T027643 Status: RO So, my husband has sorta kinda hesitantly mentioned that, seeing as there are occasionally cannons present at SCA events, he might be interested in attending at some point. I now have the job of finding clothing that he can stand to wear. Yeeeee. At the moment, I basically have two clues: he likes old west inspired stuff, specifically this (authentic for 500 years from now, maybe) look: http://merry-lover1.tripod.com/mal1.jpg (I made him the coat, which is now pretty much his favorite item of clothing). My other clue is that he likes US Rev War uniform style stuff; he also mentioned 'piratey type stuff.' Additionally, though I haven't asked him, I'm pretty sure there are several things he would never not ever nevernevernever wear: ruffs, codpieces, 'pumpkin pants,' tightly fitted hose, floor-length tunics/cotes, and houppes. It's possible that he'll take a look at those and surprise me, but I'd be, well, surprised. I haven't looked much at all at men's clothing; all I know of it is what I've seen in the same paintings that I'm examining for women's clothing, which limits my knowledge to 14-16thC western Europe, with a smattering of 12thC ditto. So anyway, the one common thread I found in all the styles he kinda likes is a knee-lengthish coat/jacket/whatever that's reasonably fitted but not supertight, with boring non-slashed sleeves, preferrably cuffed. Based on what teeny tiny bit I know about men's clothing, my immediate ideas are late 16thC Polish, ditto Turkish or Persian, and who knows when Russian and Mongol. Here's the plea: does anyone have any other ideas? and can anyone point me to some good visual sources for my ideas or theirs? For the moment, redrawings are fine--I just need some pics I can run by him that are sorta kinda close to something that actually existed, at least in spirit and general silhouette. (Incidentally, if I were to go by the period of history and the area that he'd be most interested in, it would probably be 16thC Swiss, but... from looking at the clothing? Not gonna happen.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 01:52:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1N6qWix029082 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:52:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1N6qUWn007443; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:52:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N6q1aI087598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1N6q07k021385; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1N6ptNM021267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N8YWpg005448 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:34:32 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:56:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602230156.14329.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:52:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FD5BAE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 23 February 2006 1:10 am, E House wrote: [snip] > So anyway, the one common thread I found in all the styles he kinda likes > is a knee-lengthish coat/jacket/whatever that's reasonably fitted but not > supertight, with boring non-slashed sleeves, preferrably cuffed. Based on > what teeny tiny bit I know about men's clothing, my immediate ideas are > late 16thC Polish, ditto Turkish or Persian, and who knows when Russian and > Mongol. Those should all work, though I'm guessing that he'll be happiest with the late 16th c Polish stuff. Fortunately, the Reconstructing History site sells patterns for such coats: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/polish.html Very early 18th century might work also. That was another period of kneelength coats, though he may not fancy the hats or hairstyles that went with them. Look at the sketches on this page of men's clothes for the years 1700-1705 and 1705-1710 and you should see what I mean. http://www.englishcountrydancing.org/clothing2.html Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 06:47:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NBl24u024165 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:47:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NBl0xm031373; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:47:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NBkK2I039310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NBkDex063012; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:46:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f27.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NBk7M8062874 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:46:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:45:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:45:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 11:46:02.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8DC4840:01C6386E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:47:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDA0B4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Umm, scandalous idea...why not early 17thC, Venetians and a boring ol' doublet? They would be in the rightish time period for black powder(cannon). Fencers are already wearing that time period, even though most in the SCa do not approve. It isn't a very poufy time period, he'd still be wearing pants. Just a thought, if it works so that your husband will come out and play with you.... Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >So, my husband has sorta kinda hesitantly mentioned that, seeing as there >are occasionally cannons present at SCA events, he might be interested in >attending at some point. I now have the job of finding clothing that he >can stand to wear. > >Yeeeee. >(Incidentally, if I were to go by the period of history and the area that >he'd be most interested in, it would probably be 16thC Swiss, but... from >looking at the clothing? Not gonna happen.) > >-E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 08:20:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NDKUMn005072 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NDKSqh031655; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NDE8nV046034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDE2ss025754; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDDwbC025613 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1NDDqr01213.; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:13:52 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:13:52 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:13:30 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1NDDwbC025613 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDB69D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, I would have suggested that, but I thought the SCA stopped at 1600? He could wear doublet and breeches (no codpiece) with a plain falling band - no need for lace or ribbons if he doesn't want them. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com 23/02/2006 11:45 >>> >Umm, scandalous idea...why not early 17thC, Venetians and a boring ol' >doublet? They would be in the rightish time period for black powder(cannon). > Fencers are already wearing that time period, even though most in the SCa >do not approve. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 08:37:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NDbKvB005461 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:37:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NDbJXx005193; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NDahi6048238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDaf6q043842; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:36:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDabxK043769 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.220]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 92D1A47FEC6 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c6387e$2efd6130$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] modes bows and manners X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:37:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDBA8F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello all, Want to thank you all for your intputs of my questions regarding greetings bows and manners. I travel to Frankfurt tomorrow early morning to visit the most excelent crafters of costume making in Europe. They were so kind to invite me for a full weekend event at Frankfurt. I have packed my trunk with my most expensive costumes, hoping they have an iron i could borrow when i arrive. This is the first time i am going for an event for several days, so therefore i have packed my trunk to the limit including mundane, and high fashion for 2 days, cloak and stockings, shirts, stocks, shoes, walking sticks, pomanders, and 3 wigs. Oh what fun it will be,. If my hostest will alow, i shal provide the list with photos online, when i get back. I have to wear my hat in a plastic bag, besides my handbag for the airplane. I will not be an unpolite gentleman, but i shall kiss my thumb when kissing the ladies hands.................. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 08:56:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NDuaQM006040 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:56:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NDuZGa012311; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:56:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NDtoCr051093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDtnG5060294; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:55:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.222]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1NDtj7k060178 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45025 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2006 13:55:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1aDc+8bpHGd0fTLazD+kmnV4S1iLUaqE+I0v0NPfC8XtXvnuB1mb1yksd6n9RI1emm3mCNkEZ+5aWo/t3Y0ROie8oHR7/ZvNFyVwDtv1ucoflDQ2kksLrAiF9Fg08k23c+Eo8CZwSVDkh55RY1WENn7hM3lBEzH8hvwUhYyaS0I= ; Message-ID: <20060223135539.45023.qmail@web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:55:39 PST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:55:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602230154.k1N1raNh098822@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:funky Simplicity Pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:56:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDBF13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What really interests me is that Simplicity is coming out with reasonably high quality, mass produced stuff that is a step or two beyond costume. This and Martha McCains stuff, while geared to a mass market of modern sewists, to me looks pretty good, more authentic than just the Halloween costumes that other pattern companies put out. Normally I can't stand marketing and being marketed to, but when it's something I really want, it's different. I wait for the new Simplicitys with an eagerness that I have not had in years. And does this mean that some section of the costumer/reenactor community has reached a critcal mass that is being recognized by the/a major pattern company?... That it's worth their while to develop and sell patterns to this niche? I can't wait for the 18cent patterns that Martha McCain/Simplicity that are rumored to be coming out sometime in the future. Martha McCain, I know you are out there.......You go girl. 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:07:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NE7CoL006268 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:07:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NE7BKQ016680; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:07:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NE6WWx052762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NE6Urd070235; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NE6RXb070124 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.26d.6363efa (17377) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:06:17 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <26d.6363efa.312f1b59@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:06:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:07:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDC18F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 1:53:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: Those should all work, though I'm guessing that he'll be happiest with the late 16th c Polish stuff. Fortunately, the Reconstructing History site sells patterns for such coats: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/polish.html Those look very dashing! And sound like the coat you say he will wear. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:13:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NED8s7006366 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:13:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NED7YL019240; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:13:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NECV7U053559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NECTi5075583; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NECQch075439 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.252.6e14f07 (17377) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:12:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <252.6e14f07.312f1cb9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:12:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:funky Simplicity Pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:13:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDC2F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:56:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: And does this mean that some section of the costumer/reenactor community has reached a critical mass that is being recognized by the/a major pattern company?... That it's worth their while to develop and sell patterns to this niche? Well, yes, they are market driven. And, since that is the case, I urge folks to BUY. If a pattern's sales drop, then it is pulled, so let's keep the ACW patterns going. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:26:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEQvB4006683 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:26:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEQtpx024679; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:26:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEPRg6056159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEPPdH088507; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEPLaf088322 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:25:16 -0800 Message-ID: <43FDC5D0.40103@msn.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:25:20 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 14:25:16.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[F77D7270:01C63884] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:26:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDC62F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have this exact problem with my hubby too. Here is what I have proposed to him and he seems close to accepting it. He has even considered tights as long as his coat comes over his hips. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/bruegel/pieter_e/painting/children/ (This by Pieter the Elder) Look up in the right hand corner of the painting and you will see a boy with a stick raised over his head. He has on "regular" pants! If you look around the painting you will see varying degrees of pants from "tights" on to the afore mentioned ones. This garb is easy to make and doesn't cost a fortune. Also, there is a great variety of overwear. If you look through more of his (don't forget his relatives!) paintings you will see great detail and even more choices. Since I also ride at events I have adopted the men's skirted overcoat and riding tights. Covers my butt! I have also offered a cloak, which he can wear and be "incognito"! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:39:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEdcvV006953 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:39:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEdbGS029934; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:39:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEcvbQ058193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEcsok001304; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:38:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEcp2w001245 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:38:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FCHcI-0007Jj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <22215890.1140705530709.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:38:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes bows and manners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:39:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDC929.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Bjarne, If you're going to be among the most excellent crafters of costume making in Europe, you should be perfectly at home. Have a wonderful time. It would be wonderful for us to see pictures if you're permitted to post them. By the way, did your stockings from Jas. Townsend finally arrive? Bon voyage! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Feb 23, 2006 8:36 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] modes bows and manners > >Hello all, >Want to thank you all for your intputs of my questions regarding greetings >bows and manners. >I travel to Frankfurt tomorrow early morning to visit the most excelent >crafters of costume making in Europe. They were so kind to invite me for a >full weekend event at Frankfurt. I have packed my trunk with my most >expensive costumes, hoping they have an iron i could borrow when i arrive. >This is the first time i am going for an event for several days, so >therefore i have packed my trunk to the limit including mundane, and high >fashion for 2 days, cloak and stockings, shirts, stocks, shoes, walking >sticks, pomanders, and 3 wigs. Oh what fun it will be,. If my hostest will >alow, i shal provide the list with photos online, when i get back. I have to >wear my hat in a plastic bag, besides my handbag for the airplane. >I will not be an unpolite gentleman, but i shall kiss my thumb when kissing >the ladies hands.................. > >Bjarne > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:44:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEi0NB007039 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:44:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEhxeO031759; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEhUZf058587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEhU5R005338; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEhRSk005301 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FCHgk-00013r-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:43:26 -0500 Message-ID: <33375353.1140705806809.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:43:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: hunting pinks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCA2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO THANK YOU! Subject of idle speculation on my part from time to time for years! I'm accustomed to being mildly disconcerted by some British terminology, but this one finally makes sense! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com >Sent: Feb 22, 2006 6:03 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Re: hunting pinks > >18th century I think > >name believed to derive from a tailor in London called Thomas Pink who >specialized in field jackets - he used a very tightly woven red cloth that was >resistant to thorns and branches, and was showerproof. > >debs > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:51:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEp6ag007184 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEp4Td002097; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEoVWs059303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEnsVY010742; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEnoX9010684 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:49:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m132.in-tch.com [216.166.191.132]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1NEfDA22485 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:41:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001401c63889$65be8ea0$84bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCBD8.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO *koff* Speaking as a long-term, albeit fairly relaxed, SCA member, that sort of outfit also occurs in the 16th. (dang, but this is hard to type with a pyrring cat in one's arms!) At any rate, there are less-poofy doublets and such in Janet Arnold. The one dealing with clothing from 1560-1620. Something more merchant/middle class might be more appealing than something upper-class, also. I must admit, though, that my first thought was also something more eastern-European (Hungarian, Polish, etc.). Or maybe something Middle Eastern? Or even Mongolian? Or Norse? All those cultures, within the SCA time period, used pants.... --Sue from Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Grant" To: Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:45 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband > > Umm, scandalous idea...why not early 17thC, Venetians and a boring ol' > doublet? They would be in the rightish time period for black powder(cannon). > Fencers are already wearing that time period, even though most in the SCa > do not approve. It isn't a very poufy time period, he'd still be wearing > pants. > > Just a thought, if it works so that your husband will come out and play with > you.... > > Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:54:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEscoM007254 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:54:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEsbcQ003626; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEru51060142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NErtPw014632; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1N1l6jQ093414 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m13.in-tch.com [216.166.191.13]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1N1cTA22740 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:38:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <008501c6381c$0c90e520$0dbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011f01c637d9$3917cd90$e100a8c0@compaqub><43FCAA78.7040302@reddawn.net> <012c01c637de$413bbfe0$e100a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:54:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:54:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCCAD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Or corn. (No, I'm not kidding...the fiber is known as "ingeo," if I'm not mistaken). Both soy and corn produce something similar to silk, fiber-wise. I have not spun it myself, or knitted with it, though. Some people like it, some don't. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' > Neat! I had not heard of that. I emailed Thaisilks--we'll see if I hear > anything back--but I hope this is the case; reading the properties and test > results on it, I think I may be converted. In a non-authentic clothing sort > of way. =} > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:55:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEtrSt007303 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:55:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEtqxD012389; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:55:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEtEJF060610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEtDUS016355; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NACu0d082845 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAD03190E4 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:12:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:12:51 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060223101249.CEAD03190E4@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=32% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Men's shoes 1800-1810 question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:55:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCCF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I was wondering wat kind of shoes a men would be wearing at a ball in 1800-1810. I have some pictures of men but they are wearing boots and I am not sure if that would be right for dancing. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:56:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEuZAo007325 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:56:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NEuYMu012389; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:56:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEtoF3060764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEtoSY017095; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDs0GD058786 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.4.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.4] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FCGut-0002IY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:53:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43FDCC55.8040109@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:53:09 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:56:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCD22.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tricky. What about something like http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45768+0+0 It does involve tight-fitting hose from the knee down at least, but it's somewhat butch and knee-length, with a great gown (call it an overcoat!) overtop. Or this http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan18.jpg which has gaiters on the bottom rather than hose. You could probably get away with knee-length boots... I've seen this outfit done, and it's so cool! Both of these are from the mid-16th century. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 09:59:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NExWD5007382 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NExVwj005541; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEwcxv061421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEwcfi020252; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEgBeO004245 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.c0.37ce72b5 (4426) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:42:02 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:42:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCDD3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/22/2006 9:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides Thin Air! ***************** C'mon Susan....nobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project Runway??? ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:01:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NF1BSv007417 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NF1AgW013670; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEtXil060696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEtWh3016787; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDF0jd026423 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.220]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D62CA50042 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:14:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c6387b$23dd0ce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:14:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many rep=24% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCE36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:01:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NF1WYp007433 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NF1VnU013341; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEtgIe060740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEtg83016945; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NDqKUG057317 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5BEA225C for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:52:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43FDBE1E.1010901@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:52:30 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCE4B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO E House wrote: > Here's the plea: does anyone have any other ideas? and can anyone point me to some good visual sources for my ideas or theirs? For the moment, redrawings are fine--I just need some pics I can run by him that are sorta kinda close to something that actually existed, at least in spirit and general silhouette. > Hand him Braun & Scheider, or point him at the website (http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/history.html) and ask him what he likes. You might also get him in touch with another SCA guy, so he can talk to someone who is enthusiastic about (or at least comfortable with ) the clothing. I've known a lot of guys afraid of looking silly, until the peer pressure convinced them that baby blue velvet pants with a satin lining and lace cuffs were cool. And talk to him about fasteners. I found out *after* making my husband his first outfit that he absolutely hates period hooks and ties, so now we always do buttons and discrete elastics. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:01:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NF1nxT007441 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NF1m1r006678; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NEuImr060862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEuGLX017558; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NEuCa2017397 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.275.63c6113 (4426) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:56:03 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <275.63c6113.312f2703@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:56:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDCE5C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 9:26:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: I have also offered a cloak, which he can wear and be "incognito"! *************** Yes, why not something Renn, but long enough to cover the "tights". Those Polish things don't look too different from any other long [or sorta long-ish] Renn garment. Remember, leather and boots greatly "butch up" an outfit....but are expensive. I know! A full set of armor! That'll be butch enough! If he feels embarrassed, he can just lower his beaver...... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:20:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFKBOf007764 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:20:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFK929014435; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFJTSh065258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFJPdS043492; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFJKpD043351 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.220]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D2BAA50066 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:19:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c6388c$85fbdad0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <22215890.1140705530709.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes bows and manners Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:19:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:20:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDD2A9.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO NO- Wearing nylons white................:-/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes bows and manners > Dear Bjarne, > If you're going to be among the most excellent crafters of costume making > in Europe, you should be perfectly at home. Have a wonderful time. It > would be wonderful for us to see pictures if you're permitted to post > them. > By the way, did your stockings from Jas. Townsend finally arrive? > Bon voyage! > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >>Sent: Feb 23, 2006 8:36 AM >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: [h-cost] modes bows and manners >> >>Hello all, >>Want to thank you all for your intputs of my questions regarding greetings >>bows and manners. >>I travel to Frankfurt tomorrow early morning to visit the most excelent >>crafters of costume making in Europe. They were so kind to invite me for a >>full weekend event at Frankfurt. I have packed my trunk with my most >>expensive costumes, hoping they have an iron i could borrow when i arrive. >>This is the first time i am going for an event for several days, so >>therefore i have packed my trunk to the limit including mundane, and high >>fashion for 2 days, cloak and stockings, shirts, stocks, shoes, walking >>sticks, pomanders, and 3 wigs. Oh what fun it will be,. If my hostest will >>alow, i shal provide the list with photos online, when i get back. I have >>to >>wear my hat in a plastic bag, besides my handbag for the airplane. >>I will not be an unpolite gentleman, but i shall kiss my thumb when >>kissing >>the ladies hands.................. >> >>Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:21:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFLEdB007790 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:21:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFLCvb018240; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:21:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFKbPH065463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFKV5i044541; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1NFKKfi044280 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74139 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 15:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 15:20:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060223151443.01de9848@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:15:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's shoes 1800-1810 question In-Reply-To: <20060223101249.CEAD03190E4@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20060223101249.CEAD03190E4@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:21:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDD2E8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:12 23/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering wat kind of shoes a men would be wearing at a ball >in 1800-1810. >I have some pictures of men but they are wearing boots and I am not >sure if that would be right for dancing. > >Greetings, > Deredere Flat pumps, very like ladies' shoes of the same period. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:21:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFLbNU007810 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:21:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFLZYx016911; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:21:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFKbdp065464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFKaU9044599; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1NFKF2B044232 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:20:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74148 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 15:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 15:20:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060223151642.01d96c68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:18:49 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband In-Reply-To: <001401c63889$65be8ea0$84bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <001401c63889$65be8ea0$84bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:21:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDD2FF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:56 23/02/2006, you wrote: >*koff* >Speaking as a long-term, albeit fairly relaxed, SCA member, that sort of >outfit also occurs in the 16th. (dang, but this is hard to type with a >pyrring cat in one's arms!) >At any rate, there are less-poofy doublets and such in Janet Arnold. The >one dealing with clothing from 1560-1620. Something more merchant/middle >class might be more appealing than something upper-class, also. >I must admit, though, that my first thought was also something more >eastern-European (Hungarian, Polish, etc.). Or maybe something Middle >Eastern? Or even Mongolian? Or Norse? All those cultures, within the SCA >time period, used pants.... >--Sue from Montana >Try to find "Vecellio's Renaissance Costume Book" - Dover. It has >16th century drawings of Polish, Russian, Huyngarian, Turkish etc. >etc. A lot looks like the sort of thing being suggested, but he >could have a wide range of pictures to choose from. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:34:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFYExN008069 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:34:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFYDVw021166; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:34:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFXdsT067649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFXblv057940; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFXVD3057862 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1NFVeGo029981 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:31:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:33:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602231456.k1NEubOw018044@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Martha to Mia - I needed that! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:34:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDD5F5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I can't wait for the 18cent patterns that Martha McCain/Simplicity that are rumored to be coming out sometime in the future. Martha McCain, I know you are out there.......You go girl. 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've been working on the 18th century patterns for a almost two years. (The people at Simplicity assume I'm dead.) These are much harder to make mass-marketable than the Civil War ones. By the mid nineteenth century, paper patterns, much as we know them today, were available. So the sewing style that went with that is almost modern in its mind set. But the 18th century gowns were "built on the body." It's tricky to reach a compromise of what's really accurate and what's possible for most people to be willing to attempt. I'm hoping to publish a companion piece separately to show how to "really" make the garments and to share the research I've done. Too few hours in the day! Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:35:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFZGvg008094 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:35:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFZFhC021945; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:35:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFT7Hb066875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:29:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFT4Zm053348; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFT1f0053206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCIOV-0005rq-Eg; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:28:40 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:28:39 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223092839.lvr9ooy478soscws@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:28:39 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting AlbertCat@aol.com: > > In a message dated 2/22/2006 9:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: > > At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides Thin > Air! > > > > ***************** > > C'mon Susan....nobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project Runway??? > ;-) Actually, my husband does. I've watched precious little TV with this dissertation. Any Babylon 5 fans here? Anybody remember Garibaldi's "monolog" on "why thin air?"? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:39:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFdT6o008188 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:39:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFdQDW023450; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:39:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFbrnQ068342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFbnoQ062255; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFbi7B062093 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:37:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86716BE863 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:36:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:36:29 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060223153627.86716BE863@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pictures of my husbands 19th century costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:39:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDD72E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Finally I have pictures! Doesn't he look handsome :-) . http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19man/Men19th/Men19th.html The hat he is wearing is an original from 1850 at least that is wat toled to me. It is my fhirst 19th century men's costume and I think I can do better but I am happy it is finished. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:52:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFqSKh008514 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:52:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFqRIP029113; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:52:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFpft4071203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFpfFS077735; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFpbP2077537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCIkZ-0000cP-1t; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:27 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:27 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223095127.8zqzl8dgu3hckkgc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:27 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Kate M Bunting : > Yes, I would have suggested that, but I thought the SCA stopped at > 1600? He could wear doublet and breeches (no codpiece) with a plain > falling band - no need for lace or ribbons if he doesn't want them. The official cut-off is "pre-16th Century" but most groups allow some wiggle room. In Meridies (SE United States), your Arts & Sciences entries have to be documentable *before* 1601. Which unfortunately lets out those cool beaded baskets and the embroidered caskets/chests! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:53:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFrAEj008527 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:53:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFr9IJ026251; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:53:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFpe82071200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFpahZ077623; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav14.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFpVOk077522 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:51:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:51:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060223092839.lvr9ooy478soscws@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:51:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 15:51:30.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[03918680:01C63891] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:53:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDDA65.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you follow fashion, sometimes I think they use thin air to hold the garments on the models. No wait they use double sticky tape, don't they? I guess that brings up the story of the Emperor's New clothes.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern > Quoting AlbertCat@aol.com: > >> >> In a message dated 2/22/2006 9:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: >> >> At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides Thin >> Air! >> >> >> >> ***************** >> >> C'mon Susan....nobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project >> Runway??? >> ;-) > > Actually, my husband does. I've watched precious little TV with this > dissertation. Any Babylon 5 fans here? Anybody remember Garibaldi's > "monolog" on "why thin air?"? > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 10:58:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFw8vP008624 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:58:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NFw7Rg031556; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:58:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFvOZ2072271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:57:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFvGuh084080; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:57:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1NFvCNh083873 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB95Y3FAKHQQ9A for (sender ); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LHWGZ5EA; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:37 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:54:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Martha to Mia - I needed that! 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Status: RO If I may be so bold as to add another word of encouragement to you, Martha, I'm very much looking forward to your 18th century line as well. I am a huge fan of your mid 19th century patterns and I know that you will do the 18th century proud as well. Karen Seamstrix On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:33:48 -0500 "Martha Kelly" writes: > I can't wait for the 18cent patterns that Martha McCain/Simplicity > that are > rumored to be coming out sometime in the future. Martha McCain, I > know you > are out there.......You go girl. > > 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC. > > > > Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've been working on the > 18th > century patterns for a almost two years. (The people at Simplicity > assume > I'm dead.) These are much harder to make mass-marketable than the > Civil War > ones. By the mid nineteenth century, paper patterns, much as we know > them > today, were available. So the sewing style that went with that is > almost > modern in its mind set. But the 18th century gowns were "built on > the > body." It's tricky to reach a compromise of what's really accurate > and > what's possible for most people to be willing to attempt. I'm > hoping to > publish a companion piece separately to show how to "really" make > the > garments and to share the research I've done. Too few hours in the > day! > > Martha > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 11:05:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NG5MCD008818 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:05:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NG5LD9002465; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:05:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NFxpkC073094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFxiKd086996; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NFxcvC086697 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:59:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.275.63d8e0d (4426) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:59:25 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <275.63d8e0d.312f35dd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:59:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of my husbands 19th century costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:05:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDDD41.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 10:38:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl writes: Doesn't he look handsome :-) . Very nice! His long hair was in style then, y'know. No need to tie it back really. Just fill it full of Macassar oil. :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 11:22:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGM0gX009427 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:22:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGLwb9009684; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NGLGff077670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGLD7a012245; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53311.mail.yahoo.com (web53311.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1NGLBGI012075 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93224 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2006 16:21:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z1tH7xzp0YUy8A3ULS27+GCRXeOBR7kwcPmPgwF7majNsOwJFt6VcDowctzW4gjU3oHGZD93amWtYgRA7XnosFS+NpApW4W9IaO77UgGa/SBGRqQD9yHFaVvINYlxRB+IFFiFP082aJNM1cBt1Xnoq4jE8WKazg3KNg11urs3zg= ; Message-ID: <20060223162106.93222.qmail@web53311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.78.73.147] by web53311.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:21:06 PST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Carletta da Nicolosi To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Redwork X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDE126.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Out of curiosity and basically ignorance on this style of embroidery, what is the earliest documentable date redwork was used on garments? It is stunning! Thanks to everyone for bringing this to the list. Carletta --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 11:27:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGRmAe009557 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:27:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGRlQD012079; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:27:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NGRCCd078503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGRAAi018570; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGR5iM018464 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 73044338AA for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:27:04 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:27:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:27:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDE283.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp21-23.htm http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp41-43.htm http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp56-58.htm http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/german.html doublet and plunderhose Some patterns to consider when you get an idea of what he wants. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 11:36:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGa6Fc009748 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGa5sn015564; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NGZEuf080104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:35:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGYspM027753; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGYhrg027498 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 420BE33887 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:34:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:34:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDE475.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- >Umm, scandalous idea...why not early 17thC, Venetians and a boring ol' >doublet? They would be in the rightish time period for black powder(cannon). >>> *You have cannons in the 16th century http://www.st-max.org/images/woodcuts/Landsknecht_Artillery-3.jpg > Fencers are already wearing that time period, even though most in the SCa >do not approve. It's tolerated but SCA time frame ends Dec.31 1600, so I'm sure you can understand why some disaprove of people dressing in clothing past that ending date. Kind of like someone showing up to a Hastings event in a tudor outfit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 11:38:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGcgro009789 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:38:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGceAH016615; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:38:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NGbe3W080587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGba5K030828; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGbUKi030646 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CC3211CC9 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:37:14 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200602231627.k1NGRApc018566@net.indra.com> References: <200602231627.k1NGRApc018566@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:37:07 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sew Martha Sew!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:38:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDE510.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 9:27 AM -0700 2/23/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've been working on the 18th >century patterns for a almost two years. (The people at Simplicity assume >I'm dead.) These are much harder to make mass-marketable than the Civil War >ones. By the mid nineteenth century, paper patterns, much as we know them >today, were available. So the sewing style that went with that is almost >modern in its mind set. But the 18th century gowns were "built on the >body." It's tricky to reach a compromise of what's really accurate and >what's possible for most people to be willing to attempt. I'm hoping to >publish a companion piece separately to show how to "really" make the >garments and to share the research I've done. Too few hours in the day! And I'm awaiting them eagerly!!! Hopefully soon??? And will the companion piece be put out by you or Simplicity??? Ta Carol--ready to trot on down to ye olde JoAnnes.... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 11:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGkGX1009947 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:46:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGkFvk019855; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:46:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NGjrPK082502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGjpeP040904; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGjfG7040570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k1NGjZl11075 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:45:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 23 Feb 2006 10:45:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:45:34 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:45:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 181 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDE6D7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides Thin > Air! > ***************** > C'mon Susan....nobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project Runway??? > ;-) Actually, my husband does. I've watched precious little TV with this dissertation. Any Babylon 5 fans here? Anybody remember Garibaldi's "monolog" on "why thin air?"? Susan ----- you mean: "Thin air? Why is it always thin air? Never fat air, chubby air, mostly-fit-could-stand-lose-a-few-pounds air?" -- Garibaldi to a Supervisor in Babylon 5:"Grey 17 is Missing" Always one of my favorite characters on B5 :). Altho on Project Runway I think they are sometimes pulling things from an unmentionable place, not thin air :) :) :) Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 11:52:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGq4Uq010095 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:52:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NGq2hE022324; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NGpZEr083744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGpVYY048055; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NGpKhi047759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCJgM-0007lC-IP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:51:10 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:51:10 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223105110.n4tx5ibrsf9cwco8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:51:10 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 181 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:52:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDE832.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Catherine Kinsey : > you mean: > "Thin air? Why is it always thin air? Never fat air, chubby air, > mostly-fit-could-stand-lose-a-few-pounds air?" > -- Garibaldi to a Supervisor in Babylon 5:"Grey 17 is Missing" yessss! And the temptation is to say, I think my favorite monologue is ... but I"ve got this dang dissertation staring me in the face! > > Always one of my favorite characters on B5 :). > Altho on Project Runway I think they are sometimes pulling things from > an unmentionable place, not thin air :) :) :) Oh, yeah. I was looking through the Vogue pattern book a few months ago, and they have one of *those* in print. At least *I* think it's one of those -- your mileage may vary; and that's why we're all different! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 12:07:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NH7Ce9010430 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:07:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NH7BQf029257; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:07:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NH6Zwf086994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NH6W60065758; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:06:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NH6TkH065578 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:06:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1D1A225C for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:06:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43FDEBA1.5010508@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:06:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:07:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDEBBF.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO otsisto wrote: >> Fencers are already wearing that time period, even though most in the SCa >>do not approve. > > > It's tolerated but SCA time frame ends Dec.31 1600, so I'm sure you can > understand why some disaprove of people dressing in clothing past that > ending date. > Kind of like someone showing up to a Hastings event in a tudor outfit. > It really depends on the group you play with. In a kingdom long ago and far away we happily did 1630-ish fashion and nobody blinked. But there were a bunch of people already doing it. My current local group seems to have different interests and focus and I'd probably be out of place in "cavalier" fashion. If the husband is reluctant, dressing him very differently from the other men in the group may just make him more uncomfortable and not want to play. Something to take into account when you discuss what he likes... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 12:43:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NHhOMt011392 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:43:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NHhKnj011675; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:43:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NHgUAJ093301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NHgMwB002519; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NHgH14002441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:42:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-52.sonic.net [209.148.114.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1NHgEfp012764 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:42:16 -0800 Message-ID: <43FDF3F8.1020507@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:42:16 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] funky new Simplicity pattern References: <20060223092839.lvr9ooy478soscws@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:43:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDF438.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: > If you follow fashion, sometimes I think they use thin air to hold the > garments on the models. No wait they use double sticky tape, don't they? > I guess that brings up the story of the Emperor's New clothes.... No, no, they use PhotoShop. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 12:50:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NHo3L0011547 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NHo2IW014439; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NHn3IY094148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NHn178008951; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NHmwhc008824 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:48:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:48:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.32] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602231627.k1NGRApd018566@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:48:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 17:48:54.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[69E763E0:01C638A1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Men's shoes 1800-1810 question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDF5CA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From: Suzi Clarke >>I was wondering wat kind of shoes a men would be wearing at a ball in >>1800-1810. I have some pictures of men but they are wearing boots and I >>am not sure if that would be right for dancing. >>Greetings, >>Deredere >Flat pumps, very like ladies' shoes of the same period. Deredre, You are correct that boots are inappropriate for a ball (in that period, or pretty much any other, except under specific circumstances). Men's pumps in this period are a sort of half turned-shoe with a low heel attached. They are made as straights. http://www.thehcc.org/discus/messages/4/2696.jpg depicts "Admiral Nelsons" pumps, and were probably hastilly made since the toe spring shouldn't be that extreme. These are from a bit earlier than you were asking about, but might put you into right ball park. The buckle goes away about this time and is eventually replaced by a small bow. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 13:02:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NI2rof011852 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:02:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NI2pP7019928; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:02:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NI1o1k096082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NI1ebG022264; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NI1WvB022036 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.21a.89ae07c (15900) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M34 (fwm-m34.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.236]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c43fdf870272; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:20 -0500 Message-Id: <8C806BA4903E52C-1228-902F@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602231456.k1NEubOw018044@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.236) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:20 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602231456.k1NEubOw018044@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.236 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need some 18th century corset advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:02:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDF8CB.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi folks! I'm about to embark on my first post-elizabethan corset. I'd prefer to draft it myself, but since I don't have time for that, I'm making it from the Butterick pattern, which I believe is a mid-18th century corset. (http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4254=x&TI='corset'&page=1) But I have a few questions. Last night I measured all the pieces and found that there is only about an inch difference between the bustline and the waist. Is this correct? I thought the silhouette for that period was supposed to be conical. Given my own measurements, cylindrical doesn't sound at all comfortable for me. I know that in Elizabethan corsetry, one takes two inches off for the "squish" factor, but the manufacturers have four to five inches of "squish," according to their sizing chart. This could be accounted for if the corset, which has front and back lacing, were to be left open two inches at each closure, but the pattern, of course, doesn't have instructions for wearing the corset, just making it. And the pictures suggest it should be laced completely closed. Finally, I bought some linen to make the corset out of, but the weave doesn't seem sturdy enough to hold the cable ties in, so I bought some cotton duck to line and interline it. Should I sew the boning channels through all three layers, or sew through the lining only and cover the outside with the linen? Maybe I shouldn't put so much effort into a corset for a pirate costume, but I've always wanted a colonial dress, so if I had the underpinnings for one, I'd have an excuse to make it, right? :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 13:20:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NIKqiC012262 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:20:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NIKoCU027377; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:20:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NIKTr6098948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NIKNu7041951; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NIKA8G041662 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:20:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:20:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:19:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 181 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:19:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 18:20:04.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4A64C70:01C638A5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDFD02.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That's funny!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 181 >> At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides > Thin >> Air! >> ***************** >> C'mon Susan....nobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project > Runway??? >> ;-) > Actually, my husband does. I've watched precious little TV with this > dissertation. Any Babylon 5 fans here? Anybody remember Garibaldi's > "monolog" on "why thin air?"? > Susan > ----- > > you mean: > "Thin air? Why is it always thin air? Never fat air, chubby air, > mostly-fit-could-stand-lose-a-few-pounds air?" > -- Garibaldi to a Supervisor in Babylon 5:"Grey 17 is Missing" > > Always one of my favorite characters on B5 :). > Altho on Project Runway I think they are sometimes pulling things from > an unmentionable place, not thin air :) :) :) > > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 13:27:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NIRNAW012438 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:27:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NIRMSK029939; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:27:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NIQplK099995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NIQlHK048280; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NIQfW9048081 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.141.56ffd7b6 (15875) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M12 (fwm-m12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.76]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0343fdfe579a; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:26:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:26:31 -0500 Message-Id: <8C806BDCDBFBB7A-1178-581@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602231627.k1NGRApd018566@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.76) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:26:31 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602231627.k1NGRApd018566@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.76 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: clothing for the reluctant husband X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:27:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FDFE8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you're thinking about 16th century Bruegel peasant, don't miss this web site: http://www.houseofpung.net/cgi-bin/clothes.cgi/flemish/man/index.html I didn't think my husband would go for the tights, either, but when I showed him the pictures at the above site of a real modern-day guy wearing the outfit, he decided it was okay. I think some guys secretly want to dress up but are afraid to admit it. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 13:34:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NIYGfO012653 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:34:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NIYFpk000339; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:34:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NIXuXP001324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NIXbS9056405; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NIXSGo056094 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1ed.4c8e9987 (15900) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M12 (fwm-m12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.76]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c43fdffeb5a; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:33:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:33:15 -0500 Message-Id: <8C806BEBEAC3C0C-1178-5FC@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602231627.k1NGRApd018566@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.76) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:33:15 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602231627.k1NGRApd018566@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.76 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:34:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE0027.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm waiting for these patterns too! My main area of interest is Elizabethan, but I've always wanted an 18th century outfit, so a commercial pattern would be wonderful. And the companion piece sounds great too! Tea Rose ================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:33:48 -0500 From: "Martha Kelly" Subject: [h-cost] Martha to Mia - I needed that! Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've been working on the 18th century patterns for a almost two years. (The people at Simplicity assume I'm dead.) I'm hoping to publish a companion piece separately to show how to "really" make the garments and to share the research I've done. Too few hours in the day! Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:04:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJ4lY5013419 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:04:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJ4jrx013720; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:04:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJ461g006170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJ40YB088327; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:04:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJ3sBj088144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:03:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCLkl-0005zV-1W; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:03:51 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:03:51 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223130351.x3iegddhtgatwo8s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:03:51 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT: B5 (was [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 181 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:04:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE074D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > > Susan wrote: > >> Any Babylon 5 fans here? Anybody remember Garibaldi's "monolog" on >> "why thin air?"? > > (raises hand, looks around, sees Catherine...) > > --Robin > "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow." > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova. Commander. Daughter of Andre and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth, sweetheart. I am death incarnate, and the last living thing that you are ever going to see. God sent me." Susan Richardova (not to be confused with Susan Ivanova) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:20:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJKQ13013997 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:20:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJKPRm020524; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:20:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJJsn8008361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJJnDS004527; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJJcq4004190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k1NJJSj17788 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:19:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 23 Feb 2006 13:19:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:19:27 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:19:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Babylon 5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:20:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE0AF9.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Belatedly sharing the reason I could pull that quote from, hrmmmp, 'thin air' :); http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Quotes/B5-quotes.html Susan; it's fun to cruise for stress relief :). Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've always thought this show was one of the better examples for using costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:24:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJOtNs014230 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJOs4r022498; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJOGeL008980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJOASk009128; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:24:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJO0AJ008950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJNsIO012218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43FE0BCA.1080801@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:23:54 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Men's shoes 1800-1810 question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE0C06.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Though they are not images of extant shoes, so not as useful for details as the image Marc posted, here are some drawings of people dancing. They should provide an idea of what men's dance shoes were like, at least at the latter end of your date range (and a bit beyond): http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/rgnclfil.html#danc - Hope > From: Suzi Clarke I was wondering wat kind of shoes a men would be wearing at a ball in > 1800-1810. I have some pictures of men but they are wearing boots _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:24:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJOvsf014233 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJOuDw012368; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJOcrk009048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJOZ7Z009540; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJOUfT009340 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Colleen.McDonald@comcast.net) Received: from 67.168.178.66 ([67.168.178.66]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200602231924220130022i65e>; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:24:23 +0000 Received: from 192.150.10.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user colleen) by 67.168.178.66 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:24:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <59009.192.150.10.200.1140722663.squirrel@67.168.178.66> In-Reply-To: <20060223130351.x3iegddhtgatwo8s@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060223130351.x3iegddhtgatwo8s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Colleen McDonald" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: B5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE0C08.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan wrote: >>> Any Babylon 5 fans here? On monologues, Robin wrote: >> --Robin >> "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.">> Colleen raises hand as a B5 fan - thanks to Robin's influence ;-) > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova. Commander. Daughter of Andre and Sophie > Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance and the boot that is going to > kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth, sweetheart. I am death > incarnate, and the last living thing that you are ever going to see. > God sent me.">> This is one of my favorites, especially for darker/moodier days. For lighter days or when I need a good laugh, my favorite is the Ivanova dance! "...tell me about your portfolio, lie to me about your family....: Colleen (who loves the Centari coats with all the metallic braid!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:38:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJcOHc014589 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:38:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJcNdP028410; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:38:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJVQCv010274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJVM5s016922; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:31:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJVBMS016682 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26396 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:02:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:02:45 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Babylon 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:38:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE0F2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've > always thought this show was one of the better examples for using > costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races. Someone certainly had a lot of fun developing the style for the Centauri! Lots of Renaissance elements in that. But I frankly think the Narn are the most ambitious. The clothes look like nothing at first glance, but there are many subtle details. I'm not even sure what color they are -- they're all combinations and textures. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:43:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJhKD3014678 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:43:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJhJwk030508; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:43:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJge90012276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJgVoo028334; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:42:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJgNUm028087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:42:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCMLz-0002BF-0K; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:42:19 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:42:18 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223134218.gsmqd8xjf38ggko4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:42:18 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Babylon 5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:43:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE1057.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Catherine Kinsey : > Belatedly sharing the reason I could pull that quote from, hrmmmp, 'thin > air' :); > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Quotes/B5-quotes.html My kid (almost 18) cut his teeth on that show. He has them all memorized -- especially Zathrus, Garibaldi, and some of Susan Ivanova's quotes. > > Susan; it's fun to cruise for stress relief :). > > Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've > always thought this show was one of the better examples for using > costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races. Oh, yeah. That was phenomenal. And it showed the "personality" (if you will) of the different races. IMHO a phenomenal aspect of a phenomenal show. Somebody needs to run it again ..... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:50:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJoguQ014795 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:50:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJofjg001241; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:50:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJoBqv013293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJo709035695; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJo2cZ035452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCMTP-0002lu-1I; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:49:59 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:49:58 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223134958.xj8tzd21exw4kwk4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:49:58 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Babylon 5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:50:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE1211.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > >> Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've >> always thought this show was one of the better examples for using >> costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races. > > Someone certainly had a lot of fun developing the style for the Centauri! > Lots of Renaissance elements in that. > > But I frankly think the Narn are the most ambitious. The clothes look like > nothing at first glance, but there are many subtle details. I'm not even > sure what color they are -- they're all combinations and textures. > It's like chameleon skin. You know that there are clothes there, but you're not always sure where the clothes stop and the skin starts. My friend Joe gave me a bust of G'kar that stands as my PCR totem. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:51:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJpBGX014808 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:51:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJpAH2018532; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJocqG013341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJoYVm036105; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJo2O4035482 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.a9.359fd87 (26116) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:49:51 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:49:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's shoes 1800-1810 question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:51:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE122E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 10:26:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Flat pumps, very like ladies' shoes of the same period. Ditto--definitely NOT boots--they were not proper for the "drawing room" nor for the ballroom. My husband wears a loafer type shoe, but with the seam stitched inside, like this. _http://www.allenedmonds.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplayDetailView ?storeId=1&langId=-1&contractId=100&catalogId=40000000001&parent_category_rn=1 83&categoryId=190&productId=6370000&imageType=1&occasion=190_ (http://www.allenedmonds.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplayDetailView?storeId=1&langI d=-1&contractId=100&catalogId=40000000001&parent_category_rn=183&categoryId=19 0&productId=6370000&imageType=1&occasion=190) Regular formal pumps don't seem to come wide enough to fit him. But if you can find them, they would be best. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 14:59:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJxdR5014935 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:59:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NJxcZx005018; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:59:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NJruUH013914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJro1F039287; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJrcUi038976 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2ea.1efe3c3 (26116) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2ea.1efe3c3.312f6cb0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:53:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of my husbands 19th century costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:59:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE142A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 10:39:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl writes: http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19man/Men19th/Men19th.html It looks very good. The hat is yours, so he can wear it if he wants to, but I would discourage wearing a real artifact. You can find very good reproductions of that style of hat and they aren't too expensive. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 15:40:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NKeX8E015793 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NKeU9J022861; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NKdGbD023588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:39:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NKbsD8081470; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NKbj1B081254 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LZCBL206Z4AJVYW2@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:37:43 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LZCBL1QW4M9VAQBJ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:37:43 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:37:43 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband In-reply-to: <43FDBE1E.1010901@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43FE1D17.6010600@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> <43FDBE1E.1010901@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:40:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE1DBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dawn wrote: > You might also get him in touch with another SCA guy, so he can talk > to someone who is enthusiastic about (or at least comfortable with ) > the clothing. I've known a lot of guys afraid of looking silly, until > the peer pressure convinced them that baby blue velvet pants with a > satin lining and lace cuffs were cool. Occasionally, I think men need to be shown a short video of women's reactions to their clothes and presentation. Guys, we don't even notice you in your dark blue tunic with the dark red facing and black trousers. The video would undoubtely show us gushing "Ooo, Terese, look at that guy in the PINK!". -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 17:20:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NMKEra018063 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:20:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NMKCbD032172; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:20:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NMDjW8046552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NMDXE3070831; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from onenetom18.sge.net (onenetom18.sge.net [152.91.1.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NMDMqp070545 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@deh.gov.au) Received: from onenetvs14.sge.net (onenetvs-om [152.91.1.17]) by onenetom18.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067FFAF79 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:12 +1100 (EST) Received: from onenetvs14.sge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D7F19676 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from onenetim3.sge.net (onenetim-vs.sge.net [152.91.1.9]) by onenetvs14.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A9118AB6 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from iceberg.bar.gwy (iceberg.sge.net [152.91.9.131]) by onenetim3.sge.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B5FDA9D0 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from proxy.ea.gov.au (mail-in.deh.bar.gwy [155.187.160.31]) by iceberg.bar.gwy with ESMTP id k1NMDBdm022170 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from act01excfelb1a.internal.govt ([155.187.66.20]) by proxy.ea.gov.au (8.12.10.Beta2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1NM8Saa020782 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:09:43 +1100 (EST) Received: from act02mf01.internal.govt ([155.187.12.21]) by act01excfelb1a.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:09:04 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" x-classification-classification: 1 - SEC=UNCLASSIFIED X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 x-classification-fullclassification: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED: #:# x-classification-level1: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED x-classification-level2: x-titus-version: 2.41.0.1 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:09:03 +1100 Message-ID: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CF255BCC@act02mf01.internal.govt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: clothing for the reluctant husband - venetians [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thread-Index: AcY4rB9L1EycKLgjRv+me4jka/XMvQAGK+0g From: "Wilson, Annette" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 22:09:04.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[C26F3AA0:01C638C5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1NMDMqp070545 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: clothing for the reluctant husband - venetians [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:20:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE351C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I find one of the major selling points for late sixteenth century venetians is pockets. "Modern" men always want to carry "stuff" in their pockets, ranging from car-keys to wallets and folding knives. Although the venetians (with a pocket set into the side) in Patterns of Fashion 1 are dated after 1600, I have no problem putting pockets in those based on pre-1600 portraits, and I have found it is more economical of fabric to cut venetians with side seams anyway. Annette Wilson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 17:31:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NMVDDa018237 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:31:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1NMVCFE003911; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1NMUfYs048960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NMUaYh087320; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NMURVw087174 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:30:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1B4F33876 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:30:26 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:30:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Babylon 5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:31:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE37B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO With the Centauri the elements seemed more baroque and rococo that flowed into a Napoleonic style towards the end. I would say that the Centauri cultural look was French based. I like B5 over Star Trek with costume representation of alien race is that though both show a style, B5 had wonderful variations of that style, so that you didn't have clones walking in the background. So that to me it made the story much more believable. De -----Original Message----- On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've > always thought this show was one of the better examples for using > costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races. Someone certainly had a lot of fun developing the style for the Centauri! Lots of Renaissance elements in that. But I frankly think the Narn are the most ambitious. The clothes look like nothing at first glance, but there are many subtle details. I'm not even sure what color they are -- they're all combinations and textures. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 19:55:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O0t39b021108 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:55:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O0t2Qj019300; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O0sQwh067301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O0sMOX015223; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O0sJCE015186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29485 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FCRE3-0000lm-BV for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:54:28 -0600 Message-ID: <025e01c638dc$d7b56df0$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:54:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Natural Protein Fiber X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE5966.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Welp, I heard back from Thai Silks about the natural protein fiber--I'm actually disappointed. It's NOT the soy stuff! Here's their response: ----- Original Message ----- From: "thai silks" > It is produced from a rougher less continuously filamented part of the > cocoon--sort of sandwiched in between the outer husk and the inside > continuous filament. It is all silk. > Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 20:40:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1eb3u022033 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:40:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1eaAM001540; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:40:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O1e8Gu071619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O1e3cH050581; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NJNi8D008559 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0604BEEB7 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:23:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:23:40 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some 18th century corset advice References: <200602231456.k1NEubOw018044@net.indra.com> <8C806BA4903E52C-1228-902F@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C806BA4903E52C-1228-902F@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060223192338.A0604BEEB7@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:40:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE6414.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have made the corset and it fits really nice. The straps in the pattern are placed wrong they go over the schoulder as a modern bra but they have to go more to the point of the schoulder. But I am only a small cub C. Make it at least one size smaller than what the pattern suggest. Here you can see pictures of a corset made of this pattern. http://mystictimes.nl/Verkoop/Verkoop.html There is a corset in Corsets and crinolines wich looks a lot like the Butterick corset. Greetings, Deredere They tearoses@aol.com wrote: >Hi folks! > >I'm about to embark on my first post-elizabethan corset. I'd prefer to draft it myself, but since I don't have time for that, I'm making it from the Butterick pattern, which I believe is a mid-18th century corset. (http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4254=x&TI='corset'&page=1) But I have a few questions. Last night I measured all the pieces and found that there is only about an inch difference between the bustline and the waist. Is this correct? I thought the silhouette for that period was supposed to be conical. Given my own measurements, cylindrical doesn't sound at all comfortable for me. > >I know that in Elizabethan corsetry, one takes two inches off for the "squish" factor, but the manufacturers have four to five inches of "squish," according to their sizing chart. This could be accounted for if the corset, which has front and back lacing, were to be left open two inches at each closure, but the pattern, of course, doesn't have instructions for wearing the corset, just making it. And the pictures suggest it should be laced completely closed. > >Finally, I bought some linen to make the corset out of, but the weave doesn't seem sturdy enough to hold the cable ties in, so I bought some cotton duck to line and interline it. Should I sew the boning channels through all three layers, or sew through the lining only and cover the outside with the linen? > >Maybe I shouldn't put so much effort into a corset for a pirate costume, but I've always wanted a colonial dress, so if I had the underpinnings for one, I'd have an excuse to make it, right? :) > >Tea Rose > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 20:41:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1ffKg022052 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1feMw018582; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O1fTxD071926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O1fTk2052133; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O0ZJWj098629 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.50] (acty3050.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.50]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755DE5C665 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:35:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43FE54BD.4050103@dandy.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:35:09 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE6454.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. Since I am one of those folks firing off cannon at SCA events, perhaps I can help. First, before even discussing styles, let me say that I would not only recommend, but practically insist, that everything worn be of a natural material. I don't wear potential napalm on my body and don't suggest it for anyone else. Wool, even in the summer, has protected me from burns and ignition on many occasions. This said, the later the historical period, the closer to modern clothing, and the more likely your hubby will be willing to wear it. I would recommend late Elizabethan, with a shirt, breeches a doublet (sleeveless, if need be for comfort), and a coat or cassock. The broad-brimmed hat (pretty ubiquitous around the SCA) could round out the look. Breeches don't have to be pumpkin pants, venetians or nautical wide legged breeches can work. If your hubby has thick calves, rather than trying to find cotton knit hose (improper for the period anyway), just make cuthose of linen following directions for 15th C hose but only making the part from a little above the knee down. Use a garter at the knee and you are set. Sleeveless doublet can be of leather, slashed or pinked, and that will protect from burns too. Some of the 16th C men's stuff looks pretty butch, avoiding the *ugh, that looks girly* effect. Good Luck, Mike T. PS you can try clothing up to about 1650, 99% of the folks in the SCA don't know the difference anyway... > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 20:43:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1hPO2022094 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:43:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1hO37002463; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:43:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O1h5Nt072050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O1h5rZ053350; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f17.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O1h136053279 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:43:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:43:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.74] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602232231.k1NMUabd087322@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:43:00 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 01:43:01.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[A59784A0:01C638E3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Men's shoes 1800-1810 question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:43:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE64BC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From: AnnBWass@aol.com >By the way, I want to make this clear--I know this isn't an absolutely >authentic shoe for the period, but one that is readily available and not as >expensive as custom made. We DID go with custom-made boots for him which >were >outrageously expensive but are so comfortable that he wears them whenever >he can >(but, alas! not in the ballroom). You can still find formal men's pumps today. You might try your local tuxedo supply places. 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Status: RO << but I'm hopeless at drafting (partly because I have trouble getting somebody to do accurate measurements for me) or enlarging patterns>> Sigh unfortunately I had to learn to draft because I am a really odd shape, even taking into account the fact that commercial patterns are based on an ideal standard. I'm a size 14 in commercial patterns, my main measurements are pretty close (hips waist, bust) but most of my bust measurement is from my ribcage. It makes for a very tricky fit even for professional seamstresses. Been there, realised I know my own body best had a very steep learning curve in pattern drafting;) Good commercial patterns though I *love* because it helps those who cannot draft or drape, and it's all about being able to look at the pretties;). I have to keep reminding myself that the mathematical aspect of sewing isn't as easy for everyone. Just as I don't do embroidery and others can whip through that aspect with amazing results;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: 23/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 21:38:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2cLF1023321 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:38:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2cKYl021806; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:38:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O2c5Ln078599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2c3Cg001269; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2bwxU001116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O4KdTx007107 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:20:39 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:42:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <275.63c6113.312f2703@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <275.63c6113.312f2703@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602232142.21407.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:38:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE719C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 23 February 2006 9:56 am, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: [snip] > Remember, leather and boots greatly "butch up" an outfit....but are > expensive. > I say: if he wants "butch", make him pay for his leather and boots himself. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 21:41:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2f6Xa023469 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:41:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2f5ER022925; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O2dZjY078860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2dY6V002626; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2dUDg002539 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29548 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:11:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:11:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Almost OT, Chaucer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:41:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE7241.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Geoffrey Chaucer hath a blog. Really: http://houseoffame.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/ Only a handful of posts, but in September he wrote about costume: << for a while ther I wolde breke a swete bifor I had ypassed St. Katherines chirche now I kanne weare mine woolen hosen, and mine little hatte >> --Robin tongue thrust firmly through left cheek _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 21:48:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2mcoR023602 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:48:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2mblq025316; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:48:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O2mB0v080267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:48:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2m8tv009598; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2m4Xx009488 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:48:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:48:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:47:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <025e01c638dc$d7b56df0$e100a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Natural Protein Fiber Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 02:48:01.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA496F90:01C638EC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:48:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE7405.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got a catalog today and it has soy fibers in it. Do you want the title or where to find the stuff? ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Natural Protein Fiber > Welp, I heard back from Thai Silks about the natural protein fiber--I'm > actually disappointed. It's NOT the soy stuff! > Here's their response: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "thai silks" >> It is produced from a rougher less continuously filamented part of the >> cocoon--sort of sandwiched in between the outer husk and the inside >> continuous filament. It is all silk. >> Jeanne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 21:50:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2oqiF023677 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:50:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O2opjX026298; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O2oDNs080546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2oDbw011267; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O2o8Qm011127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O4WnFf007478 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:32:49 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:54:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> <43FDBE1E.1010901@reddawn.net> <43FE1D17.6010600@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <43FE1D17.6010600@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602232154.31391.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:50:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE748B.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 23 February 2006 3:37 pm, Adele de Maisieres wrote: > Dawn wrote: > > You might also get him in touch with another SCA guy, so he can talk > > to someone who is enthusiastic about (or at least comfortable with ) > > the clothing. I've known a lot of guys afraid of looking silly, until > > the peer pressure convinced them that baby blue velvet pants with a > > satin lining and lace cuffs were cool. > > Occasionally, I think men need to be shown a short video of women's > reactions to their clothes and presentation. Guys, we don't even notice > you in your dark blue tunic with the dark red facing and black > trousers. The video would undoubtely show us gushing "Ooo, Terese, look > at that guy in the PINK!". And color's not the only issue. I have a personal anecdote to relate on the issue of tights (okay, waist-length hose) on men. In September my husband and I were in a LARP set in the early Italian Renaissance. It was a body-conscious era, but Eric didn't want to mess with hose with points, and I'm no tailor (so I wasn't about to try to make him a period farsetto, either with the Medieval Miscellanea pattern or from scratch.) He was willing to wear modern tights with a doublet. I had a black, vaguely late Elizabethan Chivalry Sports doublet I'd purchased for him several years ago (also for a LARP). So he wore that, and I bought him a suitable hat and made him a knee length cioppa, black and silver brocade, with red satin lining, to wear over it all. I was a bit concerned about how well it would all look, but not from an authenticity perspective. (It turned out that the GMs for the game knew *nothing* of period costume, so that despite all my compromises Eric was one of the most authentically dressed people in the game.) No, my concern was that Eric's acquired quite a bit of a gut over the past few years--too much traveling and eating crappy airline/hotel food. I was a bit worried that he'd look like a dodo bird or something in doublet and hose. To my surprise, he looked *marvelous*, even without the cioppa. The doublet still fit, and minimized his gut, and his legs and butt are quite nice if I must say so myself. With the hat and the cioppa, he really looked the part of the Duke of Milan (which he was playing). I'm kicking myself for not having taken pictures. (Of course, we still have the costume, but the game turned sour for Eric, so I don't want to remind him of it too soon by making him wear the costume again just for a photo shoot.) Things like this are a useful reminder that our forebears weren't idiots, and that clothing that looks so odd when you first encounter pictures of it in books really is flattering when you fit it on real people. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:06:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O36HfK024075 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:06:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O36GKW032278; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O35Ygo082991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O35WC5023865; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:05:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O35Otw023776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from [64.186.88.114] (port=2359 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1FCTGm-0008UC-Iw for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <43FE77ED.1040005@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:05:17 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ] Re: Flour Sack Fabric References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:06:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE7828.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO the flour sack towels available at walmart, etc are actually just basic muslin. if you ask for cotton muslin at the fabric area you will have a similar stuff. The osnaburg I was given when I asked for it one place was a light weight twill, which I love for pillows, but I've heard on other lists that osnaburg is a heavy weight coarse muslin or plain weave fabric but between muslin and burlap in weight and coarseness. FWIW, Kitty otsisto wrote: > The osnaberg is stiff because of the sizing in the material. It loosens and > soften up after you wash it. > I do not think that osnaberg is equivalent to flour sack material but this > is isn't based on anything solid. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Sylvia, > I was looking at Osnaberg at the store and it seemed too stiff; I'll have to > look again and take a towel along with me for comparison. > Thanks, > Wendi > Sylvia wrote: > I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) > > Sylrog > > On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > > >>Hello, >>I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack >>fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law >>and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a >>hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be >>greatly appreciated. >> >>TIA, >>Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:10:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3A7SZ024121 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:10:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3A69I001198; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:10:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O39ppi083623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O39oMY027438; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:09:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O39kVN027379 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m204.in-tch.com [216.166.191.204]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k1O318A23850 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:01:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00ab01c638f0$c3eaf6a0$ccbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Almost OT, Chaucer Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:16:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:10:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE790E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for forwarding this. I laughed so loud that the cats came over to see what was wrong.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Almost OT, Chaucer > > Geoffrey Chaucer hath a blog. Really: > http://houseoffame.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/ > > Only a handful of posts, but in September he wrote about costume: > > << > for a while ther I wolde breke a swete bifor I had ypassed St. Katherines > chirche > now I kanne weare mine woolen hosen, and mine little hatte > >> > > --Robin > tongue thrust firmly through left cheek _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:22:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3M8Bq024378 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:22:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3M0ix005478; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:22:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O3LYWr085320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:21:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3LUuw037122; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:21:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3LLRX036956 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.24a.757b934 (3866) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:21:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <24a.757b934.312fd5a8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:21:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Natural Protein Fiber To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:22:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE7BD8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 7:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: It is produced from a rougher less continuously filamented part of the > cocoon--sort of sandwiched in between the outer husk and the inside > continuous filament. It is all silk. I was wondering if it might be another type of silk--I think it would be a misnomer to call the soy fiber "natural" protein fiber. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:28:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3SBNj024529 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:28:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3SA3E007539; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:28:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O3RPq7085947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3P06d040100; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:25:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3Ounk039941 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.55.35648ee (3866) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <55.35648ee.312fd67f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:24:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that! 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:41:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: (you wouldn't consider following 18th century with 16th century would you? I believe Martha prefers to work from as many original garments as she can get her hands on. Alas, there are precious few extant 16th century garments available for study and are there any at all in the U.S.? I want her to do English Regency/Federal myself, but doubt if the market is there. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:32:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3Wdnw024740 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:32:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3WcKh009230; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:32:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O3USkT086232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3S7dq042560; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3S1Zv042411 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1c8.3b5082a8 (3866) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1c8.3b5082a8.312fd737@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:27:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Men's shoes 1800-1810 question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:32:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE7E56.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:48:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marccarlson20@hotmail.com writes: You can still find formal men's pumps today. You might try your local tuxedo supply places. Not in the wide widths, that I have found, and my husband has WIDE feet! However, for those with a medium width foot, certainly tuxedo pumps can be found. Sometimes you can even find them in the discount type shoe stores. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:40:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3etnM025225 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:40:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3ercq012363; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:40:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O3eHf2087557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:40:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3eC8E052297; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3e5aP052227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:40:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1O3dxg1006384 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:40:05 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Babylon 5 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:43:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:40:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE8045.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got to see one of the G'Kar costumes at the Seattle Science Fiction Museum last weekend. The costume is almost all created out of hot glue and bits and pieces. I was so bummed to hear that Andreas Katsulas passed away from inoperable lung cancer on 13 February. "loved smoking with a passion that cannot be described", was diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer; he passed away a year later, in Los Angeles, California. He was 59. He is survived by his wife and two children. The day after his death, his Babylon 5 co-star Jerry Doyle devoted much of his daily radio talk show to Katsulas, sharing stories of their days working together on Babylon 5. Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:03 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Babylon 5 > > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > > > Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've > > always thought this show was one of the better examples for using > > costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races. > > Someone certainly had a lot of fun developing the style for the Centauri! > Lots of Renaissance elements in that. > > But I frankly think the Narn are the most ambitious. The clothes look like > nothing at first glance, but there are many subtle details. I'm not even > sure what color they are -- they're all combinations and textures. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:44:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3ipb1025259 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3ioBe014066; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O3iVQi087927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:44:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3iUw0055771; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:44:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3iQvK055716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:44:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from [64.186.88.114] (port=2371 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1FCTsZ-00052l-U2 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:29 -0500 Message-ID: <43FE810A.6070909@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:10 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flame retardant children's sleepwear fabric References: <20050704161136.01005E4BA@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050704161136.01005E4BA@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE8132.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Another thing snug fitting sleepwear can do is prevent so much oxygen from getting to the flame. A flame which is trying to light a snug fitting pyjama might not catch so easily nor burn so well. Joannah Hansen wrote: > The thing about 'snug-fitting' sleepwear for children has the rationale that the problem with traditional 'loose' nightgowns or PJs was that their excess fabric was much more likely to fall into the flame from a fire, or onto the heating element of those old bar heaters, than PJs with knit bands at the wrists and ankles, or nightgowns that were pretty much just a close fitting tube with sleeves. > > Many years ago ( 1985-86-ish ) there was a poster up on the wall of the Red-Cross Tea Room under the Brisbane City Hall ( it had a cloakroom where you could leave luggage while going about whatever business you had in town, toilets, shower, and mothers' room ) which had simple but effective illustrations of the 'good' styles, the 'bad' styles, and *why* the 'bad' styles where dangerous. ( I think there was a reasonably graphic depiction of small girl with her nightgown catching on fire from the skirt falling into a heater. ) It also recommended using sleepwear made from fire-retardant fabrics. > > In Australia, I think it has become less of an issue - at least, I haven't seen the topic addressed in sundry parent-child-oriented publications - as that particular style of heater was withdrawn from the market as being too dangerous, it was around that time that fan heaters and oil-filled heaters became the only types which you could buy. I also suspect that the majority of childrens sleepwear available in the shops is in the recommended styles, but I could be wrong about that, not having had to buy kiddies sleepwear. ( No kids yet! ;-) ) > > My 2 cents. > > Joannah. > > --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:17:59 EDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flame retardant children's sleepwear fabric > > > In a message dated 6/21/2005 4:55:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: > > I have several ready-made cotton children's pjs, and they are not flame > retardant (and are so marked). > > > yes, I've noticed in reading labels on ready-made sleepwear that evidently > the legislation was changed to allow knit cotton fabrics for children's > sleepwear, as long as they are "snug fitting." Don't know if that was a result of > pressure from manufacturers, or consumers, or something else--I've been out > of touch with all those issues for about 10 years now. > > Ann Wass > _______________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:56:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3tv5F025476 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:55:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3tp37018433; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O3tXfL089349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3tWi9065425; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3tTPw065291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCU3F-0007FG-Lc; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:55:29 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:55:29 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223215529.52iava1yxghwocko@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:55:29 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Wanda Pease : > I got to see one of the G'Kar costumes at the Seattle Science Fiction Museum > last weekend. The costume is almost all created out of hot glue and bits > and pieces. I was so bummed to hear that Andreas Katsulas passed away from > inoperable lung cancer on 13 February. Oh, man; I *hate* that. Small cell lung cancer is a truely ugly disease. The *two* year survival rate is *20%* Susan, whose beloved Mother-in-law lived 13 months with small cell. ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 22:59:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3xFJ7025543 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:59:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O3xD6c019907; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O3weOf089578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3wep8068161; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O3wbrI068042 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.274.6440d2e (15900) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c43fe8464143; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:58:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060223153627.86716BE863@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20060223153627.86716BE863@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-Id: <3dc3d940da2c3fd4aa1cc9e964759a97@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of my husbands 19th century costume Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:57:53 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:59:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE8491.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1O3xFJ7025543 Status: RO Looks GREAT! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Finally I have pictures! > Doesn't he look handsome :-) . > > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19man/Men19th/Men19th.html > > The hat he is wearing is an original from 1850 at least that is wat > toled to me. > It is my fhirst 19th century men's costume and I think I can do better > but I am happy it is finished. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:00:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O40PTW025567 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:00:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1fTjq005132; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O1fEIk071892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:41:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O1fEkc051937; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:41:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NNFO99030445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:15:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-44-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.44]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1NNFMHW002457 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:15:23 +1100 Message-ID: <004801c638cf$0629b460$2cf0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602231627.k1NGRApd018566@net.indra.com> <8C806BEBEAC3C0C-1178-5FC@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that! > I'm waiting for these patterns too! My main area of interest is > Elizabethan, but I've always wanted an 18th century outfit, so a > commercial pattern would be wonderful. And the companion piece sounds > great too! > > Tea Rose > Me too! I primarily do Tudor (you wouldn't consider following 18th century with 16th century would you? there might be a big enough market in the Ren faires and SCA) but I'm rather a timeperiod magpie (ooh look pretty dresses) so I jump periods when I get the opportunity but I'm hopeless at drafting (partly because I have trouble getting somebody to do accurate measurements for me) or enlarging patterns (my attempt at enlarging a pattern from 'Patterns of Fashion 1' ended up with shoulders designed for a weightlifter) so commercial patterns are a wonderful thing to my mind, and something I can pick up from my local fabric shop for $7-8 if they are on special is something I can afford compared to buying small company patterns which are 2-3 times the price plus international postage. Keep up the wonderful work and I hope to see something wonderful in the pattern catalogues soon. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:01:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O41XqW025586 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:01:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1f0il022289; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O1eh5L071747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:40:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O1ehHX051268; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:40:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NK2LP6046819 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.d4.37c61305 (26116) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:02:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:02:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's shoes 1800-1810 question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE642C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO By the way, I want to make this clear--I know this isn't an absolutely authentic shoe for the period, but one that is readily available and not as expensive as custom made. We DID go with custom-made boots for him which were outrageously expensive but are so comfortable that he wears them whenever he can (but, alas! not in the ballroom). Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:08:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O48aac025704 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:08:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O1f5A4023692; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O1esBG071802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O1esTJ051468; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NKUmMb073832 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LZCBCEGJO0AJVYW2@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:30:45 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LZCBCE7UDI9VBBNF@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:30:44 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:30:44 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43FE1B74.6070006@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:41:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE6431.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: >Yes, I would have suggested that, but I thought the SCA stopped at 1600? He could wear doublet and breeches (no codpiece) with a plain falling band - no need for lace or ribbons if he doesn't want them. > Yes, it does. But that would still allow him exactly what you suggest-- fairly plain 'Venetian' breeches, doublet, falling band with little or no lace. etc., and he'd only need knee-length hose. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:10:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4APGn025739 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:10:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4AO8S024810; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:10:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O44Y2e090129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O44XNS073140; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:04:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O44S0b072993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCUBs-0007uK-Oq; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:04:24 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:04:24 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223220424.piee5bshj1hcw8ks@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:04:24 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that! 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Status: RO Quoting Elizabeth Walpole : > > Me too! I primarily do Tudor (you wouldn't consider following 18th > century with 16th century would you? there might be a big enough > market in the Ren faires and SCA) but I'm rather a timeperiod magpie > (ooh look pretty dresses) so I jump periods when I get the opportunity OOoh, Italian! :-) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:10:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4AeIa025746 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:10:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4AZJs014991; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:10:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O4AOMC090721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:10:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4AMWY077760; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4AJ9X077705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:10:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1O4AF9L019024 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:10:18 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Babylon 5 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:13:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060223215529.52iava1yxghwocko@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:10:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE873B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Oh, man; I *hate* that. Small cell lung cancer is a truly ugly > disease. The *two* year survival rate is *20%* > > Susan, whose beloved Mother-in-law lived 13 months with small cell. > ----- My father passed away after fighting emphysema for about 7 years. It was a mercy because he was bright and alert right up until the end. He just was slowly drowning because of 45-50 years of smoking. Every time I see someone light up I want to beat them! It's not that the death is so bad - it's the dying. Way too often it is long and agonizing for everyone involved! Wanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:13:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4DWWI025804 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4DKAx025781; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O4Ct1e091077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:12:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4Csgu079837; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4CoXJ079740 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:12:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:12:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.47.224 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:12:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.47.224] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub><43FDBE1E.1010901@reddawn.net> <43FE1D17.6010600@paradise.net.nz> <200602232154.31391.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:12:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:12:46 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 04:12:49.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[92FAC270:01C638F8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE87E0.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1O4DWWI025804 Status: RO While my S.O. was wearing knee length t-tunics before I ever met him, he won't wear hose on a bet. However, weight gain plus an unwillingness to buy new clothes made me realize that, as long as his footwear covers the ankle, sweatpants in a size or two too small make a good substitute. They definitely look better than modern dance tights and most sweat pants stretch enough that they're not uncomfortable. Of course, the shopper has to be vigilant to avoid stripes and logos and strange looking fabrics but a man won't see anything unusual about wearing sweatpants, even if they do cling to legs and butt. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:40:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4ducG026307 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:40:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4dtRB002823; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:39:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O4d6Ba094035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4d0o7000894; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4cuX0000806 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1O4WKkt020211 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:32:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602240340.k1O3eDYT052302@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Taking up a collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:39:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE8E1B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I believe Martha prefers to work from as many original garments as she can get her hands on. Alas, there are precious few extant 16th century garments available for study and are there any at all in the U.S.? - Ann Wass So send me to England - to Europe - to Kyoto!!! Have tape measure, will travel. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 23 23:43:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4hFbC026388 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:43:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O4hEcL004293; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:43:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O4gfEp094712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:42:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4gcfD004420; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O4gYgN004219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:42:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCUmn-0002ga-H7; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:42:33 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:42:33 -0600 Message-ID: <20060223224233.3g3ldsc49mo0gs40@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:42:33 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taking up a collection References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:43:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE8EE2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Martha Kelly : >> >> I believe Martha prefers to work from as many original garments as she can >> get her hands on. Alas, there are precious few extant 16th century >> garments >> available for study and are there any at all in the U.S.? - Ann Wass > > So send me to England - to Europe - to Kyoto!!! Have tape measure, will > travel. and you'll need somebody to tote and fetch for you won't you! :-D Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 00:17:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O5HX9a027050 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:17:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O5HVL5017735; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:17:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O5Gt5Z099947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:16:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O5Grpk035899; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O5Gm3p035856 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qMIbpHEYSAX50QKDlxUKZIyp0pWumRF28LHUnh056bfBgT/8AImgTq5+UTkhsBrP; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.49.170] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FCVJv-00023H-Ca for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:16:47 -0500 Message-ID: <03be01c63901$96b124a0$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub><43FDBE1E.1010901@reddawn.net> <43FE1D17.6010600@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:17:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48521e4212bc0695fa2b1c4abdba679cd43ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.170 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:17:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FE96EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Occasionally, I think men need to be shown a short video of women's > reactions to their clothes and presentation. Guys, we don't even notice > you in your dark blue tunic with the dark red facing and black trousers. > The video would undoubtely show us gushing "Ooo, Terese, look at that guy > in the PINK!". > > > -- > Adele de Maisieres I remember the first time I put my very reluctant usually 12th-century-tunic-wearing husband into full Cavalier. Full pleated knee britches, high waisted doublet, lace collar and cuff and tights. He did it because he loves me and that way he and I would match, but I could tell he was a bit apprehensive. Then, we went to the event and did he ever get compliments from the ladies. Women who had never given him a second glance were practically fighting to be the one to tell him how good he looked. He's now on his third suit and is constantly looking for lace and trims to be used on his costumes. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 01:14:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O6EHkh028003 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:14:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O6EFBW004612; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:14:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O6Dg2j006107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O6Dctk080263; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O6DZtk080212 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AD75CE71 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:13:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060223125959.03631350@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Redwork In-Reply-To: <20060223162106.93222.qmail@web53311.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060223162106.93222.qmail@web53311.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FEA437.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:21 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote: >Out of curiosity and basically ignorance on this style of embroidery, what >is the earliest documentable date redwork was used on garments? It is >stunning! > > Thanks to everyone for bringing this to the list. > > Carletta I am no expert on this field, but my understanding is that this is an example of Blackwork style of embroidery, only done in a monochrome red thread instead of black. And I intend on making those sleeves, and maybe the matching partlet as well. I just have other projects to do first, so those are in my "someday" box. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 01:18:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O6Iwtq028071 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:18:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O6Ivec006145; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:19:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O6DgEP006108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O6DcNC080259; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O6DZ3q080219 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968535CE9B for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:13:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060223130312.03665f18@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:09:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk/'natural protein' In-Reply-To: <20060222114616.23B4734A@dm22.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060222114616.23B4734A@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:19:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FEA552.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:46 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote: >Is there anything that they cannot use soybeans for? > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender John Marshall, a North of the SF Bay area artist who creates Japanese garments and paints them (such a crude word for his artistry) uses soybeans for fixing the dyes. He basically creates his work, then uses a soy mixture to coat the material, presses the garments, then allows the garment to hang for many months to cure the work. He learned this technique from his Japanese master. He claims that the soy chemically bonds with the silk fabrics and pigments, and strengthens the silk so it will last over a hundred years, vs an approximate lifespan of 50 years. He's got a brochure on this that I own, and claims that soy is a wonder plant. His brochure is called "Salvation through Soy! Blissful Dyeing for All Eternity, the Secrets Revealed with John Marshall as your guide." He's got a great sense of humor as well. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 01:45:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O6jkLs028594 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:45:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O6jjPe015298; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:45:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O6jRqQ011063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O6jPwx007577; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:45:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O6jM3d007544 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:45:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1960C5161A for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:45:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060223221946.0367b1e0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:23:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Babylon 5 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:45:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FEAB99.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:19 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote: >Belatedly sharing the reason I could pull that quote from, hrmmmp, 'thin >air' ; >http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Quotes/B5-quotes.html > >Susan; it's fun to cruise for stress relief . > >Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've >always thought this show was one of the better examples for using >costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races. > >Catherine Oh, thank you. My husband and I love B5, have all the DVDs, and my husband often quotes from it. The following is my favorite quote "I'll wake you in four hours." "Thanks. That's assuming I can get any sleep in these. The Captain warned me about these things, but I had no idea.." "They are wery restful, good for the back." "Well, someday I want to be stationed in somewhere with big four-poster bed, canopy, and maybe a window with a view of a garden." "I like gardens, .. and big four-poster beds. .. Right. See you in four hours." -- Marcus and Ivanova in Babylon 5:"Shadow Dancing" Costume Content: My husband would love to have Marcus' Ranger outfit, and someday I hope to make it for him... when I can find the right kind of silk for the robe. I am sorry that Andreas Katsulas passed on. My husband heard about it on a blog, but I never saw it in the papers or in the news (I may have missed it). May he rest in peace. Andreas will always be remembered by his many fans as the one and only G'Kar. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 02:05:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O756rY029636 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:05:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O7544J021005; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:05:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O71cBN012565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O71bov018974; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:01:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O71Xbj018914 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kat@redtrollforge.com) Received: from KATSCOMPUTER (ip33.4.dsl-acs2.ptldor2.iinet.com [198.145.4.33]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E847970969 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:01:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Kat Russell" To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:01:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Babylon 5 Message-ID: <43FE3EC6.9959.17649A65@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20060223221946.0367b1e0@64.87.54.245> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:05:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FEB021.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I am sorry that Andreas Katsulas passed on. My husband heard about it > on a blog, but I never saw it in the papers or in the news (I may have > missed it). May he rest in peace. Andreas will always be remembered by > his many fans as the one and only G'Kar. Scifi news had this (as well as info about his life and various roles, including that of G'Kar):Babylon 5's Katsulas Dies Andreas Katsulas, the character actor known to SF fans as G'Kar on Babylon 5 and a familiar face from Star Trek and other SF&F TV shows, died Feb. 13 of lung cancer in Los Angeles, his agent, Donna Massetti, confirmed to SCI FI Wire. He was 59. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 04:12:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O9C5CJ024615 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:12:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1O9C40B025399; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1O9BbvE027322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O9BYlS018275; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1O9BUAM018213 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 24BF3368BB for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:11:30 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:11:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <03be01c63901$96b124a0$0200a8c0@boris> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:12:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FECDE4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "In every man there is a peacock waiting to be coaxed out with the right ensemble" A quote I had heard once. De -----Original Message----- I remember the first time I put my very reluctant usually 12th-century-tunic-wearing husband into full Cavalier. Full pleated knee britches, high waisted doublet, lace collar and cuff and tights. He did it because he loves me and that way he and I would match, but I could tell he was a bit apprehensive. Then, we went to the event and did he ever get compliments from the ladies. Women who had never given him a second glance were practically fighting to be the one to tell him how good he looked. He's now on his third suit and is constantly looking for lace and trims to be used on his costumes. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 07:18:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OCIbDe031121 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:18:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OCIZDu019928; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OCI42N046657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:18:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OCI0UE058025; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OCHur0057932 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.68.664e1790 (4539) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:17:47 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <68.664e1790.3130536b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:17:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:18:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FEF99B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/24/2006 4:12:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: "In every man there is a peacock waiting to be coaxed out with the right ensemble" While it makes me cringe, my husband says that he is my Ken doll. I never had one growing up, but I never wanted one, either. I thought men's clothes were BOOOOORING. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 07:19:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OCJKhA031221 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:19:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OCJJdZ031316; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OCJ2sN046744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OCJ1qi058760; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OCIwO8058668 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:19:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F354D319276 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:18:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:18:56 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of my husbands 19th century costume References: <2ea.1efe3c3.312f6cb0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2ea.1efe3c3.312f6cb0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060224121852.F354D319276@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:19:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FEF9C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Unfortionally original hats are much cheaper than new hats. If we want a new hat it will kost us at least tree times as much and we can't afford that. They only cheaper hats I could find were felt one size fits none hats. He wil wear it probably once a year. And I think more people can endjoy the hat while he is wearing it with his costume than when we have it at home in a box. Greetings, Deredere AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/23/2006 10:39:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl writes: > >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19man/Men19th/Men19th.html > > > > >It looks very good. > >The hat is yours, so he can wear it if he wants to, but I would discourage >wearing a real artifact. You can find very good reproductions of that style >of hat and they aren't too expensive. > >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 08:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OD8feA003251 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:08:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OD8emD005904; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:08:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OD7vQW059418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OD7uXx095479; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OD7rmt095379 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16065100F5 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23984-01-91 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 259E95100F3 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:07:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001d01c63943$4dbe7f80$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602231627.k1NGRApd018566@net.indra.com><8C806BEBEAC3C0C-1178-5FC@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com><004801c638cf$0629b460$2cf0f4dc@user4712b7d135> <00ab01c638e9$2aeeb420$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that! > > I'm a size 14 in commercial patterns, my main measurements are pretty > close > (hips waist, bust) but most of my bust measurement is from my ribcage. It > makes for a very tricky fit even for professional seamstresses. Been > there, > realised I know my own body best had a very steep learning curve in > pattern > drafting;) It IS a PITA, isn't it? I'm glad to hear of someone else with the same issues. I have a big ribcage, broad shoulders, chunky arms, short legs, and a flat butt. Getting things to fit is a nightmare! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 08:50:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ODnhgu004342 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:49:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ODngBi021891; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:49:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ODn15H075463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ODmtMa029674; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ODmmRP029613 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2188 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 13:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 13:48:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060224134405.01d67f68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:49:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF0EF6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have just received the most wonderful book from Amazon. "18th Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh, (ISBN 1 86108 476 5) and am drooling as I type. The pictures are clear, and there are diagrams. It includes silk embroidery, metal thread and spangles, whitework, quilting, tambour and chain, crewel and novelty threads,Hollie Point and knotting!! I know there will be other list members interested. I'm back to my cup of tea and the book. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 09:05:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OE54EY004754 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:05:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OE53eU027655; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:05:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OE4f9V077797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:04:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OE4P4q042025; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OE3omj041324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k1OE3hD51676 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:03:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 24 Feb 2006 08:03:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:03:43 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:03:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Babylon 5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:05:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF128F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got to see one of the G'Kar costumes at the Seattle Science Fiction Museum last weekend. The costume is almost all created out of hot glue and bits and pieces. I was so bummed to hear that Andreas Katsulas passed away from inoperable lung cancer on 13 February. "loved smoking with a passion that cannot be described", was diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer; he passed away a year later, in Los Angeles, California. He was 59. He is survived by his wife and two children. The day after his death, his Babylon 5 co-star Jerry Doyle devoted much of his daily radio talk show to Katsulas, sharing stories of their days working together on Babylon 5. Regina =============================== Reminds me of when a friend got an upclose look at some of the BBC costumes and props for either Six Wives or Elizabeth R. She said there was a lot of gold painted hot glue! I guess the 10-foot rule applys to tv cameras as well as the stage :). Can't push the envelope quite that far at faire darn it. The Narn costumes were an amazing blend of fabrics, loved the Minbari robes too. I saw that we had lost Andreas last week, hits home right now as my father just had surgery for lung cancer (caught unbelievable early, excellent prognosis). There will never be another G'Kar. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 09:51:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OEpSfq005822 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:51:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OEpRUf014944; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:51:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OEorKi083410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OEopAe082133; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:50:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OEol1m081999 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.220.19]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060224145041.UOYK3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:50:41 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! 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Status: RO Oooooh! I can't wait to see it:) Anne P.S. I do have both of Jean's lady's books:) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: 2/23/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 10:29:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OFTaCi006722 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:29:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OFTYpE030378; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OFSmBu090033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OFSkkd021253; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OFSh7k021106 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:28:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26933 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2006 15:28:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=52qZladcRtIbHIuUcn+aOYq5D4hiFd5E/oI9EGNA7veYdpkAGi5TFjn5RkSu6nbQ7LPodwkS1t4VzMKuz5r8YXFH7VdmMJvKvpeMsl6/+qiRy9pYLdPtju99cXWxk7mZJFcfDeeUWfCwz0gh+kz6EEx4boLCBeJ5Vo+jVi98XEg= ; Message-ID: <20060224152838.26931.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:28:38 PST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602240911.k1O9BZXS018288@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:29:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF265E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO actually, Simplicity may be really gald they have you, Martha. Read that SHOULD BE GLAD. Down here in North Carolina it seems to be the home sewing market is really dried up in the past 10 or so years. Nobody is sewing for children, Nobody is really doing sewing for themselves, There are really no fabric stores in a 100 mile radius of Charlotte beyond, Mary Jos and Hancock's, and mostly they have home deck and quilting fabric, not much in the way of people type fabric. The nearest JoAnns in 90+ miles away. There are several stores at cater to the quilting segment, and one small one that sell Upmarket/Highend fabrics. A this is an introduction to Major Patter Companies can't be selling a huge amount of home sewing patterns. Right now, all I can think of who are doing sewing are the reenactment/costume folks like us. And these are people who will go ANYWHERE, Look at everything, Buy patterns that they don't really need but collect anyway, Have projects in the planning stage for a long time. It would be interesting to know how well the patterns do in comparison to other costume patterns and general run of the mill patterns vs. home dec stuff. 18c Mia in Charlotte NC, remembering the glory days of being near Baltimore MD and Washington DC. Remembering G Street Fabrics when it actually was on G Street DC --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 10:31:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OFVdqk006778 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:31:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OFVcF0005267; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OFVARG090401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OFV88X023362; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OFV4k1023192 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5A9A225C for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:30:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43FF26B1.4080000@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:30:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! 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Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > > I have just received the most wonderful book from Amazon. "18th Century > Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh, (ISBN 1 86108 476 5) and am > drooling as I type. > Suzi, after you've had a look at it, could you tell us how much of the book is devoted to early 18th century work, or if it is all examples from the latter half of the century? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 11:33:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OGXAuR008185 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:33:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OGX9Ue028499; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:33:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OGWYFS001141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:32:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OGWSbe086234; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OGWH0W086021 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 63969 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 16:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 16:32:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060224163037.01d68878@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:32:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20060224145041.UOYK3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER > References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060224134405.01d67f68@127.0.0.1> <20060224145041.UOYK3108.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tambour hook/ was A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:33:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF3545.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Now I have had time to look at this beautiful book, I want to try tambour embroidery. (Not beading.) Does anyone have a source for the hooks? I have the handle part somewhere, but a source for that would probably be good too. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 12:06:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OH6Gvi009182 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:06:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OH6G42013199; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OH5gcX005805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:05:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OH4rCL015988; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OH4gFW015832 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AF24095B for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:04:41 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.150ef4 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:04:41 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD/zypcCWYiwIAAAAB,02ed7aad5b95b0edc3f6faa66c04f81b Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.133] Message-Id: <20060224090441.23B25638@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:06:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF3D08.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO After reading your post I went to Amazon and typed in the title. I got a bunch of stuff but nothing on embroidery. Then I tried Gail Marsh and got more stuff but nothing on embroidery. How did you find the book? It sounds wonderful. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Suzi Clarke wrote: From: Suzi Clarke Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! I have just received the most wonderful book from Amazon. "18th Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh, (ISBN 1 86108 476 5) and am drooling as I type. The pictures are clear, and there are diagrams. It includes silk embroidery, metal thread and spangles, whitework, quilting, tambour and chain, crewel and novelty threads,Hollie Point and knotting!! I know there will be other list members interested. I'm back to my cup of tea and the book. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 12:24:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OHOj8L009722 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OHOgK3021029; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OHNdGs008079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:23:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OHNDNC031154; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:23:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OHMsfo030806 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB4B40BE5 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.151253 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD/0DsXQOU2wIAAAAB,d53c8185f626bf92dfa112275a63c59f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:22:52 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.101.5] Message-Id: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:24:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF415A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just to add to your observations. It is cheaper to buy clothing at WalMart than it is to make it yourself. When you have to pay ten bucks for a pattern and you can buy a blouse for eight dollars guess which most people will do. At a place in time when so many people are so busy and "multi tasking" is the norm, too many people don't have the time (nor sadly, the ability) to sew. People new to SCA or Ren Faires or re-enacting are the exception. They are not going to get their garb off the rack in a discount store and most of them are not accomplished at making up their own patterns. People like Martha are a godsend to them because they can purchase a pattern that will pass inspection (to all but the really critical) and that they can understand. It takes a bit of experience to deal with some of the period patterns or to work from a charted pattern on a book page. To cut this rambling short, I just want to add my "Bravo Martha" and hope that Simplicity has sense enough to know what a gem they have! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Mia Dappert wrote: From: Mia Dappert Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:28:38 -0800 (PST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re:patterns actually, Simplicity may be really gald they have you, Martha. Read that SHOULD BE GLAD. Down here in North Carolina it seems to be the home sewing market is really dried up in the past 10 or so years. Nobody is sewing for children, Nobody is really doing sewing for themselves, There are really no fabric stores in a 100 mile radius of Charlotte beyond, Mary Jos and Hancock's, and mostly they have home deck and quilting fabric, not much in the way of people type fabric. The nearest JoAnns in 90+ miles away. There are several stores at cater to the quilting segment, and one small one that sell Upmarket/Highend fabrics. A this is an introduction to Major Patter Companies can't be selling a huge amount of home sewing patterns. Right now, all I can think of who are doing sewing are the reenactment/costume folks like us. And these are people who will go ANYWHERE, Look at everything, Buy patterns that they don't really need but collect anyway, Have projects in the planning stage for a long time. It would be interesting to know how well the patterns do in comparison to other costume patterns and general run of the mill patterns vs. home dec stuff. 18c Mia in Charlotte NC, remembering the glory days of being near Baltimore MD and Washington DC. Remembering G Street Fabrics when it actually was on G Street DC --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 12:32:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OHWKuE009917 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OHWJBY024328; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OHVdqr009119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OHTDsx036926; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OHRPHL035278 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5346 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 09:27:24 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5340, pid: 5341, t: 2.7208s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1296 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 09:27:22 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224092444.02404678@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:27:14 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! 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Status: RO I, too, could not find it at Amazon.com (the USA site), but I did a web search and found it at two UK bookshops. Here's one of them: http://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/books/index.phtml?whatfor=1861084765 Looks like it is not officially published until Monday, Feb. 27, so that may be why it's not listed in the USA Amazon site. Joan At 09:04 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >After reading your post I went to Amazon and typed in the title. I >got a bunch of stuff but nothing on embroidery. Then I tried Gail >Marsh and got more stuff but nothing on embroidery. How did you >find the book? It sounds wonderful. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > >--- Suzi Clarke wrote: > >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:53 +0000 >Subject: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! > >I have just received the most wonderful book from Amazon. "18th >Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh, (ISBN 1 86108 476 5) >and am drooling as I type. > >The pictures are clear, and there are diagrams. It includes silk >embroidery, metal thread and spangles, whitework, quilting, tambour >and chain, crewel and novelty threads,Hollie Point and knotting!! > >I know there will be other list members interested. > >I'm back to my cup of tea and the book. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 13:02:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OI2dO7010751 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:02:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OI2ciR004867; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:02:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OHumc2013800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OHuhNn065156; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OCGQug056842 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.219.12e0c9cd (3699) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:16:16 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <219.12e0c9cd.31305310@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:16:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:02:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF4A3E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/24/2006 4:12:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: "In every man there is a peacock waiting to be coaxed out with the right ensemble" Following a lengthy discussion of what a woman will be able to get her husband to wear for SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 13:04:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OI4BBA010789 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:04:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OI4AHv011466; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OI2s9H014952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:02:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OI2mrd071902; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53313.mail.yahoo.com (web53313.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OI2hL9071713 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9525 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2006 18:02:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MUQmrNNbvTUDwxwqGPiqoLCRRONA0DnrJzNlCXQcXApmAsFMzoIr4rGlDEy2bjMFaUJuJLF4G7uI4SKA/Dl5yDGg02NObMh/VikuKoTcEo878JwP8LaKtKBH3Vo+dRimird+nptc7aglZDMpUjU1XJ9sXM7XMpzmmGcbON0Qb/s= ; Message-ID: <20060224180238.9523.qmail@web53313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.78.73.147] by web53313.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:02:38 PST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:02:38 -0800 (PST) From: Carletta da Nicolosi Subject: Re: [h-cost] Redwork Question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060223125959.03631350@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:04:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF4A9A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks, Kimiko! I rarely post to this list with a question, but this really did interest me. The redwork does look like the same patterns as blackwork and I am with you, I gotta make those sleeves! Carletta ****************************** I am no expert on this field, but my understanding is that this is an example of Blackwork style of embroidery, only done in a monochrome red thread instead of black. And I intend on making those sleeves, and maybe the matching partlet as well. I just have other projects to do first, so those are in my "someday" box. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 13:28:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OISZhZ011410 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:28:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OISY1l016075; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:28:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OILnG4018964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OICAPx082500; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OHHkJi025191 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.cf.38845d76 (15699) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d5343ff3fa58d; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:17:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060224152838.26931.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060224152838.26931.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns & ramblings Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:17:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:28:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF5052.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1OISZhZ011410 Status: RO As a comment on "moden sewing": if I can buy a finished garment at Wal-Mart for LESS than I can by the cheap fabric and notions at the same Wal-Mart, why should I learn to sew? I agree about the re-enactment people. Patterns and fabric-WOW! I joined a Victorian Group that sews and "dresses up" historic sites and events by their presence. We sewed early 1900s style outfits for the "100 Years of Golf in Morris County" exhibit. In period attire, we visited the 5 County Golf Courses last summer, to advertise the Historical Society's exhibit. We were on hand to present the awards to the Ladies Golf Winners of each tournament at the 5 sites. Certainly attracted a lot of attention in our long skirts and straw boaters. We were asked the inevitable question: "Can you actually golf in that outfit? " I don't golf. Didn't stop me from making an outfit, though! I also ride sidesaddle, so I must sew my historically-inspired pieces. Along the lines of the Golf Outfits: Some of the other Ladies in my group saw how elegant the Sidesaddle Riding Habits were and said " I want to make a Riding Habit. I don't want to ride a horse, you understand. I just LOVE the habits!" Like many of you, my body type doesn't fit the standard sizes anymore. I wear sweats at home. So ... period sewing is such fun for me. I can "dress up" for serious and frivolous occasions, alike. This group also makes Cage Comforters for shelter animals from our fabric scraps. (Do a google search for more info.) We received a LARGE donation of fabric from a clothing company. We have been able to donate over 300 "comforters" to the unfortunate critters, over the past 12 months. Some of them even made their way to New Orleans for Katrina's animal victims. Our sewing machines are well used! We feel great about donating the Comforters, using our leftovers and, of course, buying more fabric and patterns! We even make little toys for the shelter animal from our scraps. Some of our members knit and/or crochet. They make Comforters and toys from yarn. Especially good for those "practice" pieces that don't quite work out well enough for Period Attire use. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Mia Dappert wrote: > actually, Simplicity may be really gald they have you, Martha. Read > that SHOULD BE GLAD. > > Down here in North Carolina it seems to be the home sewing market is > really dried up in the past 10 or so years. Nobody is sewing for > children, Nobody is really doing sewing for themselves, There are > really no fabric stores in a 100 mile radius of Charlotte beyond, Mary > Jos and Hancock's, and mostly they have home deck and quilting fabric, > not much in the way of people type fabric. The nearest JoAnns in 90+ > miles away. There are several stores at cater to the quilting segment, > and one small one that sell Upmarket/Highend fabrics. A this is an > introduction to Major Patter Companies can't be selling a huge amount > of home sewing patterns. Right now, all I can think of who are doing > sewing are the reenactment/costume folks like us. And these are > people who will go ANYWHERE, Look at everything, Buy patterns that > they don't really need but collect anyway, Have projects in the > planning stage for a long time. > > It would be interesting to know how well the patterns do in > comparison to other costume patterns and general run of the mill > patterns vs. home dec stuff. > > 18c Mia in Charlotte NC, remembering the glory days of being near > Baltimore MD and Washington DC. Remembering G Street Fabrics when it > actually was on G Street DC > > > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 13:31:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIVFGv011464 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:31:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIVEkR017327; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:31:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OIUpYR020613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OIUchp002149; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OIUCUw001497 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:30:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35627 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2006 18:29:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=suW3bAsdK27tEBnb1CLJDOvPt2byKNTD1e1ELh9CyTtpQYVW9hqOKmZiOKf1mGys856MWM1muGVfcKzbRaTss++VKcjGHrG6LFCdogT6jd3Gca2Tu5UNsmlp3QUOI4CJ9aPHQbhXGwOAvWM+QbJrkQudq+hXRsnpPbL2ihRBzM4= ; Message-ID: <20060224182950.35625.qmail@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Babylon 5 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060223134218.gsmqd8xjf38ggko4@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:31:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF50F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for the quote resource Susan. I need to work on my tailoring skills to do the Ivonava costume. A Centauri or Narn costume would be fun also, but I enjoy her attitude. (BOOM!) Angharad No boom?" "No boom." "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom, sooner or later. BOOM!" -- Garibaldi, Sinclair, and Ivanova in Babylon 5:"Grail" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 13:34:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIYBH7011562 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:34:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIYAxH018538; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:34:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OIXifs020926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OIXcK8004667; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OIXV2Y004508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-103.sonic.net [209.148.114.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1OIXP95011205 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:33:27 -0800 Message-ID: <43FF5176.3060909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:33:26 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns & ramblings References: <20060224152838.26931.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF51A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > I joined a Victorian Group that sews and "dresses up" historic sites and > events by their presence. We sewed early 1900s style outfits for the > "100 Years of Golf in Morris County" exhibit. In period attire, we > visited the 5 County Golf Courses last summer, to advertise the > Historical Society's exhibit. Is there an exhibit catalog for that? I might buy one for my mother-in-law. She lives for golf. > > I also ride sidesaddle, so I must sew my historically-inspired pieces. > Along the lines of the Golf Outfits: Some of the other Ladies in my > group saw how elegant the Sidesaddle Riding Habits were and said " I > want to make a Riding Habit. I don't want to ride a horse, you > understand. I just LOVE the habits!" Our books _The Voice of Fashion: 79 Turn-of-the-Century Patterns with Instructions and Fashion Plates_ and _The Edwardian Modiste: 85 Authentic Patterns with Instructions, Fashion Plates, and Period Sewing Techniques_ include a great many patterns for 1900-1906 and 1905-1909, respectively, including patterns for golf and riding habits. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 13:35:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIZ7Et011576 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:35:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIZ6X6018742; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:35:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OILnG2018964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OI19lX070179; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OI08BF069141 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:00:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 41229 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 17:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 17:53:27 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060224175058.01dd6888@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224092444.02404678@surewest.net> References: <20060224090441.23B25638@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060224092444.02404678@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:35:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF51DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 17:27 24/02/2006, you wrote: >I, too, could not find it at Amazon.com (the USA site), but I did a >web search and found it at two UK bookshops. Here's one of >them: http://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/books/index.phtml?whatfor=1861084765 > >Looks like it is not officially published until Monday, Feb. 27, so >that may be why it's not listed in the USA Amazon site. That's the book. I was browsing sewing related book on Amazon and it popped up, so I pre-ordered, and it turned up in the post this morning. I have only taught a corset class today - the rest of the time has been spent studying the book - well that's work ain't it? >>After reading your post I went to Amazon and typed in the title. I >>got a bunch of stuff but nothing on embroidery. Then I tried Gail >>Marsh and got more stuff but nothing on embroidery. How did you >>find the book? It sounds wonderful. >> >>Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender >> >>I have just received the most wonderful book from Amazon. "18th >>Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh, (ISBN 1 86108 476 5) >>and am drooling as I type. >> >>The pictures are clear, and there are diagrams. It includes silk >>embroidery, metal thread and spangles, whitework, quilting, tambour >>and chain, crewel and novelty threads,Hollie Point and knotting!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 13:56:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIur3T012233 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:56:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OIuqDd029714; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:56:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OIsvr1024268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OIsmdH026361; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:54:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OIscwk026205 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t14so273565wxc for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:54:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jUihh/sTVAWvwKFxoBNZR13A/lgpkttKfjqxe/ato+C+4zDYwf2wLV9FnWOX+z8G+U2NtkFJ4BPd9FP5TNmCfRS4Tkmx3btOf8PVKiiHlkxdKCJUBXRdTJzdUWjKZnxqatyQkhhNUMbnswAlA4N50x5fi3wmpx5yskm0blrDeUU= Received: by 10.70.45.19 with SMTP id s19mr2682076wxs; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.84.5 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:54:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:54:37 -0500 From: Irmgart To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband In-Reply-To: <219.12e0c9cd.31305310@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <219.12e0c9cd.31305310@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:56:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF56F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1OIur3T012233 Status: RO *Laugh* that is too true. Until we joined the SCA, my husand didn't really wear anything other than plain black jeans and tshirts, black, grey and dark green sweaters, and occasionally BDUs of various colors (mostly black, olive and olive camo). I asked him where/when he wanted his persona, and he said he didn't really care, he was in it for the fencing and the friends. I did research, decided on 1530's Landsknecht, and showed him what I wanted him to wear. Uh-uh. No way was he going to wear all that color, and poofyness. And a codpiece?!?!?! That was three years ago. His wardrobe currently contains: yellow wool slashed hosen with black puffs, red linen pants slashed to yellow, a blue linen wams slashed to chocolate brown, a bright blue wool waffenrock with red trim, a black hat with red ostrich feathers, a school bus yellow hat with black rooster feathers, and I'm going to be making a new fencing wams of weld yellow and cochineal pink. He now wants to make peoples eyes bleed. Of course, that's not really the same as being a peacock, but it's interesting. :) -Irmgart On 2/24/06, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/24/2006 4:12:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > "In every man there is a peacock waiting to be coaxed out with the right > ensemble" > > > > Following a lengthy discussion of what a woman will be able to get her > husband to wear for SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism). > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 14:08:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OJ81mi012520 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:08:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OJ81IY004006; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:08:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OJ7QDP025975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OJ75Yg037605; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OJ6mCI037324 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58251 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 19:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 19:06:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060224190259.01de6dd0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:06:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! 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Status: RO At 15:30 24/02/2006, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote: >>I have just received the most wonderful book from Amazon. "18th >>Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh, (ISBN 1 86108 476 5) >>and am drooling as I type. > >Suzi, after you've had a look at it, could you tell us how much of >the book is devoted to early 18th century work, or if it is all >examples from the latter half of the century? At a very rough count there are 25+ examples of various techniques used on garments from 1700 to "mid 18th" and a few from 1750-70, and the rest are later. There is even knotting shown in use on an apron of c.1725! (And diagrams of how to..) All the examples are in museums and collections here in G.B. (in fact I think in England.) Hope that helps. (Oh and the more I look the more I want to do.) 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Status: RO He now wants to make peoples eyes bleed. Of course, that's not really the same as being a peacock, but it's interesting. :) -Irmgart ============================= The line we use around here for our local how-brightly/garish-can-I-dress Landsknecht/Byzantine is: "Oh my god, he blinded my best horse!" Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 15:08:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OK8ZLm014880 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:08:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OK8Y7c032023; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:08:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OJqDXq031878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OJ5tr9036514; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OJ5ook036440 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:05:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FCiGD06yw-0004FZ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:05:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00ab01c63975$53ba4130$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:05:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Standardization of Men & Women's Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:08:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF67C2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1OK8ZLm014880 Status: RO Our latest additions to our Library are data charts and graphs of the comparisons of the U.S. womenswear and menswear fashion industries from 1849-1925, http://www.costumegallery.com/1928/Economics/charts/menwomencomp.htm The first chart is the amount of menwear and womenswear clothing establishments that existed during the given times. The second chart shows many people were employed in the men and women's industries. Please don't confuse this with how many men or women that were working in the entire industries. The accounting was recorded by how many people worked in the menswear industry, AND how many worked in the womenwear industry. I will be adding several of these graphs and charts to add to our Library. I have temporarily placed this webpage in the free access area. Next Friday, it will be moved to the subscription only area of the Library. The graphs are large, so you might need to scroll sideways to view its entirety. I am sorry for the size being so large, but it was needed to include the data charts. If you print this webpage, I suggest that you print in landscape setting and do a "print preview" first. My source for this information is the book, Economics of Fashion. The book is well written and thoroughly researched. This book is the first one I have seen goes into so much details about the business history of the industry. In my daily Library newsletter, I am sending our subcribers excerpts of the chapter about the standardization of the fashion industry. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 15:15:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKFbPQ015071 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:15:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKFbEA002447; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:15:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OKBIDb035425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKB5hK097235; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKB0Vd097151 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FCjHH-0000p0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:10:59 -0500 Message-ID: <14412587.1140811859209.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:10:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tambour hook/ was A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! 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Status: RO Try Lacis: http://www.lacis.com/catalog/search.php. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Suzi Clarke >Sent: Feb 24, 2006 11:32 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Tambour hook/ was A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! > > >Now I have had time to look at this beautiful book, I want to try >tambour embroidery. (Not beading.) Does anyone have a source for the >hooks? I have the handle part somewhere, but a source for that would >probably be good too. > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 15:27:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKRQgX015546 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:27:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKRP0U007704; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OKR5Db039064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKR1Bu014291; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:27:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKQutb014200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-103.sonic.net [209.148.114.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1OKQqUW015504 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:26:54 -0800 Message-ID: <43FF6C0D.1090300@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:26:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns References: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:27:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF6C2D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What I'm interested in knowing, is how Simplicity chooses patterns--aside from market surveys, don't they do those?--and the people who design them. Is it all freelance? I know someone via the net--or used to, she's not posting any more--who had a small line of reenactment patterns. She approached Simplicity with an idea for a pattern she thought would work well in their historic line. Simplicity told her to work it out and submit it to them on a freelance basis. I don't know what happened with her idea. But is that how all Simplicity's historic patterns are designed, by freelancers? I hate to say this but, the market for general sewing still seems to be much larger than the market for reenactment sewing. Yes, reenactors have to make their own clothes far more than most people. Yes, most women have jobs outside the home that limit their time for sewing. But there are still a lot more mainstream sewers than reenactors. Notice Simplicity hedged their bets on that bustle dress by marketing it as a wedding dress--many people get married, some more than once. Sewing is a hobby these days, not a need, for most people. Many people who could buy an $8 blouse at Wal-Mart, just want something much better quality and more stylish--and they enjoy sewing. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Lalah wrote: > Just to add to your observations. It is cheaper to buy clothing at WalMart than it is to make it yourself. When you have to pay ten bucks for a pattern and you can buy a blouse for eight dollars guess which most people will do. At a place in time when so many people are so busy and "multi tasking" is the norm, too many people don't have the time (nor sadly, the ability) to sew. > > People new to SCA or Ren Faires or re-enacting are the exception. They are not going to get their garb off the rack in a discount store and most of them are not accomplished at making up their own patterns. People like Martha are a godsend to them because they can purchase a pattern that will pass inspection (to all but the really critical) and that they can understand. It takes a bit of experience to deal with some of the period patterns or to work from a charted pattern on a book page. > > To cut this rambling short, I just want to add my "Bravo Martha" and hope that Simplicity has sense enough to know what a gem they have! > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 15:34:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKYRmH016028 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:34:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKYQWi011041; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:34:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OKY47u039815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKXsTe020857; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKXnUn020783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-103.sonic.net [209.148.114.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1OKXldU017277 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:33:48 -0800 Message-ID: <43FF6DAC.1030404@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:33:48 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! References: <20060224090441.23B25638@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060224092444.02404678@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060224175058.01dd6888@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060224175058.01dd6888@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:34:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF6DD2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just ordered a copy from Advanced Book Exchange--www.abebooks.com. Publication dates are marketing dates, they have little to do with when a book rolls off the press. As for Amazon, they post data when they happen to feel like it. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:27 24/02/2006, you wrote: > >> I, too, could not find it at Amazon.com (the USA site), but I did a >> web search and found it at two UK bookshops. Here's one of them: >> http://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/books/index.phtml?whatfor=1861084765 >> >> Looks like it is not officially published until Monday, Feb. 27, so >> that may be why it's not listed in the USA Amazon site. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 15:36:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKaesp016167 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:36:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKadt6011932; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OKYeP3039919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKYdZe021483; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKYVbK021281 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.166] (pm5-166.eos.net [205.133.149.166]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1OKYEmH012243 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:34:20 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:21:38 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602240911.k1O9BZXR018288@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 185 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:36:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF6E57.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Janet wrote: > While my S.O. was wearing knee length t-tunics before I ever met him, he won't > wear hose on a bet. However, weight gain plus an unwillingness to buy new > clothes made me realize that, as long as his footwear covers the ankle, > sweatpants in a size or two too small make a good substitute. They definitely > look better than modern dance tights and most sweat pants stretch enough that > they're not uncomfortable. Of course, the shopper has to be vigilant to avoid > stripes and logos and strange looking fabrics but a man won't see anything > unusual about wearing sweatpants, even if they do cling to legs and butt. My husband is a knight in the SCA, and has a kingdom award for authenticity. But one of his "tricks" is the special fighting hose he makes. He takes a pair of sweatpants and cuts off the legs at about mid-thigh level. Then he makes hosen out of bias-cut sweatpant-type material. He made the pattern for these himself, basing them on hose patterns and fitting them to his legs. He cuts the top of the hose legs so that they come to a point on the front of his thighs, and then he sews these to the sweatpant tops. They look like hose over colored breeches (white gets too dirty), but they fit like sweatpants and are much easier to make than wool hose. They even look good with a shirt or tunic. Just an idea for y'all! Oh -- yes, these are footed. Not that difficult to do, and then they are tight under boots or shoes. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 15:48:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKmswB017055 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:48:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKmpPx016499; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OKmYY7042182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKmSwt035901; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKmMtm035778 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6519D4046F for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:48:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43f782a0.50888 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:48:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD/3EWNfsQNAIAAAAB,f9b40c58567924fd387ef84078818bd2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:48:21 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.9] Message-Id: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:48:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF7133.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree that many people prefer quality clothing, but far too many do not. I made a living as a seamstress for several years before retiring and most of my work was home dec or alterations (I HATE alterations). I have taught several people to sew, but they don't seem to ever have time to do it. And at the weekly auction I attend sewing machines (good ones) go for almost nothing. I learned to sew as a child and most of my clothes have always been made by my mother (when I was young) or by myself. But I am 5'9" and 71 years old. Until girls started growing taller these last few years, I couldn't get anything that came close to fitting in the stores. Anyhow, I am glad there are people designing patterns for period garb that most people who sew at all can use. I usually just make my patterns up as I go along or sort of copy them from Janet Arnold or something. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Lavolta Press wrote: From: Lavolta Press Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:26:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns What I'm interested in knowing, is how Simplicity chooses patterns--aside from market surveys, don't they do those?--and the people who design them. Is it all freelance? I know someone via the net--or used to, she's not posting any more--who had a small line of reenactment patterns. She approached Simplicity with an idea for a pattern she thought would work well in their historic line. Simplicity told her to work it out and submit it to them on a freelance basis. I don't know what happened with her idea. But is that how all Simplicity's historic patterns are designed, by freelancers? I hate to say this but, the market for general sewing still seems to be much larger than the market for reenactment sewing. Yes, reenactors have to make their own clothes far more than most people. Yes, most women have jobs outside the home that limit their time for sewing. But there are still a lot more mainstream sewers than reenactors. Notice Simplicity hedged their bets on that bustle dress by marketing it as a wedding dress--many people get married, some more than once. Sewing is a hobby these days, not a need, for most people. Many people who could buy an $8 blouse at Wal-Mart, just want something much better quality and more stylish--and they enjoy sewing. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Lalah wrote: > Just to add to your observations. It is cheaper to buy clothing at WalMart than it is to make it yourself. When you have to pay ten bucks for a pattern and you can buy a blouse for eight dollars guess which most people will do. At a place in time when so many people are so busy and "multi tasking" is the norm, too many people don't have the time (nor sadly, the ability) to sew. > > People new to SCA or Ren Faires or re-enacting are the exception. They are not going to get their garb off the rack in a discount store and most of them are not accomplished at making up their own patterns. People like Martha are a godsend to them because they can purchase a pattern that will pass inspection (to all but the really critical) and that they can understand. It takes a bit of experience to deal with some of the period patterns or to work from a charted pattern on a book page. > > To cut this rambling short, I just want to add my "Bravo Martha" and hope that Simplicity has sense enough to know what a gem they have! > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 15:49:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKnR04017122 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:49:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OKnQ7W022282; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:49:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OKnEDC042274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKnAoW036580; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OKmwbH036402 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:49:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:45:47 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:patterns Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:49:00 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <000c01c63983$bd384b80$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Thread-Index: AcY5flFXKGAXdAIyR129yUYOXq2x4AABNkEg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 20:45:47.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A10C5B0:01C63983] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:49:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF7157.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yeah, but the 8$ blouse from W-M only lasts a couple of months of wash/wear for me, while any clothing/garb I have made myself- admittedly not the best ever created- is still going strong several years later. Some has needed mending or adjustments, but because I put it together(without any serging) I know how to fix it too, so the "cost per wear" is much better. Just my .02 lira, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lalah Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:23 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns Just to add to your observations. It is cheaper to buy clothing at WalMart than it is to make it yourself. When you have to pay ten bucks for a pattern and you can buy a blouse for eight dollars guess which most people will do. At a place in time when so many people are so busy and "multi tasking" is the norm, too many people don't have the time (nor sadly, the ability) to sew. People new to SCA or Ren Faires or re-enacting are the exception. They are not going to get their garb off the rack in a discount store and most of them are not accomplished at making up their own patterns. People like Martha are a godsend to them because they can purchase a pattern that will pass inspection (to all but the really critical) and that they can understand. It takes a bit of experience to deal with some of the period patterns or to work from a charted pattern on a book page. To cut this rambling short, I just want to add my "Bravo Martha" and hope that Simplicity has sense enough to know what a gem they have! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Mia Dappert wrote: From: Mia Dappert Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:28:38 -0800 (PST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re:patterns actually, Simplicity may be really gald they have you, Martha. Read that SHOULD BE GLAD. Down here in North Carolina it seems to be the home sewing market is really dried up in the past 10 or so years. Nobody is sewing for children, Nobody is really doing sewing for themselves, There are really no fabric stores in a 100 mile radius of Charlotte beyond, Mary Jos and Hancock's, and mostly they have home deck and quilting fabric, not much in the way of people type fabric. The nearest JoAnns in 90+ miles away. There are several stores at cater to the quilting segment, and one small one that sell Upmarket/Highend fabrics. A this is an introduction to Major Patter Companies can't be selling a huge amount of home sewing patterns. Right now, all I can think of who are doing sewing are the reenactment/costume folks like us. And these are people who will go ANYWHERE, Look at everything, Buy patterns that they don't really need but collect anyway, Have projects in the planning stage for a long time. It would be interesting to know how well the patterns do in comparison to other costume patterns and general run of the mill patterns vs. home dec stuff. 18c Mia in Charlotte NC, remembering the glory days of being near Baltimore MD and Washington DC. Remembering G Street Fabrics when it actually was on G Street DC --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 16:00:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OL0oMd018434 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:00:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OL0njA021391; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:00:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OL0MGR044265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OL0Ki9046804; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OL0C0t046676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:00:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-103.sonic.net [209.148.114.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1OL0915002466 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:00:11 -0800 Message-ID: <43FF73DB.8080000@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:00:11 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:00:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF7401.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My point was that most people who sew don't do it because they _have_ to. Even some who are unusual sizes. (I'm 4'9" tall, and I don't have to sew modern clothes, except for hemming a lot of them, if I don't want to.) People sew because they enjoy it. Yes, we've certainly passed the days when almost every woman who wasn't working in a factory 16 hours a day did home sewing. But then, some of them found it a pretty dreary duty. It's much nicer for people to be sewing for fun, enjoying their fancy sewing machines, their emboidery machines, their 4-color sewing magazines, and their huge fabric stashes. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Lalah wrote: > I agree that many people prefer quality clothing, but far too many do not. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 16:10:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLA3I7018861 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:10:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLA2fF024707; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:10:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OL9V31045669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OL9QWE054888; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OL9AhW054584 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:09:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.a3.586f7d2 (16099) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee343ff75e93d2; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:08:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <43FF73DB.8080000@lavoltapress.com> References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <43FF73DB.8080000@lavoltapress.com> Message-Id: <731181c1512bbd9a58d0deb2c1149002@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:08:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:10:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF762A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AMEN ! Love those fabric stashes! So nice to be able to afford fabric just for fun and the time to appreciate it. Susan "The universe is not to be narrowed down to the limits of our understanding...but our understanding must be stretched and enlarged to take in the image of the universe as it is discovered. " Francis Bacon On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > My point was that most people who sew don't do it because they _have_ > to. Even some who are unusual sizes. (I'm 4'9" tall, and I don't have > to sew modern clothes, except for hemming a lot of them, if I don't > want to.) People sew because they enjoy it. Yes, we've certainly > passed the days when almost every woman who wasn't working in a > factory 16 hours a day did home sewing. But then, some of them found > it a pretty dreary duty. It's much nicer for people to be sewing for > fun, enjoying their fancy sewing machines, their emboidery machines, > their 4-color sewing magazines, and their huge fabric stashes. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Lalah wrote: > >> I agree that many people prefer quality clothing, but far too many do >> not. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 16:15:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLFGk2019108 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:15:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLFFlP026922; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OL9fx8045707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OL9Z16055083; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OL9SIv054933 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 7204 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 13:09:28 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 7172, pid: 7178, t: 3.8766s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1296 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 13:09:24 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224130649.024d03b8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:09:16 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Plates from "The Image of Ireland", 1581 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:15:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF7763.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This set of plates is a contemporary look at Irish costume (looks like males only, in battle scenes). http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/ireland.html Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 16:18:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLIDoZ019298 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:18:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLICOi028115; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OLGms7047209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLGkdo061370; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLGerl061311 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (c-69-140-8-214.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1737306A for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:16:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224092444.02404678@surewest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY5aIbxqqfFM0ncTrSCejaG23FjGwAHnotA Message-Id: <20060224211640.4B1737306A@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF7814.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I ordered that book when Bjarne first mentioned it in December. It is available from Amazon.co.uk, and a link is pasted below. If the link doesn't work, go to www.amazon.co.uk and search for Gail Marsh books. It is published by the Guild of Master Craftsman Publications Ltd, so I imagine it might not be available at Amazon in the US. I went to the Guild's web page and they have many, many wonderful books there. I got an email that mine shipped from the UK on Wednesday, hopefully it will be here next week sometime. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861084765/qid=1140815515/sr=1-1/re f=sr_1_0_1/026-1856084-3479602 -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 16:21:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLLSP6019545 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:21:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLLRe5029564; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:21:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OLJVgq048104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLJQv0063600; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:19:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1OLJEad063428 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 2047 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 13:19:13 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2026, pid: 2027, t: 3.9233s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1296 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 13:19:09 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224131559.02504528@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:19:01 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Scottish costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:21:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF78D7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here are two pages from Scottish metrical psalter books from the 16th century. http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0010_JPG.htm http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0011_JPG.htm Again, only males :-( , but something is better than nothing, I guess. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 16:32:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLWjWk020181 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:32:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLWiJx001263; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:32:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OLWDxq051070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLWAra075164; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLW5b4074939 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB4A0294; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:31:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Feb 2006 16:31:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c6398a$0717ace0$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <14412587.1140811859209.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tambour hook/ was A book for Bjarne, and other 18thcentury embroiderers!! 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Status: RO Hedgehog Handiworks also carries them. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tambour hook/ was A book for Bjarne, and other 18thcentury embroiderers!! > Try Lacis: http://www.lacis.com/catalog/search.php. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Sent: Feb 24, 2006 11:32 AM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: [h-cost] Tambour hook/ was A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! > > > > > >Now I have had time to look at this beautiful book, I want to try > >tambour embroidery. (Not beading.) Does anyone have a source for the > >hooks? I have the handle part somewhere, but a source for that would > >probably be good too. > > > >Suzi > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 16:55:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLtXTI022037 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:55:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OLtWcP009569; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OLs2SB055053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLrxr9096609; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLrrlL096495 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1534536A1A for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:53:52 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Babylon 5 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:53:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:55:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF80D4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I actually met the man once at a con. Wonderful person. Sad to hear he's gone. De -----Original Message----- I got to see one of the G'Kar costumes at the Seattle Science Fiction Museum last weekend. The costume is almost all created out of hot glue and bits and pieces. I was so bummed to hear that Andreas Katsulas passed away from inoperable lung cancer on 13 February. "loved smoking with a passion that cannot be described", was diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer; he passed away a year later, in Los Angeles, California. He was 59. He is survived by his wife and two children. The day after his death, his Babylon 5 co-star Jerry Doyle devoted much of his daily radio talk show to Katsulas, sharing stories of their days working together on Babylon 5. Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 17:20:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OMK4hC025575 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:20:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OMK3c3017828; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OMJd8s059045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OMJZ5H021668; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OMJPRa021480 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06312 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:51:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:51:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Babylon 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:20:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF8694.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, otsisto wrote: > I actually met the man once at a con. Wonderful person. Sad to hear > he's gone. I had met him also. He had a tremendous presence, and I was very saddened to hear of his death. He grew up here in St. Louis, and his family was part of the local Greek Orthodox community (of which my husband is a member). The funeral was here, in fact, but very quiet; in the newspaper listing he was named only as "Andrew Katsulas," and there was no obituary article. Yet one more reason I am a merciless nag to my friends who smoke. I have seen too many people die of preventable lung cancer. No costume content here, alas, unless I point out that cigarettes do very nasty things to fabric (one more good reason to quit!). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 17:53:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OMreCM031817 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OMrd8X029409; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OMpV69063337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OMpRrT050450; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OMpKnm050343 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.160] (pm5-160.eos.net [205.133.149.160]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1OMpImH026295 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:51:18 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:38:40 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602241730.k1OHSoMv036592@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: home sewing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF8E73.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It may be cheaper to buy clothes at Walmart than it is to make them, but not everyone shops at Walmart. Political discussions aside -- there are plenty of other places to buy clothes, and some of them cost big bucks. You can make a Vogue garment for a lot less than it costs to buy some clothes, or for the same price but in exactly the fabric you want. That said, I don't sew my clothes. Who has the time??? But last weekend I made my family flannel pajama pants ("lounge pants"). These truly are a garment you can buy cheaper than you can sew, but our Joanne's is going out of business (wah!) and all the flannel was 60% off. No buys on good fabric -- this Joanne's rarely had any to begin with. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 17:53:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OMrpxK031855 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OMrouN014130; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OMrXki063634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OMrV40052413; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLjlrw088364 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1OLhtOn005270 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:45:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602242117.k1OLGlte061378@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How Simplicity chooses patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF8E7E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns What I'm interested in knowing, is how Simplicity chooses patterns--aside from market surveys, don't they do those?--and the people who design them. Is it all freelance? I know someone via the net--or used to, she's not posting any more--who had a small line of reenactment patterns. She approached Simplicity with an idea for a pattern she thought would work well in their historic line. Simplicity told her to work it out and submit it to them on a freelance basis. I don't know what happened with her idea. But is that how all Simplicity's historic patterns are designed, by freelancers? I can answer this in any depth you like. Not only do I design for Simplicity, last summer Andrea Schewe and I gave a slide talk at Costume College on the inner workings at Simplicity. We interviewed everybody from the sketch artists to the man in the mailroom and took photographs of them at work. The fashion designs for Simplicity are done in house. There are drapers and seamstresses right there. The craft, home dec, and costume designs are done by freelancers (read No Benefits.) We get royalties only. Some of us are in New York and schlep sketches and muslin mocks-ups over to the design office to pitch an idea. Some people are elsewhere in the country and mail things in. They choose designs (and decide whether to keep them in the catalogue) based on sales. Your design has to sell enough copies to "hold its place in the drawer" at JoAnn's or Wall Mart. They tend to work with people they know because it's very exacting - even for the Halloween costumes with the zipper up the back. If you want to know more, just ask. I might have an answer. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 18:05:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ON5tRf001546 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:05:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ON5so5001291; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:05:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OMtH59063877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OMtEjl053794; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1OLqXQJ095318 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777635CDF2 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224134424.0363ef98@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:45:14 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Babylon 5 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:05:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF9152.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:03 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >I saw that we had lost Andreas last week, hits home right now as my >father just had surgery for lung cancer (caught unbelievable early, >excellent prognosis). There will never be another G'Kar. > >Catherine Oh, thank goodness Catherine for your father. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 18:18:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONIs3D003093 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:18:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONIrlo005178; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ONG7aT066428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONG6Nr072375; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONG2XK072305 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA733B19C for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:16:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224145429.03688798@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:03:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: References: <20060223215529.52iava1yxghwocko@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT Smoking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:18:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF945D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:13 PM 2/23/2006, you wrote: >My father passed away after fighting emphysema for about 7 years. It was a >mercy because he was bright and alert right up until the end. He just was >slowly drowning because of 45-50 years of smoking. Every time I see someone >light up I want to beat them! It's not that the death is so bad - it's the >dying. Way too often it is long and agonizing for everyone involved! > >Wanda I agree with you Wanda. My husband wants to have a commercial of a young person lighting up, saying "it's my choice, if I die, it will only affect me." Then show that person grow older, and how as they go through life; falling in love, getting married, having kids, then young grandkids. A progression until they die relatively early in life of cancer or other smoking related illness and show the grief of those they leave behind. The idea is to show how smoking affects their whole family, not just their personal bodies. I know we all die sometime of something. But I know in my Mom's case, she was in excellent health otherwise. No history of anything, ate right, exercised, everything good she could do, except she smoked from the age of 16 till she died a couple of months past her 73rd birthday, with only a few years where she had quit. She was given smokes from an American military man sometime after the bombing in Japan. As a Japanese woman, she had a life expectancy of her 80s or higher. She left knowing she wouldn't see her the grand daughter she had waited her whole life to hold. But thankfully, she is no longer in the intense pain she had from the cancer, which had spread to her bones in her spine and beyond. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 18:26:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONQkJW004502 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:26:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONQjkT007447; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:26:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ONG7sk066427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONG5Jh072365; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONG23c072298 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A03AE9E for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:16:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224141221.03688cb8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:15:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Babylon 5 In-Reply-To: <20060223215529.52iava1yxghwocko@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060223215529.52iava1yxghwocko@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:26:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF9635.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 07:55 PM 2/23/2006, you wrote: >Oh, man; I *hate* that. Small cell lung cancer is a truely ugly >disease. The *two* year survival rate is *20%* > >Susan, whose beloved Mother-in-law lived 13 months with small cell. >----- >Susan Farmer I understand. My mom had squamous(sp?) cell and lived 12 months after diagnosis (died last May 1st), sixteen months from the time her pains started. My beloved father in law, who treated me as his own daughter, also died of cancer in just a month after diagnosis, although we know he was sick for months before. He passed on a year before my Mom in February. I hates Cancer, I do! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 18:27:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONRRtU004614 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:27:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONRQjW019830; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:27:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ONGMPB066477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONGLiP072587; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONG3jT072318 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06DCAEAC for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:16:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224150719.03688508@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:10:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns In-Reply-To: <43FF6C0D.1090300@lavoltapress.com> References: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <43FF6C0D.1090300@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:27:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF965E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:26 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > Many people who could buy an $8 blouse at Wal-Mart, just want something > much better quality and more stylish--and they enjoy sewing. > >Fran I agree Fran. I hate buying clothes at Wal-Mart, and no longer support the store. I bought some pants and a blouse there once, and they fell apart after only a few months of basic use. Pathetic. It's bad enough I can't find anything to fit me as a plus sized person, but I would expect clothes to last longer than a few months. But that's what we've become, a throw-away society. Companies expect us to buy something and throw it away after a short period of time, and that's sad. Thankfully, I learned how to sew from my Mom long ago, and I've gotten to sewing more and more of my regular clothes, not just for fun, but because I want something that will fit all of me, and last longer. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 18:39:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONdD4e006595 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:39:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONdC3X011029; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:39:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ONcdC5069016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONccGh091155; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:38:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONcZxe091036 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:38:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:38:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns/bravo Martha Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:38:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 23:38:29.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AB0E5D0:01C6399B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:39:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF9920.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Martha is a god send, to even the most critical. We tried her patterns while at the Citadel, just to see how they worked out...a little experimentation in the off season. They were wonderful to work with and the attention to detail was spot on! I recommend them to a lot of folks, can't wait to see what's next! Kelly > People like Martha are a godsend to them because >they can purchase a pattern that will pass inspection (to >all but the really critical) and that they can understand. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 18:46:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONk6Qj007818 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:46:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ONk59X012998; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:46:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ONjWFq070085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:45:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONjVhu097176; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ONjTKZ097149 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mandy.oldroyd@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so438247nzn for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:45:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=C0SgFJyM0C6P5vXVDwAoZPRZkAUcAwr5VD/LSx5d+6dLwKTt1ziJYNfLHuToSzzojDwCoWUTxpDBJtlKkm7ySLhz0CiZeCG+kSWsgbNtnpF7yGrSkS1dtUuACPWS+z/su6KIRMTroqxXpSBCSQ0VoSyhGLaLc8pbju8zLlSGgbg= Received: by 10.37.12.21 with SMTP id p21mr2312073nzi; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.20.29 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:45:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:45:28 +0000 From: "Mandy Oldroyd" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Simplicity chooses patterns In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200602242117.k1OLGlte061378@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:46:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF9ABD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1ONk6Qj007818 Status: RO OK out of lurkdom for me As an experienced sewer but relative novice at historical stuff I would love to hear ALL the gossip on how Simplicity works. As a slight aside I literally just (last Friday)bought 5724 to make for my 14 yr old to wear to a fantasy ball in the summer, (I haven't decided on my outfit yet) It won't end up being period accurate but more inspired by... so it's very cool to know the person who designed it is here. Thank you. Mandy in the UK www.mandyoldroyd.com www.theoldroyds.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 19:08:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P08Jq1011338 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:08:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P08Ine019403; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P07tfw072704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P07sYb015710; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P07oZP015665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-251.sonic.net [209.148.113.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1P07lLk022967 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:07:49 -0800 Message-ID: <43FF9FD5.8080602@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:07:49 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Simplicity chooses patterns References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:08:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FF9FF2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I can answer this in any depth you like. Not only do I design for > Simplicity, last summer Andrea Schewe and I gave a slide talk at Costume > College on the inner workings at Simplicity. Have you ever thought of writing an article on this for _Sew News_ or _Threads_? Or maybe you already have, I don't subscribe to either any more (got tired of these magazines publishing mostly beginner articles). The craft, home dec, and costume designs are done > by freelancers (read No Benefits.) We get royalties only. Some of us are in > New York and schlep sketches and muslin mocks-ups over to the design office > to pitch an idea. Some people are elsewhere in the country and mail things > in. Are they fairly open to acquiring new freelance designers? > They choose designs (and decide whether to keep them in the catalogue) based > on sales. I've heard that, yeah. Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 19:21:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P0LC2b013518 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:21:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P0LB2A024097; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P0Kf6U074180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P0Ke4l025842; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P0KbPm025803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-251.sonic.net [209.148.113.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1P0KYWa026535 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:20:36 -0800 Message-ID: <43FFA2D4.3080200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:20:36 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns References: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <43FF6C0D.1090300@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060224150719.03688508@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224150719.03688508@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:21:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFA2F7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > But that's what we've become, a throw-away society. Companies expect us > to buy something and throw it away after a short period of time, and > that's sad. Well, that's what some (not all) manufacturers _want_. I'm not sure all buyers are happy about it. It really depends. Some designer clothing just caters to the desire to have something "different" without being better quality. Like rib T-shirts or tank tops or camisoles or henleys with a little lace sewn on here and there. Anyone can dye a cotton knit shirt from Dharma and add interesting trims, cheaper. (I've been doing a lot of that.) But some designer clothes are really well made. I've got Ralph Lauren wool jackets you can throw on the floor and walk on them (which I do, being a slob), and they not only don't wrinkle, they last for years. > > Thankfully, I learned how to sew from my Mom long ago, and I've gotten > to sewing more and more of my regular clothes, not just for fun, but > because I want something that will fit all of me, and last longer. > If anyone wants some fabric with hand embroidery and hand crochet cheap, to make into this season's eyelet type clothing looks, the eBay seller china-usa has great tablecloths. I machine dyed one of their tablecloths to make into a skirt. Came out great, took the dye well, and the embroidery and crochet stayed rock solid through all that agitation. So I just bought two more--$9 apiece including napkins, and all hand work. I haven't tried dyeing any of their all crochet pieces yet, but I'm thinking about it. They have great Edwardian look hand-crocheted collars at $12 apiece. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 19:30:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P0UWiG015016 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:30:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P0UVuV026991; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:30:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P0U8Li075060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:30:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P0U4qV032971; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P0Tvmf032867 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7F751B96 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:29:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224151228.036416e8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:13:43 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Babylon 5 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:30:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFA527.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:51 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >The funeral was here, in fact, but very quiet; in the newspaper >listing he was named only as "Andrew Katsulas," and there was no obituary >article. I met him at a con as well, and was told he was a very private person, which is why he didn't give out autographs like the rest of the cast did. That may also explain why I didn't see much on regular printed newspapers or on TV about his passing. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 19:37:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P0bV7R015272 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:37:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P0bUem028989; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P0W3Vj075366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P0W2HX034473; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P0Vvjb034414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-227-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.227]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1P0Vt5h002625 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:31:56 +1100 Message-ID: <005e01c639a2$e16c3c90$e3d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <43FF6C0D.1090300@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:31:54 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:37:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFA6CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Notice > Simplicity hedged their bets on that bustle dress by marketing it as a > wedding dress--many people get married, some more than once. > > Sewing is a hobby these days, not a need, for most people. Many people > who could buy an $8 blouse at Wal-Mart, just want something much better > quality and more stylish--and they enjoy sewing. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns > http://www.lavoltapress.com Marketing patterns to brides is something you see from several of their historical patterns, if you look in the printed catalogue at the fabric shop you'll notice that if the dress in the photo is not already white they often have an artist's sketch of it in white with a veil. The ones I particularly remember are the 'Shakespeare in love' gown and Martha's two day dresses with pagoda sleeves. Because a wedding dress is the garment a woman is most likely to have custom made and be willing to spend a lot of money on it makes sense that a pattern company would try to get as big a share of that market as possible. In reality I wouldn't be surprised if the historical themed weddings was a bigger market than re-enactors. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 20:08:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P18Lls016953 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:08:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P18KEo005399; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:08:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P181po080157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P17xi8063130; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:08:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P17ud5063041 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.23]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060225010749.DNOK23780.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:07:49 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:05:24 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:08:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFAE04.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. You can see the Costume books (103 titles) at: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=costume&view=Castlegrounds Textiles (113 titles) at: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=textiles&view=Castlegrounds Archaeology (108 titles) at: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=archaeology&view=Castlegrounds I only have a little over 400 books listed so far... still lots to go. Anyone else doing this? Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 20:23:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P1N8Aa017741 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:23:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P1N84f009680; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:23:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P1Mqwg082019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P1MpVH073575; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:22:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P1Mlcq073463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P35XDo014337 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:05:33 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] books Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:27:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602242027.15250.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFB17C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Friday 24 February 2006 8:05 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. [snipping URLs] > I only have a little over 400 books listed so far... still lots to go. > > Anyone else doing this? Using what for time? When I retire, maybe. Ooooh, I made the mistake of looking at your list. You have NESATs 2 and 4. Envy, drool! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 20:25:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P1P1bH017775 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:25:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P1P0C0004837; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:25:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P1OflJ082159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P1Of3U074862; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1P1OcVg074838 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:24:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 11596 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 17:24:38 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 11588, pid: 11589, t: 0.6744s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1296 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 17:24:37 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224172310.0244c080@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:25:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFB1EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:05 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. > >You can see the Costume books (103 titles) at: >http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=costume&view=Castlegrounds > >Textiles (113 titles) at: >http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=textiles&view=Castlegrounds > >Archaeology (108 titles) at: >http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=archaeology&view=Castlegrounds > >I only have a little over 400 books listed so far... still lots to go. > >Anyone else doing this? > >Beth Matney Not yet. I've been telling myself for years that I need to do something like this. But I'll definitely need a lifetime membership :-D. Thanks for sharing the site. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 20:32:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P1Wdab017882 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:32:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P1WcEe012409; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:32:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P1RFTL082334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P1RD1T076481; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P1Qw6m076286 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o25so370287nfa for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:26:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QUTPssyK3485AAvLn9txleP6xgW9eGE6GLVMg3bDpavclTu18TkcHsXlbNXT+v3JqaPgcrLZLlDIXmgptugB6GaUdyAuFaXG+VqsCu/4hg+yfSHJOVfc/sakoCnfUX/jy4VYpAA4+bvcl5dTnWrCRi4g4zoxx8UCC+dMs4bd7Ds= Received: by 10.49.21.16 with SMTP id y16mr2960288nfi; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.15.14 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:26:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7164eae90602241726u7344d6fap9169a5f2402b72d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:26:56 -0500 From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <200602242027.15250.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> <200602242027.15250.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:32:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFB3B6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1P1Wdab017882 Status: RO I have a librarything account (Jaie) I've only so far gotten my paperbacks up there but so far so good. I'm going to get a paid account here pretty soon. Bice On 2/24/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Friday 24 February 2006 8:05 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. > [snipping URLs] > > > I only have a little over 400 books listed so far... still lots to go. > > > > Anyone else doing this? > > Using what for time? When I retire, maybe. > > Ooooh, I made the mistake of looking at your list. You have NESATs 2 and > 4. > Envy, drool! > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 21:13:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P2D5Zc019076 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:13:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P2D4ga026153; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:13:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P2CRBo086567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P2CP77008802; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P2CLnc008760 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:12:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.59.130.65 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:12:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.59.130.65] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:12:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:12:16 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 02:12:21.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[E90F28F0:01C639B0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:13:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFBD30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1P2D5Zc019076 Status: RO And then there's the strange folks like me--I'll buy the cheap modern clothes so I can spend my limited "leisure" time doing what I love--historical sewing. I don't get any emotional "charge" out of running up a modern blouse on the serger, but lots of fulfillment in doing fussy work on a period project. My time is limited and so are my resources, so I like to spend both judiciously. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns I agree that many people prefer quality clothing, but far too many do not. I made a living as a seamstress for several years before retiring and most of my work was home dec or alterations (I HATE alterations). I have taught several people to sew, but they don't seem to ever have time to do it. And at the weekly auction I attend sewing machines (good ones) go for almost nothing. I learned to sew as a child and most of my clothes have always been made by my mother (when I was young) or by myself. But I am 5'9" and 71 years old. Until girls started growing taller these last few years, I couldn't get anything that came close to fitting in the stores. Anyhow, I am glad there are people designing patterns for period garb that most people who sew at all can use. I usually just make my patterns up as I go along or sort of copy them from Janet Arnold or something. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Lavolta Press > wrote: From: Lavolta Press > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:26:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns What I'm interested in knowing, is how Simplicity chooses patterns--aside from market surveys, don't they do those?--and the people who design them. Is it all freelance? I know someone via the net--or used to, she's not posting any more--who had a small line of reenactment patterns. She approached Simplicity with an idea for a pattern she thought would work well in their historic line. Simplicity told her to work it out and submit it to them on a freelance basis. I don't know what happened with her idea. But is that how all Simplicity's historic patterns are designed, by freelancers? I hate to say this but, the market for general sewing still seems to be much larger than the market for reenactment sewing. Yes, reenactors have to make their own clothes far more than most people. Yes, most women have jobs outside the home that limit their time for sewing. But there are still a lot more mainstream sewers than reenactors. Notice Simplicity hedged their bets on that bustle dress by marketing it as a wedding dress--many people get married, some more than once. Sewing is a hobby these days, not a need, for most people. Many people who could buy an $8 blouse at Wal-Mart, just want something much better quality and more stylish--and they enjoy sewing. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Lalah wrote: > Just to add to your observations. It is cheaper to buy clothing at WalMart than it is to make it yourself. When you have to pay ten bucks for a pattern and you can buy a blouse for eight dollars guess which most people will do. At a place in time when so many people are so busy and "multi tasking" is the norm, too many people don't have the time (nor sadly, the ability) to sew. > > People new to SCA or Ren Faires or re-enacting are the exception. They are not going to get their garb off the rack in a discount store and most of them are not accomplished at making up their own patterns. People like Martha are a godsend to them because they can purchase a pattern that will pass inspection (to all but the really critical) and that they can understand. It takes a bit of experience to deal with some of the period patterns or to work from a charted pattern on a book page. > > To cut this rambling short, I just want to add my "Bravo Martha" and hope that Simplicity has sense enough to know what a gem they have! > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 21:53:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P2rhe3020335 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:53:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P2rgfH006767; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:53:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P2rEes090305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:53:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P2rBrc038184; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:53:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P2r7aX038067 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.e8.258f34ab (15899) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-3e1b43ffc68740; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:52:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224150719.03688508@64.87.54.245> References: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <43FF6C0D.1090300@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060224150719.03688508@64.87.54.245> Message-Id: <41ff390fccdb8c38557c3ec016adf1b8@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: patterns & fashion Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:52:52 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:53:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFC6B6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 24, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > But that's what we've become, a throw-away society. Companies expect > us to buy something and throw it away after a short period of time, > and that's sad. That's what passes for Fashion, folks! Clothes don't have to last. They are out of fashion and are thrown away. I can't believe what my Sister in Law and my Niece spend on "fashion"- at outlets, no less. The quality is so poor plus, in my opinion, they look like they work the street for a living wearing these clothes ! And they pass remarks about MY clothes. We all went to London and Paris this past August. My 21 year old niece had nasty words for people who stared at her. Well...when you are in Fashion Meccas like these, and no one else is wearing anything remotely like you are-????? And, your male friend has tattoos from wrist to shoulder on one arm only...Hmmmm I say this sitting here wearing my sweats. In Europe, I wore shorts and t-shirts. No fashion model am I !!! But then, I don't try to be one. Off the soap box for now. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 22:02:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P32HDo020477 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:02:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P32GMB009871; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:02:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P324tM091028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:02:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P323lJ044386; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:02:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P320Pq044245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCph2-00022I-Gk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:02:00 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:02:00 -0600 Message-ID: <20060224210200.1v584k3rbpaso8kk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:02:00 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Lalah : *snippage* > > To cut this rambling short, I just want to add my "Bravo Martha" and > hope that Simplicity has sense enough to know what a gem they have! I know that $$$ speak volumes to Simplicity, but what about letters? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 22:03:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P337Vq020501 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:03:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P337XJ021098; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:03:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P2vtO2090753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P2vsbu041565; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P2vpAu041461 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2d3.37e01af (17377) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2d3.37e01af.313121a8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:57:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:03:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFC8EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/24/2006 9:13:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, luann_mason@msn.com writes: I'll buy the cheap modern clothes so I can spend my limited "leisure" time doing what I love--historical sewing. I don't get any emotional "charge" out of running up a modern blouse on the serger, but lots of fulfillment in doing fussy work on a period project. And that is exactly how it is with me. I put my limited time into the historical sewing, and the occasional gifts for a grandchild or art-to-wear type things. When one adds the value of one's time to the cost of materials, modern clothes aren't cost-effective to make. I must say, too, that durability iof ready-to-wear doesn't seem to be a problem for me. I've been revisiting clothes I haven't worn in a while (and weeding out some to give away), and I have some garments that are 10, 15, or 20 years old--and these were definitely moderately priced to begin with, not expensive. (One of the oldest garments in my wardrobe is a Judy Bond blouse that I know I bought at least 20 years ago.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 22:04:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P347Sx020528 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:04:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P3438w017646; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:04:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P33lY6091177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:03:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P33lkh045572; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:03:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P33kDp045556 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so462673nzn for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WXa2YyOMy56FRGWr4nuA+aRrWKsqG9dAKSEaPOSXXG4imwQIcTNBKojLpFInBVHSd45jxmJN69ilL8fBL1n93FaqgBJ39SUmtyQv/GMRHEixq+57hs1sCNjVLPbA/5B+y8X34vWNeYUk9vvjiM2c9hTDA4waXCIADfx5MAIRDuI= Received: by 10.65.224.18 with SMTP id b18mr4081855qbr; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.239.2 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:03:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190602241903v78ced09ap1697b119ff18b4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:03:46 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1P33kDp045556 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Fashion book - any difference between editions? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:04:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFC923.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This may have been covered before, but just in case: Is there any real difference between this edition of the Kyoto Costume Institute's "Fashion": And the two volume in a slipcase edition?: I ask because I've had the former on order with Borders.com for over two months and it doesn't look like they'll be able to get it. The first volume of the second edition is listed, but no mention is made at the Border's site that it includes both volumes. Please advise. Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 22:10:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P3Aw3p020685 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:10:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P3AvpS012418; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P3AdgJ091903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P3Acjh050373; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:10:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P3Aahu050349 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:10:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i28so428206wra for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:10:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lTh5wkKdvUyKhBQYO4azgX0QPUDG7r7QkvZTi0z9kcJb4IR2s0R9gzSQ9Mdjv44UtiV649BwrdbTtRZKWoFvmFsFPZ2uWbYpuw9IfXVmfW4XuhDZDWhJ7JJWPG3/1zJOlWPq8fjP0MyiP9kSOQmeUg7IqX42znLBqWEaYxCwXBI= Received: by 10.65.176.19 with SMTP id d19mr4125714qbp; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.239.2 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:10:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190602241910g2a10a053i68df1459d21625b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:10:36 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1P3Aahu050349 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] corded corset shrinkage? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:11:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFCAC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One last question for the night: A friend helped me drape a pattern for an early 17th c. fencing doublet. For protection and support I want to cord the lining/interlining like the corset described here: before adding quilted cotton padding/outer layer. Does anyone have any experience with possible shrinkage? The site mentions no exact numbers and that it's highly variable by fabric type. I'm planning on making the "corseted" part out of cotton canvas. Thoughts? Thanks again, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 24 23:44:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P4isqM022928 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:44:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P4ima3009568; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:44:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P4i5tq003781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:44:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P4i3XS017399; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P4hxDj017317 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:44:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([141.152.166.73]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IV8004WD7TACUO1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:43:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:43:58 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <007301c639c6$1799efb0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:44:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFE0C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wow, This sounds familiar! I have more shoes than any other man I know. Most of them cost at least $100, but none of those are suitable for daily wear! My regular shoes are cheap and I wear them untill I just can't get away with it anymore. Sometimes beyond that. People often dont recognize me out of costume because I dress well in period, but shabbily out! I actually have just started spending some money to amend that, but it is money that I have been forced to spend out of embarrassment. I wonder how common this is on this list? Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns And then there's the strange folks like me--I'll buy the cheap modern clothes so I can spend my limited "leisure" time doing what I love--historical sewing. I don't get any emotional "charge" out of running up a modern blouse on the serger, but lots of fulfillment in doing fussy work on a period project. My time is limited and so are my resources, so I like to spend both judiciously. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- /h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 00:34:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P5YKLF024088 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:34:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P5YJNL022771; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:34:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P5Xmps008265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P5Xkq6052027; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P5XfAF051968 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:33:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1P5XZ7Z000131 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:33:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003301c639cd$06269ab0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <007301c639c6$1799efb0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:33:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quality of clothing, Was: patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:34:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFEC5B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO *snip* > This sounds familiar! I have more shoes than any other man I know. > Most of them cost at least $100, but none of those are suitable for daily > wear! My regular shoes are cheap and I wear them untill I just can't get > away with it anymore. Sometimes beyond that. People often dont recognize > me out of costume because I dress well in period, but shabbily out! I > actually have just started spending some money to amend that, but it is > money that I have been forced to spend out of embarrassment. > > I wonder how common this is on this list? I'm betting that it's much more common than one would think. I know a number of folks whose period dress is better made and is a much higher fabric quality than what they wear in the modern world, myself included. Since my illness last year, my "uniform" has been sweat pants/capris, tee shirts and tennis shoes. I've pretty much stopped doing my beloved Italian gowns and have opted for 14th century stuff since it's easier for me to manage. My hair is much shorter now (it started falling out 4 months after my hospital stay); it's been years since it's been this short and I can't do a thing with it! :-) Most of the stuff that I've made recently is made of linen, linen/silk blend, wool, wool/silk blend. None of my modern clothing comes even close. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 01:53:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P6rn0a029575 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:53:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P6rjse011126; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:53:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P6rNve015376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:53:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P6rLWs003647; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1P6rJhR003605 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 13149 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 06:53:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2mOKEdkrgbPmvydujb+poRQIhC8c3tSX7H9nI5BUqydL9PcG9uMuLOxvks+RY+udHpnmUeN3Cin8GVN7jGGmBx0WapPetKlVv/c+ZAF4ew2F1c6a3UB7mVPwtyPeqQzjgAroGzPghfKNl6oYqmYKuqrL3Y22FDr8KZi7ddiuayg= ; Message-ID: <20060225065313.13147.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:53:13 EST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602201410.k1KEAFce014159@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mystery Bag X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:53:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43FFFEF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Melanie, you're an angel! Thank you SO much!!! I had tried there only briefly before I left for NY and couldn't find it. Thanks again!! Kathy > It's from the Los Angeles County Museum of Art: Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 03:31:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P8VR6D010361 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:31:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P8VOXZ009466; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:31:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P8UvNw025135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P8UtVB077447; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:30:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P8Up3X077362 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4A115B6065C; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:26:09 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Men's shoes 1800-1810 question Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c639e5$c8eae890$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO My husband is in "Once Upon A Mattress" and just bought "jazz" shoes-- flat, black, with a small heel. Not perfectly period, but close, easy to find and comfortable. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:50 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's shoes 1800-1810 question In a message dated 2/23/2006 10:26:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Flat pumps, very like ladies' shoes of the same period. Ditto--definitely NOT boots--they were not proper for the "drawing room" nor for the ballroom. My husband wears a loafer type shoe, but with the seam stitched inside, like this. _http://www.allenedmonds.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplayDetailVi ew ?storeId=1&langId=-1&contractId=100&catalogId=40000000001&parent_category_rn =1 83&categoryId=190&productId=6370000&imageType=1&occasion=190_ (http://www.allenedmonds.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplayDetailVi ew?storeId=1&langI d=-1&contractId=100&catalogId=40000000001&parent_category_rn=183&categoryId= 19 0&productId=6370000&imageType=1&occasion=190) Regular formal pumps don't seem to come wide enough to fit him. But if you can find them, they would be best. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 04:31:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9VZUf019988 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9VY6v029787; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P9VCvh029889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9V9Ue022560; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9V6Zh022512 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E384B7A7 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:30:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225005624.0365c648@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:02:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Plates from "The Image of Ireland", 1581 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224130649.024d03b8@surewest.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224130649.024d03b8@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440023F6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:09 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >This set of plates is a contemporary look at Irish costume (looks like >males only, in battle scenes). > >http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/ireland.html > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net Yes, lovely plates with great detail for being online. I found that site, or maybe it was posted here, a few months back. I based a friend's outfit on the dinner scene bard. http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0055_jpg.htm There is what I think is a female shown in the burning farmhouse image. She's at the bottom right, letter B. http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0054_jpg.htm Thanks for reminding me of these plates. I needed some images of Irish garments for a project I am working on. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 04:31:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9VZo5019986 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9VYUf000352; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P9VC9K029888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9VA8q022572; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9V6Hs022521 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2E5B7B0 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:30:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225010512.0365c3b8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:05:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Scottish costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224131559.02504528@surewest.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224131559.02504528@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440023F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:19 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >Here are two pages from Scottish metrical psalter books from the 16th century. > >http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0010_JPG.htm > >http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0011_JPG.htm > >Again, only males , but something is better than nothing, I guess. > >Joan Jurancich Oooh, I hadn't seen these before. Very cool. Thanks! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 04:31:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9VZYE019987 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9VYXR016402; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P9VCLf029887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9VA7F022573; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9V7FD022527 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDFBB7C6 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:30:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225011029.0365e8a8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:18:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] corded corset shrinkage? In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190602241910g2a10a053i68df1459d21625b1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7d21ac190602241910g2a10a053i68df1459d21625b1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:31:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440023F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Allison, I haven't done any specific corded projects yet (I am planning on a corded pair of bodies soon), but I've done Trapunto accented garments, which is very similar, as both require sewing channels and then stuffing them with some sort of cord, or yarn in my case. There is no way to specifically determine the shrinkage factor. It will depend on your fabric, your cording, and how tightly you sew them together, and how high the cords build up. You can try to make a good guess by making a sample of what you want to do, measuring carefully before and after to see how much shrinkage you get. What I did with my trapunto project (a doublet) was outline the garment pattern and add about 2" all around the area to be worked. I then sewed my casings, and filled with the cording I chose. I then laid my pattern back down over the piece and marked again, then trimmed the extra. Since you are doing a garment, make sure to mark the grain of the fabric so you can match that up again when you put the pattern back on. hth, Kimiko At 07:10 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >A friend helped me drape a pattern for an early 17th c. fencing >doublet. For protection and support I want to cord the >lining/interlining like the corset described here: > >before adding quilted cotton padding/outer layer. > >Does anyone have any experience with possible shrinkage? The site >mentions no exact numbers and that it's highly variable by fabric >type. I'm planning on making the "corseted" part out of cotton canvas. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 04:32:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9Wt7x020189 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:32:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9Wriw031630; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:32:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1P9WiaP030115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9WiKF024175; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1P9V73x022532 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29196B7CC for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:30:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225011945.0365e618@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:26:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:32:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44002445.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:05 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. > >> >Anyone else doing this? Hi Beth, I've been slowly cataloging my books on a software called Book Collector. http://www.collectorz.com/book/ I have found the program to be very helpful, very detailed, and what I need for me. I can even transfer the data to my Palm, which is helpful when I am out shopping. I will be uploading a book review page to my personal web site, that takes it's info from the same program. Each their own I guess... it's just finding the time to enter every book I own, so I try for a little at a time. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 06:45:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PBjs2d016299 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PBjrkE004781; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PBjLUU042833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PBjKRM024079; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:45:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PBif64023687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9240CD43E2; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF1DD434B for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:44:09 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000201c63a00$dd717890$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1PBif64023687 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44004371.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I seem to be the square peg here. ;-) It is because of the hours it took to create quality historical clothing that made me into a textile snob. I detest shopping in retail stores because the quality of the textiles and manufacture is just wrong, ugly, shoddy. When I'm pressed for time and am desperate to replace a garment I cave and shop retail. But mostly I try to make my own garments using the same standards I do for historical garments. The fabrics I choose are mostly natural fibre, all French or flat-fell seamed. Everything is custom fitted. (No one hour Simplicity Jiffy patterns for me). As a result of that and the care I give those garments, I find they last a very long time. In fact, I have a cotton velveteen tunic with mabee pearl buttons I made ten years ago which is still fashionable, and still standing up very well. Just last year I had to retire a blue silk noile hand-embroidered shirt I'd worn fairly steadily for about eight years, and a gorgeous black silk noile tunic. Even the casual garments I wear are made with the same care, and as a result stand the test of time. I figure it's money and time well invested. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org Message: 13 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:33:34 -0500 From: "Ailith Mackintosh" Subject: [h-cost] To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <003301c639cd$06269ab0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response *snip* > This sounds familiar! I have more shoes than any other man I know. > Most of them cost at least $100, but none of those are suitable for daily > wear! My regular shoes are cheap and I wear them untill I just can't get > away with it anymore. Sometimes beyond that. People often dont recognize > me out of costume because I dress well in period, but shabbily out! I > actually have just started spending some money to amend that, but it is > money that I have been forced to spend out of embarrassment. > > I wonder how common this is on this list? I'm betting that it's much more common than one would think. I know a number of folks whose period dress is better made and is a much higher fabric quality than what they wear in the modern world, myself included. Since my illness last year, my "uniform" has been sweat pants/capris, tee shirts and tennis shoes. I've pretty much stopped doing my beloved Italian gowns and have opted for 14th century stuff since it's easier for me to manage. My hair is much shorter now (it started falling out 4 months after my hospital stay); it's been years since it's been this short and I can't do a thing with it! :-) Most of the stuff that I've made recently is made of linen, linen/silk blend, wool, wool/silk blend. None of my modern clothing comes even close. kate ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 190 ***************************************** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: 2/23/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 06:48:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PBmBTF017431 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:48:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PBm8Ds005370; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:48:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PBlvQX043039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PBlvme025619; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PBls62025584 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:47:53 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:47:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.137.5.75] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602250534.k1P5Xm3l052056@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:47:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 11:47:53.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FF40BD0:01C63A01] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Taschen books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:48:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440043F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've got the Fashion book, then saw the two-volume set on special offer (I think it was 9.99 GBP) at Borders. Despite the fantastic price, I flipped through it and saw only a couple of extra pictures that weren't in the Fashion book and decided it wasn't worth having both. But of the two, I think the two-volume set may be slightly bigger. I don't see how Borders could sell the two volumes separately as they are packed together in a box cover - they probably only list it as the first volume for some computer-related reason. But unless they're going to send you a box cover with only one book in it, which would be very peculiar indeed, I'd bet it's both. Plus, the whole thing was shrink-wrapped in Borders - I had to hunt round the whole shop to find one that was open so I could look at it. Hope this helps, Kate >Message: 10 >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:03:46 -0500 >From: "A. Thurman" >Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Fashion book - any difference between > editions? >To: h-costume@net.indra.com >Message-ID: > <7d21ac190602241903v78ced09ap1697b119ff18b4f@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >This may have been covered before, but just in case: > >Is there any real difference between this edition of the Kyoto Costume >Institute's "Fashion": > > >And the two volume in a slipcase edition?: > > >I ask because I've had the former on order with Borders.com for over >two months and it doesn't look like they'll be able to get it. The >first volume of the second edition is listed, but no mention is made >at the Border's site that it includes both volumes. Please advise. > >Thanks in advance, > >Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 06:51:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PBpE8D018740 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:51:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PBpD5x006358; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:51:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PBnpgX043126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PBnpav026679; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PBnlNh026564 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:49:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C787E1CD490 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19737-08 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 910EC1CD488 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00f801c63a01$89139ca0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060224092252.23B25381@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <43FF6C0D.1090300@lavoltapress.com><6.2.1.2.0.20060224150719.03688508@64.87.54.245> <43FFA2D4.3080200@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:49:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:51:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440044B1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns > It really depends. Some designer clothing just caters to the desire to > have something "different" without being better quality. Like rib T-shirts > or tank tops or camisoles or henleys with a little lace sewn on here and > there. Anyone can dye a cotton knit shirt from Dharma and add interesting > trims, cheaper. (I've been doing a lot of that.) I have *plans* for this summer. They involve white fabric (both knit and woven), an order from Dharma Trading, and the embroidery function on my new sewing machine...heh heh heh.... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 08:26:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PDQsPj007367 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:26:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PDQr0p004671; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:26:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PDQTpp064638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PDQSli090585; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PDQNUY090547 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 57818 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 13:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 13:26:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225131922.01dceb60@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:26:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns In-Reply-To: <000201c63a00$dd717890$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> <000201c63a00$dd717890$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:26:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44005B1D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:44 25/02/2006, you wrote: > I seem to be the square peg here. ;-) It is because of the hours it >took to create quality historical clothing that made me into a textile snob. >I detest shopping in retail stores because the quality of the textiles and >manufacture is just wrong, ugly, shoddy. When I'm pressed for time and am >desperate to replace a garment I cave and shop retail. But mostly I try to >make my own garments using the same standards I do for historical garments. > > The fabrics I choose are mostly natural fibre, all French or >flat-fell seamed. Everything is custom fitted. (No one hour Simplicity Jiffy >patterns for me). As a result of that and the care I give those garments, I >find they last a very long time. In fact, I have a cotton velveteen tunic >with mabee pearl buttons I made ten years ago which is still fashionable, >and still standing up very well. Just last year I had to retire a blue silk >noile hand-embroidered shirt I'd worn fairly steadily for about eight years, >and a gorgeous black silk noile tunic. > > Even the casual garments I wear are made with the same care, and as >a result stand the test of time. I figure it's money and time well invested. If I am making clothes for me, I am not making clothes for customers. As a professional costumer, this is not good. Also I hate making modern clothes for myself (not fond of making *any* clothes for myself.) Instead of spending time making clothes for myself, I could be making a corset, for example. I am still wearing t-shirts I bought in 1989 in Florida for $5.00 so why waste time making for myself. In fact one year, I was so pushed for time, I paid one of the ladies who occasionally sews for me to make my holiday wardrobe, while I sewed 800 peacock feathers on a cloak. (I couldn't afford to pay her for the time it would have taken her to sew on the feathers - I could afford to pay for the time to make a shirt.) Suzi (who really doesn't enjoy the making up bit of costuming) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 08:34:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PDY8gb008967 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:34:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PDY8cZ007130; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:34:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PDXXb1067596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PDXW7L095360; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PDXTv3095278 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.95]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060225133323.LLPK223.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:33:23 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225071746.02673590@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:33:18 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> References: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:34:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44005CD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yeh, I promised myself for years too, then a friend told me about librarything. So I'm slowly going through my library and writing the ISBN numbers on a pad for 20 -30 books at a time, shelf by shelf. With all the resources that Librarything can access, it's really not too bad. The books without ISBN do take a little bit longer, but I still rarely have to enter all the info. Beth >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:29 -0800 >From: Joan Jurancich > >Not yet. I've been telling myself for years that I need to do >something like this. But I'll definitely need a lifetime membership >:-D. Thanks for sharing the site. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 08:47:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PDl3qA010515 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:47:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PDl30H011130; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:47:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PDkhAK073599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PDkgin004612; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PDkc6p004551 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92596 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 13:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 13:46:37 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225134518.01dcb938@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:46:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225071746.02673590@mail.alltel.net> References: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225071746.02673590@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:47:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44005FD7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:33 25/02/2006, you wrote: >Yeh, I promised myself for years too, then a friend told me about >librarything. So I'm slowly going through my library and writing the >ISBN numbers on a pad for 20 -30 books at a time, shelf by shelf. >With all the resources that Librarything can access, it's really not >too bad. The books without ISBN do take a little bit longer, but I >still rarely have to enter all the info. > >Beth > >>Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:29 -0800 >>From: Joan Jurancich >> >>Not yet. I've been telling myself for years that I need to do >>something like this. But I'll definitely need a lifetime membership >>:-D. Thanks for sharing the site. Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 09:57:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PEvoc0012563 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PEvnuo006331; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PEvSXw083832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PEvRfi057355; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PEvOq2057237 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 54214 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 14:57:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ijGXcTPlTTxUYKRFpIoudF32p4hREZg7K6KgKmJU3o16NI8qWt2noE5fOLj9Jy5nMSK0dePswWgKhadGxjuY82knssW1Nsry4TMaDKbZVOivzuQZ+XszqG/DAQyIsiQomwL5w2YVaO+LMfj5n3ZSnbK5M4uBLTAq/9KGtZLCq70= ; Message-ID: <20060225145718.54212.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.47.130] by web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:57:18 PST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:57:18 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400706D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, again. I've been lurking for the past couple of months and wondered if there is anywhere you have bios of list participants stashed? So many of you seem to be doing what I want to do I wonder how you got there. Makes me wish for a time machine so I could go back 30 years and slap the college counselor who told me costume wasn't a career - I should be a secretary or social worker. Any words of wisdom? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:24:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFON5v013528 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:24:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFONCc017114; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:24:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFO3Yq086311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFO0l1077538; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFNupo077396 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.9e.36fb557f (15877) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0544007680e1; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:23:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225131922.01dceb60@127.0.0.1> References: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> <000201c63a00$dd717890$6400a8c0@MAIN> <6.2.3.4.0.20060225131922.01dceb60@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:23:44 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:24:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440076A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PFON5v013528 Status: RO <> Sounds like me, except that the t-shirts were free. Given for being a volunteer at one horse event or another. If only the volunteers received sweats, my wardrobe would be complete. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:26:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFQGT2013580 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:26:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFQFf6006994; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFPspZ086535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFPs3l079057; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFPo75079006 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689363FE5C for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43f782a0.68467 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREAHb+q+qe0AIAAAAB,765bdf500cdc1bebbbfd5de838522bc6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.8] Message-Id: <20060225072550.7ED3D3D1@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:26:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44007717.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Heck, fifty years ago I didn't even have a counselor. Women were supposed to be secretaries or teachers. I did both and was a good teacher, and secretary when I did that, but never happy in either field. Luckily, I found other outlets as I grew older. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- REBECCA BURCH wrote: From: REBECCA BURCH Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:57:18 -0800 (PST) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Hello, again. I've been lurking for the past couple of months and wondered if there is anywhere you have bios of list participants stashed? So many of you seem to be doing what I want to do I wonder how you got there. Makes me wish for a time machine so I could go back 30 years and slap the college counselor who told me costume wasn't a career - I should be a secretary or social worker. Any words of wisdom? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:28:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFSJ7t013637 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFSIfQ018411; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFRqGe086698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:27:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFRpRH080377; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFRlxc080255 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.25]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060225152742.SAEO23780.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:27:42 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225092219.0266a610@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:27:37 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200602251457.k1PEvVdr057416@net.indra.com> References: <200602251457.k1PEvVdr057416@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French seams was RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44007792.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anyone know when "French" seams were introduced? I haven't been able to find an existing example in the SCA period (prior to 1600). Thanks. Beth >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:44:09 -0500 >From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" > > The fabrics I choose are mostly natural fibre, all French or >flat-fell seamed. > >Regards, >Lorina >Five Rivers Chapmanry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:33:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFXeOv013827 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFXdej020403; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFXMc9087167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFXLSN084519; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52215.mail.yahoo.com (web52215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PFXGM1084359 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 704 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 15:33:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hxp3X9RZPzb6Ngs+FbDHGobwHUvlWLFr8FAaoWKvYknW3tR49jKpXw0iLSEE+9CBXUZFE7MncK69Rva9EUyfJ+01zPoVYhnFWFbYQU+WOCKOHPjEaJFDQnGsN9XRPSnrxwm8qTF/cJL/mT0Gk078tQc12d84EQycyBJQ1KAdPnI= ; Message-ID: <20060225153311.702.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.226.32] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:11 EST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:11 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] books To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224172310.0244c080@surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440078D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I posted the site long time ago but still have most of my books in storage. Need a lifetime membership too! I would love to get more info on books that should be in my library. I bought 30 weaving books for different looms and styles so I think I have enough. I need to go thru my books and get rid of some I'm not very happy with. Bought 6 new book cases with a 5 yr. guarantee at a great price but still need more. Heard that books against an outside wall are great insulation, just have to convince my husband I am saving him money in the long run. Brin Kendall Joan Jurancich wrote: At 05:05 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. > >You can see the Costume books (103 titles) at: >http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=costume&view=Castlegrounds > >Textiles (113 titles) at: >http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=textiles&view=Castlegrounds > >Archaeology (108 titles) at: >http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=archaeology&view=Castlegrounds > >I only have a little over 400 books listed so far... still lots to go. > >Anyone else doing this? > >Beth Matney Not yet. I've been telling myself for years that I need to do something like this. But I'll definitely need a lifetime membership :-D. Thanks for sharing the site. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:33:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFXeP1013828 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFXeWx008152; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFXO5F087176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFXNVv084572; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFMqTA076673 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A6540483 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43f782a0.684c2 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREAHZMflB+FwIAAAAB,24f4f9af53145f31294d20255f7219a3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:22:52 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] books X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.5] Message-Id: <20060225072252.7ED3D333@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:33:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440078D4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The point is that some of us who buy way more books than we should, have so many different subjects that a catalog (or a well organized library)is pretty much necessary. I had all of my books except costume and cooking in one room before I moved. Wall to wall, floor to ceiling bookshelves built by me and filled with books in different catagories. In this place, there isn't room to build a library and I must get my books out of boxes. I didn't know about these organizers before, but am sure as heck going to get one of them now. I can catalog as I unpack and some day I might be organized (yeah, right). Thanks for the info!! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Suzi Clarke wrote: From: Suzi Clarke Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:46:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] books At 13:33 25/02/2006, you wrote: >Yeh, I promised myself for years too, then a friend told me about >librarything. So I'm slowly going through my library and writing the >ISBN numbers on a pad for 20 -30 books at a time, shelf by shelf. >With all the resources that Librarything can access, it's really not >too bad. The books without ISBN do take a little bit longer, but I >still rarely have to enter all the info. > >Beth > >>Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:29 -0800 >>From: Joan Jurancich >> >>Not yet. I've been telling myself for years that I need to do >>something like this. But I'll definitely need a lifetime membership >>:-D. Thanks for sharing the site. Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:37:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFbZ0n013950 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:37:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFbYnr021761; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFbEMM087640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFbEHh087783; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFbBvW087676 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.25]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060225153705.SGGE23780.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:37:05 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225092911.0266dec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:36:16 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <200602251457.k1PEvVdr057416@net.indra.com> References: <200602251457.k1PEvVdr057416@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:37:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440079BE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I do it for three reasons: 1) I've got so many (thousands), that I found I was getting some duplicates by accident. 2) I need an inventory for insurance purposes. 3) to find others with similar interests. With the "tags", it also helps with organization... so I can find a particular book again! Most systems were just too cumbersome and slow.. you have to enter ALL the info by hand.. that I kept putting it off. Beth At 08:57 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:46:44 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: Re: [h-cost] books > >Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm >afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. >I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list >them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) > >suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:44:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFiEoT014145 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:44:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFiEot024105; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:44:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFcqLf087765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:38:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFckZW088995; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFcguG088940 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:38:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1PFalet024822 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:36:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:38:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200602251457.k1PEvVds057416@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Listing books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:44:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44007B4E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) suzi Two reasons for listing books: 1. So when people ask you where you got your info, you don't have to type it all out each time. 2. So you can keep track of books you've loaned out. I still want to know who borrowed to my little pink book on making tutus. Are you out there???? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 10:57:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFvJPe014572 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:57:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PFvJLE029852; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PFuxxC089610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PFuwej003763; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:56:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52203.mail.yahoo.com (web52203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.126]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PFutTh003644 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:56:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 74926 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 15:56:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b9iHOVQsotbVXSfERGfOUepW0Jb3oieUwLtW9WnFlYkH/TzpOAsO9Dkd+xApVl+cTwJCuLIcXZ3kAw7rz3NoWJhzcYKMur64P9SQQLrvKZrh/c0DivlK9vkVpxwp2uNsE/xfNpR8KodTJISaUwAYQ70nW8POBqfEAXCdlPI+8FA= ; Message-ID: <20060225155648.74924.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.226.32] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:56:48 EST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] books To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225134518.01dcb938@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:57:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44007E5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It comes in handy if you want to share your books with a friend they can just browse through them on this site. Might help me remember which books I have loaned out too. I also have to start worrying about extra insurance for my books. I should start looking up the current prices on some of them to get an idea of the value of my collection. It will be hard to figure out the value of some of the out of print books. That is a great plan to do 20 to 30 at a time, Brin Kendall Suzi Clarke wrote: At 13:33 25/02/2006, you wrote: >Yeh, I promised myself for years too, then a friend told me about >librarything. So I'm slowly going through my library and writing the >ISBN numbers on a pad for 20 -30 books at a time, shelf by shelf. >With all the resources that Librarything can access, it's really not >too bad. The books without ISBN do take a little bit longer, but I >still rarely have to enter all the info. > >Beth > >>Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:29 -0800 >>From: Joan Jurancich >> >>Not yet. I've been telling myself for years that I need to do >>something like this. But I'll definitely need a lifetime membership >>:-D. Thanks for sharing the site. Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) suzi --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PFwn9C014619 Status: RO 40 years ago, the options were still- teacher or secretary. I was told I was "too smart" to be a secretary, so I became a teacher. We've HAVE come a long way, haven't we?!?!? I was a classroom science teacher (as opposed to "moving up" into administration). I was knee-deep in kids / teenagers all day, for 30 years. It was good, but it was also time for a change. I was able to retire early and now I am able to pursue any and all whims. On my own schedule-no bells! Someone in this group has the signature line "It's never too late to be the person you could have been" Amen to that! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Lalah wrote: > Heck, fifty years ago I didn't even have a counselor. Women were > supposed to be secretaries or teachers. I did both and was a good > teacher, and secretary when I did that, but never happy in either > field. Luckily, I found other outlets as I grew older. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > > --- REBECCA BURCH wrote: > > From: REBECCA BURCH > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:57:18 -0800 (PST) > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire > > Hello, again. > > I've been lurking for the past couple of months and > wondered if there is anywhere you have bios of list > participants stashed? So many of you seem to be doing > what I want to do I wonder how you got there. > > Makes me wish for a time machine so I could go back 30 > years and slap the college counselor who told me > costume wasn't a career - I should be a secretary or > social worker. > > Any words of wisdom? > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. just the net you need > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:01:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PG1Y4l014715 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:01:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PG1XOi031521; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PG1H0s090132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:01:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PG1HcY007642; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:01:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PG1Cm4007574 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 53992 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 16:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 16:01:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225155929.01dd7878@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:01:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Listing books In-Reply-To: References: <200602251457.k1PEvVds057416@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:01:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44007F5D.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:38 25/02/2006, you wrote: >Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm >afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. >I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list >them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) > >suzi >Two reasons for listing books: >1. So when people ask you where you got your info, you don't have to type >it all out each time. Ah, but I only do that with friends/colleagues, so that isn't a major problem. >2. So you can keep track of books you've loaned out. I still want to know >who borrowed to my little pink book on making tutus. Are you out there???? I stopped loaning out books when I realised that I had loaned the third copy of my favourite sci-fi book, and had to buy a fourth when it didn't come back that time either! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:01:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PG1cpp014716 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:01:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PG1bUE013770; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PG1HLv090131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:01:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PG1GoA007631; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PG1BwS007571 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 53980 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 16:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 16:01:10 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225155430.01dd12c0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:59:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225092911.0266dec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200602251457.k1PEvVdr057416@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225092911.0266dec0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:01:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44007F61.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:36 25/02/2006, you wrote: >I do it for three reasons: >1) I've got so many (thousands), that I found I was getting some >duplicates by accident. >2) I need an inventory for insurance purposes. >3) to find others with similar interests. I have thousands of books too, at least 400 of which are costume related. I don't need an insurance inventory, fortunately! I already know lots of people with similar interests, and don't have time to keep up with them all. >With the "tags", it also helps with organization... so I can find a >particular book again! Most systems were just too cumbersome and >slow.. you have to enter ALL the info by hand.. that I kept putting it off. Maybe I'm lucky? I already file in types/kinds, like factual reference/sci fi.classics/ historical fiction etc., and authors and dates, and my costume related books are in my work room, so I never have trouble finding a book, unless I haven't put it back where it belongs. >Beth > >>Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm >>afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. >>I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list >>them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) >> >>suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:07:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PG7RIt014921 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:07:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PG7RSt001265; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:07:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PG71rE090857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PG700k012527; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PG6v7M012484 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l23so441463nfc for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:06:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IbIM2Us23if99vl3FBnE/3mHEpOX9nAwj/T+Hu/LcwDooe6bTjz6wXBwaaC20+dEl/yWn+rU1ykmZdXB6OuERGAGN9Tj/E8m5ZHD7y8m7zoAw68H5mCfCQLUiYleRZzk8qeYU6EDKj4RfAOnNr/UrMskZWpCDOPh6RNhfKhRPHA= Received: by 10.48.237.6 with SMTP id k6mr3168047nfh; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.15.14 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:06:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7164eae90602250806j6d6b81fcl73bab8d3a111164b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:06:56 -0500 From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <20060225155648.74924.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225134518.01dcb938@127.0.0.1> <20060225155648.74924.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:07:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440080BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PG7RIt014921 Status: RO I've only been on it 2 or 3 days and have filled my limit of 200 books. So if someone has say 8,000 books (as some people up there do!!) I'd hate to try and keep track of them in a notebook. I want to know where they are I want to know what I have. I'm hoping they add a "lent" feature and that sort of thing. I can also print out the list of what's on my shelves and I can put that into a binder and put it on my shelves. I have nearly 1,000 books (and I add to it all the time) and this is one way of keeping them together. As for time, I do the ISBNs between answering e-mails from all the costuming lists or at night. B~ > > Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm > afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. > I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list > them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) > > suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:10:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGAm0J015007 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:10:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGAmIX002506; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PGAZgB091169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGAYlw015350; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGAU3M015227 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.19b.46198559 (4328) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:10:18 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.46198559.3131db6a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:10:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Listing books To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:10:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44008188.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/25/2006 11:01:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I stopped loaning out books when I realised that I had loaned the third copy of my favourite sci-fi book, and had to buy a fourth when it didn't come back that time either! I don't loan books out, either. Too many irreplaceable, out of print books that I couldn't buy another of if I wanted to! People are welcome to look at them in my presence. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:24:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGO1cA015452 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:24:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGO06i007647; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:24:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PGNadk093026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGNZA1027152; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:23:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52210.mail.yahoo.com (web52210.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PGNXfw027057 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:23:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 45359 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 16:23:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2HGaWG4fXyuC+uHlwF6NU/5mLWEDtcDKkbQcoST57mTQ7SS+KXMh1J+aRyVZQ8n03gDCfJQNKlT9gdzTLcX/Ly+s+kDNzAxySpBXh5qO8UPH1IaLSXS1o91rxnF14s/BNW//uUa+c8eo/smYHzM0ITV5Hi7x+jQ/s58RqoPZyQc= ; Message-ID: <20060225162328.45357.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.226.32] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:23:28 EST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:23:28 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] books To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225011945.0365e618@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:24:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440084A0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sounds like an interesting program as I hate buying the same book twice. Hard to do? not really as often an author will put out a book under a different name with other publishers. Edith Brin Kendall Kimiko Small wrote: At 05:05 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. > >> >Anyone else doing this? Hi Beth, I've been slowly cataloging my books on a software called Book Collector. http://www.collectorz.com/book/ I have found the program to be very helpful, very detailed, and what I need for me. I can even transfer the data to my Palm, which is helpful when I am out shopping. I will be uploading a book review page to my personal web site, that takes it's info from the same program. Each their own I guess... it's just finding the time to enter every book I own, so I try for a little at a time. 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Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:30:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGUAi7015649 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:30:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGUAB1009786; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:30:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PGTsIN093556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:29:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGTrvG031736; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:29:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52101.mail.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PGTobA031650 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 37471 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 16:29:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t77JEXYWO+t91uvtX1W69K3rJURezzX/RA32z2UXe62SeogGO7GOt9aueBGU3lGAvpQLq1lRoh4S1wnaU534zXCn1K7GThoR9alUZFeXx8hekkmCC0ptKI5zMo8ta8tFmE8J2Kiy4y9h4EkZsIHQRE2DXYHZI8yXsvvum55F52g= ; Message-ID: <20060225162945.37469.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:29:45 EST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:29:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3j052056@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Corded corset Shrinkage? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:30:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44008612.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Allison, I have made a corded corset and no, it won't shrink dramatically. Even if it does, it will stretch back out again once under tension. Mine is made from cotton corset coutil and linen tabby lining with hemp cording and garment weight leather binding. I find after wearing it for a couple of hours, I wish I could tighten it a little, but being a front laced, I can't. Highly absorbent garment however... Kathy > Does anyone have any experience with possible > shrinkage? The site > mentions no exact numbers and that it's highly > variable by fabric > type. I'm planning on making the "corseted" part out > of cotton canvas. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:52:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGqh5j016307 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:52:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGqhse017593; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:52:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PGqN4d095384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGqKTW048744; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGqFN5048689 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:52:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l23so445559nfc for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Vkk93Q0iNcz8gFG6CPv6veU3sdXNBKPDoZc9sCSXb/uBu1aV2JPO8JFpxmG49OlvGCAIJc+htVgHTlTMKejtZDio7t+rXPXPH7NSxbOXLzjNSLfIk6xNM/Od2pWcKJAQcdZ5ixrYLf6tlcKyKmYslLL9mn7cGb1DbFXB7b+8s/c= Received: by 10.49.10.15 with SMTP id n15mr2894951nfi; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.55.15 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:52:14 -0500 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Redwork In-Reply-To: <20060223162106.93222.qmail@web53311.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060223162106.93222.qmail@web53311.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:52:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44008B5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PGqh5j016307 Status: RO On 2/23/06, Carletta da Nicolosi wrote: > > Out of curiosity and basically ignorance on this style of embroidery, what > is the earliest documentable date redwork was used on garments? It is > stunning! I teach Blackwork...which includes Redwork and other Monochrome embroidery. I have found photos from the 16th century from the Hardwick collection at http://costume.dm.net/blackwork/portraits/hardwickphoto.jpg and others at http://costume.dm.net/blackwork/portraits/jesus.jpg and http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/moroni/moroni2.jpg -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 11:58:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGw58s016432 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:58:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PGw43o019470; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PGvooI095728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGvjNL052848; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav4.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PGvglC052788 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:57:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:57:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <007301c639c6$1799efb0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Subject: Re: [h-cost]was Re:patterns now clothing and shoes Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:57:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 16:57:41.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[9714C290:01C63A2C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:58:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44008C9C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have found myself with a very small wardrobe, both in garb and in mundanes. I used to be one of those fashionistas, with a large wardrobe and shoes to match, until I went to school. The clothes took a beating, shoes even worse! I find it very difficult to buy clothes off the rack, as I'm now that perfect in between size...neither the regular sized nor the plused sizes fit. I live in men's jeans and ladies tee shirts. Getting dressed to go out is a nightmare! Shoes are a problem, because as a cutter, I am on my feet all day. I could never wear sneakers, my feet can't stand to be contained. So *when* I do find shoes that fit, I have them resoled three or four times before they are finally for the bin. I hate this 'throw away' mentality. That, and I'm no longer a fan of fashion. Funny coming from a person in the clothing business eh? Now that I'm cutting for history only, no more modern stuff, I can see the practicality of clothing from past times. It's no wonder why we have so much vintage clothing, it was constructed much better! I doubt that we will have much left from the past decade even twenty years from now. Kelly > Wow, > > This sounds familiar! I have more shoes than any other man I know. > Most of them cost at least $100, but none of those are suitable for daily > wear! My regular shoes are cheap and I wear them untill I just can't get > away with it anymore. Sometimes beyond that. Ron Carnegie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 12:28:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHSPG6017290 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:28:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHSOWj030461; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:28:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PHRiYH098558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHRgF9077140; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52106.mail.yahoo.com (web52106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PHReO6077045 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 42744 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 17:27:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=19wn3B/qxHCY355BsWNT8+uhBNxXM1dzmOhlzFPYa2IsUrKnB2DCiGxdv57F45x8WQ09YRYb2zdfI9i1vuAxulnZiFtMXqsoWJXgDCAP+yhV3QRX5pXEVZmHfGIcpmsFvz3Rd18f10IilmNETRbV3CVx9zlDnFxl/ql+RXw8xsw= ; Message-ID: <20060225172734.42742.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:27:34 EST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:27:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602251623.k1PGNcEc027208@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jealousy, envy & Desired Careers (Long) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:28:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440093B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That would be me. :-) I think I am on the other end of the same journey as the original poster. That is why that quote means so much to me. I have always been creative to the point of excess. But having had an learning disability that I didn't learn how to function with until I was nearly out of school, it always held me back from what I really wanted to do. Frankly, I didn't realise what it was until these past couple of years. I knew it was to be creative (I had plans on going into tech theatre program ay Ryerson and working my wany into the [Canadian] budding market of special effects makeup), I had all the contacts and opportunities before me, but I was engaged to someone much older than I when I graduated highschool. He didn't want me to be hung up in university, getting myself in debt, or being anything that might have proven useful or profitable. Frankly, he wanted a baby machine and house slave. His exact words have been burned into my memory "You'll never go anywhere with that, it's a waste of time. Why don't you go for secretary or something?" This guy said he loved me. Funny, that. It took him 3 years after I broke up with him to realise his mistakes, and by then it was too late. It was also too late for me to pursue that avenue. Thus I ended up in business accounting, which was ironic relative to my learning disability dyscalculia- an inability to function with numbers. It was that inability to function that held me back from applying to university; my grades in math were horrendous despite all my other grades being in the upper 70-100. They would have thrown my application out without even bothering to look deeper. I had learned to function with this just fine my senior year of highschool; I understand how my brain works and I pick up numbers almost as fast as anyone else. All my skills have been the same from the beginning but applied in lateral ways, thus not giving me the satisfaction I have always been searching for. I have never had a job that I loved so much that it got me out of bed every morning. I did what I had to do to get the bills paid. A friend had said to me that I have put my time in (I am 35 years old and have held 18 jobs in my life, working since the age of 14 and many times, held up to 3 of those jobs down at the same time. I haven't worked for 6 years), the opportunity exists to take a break from it - why not grab it and enjoy life for a while? So I did. It put me on a path that is only defining itself now. I was for a while, devolving as a person during that break. The powers-that-be said "nope, this is not where you are supposed to be heading, we're gonna throw something at you that will smarten you up and put you back on you path." I had a child, who is also further defining the person I am meant to be - and of course, put me back on my path. I have always sewn, drawn, sculpted... I prefer the complex things because I like the challenge of putting my skills to the test. Someone gave me a magazine and a nightie pattern then said "you know, I am not really into this french heirloom stuff. maybe you'll be into it. Take this these." And I did. And it was good. That spawned into Victorian costuming passion that has produced a closet load of garments hanging in stasis. Since the Vic reenactment is not a strong theme in this region, that passion died bitterly in the cradle. It also caused a long standing consternation between my husband and I; he resents my passion for creating beautiful things. But because I love it so much, I am willing to go to war with him whenever I dig into another project. He is the sort of reason for my other quote in my sig. *He* may not appreciate what I do, nor take it seriously or think it worthy, but dammit, I know I am not the only one out there that shares the love for beautiful things and how they are made. Well, now I am being taken seriously by large institutions regarding my current research. This revived that dead ember of passion into something that I have secure faith will go somewhere. My husband thinks I should be paid vast amounts and awed (*shudder* closer to feared for the insane things I get myself into), but I know that there is more passion than cash in this chosen field. But again, I am willing to defend what I love enough to become the person I am meant to be. It's funny that everyone mentions that they put little or no effort into what they wear every day. I too am the same. I consider my every day clothes functional necessities. I rarely if ever find a trend that works for both my sense of style and body type, so, why put the effort into it? But when I wear my kits... I am thoroughly empowered. The repression mask comes off and I am more the person I really am, perhaps in some cases more magnified. But I have less regret and more certainty while wearing something that makes me feel like me. I am a bundle of nerves and quite uncertain of myself any other day. I believe I was born many years too late. :-) Sorry for the prattle. Kathy > Someone in this group has the signature line "It's > never too late to be > the person you could have been" Amen to that! Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 12:29:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHTm2S017332 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:29:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHTm2B028734; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PHTJC0098671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHTI3j078312; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHTFHQ078188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FD3EG-00017x-G6; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:29:12 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:29:12 -0600 Message-ID: <20060225112912.e9b7z9vthkow8ss8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:29:12 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Redwork References: <20060223162106.93222.qmail@web53311.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:29:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400940C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Bonnie Booker : > On 2/23/06, Carletta da Nicolosi wrote: >> >> Out of curiosity and basically ignorance on this style of embroidery, what >> is the earliest documentable date redwork was used on garments? It is >> stunning! > > > I teach Blackwork...which includes Redwork and other Monochrome embroidery. > I have found photos from the 16th century from the Hardwick collection at > http://costume.dm.net/blackwork/portraits/hardwickphoto.jpg and others at > http://costume.dm.net/blackwork/portraits/jesus.jpg and Mistress Aspasia, do you (or anybody else for that matter) know more about the painting that this detail is from? Thanks, Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 12:31:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHVs2R017386 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:31:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHVrSs031880; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:31:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PHVFU6098887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHVE4G079743; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PHV9tl079624 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12338 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 17:31:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oxaWZ4KP2uqfHnPw2B9hp+5mVYYZOFDOvDH/h5PjeovE2EoE8ceHl5iuVwR8OBmkjgEtluo223NVmX2GPmdQw+3Ivx4jrYjxujPPpbI8XyuqMEM0UmVDJyiZ2f3gP3jjpmc8QXCSVx60ZLN5jAHpI9nAHpH15hzna8HlzujE0CY= ; Message-ID: <20060225173103.12336.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:31:03 PST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:31:03 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for a magazine To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <23b.74189ed.312c0b73@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:31:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44009489.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It is possible to get an older BURDA magazine which is not older than 2 years here: burdamode@burdadirect.de , but that wouldn't help you - but you could at least try it. They get all older versions back so they could maybe have some. Else I would suggest you to make an advertisement, that usually works. I'm sure I could get a czech version of it, but you wouldn't understand a word, it could be only helpful for the patterns:-)) Zuzana Appin1@aol.com wrote: I'm trying to track down a European sewing magazine for a friend. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the November 2001 Burda Magazine (prefereable in English)? Thanks. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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Status: RO <--- Irmgart wrote: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHgGnM017697 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:42:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHgFjb032602; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:42:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PHg2n2000249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHg27e088358; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav14.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHfxUk088305 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:41:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:41:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060225072550.7ED3D3D1@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:41:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 17:41:59.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[C72319E0:01C63A32] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:42:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440096F7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Rebecca, The program I went through at Dalhousie University in Halifax NS Canada, is a two year Diploma or a you can now go for a full degree program. (I'm heading back this Fall, to complete the degree, while I teach in the Dip program) The Diploma is all you really *need* if you want that little piece of paper, and the two years cover everything you would need to learn to make historical costume. The program is geared to historical and theatrical costume. The degree program has extra classes as per a regular degree (soc, theatre history, electives...) and is geared to those wanting to further their academic careers. The career, as in a lot of life, is a lot of hard work. You will always be looking for that next job or contract. The hours are long and the money not so much there! You really have to love what you are doing to work in the field for very long, the burn out rate is extremely high. I have been working for 15 years, though, and this past year has been my best and most inspired! I hope for another 15 just like it! I am lucky though, in that my family supports me in my art, both financially and spiritually. Pierre is my Gibralter, Mum is my lighthouse. Kelly > Hello, again. > > I've been lurking for the past couple of months and > wondered if there is anywhere you have bios of list > participants stashed? So many of you seem to be doing > what I want to do I wonder how you got there. > Any words of wisdom? > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. just the net you need > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 12:52:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHqZnf017948 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:52:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHqYbM008078; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:52:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PHpfQC001248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHpefI096342; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHpbQ0096220 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.36.41da814 (62976) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <36.41da814.3131f321@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:51:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:52:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44009962.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/25/06 2:58:49 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Makes me wish for a time machine so I could go back 30 > years and slap the college counselor who told me > costume wasn't a career - I should be a secretary or > social worker. Know that feeling - when I wanted to be a vet (a long time ago, and before I realised I'd be too sentimental), my careers advisor said I should be a lab technician. Cos the two are so similar!!! I'm not surte of any bios, other than possibly on individuals' own websites, but personally I deided I wanted to costume, and went out and did it. Made a few, then advertised, and made some more and it went on from there (was v. hard at first when I was working full time in an office, and costuming full time in the evenings and at weekends, and then when first went full time when I had to work some incredibly long hours to meet deadlines), but it worked, and I quit the day job to costume full time. And that was that! Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 12:57:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHvDUo018080 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:57:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHvDau010270; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PHughR001848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHuesP000119; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHubem099898 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1a4.48f00f81 (62976) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:56:26 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.48f00f81.3131f44a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:56:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] books To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:57:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44009A79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd recommend some sort of list, even if not strictly a catalogue. A while back we had some pipes leak and the ceiling come down - right on top of one of NIge's most expesive shelves of books. Fortunately, the insurers paid out when we sent them three independant quotes that more or les tallied regarding the value - but if we hadn't already listed tem, it may have been tough just to remember what had turned to a big pile of sooty pile of mush, (the chimney then fell in on itself, scattering blackness everywhere). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 12:57:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHveDi018089 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:57:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PHvdQ3002328; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:57:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PHvS37001952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHvRJu000796; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PHvOD2000752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-253.sonic.net [209.148.113.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1PHvK6X019599 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:22 -0800 Message-ID: <44009A7F.7070707@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:19 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] books References: <200602251457.k1PEvVdr057416@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225092911.0266dec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060225155430.01dd12c0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225155430.01dd12c0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:57:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44009A94.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > > I have thousands of books too, at least 400 of which are costume related. I also have thousands, and over 1,000 costume related. > > I don't need an insurance inventory, fortunately! Well, everybody might need to claim insurance some day. My in-laws' house burned down in the firestorm in the East Bay some years ago, and it turned out their policy required listing every single item they wanted to claim, down to the skillets and the towels--along with current values. I'm well aware how much work that is, because I did most of it. And they had no collector instincts whatever--that house was like something out of a magazine, it looked like no one even lived in it. (Fortunately, they used the insurance money to build an even fancier house that looks like no one lives in it.) However, the quick way to document your book collection--assuming you have it on shelves or otherwise visible--is to pan a video camera over it. That way you can at least prove to the insurance company that you did own these books. If your house burns down or whatever, then you can look up the current values on the net. > > I already know lots of people with similar interests, and don't have > time to keep up with them all. True, but it's heartwarming to see a lot of people get together because they love books. > > >> With the "tags", it also helps with organization... so I can find a >> particular book again! Most systems were just too cumbersome and >> slow.. you have to enter ALL the info by hand.. that I kept putting it >> off. The Librarything system is easy, because you can just click on something to add it. However, I don't want any of my data stored on someone else's machine, and therefore be dependent on their backup system, site availability, continued existence, etc. We have Microsoft Access, and it would be easy to build a little cataloging application for it. (My husband is a programmer, and he built the databases for our publishing business on access.) We just have not gotten around to it. Entering all this stuff in any system is so much work, when there is so much else to do. But it would keep me from buying duplicates of books I already have, which I do on occasion. > > > Maybe I'm lucky? I already file in types/kinds, like factual > reference/sci fi.classics/ historical fiction etc., and authors and > dates, and my costume related books are in my work room, so I never have > trouble finding a book, unless I haven't put it back where it belongs. Those were the days, when I had enough shelf space for that. Now about half my books are in stacks all over the floors in every room. They're sort of categorized, but no way can I keep them all alphabetized by author name and so on. Luckily I'm good at remembering titles, author names, and approximately where things are. As for lending out books, I learned long ago that lending someone something is tatamount to kissing it goodbye. I don't bring people in for viewings either--not since that time years ago when someone took the opportunity to steal some of my books and then brag to other people about how clever she was to have done it. Smuggled them out under a long cape--it's not like I strip search guests before they leave. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:04:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PI49ga018286 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:04:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PI49kh013758; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:04:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PI3r2w002741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PI3qvP006207; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav24.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PI3mpG006143 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:03:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:03:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.59.130.65 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:03:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.59.130.65] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060225072550.7ED3D3D1@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:03:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:03:38 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 18:03:47.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3359660:01C63A35] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:04:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44009C19.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PI49ga018286 Status: RO Well, the other question is whether or not you can make a family-wage career out of it. I've done custom costuming from home for more than 10 years. While the extra money is nice, it will never, ever be enough to support me completely. Now, the University of Rhode Island had a lovely masters' program in textile conservation that I would have been all over in a shot--were it not for the fact that I live in Washington State and want to continue to live in Washington State. 3,000 miles is a bit too long to commute.... LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Heck, fifty years ago I didn't even have a counselor. Women were supposed to be secretaries or teachers. I did both and was a good teacher, and secretary when I did that, but never happy in either field. Luckily, I found other outlets as I grew older. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- REBECCA BURCH > wrote: From: REBECCA BURCH > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:57:18 -0800 (PST) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Hello, again. I've been lurking for the past couple of months and wondered if there is anywhere you have bios of list participants stashed? So many of you seem to be doing what I want to do I wonder how you got there. Makes me wish for a time machine so I could go back 30 years and slap the college counselor who told me costume wasn't a career - I should be a secretary or social worker. Any words of wisdom? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:12:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PICPbW018512 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:12:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PICOrf017341; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:12:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIC8Lf003563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIC7x1012916; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIC3V3012800 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.df.2603e407 (16086) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed644009de635a; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:11:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <007301c639c6$1799efb0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Message-Id: <2e6fdf500479475a87e4ff04c14fb93c@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost]was Re:patterns now clothing and shoes Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:11:48 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:12:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44009E08.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PICPbW018512 Status: RO <> Amen! I always ask if I should wear "Period Attire". It is so much easier to "dress". Can we start a Fashion Trend, wearing our chosen Period clothing day to day? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:27:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIReAR018970 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:27:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIRdEs023876; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:27:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIRGWG006100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIRDV8025774; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIRBQW025715 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC8A5D8F3 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:27:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225101420.036435f8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:22:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns In-Reply-To: <000201c63a00$dd717890$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> <000201c63a00$dd717890$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:27:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400A19B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lorina, Thank you. You are in some ways what I am hoping to do with me. I, too, have become a textile and fit snob. I look around at the mall, and at myself, and hate the one size fits no-one mentality I see. I love natural fibers, and quality garments, and that's what I am slowly working on doing for myself. I don't buy garments that often, and wear them for years until they wear out, which makes for some sad looking t-shirt in my closet right now. Sadly, if I were to purge my closet of things that are outworn, or doesn't fit, I might have just a couple of shirts, and only one pair of pants. Very sad. That does it... I am taking my personal stand to make the time to make my own garments. I've got the skills, so I may as well use them to benefit me, and not just for historical garb. ... And I just realized why my Mom sewed many of her own garments. She was petite, 5'0" and a 100 pounds sopping wet. She had to make her own in the years before petite sizing. And in realizing this, how much like my Mom I'm becoming, it makes me smile. Kimiko At 03:44 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: > I seem to be the square peg here. ;-) It is because of the hours it >took to create quality historical clothing that made me into a textile snob. >I detest shopping in retail stores because the quality of the textiles and >manufacture is just wrong, ugly, shoddy. When I'm pressed for time and am >desperate to replace a garment I cave and shop retail. But mostly I try to >make my own garments using the same standards I do for historical garments. > > The fabrics I choose are mostly natural fibre, all French or >flat-fell seamed. Everything is custom fitted. (No one hour Simplicity Jiffy >patterns for me). As a result of that and the care I give those garments, I >find they last a very long time. In fact, I have a cotton velveteen tunic >with mabee pearl buttons I made ten years ago which is still fashionable, >and still standing up very well. Just last year I had to retire a blue silk >noile hand-embroidered shirt I'd worn fairly steadily for about eight years, >and a gorgeous black silk noile tunic. > > Even the casual garments I wear are made with the same care, and as >a result stand the test of time. I figure it's money and time well invested. > >Regards, >Lorina >Five Rivers Chapmanry >purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, >re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:33:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIX4nq019162 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIX4la026251; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIRGRp006101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIREZI025784; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIRBSY025714 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825D35D8EC for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:27:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225100608.03643198@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:13:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:patterns In-Reply-To: <007301c639c6$1799efb0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> References: <20060224124822.7ED34940@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <007301c639c6$1799efb0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400A2E0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:43 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >People often dont recognize me out of costume because I dress well in >period, but shabbily out! I actually have just started spending some >money to amend that, but it is money that I have been forced to spend out >of embarrassment. > >I wonder how common this is on this list? > >Ron Carnegie That's me as well. And I don't have that many period garments, or even mundane garments. It's just that I put more thought and effort into my period garb than the everyday sweats that I often wear (I am a SAHM now, so I don't do office wear anymore). However, I, too, am changing that perspective, and am designing and slowly creating my own regular mundane wear for everyday use. I just have to work at it, because I am not a fashion maven... never have been, never will be. But I want clothes that fit me, look good on me (is that I look good in?), and that reflects who I really am. I am tired of looking like a slob in clothes that don't fit off the rack, and yet that's the current "fashion" no matter the actual style. The hardest part for me was trying to decide what basic style I really like... dramatic, or casual, classic, or modern. I've decided I am a dramatic casual, with a classic (read as historic) bend. I want clothes that are comfortable, easy to wear, but has something of a dramatic punch somewhere on it. I just need to figure out which part of historical wear I can incorporate, because farthingales are just a bit bulky to wear on a regular basis. ;-) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:33:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIXEA9019168 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIXDC8010430; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIWvNF006609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIWt5r029940; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:32:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIWqWd029887 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:29:44 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Corded corset Shrinkage? 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Status: RO I made one like that- except linen/cotton blend both sides and bias tape instead of leather binding- I call it my "sports corset"!)(great for hot days and very washable!) Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Corded corset Shrinkage? Allison, I have made a corded corset and no, it won't shrink dramatically. Even if it does, it will stretch back out again once under tension. Mine is made from cotton corset coutil and linen tabby lining with hemp cording and garment weight leather binding. I find after wearing it for a couple of hours, I wish I could tighten it a little, but being a front laced, I can't. Highly absorbent garment however... Kathy > Does anyone have any experience with possible > shrinkage? The site > mentions no exact numbers and that it's highly > variable by fabric > type. I'm planning on making the "corseted" part out > of cotton canvas. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It's never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PIeYkw019382 Status: RO I heard a comment about the color black in clothing: " People wear black because it reflects the mood of the times." Is that why we can free ourselves to wear color when we step into our chosen time period? We enjoy the Period and "forget" that all time periods had their problems? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 25, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > <--- Irmgart wrote: > than > and > camo). > < > > I *swear* that my husband owns every single black t-shirt in Brisbane. > > When his Lordship and I first started going out, I'd see something > nice - a piece of furniture or home decor stuff - and his Lordship > would say, 'Yes, if it was black.' !!!!! > > One day, I am going to get him the ( black, of course! ) t-shirt that > has 'I'm only wearing black until they invent a darker colour'. > > Of course, his re-enactment gear is an entirely different matter - his > first 17thC outfit had a burgundy/purple doublet, with gold satin > breeches. :-) He keeps changing his mind about what colour he wants > for his new outfit, first it was going to be crimson, then blue, > then..... > > Joannah > > ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:41:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIfaxc019418 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:41:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIfZlR011897; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIfDxA007477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIfD39036375; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIfAfb036246 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IV9006DRAKE4WD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:41:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:41:02 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Smoking In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224145429.03688798@64.87.54.245> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:41:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400A4DF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is a sad thread. My mom was given 6 months when they FINALLY diagnosed the anal lesion that she had as 3rd stage cancer. It was diagnosed because the lesion contained LUNG cells... which means the primary site was in her lungs --- All due to smoking from the time she was a teenager. She was active and a beautiful woman who had been a professional ballerina and actress in her youth , before her marriage to my Dad at age 23. It was awful to watch the disease progress to the point that she had skin cancer, lung cancer, spinal cancer, liver cancer, pelvic cancer--- you name it . She lost her hair and her eyesight to chemo. Maybe it was a blessing-- at least she didn't have to see the fist size black spots all over her body that was skin cancer. She was in terrible pain and she was not only given oral morphine, but the morpine patch, which had to be moved periodicallu to a new spot that had not been used before. It became a major problem quickly because she had so many skin lesions that they were running out of places to place the patch. BTW-- she only lasted 4 months after the diagnosis. I considered it a blessing. I wish we who have see this could explain to smokers, who all think they are immortal... Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 6:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT Smoking At 08:13 PM 2/23/2006, you wrote: >My father passed away after fighting emphysema for about 7 years. It was a >mercy because he was bright and alert right up until the end. He just was >slowly drowning because of 45-50 years of smoking. Every time I see someone >light up I want to beat them! It's not that the death is so bad - it's the >dying. Way too often it is long and agonizing for everyone involved! > >Wanda I agree with you Wanda. My husband wants to have a commercial of a young person lighting up, saying "it's my choice, if I die, it will only affect me." Then show that person grow older, and how as they go through life; falling in love, getting married, having kids, then young grandkids. A progression until they die relatively early in life of cancer or other smoking related illness and show the grief of those they leave behind. The idea is to show how smoking affects their whole family, not just their personal bodies. I know we all die sometime of something. But I know in my Mom's case, she was in excellent health otherwise. No history of anything, ate right, exercised, everything good she could do, except she smoked from the age of 16 till she died a couple of months past her 73rd birthday, with only a few years where she had quit. She was given smokes from an American military man sometime after the bombing in Japan. As a Japanese woman, she had a life expectancy of her 80s or higher. She left knowing she wouldn't see her the grand daughter she had waited her whole life to hold. But thankfully, she is no longer in the intense pain she had from the cancer, which had spread to her bones in her spine and beyond. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:53:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIrZ8u019843 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:53:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIrZN3000930; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:53:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIrM5c008903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIrLgx046004; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIrHKd045888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FD4Xa-0000Nn-MY; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:53:14 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:53:14 -0600 Message-ID: <20060225125314.i2hhlftguwowc0cw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:53:14 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Smoking References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:53:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400A7AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > This is a sad thread. > *snippage* > I wish we who have see this could explain to smokers, who all think they are > immortal... I think that there must be a certain amount of "teenager" (aka "that won't happen to me" mentality) inside every smoker; there's also the addictive nature of nicotine at work. My dad, thank You, Lord, is still healthy after having smoked on and off and on and off and ... for more years than I can remember. Daddy *knows* -- he was a medical products salesman; I can remember him talking about one of his doctors having a pickled smokers lung in a jar on his desk -- ugly and shriveled and black, but it never motivated him to stop. At least my mother won't let him smoke inside the house. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 13:59:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIxjEI019954 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:59:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PIxiLm002944; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:59:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIxBQV009443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIx9oF050280; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:59:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PIx2MR050169 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IV900LU8BE7QFDB@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:55 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:59:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400A920.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Back in the dark ages, when I went to college in 1970, my counselor recommended an all girls school (Seton Hill College) -- known as a place "Where women lead". It was the only place I applied to and got accepted as an early decision candidate. It was one of the best things I ever did.I majored in Theatre/costume and got a BA. I later went to SUNY Binghamton for graduate school , again in Theatre/costume and got an MA. I worked 24 years in the garment industry and a designer/patternmaker/ head of the department and have done lots of free lance stuff during those years! .For the past 2+ years I have taught in the fashion program at the Art Institute of New York city-- a 2 year Associate's degree program. If someone had told me when I went to college, that I would wind up as a college professor, I would have sent you to the psych ward... I had wanted to be a theatre costumer (Which I did for 6 years and then moved on to clothing design because I needed a steady paycheck!) I love teaching-- especially my 2 day a week schedule that allows me to write and sew-- and if you figure out the per diam sallary, I am making twice what I would make for my old design job--which went offshore to the Orient, but don't get me started on THAT! All this is to tell you that you can change careers or do something new. It is never too late... I have just applied to my alma matter to participate in an on line writing MA program... If you are interested in going to school, look for on line courses, or intensive residency programs... Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of LuAnn Mason Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Well, the other question is whether or not you can make a family-wage career out of it. I've done custom costuming from home for more than 10 years. While the extra money is nice, it will never, ever be enough to support me completely. Now, the University of Rhode Island had a lovely masters' program in textile conservation that I would have been all over in a shot--were it not for the fact that I live in Washington State and want to continue to live in Washington State. 3,000 miles is a bit too long to commute.... LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Heck, fifty years ago I didn't even have a counselor. Women were supposed to be secretaries or teachers. I did both and was a good teacher, and secretary when I did that, but never happy in either field. Luckily, I found other outlets as I grew older. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- REBECCA BURCH > wrote: From: REBECCA BURCH > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:57:18 -0800 (PST) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire Hello, again. I've been lurking for the past couple of months and wondered if there is anywhere you have bios of list participants stashed? So many of you seem to be doing what I want to do I wonder how you got there. Makes me wish for a time machine so I could go back 30 years and slap the college counselor who told me costume wasn't a career - I should be a secretary or social worker. Any words of wisdom? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:10:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJA5xS020249 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:10:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJA5Oi006896; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:10:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJ8Sba010324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJ8RSe057626; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJ8Nhn057587 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IV900ESRBTMZ2T4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:08:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:06:32 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Smoking In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4400AAB8.9000005@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:10:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400AB8D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To give a ray of hope to those who might be facing cancer. I have a friend who had a double mastectomy three years ago and then last year lost a lung to lung cancer. There was no connection between the two. She had been a smoker for I don't know for how long, but probably most of her life. She went through some rough times with both. The good news is that she HAS been declared cancer free. For some people it can be beaten. Please encourage your friends who smoke to try to stop or at least cut back. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:16:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJGrcn020466 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJGqLB009464; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJDirI010752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:13:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJDhXl061478; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJDeux061368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FD4rJ-0001zh-Ps; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:13:37 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:13:37 -0600 Message-ID: <20060225131337.50yxq6lm0rcc8c4g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:13:37 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: bios, changing careers, and college (was RE: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400AD24.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting monica spence : *snippage* > > All this is to tell you that you can change careers or do something new. It > is never too late... I'm not in costuming or theater, but let me second that statment with a resounding AMEN! I got my BA in 1976 in Computer Science. Worked as a programmer for a dozen or so years, had a kid and stayed at home afterwards. I *always* had photographed the spring wildflowers -- always. (I didn't have a place of my own to grow them, so I collected Wildflower Gardeners -- and there is that Large National Park just down the road [aka The Great Smoky Mountains National Park]). One day, I decided to identify my pictures ... I'll cut a long story here. I entered graduate school at 40. UTK was good to me, and they let me start slow. I'll be 53 this summer when I get my PhD -- and I have had a *blast* IME, "older students" tend to be better students -- because they're doing it for THEMSELVES -- not to meet somebody else's expectations. The year that I got my MS, there was a lady who got her PhD in Educational Counseling -- she wanted to work with geriatric patients using Art Therapy. She was 92 I think -- you may remember the letter to Dear Abby about her. She got a standing ovation. If you want it go for it! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:18:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJIGn9020510 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:18:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJIGxq018051; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:18:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJG93i010897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:16:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJG8KG063144; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJFuDx062953 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EA51D00DA for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13908-05 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BD3B1D00D8 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:18:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00f601c63a3f$db4d8880$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Smoking Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:15:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:18:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400AD78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > This is a sad thread. > > My mom was given 6 months when they FINALLY diagnosed the anal lesion that > she had as 3rd stage cancer. It was diagnosed because the lesion contained > LUNG cells... which means the primary site was in her lungs --- All due to > smoking from the time she was a teenager. My mother had a tumor on the back of her neck. They did surgery and radiation, and swore they had gotten it all. When she kept telling them she was having trouble breathing (AFTER they told her she was just stressed and should get over it), they finally took a look at her chest cavity. It was almost completely filled with cancer. > > She was active and a beautiful woman who had been a professional ballerina > and actress in her youth , before her marriage to my Dad at age 23. > BTW-- she only lasted 4 months after the diagnosis. I considered it a > blessing. My mom died one week after they finally found the lung cancer. Like you, I considered it a blessing. But my mom was only 57 years old, and she should have had waaay more time with us, and with the grandchildren she adored. I truly feel that they were robbed. > > I wish we who have see this could explain to smokers, who all think they > are > immortal... Yeah--at one time, everyone in my family smoked. None of us do know, and I don't think we ever will again! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:20:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJKJtV020580 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:20:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJKJWo010659; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJJ8Lo011118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJJ6rO065203; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PJIaqe064914 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6310 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 19:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.68 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 19:18:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225191515.01dd2a20@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:18:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Jealousy, envy & desire In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400ADF3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 18:58 25/02/2006, you wrote: >Back in the dark ages, when I went to college in 1970, my counselor >recommended an all girls school (Seton Hill College) -- known as a place >"Where women lead". It was the only place I applied to and got accepted as >an early decision candidate. It was one of the best things I ever did.I >majored in Theatre/costume and got a BA. I later went to SUNY Binghamton for >graduate school , again in Theatre/costume and got an MA. I worked 24 years >in the garment industry and a designer/patternmaker/ head of the department >and have done lots of free lance stuff during those years! .For the past 2+ >years I have taught in the fashion program at the Art Institute of New York >city-- a 2 year Associate's degree program. > >If someone had told me when I went to college, that I would wind up as a >college professor, I would have sent you to the psych ward... I had wanted >to be a theatre costumer (Which I did for 6 years and then moved on to >clothing design because I needed a steady paycheck!) > >I love teaching-- especially my 2 day a week schedule that allows me to >write and sew-- and if you figure out the per diam sallary, I am making >twice what I would make for my old design job--which went offshore to the >Orient, but don't get me started on THAT! > >All this is to tell you that you can change careers or do something new. It >is never too late... > >I have just applied to my alma matter to participate in an on line writing >MA program... If you are interested in going to school, look for on line >courses, or intensive residency programs... Although I had worked in theatre for 10 years, I went back to college as a mature student of 40, to learn to cut costumes. I got a diploma - we don't run to the kind of qualifications that the Americans do, I think - which no-one has ever asked to see. I teach, write, do research, and have not stopped working since I left college. ( I am now past the age of retirement, officially, but have too much work to retire yet, more's the pity!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:20:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJKZmj020587 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:20:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJKYDI018481; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:20:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJJbG0011215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJJaPF065683; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJJXZ5065631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 25BE5D4286; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04160D3F68 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:19:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:19:05 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000201c63a40$6a478db0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602251900.k1PJ0CER051136@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, DIET_1=0.365,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1PJJXZ5065631 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:20:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400AE02.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kimiko, Ah! Another square peg! How delightful! You're on the petite end; I'm on the Rubenesque end. When I walk into a Penningtons or any other plus size store, I get so frustrated with the designers of these clothes trying to shove large ladies into mini-skirts and tubular trousers, skirts and dresses. Have they ever looked at the women for whom they're designing? We're not tubular! No way. No how. Consequently a woman comes out with clothes that are either too baggy or too tight so that she looks either like a clown or a tart. Neither of these are looks I'm going for. And if I purchase a blazer for $100.00+, I want it to be lined, thank you, with more than a serged seam and buttons that fall off after the first wearing, and not to be made of polyester so that when a hot flash hits I don't feel like I'm wearing a plastic bag. Consequently the current 'dress' jacket I'm making myself has been on the embroidery frame for several months now, based on an early 18th century men's frock coat, but with straight sleeves, made of ivory silk/wool twill and embroidered with rust/orange and real gold. It will take me the rest of the year to finish, but when I do I will have an original garment that will be timeless and last me at least a decade, especially given the few number of special functions I attend. And then I'll spend most of April in the studio making myself a series of new summer dresses (I've lost 30 pounds and am counting) because the old ones are either worn or too big. Simple cottons, a bit of beading, a bit of trim. Voila. Then come September I'm probably going to have to make some new winter trousers and shirts, with the hope I've lost more weight and will need a new wardrobe. And these will wear very well. Unlike the stupid cords I purchased from Penningtons. Argh. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:27:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJRQc7020813 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:27:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJRQtt013292; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:27:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJLb98011390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJLbiW069087; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJLXqJ069025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 25D7A84A7E; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A55C84A78 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:21:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:21:08 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000301c63a40$b1eaa260$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cossack coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:27:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400AF9E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PJRQc7020813 Status: RO Speaking of making your own clothes, it has been my desire for some time to make myself a new winter coat, one which is fashionable and warm, something to go with the stunning sable and mink Russian style hat I have. Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to find a pattern, or photos, of these wonderful coats? I've searched the net for days on end to no avail. I can't find that big-skirted, wide collared coat with the huge cuffs I so have loved for years. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:46:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJk1w9021419 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:46:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJk05A020492; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:46:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJjIif013574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJjG9J086841; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJjDYZ086738 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.218]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060225194507.ZVPF11322.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:45:07 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225133755.0265a680@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:45:01 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <200602251757.k1PHviKF001062@net.indra.com> References: <200602251757.k1PHviKF001062@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:46:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400B3F8.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:19 Lavolta Press wrote: >The Librarything system is easy, because you can just click on something >to add it. However, I don't want any of my data stored on someone >else's machine, and therefore be dependent on their backup system, site >availability, continued existence, etc. No, I don't trust other's backup systems either. librarything has a download feature to comma delimited list that I can import into a spreadsheet or MS Access on my computer.. or re-upload if something happens on the host. Plus, I could printout a hardcopy. I'll do that when I get caught up! It will be awhile. I download after every significant update to the catalogue, so I have a backup. Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 14:51:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJp0oQ021543 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:51:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PJoxcX022658; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:51:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PJoPu7014065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PJoOGq090856; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1PJoMaJ090734 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 28674 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 19:50:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HdspHsb0Un1n/EtAT1GgNCbxErhwyal5MJOLSXctXPRIv/9QCkBl8nUkzFYNEz708BfClYCA//hsOKdqGgO6elJfAVxBAvlVmq5WgIDbENk8xkG28v0DbtEWhgTKgnxYNNsMxIz3V4HPzmUV0BJShDbR2nkDBf5yQElPP7URhog= ; Message-ID: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:50:16 EST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:51:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400B523.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm baaaaack!!! And frivolously cross posting this all over the place;please pardon my excitement. :"> I have to say (yet again!), any photo I have *ever* seen will not do those garments justice! This was a most amazing experience. I have to thank Nikki a million times over for being a patient and humourous compass. I, being the directionally impaired, would not have made it *to* the Met, let alone around the island and then home! It was luck of the draw we got along so well, having only met once for about an hour the year previous. Thankyouthankyouthankyou!! Okay, the cool stuff everyone has been looking forward to: Underwear Mythbusting. I won't have complete data available right away, I still have to crunch it into a readable format, however I can happily say that even the museum staff were impressed with the level of detail I was painstakingly dragging the Most Patient Nikki through. She recorded as fast as she could while I fired numbers and terms at her as fast as she could write. After four hours she was just about mental mush. By hour six, so was I - but could have kept going! You have much to look forward to in the coming months. :-) Myth #1 The Stained Drawers They are not in any way stained by blood. They are not even stained in the right place for it to be blood of natural causes. The photos that we are all used to have some kind of strange shadow artifact. We have mapped out the stains, however the stains are not *nearly* as dark as the photos suggest. My suspicion is, the inks used to trace out the embroidery pattern leeched into subsequent layers when the garment got wet while being folded. There is no evidence that suggests that someone tried to remove the stains which tells me they haven't been used since the stains occured. In fact, none of these garments look like they have been used, ever. This one garment though has taken a beating of some kind; it has substantial evidence of poor-quality repair work throught the seams and embroidery. The fabric shows no wear that says it was actually damaged through actual use, though. Myth #1A The Stained Drawers have a front and back V opening Not true. The back should have a seam in it; the seam has torn away down from the waist, but has done so cleanly enough that it appears to have a seam finish. The waistband is supposed to be a casing that a drawstring runs though. Myth #2 - The Gathered Drawers are crotchless Patently untrue. In fact they are gusseted, just as the other above is. It's just a really long opening. They are just like any other pair of knickers one might envision. I have to say though that the sewing on this garment is just... incredible. The seams are as sturdy and perfect as the day they were made. So much so I couldn't find the selvedge edge inside the seams. And the stitches are so perfectly repeated and tiny, it looks as if a machine had made them. Myth #2A - The Gathered Drawers are closed with a button Again, untrue. They have two small eyelets for a point tie to pass through. The pattern down the opening is goldwork, as is the rest of the embellishment which excited me to no end. Goldwork embroidery is my new obsession so I get to decorate to my heart's content. Given the nature of goldwork though, it's amazing that the embroidery is still in perfect condition at the opening. This point leads me to further believe this trousseau was never worn. Myth #3 - The Stockings were once sleeves I totally disagree with this supposition. They have piecing in them that are absolutely identical to one another which says to me that it was a part of the cutting design. They are also above the knee stockings so the photos simply have not given relevant context to their dimensions. I would hazard that the intended wearer was roughly my height (5'5"); if I compare the overall length of the stocking to my own leg, it sits perfectly above my knee by about 2 inches. I have some numbers and formulae I can use to establish this for certain, I just have to crunch it and see what pops out. I want to roughly estimate the overall size of the intended wearer so I can better understand how the clothing sat on the body. Myth #4 - The Gathered Chemise is blackworked I'll leave embroidery technique out of this for a moment and say no, indeed it is not *black* work - it is mauve and plum. Yes, purple, to be general about it. And somewhat variegated at that. It was such an odd shade of purple that we couldn't find an accurate match to them in the swatch book. Basically, the colour codes we have are close in value, but one must sadden the tone considerably. Myth #5 - The Ungathered Chemise has been tampered with considerably Most certainly has been; this one is confirmed without a doubt. The lower hem embellishment is petit point cross stitch in a totally wrong style of embroidery. In fact, the whole thing looked so far off from what I have seen in the other items in this collection, I left that one to last and didn't take any really substantial recording of it. Seams were different (the sleeves and gussets are faggoted together rather than flat felled like the others), style of embroidery motif is quite different - I think it was tagged into the collection to go along for the ride. Instead, we did a fast and dirty doc on the nightshirt in the collection. I hadn't seen this one before that moment and was pleasantly delighted. It has reversible embroidery, delicate metal lace, a sailor-style collar and pretty cuffs. I would almost say this could also be used as a standing collar chemise, but there is not a great deal of leg room to walk comfortably. The hem is split over a foot up the seams for walking space and freedom of movement, that's it. It also could be a man's shirt, it's a bit longer than the other garments. Myth #6 Loom Widths were really narrow/really small Well, of course this statement is relative, but the full width selvedge to selvedge measurements I found were pretty consistent at 90 cm wide. The fabric weave is stunningly fine, ranging from 26 to 44 threads per cm. Most of the garments are in the higher catgegory. One fascinating note for all of these garments though. There is a seam finishing stitch I have never seen documented before until now. It topstitches *and* hems at the same time. I practiced it on the plane home, and I think I have the method for reproducing it. It creates an absolutely repeatable, perfect stitch on the top and secures the hem or seam finishing with total durability. It's ingenious, simple and very rhythmic, thus easily reproducable. I hemmed a 60" wide piece of cloth in less than four hours at a rate of 7-9 stitches per inch on a heavy, uneven weave table linen, with travelling interruptions. Start stocking up on your stranded silk flosses - that is what both embroidery *and* seams are sewn with. The seams are all this salmony-pink kind of colour and are an intended part of the embellishement design of the garments. The only time a non-silk thread was used was in structural assembly that would not necessarily be seen in the finished garment - i.e. - gathering threads. Or, in the preservation attempts; be they well done or horribly executed. The only other garment that shows obvious signs of conservation is the flowered chemise - they have stitched a stabilising backer onto several slowly disintegrating sections as a preventative measure. The stockings made no sense to us until I realised they were stored inside out, so that the embroidery, right side out could be seen. It was a challenge to bend the numbers around in my head trying to document something not meant to lay flat. The convent stamp found on both pairs of drawers are far more modern than the drawers themselves; being an ink stamp. I'll have to go back through the museum cards to find the Met's date of acquisition to more or less establish the date of that stamp. It is most likely Victorian; the font style strikes me to be oh... 1880 ish. I think that's it for now, I hope I have taken care of the immediate burning questions. I so far have approximate yardage requirements and cutting layouts scribbled out. Next will be to stew the rest of the information into something more palatable and to make mock ups to confirm my theories. Once that's done... I'll be ready to start writing it into a final finding paper. :-D Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:07:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PK7GSu021939 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PK7Gle028786; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PK72gE015729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PK70gT003500; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PK6qAK003404 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5148651AC2 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:06:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225112307.03644350@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:23:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Smoking In-Reply-To: <4400AAB8.9000005@woollycat.net> References: <4400AAB8.9000005@woollycat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400B8F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:06 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >To give a ray of hope to those who might be facing cancer. > I have a friend who had a double mastectomy three years ago and then > last year lost a lung to lung cancer. There was no connection between > the two. She had been a smoker for I don't know for how long, but > probably most of her life. She went through some rough times with > both. The good news is that she HAS been declared cancer free. For some > people it can be beaten. > >Please encourage your friends who smoke to try to stop or at least cut back. >Jeanine Thank you for giving us that ray of hope. And I do encourage my friends to quit, as hard as I understand it to be. If only I could find a way to tell strangers to quit as well. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:07:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PK7OdE021943 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PK7OuP026763; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PK72eS015730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PK71dJ003519; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PK6roG003410 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8351B29 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:06:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225115833.03643b18@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:02:26 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns In-Reply-To: <000201c63a40$6a478db0$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <200602251900.k1PJ0CER051136@net.indra.com> <000201c63a40$6a478db0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400B8FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lorina Just to clarify... my Mom was petite, I am Rubenesque just like you, and slowly loosing weight. I get my height from a mix of my small Mom, and my ex-Marine father who was 6'2", leaving me squat in the middle at 5'6" and way too heavy. You've definitely given me some ideas to think about. I like the dress jacket you are working on. I would love to see pics when you are finished, or even any works in progress. I think I will be spending some of my quiet time today (when the kids are napping) sketching out some ideas. Thanks again, Kimiko At 11:19 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko, > > Ah! Another square peg! How delightful! > > You're on the petite end; I'm on the Rubenesque end. When I walk >into a Penningtons or any other plus size store, I get so frustrated with >the designers of these clothes trying to shove large ladies into mini-skirts >and tubular trousers, skirts and dresses. Have they ever looked at the women >for whom they're designing? We're not tubular! No way. No how. Consequently >a woman comes out with clothes that are either too baggy or too tight so >that she looks either like a clown or a tart. Neither of these are looks I'm >going for. > > And if I purchase a blazer for $100.00+, I want it to be lined, >thank you, with more than a serged seam and buttons that fall off after the >first wearing, and not to be made of polyester so that when a hot flash hits >I don't feel like I'm wearing a plastic bag. > > Consequently the current 'dress' jacket I'm making myself has been >on the embroidery frame for several months now, based on an early 18th >century men's frock coat, but with straight sleeves, made of ivory silk/wool >twill and embroidered with rust/orange and real gold. It will take me the >rest of the year to finish, but when I do I will have an original garment >that will be timeless and last me at least a decade, especially given the >few number of special functions I attend. > > And then I'll spend most of April in the studio making myself a >series of new summer dresses (I've lost 30 pounds and am counting) because >the old ones are either worn or too big. Simple cottons, a bit of beading, a >bit of trim. Voila. > > Then come September I'm probably going to have to make some new >winter trousers and shirts, with the hope I've lost more weight and will >need a new wardrobe. And these will wear very well. Unlike the stupid cords >I purchased from Penningtons. Argh. > >Regards, >Lorina > >Five Rivers Chapmanry >purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, >re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. >519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:07:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PK7hJI021951 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PK7hah022954; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PK7W7n015785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PK7VuQ003972; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PK6qkA003407 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4F851AEA for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:06:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225112502.03643da8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:26:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Smoking In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224145429.03688798@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:07:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400B90F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am so sorry for your loss Monica. Thank you for sharing your story. Kimiko At 10:41 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >This is a sad thread. > >My mom was given 6 months when they FINALLY diagnosed the anal lesion that >she had as 3rd stage cancer. It was diagnosed because the lesion contained >LUNG cells... which means the primary site was in her lungs --- All due to >smoking from the time she was a teenager. > >She was active and a beautiful woman who had been a professional ballerina >and actress in her youth , before her marriage to my Dad at age 23. > >It was awful to watch the disease progress to the point that she had skin >cancer, lung cancer, spinal cancer, liver cancer, pelvic cancer--- you name >it . She lost her hair and her eyesight to chemo. Maybe it was a blessing-- >at least she didn't have to see the fist size black spots all over her body >that was skin cancer. She was in terrible pain and she was not only given >oral morphine, but the morpine patch, which had to be moved periodicallu to >a new spot that had not been used before. It became a major problem quickly >because she had so many skin lesions that they were running out of places to >place the patch. > >BTW-- she only lasted 4 months after the diagnosis. I considered it a >blessing. > >I wish we who have see this could explain to smokers, who all think they are >immortal... > > >Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother Personal site: http://www.kimiko1.com LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/~sstormwatch/ "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." - Eleanor Roosevelt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:13:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKD1E1022097 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:13:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKD1mk030588; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:13:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PKClZW016325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKCgj5007950; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKCcW5007884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-253.sonic.net [209.148.113.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1PKCaV7031632 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:12:38 -0800 Message-ID: <4400BA33.3090508@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:12:35 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified References: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:13:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400BA4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What underwear collection are you talking about? Whose was it, where was it made, and where is it currently located? Thanks, Fran Kathy Page wrote: > I'm baaaaack!!! And frivolously cross posting this > all over the place;please pardon my excitement. :"> > > I have to say (yet again!), any photo I have *ever* > seen will not do those garments justice! This was a > most amazing experience. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:14:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKEisa022134 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:14:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKEisE027845; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:14:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PKEY0u016475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKEYSN009363; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKEVie009291 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C929A51655 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:14:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060225120359.03646320@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:09:57 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225134518.01dcb938@127.0.0.1> References: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225071746.02673590@mail.alltel.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060225134518.01dcb938@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:14:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400BAB4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:46 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm afraid >I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. I know what >they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list them? (More time I >haven't got anyway!) > >suzi For me, it helps to be able to call them up on the computer, or search for something I know is on a bookshelf in the other room, or when I am not sure which book I have, and which book I want, because I have a swiss-cheese memory on things. I also plan on putting a list of my favorite books, with short personal reviews, on my web site for others to view. Many times on this list and on others, someone will ask something and instead of re-writing the same info (title, author, isbn, etc.) over and over, I can just highlight the info, copy, paste, and send the e-mail. It also helps for insurance purposes. If I can prove I owned a book after a fire, the book costs can be covered. Considering how many books I own and some are expensive to replace, that would be very helpful for me. And doing this on a computer also beats the card catalog system I once used for my general paperbacks, so that just means I can be anal-retentive about some things... I was an accountant for a reason. ;-) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:19:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKJTb6022258 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:19:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKJT9U032721; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:19:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PKJEQq016872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:19:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKJCsn012911; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKJ6Yb012847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-253.sonic.net [209.148.113.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1PKJ3Ge000797 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:05 -0800 Message-ID: <4400BBB7.3030809@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:03 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] books References: <200602251757.k1PHviKF001062@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225133755.0265a680@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225133755.0265a680@mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:19:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400BBD1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Very useful; I think it's a well-thought-out site. However, although I see a point in cataloging my library, I see no point to making the catalog public. But it's really great to see a community of serious book lovers--two of whom own over 8,000 books. Why is there such a heavy preponderance of fantasy titles among the most owned? I know Harry Potter is popular, but what about bestselling authors like Danielle Steele? Do you know if the site designer first announced the site on fantasy lists and thus gained an early preponderance of fantasy readers? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > At Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:57:19 Lavolta Press wrote: > >> The Librarything system is easy, because you can just click on something >> to add it. However, I don't want any of my data stored on someone >> else's machine, and therefore be dependent on their backup system, site >> availability, continued existence, etc. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:38:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKcsl4022862 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:38:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKcreL006803; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:38:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PKXOss018363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKXNIw024064; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKXISB023992 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l23so465953nfc for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:33:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pZD5+BGjUEJ+99083Dr9ARNxX5Ums4dTJkLBSC4H+7xb1sT5BucCciuOKK494hlOX5vryuW2Tu1iDKfJ0Ofhfv4bhXtwMoycap7q3v42Pt9f2Qz0Dzb+LPnTBSeh9pprD9WRIScMvHG1ayzeffJzgWCfjbtPAX/5EPl4+6LTUHk= Received: by 10.49.21.16 with SMTP id y16mr3210275nfi; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.15.14 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:33:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7164eae90602251233w1ab795a5ub4d3ce3c527f3b03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:33:15 -0500 From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: <4400BBB7.3030809@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200602251757.k1PHviKF001062@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225133755.0265a680@mail.alltel.net> <4400BBB7.3030809@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:38:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400C05D.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1PKcsl4022862 Status: RO You can make your lists private so that no one else can read them. And while Steele may be on the best sellers list its Sci-fi that is what people read for the most part. I'm sure I'll hear howls over that. But there was an article not long ago about sc-fi held the top rank closely followed by romances. And I don't exactly call HP sci-fi. Those books fall into the fantasy category with books like Lord of the Rings and the the Mists of Avalon books. Sci Fi are considered things like Dune and the like. If you click the Zeitetgeist (sic) link on the page it will take you to all sorts of neat rankings. B~ On 2/25/06, Lavolta Press wrote: > > Very useful; I think it's a well-thought-out site. However, although I > see a point in cataloging my library, I see no point to making the > catalog public. But it's really great to see a community of serious book > lovers--two of whom own over 8,000 books. > > Why is there such a heavy preponderance of fantasy titles among the most > owned? I know Harry Potter is popular, but what about bestselling > authors like Danielle Steele? Do you know if the site designer first > announced the site on fantasy lists and thus gained an early > preponderance of fantasy readers? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 15:58:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKwRRE023418 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:58:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PKwQql013321; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PKvqKv020998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKvnZM042401; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PKvkfG042284 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE02BA2DF5 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:57:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:57:55 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion References: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:58:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400C4F2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I heard a comment about the color black in clothing: " People wear black > because it reflects the mood of the times." > The guys I know who wear black, aside from the wannabeagoth crowd, do so because they know it will match all their other black stuff. They want to look nice, but are design challenged when it comes to picking colors or textures. Fashion changes too much to keep up with, so they stay with safe neutral colors. As for dressing up in historic costume but not in real life, I rarely have RL chances to wear long gowns, silk dresses , beaded fabrics or anything requiring a crinoline. But costume events give me several chances a year to get decked out in something fancy and original. It's not that I don't want to wear ball gowns, I just don't get to many State Dinners or Coronations. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 16:16:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PLGnqj024037 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:16:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PLGnUu019297; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:16:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PLGT2x023000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PLGSDW056437; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PLGMZI056351 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Km5m0VbRKBq7xUsWBnTkBgdoAOy/md3P9jiOysnCV00lCX7kUvukKKuTcLVFGp5K; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.90.236] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FD6m5-00082W-Qo for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:16:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060225134518.01dcb938@127.0.0.1> References: <200602250533.k1P5Xm3k052056@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225071746.02673590@mail.alltel.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060225134518.01dcb938@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2153D05D-47C1-4932-91A6-3D8F5DDE67EB@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] books Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:04:57 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1ad6557d04d4d0873d8d9a2c8f6128fab3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.90.236 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:16:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400C941.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 25, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 13:33 25/02/2006, you wrote: >> Yeh, I promised myself for years too, then a friend told me about >> librarything. So I'm slowly going through my library and writing >> the ISBN numbers on a pad for 20 -30 books at a time, shelf by >> shelf. With all the resources that Librarything can access, it's >> really not too bad. The books without ISBN do take a little bit >> longer, but I still rarely have to enter all the info. >> >> Beth >> >>> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:29 -0800 >>> From: Joan Jurancich >>> >>> Not yet. I've been telling myself for years that I need to do >>> something like this. But I'll definitely need a lifetime membership >>> :-D. Thanks for sharing the site. > > > Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm > afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my > workroom. I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I > need to list them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) Well, I don't know about anyone else, but for me, after the _second_ time I bought a second copy of a $100 book because I'd forgotten that I already owned it, I started carrying my book list file around on my Palm Pilot. I simply can't remember 4000 books individually, and the matter becomes more complicated when I know I've had a particular book in my hands but can't remember if it was a library copy, a copy in a bookstore that I decided I couldn't buy at the time, or a copy on my own shelves. I use an ordinary Excel spreadsheet -- I'd been entering books into it for years already when I got the software to put it on my Palm. One of the motivations for setting up the electronic file (other than simply having a catalog for documentary purposes, e.g., in case of loss) was having a convenient file for pulling citations from when creating bibliographies. At the time, I was doing SCA heraldic commentary and was throwing together an extensive list of citations for my commentary letters every month. Different parts of the library got entered into the file at different times, based on usage. It helped that around the time I was getting serious about it, I had a move that was leisurely and stress-free enough that I could catalog the books as I packed them. There are still a few parts of my library that haven't been catalogued (especially the sheet music) and when I do a major bookshelf reorganization this year I should probably do a formal shelf-check as well. As someone else noted, it's also a convenient place to keep track of who you've lent books out to and whether they've come back. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 16:17:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PLH1NJ024052 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:17:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PLH0ED005415; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:17:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PLGTMo023001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PLGRCb056431; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PLGNJN056367 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Yhh1qa7Ixvby4vCZxJIiBPd+CcO/TBnFc8U3YqJfn5eSAC1t8ONW5BSCVeUdIDy/; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.90.236] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FD6m7-00082W-5q for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:16:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225092219.0266a610@mail.alltel.net> References: <200602251457.k1PEvVdr057416@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225092219.0266a610@mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <73702642-62D8-4DD7-8EB8-ACCD66586937@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams was RE: Quality of clothing, Was: patterns Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1a5ea770150bddfc87522e0d8a3d121d38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.90.236 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:17:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400C94C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Feb 25, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Does anyone know when "French" seams were introduced? I haven't > been able to find an existing example in the SCA period (prior to > 1600). > A lot depends on how specifically you're defining "French seams". There were a lot of different ways of creating seams with finished edges pre-1600, often depending on the type of fabric involved. For a non-exhaustive survey taken from archaeological textiles, check out the article "Archaeological sewing" on my website (see sig line). Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 16:24:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PLOrbZ024302 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:24:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PLOrrJ021937; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:24:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PLOaEV023605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:24:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PLOaap062732; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:24:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PLOWKT062687 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:24:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=HWds7LuDjFtsilwV37Gac+/F7pB5f4JacOkgPITAnCKBvIfh1tbAJAOrsEeUolyt; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.98.127] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FD6tz-0005Jo-MW for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:24:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200602242027.15250.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> <200602242027.15250.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:03:40 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] books Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cd2727f43afcbfad1b6316623fb7710d7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.98.127 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400CB25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 8:27 PM -0500 2/24/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Friday 24 February 2006 8:05 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > I have been cataloging my reference collection on librarything. > >Using what for time? When I retire, maybe. I'm also a LibraryThing fan, though I did maybe two batches of books a while ago and haven't gotten back to it. The great thing about it is that it DOESN'T take much time because you don't have to enter ALL the information on 99% of the books. It will look them up for you! All I've needed to type in is the titles, and it pulls them right up. I do plan to back up the list on my own computer once it bears some resemblance to my actual library -- I haven't been systematic about it. It sounds like it will be in a format that I'll be able to import into FileMaker (or MS Access) so I'll have my own database. Since I hate having to look up and type ALL the information about a book every @#$%! time I cite it, this site is _wonderful_. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 17:44:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PMiBCm026736 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:44:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PMiB0P014874; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:44:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PMhhCL030394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PMhf19019590; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PMhaiA019529 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1PMhXQD013947 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:43:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005501c63a5c$e8df0510$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:43:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:44:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400DDBB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO *snip* > The guys I know who wear black, aside from the wannabeagoth crowd, do so > because they know it will match all their other black stuff. They want to > look nice, but are design challenged when it comes to picking colors or > textures. Fashion changes too much to keep up with, so they stay with safe > neutral colors. Ah...but are they aware that there are different colors of black? True carbon black, black with a blue cast, with a green cast, and so on. Makes me crazy that my black tee shirt doesn't go with my black sweat pants (tee is bluer than the pants). And when they've had the garment too long, ya get grey. :-) kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 17:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PMlY3u026845 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:47:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1PMlYYT015966; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:47:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PMl5TD030723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PMl5pe022175; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1PMl1LJ022094 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.28e.6461fda (15877) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R09 (fwm-r09.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.137]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e054400de572ff; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:46:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:46:47 -0500 Message-Id: <8C808747EAC129E-13D0-C45A@FWM-R09.sysops.aol.com> From: annbwass@aol.com References: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from 67.62.24.2 by FWM-R09.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:46:47 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.137 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:47:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400DE86.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Absolutely wonderful detail; however, for those of us who don't remember, just WHAT underwear are you talking about? Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:50:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified I'm baaaaack!!! And frivolously cross posting this all over the place;please pardon my excitement. :"> I have to say (yet again!), any photo I have *ever* seen will not do those garments justice! This was a most amazing experience. I have to thank Nikki a million times over for being a patient and humourous compass. I, being the directionally impaired, would not have made it *to* the Met, let alone around the island and then home! It was luck of the draw we got along so well, having only met once for about an hour the year previous. Thankyouthankyouthankyou!! Okay, the cool stuff everyone has been looking forward to: Underwear Mythbusting. I won't have complete data available right away, I still have to crunch it into a readable format, however I can happily say that even the museum staff were impressed with the level of detail I was painstakingly dragging the Most Patient Nikki through. She recorded as fast as she could while I fired numbers and terms at her as fast as she could write. After four hours she was just about mental mush. By hour six, so was I - but could have kept going! You have much to look forward to in the coming months. :-) Myth #1 The Stained Drawers They are not in any way stained by blood. They are not even stained in the right place for it to be blood of natural causes. The photos that we are all used to have some kind of strange shadow artifact. We have mapped out the stains, however the stains are not *nearly* as dark as the photos suggest. My suspicion is, the inks used to trace out the embroidery pattern leeched into subsequent layers when the garment got wet while being folded. There is no evidence that suggests that someone tried to remove the stains which tells me they haven't been used since the stains occured. In fact, none of these garments look like they have been used, ever. This one garment though has taken a beating of some kind; it has substantial evidence of poor-quality repair work throught the seams and embroidery. The fabric shows no wear that says it was actually damaged through actual use, though. Myth #1A The Stained Drawers have a front and back V opening Not true. The back should have a seam in it; the seam has torn away down from the waist, but has done so cleanly enough that it appears to have a seam finish. The waistband is supposed to be a casing that a drawstring runs though. Myth #2 - The Gathered Drawers are crotchless Patently untrue. In fact they are gusseted, just as the other above is. It's just a really long opening. They are just like any other pair of knickers one might envision. I have to say though that the sewing on this garment is just... incredible. The seams are as sturdy and perfect as the day they were made. So much so I couldn't find the selvedge edge inside the seams. And the stitches are so perfectly repeated and tiny, it looks as if a machine had made them. Myth #2A - The Gathered Drawers are closed with a button Again, untrue. They have two small eyelets for a point tie to pass through. The pattern down the opening is goldwork, as is the rest of the embellishment which excited me to no end. Goldwork embroidery is my new obsession so I get to decorate to my heart's content. Given the nature of goldwork though, it's amazing that the embroidery is still in perfect condition at the opening. This point leads me to further believe this trousseau was never worn. Myth #3 - The Stockings were once sleeves I totally disagree with this supposition. They have piecing in them that are absolutely identical to one another which says to me that it was a part of the cutting design. They are also above the knee stockings so the photos simply have not given relevant context to their dimensions. I would hazard that the intended wearer was roughly my height (5'5"); if I compare the overall length of the stocking to my own leg, it sits perfectly above my knee by about 2 inches. I have some numbers and formulae I can use to establish this for certain, I just have to crunch it and see what pops out. I want to roughly estimate the overall size of the intended wearer so I can better understand how the clothing sat on the body. Myth #4 - The Gathered Chemise is blackworked I'll leave embroidery technique out of this for a moment and say no, indeed it is not *black* work - it is mauve and plum. Yes, purple, to be general about it. And somewhat variegated at that. It was such an odd shade of purple that we couldn't find an accurate match to them in the swatch book. Basically, the colour codes we have are close in value, but one must sadden the tone considerably. Myth #5 - The Ungathered Chemise has been tampered with considerably Most certainly has been; this one is confirmed without a doubt. The lower hem embellishment is petit point cross stitch in a totally wrong style of embroidery. In fact, the whole thing looked so far off from what I have seen in the other items in this collection, I left that one to last and didn't take any really substantial recording of it. Seams were different (the sleeves and gussets are faggoted together rather than flat felled like the others), style of embroidery motif is quite different - I think it was tagged into the collection to go along for the ride. Instead, we did a fast and dirty doc on the nightshirt in the collection. I hadn't seen this one before that moment and was pleasantly delighted. It has reversible embroidery, delicate metal lace, a sailor-style collar and pretty cuffs. I would almost say this could also be used as a standing collar chemise, but there is not a great deal of leg room to walk comfortably. The hem is split over a foot up the seams for walking space and freedom of movement, that's it. It also could be a man's shirt, it's a bit longer than the other garments. Myth #6 Loom Widths were really narrow/really small Well, of course this statement is relative, but the full width selvedge to selvedge measurements I found were pretty consistent at 90 cm wide. The fabric weave is stunningly fine, ranging from 26 to 44 threads per cm. Most of the garments are in the higher catgegory. One fascinating note for all of these garments though. There is a seam finishing stitch I have never seen documented before until now. It topstitches *and* hems at the same time. I practiced it on the plane home, and I think I have the method for reproducing it. It creates an absolutely repeatable, perfect stitch on the top and secures the hem or seam finishing with total durability. It's ingenious, simple and very rhythmic, thus easily reproducable. I hemmed a 60" wide piece of cloth in less than four hours at a rate of 7-9 stitches per inch on a heavy, uneven weave table linen, with travelling interruptions. Start stocking up on your stranded silk flosses - that is what both embroidery *and* seams are sewn with. The seams are all this salmony-pink kind of colour and are an intended part of the embellishement design of the garments. The only time a non-silk thread was used was in structural assembly that would not necessarily be seen in the finished garment - i.e. - gathering threads. Or, in the preservation attempts; be they well done or horribly executed. The only other garment that shows obvious signs of conservation is the flowered chemise - they have stitched a stabilising backer onto several slowly disintegrating sections as a preventative measure. The stockings made no sense to us until I realised they were stored inside out, so that the embroidery, right side out could be seen. It was a challenge to bend the numbers around in my head trying to document something not meant to lay flat. The convent stamp found on both pairs of drawers are far more modern than the drawers themselves; being an ink stamp. I'll have to go back through the museum cards to find the Met's date of acquisition to more or less establish the date of that stamp. It is most likely Victorian; the font style strikes me to be oh... 1880 ish. I think that's it for now, I hope I have taken care of the immediate burning questions. I so far have approximate yardage requirements and cutting layouts scribbled out. Next will be to stew the rest of the information into something more palatable and to make mock ups to confirm my theories. Once that's done... I'll be ready to start writing it into a final finding paper. :-D Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It?s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. 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Status: RO I've been working on a banner for some newly married friends. I'm using Jacquard Textile paints. I'm not sure what happend but one of the panels that I had to wash - after being painted and heatset; the paint bubbled up and peeled off. Well, actually it was the second coat of paint that I had done over a lighter color of paint. The lighter color stayed in place. I'm going to be redoing the whole panel over. Does anyone have any ideas on what might have happened so I don't make the same mistake again? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1Q0q8Mj030026 Status: RO Brilliant! I'm sending this to half my friends! Tahnk you SO SO much for sharing this. LynnD On 2/23/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > Geoffrey Chaucer hath a blog. Really: > http://houseoffame.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/ > > Only a handful of posts, but in September he wrote about costume: > > << > for a while ther I wolde breke a swete bifor I had ypassed St. Katherines > chirche > now I kanne weare mine woolen hosen, and mine little hatte > >> > > --Robin > tongue thrust firmly through left cheek > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 19:54:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q0sar6030098 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:54:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q0saJW020337; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q0sOn8041661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q0sNQR010862; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav8.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q0sKkQ010845 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:54:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:54:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <022620060006.2719.4400F10B000E020300000A9F22007613949C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Paint Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:54:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2006 00:54:20.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D680350:01C63A6F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:54:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4400FC4C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you paint on any synthetic fabric like polyester, acrylic paint may not stick. It sits on the top and does not soak in like dye should. Dye won't work either. Polyester is a man-made plastic and has to be colored in the extrusion process. I had a wonderful project in grad school, washed it and it all was gone. The others on that fabric have never been washed! They could use it but I'm notlosing them. Good luck. That's just in idea of what might have happened. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historic Costuming" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Paint > I've been working on a banner for some newly married friends. I'm using > Jacquard Textile paints. I'm not sure what happend but one of the panels > that I had to wash - after being painted and heatset; the paint bubbled up > and peeled off. Well, actually it was the second coat of paint that I had > done over a lighter color of paint. The lighter color stayed in place. > I'm going to be redoing the whole panel over. Does anyone have any ideas > on what might have happened so I don't make the same mistake again? > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 20:23:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q1Nh2L030811 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:23:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q1NhJA028104; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:23:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q1NPrA044088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q1MtcL030764; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q1MAHo030037 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:22:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A951CDE2B for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32410-08 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72BBB1CDE1E for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:17:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008a01c63a73$05fb6790$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602251757.k1PHviKF001062@net.indra.com><6.0.0.22.0.20060225133755.0265a680@mail.alltel.net> <4400BBB7.3030809@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] books Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:21:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:23:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401031F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Why is there such a heavy preponderance of fantasy titles among the most > owned? I know Harry Potter is popular, but what about bestselling authors > like Danielle Steele? Do you know if the site designer first announced > the site on fantasy lists and thus gained an early preponderance of > fantasy readers? > > Fran > Lavolta Press I think--and I'm just speculating here--that perhaps SCA-Fi fantasy fiction readers tend to hang onto their books longer. I am not a romance reader--to me, IF I read a Danielle Steele book, it would be a once-only type of book. (And I'd be pretty desperate for reading material.)Whereas, Silverlock, for instance, I can read over and over--and you have to re-read all the Harry Potter books to prepare for the release of the new one, so it makes sense to collect them...And I'd clobber anyone who suggested I get rid of Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd. To make yet another sweeping generalization, the vast majority of the people I know who are passionate about books tend to be costumers and Scadians, and those people tend to lean more toward that end of the fiction-reading spectrum. My non-SCA friends tend to wonder why on earth anyone would have so many books. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 20:28:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q1StUI030936 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:28:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q1StH8029521; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q1SacJ044636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q1Saw0035323; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:28:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q1SXMc035278 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:28:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8B840223 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43f782a0.6d5fa for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREAQRARf68fgIAAAAB,65acbed1aa25f415bd4f593174667fed Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Paint X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.101.8] Message-Id: <20060225172832.7ED00357@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:28:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44010457.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know about the Jacquard brand, but most fabric paints are designed to paint on fabric - not other paint. It bonds with the fabric and gets in between the threads to hold it. I haven't met one yet that works well covering another layer of paint and I have been fabric painting for longer than I care to admit. Even taught it for a while some years back. Some of the newer fabric paints may do the job, but I wouldn't bet on it. You might try using regular acrylic paints as a second coat as they are made to stick to plastic and other non-porous surfaces. Good Luck. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:06:35 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Paint I've been working on a banner for some newly married friends. I'm using Jacquard Textile paints. I'm not sure what happend but one of the panels that I had to wash - after being painted and heatset; the paint bubbled up and peeled off. Well, actually it was the second coat of paint that I had done over a lighter color of paint. The lighter color stayed in place. I'm going to be redoing the whole panel over. Does anyone have any ideas on what might have happened so I don't make the same mistake again? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1Q1wBiY031884 Status: RO Lorina, Congrats on losing the weight! Unfortunately- it found me ! Seems there are a few of us Square Pegs around. T's and sweats are constant companions. I love getting "dressed" for Side Saddle events and historical Teas. Victorian is my preferred Period Style. My husband can wear American Civil War type clothing, so we are all pretty happy with that "impression". Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 25, 2006, at 2:19 PM, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > Kimiko, > > Ah! Another square peg! How delightful! > > You're on the petite end; I'm on the Rubenesque end. When I walk > into a Penningtons or any other plus size store, I get so frustrated > with > the designers of these clothes trying to shove large ladies into > mini-skirts > and tubular trousers, skirts and dresses. Have they ever looked at the > women > for whom they're designing? We're not tubular! No way. No how. > Consequently > a woman comes out with clothes that are either too baggy or too tight > so > that she looks either like a clown or a tart. Neither of these are > looks I'm > going for. > > And if I purchase a blazer for $100.00+, I want it to be lined, > thank you, with more than a serged seam and buttons that fall off > after the > first wearing, and not to be made of polyester so that when a hot > flash hits > I don't feel like I'm wearing a plastic bag. > > Consequently the current 'dress' jacket I'm making myself has been > on the embroidery frame for several months now, based on an early 18th > century men's frock coat, but with straight sleeves, made of ivory > silk/wool > twill and embroidered with rust/orange and real gold. It will take me > the > rest of the year to finish, but when I do I will have an original > garment > that will be timeless and last me at least a decade, especially given > the > few number of special functions I attend. > > And then I'll spend most of April in the studio making myself a > series of new summer dresses (I've lost 30 pounds and am counting) > because > the old ones are either worn or too big. Simple cottons, a bit of > beading, a > bit of trim. Voila. > > Then come September I'm probably going to have to make some new > winter trousers and shirts, with the hope I've lost more weight and > will > need a new wardrobe. And these will wear very well. Unlike the stupid > cords > I purchased from Penningtons. Argh. > > Regards, > Lorina > > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted > cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 21:04:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q24S3v032149 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q24SMc006194; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q249mW048552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q248Yw060428; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q245gO060391 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB79192705CC; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:59:21 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost]was Re:patterns now clothing and shoes Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:04:04 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01c63a78$eb7556a0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <2e6fdf500479475a87e4ff04c14fb93c@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1Q245gO060391 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44010CAC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I like that idea. If enough of us do that, maybe we'll spark a fashion "trend" (like Laura Ashley and the milkmaid look), and everyone will want to dress like us. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]was Re:patterns now clothing and shoes <> Amen! I always ask if I should wear "Period Attire". It is so much easier to "dress". Can we start a Fashion Trend, wearing our chosen Period clothing day to day? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 21:07:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q27f70032226 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:07:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q27fD9007057; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:07:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q27UjY048829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q27TFm062615; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q27QCe062529 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.226]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060226020719.CKWG223.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:07:19 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225193934.0284fb80@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:07:15 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams In-Reply-To: <200602260006.k1Q06n5I078080@net.indra.com> References: <200602260006.k1Q06n5I078080@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:07:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44010D6D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am aware of your site (and Marc's) and stitch discussions in various archaeological references... that's the problem. Of the various seam finishes, I just cannot find an existing garment or fragment with the "French seam".. so I guess I'm defining it pretty specifically. A modern example is at http://www.sewneau.com/how.to/french.seam.html Beth At 06:06 PM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:47 -0800 >From: Heather Rose Jones d > >On Feb 25, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > Does anyone know when "French" seams were introduced? I haven't > > been able to find an existing example in the SCA period (prior to > > 1600). > > > >A lot depends on how specifically you're defining "French seams". >There were a lot of different ways of creating seams with finished >edges pre-1600, often depending on the type of fabric involved. For >a non-exhaustive survey taken from archaeological textiles, check out >the article "Archaeological sewing" on my website (see sig line). > >Heather >-- >Heather Rose Jones _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 21:16:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q2GknO032431 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:16:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q2GjoG009470; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:16:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q2GMcn049526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q2GIKM068240; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q2GCEU068174 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m19so398557nfc for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:16:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lY8DeSCPhv8GQbmgXeD+EjRJWsuvOBMc8Horj+Z9YqG8cW+vrmDD202yMGzHpyEF6h8mLtxOwuqWJNe1E5e819XIUPTfKs+igJZXqeDb3mwwxLwttCD8/2W/wQ5Bs0Vp/hca1tZf51ofC7xa8F7m7WfYpfx/CHGMFT9JmxyffoU= Received: by 10.48.127.15 with SMTP id z15mr3277350nfc; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.213.14 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:16:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0602251816q7f70118dv7f4f20d8502589a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:16:12 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cossack coat In-Reply-To: <000301c63a40$b1eaa260$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000301c63a40$b1eaa260$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:16:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44010F8D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1Q2GknO032431 Status: RO Is Folkwear's Cossack pattern still available? LynnD On 2/25/06, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > > Speaking of making your own clothes, it has been my desire for > some time to make myself a new winter coat, one which is fashionable and > warm, something to go with the stunning sable and mink Russian style hat I > have. > > > > Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to find a > pattern, or photos, of these wonderful coats? I've searched the net for > days > on end to no avail. I can't find that big-skirted, wide collared coat with > the huge cuffs I so have loved for years. > > > > Regards, > > Lorina > > Five Rivers Chapmanry > > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 21:24:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q2OtdY032642 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q2OsJ8011638; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q2OVwR050411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:24:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q2OS32073568; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q2OONq073527 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A03D24150688; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:19:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cossack coat Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:24:23 -0800 Message-ID: <001e01c63a7b$c239e3c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000301c63a40$b1eaa260$6400a8c0@MAIN> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Do you mean like the 60's type coat that I remember Barbie dolls wearing? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Five Rivers Chapmanry Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:21 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cossack coat Speaking of making your own clothes, it has been my desire for some time to make myself a new winter coat, one which is fashionable and warm, something to go with the stunning sable and mink Russian style hat I have. Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to find a pattern, or photos, of these wonderful coats? I've searched the net for days on end to no avail. I can't find that big-skirted, wide collared coat with the huge cuffs I so have loved for years. 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So, we get to wear our lovely stuff and make more! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion > I heard a comment about the color black in clothing: " People wear > black > because it reflects the mood of the times." > The guys I know who wear black, aside from the wannabeagoth crowd, do so because they know it will match all their other black stuff. They want to look nice, but are design challenged when it comes to picking colors or textures. Fashion changes too much to keep up with, so they stay with safe neutral colors. As for dressing up in historic costume but not in real life, I rarely have RL chances to wear long gowns, silk dresses , beaded fabrics or anything requiring a crinoline. But costume events give me several chances a year to get decked out in something fancy and original. It's not that I don't want to wear ball gowns, I just don't get to many State Dinners or Coronations. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 21:39:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q2dA2w000492 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:39:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q2d9nn015291; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:39:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q2cVAR051982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q2cSsT082747; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q2cPhQ082548 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1a8.48fe7640 (15886) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e44011497226; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:38:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> References: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:38:14 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:39:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440114CD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1Q2dA2w000492 Status: RO Men- colorblindness is a factor there, too. One of my former bosses was good looking and always dressed impeccably. (He was referred to as a Ken Doll). He was color blind! He had all his clothes put away in "sets" by his wife, so he would never make a bad color choice. Again- Behind a successful Man is a Woman. PS- She was also impeccably dressed. How about wearing "everyday clothing" from your chosen time period? Not as much fun as a ball gown, but... Just think, people may think you are making a "statement" or you are just weird. At least it would be a "good weird". Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Dawn wrote: > >> I heard a comment about the color black in clothing: " People wear >> black because it reflects the mood of the times." > > The guys I know who wear black, aside from the wannabeagoth crowd, do > so because they know it will match all their other black stuff. They > want to look nice, but are design challenged when it comes to picking > colors or textures. Fashion changes too much to keep up with, so they > stay with safe neutral colors. > > As for dressing up in historic costume but not in real life, I rarely > have RL chances to wear long gowns, silk dresses , beaded fabrics or > anything requiring a crinoline. But costume events give me several > chances a year to get decked out in something fancy and original. It's > not that I don't want to wear ball gowns, I just don't get to many > State Dinners or Coronations. :) > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 22:03:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q33alK001057 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q33ZvF021752; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q33G0j054433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q33ESR099861; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q33BjU099751 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.d8.36ea7982 (15888) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e1044011a63f0; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8089848B2787B-1198-5C36@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> From: annbwass@aol.com References: <200602260006.k1Q06n5I078080@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060225193934.0284fb80@mail.alltel.net> Received: from 67.62.24.2 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060225193934.0284fb80@mail.alltel.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.213 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44011A87.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have seen one on an early 19th century (probably 1805-1820) sheer fabric. Frankly, I was surprised--didn't expect it even that early. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Beth and Bob Matney To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:07:15 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams I am aware of your site (and Marc's) and stitch discussions in various archaeological references... that's the problem. Of the various seam finishes, I just cannot find an existing garment or fragment with the "French seam".. so I guess I'm defining it pretty specifically. A modern example is at http://www.sewneau.com/how.to/french.seam.html Beth At 06:06 PM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:47 -0800 >From: Heather Rose Jones d > >On Feb 25, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > Does anyone know when "French" seams were introduced? I haven't > > been able to find an existing example in the SCA period (prior to > > 1600). > > > >A lot depends on how specifically you're defining "French seams". >There were a lot of different ways of creating seams with finished >edges pre-1600, often depending on the type of fabric involved. For >a non-exhaustive survey taken from archaeological textiles, check out >the article "Archaeological sewing" on my website (see sig line). > >Heather >-- >Heather Rose Jones _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 22:05:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q35CWD001103 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:05:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q35CGD021591; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:05:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q350aZ054513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q350CA001127; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q34tX0000999 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.e8.259ccd95 (16098) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee244011ace37b; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:46 -0500 From: annbwass@aol.com Message-Id: <8C808988887AE17-1198-5C43@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 67.62.24.2 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:46 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <001e01c63a7b$c239e3c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cossack coat MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.213 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:05:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44011AE8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Watch it! I made one of those! It was dark gray wool, had princess seams, and I put a real Persian lamb collar on it. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Sharon at Collierfam.com To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:24:23 -0800 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cossack coat Do you mean like the 60's type coat that I remember Barbie dolls wearing? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Five Rivers Chapmanry Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:21 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cossack coat Speaking of making your own clothes, it has been my desire for some time to make myself a new winter coat, one which is fashionable and warm, something to go with the stunning sable and mink Russian style hat I have. Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to find a pattern, or photos, of these wonderful coats? I've searched the net for days on end to no avail. I can't find that big-skirted, wide collared coat with the huge cuffs I so have loved for years. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 22:10:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q3Agpm001207 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:10:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q3Ag63023687; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q3AMSv055135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q3AKvG004980; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:10:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q3AGUM004868 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:10:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.29b.60fbb3d (15889) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1144011c0c328; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:10:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:10:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8C80899465A27A3-1198-5C66@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> From: annbwass@aol.com References: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> Received: from 67.62.24.2 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:10:04 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.213 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:10:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44011C32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah, yes, another reason to do living history. I have been fortunate enough to attend one real inaugural ball, but those don't come along very often. I also do modern western square dancing (my husband is a caller), which gives me another opportunity to play with fabrics and fancy trims. I gave up the short styles with pouffy crinolines a while ago; the longer skirts are worn with softer petticoats--the circumference is just as full, but it doesn't stand out as much. I DON'T make my petticoats, though. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:57:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion > I heard a comment about the color black in clothing: " People wear black > because it reflects the mood of the times." > The guys I know who wear black, aside from the wannabeagoth crowd, do so because they know it will match all their other black stuff. They want to look nice, but are design challenged when it comes to picking colors or textures. Fashion changes too much to keep up with, so they stay with safe neutral colors. As for dressing up in historic costume but not in real life, I rarely have RL chances to wear long gowns, silk dresses , beaded fabrics or anything requiring a crinoline. But costume events give me several chances a year to get decked out in something fancy and original. It's not that I don't want to wear ball gowns, I just don't get to many State Dinners or Coronations. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 22:28:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q3SX2T001659 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:28:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q3SWAs028914; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q3S8cj056722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q3S4A0016577; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q3RxE9016530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:17075 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FDCZk-0008Gg-HY for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:28:01 -0600 Message-ID: <03c001c63a84$a4b75450$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> <8C80899465A27A3-1198-5C66@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:27:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:28:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44012060.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A couple of days a week, I help out at a (good) fabric store. I decided today that once a month or so I'll be wearing a historical something or another as I work! Now to make some dresses that don't have trains... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q3kcZA002116 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:46:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q3kcqX001940; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:46:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q3kLL3058215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q3kKIb028676; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q1jTAB047173 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A71D168208AA; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:40:45 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:45:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c63a76$5253e6a0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Having recently joined the group, Where can I see pics of this underwear? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:50 AM To: Historical Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified I'm baaaaack!!! And frivolously cross posting this all over the place;please pardon my excitement. :"> I have to say (yet again!), any photo I have *ever* seen will not do those garments justice! This was a most amazing experience. I have to thank Nikki a million times over for being a patient and humourous compass. I, being the directionally impaired, would not have made it *to* the Met, let alone around the island and then home! It was luck of the draw we got along so well, having only met once for about an hour the year previous. Thankyouthankyouthankyou!! Okay, the cool stuff everyone has been looking forward to: Underwear Mythbusting. I won't have complete data available right away, I still have to crunch it into a readable format, however I can happily say that even the museum staff were impressed with the level of detail I was painstakingly dragging the Most Patient Nikki through. She recorded as fast as she could while I fired numbers and terms at her as fast as she could write. After four hours she was just about mental mush. By hour six, so was I - but could have kept going! You have much to look forward to in the coming months. :-) Myth #1 The Stained Drawers They are not in any way stained by blood. They are not even stained in the right place for it to be blood of natural causes. The photos that we are all used to have some kind of strange shadow artifact. We have mapped out the stains, however the stains are not *nearly* as dark as the photos suggest. My suspicion is, the inks used to trace out the embroidery pattern leeched into subsequent layers when the garment got wet while being folded. There is no evidence that suggests that someone tried to remove the stains which tells me they haven't been used since the stains occured. In fact, none of these garments look like they have been used, ever. This one garment though has taken a beating of some kind; it has substantial evidence of poor-quality repair work throught the seams and embroidery. The fabric shows no wear that says it was actually damaged through actual use, though. Myth #1A The Stained Drawers have a front and back V opening Not true. The back should have a seam in it; the seam has torn away down from the waist, but has done so cleanly enough that it appears to have a seam finish. The waistband is supposed to be a casing that a drawstring runs though. Myth #2 - The Gathered Drawers are crotchless Patently untrue. In fact they are gusseted, just as the other above is. It's just a really long opening. They are just like any other pair of knickers one might envision. I have to say though that the sewing on this garment is just... incredible. The seams are as sturdy and perfect as the day they were made. So much so I couldn't find the selvedge edge inside the seams. And the stitches are so perfectly repeated and tiny, it looks as if a machine had made them. Myth #2A - The Gathered Drawers are closed with a button Again, untrue. They have two small eyelets for a point tie to pass through. The pattern down the opening is goldwork, as is the rest of the embellishment which excited me to no end. Goldwork embroidery is my new obsession so I get to decorate to my heart's content. Given the nature of goldwork though, it's amazing that the embroidery is still in perfect condition at the opening. This point leads me to further believe this trousseau was never worn. Myth #3 - The Stockings were once sleeves I totally disagree with this supposition. They have piecing in them that are absolutely identical to one another which says to me that it was a part of the cutting design. They are also above the knee stockings so the photos simply have not given relevant context to their dimensions. I would hazard that the intended wearer was roughly my height (5'5"); if I compare the overall length of the stocking to my own leg, it sits perfectly above my knee by about 2 inches. I have some numbers and formulae I can use to establish this for certain, I just have to crunch it and see what pops out. I want to roughly estimate the overall size of the intended wearer so I can better understand how the clothing sat on the body. Myth #4 - The Gathered Chemise is blackworked I'll leave embroidery technique out of this for a moment and say no, indeed it is not *black* work - it is mauve and plum. Yes, purple, to be general about it. And somewhat variegated at that. It was such an odd shade of purple that we couldn't find an accurate match to them in the swatch book. Basically, the colour codes we have are close in value, but one must sadden the tone considerably. Myth #5 - The Ungathered Chemise has been tampered with considerably Most certainly has been; this one is confirmed without a doubt. The lower hem embellishment is petit point cross stitch in a totally wrong style of embroidery. In fact, the whole thing looked so far off from what I have seen in the other items in this collection, I left that one to last and didn't take any really substantial recording of it. Seams were different (the sleeves and gussets are faggoted together rather than flat felled like the others), style of embroidery motif is quite different - I think it was tagged into the collection to go along for the ride. Instead, we did a fast and dirty doc on the nightshirt in the collection. I hadn't seen this one before that moment and was pleasantly delighted. It has reversible embroidery, delicate metal lace, a sailor-style collar and pretty cuffs. I would almost say this could also be used as a standing collar chemise, but there is not a great deal of leg room to walk comfortably. The hem is split over a foot up the seams for walking space and freedom of movement, that's it. It also could be a man's shirt, it's a bit longer than the other garments. Myth #6 Loom Widths were really narrow/really small Well, of course this statement is relative, but the full width selvedge to selvedge measurements I found were pretty consistent at 90 cm wide. The fabric weave is stunningly fine, ranging from 26 to 44 threads per cm. Most of the garments are in the higher catgegory. One fascinating note for all of these garments though. There is a seam finishing stitch I have never seen documented before until now. It topstitches *and* hems at the same time. I practiced it on the plane home, and I think I have the method for reproducing it. It creates an absolutely repeatable, perfect stitch on the top and secures the hem or seam finishing with total durability. It's ingenious, simple and very rhythmic, thus easily reproducable. I hemmed a 60" wide piece of cloth in less than four hours at a rate of 7-9 stitches per inch on a heavy, uneven weave table linen, with travelling interruptions. Start stocking up on your stranded silk flosses - that is what both embroidery *and* seams are sewn with. The seams are all this salmony-pink kind of colour and are an intended part of the embellishement design of the garments. The only time a non-silk thread was used was in structural assembly that would not necessarily be seen in the finished garment - i.e. - gathering threads. Or, in the preservation attempts; be they well done or horribly executed. The only other garment that shows obvious signs of conservation is the flowered chemise - they have stitched a stabilising backer onto several slowly disintegrating sections as a preventative measure. The stockings made no sense to us until I realised they were stored inside out, so that the embroidery, right side out could be seen. It was a challenge to bend the numbers around in my head trying to document something not meant to lay flat. The convent stamp found on both pairs of drawers are far more modern than the drawers themselves; being an ink stamp. I'll have to go back through the museum cards to find the Met's date of acquisition to more or less establish the date of that stamp. It is most likely Victorian; the font style strikes me to be oh... 1880 ish. I think that's it for now, I hope I have taken care of the immediate burning questions. I so far have approximate yardage requirements and cutting layouts scribbled out. Next will be to stew the rest of the information into something more palatable and to make mock ups to confirm my theories. Once that's done... I'll be ready to start writing it into a final finding paper. :-D Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It's never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1Q3koKF002123 Status: RO Great idea! I'll bet that pattern and fabric sales rise in your store because people will be "motivated" by your creativity. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:27 PM, E House wrote: > A couple of days a week, I help out at a (good) fabric store. I > decided today that once a month or so I'll be wearing a historical > something or another as I work! > > Now to make some dresses that don't have trains... > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 25 23:11:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q4Bgsq002738 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q4Bgsf009243; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q4BPRF060359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q4BODT045860; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q4BKg1045803 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C8A83398E for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:11:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] clothing for the reluctant husband Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:11:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44012A7E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- <<>> *lol! <<>> *Why not a crimson or blue material with blue or crimsom accents. If blue w/crimson + silver or Crimson w/blue +gold. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1Q4SpoH003246 Status: RO It's the Medieval Conference at Kalamazoo that gives me the most problems. Every other place I sell books, I'm wearing medieval or Renaissance SCA clothes, but there modern clothing is all I've ever seen. Some of the participants (professors who already have tenure?) slum it in jeans and tee shirts but since there is a lot of professional networking going on, most dress better than that. Trying to find clothes that look somewhat professional, that I can work in all day, with variations for unpredictable climatic conditions (one year it was up to 90 on the first week of May) and that I already own makes me crazy! It's so much easier to dress in costume! Janet <> Amen! I always ask if I should wear "Period Attire". It is so much easier to "dress". Can we start a Fashion Trend, wearing our chosen Period clothing day to day? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1Q4gm0e003631 Status: RO Start a trend. Wear your Period Appropriate clothing to sell your Period Appropriate books. You'll feel better and be happier! Maybe the idea will catch on. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:28 PM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > It's the Medieval Conference at Kalamazoo that gives me the most > problems. Every other place I sell books, I'm wearing medieval or > Renaissance SCA clothes, but there modern clothing is all I've ever > seen. Some of the participants (professors who already have tenure?) > slum it in jeans and tee shirts but since there is a lot of > professional networking going on, most dress better than that. Trying > to find clothes that look somewhat professional, that I can work in > all day, with variations for unpredictable climatic conditions (one > year it was up to 90 on the first week of May) and that I already own > makes me crazy! It's so much easier to dress in costume! > > Janet > > < Getting dressed to go out is a nightmare!>> > > Amen! I always ask if I should wear "Period Attire". It is so much > easier to "dress". > > Can we start a Fashion Trend, wearing our chosen Period clothing day > to > day? > > Susan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 00:49:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q5n6OW005272 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:49:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q5n5WH007532; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:49:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q5md3f068513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q5mc5L014794; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52105.mail.yahoo.com (web52105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.108]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1Q5mat3014698 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 99982 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2006 05:48:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IFsjCmiMbRV7+7SP3j7NQRhyDCWVj230NJRcwD1CpPlsFMroFN+CTlWyD8WGaFy5FoAuBFdxbk8VJp9kT/Ik9Ov5BvScXNQrCp4ujAMHcgOJ3sUPyDvWdS/svdCuOgm2aR8YwdDYR0ILF9URB1zdxf7+42oE1A54ttcy2TMukFg= ; Message-ID: <20060226054830.99980.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:48:30 EST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:48:30 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602260006.k1Q06n5H078080@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, Demystified X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:49:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44014151.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Im a goober. *LOL* In my enthusiasm I kinda FORGOT to mention the fundamental information: > What underwear collection are you talking about? The collection is referred to as the "Sicilian Brides' Trousseau" > Whose was it, No one is quite sure on an individual level. It has some kind of connection to a convent, but it's not quite clear to me what that connection really is. They figure it likely was a middle/lower class girl whom had learned to sew at the convent. I'm still not entirely certain of this connection though. It simply is a collection of under and night garments made by likely one person, a possible second one helping out, meant for a bride. However I see no evidence of any of it ever being used for more than a short period of time. Either that wedding was some special or she never got married. where > was it made, It is classified generally in previously printed materials as 16th c. Italian but it's actually 16th c. Sicily. Arnold features a photo of the drawers in QEWU and the Cunningtons in History of Underwear, amongst others. and where is it currently located? The Metropolitan Museum of New York, Costume Institute currently holds it. My apologies for my ever exuberance. :"> Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 01:08:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q68KsS005712 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:08:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q68Kw4014387; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:08:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q683iO070071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q680xl028227; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52106.mail.yahoo.com (web52106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1Q67tIA028037 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 98783 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2006 06:07:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ALuz+trLB5Sz0fprqhMaBR6FYLnD1WSHQA2u2PesQjGmOcl2yDYt44EL3twLeDDEdyal1IpZEQav03jnl2aqwzDjJ+b5dE9H8MHmx9dHnJ1zwZ6C15n7R5/oaEAoEm8ha9lrtrY+fWZvINP1XLksn9y9oFcfPUAtj2c621M+yzM= ; Message-ID: <20060226060749.98781.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:07:49 EST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:07:49 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602260217.k1Q2HDDO068906@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, Demystified X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:08:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440145D4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sharon, I believe that the Realm of Venus website has a couple of the photos scanned from these books: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd by Janet Arnold The History of Underclothes by Cunnington (a husband and wife team) There are a couple of other smaller publications as well, one in German I believe. I have literally hundreds of photos of this collection, but since I intend to publish at some point, I am confined by their copyright. Until I know exactly what their limits are, I can't show off my new prized possessions. I am hoping I can draw images from the photos to avoid copyright chaos. I plan on contacting their images department to sort that out soon. Kathy > Having recently joined the group, Where can I see > pics of this underwear? 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Status: RO (snip) How about wearing "everyday clothing" from your chosen time period? Not as much fun as a ball gown, but... Just think, people may think you are making a "statement" or you are just weird. At least it would be a "good weird". Susan I've been doing something along those lines this winter. We've had a rather cold winter(by Pacific NW standards, ok, we don't have real winters here) and my fibromyalgia, arthritis and recent surgery have made me feel the cold rather badly. I have had my normal winter uniform of leggings under long skirts and boots, topped with layered sweaters just hasn't been working. For one thing, the fibro has been acting up enough that I can't stand to have most of my leggings next to my skin. So, I pulled out my 17th century drawers and long hose and petticoats and find that I am toasty warm, and the local Goth kids think I look cool and want to know where I got my stuff. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 04:34:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q9YdEW030932 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:34:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q9Ydw3027119; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:34:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q9WPkg093010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q9WNdi066895; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1Q9WKQ4066794 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96147 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2006 09:32:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GNBTsI3+cIb3uVjm7mdNNjKOup3MSFMqywlTEEJiU4xX6RHMwLIJChZ1Ayng8TyzewJiybgfsmjKCnxy/RKZXJPjavul/Swg4IvaA4y3R68HOf1vxH1p5IiX3lOm9tXyy/mH5Uae7MsTAiyqeGsLkMVDbsOAcQEN3UwWPTBpqQ8= ; Message-ID: <20060226093214.96145.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:32:14 PST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:32:14 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] period fastenings again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:34:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401762F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 04:49:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q9nTqv001224 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:49:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1Q9nT62030736; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:49:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1Q9kh42097270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1Q9kXYD075558; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1Q9kKN9075344 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65744 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2006 09:46:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JaKA0N94T7s5noU6POwc77gDHeYWrySOQvYQQMbaGxs0jBp3mcc6/76UdstSDdvfeww0y4aR6inV1kWJmZ75f6wk+tyVHSv7T4ptQoyqJq2KKZ2MUEM9pkK5bHS00fYqvfuyohGczApBOhifBir/Mmsd9EbRplrZ2dKneXW/eSg= ; Message-ID: <20060226094614.65741.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:46:14 PST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion and black color To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <590a05e6491c6a28e263d11c52e90e3d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:49:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440179A9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As you were talking about black, I remembered a movie about Nero - I don't remember when it was made, I guess in the 90s, but that's not so important. The movie was really, really bad and the thing that got me into thinking was that when somebody of tyhe emperor's family died, all people were then wearing black as an expression of sadness. The thing is, I think I read somewhere that black started to be a "mourning dress color" in the 16th century and that it was kind of invented by one woman who's name I unfortunately don't remember. But that's all a long time ago and I might be wrong. Anyway, does anybody know something about that? Was it possible in Nero's period to wear a black mourning dress? Many thanks Zuzana --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 05:01:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QA1mQC003653 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:01:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QA1mII001577; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:01:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QA1aGd002671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:01:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QA1XKD086382; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QA1TqC086329 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAED3FF6E for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:01:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43f782a0.6f826 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:01:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5EAXx5ABefdQIAAAAB,a49cd905467c54900bdf7c41feb5c59a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Taschen books X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.66.31] Message-Id: <20060226020129.7ED0665A@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44017C8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ask them. Jo. ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "Kate Cole" wrote: I've got the Fashion book, then saw the two-volume set on special offer (I think it was 9.99 GBP) at Borders. Despite the fantastic price, I flipped through it and saw only a couple of extra pictures that weren't in the Fashion book and decided it wasn't worth having both. But of the two, I think the two-volume set may be slightly bigger. I don't see how Borders could sell the two volumes separately as they are packed together in a box cover - they probably only list it as the first volume for some computer-related reason. But unless they're going to send you a box cover with only one book in it, which would be very peculiar indeed, I'd bet it's both. Plus, the whole thing was shrink-wrapped in Borders - I had to hunt round the whole shop to find one that was open so I could look at it. Hope this helps, Kate >Message: 10 >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:03:46 -0500 >From: "A. Thurman" >Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Fashion book - any difference between > editions? >This may have been covered before, but just in case: > >Is there any real difference between this edition of the Kyoto Costume >Institute's "Fashion": > > >And the two volume in a slipcase edition?: > > >I ask because I've had the former on order with Borders.com for over >two months and it doesn't look like they'll be able to get it. The >first volume of the second edition is listed, but no mention is made >at the Border's site that it includes both volumes. Please advise. > >Thanks in advance, > >Allison T. > > _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 06:21:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QBL055020703 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:21:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QBKxdY023140; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QBKWll015629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QBKU8b039447; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QBKQU6039274 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.210.138d5e7d (15699) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D32 (fwm-d32.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.8]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d5344018ef21c6; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:20:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:20:18 -0500 From: annbwass@aol.com Message-Id: <8C808DDC245ADAE-1210-1257@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 67.62.24.2 by FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:20:18 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060226054830.99980.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, Demystified MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.8 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:21:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44018F1B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As to it's not showing much evidence of wear--another alternative is that the bride died not too long after the wedding. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:48:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, Demystified Im a goober. *LOL* In my enthusiasm I kinda FORGOT to mention the fundamental information: > What underwear collection are you talking about? The collection is referred to as the "Sicilian Brides' Trousseau" > Whose was it, No one is quite sure on an individual level. It has some kind of connection to a convent, but it's not quite clear to me what that connection really is. They figure it likely was a middle/lower class girl whom had learned to sew at the convent. I'm still not entirely certain of this connection though. It simply is a collection of under and night garments made by likely one person, a possible second one helping out, meant for a bride. However I see no evidence of any of it ever being used for more than a short period of time. Either that wedding was some special or she never got married. where > was it made, It is classified generally in previously printed materials as 16th c. Italian but it's actually 16th c. Sicily. Arnold features a photo of the drawers in QEWU and the Cunningtons in History of Underwear, amongst others. and where is it currently located? The Metropolitan Museum of New York, Costume Institute currently holds it. My apologies for my ever exuberance. :"> Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It?s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 08:34:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QDY9xS009676 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:34:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QDY9CG030993; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:34:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QDXbCG030577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QDXWMf036422; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QDXSwI036310 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE2201D4; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:33:22 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 26 Feb 2006 08:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c63ad9$82696fa0$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:35:27 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:34:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401AE51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Re the color black, some of you might find the chapter on "Black" in Anne Hollander's book "Seeing Through Clothes" to be very interesting..I myself have found the book to be very fascinating as well as useful for the social historian, in general. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion > > > I heard a comment about the color black in clothing: " People wear black > > because it reflects the mood of the times." > > > > The guys I know who wear black, aside from the wannabeagoth crowd, do so > because they know it will match all their other black stuff. They want > to look nice, but are design challenged when it comes to picking colors > or textures. Fashion changes too much to keep up with, so they stay with > safe neutral colors. > > As for dressing up in historic costume but not in real life, I rarely > have RL chances to wear long gowns, silk dresses , beaded fabrics or > anything requiring a crinoline. But costume events give me several > chances a year to get decked out in something fancy and original. It's > not that I don't want to wear ball gowns, I just don't get to many State > Dinners or Coronations. :) > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 08:36:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QDawFo009784 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:36:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QDaw7i031964; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:37:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QDaQcZ030807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QDaQZJ038523; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QDaNuk038430 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.231]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060226133617.TYBK11322.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:36:17 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060226072120.028bd9d0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:33:42 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams In-Reply-To: <200602260608.k1Q681WH028248@net.indra.com> References: <200602260608.k1Q681WH028248@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401AEFA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. That is earlier than I have been able to find also. What country was the garment from? While I'm glad to see an attempt at finishing raw edges and seams in SCA costuming, almost no one seems (pun, sorry) to do period appropriate finishes... even if they stitch it by hand. Beth At 12:08 AM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 >From: annbwass@aol.com > >I have seen one on an early 19th century (probably 1805-1820) sheer >fabric. Frankly, I was surprised--didn't expect it even that early. > >Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 08:55:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QDtrcD010839 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:55:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QDtqRf005538; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:55:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QDtc9G032647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QDtbmU052877; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:55:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QDtXw2052834 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:55:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927103FB8F for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.16b41e for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5EAbNVhSRF7wIAAAAB,58edb43ca9fcfa5189c114329029ca6f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:55:33 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.66.31] Message-Id: <20060226055533.23B10880@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:55:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401B368.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One of the things that frustrates me, is that clothing designers/manufacturers ( at least here in Australia ) generally don't seem to realise that plus sized women are *not* all the same SHAPE. The mainstream plus size fashion available here seems to be designed for the women who because of their weight are 'tubular' or straight-up-and-down. ( I know that there are some companies in the US who have designs that suit different shapes - don't you love the Web? ) This is why I tend to live in trousers and stretch fabric shirts. If I manage to find a button up shirt that goes over my bottom half, it is usually far, far too big around the chest and under the arms. ( I am much larger around the bottom than the top. ) With t-shirts, strangely enough, this doesn't seem to be a problem. And even when ( if get my act together ) I get back to the size I should be, I'll be a size 16-18, 70-80kgs, and will probably have to resort to size 20 for long sleeved shirts. ( I am tall, long armed and long legged. As a girl in highschool, I had to wear boys white long-sleeved shirts - eg mens business shirts -for my winter uniform, as the ones for girls weren't long enough in the arms for me. Oddly, this didn't bother me as much as the fact that at about age 14 I had to get boys black lace-up shoes - the ones I liked which were styled for girls weren't made to womens' size 10. I still have shoe issues..... ) Another favourite gripe of mine is the higher-end Australian plus-size designer whose sizes are 1-2 sizes smaller than reality. And this woman is a plus size herself now, which is why she started her fashion business. Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "Five Rivers Chapmanry" wrote: Kimiko, Ah! Another square peg! How delightful! You're on the petite end; I'm on the Rubenesque end. When I walk into a Penningtons or any other plus size store, I get so frustrated with the designers of these clothes trying to shove large ladies into mini-skirts and tubular trousers, skirts and dresses. Have they ever looked at the women for whom they're designing? We're not tubular! No way. No how. Consequently a woman comes out with clothes that are either too baggy or too tight so that she looks either like a clown or a tart. Neither of these are looks I'm going for. And if I purchase a blazer for $100.00+, I want it to be lined, thank you, with more than a serged seam and buttons that fall off after the first wearing, and not to be made of polyester so that when a hot flash hits I don't feel like I'm wearing a plastic bag. Consequently the current 'dress' jacket I'm making myself has been on the embroidery frame for several months now, based on an early 18th century men's frock coat, but with straight sleeves, made of ivory silk/wool twill and embroidered with rust/orange and real gold. It will take me the rest of the year to finish, but when I do I will have an original garment that will be timeless and last me at least a decade, especially given the few number of special functions I attend. And then I'll spend most of April in the studio making myself a series of new summer dresses (I've lost 30 pounds and am counting) because the old ones are either worn or too big. Simple cottons, a bit of beading, a bit of trim. Voila. Then come September I'm probably going to have to make some new winter trousers and shirts, with the hope I've lost more weight and will need a new wardrobe. And these will wear very well. Unlike the stupid cords I purchased from Penningtons. Argh. Regards, Lorina _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 09:13:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QEDEED011235 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:13:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QEDE5C011222; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:13:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QEBfjE033898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QEBe6D065101; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1QEBa0G065020 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 31930 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 14:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.226 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 14:11:31 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060226140835.01ddf730@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:10:34 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060226072120.028bd9d0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200602260608.k1Q681WH028248@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060226072120.028bd9d0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401B77A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:33 26/02/2006, you wrote: >Thank you. That is earlier than I have been able to find also. What >country was the garment from? > >While I'm glad to see an attempt at finishing raw edges and seams in >SCA costuming, almost no one seems (pun, sorry) to do period >appropriate finishes... even if they stitch it by hand. > >Beth > >At 12:08 AM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 >>From: annbwass@aol.com >> >>I have seen one on an early 19th century (probably 1805-1820) sheer >>fabric. Frankly, I was surprised--didn't expect it even that early. >> >>Ann Wass I have a net Spencer from about the same sort of date. Probably English, but I seem to remember that the seams were "finished". Some were bound, I'm sure. Would you like me to look it out and check. If they are french seams I could photograph it for you. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 10:07:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QF779G013892 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QF77UR030830; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QF6eCY040003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:06:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QF6ba7013105; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QF6YAA013003 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.24a.77c1d61 (16097) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee14401c3f2288; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:06:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <081001c63aa6$559b2190$0200a8c0@boris> References: <20060225094017.7ED03864@dm20.mta.everyone.net><4400C4D3.5050007@reddawn.net> <081001c63aa6$559b2190$0200a8c0@boris> Message-Id: <185b414ecb053081169f140b1b98d2a3@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] various fashion Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:06:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401C41B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1QF779G013892 Status: RO See? Progress in small increments! And you are warm, too! Hope you are feeling better. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > (snip) > How about wearing "everyday clothing" from your chosen time period? > Not as much fun as a ball gown, but... > > Just think, people may think you are making a "statement" or you are > just weird. At least it would be a "good weird". > > Susan > > I've been doing something along those lines this winter. We've had a > rather cold winter(by Pacific NW standards, ok, we don't have real > winters here) and my fibromyalgia, arthritis and recent surgery have > made me feel the cold rather badly. I have had my normal winter > uniform of leggings under long skirts and boots, topped with layered > sweaters just hasn't been working. For one thing, the fibro has been > acting up enough that I can't stand to have most of my leggings next > to my skin. So, I pulled out my 17th century drawers and long hose > and petticoats and find that I am toasty warm, and the local Goth kids > think I look cool and want to know where I got my stuff. > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 10:52:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QFq7Rh014941 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:52:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QFq7al014785; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:52:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QFpjpb044972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QFpi1s047986; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QFpYph047816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5426684A29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808C2848B1 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:51:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:51:05 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000901c63aec$8721a5e0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200602260217.k1Q2HDDP068906@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Cossack coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:52:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401CEA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Is Folkwear's Cossack pattern still available? In a word, no. Sigh. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 10:53:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QFr2F2014983 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:53:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QFr2X2024177; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:53:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QFqnp3045197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QFqnK9048893; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QFqj5i048861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:52:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 7A732D4333; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA36D432C for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:52:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:52:22 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000a01c63aec$b21596d0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200602260608.k1Q681WH028248@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Cossack coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401CEDE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Do you mean like the 60's type coat that I remember Barbie dolls wearing? Nope, I mean the original. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 11:29:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QGTiIW016447 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:29:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QGTimR028333; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:29:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QGTAUv050923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QGT8jx077550; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QGT4Oi077471 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.72]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060226162859.XSWP11322.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:28:59 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060226102556.0266abb0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:28:54 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams In-Reply-To: <200602261555.k1QFtdeM051047@net.indra.com> References: <200602261555.k1QFtdeM051047@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:29:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401D778.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Suzi. I would appreciate it. Beth >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:10:34 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke > >I have a net Spencer from about the same sort of date. Probably >English, but I seem to remember that the seams were "finished". Some >were bound, I'm sure. Would you like me to look it out and check. If >they are french seams I could photograph it for you. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 11:59:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QGxLHu017162 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:59:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QGxLmL006000; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:59:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QGwnJY054281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:58:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QGwmH9000701; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1QGwiGZ000632 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:58:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 11763 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 16:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.226 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 16:58:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060226165330.01dd4e78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:55:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060226102556.0266abb0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200602261555.k1QFtdeM051047@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060226102556.0266abb0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:59:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401DE69.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:28 26/02/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Suzi. I would appreciate it. > >Beth > >>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:10:34 +0000 >>From: Suzi Clarke >> >>I have a net Spencer from about the same sort of date. Probably >>English, but I seem to remember that the seams were "finished". Some >>were bound, I'm sure. Would you like me to look it out and check. If >>they are french seams I could photograph it for you. >> >>Suzi I cannot seem to get mail to your private address. And this list does not allow pictures. Please mail me off list so I can send pix when I have taken them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 12:07:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QH7l5K017436 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:07:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QH7lJw008766; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:07:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QH7OXe055402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QH7LEu007322; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QFtV8n050941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id CD46E84A42; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FCD84A29 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:55:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:55:08 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000b01c63aed$1542d740$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200602260608.k1Q681WH028248@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1QFtV8n050941 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Cossack coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:07:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401E063.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Watch it! I made one of those! It was dark gray wool, had princess seams, and I put a real >Persian lamb collar on it. No worries, Ann. I plan to make mine from dark chocolate cashmere and mink on the collar. I have a lovely black mink and sable fur hat, round crown and big brim, that looks vaguely Russian or Mongolian, so I would like to build a coat to go with it. I wear the hat all the time in the winter. Very warm. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 12:08:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QH8BfQ017450 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:08:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QH8BOU004240; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:08:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QH7Zp9055454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QH7Zmq007533; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QGSmJa077328 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0538517F38 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:28:48 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.165255 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5EAdc/PzNblAIAAAAB,21c165c83368e2e846bf13b476139ce8 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.66.31] Message-Id: <20060226082847.23B117B9@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:08:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401E07B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry about the late reply. You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture by clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see details by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=elizabeth&object=404444&row=4&detail=magnify Hope this helps. Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "Becky" wrote: Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are attached. There is no strap showing. Is the pearl necklace in her bodice or is it attached to the edges of a very translarent partlet? One description said the beading trim was attached to the under layer. What under layer? Was it attached to a chemise or smock? I don't see any of it except for the poofs of white. I found a pdf of the costume by Nina ????. It has a white chemise with blackwork on it as suggested undergarments. Is this right? I don't know. Since she does so much research and garb work, I assume she knows what she is talking about in this portrait. Is she wearing earrings or is the trim on her hood? I found the perfect cloth that is the same color and pattern in the portrait. That was a big start on the costume. I don't know if i can find gfabric for the front and undersleeves. I guess I could embroider it myself. I'd rather not have to do that much work by hand. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 12:24:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QHOExG017835 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:24:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QHOEP7015030; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:24:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QHNrHY057113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QHNqW8019939; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QHNmp8019815 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.22b.7281b9f (15700) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d544401e419165; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060226055533.23B10880@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060226055533.23B10880@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: <5f275b8140eee40386fdb89899dc2e6e@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:36 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:24:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401E43E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1QHOExG017835 Status: RO Ladies, It seems that with all this talent and frustration, it is time for a true "real size" and quality oriented person to start a business that caters to the "one- size doesn't fit all" group. If women knew there was quality and fit, as well as style available, don't you think they would respond favorably and make someone happy as well as rich?! Ebay comes to mind as an inexpensive marketing tool to reach the masses. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > One of the things that frustrates me, is that clothing > designers/manufacturers ( at least here in Australia ) generally don't > seem to realise that plus sized women are *not* all the same SHAPE. > The mainstream plus size fashion available here seems to be designed > for the women who because of their weight are 'tubular' or > straight-up-and-down. ( I know that there are some companies in the US > who have designs that suit different shapes - don't you love the Web? > ) This is why I tend to live in trousers and stretch fabric shirts. If > I manage to find a button up shirt that goes over my bottom half, it > is usually far, far too big around the chest and under the arms. ( I > am much larger around the bottom than the top. ) With t-shirts, > strangely enough, this doesn't seem to be a problem. > > And even when ( if get my act together ) I get back to the size I > should be, I'll be a size 16-18, 70-80kgs, and will probably have to > resort to size 20 for long sleeved shirts. ( I am tall, long armed and > long legged. As a girl in highschool, I had to wear boys white > long-sleeved shirts - eg mens business shirts -for my winter uniform, > as the ones for girls weren't long enough in the arms for me. Oddly, > this didn't bother me as much as the fact that at about age 14 I had > to get boys black lace-up shoes - the ones I liked which were styled > for girls weren't made to womens' size 10. I still have shoe > issues..... ) > > Another favourite gripe of mine is the higher-end Australian plus-size > designer whose sizes are 1-2 sizes smaller than reality. And this > woman is a plus size herself now, which is why she started her fashion > business. > > Joannah > > ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ > > > --- "Five Rivers Chapmanry" wrote: > > Kimiko, > > Ah! Another square peg! How delightful! > > You're on the petite end; I'm on the Rubenesque end. When I walk > into a Penningtons or any other plus size store, I get so frustrated > with > the designers of these clothes trying to shove large ladies into > mini-skirts > and tubular trousers, skirts and dresses. Have they ever looked at the > women > for whom they're designing? We're not tubular! No way. No how. > Consequently > a woman comes out with clothes that are either too baggy or too tight > so > that she looks either like a clown or a tart. Neither of these are > looks I'm > going for. > > And if I purchase a blazer for $100.00+, I want it to be lined, > thank you, with more than a serged seam and buttons that fall off > after the > first wearing, and not to be made of polyester so that when a hot > flash hits > I don't feel like I'm wearing a plastic bag. > > Consequently the current 'dress' jacket I'm making myself has been > on the embroidery frame for several months now, based on an early 18th > century men's frock coat, but with straight sleeves, made of ivory > silk/wool > twill and embroidered with rust/orange and real gold. It will take me > the > rest of the year to finish, but when I do I will have an original > garment > that will be timeless and last me at least a decade, especially given > the > few number of special functions I attend. > > And then I'll spend most of April in the studio making myself a > series of new summer dresses (I've lost 30 pounds and am counting) > because > the old ones are either worn or too big. Simple cottons, a bit of > beading, a > bit of trim. Voila. > > Then come September I'm probably going to have to make some new > winter trousers and shirts, with the hope I've lost more weight and > will > need a new wardrobe. And these will wear very well. Unlike the stupid > cords > I purchased from Penningtons. Argh. > > Regards, > Lorina > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 13:20:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIK6nn020050 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:20:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIK4Lh000816; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:20:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QIJYDi061666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIJXXX053996; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIJUTv053848 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IVB00M4I484J700@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.72.227]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:19:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:19:16 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: [h-cost] RE: Cossack coat To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:20:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401F154.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You might try this place: _www.reconstructinghistory.com_ (http://www.reconstructinghistory.com) sells patterns, and they have a line of ones for Poland. The Giermak & Delia are now ready. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 13:42:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIg6VZ020705 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:42:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIg6Sp007624; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:42:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QIfsoR064054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIfqrT071285; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIfmTI071208 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AE55D972 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IVB000IG59J6X@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:41:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:41:43 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing In-reply-to: <20060226055533.23B10880@dm21.mta.everyone.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4401F667.1010606@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20060226055533.23B10880@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:42:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401F67E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yup... Coni Almaden-Crawford, at http://www.fashionpatterns.com/ gives seminars on patternmaking and draping and has a pattern line based on the figure of a mature woman. The seminar she gave here in Fresno was *really* informative, and I got a lot out of it (bought both her books, too). Roger Joannah Hansen wrote: >One of the things that frustrates me, is that clothing designers/manufacturers ( at least here in Australia ) generally don't seem to realise that plus sized women are *not* all the same SHAPE. The mainstream plus size fashion available here seems to be designed for the women who because of their weight are 'tubular' or straight-up-and-down. ( I know that there are some companies in the US who have designs that suit different shapes - don't you love the Web? ) This is why I tend to live in trousers and stretch fabric shirts. If I manage to find a button up shirt that goes over my bottom half, it is usually far, far too big around the chest and under the arms. ( I am much larger around the bottom than the top. ) With t-shirts, strangely enough, this doesn't seem to be a problem. > >And even when ( if get my act together ) I get back to the size I should be, I'll be a size 16-18, 70-80kgs, and will probably have to resort to size 20 for long sleeved shirts. ( I am tall, long armed and long legged. As a girl in highschool, I had to wear boys white long-sleeved shirts - eg mens business shirts -for my winter uniform, as the ones for girls weren't long enough in the arms for me. Oddly, this didn't bother me as much as the fact that at about age 14 I had to get boys black lace-up shoes - the ones I liked which were styled for girls weren't made to womens' size 10. I still have shoe issues..... ) > >Another favourite gripe of mine is the higher-end Australian plus-size designer whose sizes are 1-2 sizes smaller than reality. And this woman is a plus size herself now, which is why she started her fashion business. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 13:46:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIkfBF020855 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:46:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIkfMe008968; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:46:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QIkU9O064474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIkTp8074706; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIkQTb074645 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1CD10D8E for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:46:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060226101331.03769960@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:18:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] books In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060224185835.02699cc0@mail.alltel.net> <200602242027.15250.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:46:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401F791.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:03 PM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >The great thing about it is that it DOESN'T take much time because you >don't have to enter ALL the information on 99% of the books. It will look >them up for you! All I've needed to type in is the titles, and it pulls >them right up. The same goes for Book Collector; you just enter the ISBN number if the book has one, and it does the search. You can even chose which online sources it pulls info from. For example, if you lived in France, you could chose the French amazon.com for info, while I do the American one. I can put in personal notes, synopsis, how much it cost me, where I bought it from, how much it is currently worth, have I read it or not, who has borrowed it, what kind of review rank I want to give the book, different categories, does it have a dust jacket or CD or what have you, and even customizable info that I chose. Lots of info, about half of it pulled in from whatever online sources are available, and the rest filled in by me. In some ways it may be an overload of info, but I rather like that. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 13:46:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIkhx1020857 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:46:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QIkhWu020381; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:46:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QIkVS4064485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIkVxP074737; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QIkRS6074655 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CA810DC5 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:46:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060226103400.037696d0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:38:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost]was Re:patterns now clothing and shoes In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c63a78$eb7556a0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:46:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4401F793.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:28 PM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >It's the Medieval Conference at Kalamazoo that gives me the most >problems. Every other place I sell books, I'm wearing medieval or >Renaissance SCA clothes, but there modern clothing is all I've ever >seen. Some of the participants (professors who already have tenure?) slum >it in jeans and tee shirts but since there is a lot of professional >networking going on, most dress better than that. Trying to find clothes >that look somewhat professional, that I can work in all day, with >variations for unpredictable climatic conditions (one year it was up to 90 >on the first week of May) and that I already own makes me crazy! It's so >much easier to dress in costume! > >Janet Hi Janet, I am not sure if it would work for you, but I am remembering seeing Prof. Tara McGinnis at Costume College for her lecture on photography and costumes. She was dressed in a nice black frock-coat with a white shirt I think, and dark pants, with her hair pulled back a bit, iirc. It was that coat that was just the perfect period accent to an otherwise modern getup. I have her photo around here somewhere, but not online. And just in writing this, I may have to make something similar for myself, although frock coats are not my period. hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 14:50:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QJoZEq023074 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:50:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QJoZw5028308; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QJo7vv071225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QJo5Yq021034; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QJo20l020970 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25331 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:21:51 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:21:50 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]was Re:patterns now clothing and shoes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:50:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402068B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > It's the Medieval Conference at Kalamazoo that gives me the most > problems. Every other place I sell books, I'm wearing medieval or > Renaissance SCA clothes, but there modern clothing is all I've ever > seen. Some of the participants (professors who already have tenure?) > slum it in jeans and tee shirts but since there is a lot of > professional networking going on, most dress better than that. In my experience, most of the people in jeans and tee shirts are (a) graduate students, (b) spouses, (c) hobbyists/independents such as SCA members, (d) vendors, and (e) local residents (who, I believe, are allowed free attendance to the conference). Not to say that all of these people wear jeans and t-shirts -- not at all -- but that if you see that look, it's almost certainly on one of these. The overwhelming majority of faculty members wear "nice casual." For the women, that's casual dresses, or slacks or skirts with blouses/sweaters. A sizable number of the men wear ties, often with casual jackets; suits are rarer. People who are presenting papers often dress up more on their presentation day. I have always made it a point to dress on the nicer end because, as an independent scholar, I needed to send signals that would suggest "I'm here on business" rather than "I'm just here for fun" -- and my hair is distinctly nonprofessional and nonconservative, so I have to balance it! I wear casual dresses with cardigans, skirts and sweaters or shells with blazers, and often a suit when I present papers or preside over sessions. Because I work at home, conference wear is the closest thing I have to office clothes. I try to sew a new outfit or two each year so I'm not always showing up in the same clothes every time, but I confess there are certain packable outfits that end up in my Kalamazoo suitcase year after year. This year I have a new dress half-finished and a vest-and-skirt outfit partly cut out. We'll see if either of them get done before the Congress -- I have a lot of other things to do in the next two months. About that vest-and-skirt outfit: I am tempted to cut the skirt as culottes, so I can use a line I heard by Shelly Nordtorp-Madson years ago. She stood up in front of a room full of mixed British and American costume scholars and said "Since I'm going to be addressing the issue of terminology, I was tempted to dress for this paper in knickers and a vest." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 15:11:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKBIlV023672 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:11:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKBHVM001579; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:11:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QKAjD1073521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QKAiEr035711; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:10:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QKAerk035628 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:10:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25550 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:42:30 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:42:29 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified In-Reply-To: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:11:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44020B66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Kathy Page wrote: > I think that's it for now, I hope I have taken care of the immediate > burning questions. I so far have approximate yardage requirements and > cutting layouts scribbled out. Next will be to stew the rest of the > information into something more palatable and to make mock ups to > confirm my theories. Once that's done... I'll be ready to start > writing it into a final finding paper. :-D Which you will be presenting ... where? A broad hit brought to you by the organizer of the "Dress and Textiles" track at the International Congress on Medieval Studies at Kalamazoo. (And yes, it's a very good idea to present before you publish. It's like a first layer of peer review.) --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 15:15:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKFugT023806 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:15:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKFubm002927; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:15:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QKFSk5073982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:15:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QKFRvt039160; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1QKFNhI039095 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28186 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 20:13:35 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:13:35 -0800 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:16:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1151.67.169.138.79.1140985010.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060225195016.28672.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:16:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear, Demystified From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:15:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44020C7C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Okay, the cool stuff everyone has been looking forward > to: Underwear Mythbusting. Kathy, I finally was able to look at the pictures on Bella's website and see what you were talking about in your post. How totally cool that you were able to find out this info for yourself but also share it with us! Thanks! And I will certainly buy your book when it comes out ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 15:24:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKOCsK024011 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:24:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKOCll005330; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:24:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QKNwCI075042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QKNvq2045552; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QKNq6Y045474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id A2E1984A7A; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB4484A62 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:23:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:23:23 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000301c63b12$912e2b50$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200602261900.k1QJ09h1085675@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1QKNq6Y045474 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Cossack coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:24:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44020E6C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Katheryne, Yep, know Reconstructing History very well. We carry Kass's line of patterns in our online catalogue. :-) Failing all else, I'll use the kontusz for the Cossack coat. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 15:49:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKnI6W024815 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:49:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QKnIDK012149; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:49:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QKmnQ2077540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QKmn5c063783; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QKmjDN063715 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:48:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from argenthal@comcast.net) Received: from COMPUTER (c-69-142-192-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net[69.142.192.249]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060226204839m13002jmnme>; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:48:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c63b16$04725980$f9c08e45@COMPUTER> From: "Valerie Frank" To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:48:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cossack Coat and other topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:49:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402144E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1QKnI6W024815 Status: RO Have you looked at Vogue 1266 or 7979 for your coat pattern? For something to wear at Kalamazoo--how about one of Reconstructing History's Elizabethan jackets over a pair of pants? Speaking of square pegs--I'm just over 5'2'' and most of the 35 excess pounds I carry are in the mid section. What fits in the waist is way too big elsewhere. Oh to be a pear rather than an apple, life would be much easier. My other pet peeve with current fashion is the lack of reasonably priced clothes for older women. My Mom is 88 yrs old and about 100 lbs. Try finding something petite enough but still covered up. A lot of her older friends have problems finding dresses with sleeves and longer skirts. I think there is a real niche market there as more and more people are living active lives into there 80's and 90's. Anna von Argenthal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 18:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QN76nx028380 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:07:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QN75Xi020062; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:07:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QN53rG095660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QN510u074136; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QN4vLZ074029 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2FC15C0B0E; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:00:12 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, Demystified Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:04:58 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c63b29$10995520$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060226060749.98781.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:08 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, Demystified Sharon, I believe that the Realm of Venus website has a couple of the photos scanned from these books: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd by Janet Arnold The History of Underclothes by Cunnington (a husband and wife team) There are a couple of other smaller publications as well, one in German I believe. I have literally hundreds of photos of this collection, but since I intend to publish at some point, I am confined by their copyright. Until I know exactly what their limits are, I can't show off my new prized possessions. I am hoping I can draw images from the photos to avoid copyright chaos. I plan on contacting their images department to sort that out soon. Kathy > Having recently joined the group, Where can I see > pics of this underwear? Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It's never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 18:45:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QNjSSt029280 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:45:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QNjSf4030743; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:45:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QNjDVE099734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:45:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QNjBUL002275; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QNj7aG002117 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.23f.79d97ba (57317) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:44:57 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <23f.79d97ba.31339779@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:44:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:45:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44023D98.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO obviously doens't apply to all, but bravissimo in the UK (bras in cups D and above) have been doing clothing for a while now, and their suits are a godsend if you're of ample bosom(!!!), and have the old 'if it fits on the waist it gapes over the chesr' thing. They come in normal sizes, with an extra sizing of curvy and super curvy, dependant on cup size. I just wish they'd expand the normal sizes they cover up a bit (I'm about the top end, and I'm only a UK size 16, (not counting chest!) so not *that* huge. but it the things that really irritate me (probably in equal measure) is the assumption that if you get bigger, you somehow magically get taller too; and the retailers that stop at a size 14UK (or who think that a size 12UK is 'large'). debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 18:52:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QNqjfP029467 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:52:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QNqj8n000311; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:52:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1QNqPcL000375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QNqOeo006861; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1QNqIZL006794 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46154 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 23:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.226 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 23:52:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060226235001.01d78fd8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:52:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing In-Reply-To: <23f.79d97ba.31339779@aol.com> References: <23f.79d97ba.31339779@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:52:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44023F4D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:44 26/02/2006, you wrote: >obviously doens't apply to all, but bravissimo in the UK (bras in cups D and >above) have been doing clothing for a while now, and their suits are >a godsend >if you're of ample bosom(!!!), and have the old 'if it fits on the waist it >gapes over the chesr' thing. > >They come in normal sizes, with an extra sizing of curvy and super curvy, >dependant on cup size. I just wish they'd expand the normal sizes >they cover up >a bit (I'm about the top end, and I'm only a UK size 16, (not >counting chest!) >so not *that* huge. > >but it the things that really irritate me (probably in equal measure) is the >assumption that if you get bigger, you somehow magically get taller too; and >the retailers that stop at a size 14UK (or who think that a size 12UK is >'large'). I am always cutting 6" off the bottoms of things because I am an American size 20/22, and only 5'4", not the Amazonian height Debs complains of. Also I don't have huge shoulders, just 'cos I take a D cup!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 19:55:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R0tAUj031203 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:55:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R0t9qR019196; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:55:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R0snnc007227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R0slRV051708; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R0sgOr051603 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1fb.1ad58400 (15888) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-R09 (mblk-r09.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.200]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e1044024dc66; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:54:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:54:30 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8094F800BD27E-D0-1583F@MBLK-R09.sysops.aol.com> From: annbwass@aol.com References: <200602260608.k1Q681WH028248@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060226072120.028bd9d0@mail.alltel.net> Received: from 64.45.150.74 by MBLK-R09.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.200) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:54:29 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060226072120.028bd9d0@mail.alltel.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:55:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44024DED.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry I don't remember for sure which collection it was. I think it was American, but am not sure. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Beth and Bob Matney To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:33:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French seams Thank you. That is earlier than I have been able to find also. What country was the garment from? While I'm glad to see an attempt at finishing raw edges and seams in SCA costuming, almost no one seems (pun, sorry) to do period appropriate finishes... even if they stitch it by hand. Beth At 12:08 AM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 >From: annbwass@aol.com > >I have seen one on an early 19th century (probably 1805-1820) sheer >fabric. Frankly, I was surprised--didn't expect it even that early. > >Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 21:09:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R29sMl000580 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:09:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R29srW010943; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R29DW6015302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:09:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R29Ado010849; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R296Uv010758 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.299.63027c4 (15877) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d33 (mblk-d33.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.217]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0544025f3a142; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:08:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:08:58 -0500 From: annbwass@aol.com Message-Id: <8C80959E77B2B24-1E30-4E3A@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 64.45.150.74 by mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.217) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:08:58 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <000b01c63aed$1542d740$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Cossack coat MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.217 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:09:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44025F72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, mine was really something. The lining was a (GASP!) gray cable pattern bonded knit--I think I chose that primarily for low cost, but also for warmth. The only thing that would have been worse is if it had been maxi length. -----Original Message----- From: Five Rivers Chapmanry To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:55:08 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] RE: Cossack coat >Watch it! I made one of those! It was dark gray wool, had princess seams, and I put a real >Persian lamb collar on it. No worries, Ann. I plan to make mine from dark chocolate cashmere and mink on the collar. I have a lovely black mink and sable fur hat, round crown and big brim, that looks vaguely Russian or Mongolian, so I would like to build a coat to go with it. I wear the hat all the time in the winter. Very warm. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 21:28:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R2Sm5b001058 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:28:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R2Sm12016954; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:28:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R2SX5g018308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R2SV8c025834; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R2SQOZ025759 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 46D0533A27 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:28:25 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:28:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060226082847.23B117B9@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:28:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440263E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is great! She's wearing a gold bracelet on her left wrist.You can barely see it. And from the way the wrist opening is painted you can tell that the white puffs on the false sleeve is not the chemise sleeve. Most excellent find. Thank you! De -----Original Message----- Sorry about the late reply. You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture by clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see details by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=elizabeth&o bject=404444&row=4&detail=magnify Hope this helps. Joannah ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 26 22:50:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R3oeNH003160 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:50:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R3od0h010631; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:50:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R3oJ17028389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R3oH7P088874; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from agamemnon.concentric.com (agamemnon.concentric.com [207.155.252.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R3oCij088776 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from julie (66-105-235-4.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.4]) by agamemnon.concentric.com id WAA09898; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:49:50 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:49:41 -0800 Message-ID: <003301c63b50$e12971d0$14eb6942@julie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200602251757.k1PHviKG001062@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 thread-index: AcY6NUAdvw5/Ra3WTBed/R7HAOGogABGtaWw X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:50:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402770F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- > > I don't need an insurance inventory, fortunately! Well, everybody might need to claim insurance some day. My in-laws' house burned down in the firestorm in the East Bay some years ago, and it turned out their policy required listing every single item they wanted to claim, down to the skillets and the towels--along with current values. I'm well aware how much work that is, because I did most of it. I'd like to second that. I learned that hard lesson after the San Diego fires in 2003. The insurance company expected us to list each and every item we'd lost AND give them an idea of what they were worth. They also wanted to see the burned carcasses or photos of same. They had a hard time believing $1000 for a tent and hundreds for period camping furniture. Fortunately the books weren't touched. Julie in Ramona/San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 00:06:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R56vrR005188 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:06:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R56vYP032562; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:07:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R56RxA038437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:06:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R56O4r048944; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:06:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R56LrI048837 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.204.118be823 (15700) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d54440288c338b; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:06:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060226235001.01d78fd8@127.0.0.1> References: <23f.79d97ba.31339779@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060226235001.01d78fd8@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:06:10 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:07:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440288F1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1R56vrR005188 Status: RO Ditto-but I am 5'2" Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: >> > > I am always cutting 6" off the bottoms of things because I am an > American size 20/22, and only 5'4", not the Amazonian height Debs > complains of. Also I don't have huge shoulders, just 'cos I take a D > cup!! > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 00:53:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R5ruPM006403 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:53:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R5ruGP013212; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R5rYh5043195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R5rY0Y081815; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52113.mail.yahoo.com (web52113.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1R5rVLw081718 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 29720 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2006 05:53:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Wz2xnwVDlFBRbYHLZKPI64wlm2LYg0gqefLEK/DSvmvSUw0/EDgHN2j2foU3vI9VK+9Yk9jhLVjbGOgdBHlXGLm7PEBR/a2LXA7ZhA6WnY5+8rcqtoMkugXOuQpNrfvBBrf0mJQcyuN60AbAvw/VhIDK9zvZE9m/qE2V01RVxLA= ; Message-ID: <20060227055326.29718.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52113.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:53:26 EST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:53:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602270506.k1R56PVr048955@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, Demystified X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:53:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440293F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well.... frankly, since this is my first crack at the really serious, I know what I'd *like* to do with it just not quite sure how to achieve the goal. That's kinda where my mentor steps in and starts pointing in the right directions. *grins big at Susan* Hope your cat herding skills are sharp. ;-) I want to start smaller first; I have my Bocksten Bog Man paper written a couple years ago that I would like to modify into publishable format through TI or CA (SCA publications for those not involved in the group) and see if hard core editing of my blood sweat and tears is something I can handle. I also need a fast and dirty lesson or two on publishing issues and copyright laws. That is a completely foreign language to me. The Met are aware of my goals and weren't shocked by them, which is a positive step in the right direction. I have little clue what K'zoo will expect out of a presentation - but yes, that is one of my goals. I've already been told that going just as a spectator to get a grip of how things are done first is my best bet, so I hope to wind up there this year. By that time, I should be part way through stewing this stuff into something palatable and still able to modify the current draft to better fit expectations. I should know if I am able to present at the following year right about the time you are organising things. :-) Ultimately, I do want this published so that those who can't necessarily see this stuff in person can run with it based on clinical evidence. Once that's done... I'll be > ready to start > > writing it into a final finding paper. :-D > > Which you will be presenting ... where? > (And yes, it's a very good idea to present before > you publish. It's like a > first layer of peer review.) I giggled like a school girl when I read this. That is the best encouragement I could get. *big grin* > And I will certainly buy your book when it comes out > ;~> Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 01:12:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R6CNpj006926 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:12:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R6CNAC018991; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:12:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R6BrfQ045300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R6BoDh094409; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R6BkFo094353 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FDbbl-0006N7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:11:45 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060227000140.02f8bb20@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:11:19 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> References: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: sizing/quality of clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:12:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44029847.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm on the other end - plus size but tall (5' 11"). If it comes in talls, it only goes to U.S. size 16 or 18. Almost none of the plus sizes come in talls. In fact, they're often shorter in arm and leg than non-plus sizes, and the armholes are so big they cover half the bust as well. Which means when you raise your arm, the whole thing hikes up. Then with the obsession with putting spandex in everything, and cutting it shorter in the hem as well, leaves me with midriff tops that show every bulge. Yuck!! I was SO happy when my workplace went to casual dress. I now live in knit pants and either T-shirts, polo shirts, or sweatshirts, depending on weather. We may even wear shorts in summer. I own 'one' pair of jeans, and that purchased only recently when I found a catalog that had Plus Talls. I buy men's coats and casual shirts to get the length. I do wish that there was SOMETHING available that was stylish and comfortable for us plus sizes. I don't make everyday clothes because I sew very slowly and barely get the needed costumes done. Thanks for listening to my rant. Sandy At 11:06 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:44:57 EST >From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing > >but it the things that really irritate me (probably in equal measure) is the >assumption that if you get bigger, you somehow magically get taller too; and >the retailers that stop at a size 14UK (or who think that a size 12UK is >'large'). > >debs > >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing > >I am always cutting 6" off the bottoms of things because I am an >American size 20/22, and only 5'4", not the Amazonian height Debs >complains of. Also I don't have huge shoulders, just 'cos I take a D cup!! > >Suzi "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 01:32:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R6WahX007419 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:32:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R6WaUf023947; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:32:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R6WMZD046788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R6WKBh007432; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:32:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R6WGgA007383 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FDbvb29kd-0004FB; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:32:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01b601c63b67$90014370$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060227000140.02f8bb20@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing/quality of clothing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:32:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:32:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44029D04.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sandy, I hear you girl! I wear a 14 or 16 depending on the cut. I am 5' 10". I have been buying men's pants and shirts for years. You can dress them up to make them look feminine. Women's pants are too short in length and the sleeves are too short. The other day I heard on a fashion show that 12 is considered a plus size. I think I was born a size 12 in clothing and shoes. Actually I crammed my feet into size 10 until a few years. Now I could find size 12 shoes at places like DSW. Most people look at me and think or ask if I wear a size 0 or 2. I am not round but wide and thin. I weigh the most I have every weighed and people still think I am underweight. My 5 y.o. granddaughter is going to have the same problem. She has my long legs and arms. Tonight I pulled her pants up because they were falling off of her. She said, "Grandma, I can never get pants to work right. They are either too short or too big in the waist." Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 03:22:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R8M82c028344 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:22:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1R8M8KW023175; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:22:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R8KX7x058245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R8JJMt083231; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1R8JExo083187 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52544 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.226 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 08:19:13 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060227081537.01df0878@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:18:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sizing/quality of clothing In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060227000140.02f8bb20@pop.radiks.net> References: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060227000140.02f8bb20@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:22:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402B6B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:11 27/02/2006, you wrote: >I'm on the other end - plus size but tall (5' 11"). If it comes in >talls, it only goes to U.S. size 16 or 18. Almost none of the plus >sizes come in talls. In fact, they're often shorter in arm and leg >than non-plus sizes, and the armholes are so big they cover half the >bust as well. Which means when you raise your arm, the whole thing >hikes up. Then with the obsession with putting spandex in >everything, and cutting it shorter in the hem as well, leaves me >with midriff tops that show every bulge. Yuck!! This is why I buy clothes whenever I get to the U.S. I like big armholes. Maybe we should swap, Sandy, and you come and buy the clothes here that I find too long, with small armholes!! Mind you trying to get knit pants here is like finding the Holy Grail - you kinda feel they are out there .............. >I was SO happy when my workplace went to casual dress. I now live >in knit pants and either T-shirts, polo shirts, or sweatshirts, >depending on weather. We may even wear shorts in summer. I own >'one' pair of jeans, and that purchased only recently when I found a >catalog that had Plus Talls. I buy men's coats and casual shirts to >get the length. I do wish that there was SOMETHING available that >was stylish and comfortable for us plus sizes. I don't make >everyday clothes because I sew very slowly and barely get the needed >costumes done. > >Thanks for listening to my rant. > >Sandy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 05:04:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RA4ZtO016767 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:04:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RA4Zh6021306; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RA10Gi086885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RA0wCR051963; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RA0tgK051919 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2475d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.93]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 45E0047FE98 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:00:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009601c63b84$bf000810$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <019a01c6383f$df434260$e100a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20060224134405.01d67f68@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:01:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:04:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402CEB3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Sue, I just got back from an event and the book was waiting for me when i got home. It is a lovely lovely book, and i will get many ideas from this. The best of the whole book is for me the embroidered mittens, i want to copy these............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] A book for Bjarne, and other 18th century embroiderers!! > > I have just received the most wonderful book from Amazon. "18th Century > Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh, (ISBN 1 86108 476 5) and am drooling > as I type. > > The pictures are clear, and there are diagrams. It includes silk > embroidery, metal thread and spangles, whitework, quilting, tambour and > chain, crewel and novelty threads,Hollie Point and knotting!! > > I know there will be other list members interested. > > I'm back to my cup of tea and the book. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 05:10:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RAAKJI018431 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:10:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RAAKpE022907; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:10:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RA7ei3088167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RA7Gc9056219; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:07:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RA6XuU055665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:07:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 993AED4165; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E84D4119 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:06:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:06:05 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c63b85$7fcb0ae0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Cossack Coat and other topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:10:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402D00C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think the Vogue 1266 might just do the ticket. Thanks kindly for that, Anna. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 07:39:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RCdTu9017181 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:39:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RCdSNI000610; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:39:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RCd2jq006908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:39:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RCd0nH081388; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RCcwHu081362 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4163FF6F for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:38:57 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.17eb48 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:38:57 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5EAvLhonRZugIAAAAB,5be9e33b1457604dbdb87ac8e94fac9d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:38:57 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.66.31] Message-Id: <20060227043857.23B1BCB8@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:39:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402F301.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO <--- rwfranz wrote: < ) ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 07:41:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RCfi9h017239 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:41:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RCfiPK001398; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:41:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RCfTLj007118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RCfTWL083188; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RCfQXx083154 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FAA40335 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:41:26 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.17eaec for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:41:25 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5EAvN14wYfLAIAAAAB,06e0d785a1588a5ccacac486a96f842f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.66.31] Message-Id: <20060227044125.23B1BC5C@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1RCfQXx083154 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:41:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4402F388.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've thought about it, often. Joannah. ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- Susan Data-Samtak wrote: Ladies, It seems that with all this talent and frustration, it is time for a true "real size" and quality oriented person to start a business that caters to the "one- size doesn't fit all" group. If women knew there was quality and fit, as well as style available, don't you think they would respond favorably and make someone happy as well as rich?! Ebay comes to mind as an inexpensive marketing tool to reach the masses. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > One of the things that frustrates me, is that clothing > designers/manufacturers ( at least here in Australia ) generally don't > seem to realise that plus sized women are *not* all the same SHAPE. > The mainstream plus size fashion available here seems to be designed > for the women who because of their weight are 'tubular' or > straight-up-and-down. ( I know that there are some companies in the US > who have designs that suit different shapes - don't you love the Web? > ) This is why I tend to live in trousers and stretch fabric shirts. If > I manage to find a button up shirt that goes over my bottom half, it > is usually far, far too big around the chest and under the arms. ( I > am much larger around the bottom than the top. ) With t-shirts, > strangely enough, this doesn't seem to be a problem. > > And even when ( if get my act together ) I get back to the size I > should be, I'll be a size 16-18, 70-80kgs, and will probably have to > resort to size 20 for long sleeved shirts. ( I am tall, long armed and > long legged. As a girl in highschool, I had to wear boys white > long-sleeved shirts - eg mens business shirts -for my winter uniform, > as the ones for girls weren't long enough in the arms for me. Oddly, > this didn't bother me as much as the fact that at about age 14 I had > to get boys black lace-up shoes - the ones I liked which were styled > for girls weren't made to womens' size 10. I still have shoe > issues..... ) > > Another favourite gripe of mine is the higher-end Australian plus-size > designer whose sizes are 1-2 sizes smaller than reality. And this > woman is a plus size herself now, which is why she started her fashion > business. > > Joannah > > ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ > > > --- "Five Rivers Chapmanry" wrote: > > Kimiko, > > Ah! Another square peg! How delightful! > > You're on the petite end; I'm on the Rubenesque end. When I walk > into a Penningtons or any other plus size store, I get so frustrated > with > the designers of these clothes trying to shove large ladies into > mini-skirts > and tubular trousers, skirts and dresses. Have they ever looked at the > women > for whom they're designing? We're not tubular! No way. No how. > Consequently > a woman comes out with clothes that are either too baggy or too tight > so > that she looks either like a clown or a tart. Neither of these are > looks I'm > going for. > > And if I purchase a blazer for $100.00+, I want it to be lined, > thank you, with more than a serged seam and buttons that fall off > after the > first wearing, and not to be made of polyester so that when a hot > flash hits > I don't feel like I'm wearing a plastic bag. > > Consequently the current 'dress' jacket I'm making myself has been > on the embroidery frame for several months now, based on an early 18th > century men's frock coat, but with straight sleeves, made of ivory > silk/wool > twill and embroidered with rust/orange and real gold. It will take me > the > rest of the year to finish, but when I do I will have an original > garment > that will be timeless and last me at least a decade, especially given > the > few number of special functions I attend. > > And then I'll spend most of April in the studio making myself a > series of new summer dresses (I've lost 30 pounds and am counting) > because > the old ones are either worn or too big. Simple cottons, a bit of > beading, a > bit of trim. Voila. > > Then come September I'm probably going to have to make some new > winter trousers and shirts, with the hope I've lost more weight and > will > need a new wardrobe. And these will wear very well. Unlike the stupid > cords > I purchased from Penningtons. Argh. > > Regards, > Lorina > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 08:47:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RDlccU019213 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:47:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RDlcaX027339; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:47:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RDl01o013576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RDkw8W033677; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:46:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RDktm3033634 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566163FCE1 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:46:55 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.17f73e for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:46:55 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5EAwLPvgj59gIAAAAB,574791ab02a5a02ec43674716dc19d93 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:46:54 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.66.31] Message-Id: <20060227054655.23B1B744@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:47:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440302FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You're welcome. :-) Joannah. ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "otsisto" wrote: From: "otsisto" Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:28:31 -0600 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth This is great! She's wearing a gold bracelet on her left wrist.You can barely see it. And from the way the wrist opening is painted you can tell that the white puffs on the false sleeve is not the chemise sleeve. Most excellent find. Thank you! De -----Original Message----- Sorry about the late reply. You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture by clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see details by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=elizabeth&o bject=404444&row=4&detail=magnify Hope this helps. Joannah ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 10:26:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RFQOAx022447 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:26:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RFQOxV007733; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RFPkDP025983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RFPgP8010739; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+RG6vwBuJ8d4pz6eaNH0u3t3BCGYcbiQ4@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RFPMoB010399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1RFPJq9000469 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:25:19 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id k1RFPIAd000467 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:25:18 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:25:18 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: <20060227152517.GA32733@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:26:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44031A20.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Since there's been recent talk about people sewing for themselves, I thought I'd chime in with my two cents worth. My closet is full of tshirts, sweatpants and too few nice dress clothes. So far in my life I haven't had a job with any type of a dress code so it hasn't been an issue. However, at some point I probalby will. Besides, I've dresed this way for over 10 years and it's time for a change. I'm making my wardrobe because nothing in the stores ever fits across the shoulders. I'm in the process (trial and error) of altering a button up shirt pattern to fit well. I might have it after revision #5 or so! I'm also round in all the wrong places, even for plus sizes, so clothes don't fit other places, either. I'm going to incorporate historic elements into some of my outfits. I love the caraco jackets, and have to do something with them! I discovered that I like fitted, comfortable clothing that allows a full range of movement. So while my clothes won't be historic, they will be historically inspired. Happy fun times with adopting Civil War Era ball gowns to more everyday wear! Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 10:43:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RFhpUq022907 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:43:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RFhpIB015545; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:43:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RFhGnV029695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RFhC4o029273; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RFh45p029076 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:43:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD054065A for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:43:01 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43f782a0.7d8dc for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:43:01 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREAx4FQdJk6wIAAAAB,46cd639624264738f4731332cb92ad77 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.200] Message-Id: <20060227074301.7ED10233@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:43:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44031E37.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a plus size friend who can whip up a sideless surcote in a heartbeat. She makes them just below the knee and wears a blouse (or t-shirt) under it like a jumper. They look so good, I keep saying I am going to make some myself, but I never seem to get around to sewing for me. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com wrote: From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:25:18 -0600 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe Since there's been recent talk about people sewing for themselves, I thought I'd chime in with my two cents worth. My closet is full of tshirts, sweatpants and too few nice dress clothes. So far in my life I haven't had a job with any type of a dress code so it hasn't been an issue. However, at some point I probalby will. Besides, I've dresed this way for over 10 years and it's time for a change. I'm making my wardrobe because nothing in the stores ever fits across the shoulders. I'm in the process (trial and error) of altering a button up shirt pattern to fit well. I might have it after revision #5 or so! I'm also round in all the wrong places, even for plus sizes, so clothes don't fit other places, either. I'm going to incorporate historic elements into some of my outfits. I love the caraco jackets, and have to do something with them! I discovered that I like fitted, comfortable clothing that allows a full range of movement. So while my clothes won't be historic, they will be historically inspired. Happy fun times with adopting Civil War Era ball gowns to more everyday wear! Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 11:57:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RGvmj3025836 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:57:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RGvl5Y017635; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:57:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RGvE53040408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RGv7b5095480; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RGurmE095146 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1ab.4893a286 (15875) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0344032f3c2a6; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:56:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060227152517.GA32733@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <20060227152517.GA32733@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Message-Id: <996c7a05d67df9a0aad44a9f4a271cdf@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:56:27 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:57:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44032F8B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Every revolution starts with the first step. You go, girl! Let's see pictures when you finish. We all need inspiration. Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb Susan On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com wrote: > Since there's been recent talk about people sewing for themselves, I > thought I'd chime in with my two cents worth. My closet is full of > tshirts, > sweatpants and too few nice dress clothes. So far in my life I haven't > had a job with any type of a dress code so it hasn't been an issue. > However, at some point I probalby will. Besides, I've dresed this way > for > over 10 years and it's time for a change. > > I'm making my wardrobe because nothing in the stores ever fits across > the > shoulders. I'm in the process (trial and error) of altering a button > up > shirt pattern to fit well. I might have it after revision #5 or so! > > I'm also round in all the wrong places, even for plus sizes, so clothes > don't fit other places, either. > > I'm going to incorporate historic elements into some of my outfits. I > love the caraco jackets, and have to do something with them! I > discovered > that I like fitted, comfortable clothing that allows a full range of > movement. > So while my clothes won't be historic, they will be historically > inspired. > Happy fun times with adopting Civil War Era ball gowns to more > everyday wear! > > Kate > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 12:21:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RHL0EQ026617 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:21:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RHL0Gb028231; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:21:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RHK4DK043833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:20:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RHJwk4016618; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1RHJpgj016396 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 2449 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 17:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 17:19:45 -0000 Message-ID: <440334B5.1060107@fenris.net> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:19:49 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sizing/quality of clothing References: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060227000140.02f8bb20@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060227000140.02f8bb20@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:21:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440334FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yeah, me too. 5' 11" and a size 20-24 U.S. (depending) Info for those in the US: I have had good luck at Lane Bryant's - their shirts and blouses are dreadful, but I have two pair of jeans (in a regular length because I have relatively short legs) that contain some stretch. Their jeans also come in tall. The waist is lowered on everything, if I recall correctly. I have also managed to find some well-ade wool dress pants at Nordstrom's Rack (but it is very very hit or miss). liz young Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > I'm on the other end - plus size but tall (5' 11"). If it comes in > talls, it only goes to U.S. size 16 or 18. Almost none of the plus > sizes come in talls. > I own 'one' pair of jeans, and that purchased only recently when I > found a catalog that had Plus Talls. I buy men's coats and casual > shirts to get the length. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 15:53:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RKrMtC017039 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:53:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RKrM2d024473; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:53:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RKqkbk083517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RKqdDZ012117; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:52:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RKqNSx011779 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1e9.4ccf8cae (15888) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M18 (mblk-m18.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.51]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e104403667d28d; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:52:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:52:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8C809F6D1C6E409-7D8-48B5@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602261555.k1QFtdeN051047@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.51) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:52:13 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602261555.k1QFtdeN051047@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.51 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:corded corsets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440366C2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I made a corded corset (in fact, there used to be a picture of me on the website you referenced) using hemp cord and cotton duck, which is a type of canvas, and I don't remember that the cords shrank the pattern all that much. The only bad thing was that the first time I washed it, it smelled like ship rigging for a week! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 16:21:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RLL98t017939 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:21:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RLL9o1013983; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:21:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RLGcL2087779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RLGWVb036136; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RLGFSQ035854 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC66051BF0 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060227130542.03624648@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:09:16 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe In-Reply-To: <20060227152517.GA32733@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <20060227152517.GA32733@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:21:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44036D45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 07:25 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote: >I'm going to incorporate historic elements into some of my outfits. I >love the caraco jackets, and have to do something with them! I discovered >that I like fitted, comfortable clothing that allows a full range of movement. >So while my clothes won't be historic, they will be historically inspired. >Happy fun times with adopting Civil War Era ball gowns to more everyday wear! > >Kate Hi Kate, I am with you. I realized that while I like the look of Victorian jackets, I don't want to wear one over a corset all the time (it's ok for an all-Victorian event). So I am going to work on something inspired by them, with the back peplums and all, and hopefully make something historically inspired as well. I may even do something Renaissance inspired, but I'm not sure yet what. I think I will also add in hand embroidery or trimmings as well, to spice them up. And if you figure out how to adapt the CWera gowns to everyday wear, please let me know. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 16:21:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RLL9I1017938 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:21:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RLL9Re005215; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:21:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RLGTLR087751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RLGOPW036012; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RLGFFF035857 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9642D51BF2 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060227131037.03624270@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:11:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Cossack Coat and other topics In-Reply-To: <000001c63b85$7fcb0ae0$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> <000001c63b85$7fcb0ae0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:21:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44036D45.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:06 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote: > I think the Vogue 1266 might just do the ticket. Thanks kindly for >that, Anna. > >Regards, >Lorina Ooooooh... I like that. While I have a nice coat to wear, I may get the pattern for my stash anyway. Thanks for suggesting that one Anna. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 16:42:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RLgjkK018447 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:42:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RLgkMx014647; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:42:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RLXiSq090416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RLXbGW050738; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RLXVdE050537 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.251.71ae4e6 (16035) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D28 (fwm-d28.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.4]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea344036ef1cc; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:28:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:28:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8C809FBDBAE4BFD-16F0-4592@FWM-D28.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <20060227152517.GA32733@toysmakeuspowerful.com> <996c7a05d67df9a0aad44a9f4a271cdf@aol.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by FWM-D28.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.4) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:28:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <996c7a05d67df9a0aad44a9f4a271cdf@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.4 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:42:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44037256.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO way cool, be sure to post pictures theresa -----Original Message----- From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:56:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe Every revolution starts with the first step. You go, girl! Let's see pictures when you finish. We all need inspiration. Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb Susan On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com wrote: > Since there's been recent talk about people sewing for themselves, I > thought I'd chime in with my two cents worth. My closet is full of > tshirts, > sweatpants and too few nice dress clothes. So far in my life I haven't > had a job with any type of a dress code so it hasn't been an issue. > However, at some point I probalby will. Besides, I've dresed this way > for > over 10 years and it's time for a change. > > I'm making my wardrobe because nothing in the stores ever fits across > the > shoulders. I'm in the process (trial and error) of altering a button > up > shirt pattern to fit well. I might have it after revision #5 or so! > > I'm also round in all the wrong places, even for plus sizes, so clothes > don't fit other places, either. > > I'm going to incorporate historic elements into some of my outfits. I > love the caraco jackets, and have to do something with them! I > discovered > that I like fitted, comfortable clothing that allows a full range of > movement. > So while my clothes won't be historic, they will be historically > inspired. > Happy fun times with adopting Civil War Era ball gowns to more > everyday wear! > > Kate > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 17:48:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RMm4rw021520 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:48:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RMm4et007535; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:48:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RMkt2N003183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:46:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RMkhON021914; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RMkbTf021719 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.25b.7978f0c (15700) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d544403813a26c; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:46:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060227130542.03624648@64.87.54.245> References: <20060227152517.GA32733@toysmakeuspowerful.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060227130542.03624648@64.87.54.245> Message-Id: <4850360cb422cb722ea9a354c6ac7e6a@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:46:17 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:48:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440381A4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1RMm4rw021520 Status: RO Ladies, Let's see what every day wear you come up with that is "historically inspired". You will be great motivators to the rest of us. CW bodices could be a good choice, made with a little more "ease" than is historically accurate. The full sleeves would be pretty as well as easy to wear. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 27, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 07:25 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote: >> I'm going to incorporate historic elements into some of my outfits. I >> love the caraco jackets, and have to do something with them! I >> discovered >> that I like fitted, comfortable clothing that allows a full range of >> movement. >> So while my clothes won't be historic, they will be historically >> inspired. >> Happy fun times with adopting Civil War Era ball gowns to more >> everyday wear! >> >> Kate > > > Hi Kate, > > I am with you. I realized that while I like the look of Victorian > jackets, I don't want to wear one over a corset all the time (it's ok > for an all-Victorian event). So I am going to work on something > inspired by them, with the back peplums and all, and hopefully make > something historically inspired as well. I may even do something > Renaissance inspired, but I'm not sure yet what. I think I will also > add in hand embroidery or trimmings as well, to spice them up. > > And if you figure out how to adapt the CWera gowns to everyday wear, > please let me know. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 18:52:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RNqLr7023486 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RNqLXj031362; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:52:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RNg51L014096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RFn0dl034803; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RFm0eJ033948 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.156.609e6fbf (15899) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-3e1b44031f1f77; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:47:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060227044125.23B1BC5C@dm22.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060227044125.23B1BC5C@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: <5004d40e9bfa9ce2ec46a1e0fe131a2d@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:47:42 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:52:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 440390B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1RNqLr7023486 Status: RO Go for it Joannah! Seems you could start your clothing making business right here with this group. They would appreciate your skills in quality workmanship, as well. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > I've thought about it, often. > > Joannah. > > ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ > > > --- Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > Ladies, > > It seems that with all this talent and frustration, it is time for a > true "real size" and quality oriented person to start a business that > caters to the "one- size doesn't fit all" group. > If women knew there was quality and fit, as well as style available, > don't you think they would respond favorably and make someone happy as > well as rich?! > > Ebay comes to mind as an inexpensive marketing tool to reach the > masses. > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > >> One of the things that frustrates me, is that clothing >> designers/manufacturers ( at least here in Australia ) generally don't >> seem to realise that plus sized women are *not* all the same SHAPE. >> The mainstream plus size fashion available here seems to be designed >> for the women who because of their weight are 'tubular' or >> straight-up-and-down. ( I know that there are some companies in the US >> who have designs that suit different shapes - don't you love the Web? >> ) This is why I tend to live in trousers and stretch fabric shirts. If >> I manage to find a button up shirt that goes over my bottom half, it >> is usually far, far too big around the chest and under the arms. ( I >> am much larger around the bottom than the top. ) With t-shirts, >> strangely enough, this doesn't seem to be a problem. >> >> And even when ( if get my act together ) I get back to the size I >> should be, I'll be a size 16-18, 70-80kgs, and will probably have to >> resort to size 20 for long sleeved shirts. ( I am tall, long armed and >> long legged. As a girl in highschool, I had to wear boys white >> long-sleeved shirts - eg mens business shirts -for my winter uniform, >> as the ones for girls weren't long enough in the arms for me. Oddly, >> this didn't bother me as much as the fact that at about age 14 I had >> to get boys black lace-up shoes - the ones I liked which were styled >> for girls weren't made to womens' size 10. I still have shoe >> issues..... ) >> >> Another favourite gripe of mine is the higher-end Australian plus-size >> designer whose sizes are 1-2 sizes smaller than reality. And this >> woman is a plus size herself now, which is why she started her fashion >> business. >> >> Joannah >> >> ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. >> ~*~ >> >> >> --- "Five Rivers Chapmanry" wrote: >> >> Kimiko, >> >> Ah! Another square peg! How delightful! >> >> You're on the petite end; I'm on the Rubenesque end. When I walk >> into a Penningtons or any other plus size store, I get so frustrated >> with >> the designers of these clothes trying to shove large ladies into >> mini-skirts >> and tubular trousers, skirts and dresses. Have they ever looked at the >> women >> for whom they're designing? We're not tubular! No way. No how. >> Consequently >> a woman comes out with clothes that are either too baggy or too tight >> so >> that she looks either like a clown or a tart. Neither of these are >> looks I'm >> going for. >> >> And if I purchase a blazer for $100.00+, I want it to be lined, >> thank you, with more than a serged seam and buttons that fall off >> after the >> first wearing, and not to be made of polyester so that when a hot >> flash hits >> I don't feel like I'm wearing a plastic bag. >> >> Consequently the current 'dress' jacket I'm making myself has been >> on the embroidery frame for several months now, based on an early 18th >> century men's frock coat, but with straight sleeves, made of ivory >> silk/wool >> twill and embroidered with rust/orange and real gold. It will take me >> the >> rest of the year to finish, but when I do I will have an original >> garment >> that will be timeless and last me at least a decade, especially given >> the >> few number of special functions I attend. >> >> And then I'll spend most of April in the studio making myself a >> series of new summer dresses (I've lost 30 pounds and am counting) >> because >> the old ones are either worn or too big. Simple cottons, a bit of >> beading, a >> bit of trim. Voila. >> >> Then come September I'm probably going to have to make some new >> winter trousers and shirts, with the hope I've lost more weight and >> will >> need a new wardrobe. And these will wear very well. Unlike the stupid >> cords >> I purchased from Penningtons. Argh. >> >> Regards, >> Lorina >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 19:50:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S0o0ok025123 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:50:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S0nwbW019036; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:50:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S0nWGX024100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:49:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S0nUFS040136; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:49:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S0nR2D040002 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.12e.6fe1daef (15974) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-3e6644039e007b; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:49:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <440334B5.1060107@fenris.net> References: <200602270506.k1R56PVs048955@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060227000140.02f8bb20@pop.radiks.net> <440334B5.1060107@fenris.net> Message-Id: <702abd5583d41580ad4e3afef52645f6@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sizing/quality of clothing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:49:01 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:50:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44039E36.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1S0o0ok025123 Status: RO Thanks for the good Hunting SPots. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Elizabeth Young wrote: > Yeah, me too. 5' 11" and a size 20-24 U.S. (depending) > > Info for those in the US: > I have had good luck at Lane Bryant's - their shirts and blouses are > dreadful, but I have two pair of jeans (in a regular length because I > have relatively short legs) that contain some stretch. Their jeans > also come in tall. The waist is lowered on everything, if I recall > correctly. > I have also managed to find some well-ade wool dress pants at > Nordstrom's Rack (but it is very very hit or miss). > > liz young > > Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: >> I'm on the other end - plus size but tall (5' 11"). If it comes in >> talls, it only goes to U.S. size 16 or 18. Almost none of the plus >> sizes come in talls. > >> I own 'one' pair of jeans, and that purchased only recently when I >> found a catalog that had Plus Talls. I buy men's coats and casual >> shirts to get the length. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 22:49:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3nUOC028886 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:49:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3nTt2015799; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3n7hA046062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3n31V087300; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QNhkC3001217 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:43:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D93519D9 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:43:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060226153031.03593be0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:39:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:49:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403C849.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture by >clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see >details by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. > >http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=elizabeth&object=404444&row=4&detail=magnify > >Hope this helps. > >Joannah Thanks for sharing that link Joannah. It definitely helped me. <<--- "Becky" wrote: Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are attached. There is no strap showing. >> You know, I have pondered that very question for some time. I understand the kirtle being underneath and the jewels perhaps being attached to it. But some of the images from that time frame, and earlier, show very wide shoulder areas with no apparent strap. Makes me wonder if the undergarments do or do not have straps, and if the outer gown sleeves are simply pinned onto an undergarment, like the kirtle top, and are joined to the gown body at the side area, and hangs from the tightly fitted sleeve top? I also see that the gown is piped or bound, as there are definite red lines along the bottom of the jewels, and along the edge of the turned back sleeves near the shoulder. And is it my monitor, or does that red/pink dress have a golden sheen in various areas of the brocade, as if it was an iridescent fabric? I am seeing it at the center front of the body, below the jewel piece, and on the turn back sleeves near the undersleeve. There's even streaks of gold along the edge of the skirt near the front opening. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 22:52:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3qW8i028972 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:52:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3qWYn017199; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:52:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3q9F0046549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:52:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3q7cZ089673; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3pvdo089612 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:52:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7C130D90500; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 03:47:13 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c63c1a$54d85dc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4850360cb422cb722ea9a354c6ac7e6a@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO How about 1300s dresses and surcotes, maybe with some nice embroidery at the neck? Or Greek/Roman chitons for summer wear? My theatre group did "Lysistrada", and wow, were those things sexy! Who'd a thunk it? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My New Wardrobe Ladies, Let's see what every day wear you come up with that is "historically inspired". You will be great motivators to the rest of us. CW bodices could be a good choice, made with a little more "ease" than is historically accurate. The full sleeves would be pretty as well as easy to wear. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 27, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 07:25 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote: >> I'm going to incorporate historic elements into some of my outfits. >> I love the caraco jackets, and have to do something with them! I >> discovered that I like fitted, comfortable clothing that allows a >> full range of movement. >> So while my clothes won't be historic, they will be historically >> inspired. >> Happy fun times with adopting Civil War Era ball gowns to more >> everyday wear! >> >> Kate > > > Hi Kate, > > I am with you. I realized that while I like the look of Victorian > jackets, I don't want to wear one over a corset all the time (it's ok > for an all-Victorian event). So I am going to work on something > inspired by them, with the back peplums and all, and hopefully make > something historically inspired as well. I may even do something > Renaissance inspired, but I'm not sure yet what. I think I will also > add in hand embroidery or trimmings as well, to spice them up. > > And if you figure out how to adapt the CWera gowns to everyday wear, > please let me know. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 22:54:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3sZLL029050 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:54:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3sZjq025014; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3sJLX047080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3sJW0091753; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R74nJj029039 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:04:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5BF236365 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:04:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sizing/quality of clothing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:04:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <01b601c63b67$90014370$6400a8c0@Penny> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403C97B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In my family the problem with the pants is the thigh area. That is where the fat or muscle goes first. If you get pants to fit the waist your thighs have to be poured into the legs. If you get pants that fit the thighs, the waist is to big and you have to belt them tight to stay on and the fabric bulk is uncomfortable. Women born in my family tend to be 5'6" on up. De -----Original Message----- Sandy, I hear you girl! I wear a 14 or 16 depending on the cut. I am 5' 10". I have been buying men's pants and shirts for years. You can dress them up to make them look feminine. Women's pants are too short in length and the sleeves are too short. The other day I heard on a fashion show that 12 is considered a plus size. I think I was born a size 12 in clothing and shoes. Actually I crammed my feet into size 10 until a few years. Now I could find size 12 shoes at places like DSW. Most people look at me and think or ask if I wear a size 0 or 2. I am not round but wide and thin. I weigh the most I have every weighed and people still think I am underweight. My 5 y.o. granddaughter is going to have the same problem. She has my long legs and arms. Tonight I pulled her pants up because they were falling off of her. She said, "Grandma, I can never get pants to work right. They are either too short or too big in the waist." Penny E. Ladnier Owner, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 22:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3tcSr029077 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:55:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3tdKg018762; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:55:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3tQjQ047305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3tPqb092784; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:55:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R9gvE6038511 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:43:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k1R9gkH07415.; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:47 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:46 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:35 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1R9gvE6038511 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:55:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403C9BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> Debloughcostumes@aol.com 26/02/2006 23:44 >>> wrote: [snip] >but it the things that really irritate me (probably in equal measure) is the >assumption that if you get bigger, you somehow magically get taller too; and >the retailers that stop at a size 14UK (or who think that a size 12UK is >'large'). Curiously, I have the opposite grievance: retailers of styles suitable for my age (54) who don't go BELOW a size 12UK (I'm a 10). ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 22:58:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3wMKT029139 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:58:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3wMoB020086; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:58:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3utii047661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:56:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3usw9094155; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:56:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav8.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RDSu44019466 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:28:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:28:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:28:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:28:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 13:28:54.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[C13ECE50:01C63BA1] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:58:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403CA5E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wondered why one wrist had a gold line and a black one. SO you think the sleeves with the band are false sleeves? Do you think they are attached to the funnel sleeves instead of being the chemise sticking out? Why would they do that? I found a magnificent vintage velvet brocade on eBay. It looks very close to the sleeve and front fabric. I got 5.5m of it, too! I can't wait to get it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > This is great! She's wearing a gold bracelet on her left wrist.You can > barely see it. And from the way the wrist opening is painted you can tell > that the white puffs on the false sleeve is not the chemise sleeve. > Most excellent find. Thank you! > De > > -----Original Message----- > Sorry about the late reply. > > You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture by > clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see > details > by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. > > http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=elizabeth&o > bject=404444&row=4&detail=magnify > > Hope this helps. > > Joannah > > ~ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 22:58:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3wkd2029146 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:58:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3wliZ026441; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3rV51046947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3rUVJ091124; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R6AgRU093762 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FDbai20us-0008CZ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01af01c63b64$8bd861a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Olympics Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:58:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403CA77.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1S3wkd2029146 Status: RO If anyone wants to see the Olympic opening and closing ceremonies photos you can find them at: Opening http://www.torino2006.org/ENG/OlympicGames/photogallery/gallery_72_1.html Closing http://www.torino2006.org/ENG/OlympicGames/photogallery/gallery_228_1.html I just love the Alps dresses: http://www.torino2006.org/ENG/OlympicGames/photogallery/gallery_228_20.html Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 22:59:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3xcvk029165 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:59:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S3xcZQ022066; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:59:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3xKhk048147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S3xJUo096463; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RGG7fC058534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k1RGFsF45160 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:15:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 27 Feb 2006 10:15:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:15:53 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:15:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, demystified X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:59:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403CAAA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathy, Thanks so much for posting this! I'm still green with envy but looking forward to when/what you can publish. Let me know if you need a beta reader :). And regarding Myth #4, the blackwork that is purple; check with some of the historic dye folks. It is my understanding that some black dyes used for embroidery silks faded to various shades of purple, which would explain the varigation of color. And if they didn't fade, the iron used for the mordant caused them to rot, sometimes w/ parts of the ground fabric. Thanks again! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 23:02:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S42iR0029242 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:02:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S42iLT022216; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:02:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S40vYL048520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S40vT6098011; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1RJvqRq061372 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:58:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FDoVD-000NsR-6y for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:57:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:56:32 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing References: <23f.79d97ba.31339779@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <23f.79d97ba.31339779@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<3R7N+px$4zdD6H4t4ZqTWGoKpa>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:02:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403CB65.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Do you still have Droopy and Browns in York? The one in Edinburgh closed some years ago - they did the most gorgeous clothes, but clearly for the well-endowed, and I was an A-cup then! I find an assumption that if you get richer, you get taller - I can get skirts and trousers in cheap end high-street shops, but walk into Cruise or Karen Millen and the rails are at shoulder height and the skirts are nearly to the floor! And it's been a long time since skirts were a shape you could just take 6 inches off the bottom. Jean Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote >obviously doens't apply to all, but bravissimo in the UK (bras in cups D and >above) have been doing clothing for a while now, and their suits are a godsend >if you're of ample bosom(!!!), and have the old 'if it fits on the waist it >gapes over the chesr' thing. > >They come in normal sizes, with an extra sizing of curvy and super curvy, >dependant on cup size. I just wish they'd expand the normal sizes they >cover up >a bit (I'm about the top end, and I'm only a UK size 16, (not counting chest!) >so not *that* huge. > >but it the things that really irritate me (probably in equal measure) is the >assumption that if you get bigger, you somehow magically get taller too; and >the retailers that stop at a size 14UK (or who think that a size 12UK is >'large'). > >debs > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 23:08:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S48MBC029397 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:08:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S48MUt024584; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:08:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S47vso049747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S47r9D003638; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:07:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S47dYl003392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:07:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S5of3p032138 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:50:42 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing/quality of clothing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:12:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602272312.22547.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:08:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403CCB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Monday 27 February 2006 2:04 am, otsisto wrote: > In my family the problem with the pants is the thigh area. That is where > the fat or muscle goes first. If you get pants to fit the waist your thighs > have to be poured into the legs. If you get pants that fit the thighs, the > waist is to big and you have to belt them tight to stay on and the fabric > bulk is uncomfortable. Women born in my family tend to be 5'6" on up. I'm 5' 1", and I've always had the same problem with pants until Lands' End changed its sizing. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 23:10:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S4AkFo029463 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:10:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S4AkKZ025458; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:10:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S4A6QR050017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S4A6ts005294; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S4A2hD005198 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2bc.5c8cbaf (15863) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d50 (mblk-d50.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.234]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df74403cd0c1c1; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:09:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:09:48 -0500 Message-Id: <8C80A33F2E33E84-1BB8-229F@mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com> From: annbwass@aol.com References: Received: from 64.45.150.74 by mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.234) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:09:48 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, demystified MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.234 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:10:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403CD46.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I believe logwood, for example, can give a purple color, rather than black. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Kinsey To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:15:41 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear, demystified Kathy, Thanks so much for posting this! I'm still green with envy but looking forward to when/what you can publish. Let me know if you need a beta reader :). And regarding Myth #4, the blackwork that is purple; check with some of the historic dye folks. It is my understanding that some black dyes used for embroidery silks faded to various shades of purple, which would explain the varigation of color. And if they didn't fade, the iron used for the mordant caused them to rot, sometimes w/ parts of the ground fabric. Thanks again! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 27 23:18:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S4INeU029633 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:18:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S4IIte027745; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:18:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S4HkbP050753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:17:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S4HjWp010516; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:17:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S4HgbY010479 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADCB34220636; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:12:59 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sizing/quality of clothing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:17:47 -0800 Message-ID: <002501c63c1d$ee388f00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1S4HgbY010479 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:18:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403CF0A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ditto. When I was in high school I had a 24" waist and 40" hips. Thank goodness I've found Lands End. They have cotton knit, elastic waist pants, in petite and tall, too. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] sizing/quality of clothing In my family the problem with the pants is the thigh area. That is where the fat or muscle goes first. If you get pants to fit the waist your thighs have to be poured into the legs. If you get pants that fit the thighs, the waist is to big and you have to belt them tight to stay on and the fabric bulk is uncomfortable. Women born in my family tend to be 5'6" on up. De -----Original Message----- Sandy, I hear you girl! I wear a 14 or 16 depending on the cut. I am 5' 10". I have been buying men's pants and shirts for years. You can dress them up to make them look feminine. Women's pants are too short in length and the sleeves are too short. The other day I heard on a fashion show that 12 is considered a plus size. I think I was born a size 12 in clothing and shoes. Actually I crammed my feet into size 10 until a few years. Now I could find size 12 shoes at places like DSW. Most people look at me and think or ask if I wear a size 0 or 2. I am not round but wide and thin. I weigh the most I have every weighed and people still think I am underweight. My 5 y.o. granddaughter is going to have the same problem. She has my long legs and arms. Tonight I pulled her pants up because they were falling off of her. She said, "Grandma, I can never get pants to work right. They are either too short or too big in the waist." Penny E. Ladnier Owner, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 00:01:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S51X4e030884 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:01:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S51Xs3008491; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S50dIw055120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S50Yh8042130; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S50UFh042061 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FDwyL-0005g0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:00:29 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060227225158.034e5458@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:13 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200602280400.k1S40adu097734@net.indra.com> References: <200602280400.k1S40adu097734@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: fit of modern clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:01:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4403D92D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And Penny mentioned men's pants, also.... Don't work for me - I have a very long rise, and I hate pants that don't come all the way to the waist. The other problem is that my hips are 1-2 sizes larger than my waist, and my full hip is only about 2-3" below my waist. So, anything without a defined waistband, elastic/drawstring, or gathers/pleats below it, gaps horribly at the waist. My shape: | | _____| |______ | | Fun, huh? Sandy At 10:00 PM 2/27/2006, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:19:49 -0800 >From: Elizabeth Young >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sizing/quality of clothing > >Yeah, me too. 5' 11" and a size 20-24 U.S. (depending) >Info for those in the US: >I have had good luck at Lane Bryant's - their shirts and blouses are >dreadful, but I have two pair of jeans (in a regular length because I >have relatively short legs) that contain some stretch. Their jeans also >come in tall. The waist is lowered on everything, if I recall correctly. >I have also managed to find some well-ade wool dress pants at >Nordstrom's Rack (but it is very very hit or miss). >liz young > >Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > > I own 'one' pair of jeans, and that purchased only recently when I > > found a catalog that had Plus Talls. I buy men's coats and casual > > shirts to get the length. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 02:48:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S7mLM4014339 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:48:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1S7mLpk027027; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:48:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S7joop073209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S7jmWf066131; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1S7jjbU066082 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8316036685 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:45:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:45:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:48:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44040045.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From what I can remember of the portrait as presently I am having problems with getting connected to that site. It seems like the connection is running like molasses. Also I am not quite sure what you are asking. The gold band looks like a bracelet. In the same location you might be able to notice that 1. There isn't enough gathers in the cuff to create the white puffs that you see on the gold sleeve. 2. The spacing between the gold sleeve cuff and the chemise sleeve. I can only assume that the gold sleeve is made of two and a half or three layers. A lining, an outer fabric and the white material that is the poufs in between the two. One woman I knew who made Tudor dresses usually pinned her false sleeves (in this case the gold sleeves) onto her chemise sleeves at the crook of her arm. She had mentioned that there were problems with pinning the fs to the bell sleeves but did not elaborate on what the problem was. Congrats on your fabric find. De -----Original Message----- I wondered why one wrist had a gold line and a black one. SO you think the sleeves with the band are false sleeves? Do you think they are attached to the funnel sleeves instead of being the chemise sticking out? Why would they do that? I found a magnificent vintage velvet brocade on eBay. It looks very close to the sleeve and front fabric. I got 5.5m of it, too! I can't wait to get it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 08:47:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SDlVRu014285 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:47:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SDlVNB012758; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SDjVQA032420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SDjTd0034626; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SDjPuE034498 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:45:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:45:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060226153031.03593be0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:45:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 13:45:21.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[382C7FA0:01C63C6D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:47:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44045473.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From other sources,I've been told there are narrow straps for the chemise and kirtle. The jewels are attached to the kirtle. The bodice is cut a bit larger than the kirtle so it pushes against the edge of the jewels. They stay in place that way. One source said that the sleeves are the chemise. Another said not. One said to attach the undersleeves onto a short sleeved kirtle. I bought some vitnage devore velvet for the golden fabric. It looks very similar to the pattern, even more richly in fact. I found a red velveteen fabric that was already quilted with rings where I can place boning for the hoops. Someone suggested that the princess and Queen probably wore a red under garment, since they could afford it. I found a beautiful irriedescent silk for a lining, and it has enough body to it to give some more shape to the skirt. I bought 6 yards of 100% linen for the chemise (and enough for mine as well) I have some white on white brocade for the corsets. I also have some left over canvas for the body of the corsets. I bought real pearls for some of the decorations. I've hit the second hand stores looking for ol pearl necklaces. So far, I have 4 antique ones that I can use. I found a site that told me how to knot the string of pearls. I have a pattern to use for all the parts. I bought the Arnold books, Simplicity patterns gathered from all over and ordered the Jean M of costuming. I'm washing the fabrics that can be before I start cutting. Some can't be. I'm cutting out a toile today, from a lightweight undbleached muslin. I got 15 yards at $1.00 per yard if I bought the bolt. I did. I have the pinky/orange jacquard fabric, too. The woven pattern is close enough to the portrait. SOOOO... I'm all set to get started. Stuff is all over my wewing area. But won't it look great when my daughter wears it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > >>You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture by >>clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see >>details by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. >> >>http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=elizabeth&object=404444&row=4&detail=magnify >> >>Hope this helps. >> >>Joannah > > > Thanks for sharing that link Joannah. It definitely helped me. > > <<--- "Becky" wrote: > Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are > attached. > There is no strap showing. >> > > You know, I have pondered that very question for some time. I understand > the kirtle being underneath and the jewels perhaps being attached to it. > But some of the images from that time frame, and earlier, show very wide > shoulder areas with no apparent strap. Makes me wonder if the > undergarments do or do not have straps, and if the outer gown sleeves are > simply pinned onto an undergarment, like the kirtle top, and are joined to > the gown body at the side area, and hangs from the tightly fitted sleeve > top? > > I also see that the gown is piped or bound, as there are definite red > lines along the bottom of the jewels, and along the edge of the turned > back sleeves near the shoulder. > > And is it my monitor, or does that red/pink dress have a golden sheen in > various areas of the brocade, as if it was an iridescent fabric? I am > seeing it at the center front of the body, below the jewel piece, and on > the turn back sleeves near the undersleeve. There's even streaks of gold > along the edge of the skirt near the front opening. > > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > http://www.kimiko1.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild > Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires > Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland > (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 10:12:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SFCeTc017491 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:12:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SFCeHV023957; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:12:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SFBOwX069734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SFBIWN008006; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SFBEVC007922 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a25so886607nfc for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:11:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JbplEhISIPRhPXou2IZPgdyxWnzmMUf2wf3Rjjw41L9pqJss/bu8S8+Cl1JybToVBDtKj+flT5KBqX+paIILZFCll5JaBA55PEGcAZJCv6BHcmmX9iqaS0EQc51GEFRu8/Kmf5gL0VSxlD0FExpGkDrQ6xB8av1tK6gIZsCR+dc= Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr118006nfl; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.15.14 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:11:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7164eae90602280711x7e466ce0p63329465c81d6a42@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:11:13 -0500 From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MQoS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:12:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44046868.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1SFCeTc017491 Status: RO If you've read Fraser's biography she mentions that Mary did indeed have a few French servants (besides the poet who hid under her bed and got her into so much trouble before he was then executed) I'm 99% sure a French cook was in the entourage but that it was a man and he had been one of Catherine de Medici's former cooks who had been transferred to Mary's house when she was younger. It probably wouldn't be hard to get the name. Mary of Scotland was *so* French in her ways (although she did speak Scots its said it was with a heavy French accent) she really offended her own people. She wore French clothes, read French books, danced French dances. She sent to France for things she needed and was considered by many a "French woman". She'd lived there since she was 5 so that wasn't unlikely. Bice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 10:17:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SFGtKJ017688 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:16:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SFGuh2026508; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SFC31P069829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NILMSj042842; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:21:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1NIKYu9042123 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25590 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:52:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:52:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 181 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:16:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44046968.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan wrote: > Any Babylon 5 fans here? Anybody remember Garibaldi's "monolog" on > "why thin air?"? (raises hand, looks around, sees Catherine...) --Robin "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1SFfgNi018769 Status: RO > > Mistress Aspasia, do you (or anybody else for that matter) know more > about the painting that this detail is from? I would have to research it and right now my husband is creating a series of internet classes for St. Leo University. I have to sneak in time to even check my email. I know the lady is 16th c. English...I think the Countess of Hardwick. The others I will have to check. I have care of 3 yr old and 6 yr old foster daughters that I have to keep a close eye on, so can't get too distracted when I'm alone with them. I will try. Maybe someone else can find them sooner. Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 11:34:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SGYLNl023121 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:34:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SGYKod002220; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:34:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SGXjlk083594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGXYU6085867; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGXMTs085659 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FE7mp39OU-0005As; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <00f601c63c84$b46d00f0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:33:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mardi Gras X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:34:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44047B8C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1SGYLNl023121 Status: RO YIPPEE!!! Today is Mardi Gras. Pronounced "Marty Graw." The parade are all day and night until midnight. In Rio, Carnival lasts until day break. Several television stations have live feeds of the parades online. If you find more live feed links, let me know. So here are the links: New Orleans CNN: http://www.cnn.com/pipeline/freeday/ Click on watch it now. For the wild ones, watch Bourbon Street. Family viewing, St. Charles Street. On TV CNN is interviewing a lot of people in costumes. My favorite so far is the FEMA trailer trash! TV station WWL live coverage from 10 am- 3 pm Central time zone: http://www.wwltv.com/ live coverage link in yellow just under the 4WWL logo. TV station WVUE live coverage http://www.fox8live.com/ Mobile, Alabama: http://www.wkrg.com/ Click on the image, live coverage image. Family friendly. Carnival photos from Rio Samba parade: http://www.ipanema.com/carnival/samba.htm if you find a live feed online, please let me know. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 11:46:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SGkmQY023541 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:46:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SGkmC3008897; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:46:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SGkBSQ086038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:46:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGj2Xc097228; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGifOF096755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25534 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FE7x4-0003Uf-G7 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:43:55 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c63c86$2757fd80$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060226153031.03593be0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:43:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:46:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44047E78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" > I have some white on white brocade for the corsets. I also have some left > over canvas for the body of the corsets. Sounds like you're making a major effort! So there's one thing you may want to keep in mind... they did NOT wear corsets this early. At this stage, any bust support and figure shaping came from the kirtle! Interlining and stiffening of the kirtle (though not necessarily boning, and in fact probably only rarely) gives a bit of a corsetted look, but there is no evidence of corsets this early; there is, however, mention of the weird new thing a couple of decades later. The [Non-Elizabethan] Tudor Corset Is A Myth! -E House (I'd like to teach a class on this someday, but I have a feeling I'd get rotten vegetables thrown at me in a very period-appropriate sort of way. So maybe a nice web article.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 11:59:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SGxuoe023931 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SGxumW015104; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SGxZWr087913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGxKYq009376; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGxDo5009110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:59:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SGx6vb009753 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:06 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:58:44 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mardi Gras Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:00:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404818C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And for Costume content, don't miss Carnival in Venice..... Kathy http://www.carnivalofvenice.com/video.asp?anno=2006&mainevent=COV2006 >>> penny@costumegallery.com 02/28/06 11:33 AM >>> YIPPEE!!! Today is Mardi Gras. Pronounced "Marty Graw." The parade are all day and night until midnight. In Rio, Carnival lasts until day break. Several television stations have live feeds of the parades online. If you find more live feed links, let me know. So here are the links: New Orleans CNN: http://www.cnn.com/pipeline/freeday/ Click on watch it now. For the wild ones, watch Bourbon Street. Family viewing, St. Charles Street. On TV CNN is interviewing a lot of people in costumes. My favorite so far is the FEMA trailer trash! TV station WWL live coverage from 10 am- 3 pm Central time zone: http://www.wwltv.com/ live coverage link in yellow just under the 4WWL logo. TV station WVUE live coverage http://www.fox8live.com/ Mobile, Alabama: http://www.wkrg.com/ Click on the image, live coverage image. Family friendly. Carnival photos from Rio Samba parade: http://www.ipanema.com/carnival/samba.htm if you find a live feed online, please let me know. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 12:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SHlWl2025299 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:47:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SHlW4b004132; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SHjOos095364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:45:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SHhFh2046596; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SHOe2j030708 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A63637F0AC2; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:19:50 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:24:40 -0800 Message-ID: <002201c63c8b$dbcd8dc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO You can get real fresh water pearls very inexpensively from Fire Mountain or Rio Grande jewelry catalogues. I believe a 16" strand was about $4-$6. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:45 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth >From other sources,I've been told there are narrow straps for the >chemise and kirtle. The jewels are attached to the kirtle. The bodice is cut a bit larger than the kirtle so it pushes against the edge of the jewels. They stay in place that way. One source said that the sleeves are the chemise. Another said not. One said to attach the undersleeves onto a short sleeved kirtle. I bought some vitnage devore velvet for the golden fabric. It looks very similar to the pattern, even more richly in fact. I found a red velveteen fabric that was already quilted with rings where I can place boning for the hoops. Someone suggested that the princess and Queen probably wore a red under garment, since they could afford it. I found a beautiful irriedescent silk for a lining, and it has enough body to it to give some more shape to the skirt. I bought 6 yards of 100% linen for the chemise (and enough for mine as well) I have some white on white brocade for the corsets. I also have some left over canvas for the body of the corsets. I bought real pearls for some of the decorations. I've hit the second hand stores looking for ol pearl necklaces. So far, I have 4 antique ones that I can use. I found a site that told me how to knot the string of pearls. I have a pattern to use for all the parts. I bought the Arnold books, Simplicity patterns gathered from all over and ordered the Jean M of costuming. I'm washing the fabrics that can be before I start cutting. Some can't be. I'm cutting out a toile today, from a lightweight undbleached muslin. I got 15 yards at $1.00 per yard if I bought the bolt. I did. I have the pinky/orange jacquard fabric, too. The woven pattern is close enough to the portrait. SOOOO... I'm all set to get started. Stuff is all over my wewing area. But won't it look great when my daughter wears it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > >>You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture >>by >>clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see >>details by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. >> >>http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=eliza >>beth&object=404444&row=4&detail=magnify >> >>Hope this helps. >> >>Joannah > > > Thanks for sharing that link Joannah. It definitely helped me. > > <<--- "Becky" wrote: > Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are > attached. > There is no strap showing. >> > > You know, I have pondered that very question for some time. I > understand > the kirtle being underneath and the jewels perhaps being attached to it. > But some of the images from that time frame, and earlier, show very wide > shoulder areas with no apparent strap. Makes me wonder if the > undergarments do or do not have straps, and if the outer gown sleeves are > simply pinned onto an undergarment, like the kirtle top, and are joined to > the gown body at the side area, and hangs from the tightly fitted sleeve > top? > > I also see that the gown is piped or bound, as there are definite red > lines along the bottom of the jewels, and along the edge of the turned > back sleeves near the shoulder. > > And is it my monitor, or does that red/pink dress have a golden sheen > in > various areas of the brocade, as if it was an iridescent fabric? I am > seeing it at the center front of the body, below the jewel piece, and on > the turn back sleeves near the undersleeve. There's even streaks of gold > along the edge of the skirt near the front opening. > > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > http://www.kimiko1.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild > Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady > Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or > Margaret Russell) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 13:18:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SIIeAS026365 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:18:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SIIedJ017830; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SIGlwg098871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SIDJLT005738; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SICkSQ005062 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0ECF10120; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:05:32 -0500 Message-ID: <44049295.3050801@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:12:37 -0500 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:18:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44049400.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a question (or several!) for the list about making the 1844 corset from Corsets and Crinolines. I know many people have drafted up her corsets successfully and was wondering if anyone has done this one. I do an interpretation of a woman from 1840 for a school program and have been slowly trying to improve my costume for the past five years. I currently wear a stay made from the Past Patterns 1820s-40s Wedding Stay which fits, but not well since it was made for someone with broader shoulders and a flatter chest. Since this is a transitional period for corsets, I wanted to try to make something different and boned for more support, which I need. I also have very narrow shoulders and the biggest problem with my current stay is that the straps fall off them. The challenge is that I am not a very experienced sewer and, of course, am biting off more than I can chew. Nonetheless, I find the best way for me to learn is simply to try something and so I am crazily willing to give this a try. I have already scaled up the pattern and made two muslins, slowly making changes. I have not boned the muslins, so I know my fittings are not very precise, but right now, I am quite a ways from a properly fitted garment. My biggest concern thus far is knowing whether I even have the original measurements right. Waugh doesn't give any waist, hip or bust measurements (unless I missed them), so how do you know what they are on the original in order to translate them for yourself? Is it all guesswork and trial and error? Without going into specifics of my fitting trials, does anyone have any suggestions or advice? Thanks for any help you can give! -- Anne adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 13:40:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SIeXjq027117 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:40:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SIeYuC027855; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:40:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SIeA1m004099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:40:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SIddra035070; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SIdTpA034819 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FE9kW3Y5J-0005Ge; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: <013101c63c96$45b79d20$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mardi Gras Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:40:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44049922.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Kathy! I love the The Marie and the Historical Parade that starts from S. Pietro di Castello for St. Mark Square video. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 13:55:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SItBPi027575 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:55:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SItCs6002765; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:55:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SIsbEv006766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SIsVEp051099; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SIs17U050604 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.c0.381f6088 (63024) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:53:44 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:53:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:55:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44049C90.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My biggest concern thus far is knowing whether I even have the original measurements right. ******************** Is there not a scale....a little graduated bar that tells you what the scale is...on the page with the pattern? I know there is a prob sometimes with the scale not matching up with 1/4" or 1/8" or whatever represents an inch in the scale. Sometimes it's just under, say, 1/8" or just over 1/8" because the image of the page was resized for printing. So you need to take a piece of paper, put the straight edge up to the scale and make a sorta "measuring stick"...mark what represents inches along a good length of the paper. [If the scale is actually 1/8" or 1/4" = 1"....you can just use a tape measure.] Then use this to just measure the waist and bust or whatever you want to measure, on the small scaled down pattern. If this is the corset I think it is...with curvy seams and bust gussets... you will find that the waist is very small for the bust. I have made this corset twice. In the 1st version I followed the pattern...got a big bust but then ran a cord thru the binding at the top and pulled it up to fit the wearer. This ruches up the top of the corset a bit over the bust but it looks good [especially with some lace at the top.] and works under a gown. The second time I made it, I cut down the pattern pieces and gussets to fit the wearer's measurements. This made for narrow gussets and took a lot of curve out of the front pieces, but also looked very good. Remember the finished corset measurements should be 2" to 3" less than your real measurments. And you should bone the mock ups...even with just some Ridglene zig-zagged to the muslin....before you start changing shapes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 14:22:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SJMdvV028222 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:22:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SJMdp4015343; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:22:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SJHBjJ011409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SJH7KQ075815; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SJH3LK075740 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FEALF2aih-00023X; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <013501c63c9b$92a2ad50$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mardi Gras Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:17:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404A2FF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here are some photos and videos of the Rio de Janeiro Sambodromo is a competition. http://www.tenhon.ca/rio/2005riocarnaval.html#photogallery . There is some nudity in the video but this is part of their celebration. The photos show a lot clearer images of the elaborate costumes and floats. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 15:03:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SK33eL029166 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SK33nr001843; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SK2ZjH020349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SK2X3N028955; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SK2UvS028751 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11AB777E for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0459827 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:22 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:20 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B077BBB77@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset Thread-Index: AcY8mciPDKR2cl9aRuq6lOhuoShYTAAB3Wsw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 20:02:21.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[E28228E0:01C63CA1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1SK2UvS028751 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404AC77.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My suggestion for dealing with Waugh's patterns is to simply scale it up until the pattern waist measurement matches your waist measurement (sans the ~2" spring for lacing). This will generally result in the bust and hips being rather too large, as we have not grown up in corsets (for the 1860s corset I have, it was so large I had to remove one of the hip panels entirely) but once you have the waist you can fit everything else until it works. Just my 2 cents, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 15:03:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SK3seU029182 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SK3ss8001409; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SK3DWo020431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SK39Vq029657; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SK2VVF028787 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7467421D8E for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E112332 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:22 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:20 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B077BBB77@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset Thread-Index: AcY8mciPDKR2cl9aRuq6lOhuoShYTAAB3Wsw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 20:02:21.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[E28228E0:01C63CA1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1SK2VVF028787 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404ACAA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My suggestion for dealing with Waugh's patterns is to simply scale it up until the pattern waist measurement matches your waist measurement (sans the ~2" spring for lacing). This will generally result in the bust and hips being rather too large, as we have not grown up in corsets (for the 1860s corset I have, it was so large I had to remove one of the hip panels entirely) but once you have the waist you can fit everything else until it works. Just my 2 cents, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 15:15:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKFcPM029461 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:15:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKFcv1008203; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:15:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SKAFQR022078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKA9PT037987; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SK9vh5037796 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc66v.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.24.223] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FEAmO-0003gL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:45:04 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [268.1.1/271]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:44:16 -0600 Message-ID: <4404A810.2060302@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:44:16 -0600 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Listing books References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:15:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404AF6A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Martha Kelly wrote: > > Could someone please explain the point of listing one's books? I'm > afraid I don't see the point. Mine are all on shelves in my workroom. > I know what they are, and where they are. Why would I need to list > them? (More time I haven't got anyway!) > > suzi > Two reasons for listing books: > 1. So when people ask you where you got your info, you don't have to type > it all out each time. > 2. So you can keep track of books you've loaned out. I still want to know > who borrowed to my little pink book on making tutus. Are you out there???? > > Martha 3. In case a disaster takes your collection, you can prove to the insurance company you really did own that many books. While I don't have it in a share-able format, I do have a database of all my books and music. If you have lots of "esoteric" stuff (like my large collection of Renaissance dance music) it helps to be able to prove it should it be destroyed. --Charlene -- Most people are more comfortable with old problems than with new solutions. -- Anonymous -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 2/28/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 15:37:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKbRXI030110 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:37:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKbS3P019207; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SKajEL027003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:36:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKabRY068466; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKaWa3068361 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A2A012E0120; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: <4404B447.4090500@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:36:23 -0500 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:37:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404B488.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Is there not a scale....a little graduated bar that tells you what the scale > is...on the page with the pattern? Yes, there is a 6 inch marker. I used an overhead to blow the image up until it matched a ruler and then traced out the pattern, so I guess I am on the right track. Then I marked where the waist and bust seemed to be, measured them and scaled the patterns up to my measurements. > If this is the corset I think it is...with curvy seams and bust gussets... > you will find that the waist is very small for the bust. Yes, that's the one. This may be why the bust seems very large. I think I also may need to shorten the pieces because I am very short-waisted and they seem to be a bit long. I will try boning them first before I make any cuts though. The other part that seems off (though perhaps it is because I haven't boned it) is that the sides (underarms) and back seem to be way lower than the front. My perceptions may be off though because I rarely wear strapless garments. Thanks! Anne -- Anne adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 15:39:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKdiGw030159 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:39:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKdjhF020250; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SKdECF027387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKdAoC071133; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:39:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKd2Oj071013 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:38:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44049295.3050801@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:38:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 20:39:00.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[012BA3C0:01C63CA7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:39:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404B511.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi fellow corset makers, When making a corset for a person I start with a block pattern of that person. A good book is Winifred Aldrich's Metric Pattern Cutting. In it there is a full body block for dressmaking, which you will need to use to go over the hip (the bodice block stops at the waist). Draft the block, then manipulate it. Close the darts, reduce the amount for the desired cinch, and *then* use the period patterns to create the garment. By scaling the pattern up, you will create a garment for a person who was in stays from a very young age, and so has a different body shape than our modern bodies. It will be uncomfortable to wear, because it doesn't fit your individual body shape. By making the block, all the fitting problems are solved when you fit the first block, long before you get to the staymaking stage. You can also use that fitted block to create all your garments, they will fit *you* properly. Well worth the effort, and the $60 for the book. The book covers almost everything you will need for women's clothing, and now there is a men's version! Amazon has them on sale, when you buy them together...I just bought a set for the museum, so I don't have to carry a heavy book bag everywhere I go. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 15:54:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKsSeL030657 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:54:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKsTHq027486; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SKs2pR029548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:54:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKrvFO085780; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKrpko085681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25846 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FEBr2-0008Hk-Pz for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:53:57 -0600 Message-ID: <007001c63ca9$13fe4b90$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B077BBB77@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:53:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404B885.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Or, you might find it easier to scale it to fit your bust & hips, then curve it out a bit at the waist--it's generally a bit less complicated that way, with the benefit of keeping the more accurate lines of the original. This method would work well with this specific corset. After you've enlarged the pattern, measure across the narrowest parts of each pattern piece, and add it up to get the garment's approximate waist measurement. (For that front piece, figure out where the waist is on the piece beside it, then measure across that point on the front piece.) Then, before you even cut out the fitting muslin, figure out the difference between that and a comfortable corsetted waist for your figure and redraw the lines on your pattern to accomodate that difference. For this era, you can just add equal amounts to each seam, though for some other eras you need to add it in only at the sides, or only at the sides and back, or only at the sides and front. However, if you added it unevenly on this corset, you'd mess up the placement of the bones, which might lead to twisted bones and some very uncomfortable experiences. You'll still need to tweak the shapes of the bust gussets a bit, but by curving out the waist gently over the length of the whole seam you will have incidentally increased the rib cage measurement, which will make the corset's cup size smaller automatically. -E House, retired corsetière. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 15:57:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKvdOi030740 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:57:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SKveiY029002; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:57:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SKvQN2029995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKvPmJ089055; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav5.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKvMiB088996 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:57:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:57:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:57:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c63c8b$dbcd8dc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:57:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 20:57:21.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[91A902B0:01C63CA9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:57:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404B944.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, I know. They are on backorder now and not sure when they will get them in. I asked. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > You can get real fresh water pearls very inexpensively from Fire Mountain > or > Rio Grande jewelry catalogues. I believe a 16" strand was about $4-$6. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Becky > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:45 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > >>From other sources,I've been told there are narrow straps for the >>chemise > and kirtle. The jewels are attached to the kirtle. The bodice is cut a bit > larger than the kirtle so it pushes against the edge of the jewels. They > stay in place that way. One source said that the sleeves are the chemise. > Another said not. One said to attach the undersleeves onto a short sleeved > kirtle. > I bought some vitnage devore velvet for the golden fabric. It looks very > similar to the pattern, even more richly in fact. I found a red velveteen > fabric that was already quilted with rings where I can place boning for > the > hoops. Someone suggested that the princess and Queen probably wore a red > under garment, since they could afford it. I found a beautiful > irriedescent > silk for a lining, and it has enough body to it to give some more shape to > the skirt. > I bought 6 yards of 100% linen for the chemise (and enough for mine as > well) > > I have some white on white brocade for the corsets. I also have some left > over canvas for the body of the corsets. > I bought real pearls for some of the decorations. I've hit the second hand > stores looking for ol pearl necklaces. So far, I have 4 antique ones that > I > can use. I found a site that told me how to knot the string of pearls. I > have a pattern to use for all the parts. I bought the Arnold books, > Simplicity patterns gathered from all over and ordered the Jean M of > costuming. > I'm washing the fabrics that can be before I start cutting. Some can't be. > I'm cutting out a toile today, from a lightweight undbleached muslin. I > got > 15 yards at $1.00 per yard if I bought the bolt. I did. > I have the pinky/orange jacquard fabric, too. The woven pattern is close > enough to the portrait. > SOOOO... I'm all set to get started. Stuff is all over my wewing area. But > won't it look great when my daughter wears it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimiko Small" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > > >> >>>You might find this link useful. You can enlarge/decrease the picture >>>by >>>clicking on the + and - symbols, and move around the picture to see >>>details by clicking on the arrows. It's a lovely, clear picture. >>> >>>http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=eliza >>>beth&object=404444&row=4&detail=magnify >>> >>>Hope this helps. >>> >>>Joannah >> >> >> Thanks for sharing that link Joannah. It definitely helped me. >> >> <<--- "Becky" wrote: >> Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are >> attached. >> There is no strap showing. >> >> >> You know, I have pondered that very question for some time. I >> understand >> the kirtle being underneath and the jewels perhaps being attached to it. >> But some of the images from that time frame, and earlier, show very wide >> shoulder areas with no apparent strap. Makes me wonder if the >> undergarments do or do not have straps, and if the outer gown sleeves are >> simply pinned onto an undergarment, like the kirtle top, and are joined >> to > >> the gown body at the side area, and hangs from the tightly fitted sleeve >> top? >> >> I also see that the gown is piped or bound, as there are definite red >> lines along the bottom of the jewels, and along the edge of the turned >> back sleeves near the shoulder. >> >> And is it my monitor, or does that red/pink dress have a golden sheen >> in >> various areas of the brocade, as if it was an iridescent fabric? I am >> seeing it at the center front of the body, below the jewel piece, and on >> the turn back sleeves near the undersleeve. There's even streaks of gold >> along the edge of the skirt near the front opening. >> >> Kimiko >> >> >> Kimiko Small >> http://www.kimiko1.com >> Fresno, CA, USA >> >> "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild >> Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady >> Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or >> Margaret Russell) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 16:38:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SLc8gq032000 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:38:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SLc8Lc017195; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:38:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SLbTvD035664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SLbE9I030473; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:37:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SKuMZL088096 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:56:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060226153031.03593be0@64.87.54.245> <001f01c63c86$2757fd80$e100a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:56:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 20:56:22.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E7E2C20:01C63CA9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:38:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404C2C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wondered about that. I had planned to have the support skirt and the kirtle as one unit. I think I used the wrong word. I didn't mean corset but the upper portion that is body support. I wasn't sure if "bodies" and corset were the same. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought it was too early for a corset and my daughter is so young, she'd hate to wear something too tight. I have a sample (Ninya's site examples) of how the skirt is attached to the kirtle. One less layer that way, too! ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > >> I have some white on white brocade for the corsets. I also have some left >> over canvas for the body of the corsets. > > Sounds like you're making a major effort! So there's one thing you may > want to keep in mind... they did NOT wear corsets this early. At this > stage, any bust support and figure shaping came from the kirtle! > Interlining and stiffening of the kirtle (though not necessarily boning, > and in fact probably only rarely) gives a bit of a corsetted look, but > there is no evidence of corsets this early; there is, however, mention of > the weird new thing a couple of decades later. > > The [Non-Elizabethan] Tudor Corset Is A Myth! > > -E House > (I'd like to teach a class on this someday, but I have a feeling I'd get > rotten vegetables thrown at me in a very period-appropriate sort of way. > So maybe a nice web article.) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 16:49:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SLnkIS032244 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:49:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SLnlnv021568; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:49:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SLgtsr036367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:42:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SLgr21036314; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SLgmrW036158 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 486BF3694B for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:42:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:42:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:49:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404C57B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Please note that silk is a warm fabric. I believe that if you line your garment with silk you may be insulating it. If your area is prone to heat then you may not wish to line in silk. Nor would you wish to have silk next to the body in heat as it tend to cling to the body from the sweat it produces. I do not think that corsets were used in England at this time but I am not 100% sure. If there was a corset, it would have been made of linen or linen and wool. but I think the support is mainly from the kirtle. For gowns where you can not see a chemise, it has been surmised that the person is wearing a smock which is like a slip that is not gathered at the neck but is cut to be just under the kirtle and dress neckline. http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm go to "Under Pinnings" pattern, click on it. Go to "Two styles of smock, w/partlet" click. It is the first smock that I am talking about but not tapered in the sleeves so that you can gather them into a cuff. I believe that this may be a possibility with this dress from indication of the shift/chemise cuff gathering. The gathering is not extensive but indicative of a straight sleeve lightly gathered. As far as I know the kirtle from this period does not have short sleeves but this doesn't mean there wasn't some with short sleeves. Does your source for short sleeve kirtles state where one can find the it? I would be interested. Hope all this makes sense. De Recovering from bronchitis so brain not quite pass first gear. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 17:01:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SM1hjw032687 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:01:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SM1i7v027480; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:01:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SM0Frw038801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SM0DKp054669; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav5.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SM066X054435 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:00:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:59:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:59:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2006 22:00:01.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[52A4DFE0:01C63CB2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:01:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404C848.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It came from someone on the h-costume boards. I will see if I still have the reference. I don't know what a short sleeved kirtle looks like. I have the Margo Anderson patterns, the Arnold books and ordered one by Jean M(? I can't remember the last name right now) It's about costuming. The site where I have seen the pictures of the layers used for this portrait is "Ninya Mikhaila" ninya@ninyamikhaila.com http://www.ninyamikhaila.com Her website has 2 versions of a gown from the portrait. One shows the layers and the other shows how she did the front opening. She also wrote to me when I asked questions. She has been very helpful and easily available when I needed her advice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth > Please note that silk is a warm fabric. I believe that if you line your > garment with silk you may be insulating it. If your area is prone to heat > then you may not wish to line in silk. Nor would you wish to have silk > next > to the body in heat as it tend to cling to the body from the sweat it > produces. > I do not think that corsets were used in England at this time but I am not > 100% sure. > If there was a corset, it would have been made of linen or linen and wool. > but I think the support is mainly from the kirtle. > For gowns where you can not see a chemise, it has been surmised that the > person is wearing a smock which is like a slip that is not gathered at the > neck but is cut to be just under the kirtle and dress neckline. > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > go to "Under Pinnings" pattern, click on it. > Go to "Two styles of smock, w/partlet" click. > It is the first smock that I am talking about but not tapered in the > sleeves > so that you can gather them into a cuff. > I believe that this may be a possibility with this dress from indication > of > the shift/chemise cuff gathering. The gathering is not extensive but > indicative of a straight sleeve lightly gathered. > As far as I know the kirtle from this period does not have short sleeves > but > this doesn't mean there wasn't some with short sleeves. Does your source > for > short sleeve kirtles state where one can find the it? I would be > interested. > Hope all this makes sense. > De > Recovering from bronchitis so brain not quite pass first gear. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 17:41:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SMf5F1001640 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:41:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SMf5J9012538; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SMeblr045483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:40:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SMePcK095730; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SMeL2O095591 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882FF32A79 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:40:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4404D18B.9050301@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:41:15 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth References: <002201c63c8b$dbcd8dc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:41:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404D181.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: > Yes, I know. They are on backorder now and not sure when they will get > them in. I asked. > > >> You can get real fresh water pearls very inexpensively from Fire >> Mountain or >> Rio Grande jewelry catalogues. I believe a 16" strand was about $4-$6. >> I can get them at local bead shops for about the same price. Hancock fabrics is carrying them atm, but the quantity price is not very good. It might be worth your time to call around town before you mail order. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 17:50:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SMo4dj001949 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:50:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SMo54q015962; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SMnOsa046987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SMnKpD003739; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SMnGEK003622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FEDed-0006pt-ST; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:49:15 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:49:15 -0600 Message-ID: <20060228164915.xthrjnrihpcgg4c4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:49:15 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset References: <44049295.3050801@genevahistoricalsociety.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404D39D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting kelly grant : > Hi fellow corset makers, > > When making a corset for a person I start with a block pattern of > that person. A good book is Winifred Aldrich's Metric Pattern > Cutting. In it there is a full body block for dressmaking, which you > will need to use to go over the hip (the bodice block stops at the > waist). I'm not sure what a "block" is. Is that the same thing as a muslin? Susan, the uninformed ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 19:37:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k210bieO004659 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:37:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k210biFJ020223; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k210bKlD070082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k210bDvH004491; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav13.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k210b4NF004369 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:37:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:37:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:37:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44049295.3050801@genevahistoricalsociety.com> <20060228164915.xthrjnrihpcgg4c4@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:37:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2006 00:37:04.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[43337790:01C63CC8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:37:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404ECD9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm not sure what a "block" is. Is that the same thing as a muslin? > > Susan, the uninformed It's also called a sloper, a fitting muslin, if I catch your train of thought, would be the same thing. Basically a fitted basic darted garment that reflects where your body is. Once you have that garment( and the fitted pattern), you can create just about any type of clothing you want, and it will fit you without fussing with every pattern you want to make. You also don't really need to buy comercial patterns, you can work from the design, if you understand how you need to manipulate the basic pattern. Aldrich's books will give you a lot of cutting information so you can reach the period look with very little manipulation. Hope that makes sense, and I haven't offended anyone. I'm just really keen on people not being frustrated with their clothes anymore... Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 19:45:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k210jVO3004883 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:45:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k210jVTb023146; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:45:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k210ibeb071922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k210iYGD011358; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k210iTbZ011198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:44:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FEFS9-00018G-Iy; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:44:29 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:44:29 -0600 Message-ID: <20060228184429.7tg3m98xx6xwww0k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:44:29 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waugh's 1844 Corset References: <44049295.3050801@genevahistoricalsociety.com> <20060228164915.xthrjnrihpcgg4c4@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404EEAB.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting kelly grant : >> I'm not sure what a "block" is. Is that the same thing as a muslin? >> >> Susan, the uninformed > > It's also called a sloper, a fitting muslin, if I catch your train of > thought, would be the same thing. Basically a fitted basic darted > garment that reflects where your body is. Once you have that garment( > and the fitted pattern), you can create just about any type of > clothing you want, and it will fit you without fussing with every > pattern you want to make. You also don't really need to buy > comercial patterns, you can work from the design, if you understand > how you need to manipulate the basic pattern. Aldrich's books will > give you a lot of cutting information so you can reach the period > look with very little manipulation. > > Hope that makes sense, and I haven't offended anyone. I'm just > really keen on people not being frustrated with their clothes > anymore... It does indeed make sense. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 28 20:20:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k211KXuu006182 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:20:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k211KXaB003301; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:20:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k211Jurj076750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k211JsHr040298; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k211Jpfi040247 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n28so12818nfc for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=d09p+GzARw5gM/FcSc44h8GZ+jAq3E/HDRANJvULuh/w4BxUTTkfbNHHWAUq2ZA7iIqD13r+7YEy1nR8fMfzk6nI95ufxlDWV8FH05XWi8rcZ54K7SR13D4QonaV9m9lPmoHKM3IQehEA76+K01iqE2Bbpb69s9qFomA6WvrCKs= Received: by 10.48.49.2 with SMTP id w2mr2426574nfw; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.15.14 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:19:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7164eae90602281719g1dee6c4i56564f40bc995ff2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:19:48 -0500 From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hey all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4404F6E1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k211KXuu006182 Status: RO I sent an email on costuming on MQoS to this list earlier. It was meant to go to another list. Sorry about that. Long week already. 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(was Princess Elizabeth) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:29:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4405232C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:43 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: >Sounds like you're making a major effort! So there's one thing you may >want to keep in mind... they did NOT wear corsets this early. At this >stage, any bust support and figure shaping came from the kirtle! >Interlining and stiffening of the kirtle (though not necessarily boning, >and in fact probably only rarely) gives a bit of a corsetted look, but >there is no evidence of corsets this early; there is, however, mention of >the weird new thing a couple of decades later. > >The [Non-Elizabethan] Tudor Corset Is A Myth! > >-E House >(I'd like to teach a class on this someday, but I have a feeling I'd get >rotten vegetables thrown at me in a very period-appropriate sort of >way. So maybe a nice web article.) While I agree with you, I would love to know the specific documentation you have on this. I am working on an upcoming show and tell lecture for my faire community where I deal with various Ren-faire costuming myths being busted by showing the historical images, if any, or other historical documentation that is available. While this was something I guessed at, it isn't something I've been able to show a "proof" of either way. I would love to be able to do so. Thank you, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume